assassination

[slim hamlet]

frost mage?

[lament warren]

it is funnel

it’s just very bad

[strange python]

Running a sub for funnel when you could have a warlock or a mage or a hunter

[lament warren]

no

fire mage doesn’t have funnel

[slim hamlet]

frost

[strange python]

Frost does

[slim hamlet]

**

[lament warren]

spriest has funnel

[spice surge]

You dont even shuriken storm in dance when you funnel

[lament warren]

that’s not true

that is true

[slim hamlet]

wat

u still ss over 3 targets in sd

[strange python]

For overall damage

[slim hamlet]

yea

[strange python]

If you want to murder one target not really

[slim hamlet]

ofc not

u can say that about every single class with aoe builder

[strange python]

I kind of wonder if boomie funnel is stronger

Gut says probably

[slim hamlet]

wtf funnel does boomie have

[strange python]

Dot shit up for AP

[lament warren]

stars generate ap

[slim hamlet]

oh

didnt even know

fucking birdpeople

[strange python]

And slam starsurge into prio

[slim hamlet]

would also give pulsar faster

[lament warren]

point is

sub funnel niche is dead

so rogue is usually bad

[slim hamlet]

what niche does any rogue spec have?

[lament warren]

historically

sin has st

[slim hamlet]

outlaw has "cleave" I guess

[lament warren]

outlaw has cleave

sub is bad

but sin st is usually not top

[slim hamlet]

sub is aoe*

[lament warren]

and outlaw cleave is usually not specific enough

no

[slim hamlet]

is what is supposed to happen

[lament warren]

sub is bad

[slim hamlet]

Well

No

[spice surge]

Sub has aoe

[dreamy gull]

Subtlety should be burstier I think

[lament warren]

sub is not currently bad

historically sub is bad

that is its niche

nobody plays it because it is bad is sub’s niche

[slim hamlet]

Before I began playing rogue I saw sin as a non-spec, sub as burst and outlaw as sustain

Now I see sub as big aoe, outlaw as cleave and sin as st

even if that aint how it is right now

[lament warren]

either way

rogue is usually not exceptional enough at any niche to play more than one

[dreamy gull]

Were they like

Intentionally trying to concentrate sub power in aoe

That feels weird

[slim hamlet]

i dont think they make decisions like that

I think they always only think about ST

everything else is just extra

[lament warren]

no, they definitely design around niche

including multi target

[slim hamlet]

maybe they design when they made the spec forever ago and with some new stuff

[lament warren]

blizzard considers specs having different niches and strengths good game design

[dreamy gull]

Idk I want subtlety to be like one shotting trash

[slim hamlet]

But balancing is only ST

[lament warren]

they do it now too

[dreamy gull]

That's what is fun

[lament warren]

that’s not true

either

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[lament warren]

they definitely balance things around multi target

[slim hamlet]

This is an opinion i have seen A LOT

not just mine

[lament warren]

destro wasn’t nerfed bc of its insane single target

[slim hamlet]

ofc they do they just nerfed outlaw cleave

What I mean is if a spec sucks ass in m+

[strange python]

Sin has arguably the least ability of any spec to do multi target damage while playing the st build. Given that, I just want sin to be the best spec at shit like terros

[slim hamlet]

But do more ST than any other spec

there is a big chance they nerf the spec

rather than buff it

or no compensation in aoe for st nerf for example

I feel like I wrote that weirdly but hopefully makes sence

[lament warren]

they do that for all outliers

sometimes they do it based on m0s

[slim hamlet]

yea?

[lament warren]

it’s just random

[slim hamlet]

Isnt that my point

[lament warren]

i have no idea what your point is because it doesn’t actually have any connection to whether a spec is strong in st

[slim hamlet]

Sometimes balancing sure feels random

[lament warren]

only whether they’re an outlier at all

[slim hamlet]

My point is, they nerf stuff for ST without thinking about the viability of anything else on the spec

[lament warren]

yeah that is true

[slim hamlet]

for example the nerf to PB

[lament warren]

they do the same for aoe

[slim hamlet]

While it was really good for the amount of points and where it was

they nerfed some cleave/aoe of a spec that has none comparibly

[slim hamlet]

give example

besides aura nerfs

[lament warren]

destro warlock season 3/4 sl

survival hunter as well

both outliers only in multi target scenarios

[slim hamlet]

yea well

[lament warren]

both nerfed

[slim hamlet]

they did compensate

they buffed surv hunter ST after they hard nerfed aoe

idk about destro

[lament warren]

yeah surv got buffed realistically

[slim hamlet]

cant remember

also that shit was such an outlier that it isnt even realistic

I am suprised they just let that happen

[lament warren]

they nerfed shadow priest in bod

[slim hamlet]

2 specs in all dungeons for 2 seasons

good game

[lament warren]

i honestly don’t care enough about balancing to be able to pinpoint nerfs for you

bc as soon as the tier is over i just play whatever is good for next tier

[slim hamlet]

Hopefully that isnt gonna be a thing anymore since they make such frequent tuning now

[lament warren]

but i think you’re correct that they correct for st more

bc it’s a lot easier to nerf st

[brittle burrow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

I can't remember when they actually balanced for dungeons besides maybe the surv+destro stuff in sl

Which was also absurd

[lament warren]

dunno m+ is a minigame let it be

[slim hamlet]

isnt it like infinitely larger than raid now

i know its basically requirement to raid now

But still

[lament warren]

raid is harder and less accessible

so that makes sense

[slim hamlet]

What is there to do besides m+ outside of raid

[lament warren]

no boss should take 300 pulls honestly

[slim hamlet]

I saw a chinese guild having 1300 pulls in all for the raid

before they got CE

I def couldnt do that myself

1300

[lament warren]

yeah

it’s just absurd

raiding is not accessible

[lone mango]

Can raidbots not sim embellishments? Not seeing an option to add them to primal molten shortblade

[dreamy gull]

Is it possible to use the group finder to queue for raids

[strange python]

Yes

[dreamy gull]

Maybe I'll try later

[vale shore]

That is like saying "There was a guy who ran a 3 minute mile, jogging every saturday morning around the neighborhood is just not accessible!"

