assassination

[drifting cloud]

I dont trust the calendar msgs

[exotic salmon]

why not

[drifting cloud]

because its wow

[balmy condor]

you can't trust tooltip but you trust calendar messages that interns wrote 3 years ago?

[drifting cloud]

I guess we will see if theyre actually still a thing

wasnt there a busted healing trinket in brh and a caster trinket in vault aswell

[exotic salmon]

Yea im pretty sure

druids were all over brh

[ebon notch]

The vault one was busted for enha also

[oak sky]

It might just not be upgradeable now

no more dungeon spam

[distant mist]

I hope its not upgradable that felt so horrible runnin that place

[drifting cloud]

it was only good because of frost shards mostly anways

so doubt it holds up unless it has some even more broken ilvl scaling

because it was already pretty dog in sepulcher

[kind talon]

tirathons betrayal gamers

i hope its upgradable because

pog

fcm and tirathon

W

[distant mist]

Aight im sold

Let it be upgradable

[kind talon]

bro fuck whetstone

i looooooove no mainstat trinket that does damage in st only!!!!

hahhahawhehwehwa

and fcm juicer for sin too no?

[distant mist]

I hate whetstone , give me somethibg else

[kind talon]

exactly

[oak sky]

Griefertorch

And cct

[kind talon]

yeah but

i need an on use to pair with my on use

so then i can have 2 on use

[distant mist]

I still need boon

[kind talon]

boonerma

[oak sky]

Booner

[kind talon]

Agrebooner

[oak sky]

Imgonnaboon

Agreonboned

[kind talon]

Bouttoboon

Dkecaf

[drifting cloud]

what you need is a more stable power grid

[oak sky]

Agreonboned is on vacation for now

The progression is agreonchizus->agreonicy-agreonboned

[distant mist]

I chose the wrong tier to not raid

[kind talon]

ur not raiding?

wtf

[kind talon]

ive had power for ever since it went out the last time

checkmate

[oak sky]

@kind talon i definitely want to be able to do some agreonchizus keys this week

[drifting cloud]

excuse me is agreonicy a MAGE

[distant mist]

Yup its been great wirh frre time but not having the good stuff hurts

[oak sky]

Yeah that was my s3 alt

[drifting cloud]

smh

[kind talon]

so im at work computer trying to sim these trinkets @distant mist

and

im stuck at 147

in queue

perma

[oak sky]

Remembwr when we were doing mage tower

[kind talon]

yes'

[oak sky]

With chronosphere

[kind talon]

yes

[distant mist]

So long ago

[oak sky]

Yeah

A year or more

[distant mist]

Right after the patch was gonn release i quit

Came back for df

[kind talon]

What patch

[distant mist]

Right before 10.2?

[kind talon]

10.2

Spuckher

Worst tier of my life

[distant mist]

Hey i avoided progging

[grim hawk]

what build will be played on 10.0.5 for m+?

[agile geode]

A bit soon

But you can check ptr Sims

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

dtb/ic looks like

[grim hawk]

cool, thanks

[royal lantern]

that still goes to SoD, kelthuzad+sylvanas progress broke something inside me

[kind talon]

sod was comfy for me

frost shards

couldnt die

infinite dps

or whatever

[royal lantern]

HOLD DPS

HOLD

HOLD

[kind talon]

hold

hold

hold

[royal lantern]

HOOOOOOLD

[kind talon]

yeah i progged kt after that

so

[royal lantern]

OK PUSH NOW

[kind talon]

i was fine

holding for 2 mins

[royal lantern]

TO SLOW, WIPE IT

[kind talon]

[royal lantern]

on one hand i can say "i killed KT pre-nerf"

on the other hand "i did KT pre-nerf"

[kind talon]

thats misery

frankly

[oak sky]

We killed kt right after the nerf

Remember @kind talon

[kind talon]

i rememberer

[oak sky]

Then you left

[royal lantern]

best thing: beeing the guy that holds cd for the down phase

[oak sky]

[royal lantern]

so shit parse cus never use your cd

then guild dies, apply to new guild

"why was your KT parse so bad??? you seem incosistant!!!"

[kind talon]

i wish i stayed in nerd rage

frankly

gg

or just stayed with the boys

HINDSIGHT

[oak sky]

Im like

[kind talon]

or whatever

[oak sky]

Not vibing this tier

Tbh

[kind talon]

with guild or

[oak sky]

Yeah

[kind talon]

y

[oak sky]

Idk

[kind talon]

saj

[royal lantern]

drama?