[balmy condor]

:/

[lament warren]

that is not true

[vale shore]

raiding is VERY accessible

[lament warren]

no it’s not

casuals should probably be able to clear mythic

[balmy condor]

It is though

[lament warren]

imo

[balmy condor]

HUHH

Why?

[spice surge]

They can clear a couple

[vale shore]

should casuals be able to clear M+30s?

[lament warren]

i mean wow is not a hard game

[balmy condor]

There’s 3 whole ass difficulties under mythic

[lament warren]

raiding is dead

[balmy condor]

What are those for

[lament warren]

gear

[vale shore]

for some people, LFR is the super bowl, are they wrong?

[balmy condor]

That’s weird, cause I don’t have any upgrades from heroic

[lament warren]

that’s a take

and someday you won’t have upgrades from mythic

argument kinda weird

[spice surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670758470848610312/1057003203742412800/skate.gif

[magic vine]

"only mythic counts" is sure a take

[balmy condor]

Bro hits em with the “that’s a take” after piping up magma takes directly from the core of the earth

[cursive frost]

Everyone should get a trophy

[balmy condor]

[lament warren]

idk i want the game to not be dead

[balmy condor]

It isn’t?

[vale shore]

then play the damn game!

[storm onyx]

err, thats interesting

[lament warren]

it’s pretty deadge

i do play!!!

[ashen rover]

[spice surge]

By what metric is wow dead

name one

[vale shore]

he cant raid mythic

[lament warren]

?

lol??

[balmy condor]

By the metric that 65 year old Susan from Montana doesn’t have CE apparently

[lament warren]

my guild is on raszageth rn

[vale shore]

your dead guild?

[lament warren]

no

[gray crest]

"just trust me bro"

[balmy condor]

I’m ngl

[lament warren]

i mean you can look at wowprog statistics

[balmy condor]

I’m feeling incredibly baited

This can’t be a real argument

[lament warren]

and see how many guilds are killing bosses

[vale shore]

or you can open up the group finder and look at all the groups building up members

across normal and heroic

or how many LFRs are active at any given moment

[lament warren]

i think 300 pull bosses are stupid

i don’t care about heroic or lfr

[vale shore]

ok, but a LOT more people do

[balmy condor]

Skill issue

[lament warren]

lol

[balmy condor]

Just kill it in less than 300

[storm onyx]

I am coming from a game, where 40 ppl fought a single boss for 1.5 hours...

[lament warren]

if only

[balmy condor]

You said wow isn’t hard

[storm onyx]

Lets argue accessibility

[lament warren]

raszageth is really easy for melee dps

[vale shore]

if your group is taking 300 pulls to down a boss, they should probably drop down in difficulty

[balmy condor]

Why are you pulling 300 times on a dead, easy game

[vale shore]

get out of AH greens and heroic dungeon gear!

[lament warren]

why are imperative evokers not pressing time spiral in p3

questions nobody has the answer to

[spice surge]

Raider.io says that there are about 5000 guilds that have killed atleast one mythic boss, which is atleast 100 000 people. If something has 100 000 players its very far from dead

[balmy condor]

I bet if the casuals in his guild had more accessible raids, the boss would’ve died by now

[lament warren]

true

[vale shore]

if only they didnt have to start on Mythic at the beginning of an expansioN!

[lament warren]

all of the casuals in my guild are vision trials

so theyre all benched

[vale shore]

that will make them pay for a subscription, im sure

[lament warren]

i have no idea what you’re saying

[balmy condor]

We’re clowning on you cause your opinion is garbage

[lament warren]

well

you might be doing that

this other person is responding to the voices in their head i think

[spice spire]

Kurog moment

[balmy condor]

Idk, I had a good laugh

Katarie got some jokes

[lament warren]

ya i don’t mind disagreeing

[balmy condor]

Maybe if the jokes were more accessible, you would get them

[lament warren]

i am autistic, so that is funny

it’s ok people are entitled to their opinions

thd thinks bosses should never ever be nerfed past first kill

[vale shore]

but not all opinions are equal

[storm onyx]

The point is, WoW raiding is very very acessable, with multiple difficultirs, free gear, catchup s

[balmy condor]

Yeah, his opinion is shit too

There are extremes on both sides

[lament warren]

ya i mean it’s whatever

i saw sofo kill too many guilds

[balmy condor]

The game is already built for the masses rather than the high end

[marble hemlock]

you calling me fat?

[balmy condor]

If it weren’t, we wouldn’t see tuning happen based on heroic logs week 1

[gray crest]

It's healthier for a game to be built for the masses

[balmy condor]

The minority of the game is around anything competitive

So idk why it needs to be more accessible

[lament warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

just how i feel

[balmy condor]

Most of the community doesn’t even do any m+ raid or pvp

[magic vine]

i do think they need to go and adjust the "default" build profiles. i've only looked at the one for sub but its dire

[vale shore]

saying a game is not accessible because you are not one of the 40 people participating in the world first mythic race is beyond the pale of ridiculous

[lament warren]

it is weird to clown on me with “he can’t raid mythic” though

that one is funny

[vestal wren]

i am actually curios how many ppl only do casual content

[lament warren]

no but i share my opinions w ppl who are in that race

i don’t think that gives it any credibility

[vale shore]

"I cant get a spot on the US Olympic team, sports is inaccessible"

[lament warren]

you’re inventing arguments

[vale shore]

im using analogy

[lament warren]

you’re being an idiot

move on

[balmy condor]

I think there was some data that scrubbed armory during shadowlands, and out of all level 60 characters, 10% of them got aotc or something crazy low

[vale shore]

good advice, you should take it

[lament warren]

i did

:)

[balmy condor]

Real shit right there

[grim tangle]

aotc is hard for some of us.

[balmy condor]

And that’s fine

That’s why there’s 4 difficulties

[vale shore]

my guild is an AOTC guild

I dont really feel deprived that we dont do mythic

[lament warren]

how much of a lurker are you that a heroic raider knows my guild died

[gray crest]

You can look at achieves on wow head

Like 2% usually get CE

I don't remember for aotc

[vale shore]

you told us your guild died, when you said the game they played is dead

[lament warren]

:HUH:

[vale shore]

in a conversation you were having with me, no lurking required

[vestal wren]

i know normal raiding guilds exist

but i mean people who don't interact with mythic plus, and normal/heroic/mythic raiding

[balmy condor]

Oh

Yeah that’s hard

But there’s for sure a ton

[vestal wren]

10% is more than i expected

[vale shore]

is that across all tiers of AOTC or just Jailer?

[thorn fjord]

Someone mentioned wow not being a difficult game... I think for alot of people it most def is tbh

[vale shore]

its good that they moved the difficulty onto the boss encounters themselves instead of leaving it in the organization level of scheduling and equipping 40 raiders

[vestal wren]

a lot of difficultly in wow comes from finding people who stay motivated

and are on a decent enough level of play

[dreamy gull]

The skill set required is pretty unique

I think

[vestal wren]

you don't need super good players to clear mythic (ofc also depends on mythic tuning)

[thorn fjord]

It is.. most people think wow is just pressing 1-5 on your keyboard

[grim tangle]

can you imagine the lag with 40 raiders, raid can barely handle 20

[thorn fjord]

We were doing heroic with 30 players

and it felt so bad with all the frame drops lol

[vale shore]

back in vanilla, Ragnaros was a test of how well your guild could industrialize its trade skillers to gather materials, craft fire resist gear and equip an entire raid with them. Nowadays a single boss has more mechanics than all of Molten Core

[marble hemlock]

hate to say it but compared to most other MMOs ive dabbled in thus far, wow is a lot easier on the surface, because combat is incredibly simplified with target-locked spellcasting and a fairly high GCD

[balmy condor]

I forget which tier it was

[storm onyx]

I still find it interesting Blizz doesnt let us turn down/tune spell effects based on by whom its cast

[thorn fjord]

Wow is still harder than its main competitor

[marble hemlock]

thats... a weird statement to make

[lament warren]

ffxiv is harder than wow

[thorn fjord]

Nah i disagree

[thorn fjord]

It is but i feel like the reason FF14 is so popular is because its a hell of alot more accessible

In comparison

Classes are pretty cut and dry and easier to play imo

[marble hemlock]

this isnt a popularity contest. its just a fact that basically every MMO these days, and the ones released over the past 10+ years, have opted for any combination of i-frame dodging, smooth combat gameplay with cast-times instead of GCDs and animation cancelling, moving away from the tank/heal/dps triumvirate, and making virtually all skills skillshots instead of targetlocked abilities

[vale shore]

I think anyone with a subscription can get into A raid or A M+ run, maybe not mythic raiding, but all activities the game has to offer are accessible to all players at some level or another

[thorn fjord]

Look how well those skill shot mmo's have done though

But playing devils advocate to myself

[marble hemlock]

please explain to me the correlation of difficulty of gameplay and popularity

[thorn fjord]

Gameplay wasnt really the issue with a game like New World

[marble hemlock]

how are they related, like, at all

[thorn fjord]

People are more turned off by a difficult game

[vale shore]

isnt Elden Ring a dark souls MMO?

[thorn fjord]

than having an option thats more easily accessible

[lament warren]

not an mmo

just an rpg

[vale shore]

oh, but it has dark souls like difficulty

right?

[lament warren]

yes

[marble hemlock]

and yet plenty of games with high skill floor/ceiling gameplay are being played by hundreds of thousands of players?

[ashen warren]

Mmo or not he said people are more turned off by difficult games

[thorn fjord]

Elden ring is a good example... Amazing game right? Was difficult to play but not as bad as some of the other souls game... yet i know a fairly decent amount of people that refused to play it being that its a "souls" game

Too hard etc

[vale shore]

in decades past, the only reason for a game to be hard was to get another quarter out of a player

[marble hemlock]

wow isnt a difficult game to play. its a difficult game to plan and organize and strategize because encounter design is much tighter and more challenging than any of the other MMOs out there. but that doesnt make it a difficult game to play. rotational gameplay is kinda easy, doing it while also dodging bosses with 17 mechanics is the hard part

[vale shore]

and the rewarding part

[thorn fjord]

I think its an easy game to play but a difficult game to master

Which is why we dont see as many people doing Mythic raid content

[vale shore]

like all great games

[brazen zodiac]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[marble hemlock]

but many other MMOs, especially K-MMOs, have incorporated skill-expression into their game to draw in players that enjoy that kind of gameplay more, and theyre very successful

[thorn fjord]

Which games? isnt BDO a target lock type mmo?

Never played it

[broken fractal]

I'm having a hard time figuring this out, if anyone knows more than me. It seems to me like Rupture / Garrote behave like dots and have the pandemic feature where they can extend duration if you're casting them late in their window. Is that also true for Envenom? Is it possible to I "over" Envenom a target if you're not casting towards the end of the previous Envenom?

[lament warren]

lost ark

[marble hemlock]

i dont even know any other MMO that is still using targetlock

dunno if FF14 does

[thorn fjord]

It does

[lament warren]

ffxiv, star wars one

[balmy condor]

Pandemic works on like 95% of things

Including envenom

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, most modern MMOs have moved on to skillshot casting, animation cancels et al to allow for more dynamic gameplay

[magic vine]

i wouldn't describe most lost ark classes as skill shots

[whole mason]

Hi Whispyr, Arterial is weak, right?

[lament warren]

if they can miss are they not skillshots

[broken fractal]

does Envenom behave as a dot? so if I'm in Resounding clarity and could go something like Envenom - global - Envenom again, I'm not getting the full damage/duration possible?

I would just be refreshing too early?