[oak sky]

Not really

[distant mist]

i feel that lol

[strange python]

I can’t even find a guild 😭😭

[narrow inlet]

same

[balmy condor]

have you tried warcraftlogs recruitment?

you can set your available times and desired progression for the guild

and it gives you a giant list of guilds that fit that

can basically apply to like 30 guilds in an hour

it's real good

[strange python]

I have not, thank you

[brazen zodiac]

finger licking good

[balmy condor]

rizzpectfully, I agree

you got that flaring cowl?

cause you inspire me

[brazen zodiac]

2 am gambles are the best, i love logging back over from my alt to my rogue for every venom steep recraft!

3 logins later i finally hit me own 418 based

debating if i should go tailoring next to make my own 418 cloak, or maybe alc

[balmy condor]

boot embellish, cringe!

[brazen zodiac]

i couldnt think of anything else for evoker healer honestly

just looked at the wowhead guide and it said those + alc stone so

with 5 sparks now im not really worried about crafting the wrong item you know, haha

its gonna feel goofy when i get a 421 dagger and not use my spark daggy

what u gonna spend ur spark on tomorrow whisp? :o

[balmy condor]

honestly no clue. I was unironically thinking of crafting a 1 hand for outlaw because assassination cleave is so dogshit right now

but I got talked out of my delusions

so now I got nothing

I already have 418 everything except like tier, cos ring, offhand, and belt

but belt is socketed, so not making a 418 of that

[brazen zodiac]

id just make brez bracers cause why not i guess.

[balmy condor]

offhand is kinda whatever

yeah but my bracers are 418 crit mast

so what, I spend a shit ton of money just for a brez I probably won't use?

need to be an engi to get the failure rate down

or else it fails like 80% of the time

fuck that

[brazen zodiac]

well if ur interested

[magic eagle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[brazen zodiac]

i know a guy who can do it for u for free and can recraft with t2 mats with 42% insp

but yeah i hear you

ive seen em fail plenty of times haha

[balmy condor]

I probably just craft outlaw weapon for memes

[brazen zodiac]

probably yeah

i took my brownies out

now i need to let them cool!

[balmy condor]

and then bring it to raid and do the same damage I do on sin, even though I have like 4k mastery

because outlaw is a dumb spec

[steel ridge]

wdym even tho 4k mastery

[balmy condor]

I got no vers homie

[steel ridge]

Me neither

[balmy condor]

respec outlaw with a fat 4% vers

and like 45% mastery

huge value

[steel ridge]

Ah now i get it

Yeah same issue for me

Kinda getting hints i should play outlaw on kuroh

Even tho i am loaded on assa stats

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean I've been doing good on kurog with sin

[steel ridge]

with no weapon and trinkets

[keen spruce]

I've got 7% vers just from my 2 tier pieces

[balmy condor]

but dunno

I'm staring at stats

and sin is like -25%

and I'm like hmmmmmm

[steel ridge]

yeah overall padding

i don’t understand it either

[balmy condor]

(I have no idea what my stats are I just say numbers)

[marble hemlock]

How much HPS?

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

we're 5 healing monday

[marble hemlock]

Lmao

What genius had that idea

[keen spruce]

hopefully we kill spoody tomorrow

[steel ridge]

Sin should be atleast equal for actual boss damage + big add for my gear

[keen spruce]

I am... not confident

[oak sky]

why did it take so long

[balmy condor]

they looked at damage taken and deaths during earth phase and were like "oh."

[keen spruce]

Also i would like it to be known that i have now aquired another 402 and 405 puzzle box

which I will be feeding to the ducks in Onharan plains

[wintry trout]

How is assassins aoe damage looking with that new shiv talent?