[lament warren]

envenom buff is a bonus

[dreamy gull]

is ilevel 330 good enough to try a raid on normal difficulty

[marble hemlock]

well im using the term loosely due to the lack of a better word for it. ground targeting isnt accurate either, i think most people know what is meant by it and that its not supposed to be taken at the LoL-meaning facevalue

[dreamy gull]

or should i get higher

[thorn fjord]

Maybe... but i feel like most of them have failed... I cant even think of another MMO outside of wow and FF that has the amount of people still actively playing

[lament warren]

you only play around it by ensuring you have it up before you kingsbane

otherwise you just slam envenoms

[teal bloom]

Doubt you'll get into normal raid groups at 330

[balmy condor]

Well envenom is a filler that does instant damage, we don’t really play around the uptime at all, since it’s basically 85-90% already with 0 thought

[broken fractal]

ohhh like the damage happens immediately but it then also applies the buff

[vestal wren]

swtor is the star wars one

[marble hemlock]

thats because youre projecting a weird sense of "popularity" onto games and whether or not they succeeded

[broken fractal]

that damage number is not over the duration

[lament warren]

ty

yes

correct

[thorn fjord]

Didnt they shut those servers down recently?

[slow marsh]

lol no

[broken fractal]

that clears up a lot for me

[balmy condor]

The duration is just the poison application

[lament warren]

the buff is a secondary thing

[vale shore]

The Old Republic is still going, Galaxies is shut down

[slow marsh]

swtor has been hanging by a thread going on for what, 10 years? and is still kicking

[vestal wren]

the game still has a fairly decent playerbase

[kind kiln]

How is the opener supposed to be if you have puzzlebox? the Snd runs out if I channel that shit. Do I channel it before pull or?

[thorn fjord]

@marble hemlock bet we could base it off of sub numbers and active player count

[vestal wren]

it isn't a massive one, but still a decent game

[spice spire]

It’s just like me

[magic vine]

swtor is smaller but steady still i think

[slow marsh]

They are constantly implementing new content and trying new things so it keeps it alive despite its issues

[thorn fjord]

I played that game during its release... was fun for a while

[balmy condor]

why is it taking you like 15 seconds to get to your envenom in your opener

[vestal wren]

wow is basically one of the few rly big mmos, you could argue genshin is a bigger one

[strange trail]

need more gear, much more gear

[balmy condor]

Snd doesn’t drop with a normal opener

[thorn fjord]

true... i forget that games exists

[lament warren]

wow lost ark genshin ffxiv

[thorn fjord]

and you got people like @balmy condor still playing Maple Story

[lament warren]

the 4 titans

[balmy condor]

HELLLLL YEAH

[thorn fjord]

Black Desert is still pretty big too

[lament warren]

maplestory owns

i still play dragonfable

[broken fractal]

Everything is alive until riot drops the giga mmo and its gg

[thorn fjord]

Good friend of mine still plays UO lol

[lament warren]

2030 inc

[strange trail]

maybe

[thorn fjord]

Ziggs main inc

[marble hemlock]

You could. I wouldn't. Mass appeal and success arent synonymous to me, and typically high-quality and mass appeal are exclusive to one another when it comes to gameplay design.

[thorn fjord]

im just salty.. most of my irl friends still rag on me for playing wow... they think its an easy 1,2,3 game and that im just going around killing bots

[lament warren]

they’re right

[slow marsh]

^

[thorn fjord]

I think its alot more intricate than that.... and whenever they have tried playing wow theyre really bad at it and say the game blows lol

[marble hemlock]

Okay cool. They're right, and also, who cares?

[spice spire]

Where’s the lie here

[marble hemlock]

Why does their "approval" of your gaming choices matter?

[thorn fjord]

Theres nuance people!!!!

[spice spire]

I’m firmly in the camp of “let people enjoy things” but also “hating is free”

[slow marsh]

people still play call of duty who cares. why can't gamers game

[thorn fjord]

It doesnt its just annoying sometimes lol

[spice spire]

What can I say

[marble hemlock]

It's like saying you have friends that think that you having a dog is boring, and you're painting it black and white to pretend its a Zebra. It's still a dog, and your friends opinion on what you enjoy still doesn't matter.

[grim tangle]

I'm a cat person

[thorn fjord]

But what if my dog is a bulldog but they keep saying its a beagle

[magic vine]

the secret with like lost ark is that you lock down the ability selection (8) and last i was paying attention generally went with a burst-on-cd build and lined it up with your team

[slow marsh]

is your dog a bulldog or a beagle

[lament warren]

ffxiv is also a line things up game

[spice spire]

Shepherd

[lament warren]

wow is unique in that it’s not

[kind kiln]

Snd runs out like 0.5 secs before I get to Envenom in the opener with puzzlebox :/

[spice spire]

It shouldn’t

[balmy condor]

My dogs a bitch

[lament warren]

wtf

[marble hemlock]

The issue is that instead of accepting and coming to terms with the fact that WoW, at a surface level, is very much a simple game, you're trying to argue that it's super complex. It's not.

[slow marsh]

catboy answer for sure

[spice spire]

That’s rude

[magic vine]

so generally its more "do fight mechanics and everyone has good built in mobility" followed by "everyone bursts in the support's damage amp window", repeat

[thorn fjord]

I guess it comes off as me trying to argue that its complex

[balmy condor]

Yeah that sounds like you’re doing a really weird opener. There’s openers in the #assassination-faq that I would try to follow

[rotund wagon]

Go make a coffee after pressing snd?

[kind kiln]

Following it already

[balmy condor]

Then you shouldn’t have any issues dropping snd

Idk what to tell you

[kind kiln]

This with puzzle after ER

[balmy condor]

Yeah

That’s a 3cp snd

[marble hemlock]

Next time your friends say the game you're playing is boring and simple, just say "so is your face" and then you can keep on getting declined for playing Assa instead of Outlaw with a smile on your face, cuz you really showed him off.

Just like the rest of us.

[teal bloom]

Are you not playing Shrouded suffocation? that would explain it

[slow marsh]

are you not taking ss?

[balmy condor]

You got 8 seconds of opener before the envenom comes in

[digital sigil]

You're not using a single envenom in the first 24 seconds?

[slow marsh]

yeah

[thorn fjord]

Luckily i play OL outside of raid 😛

[marble hemlock]

My condolences.