[balmy condor]

cause people dying to standing in things not healer issue, don't stand in things. And now it's oh we're in earth phase and people are ticking out that's a healer issue also the damage is so much higher than we thought it would be so gg

[balmy condor]

you mean the new shiv talent that we don't play?

looking like our aoe damage without the talent right now

[oak sky]

no hpal and would be the 2nd guild to first kill with 4 healers wasnt a clue in

?

like yeah my guild was the first to kill with no boomies in 9.1 but we wouldve for sure progged sylv phase 1 quicker if we had them lmao

[gusty mirage]

@brazen zodiac we're ramping up the lwing rn

[balmy condor]

dunno

[oak sky]

every guild has one boss tho

it happens

[drifting cloud]

no more memes

[glossy tulip]

Yo boys! just hopped back into the game for DF, I was doing pretty solid during Shadowlands, got #1 for my server (M+) and like 30ish overall for sin if I'm not trippin before I stopped a few months before the launch .So far this seems like a whole new class to me and I gotta say I quite enjoy it. I'm making some booboo errors though for sure. BUT, any good pieces I should be trying to aim for? I don't plan on hitting the game as hard as I did

[balmy condor]

cos ring, eranog ring, craft a flaring cowl and a lariat, get the other 4 slots filled with tier pieces

gg

[glossy tulip]

oof. the ring gives me PTSD man. I probably ran that damn dungeon 100+ times during the week it was 1st open to get it D:

[brazen zodiac]

pog

wyd

[gusty mirage]

almost maxed out boots

slinging flaring cowls & the toxic boots

https://tenor.com/view/when-the-money-fast-money-gif-18043142

[brazen zodiac]

dont take the last 5 points

not rly worth

5 skills nice but

its kinda excess cuz u cant guarantee 405 w/ missive + embell or evne just embell anyways so

same with 418

unless u need to be able to use insight on ther but even then most people dont wanna use the insight

send me a pic of ur tree

[brazen zodiac]

it feels so weird getting on an alt and instantly getting 4 392

took me two days to get almost max renown with all 4 reps, so by tuesday ill just 5 405 piece of gear 👍

[gusty mirage]

I gotchu when I wake up

[brazen zodiac]

okie dokie

[gusty mirage]

You’ll see the fuck ups when I send it

[brazen zodiac]

i dont really know what to do with my points anymore other than another 10 points in inspiring then do multicraft shit cuz fuck mail users ig

aint nobody got another 200 knowledge points to do that 402/415 shit

[gusty mirage]

I have like 3 into pants for no reason

Lmfao

[brazen zodiac]

i have about 10 wasted points all together, 5 in chest and boots because the additional 5 skill + being able to use an illustrious really doesnt matter

the extra 5 skill basically just lets u do 405 with missive guaranteed, not even wtih embellishment

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

i also have ridiculous ocd so i cant have 24/21 or like 9

has to be even number

so include an x amount of wasted points for that as well

by the 3rd tier everyone should be able to do literally everything in their specific prof so 👍

man brownies taketoo long to cool

[olive nova]

Is ass rogue ez to learn?

I feel like outlaw makes me energy deficient

[balmy condor]

Assassination is probably just as hard as the other specs now

It’s slower though

So if outlaw is too fast, maybe Assassination is for you

[olive nova]

I just want something to fuel my ooga booga fury warrior brain

And outlaw i cant seem to get my rotation down at all standing like a moron wjth no energy left

[balmy condor]

Well…. I hate to break it to you, that’s outlaw

If you’re running out of energy on outlaw

You’re not gonna like the other specs

Outlaw one of the fastest specs in the game

Maybe smoke some weed and get off the adderall

[brazen zodiac]

what you wanna be sonic for a whole ass raid night? xd

[narrow inlet]

honestly

its not even worth trying for premade groups anymore

half of them are alliance so i apply they DO NOT READ the notes and i cant dm them cause WOW says you can play together you cant talk to them tho

[worn wing]

He's called Roidstack. I imagine someone like Tyler1 or Trainwreckz behind that PC, with some serious roidrage

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[worn wing]

Why not play fury warr then? Or that's your main and you're bored?

[strange python]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[opal zinc]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[torn atlas]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sudden canyon]

any1 have a link to the tree changes?

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/talent-calc/rogue/assassination

the notes are in the pins

[sudden canyon]

ty.

[pseudo hamlet]

I am guessing that DTB+AP will be best for the raiding? Not sure what about M+? DTB+IC or AP+IC?

[balmy condor]

check the spreadsheet

but basically it's just DTB on its own for raid

and DTB+IC in m+

and nothing much else

DTB+AP is a possibility for more cleave keys and raging weeks but that's more of a "people will have to play it" situation

the numbers don't look too good on AP

[magic vine]

unless your sheets out of date that seems.. like a weird assessment to me whispyr

[balmy condor]

I mean

where does it look good

m+?

where you lose 10+% in single target?

for 5% in cleave and aoe?

[magic vine]

like, relatively to the new dtb its worse, but its equal to the current dtb on single target

[balmy condor]

yeah

but the payoff isn't there

[magic vine]

and your dslice is at -.59 which is definitely down to a "what is the weekly modifier" choice

[balmy condor]

every high m+ player I've talked to looked at the numbers and said "not running it"

so

AP right now is considered a raging week take

and that's it

[magic vine]

and your 4-cleave is at nearly +5%

[pseudo hamlet]

Damn, the new talents reshuffle feels really weird to be honest...

[balmy condor]

the loss in single target simply isn't worth the gain you get otherwise

that's how they assess it

I get the dslice numbers look kinda okay

but even then, it's still worse

[magic vine]

yea but its not like "this is a trash option" number

[pseudo hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

sure it's not trash, but you're gonna notice a huge single target hit

you're not going to notice 5% in 4 target

unless you need to clear an enrage on multiple targets

what's the point

[magic vine]

i'll agree that the single target on the M+ build is the weakest point of it

[balmy condor]

is the point playing a new talent just because it's new?

[magic vine]

but if the majority of the instance isn't in single target and the boss isn't the stumbling point its perfectly fine from your numbers

[balmy condor]

yeh, perfectly fine and still worse

like you can play raid builds without exsanguinate

they're fine

but they're still worse

[magic vine]

no exsang is a bigger loss than the ap build lol

[teal bloom]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

the original question was what's best

and I told him that AP isn't the best in any situation

and the high m+ runners aren't considering it either

what's the issue with that

well, I guess I need to be more precise

you play it on council in raid

that's a clear win

but it doesn't sim higher in any realistic situation

so

[magic vine]

yea dunno i've just been seeing it framed the way like, the comparison between frost dk with oblit and bos (where oblits like a "under +15 option"), when the numbers are actually quite close

or like how kb is basically a full 5% behind in everything

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean KB is a problem

[narrow inlet]

i got it

i beat dathea hc with premade groups after 19 tries

[winter raft]

is kb gonna be used in anything after the patch?i assume rasz maybe

[robust dune]

What is AP? sorry i cant find the meaning... :S

[magic vine]

question for you whisp: the ap sim isn't holding exsang to sync with dm, is that not still the better usage option?

actually the dtb sim does the same thing now that i look

[balmy condor]

pretty much

[balmy condor]

think it might be old apl stuff

I'm doing a re-sim of stuff later today I think

should fix all the weirdness

like the stupid openers, etc

won't have much of an effect on the actual balance of the builds, which is why I've sorta blown it off

[magic vine]

yea for sure, just an oddity that had me double taking
also did you look at having it pool 2x shiv for each dm?

[balmy condor]

yes

#1065730164077645916

[magic vine]

neat, it'll be interesting to see where it all shakes down with all the updated apl stuff for each build. i think you're spot on with the relative amounts not changing much (though i think ap should benefit a touch more from the cooldown stacking), but it might put it over the current values for kb+exsang which is not the worst spot

[balmy condor]

yeah, I churned through all the reasonable APL stuff pretty quickly tbh. I don't see much else happening for AP. At the end of the day, shiv is still just a glorified uptime-maintenance-debuff that you essentially slam on cd. Anything hurting the uptime of it without some massive damage window to compensate (kingsbane), just ends up being kinda garbage

[magic vine]

yea the apl that other person posted seemed to just hold for ~5 secs before DM and thats about it, which feels close to the limit

i think if ttb wasn't crap it'd work better lol

[dawn haven]

Is KB build getting worse or better next week with the changes?

Missing out on execute seems rough but idk if the extra energy gen makes up for that from DS

[magic vine]

kb is worse

[grim jay]

olit a under +15 option is a hot take if you need a tank that pulls exactly like you need it for it to be better than breath

[magic vine]

actual numbers probably change a bit since whispyr has even more apl improvements, but they're for every build so the ratio unlikely to drastically change:

[grim jay]

I mean, they atleast ended the "which build do we play this week" questions

[magic vine]

its more that if the tank keeps pulling and mobs don't immediately die then you can roll the breath

but like oblits just not a thing in the raid at all tbqh

[worthy moth]

assassination getting bigger

[subtle tundra]

is it tho

[magic vine]

yes

[grim jay]

we all about those couple hundred dps!