[spice spire]

Luckily

[kind kiln]

The problem is I don't have SS, just noticed

[vale shore]

assassin has an AOE silence and starting tuesday an AOE enrage dispel that outlaw lacks

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

(you wont use it)

[vale shore]

I do

[spice spire]

• boss damage

Big

[marble hemlock]

too bad no one will ever play AP in its current state

[vale shore]

your silence throws empowered garrote on everthing and the enrage dispel increases its damage by 20%

[slow marsh]

and then you do negative damage for the rest of the fight

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

and do way less dmg on bosses

big

[balmy condor]

I’ll play AP on 5 target fights that last exactly 20 seconds how about that

[royal lantern]

for very very slightly more aoe dmg on 5 out of your 8 IC targets

oh, and its not even 100% guranteed that those 5 targets will be the same guys that got the bleeds in the first place

[vale shore]

obviously this is a M+ build, not a raid build

[royal lantern]

dude

[gusty mirage]

you guys ever wonder what firmware updates printers need?

[royal lantern]

we talk about m+

its dogshit

[balmy condor]

No one’s playing it in m+

[lament warren]

no

[gusty mirage]

like they function properly without the update, what exactly did they update

[marble hemlock]

Do you actually dream about WoW when you sleep?

[balmy condor]

Sometimes yeah

[lament warren]

i do

[spice spire]

AP sauce on exactly council

[lament warren]

it freaks me out

[limpid ermine]

don't talk about printers, working in IT, they are the bane of my existence sometimes

[lament warren]

sometimes i wake up hallucinating about wow

and have a panic attack

[spice spire]

Whispyr dreams of sims

[lament warren]

🥸

[royal lantern]

is that why you did a race change?

[gusty mirage]

I just spent 20 minutes trying to get this stupid fucking printer to update its firmware so it'd stop yelling at me

I feel your pain brother

[marble hemlock]

gotta make sure that the printer tells you youre out of ink once the cartridge is only half full, without up-to-date software it might accidentally use it all before asking you to buy new ones

[slow marsh]

device connectivity ?

new devices new firmware needed maybe

[balmy condor]

I was tired of belf

[vale shore]

this should be in the rogue printer channel

[gusty mirage]

cartridge? you think I'm some peasant?

[limpid ermine]

its actually the worst sometimes 🤣

[slow marsh]

same im gonna change. just not to that

[marble hemlock]

yeah?

[spice spire]

Ur a Tauren mf if I’ve ever seen one

[vale shore]

lightforged draenei ftw

[lament warren]

ur a worgen

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

cap

[spice spire]

I’m actually a female belf

[brazen zodiac]

goblins are cool

[royal lantern]

you just called him Bri*ish

[viscid spear]

True story, I can see from the bushes

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

AKSHUALLY I USE TONER ROLLS TYVM

[spice spire]

That shtick still going huh?

[marble hemlock]

eww

[slow marsh]

i agree gobs are cool but also i feel like certain mogs are super weird on them

[spice spire]

That was my issue with troll

[marble hemlock]

laser printer or bust

[gusty mirage]

oh

[marble hemlock]

never going back

[spice spire]

Which is what my character originally was

[gusty mirage]

the update stopped it from lying to me

it no longer pretends a tray that doesn't exist is out of paper

[lament warren]

me too

i tmog with my toes out

[spice spire]

Pause

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire like irl?

[spice spire]

That’s villain behavior

Oh for sure

I’m the most feminine mf to ever exist

[gusty mirage]

dang can't wait for the wedding

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

okay hear me out

can you have it in like ohio

so I don't have to drive through kentucky

ty

[wary ice]

I can make it to ohio

[spice spire]

LMFAO

Mf wants me to doom my marriage from the start

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

[marble hemlock]

do you have to slay the elden beast before you can get a wedding licence in ohio?

[gusty mirage]

no

you just need to do heroin

[spice spire]

Worse, you have to be in Ohio

[gusty mirage]

hence, the heroin

[marble hemlock]

hence

[gusty mirage]

😉

[strange python]

Those are both awful why would it be in either state

[spice spire]

Because I’m in tennessee

[gusty mirage]

because they're the 2 states directly between us

[spice spire]

Which is the hat trick of

[lament warren]

oxi is the only ten i see

[marble hemlock]

would heroin make a trip to ohio enjoyable?

[spice spire]

That’s true

[gusty mirage]

doubtful

I've been many times

[strange python]

Nashville or Memphis?

[slow marsh]

to heroin or ohio?

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[spice spire]

Nash

[strange python]

Ayyy

[spice spire]

I work down down downtown

[lament warren]

gilf - god i love fheroin

[strange python]

I ate so much fucking food in Nashville holy

Husk was insane

[gusty mirage]

I've never been to nashville

[slow marsh]

i still have never been to nash

[strange python]

Before he sold it

[slow marsh]

jinx

[gusty mirage]

I reckon I wouldn't be welcome there though

[spice spire]

Yeah they really serve it up. Avoid hattie b’s, go to princes

[slow marsh]

na you'd be fine

[strange python]

We also ate at some family style southern house in downtown that I hear was famous

[spice spire]

Nashville, you’re more than fine.
Outside?

[viscid spear]

You're the only Ten I see

[sudden orbit]

Nash isn't backwards, its the rest of the state

[thorn fjord]

or ordering new ink on its own because thats what HP likes to do now lol

[spice spire]

Off of 25th?

[gusty mirage]

as fine as when I got stopped in Georgia for being "suspicious" and got called "BOY" in strong southern drawl about 45 times in 10 minutes?

[marble hemlock]

[spice spire]

There’s a few of them hard to narrow down

[slow marsh]

yeah so that was prolly a trooper in georgia

in which case makes sense

[strange python]

I told a swamp tour conductor in Louisiana I was from LA and living in NY. I feared for my life.

[gusty mirage]

I'm now armed with a legal license, so I'd probably egg them on

[slow marsh]

cuz random spot in the south isn't where you wanna be. but in a city like nash you're fine

[gusty mirage]

and see if I can get a quick payday

we'll play constitutional rights violation jeopardy

[slow marsh]

true you prolly could ezpz

[spice spire]

Honestly, even where I live is fine.
But like, that’s the limit

[strange python]

Having just gotten back from Austin...Nashville is what Austin wishes it was.