[grim jay]

yeah true. actually a shame since the oblit build is pretty fun

[magic vine]

basically at lower keys you generally don't get tanks doing the big pulls, or they'll have long pauses and stuff. just lots of chances to drop breath

[grim jay]

many people still have a wrong take on it tho

bicepspump actually made a pretty good video on oblit m+

explaining the differences

[magic vine]

yea he kicks ass at it, but its definitely one of those "you found the one guy on the server who kicks ass with X build" situations

[balmy condor]

good meme

[subtle tundra]

i think he means bigger in sadness

[regal needle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sinful oasis]

hey all new to sin, just started picking it up. Whats our follow up after vanish out of opener. See some people triple garotte, garotte/envenom/garotte, whats the standard practice here in raid ST settings

[balmy condor]

if you're vanishing in deathmark and have shrouded suffocation, you should gar->finish->gar

if you don't, you would just gar once and then move on

triple gar is always incorrect unless you have multiple targets

[raven vapor]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[rare jackal]

how come double garrote isnt a thing anymore during the opener without exang

gar - snd - gar - SBS - rupture would feel like the most intuitive thing

i guess it just comes down to "cause math"

[balmy condor]

because all openers that play shrouded, play exsang

it's not exsang that makes double gar a thing

it's shrouded

[rare jackal]

im aware of that

however it seems like, despite having shrouded and no exanguanite you still only use one cast of garrote during the opener

[balmy condor]

no you don't

if you have shrouded, and no exsang

you double garrote

[rare jackal]

welp

guess i unlearned the correct way then lol

[balmy condor]

what gave you the notion that we dont?

[rare jackal]

the FAQ and looking at the opener sequence when simming

[balmy condor]

okay well the FaQ definitely says to double garrote with shrouded

sim is interesting though

cause it definitely should do that

[rare jackal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7tPdUCm3GSPZ8eRJfCj82R

i ran it again to double check

[rare jackal]

i read the part about double garroting, however the opener segment of the FAQ seems a bit unclear

cause my takeaway was that you only double triple garrote if you have exang or if you are in a multi target situation

seeing, as this was reflected in the sim

i thought that was the way to go

[balmy condor]

yeah the sim stuff is weird

I don't remember it changing to an exsang check

oh, I remember

[regal sable]

i always thought the point was to double garrote for max duration going into exsang

im also dumb so

[balmy condor]

its cause double garrote without syncing dm/gar back up actually desyncs vanish from deathmark so hard that they don't overlap

when you aren't running exsang

but that's fucking dumb

so I ignored that

so yeah, you're correct, sims do that

I choose to refuse that reality though

cause desyncing your vanish 15 seconds from your deathmark

is uh

kinda dumb

[balmy condor]

yeh but vanish -> gar during deathmark is 5cp each time

it's just back to this stupid cd sync logic that's plagued sin the entire expansion

where it's not really a gain to sync

because the sim is a scumbag

but any normal human playing will sync

[regal sable]

so ur saying we dont double gar in deathmark with vanish

[balmy condor]

I'm saying we do

[regal sable]

ooooooooooooo ok ook yeah

coolio 👍

[balmy condor]

sims see vanish desync from deathmark and don't care

cause holding deathmark for the next vanish would be like 15 seconds of holding

which ends up being 0.2 deathmark casts less on average or whatever

and it sits there all smug claiming the 0.2 deathmark casts are better than holding a couple seconds

but no one thinks like that

[regal sable]

i simply push buttons on cd and hope for the best

[sinful oasis]

DTB vs KB+EXSANG in ST raid whats ur guys experiences?

[pseudo geyser]

Will assassin be better for M+ with the changes?

[royal lantern]

kb is dead in 2-3 days @sinful oasis

[grim jay]

dunno what exactly you hope to hear

[sinful oasis]

im switching to sin for some raid bosses

wondering which i should go

[grim jay]

kb + exs sims higher for many and has more execute, dtb is easier to play and kb is dead next week

[sinful oasis]

e.g. H raz

I see

ty

[pseudo geyser]

Will sin be any better for M+ with the changes or will it be the same?