[marble hemlock]

psure the taser trumps your legal licence still

[gusty mirage]

taser won't trump the payday I get after getting tased

[slow marsh]

^^

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

unless you get tased in perpetuity

[gusty mirage]

I'll FOIA those body cams so quick

[slow marsh]

just have to wait like 7 years to see the money

[gusty mirage]

they'll make me the state mascot

[strange python]

I'd take a taser to the chest for 600k

[spice spire]

And yet I want out
Too many people, costs going through the roof

[lament warren]

i’d take a taser to the chest for 6 dollars

[gusty mirage]

honestly same

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

$6 is kinda nice

[slow marsh]

i know a place

[gusty mirage]

that's a big mac meal

[strange python]

Fair. But still better than Austin. God that city was awful

[gusty mirage]

or 1 hot and ready

and a soft drink

o fmy choosing

[spice spire]

Brother I ain’t going to the Alabama of the northwest

[strange python]

I've never been so let down by a city as I was by Austin

[slow marsh]

Na bruh its not even like that

[lament warren]

come to chicago

ez

[gusty mirage]

idaho or wyoming?

[lament warren]

we have

[slow marsh]

Boise is like what denver was in the 90s

[gusty mirage]

gotta specify

[spice spire]

Idaho

[gusty mirage]

bro there's like 18 people in idaho

[spice spire]

Miss me with Chiraq

[gusty mirage]

and like 5 million potatoes

[strange python]

Just live in LA and send in your $3600 rent check like I do

[spice spire]

Yeah and two of them are ice and his wife

[lament warren]

it’s not chiraq if you live in the burbs though

[gusty mirage]

south side aint even that bad

don't be a pussy

[spice spire]

Nah I wouldn’t mind the Midwest

[strange python]

🙂

[gusty mirage]

you wouldn't mind it?

mfer you live in the midwest

[lament warren]

midwest owns

[strange python]

Chicago crime rates are lower than red state rural crime rates. That meme gotta die

[lament warren]

very based

[spice spire]

Dog I live in the south or the Midwest, pick a lane 🤨

[slow marsh]

it's the wild west out here rn

[gusty mirage]

nice the small city I grew up in has 78k people in it

[strange python]

Phoenix inc.

[gusty mirage]

proud of you potato farmers

[storm forum]

the potatos are growing sentient and moving to the cities

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[slow marsh]

this is small city

[strange python]

That's a town.

Boston is a small city

[lament warren]

that’s a town

[slow marsh]

it feels like it's busting at the seams

[gusty mirage]

bruh

your state has less than 2 million people in it

[slow marsh]

THat's the point though

everyone is moving here

cuz its small

[lament warren]

2 million is a small city

[gusty mirage]

good

[slow marsh]

but its not small

[strange python]

"everyone"

[sudden orbit]

moved to MN from Chattanooga - no regrets...come north!

[storm forum]

more people than my dps is a small city

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[spice spire]

Chatt is a nice town as well.
Val and I were talking about MN recently

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire when are you coming to visit

[spice spire]

Might be a sign

[balmy condor]

My county has more people than all of iceblades state

[strange python]

25,000 is still not a city

[limpid ermine]

Minnesota gang 🔥

[gusty mirage]

I'll drop you off on the east side

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

you'll survive

[strange python]

Oxi where the fuck do you live

[lament warren]

go live in missouri

[balmy condor]

My bed

[lament warren]

with the cows

[strange python]

Where are all the socal rogues hiding

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather live in ohio

[spice spire]

Missouri is honestly fine

Mississippi it gets sketch

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire when are you and val visiting?

[storm forum]

the sewers probably

[strange python]

How you gonna live somewhere without tacos

[viscid spear]

Come to New Jersey

[spice spire]

Probably 2024. Have to go to Portland this year

[strange python]

Portland's fun

[gusty mirage]

wdym some of the best mexican food in the country is a 10 minute drive from my office

[strange python]

San Diego or doubt

[gusty mirage]

there's even a Honduran woman who turned her kitchen into a restaurant illegally

[viscid spear]

I don't want you to live here, I just get a reference compensation for more victi- I mean potential citizens

[strange python]

If you link me some menu with lettuce in the burritos we about to have words

[gusty mirage]

how bold of you to think mexican town restaurants have online menus

[viscid spear]

They running on the old AoL system

[gusty mirage]

bruh half of them are dead ass houses in the hood

[storm forum]

these end up being are my favorite chinese restaurants

[gusty mirage]

best mexican food I've ever had

[slow marsh]

Portland huh

[strange python]

Unless your tacos look like this I don't want it

[viscid spear]

"**papi, we got mail!*"

[gusty mirage]

so you want your taco to look like a shawarma?

what the actual fuck

[strange python]

Al pastor?

[gusty mirage]

dog

[viscid spear]

That's a weird taco ngl

[storm forum]

thats like the most american taco i can think of

[gusty mirage]

fuckin californians bro

[strange python]

Al pastor is legit the most Mexican taco lmao

[viscid spear]

An american taco is a hot dog

[gusty mirage]

@viscid spear get out

stanky jersey livin ass

[gusty mirage]

WHY DOES NEW JERSEY SMELL LIKE PISS

EXPLAIN YOURSELVES

[slow marsh]

Top 5 bb

[viscid spear]

I have a lot of cats

[gusty mirage]

top 5 at what

you're 29th in education

lmfao

[viscid spear]

Also you're thinking of North Jersey

[gusty mirage]

congrats on being smarter than alabama

[slow marsh]

yeah it's trash

[thorn fjord]

same reason Jacksonville smells like straight shit

[slow marsh]

good thing i didn't go to school here

[gusty mirage]

yo facts

so does gainesville

[slow marsh]

honestly the weird thing

[thorn fjord]

Gville smells like dried keystone lite

[slow marsh]

is that we're 3 in economy

[viscid spear]

DYELville

[strange python]

Everyone knows Boston is for school, New York is for work, California is for everything else

[slow marsh]

but 24 in opportunity

it makes 0 sense to me honestly i

[gusty mirage]

yeah you enjoy your walk in closet for $2700 a month

[strange python]

I got 1200 square feet, blue skies, warm weather, and the best food in the country. Gladly

[gusty mirage]

if you want I'll rent out my garage to you for $1000 a month

probably more spacious

and the ever objective "best food in the country"

[strange python]

It's a fact

[gusty mirage]

is it?

[strange python]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

based on what exactly

Michelin stars?

[strange python]

Factualness.

Michelin stopped coming here because it's too big

[viscid spear]

Jersey is
#1 in education
#4 in health care
#5 in crime prevention
#49 in fiscal stability

[gusty mirage]

weird because everyone who's been to LA says all the food tastes the same

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

unless you're spending a shit ton

[strange python]

Also most 3 stat restaurants are...bad

[slow marsh]

it's true

[strange python]

Le Bernardin, Atelier Crenn, Benu, and Masa were gigantic wastes of money

They definitely only stayed in Hollywood then

[slow marsh]

Portland food game easily 10x better than LA

[gusty mirage]

I'll let the abuela who's been cooking for the last 60 years make me the best mexican food on the planet without the LA price tag

kek

[slow marsh]

true

[strange python]

I can go get 8 tacos for $5 right now lol

[gusty mirage]

nice I can get an entire meal for my family for $8

with sides and all

[slow marsh]

best food i ever had in LA was in Ramona garden's projects at abuelita's place for $4

[strange python]

This some wild "I don't actually know LA" opinions

[gusty mirage]

did I say I know LA?

[slow marsh]

na you're capping frfr

[strange python]

LA is the most diverse city on the planet. To say all the food tastes the same is pretty...odd

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/new-jersey-lad-3910when-someone-says-they-like-new-jersey-mad-rage-gif-17892590

[strange python]

Also wherever you live, most of your food was grown within 200 miles of here and flown to you

[gusty mirage]

"this is the most I don't actually know LA opinion ever!!!1!1"

[viscid spear]

Also why are we having this discussion in Assassination and not OT?

[strange python]

Yes lol

[slow marsh]

this is OT now

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

again

[spice spire]

Moments

[gusty mirage]

where did I state I know LA

I'll wait

I'll tell you what I do know about LA

that the cost of living is significantly higher than it is for me

[strange python]

Get what you pay for

[viscid spear]

Like sand through an hourglass, this is the discussion on Ravenholdt

[slow marsh]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

so whether or not the food costs more, being there costs more

so again

where did I say I know LA

I spoke of other people's experiences that I know and trust who told me that fact

I've never been that far west

nor do I have any inclination to go that far west

[slow marsh]

I lived in LA for a bit

[strange python]

If someone I know visited New York and said Sbarro's was expensive I'd question their judgment about never leaving times sq

[gusty mirage]

I'd be hard pressed to go further west than chicago

I mean that's cool

but that's not what we're talking about is it

[viscid spear]

I saw monster trucks at Arco Arena as a child

[gusty mirage]

best pizza I've ever had was from a hole in the wall pizza place in Manhattan

a pizza the size of a small sedan for $18

[echo heath]

Oooh i have a food hot take

[strange python]

Jersey has better pizza than ny

[spice spire]

Is it about sandwiches

[slow marsh]

But is'nt sbarro's actually expensive compared to $2-4 slice of actually good pizza?

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

@slow marsh yes

[viscid spear]

Man out here living pre-Mississippi Purchase

[echo heath]

The popular hot chicken joints in Nashville arent as good as the off the beaten path ones

[slow marsh]

so my guy just actually talking out of his ass or what lol

[strange python]

No? That was my point?

[spice spire]

Prince’s the OG

[gusty mirage]

you're god damn right

[strange python]

Hot chicken in general is trash

Korean chicken 10x better

[spice spire]

Also brotha Z’s if you get it

[gusty mirage]

I don't get the glamour of california

[echo heath]

Youre trash!

[slow marsh]

you said you'd question someone's judgement if they said sbarro's is expensive

but it is

[gusty mirage]

if its for you, wonderful

[strange python]

Because anyone eating Sbarro's in NY likely never left times square.

[gusty mirage]

I'm glad you enjoy where you live

[strange python]

Which is the equivalent of not leaving Hollywood

[slow marsh]

ic

[strange python]

Context clues brother

[viscid spear]

House special cheesesteaks
Pepperoni, peppers, mushrooms, onions

[slow marsh]

I mean hollywood is actual dumpster so

[gusty mirage]

I ate McD's in new york, does that mean I never left times square?

[slow marsh]

The beach towns are pretty nice imo. and disney

[strange python]

If you left ny and said your experience there was that the burgers were bad because you ate at mcds it would imply that

[gusty mirage]

amusement parks aren't my jam

[slow marsh]

fair

[gusty mirage]

and I can go to better beaches in other countries

[slow marsh]

also

[gusty mirage]

about 5 hours in a plane to get to LAX

[slow marsh]

then yeah no point for you to go to cali then

[gusty mirage]

add another 4

get to europe

and as long as I don't land in the british isles

eat better food

[strange python]

Cap

[gusty mirage]

You don't think Italy has better food than LA?

[slow marsh]

I'm going to Cabo next month and i'm dreading having to go through LAX is how much i hate it now

[gusty mirage]

or France?

[strange python]

No.

[gusty mirage]

have you ever been?

[strange python]

Yes

[random fossil]

lmfao

[gusty mirage]

he's just a big fan of the fusion cuisine in american dining guys

you just don't get it

[slow marsh]

Tbh i would like to know what food places you're eating at in LA to have such strong opinion cuz I have to go there I guess

[random fossil]

in n out

[gusty mirage]

can't wait to try some of LA's latest takes on Korean BBQ Mexican fusion

[random fossil]

[strange python]

European cities are wildly homogenous. You will get great French food in Paris and Italian food in Rome. You won't find remotely passable Indian food or Korean food or Mexican food.

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sad-face-dissapointed-kinkytwt-depressed-gif-20756227

How do we know you're not one of those street cosplayers?

[gusty mirage]

and you won't get great italian food in LA

unlucky

[spice spire]

I mean fusion is good, but there’s beauty in simplicity and fine crafted recipes

[strange python]

I mean

Italy's best chef has two restaurants here

[slow marsh]

LA's best food isn't even in LA from what i've experienced so maybe you're meaning LA = all of southern cali?