[royal lantern]

same

you lose build vairety

but dmg doesnt change

[pseudo geyser]

Oh well that's unfortunate

[royal lantern]

i mean, assa is allready in a good spot for m+

[magic vine]

dmg up slightly

[royal lantern]

its no prot warrior/resto druid/outlaw/sub SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS tier that blows everything out of the water

but assa is good for keys rn

[grim jay]

yeah its fun

I play it on 19s and 20s if I feel like it

doesnt make you feel like you lose out on much and fun always is a win if you dont need to tryhard on something

[thorn crater]

i cant push higher than 59-61k dps on keys dno why

guess i need to use my cds more

[night perch]

Is it ok to ask a noob question?

[royal lantern]

just do it

[tardy basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

we probably see worse questions here daily

[night perch]

So its about rupture in aoe, how many targets realistically should i aim to get rupture on before using envenoms ?

[royal lantern]

m+?

[night perch]

Yea

I just leveled a rogue last week doing 2s and stuff

[royal lantern]

well, 7bleeds is iirc when you start to have endless energy and can just spam endless

but its like, you want to rupture the higher priority targets anyway cus its dmg

[night perch]

I think i got the st down but aoe i cant seem to grasp

[royal lantern]

+in 5-6+target situations its acually better to start spamming CT instead of envenom and only use envenom to keep SnD running

[night perch]

7 ruptures or just bleeds in general?

[royal lantern]

bleeds

but in m+ you play with IC anyway, and IC is a auto bleed spread

[night perch]

Oh ok

[royal lantern]

its like

[night perch]

I was using the recommended builds on wowhead

[royal lantern]

with IC you bleed anything anyway

[night perch]

They dont use that talent

[royal lantern]

when IC is on cd, rupture the high priority guys cus they need the dmg and then start filling with other finishers

[night perch]

Cept on algethar

So just rupture maybe 3 then look to refresh slice and dice or CT?

Is that a good place to start

[royal lantern]

if you are overwhelmed in general, yeha seems like a decent idea

[night perch]

And do i just garrote on cd to any target without it?

[stone gull]

Anyone got a good plater for Assa ?

[grim jay]

https://wago.io/p/Whispyr

[grim jay]

there

[stone gull]

Thanks !

[regal yarrow]

Is there a gameplay altering reason where i would want to track my poisons on enemy? (except amplifying)

[balmy condor]

on a 2 target fight you'd want to tab-mutilate to spread the poison should you not apply it when you refresh bleeds

but otherwise, no

[regal needle]

Does Deathmark work like a "toggle"? What I mean by that is it aplifies rupture and garrote even if it was pre-applied? Or do I need to apply new ones after DM?

[balmy condor]

it applies current bleeds

[marble hemlock]

can we have

100% poison proc chance

and just

balance the numbers to make up for it?

im sick of casting 4 foks and 2 CTs and see half the mobs not have poisons still

[slim hamlet]

Skill issue

Just simply proc it first time

and its 100%

[thorn crater]

nvm i started using cds on cd on large trash packs

got 72k on nokhud 19

guess i gotta slam DM more lol

[slim hamlet]

Actually

What is the point of not having 100% proc

[grim jay]

not using CDs as often as you could/should is a big reason for people having lower dps

no matter the spec or class

actually

[thorn crater]

the thing is i dont really know how long a pull is gonna take

which ngl is kinda inexcusable after having done over 100 keys lol

i dont pay attentino

[blazing skiff]

make the tank give you the mdt route so you know if you need to save or not

[thorn crater]

but on nokhud i have a pretty good idea so i kept using

route doesnt give u timer on each pack

[slim hamlet]

better to press dm and have it die a bit before u get full value than hold it for 1 extra min

but most of the time there is a prio target to just send dm on

[thorn crater]

still not using exsang as much as i should but

guess i need to get used to it

[slim hamlet]

exsang is def quite frustrating to use in m+ sometimes

[faint gull]

So if kb is dead in next reset is the dtb st build the way to go?

Or is there a new build to run

[balmy condor]

yep just dtb

[faint gull]

So the sustain raid damage build from faq

Nice ty

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

not quite

[topaz bluff]

I have love/hate with IC+Pbox and stagger pulling tanks. My biggest complaint. Pugs either make me over hold or wasteful send my cds. I guess I just need more pug experience 😦

[heavy elk]

Does that extra point we gain from Dashing Scoundrel going to 2 points go into Shrouded or zoldyck's 3rd point? I assume shrouded but

[balmy condor]

we already take shrouded

[topaz bluff]

Or I'll silence a caster pull only for the DH to open with aoe stun followed by warrior shockwave, and then mobs start cast spamming, like bruhs...