[gusty mirage]

fuck you

fusion is how we ended up with chocolate hummus

you sick fucks

[viscid spear]

Live look at oxi every time Rogue changes occur

[spice spire]

I didn’t say all fusion was good. Let me rephrase, not all fusion is good

But fusion cuisine is a good thing

Chocolate hummus is unholy

[strange python]

All food is fusion.

It's just been around longer

[gusty mirage]

we have a place called Bucharest that specializes in Shawarma

explain that one to me

[slow marsh]

I was gonna say the best fusion is Cajun change my mind

[gusty mirage]

I'mma make a Sushi restaurant called Berlin

I've seen the shit yall post on social media

[viscid spear]

Fine, then I'll make a soul food joint called Tiffany's.

[gusty mirage]

all these tiktok food videos

an abomination

[spice spire]

You mean the dog pics?

Bro don’t start on that

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/tattoo-chinese-for-japan-sunglasses-ted-danson-michael-gif-10610062

[strange python]

All time best show

[gusty mirage]

I saw one of them making a "walking taco" with doritos and raw ground beef, BOILED IN THE BAG OF DORITOS

how's that for fusion

[strange python]

That's Texan

[gusty mirage]

you like that fusion?

yummy

[spice spire]

That mf went to prison

[gusty mirage]

boiled beef

YUMMY

[spice spire]

That’s deadass

[strange python]

That's why you stay away from Texans.

[spice spire]

Prison tactics my guy

[random fossil]

im gonna make a restaurant specialising in romanian cuisine called budapest

[gusty mirage]

imma stay away from this entire country soon enough

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Ever had a Mountain Dew and Doritos smoothie?
Tastes like beef ramen

[gray crest]

Who is this man? I need to put him on a federal watch list

[gusty mirage]

actual warcrimes againts food in this country

[strange python]

Hmm

Have you seen Scotland?

[gusty mirage]

and then we have the audacity to laugh at the british for eating beans on toast

smh

[spice spire]

Toad in a hole

[slow marsh]

that's southern for sure and yes it is an abomination

[spice spire]

🤨

[slow marsh]

they also do it with fritos

and chili

[random fossil]

beans on toast lowkey goated

[viscid spear]

I actually do like haggis, honest to God

[strange python]

Hmm

[spice spire]

Ahh the ol chili pie

[gusty mirage]

again

@spice spire when are you and val visiting

[slow marsh]

yeah i love that but i hate when people call it walking taco

[strange python]

Frito pie?

[gusty mirage]

why do I have to ask 3 times?

[spice spire]

.

[gusty mirage]

2024??????

[spice spire]

I already answered

[slow marsh]

get fukd

[gusty mirage]

let's see if I make it out of 2023 first

it aint looking too good for ya bud

[spice spire]

I only have so much time off in a year

[viscid spear]

Quake for President 2024

[strange python]

Lol this motherfucker thinks we aren't gonna have covid23

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I hope covid 23 kills me

[slow marsh]

na china is gonna invade taiwan in 2023 and we're gonna have ww3

[viscid spear]

Screw that, skip right to Covid69

[spice spire]

Also I’ll show you decent southern cooking.
Not the stuff you’re forcing me to watch daily

[gusty mirage]

nah fam

I'm gucci

keep your fuckin gravy obsessed ass down there

[spice spire]

Brother I abhor gravy

[gusty mirage]

speaking of food

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

Oxi prolly refuse to eat southern food but if you blind folded him and had him eat it he'd say it's amazing

It's just the principle

[strange python]

@spice spire have you been to monells

[viscid spear]

I put ketchup on my mashed potatoes

[gusty mirage]

naw

can't eat pork fam

no blind taste tests for me

[slow marsh]

you dont need to

dingus

[gusty mirage]

and the south LOVES their swine

[slow marsh]

chicken hello?

[gusty mirage]

they literally cook shit in pigs fat

wdym

[strange python]

Jewish?

[spice spire]

Germantown or the manor?

[gusty mirage]

dif phlegm but close enough

[strange python]

"can't" instead of don't

[strange python]

The one in the house idk where

[spice spire]

Germantown

[viscid spear]

There's a cop joke to be made here but that's too easy

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s a decent place

[strange python]

I was shit faced but the vibe was very cool

[slow marsh]

You can 1000% eat southern without touching pig

seafood would be a much bigger challenge

[spice spire]

Yeah I am not a very big pig fan. Or fryer

[strange python]

The whole south is Haram

[viscid spear]

Just hit up Louisiana

[strange python]

Louisiana without crawfish is ROUGH

[slow marsh]

I lived in louisiana...

[spice spire]

Monell’s is a good place. Bit overpriced for a meat and three place, but it’s quality and I don’t feel like shit when I eat there

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire how do you feel about raw meat

[viscid spear]

Oh, our condolences

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

yeah i have the shit end of the stick in terms of states

Louisiana, Idaho, LA

[viscid spear]

Buddy I live in New Jersey

[gray crest]

Just add Ohio to that list

[viscid spear]

[strange python]

Nola the only city that impressed me tbh

[slow marsh]

I did live in Maryland but i was a kid

and DC

and then San Antonio is pretty ok

[spice spire]

Sushi is good egen tho it’s often not raw. That’s about where my enjoyment ends

[gusty mirage]

okay

you have to promise me to try this

PROMISE ME

[strange python]

Jersey city is a better place to live than Manhattan and Brooklyn.

[slow marsh]

Nola is high key overrated unless you're going to party or are just there to see the historical stuff for a day

[spice spire]

What is it?

[strange python]

Acme oyster house, drink all day. Best day

[spice spire]

Nola has good food.
And I enjoyed the historic district a bit

Also saints game was lit

[gusty mirage]

lamb tartare essentially

[strange python]

Koobideh?

[spice spire]

I’ll try anything once

[viscid spear]

I live across the bridge from Philly, isn't too bad here but we're fairly close to the Detroit-lite township of Camden

[spice spire]

Outside of like

Living things

[gusty mirage]

buddy

mary's little lamb was baahing that morning

don't you worry