[heavy elk]

Update your wowhead guide then, that DTB raid build does not take shrouded

[balmy condor]

it do be like that

assassination right now has 6 viable builds

what do you want me to do

suggest all 6 and then have people confused why I'm suggesting so many?

[heavy elk]

not respond with a "we already take shrouded" when clearly at least one viable build, the one presented on the most popular resource, does not

[thorn crater]

no shot you were just that rude for no reason

if u dont like it go touch grass.

ure already in here so go open the assassination faq

imbecile

[royal lantern]

poison procs are kinda w/e until i noticed once that 10sec into the fight only 1 enemy had criplling poions up when the tank wanted to kite

like bruh, what are the odds

[balmy condor]

bro calm down

[faint gull]

The faq doesn't take shrouded either

[heavy elk]

it appears I've struck a nerve, when not even talking to you

[faint gull]

But lol ahleas relax

[thorn crater]

people rude for no reason

u can say the same thing with 10 different ways

[balmy condor]

yeah, including you

[thorn crater]

i know

[faint gull]

So you respond with more rudeness

[grim jay]

someone told you to spend your freetime on updating something that you made in your previous freetime, open for everyone to use for free so that they dont need to spend their own freetime figuring out stuff. go straight to it !

[thorn crater]

maybe then they get it

[royal lantern]

y'all calm down or whisp is gonna do slowmode cus you cant behave

[spice spire]

Nah it’s worse

[balmy condor]

the spreadsheet has all the builds compared

you can compare for yourself there

[royal lantern]

no more whisp feet pics?

[spice spire]

I show up and really remind you what dress is

[balmy condor]

but the point in zold is better

[crude sinew]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

but bis is bis

[spice spire]

(Me existing)

[balmy condor]

and you're not bis

so at the end of the day

you will probably have to sim it

just like you would have to now

[topaz bluff]

I think SBS was simming better for me with poison build before bleeds with 4pc were a thing. I could misremember though 🤔

[balmy condor]

okay well that's definitely on crack because every build takes sbs

that ain't even a "too many options" situation

[topaz bluff]

I was meaning for M+ content, sorry. Over shrouded

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

you're simming a poison dtb

for m+?

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[topaz bluff]

I was for a tyran week to try it, people here were saying it was pretty good (dtb on tyran). The dtb M+, I'm pretty sure SbS was higher than SS. Again could be wrong that was several weeks back when I just had 2pc.

I tried it for a few and went back to KB/IC

[slim hamlet]

U have it in the faq

[balmy condor]

okay

people

if you have actual things

that are wrong with my guides

that's good

but please don't just say words

without actually reading the guides

[slim hamlet]

I like saying words

[balmy condor]

because no I fucking don't

is this a poison dtb?

[slim hamlet]

no

[balmy condor]

okay

so then don't say it is

for fucks sake

[blissful prairie]

you part french today

[balmy condor]

if by french you mean miserable

then yes

[topaz bluff]

Are you talking to me? I didn't say anything about it being in an FAQ if so lol. I only mentioned that SbS simmed higher for me in a 2pc setup awhile back if I recalled correctly when someone asked about why SbS was listed over a shroud or something lol

[balmy condor]

I'm part miserable

[balmy condor]

no I am not

[blissful prairie]

no rest for the wicked

[marble hemlock]

Dw, with 10.0.5 we'll all play the same stuff, no more confusion

[balmy condor]

actually a godsend

god bless

[marble hemlock]

btw how much worse was the supersecretshadowdance AP tech stuff?

[balmy condor]

I looked at it for bout 15 minutes and dance was so horrendous that I lost all motivation to optimize it

[marble hemlock]

maybe it was only horrendous cuz it wasnt optimized

you ever think about that?

does it ever keep you up at night

[steel ridge]

[spice spire]

This man found his new LBE

[topaz bluff]

Warlock equivalent APL confirmed?

[marble hemlock]

is that why you couldnt sleep last night?

[grim jay]

feels more like warrior apl to me brother

[balmy condor]

no, because if it would keep me up at night that the sims aren't optimized, my name would be azortharion and I would have found some morals

[night perch]

anyone know if plater can force targets with your debuffs to the front of the overlaps?

[balmy condor]

don't think so

[night perch]

dang

[balmy condor]

but maybe there's some custom code wizardry

idk

hope you know lua

[night perch]

lol nope

[marble hemlock]

sooo

[grim jay]

you mean the planet in warframe?

[marble hemlock]

no shadowdance AP optimizations coming anytime soon?

for poor little seli

😭

[balmy condor]

correct

I got better things to do than try to find 0.4% gains for a build that's already 10% behind

exercise left to the reader

[marble hemlock]

but what if its 4% gains here and 2% there and suddenly

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-andy-dwyer-omg-shocked-face-meme-gif-25585329

[slim hamlet]

suddenly only 4% worse

[meager granite]

We playing what ifs ?

[marble hemlock]

no

im just being silly

and i want shadowdance to be decent

so i can get more silences in m+

and dont have to swap to night elf

:/

[balmy condor]

if you want wild speculations about sims, trueshot lodge will gladly take you in

[slim hamlet]

So we really are going surv hunter?

[royal lantern]

whispyr with morals

[marble hemlock]

but until NS bugfix, dance side will never be good

[royal lantern]

what about find weakness

[balmy condor]

it won't be good even with NS bugfix

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-know-that-dont-you-have-any-idea-about-it-asking-wanting-to-know-doubtful-gif-15789487

im a believer

[strange python]

It's way too early for people to be bullying whispyr

[marble hemlock]

not in ST ofc

im basically just looking for

[balmy condor]

taking dance means you get to take improved ambush, and dance, and then a bunch of garbage

[dreamy gull]

Shadow dance flat earth build

[marble hemlock]

small enough of a ST loss that the aoe/m+ utility might be worth the trade-off

[dreamy gull]

[balmy condor]

might I suggest arterial precision

[marble hemlock]

its what

8k lower st?

thats not a smol dps loss

for barely more aoe/cleave

[balmy condor]

well its 10k

but fuck you

[marble hemlock]

i thought you found like

2% somewhere

[magic vine]

the aoes strong enough to put it barely behind on the dslice sim, even with it being 10k behind on st

[balmy condor]

the AP stuff I found was between 0.5% and 1.5% depending on target count

[dreamy gull]

I'm always tempted to cut aoe for single target cause I like popping my cooldowns and watching the healthbar melt

[balmy condor]

single target was 0.5%

[marble hemlock]

yeah basically

say dance+AP would be behind by like

3-4k on ST but ~10% better on aoe

that'd be worth it in my book

[balmy condor]

dance + AP

[marble hemlock]

but im guessing

dance+AP is like

15k worse

on ST

[balmy condor]

erm....

it's uh

a little worse

than that

[marble hemlock]

well

assuming theres some optimizations that arent in the APL yet atm

like shiv+dance conditions for AP

with garrote etc.

[balmy condor]

yeah

cope

[marble hemlock]

sbs+AP sync, dance+AP sync etc.

obviously

it aint gonna be

huge but like

it'd shave off a few percent at least

but itd still be awful compared to DTB

[balmy condor]

yeah

at least

[dreamy gull]

There are prob scenarios where wound poison is good for dtb right

[marble hemlock]

no

[dreamy gull]

Oh

[marble hemlock]

theres like

1 boss

where youd play wound, and you can just swap poisons real quick

that'd be 1st boss ruby

[magic vine]

the question is more about how much the aoe gets improved by the apl updates than the st in m+ ap build

[marble hemlock]

and you have enough time to swap poison when she starts the whelp cast, and build 3 stacks

and swap back

[marble hemlock]

not really

we already know that the AoE is superior to dtb in actual M+, because it is right now, and the m+ builds were comparing to stay basically the same

but ye

either way

can enjoy even more prio ig

ill miss KB+execute tho

[balmy condor]

the only hope for dance in single target is getting garrote in execute

[marble hemlock]

ye

[balmy condor]

which is....... a thing

that it could do

[marble hemlock]

i mean it'd basically be

[magic vine]

i think the only hope for dance is getting the fw node changed majorly

[marble hemlock]

(assuming working NS)

some decent NS snapshotted exsang bleeds during execute

with AP syncs

that shouldnt be too terrible

but ye

its still hot garbage imo

FW is fine

i mean, its not but like, its not the issue

tight spenders being useless is more of an issue, imo

when you compare it to like

4% vers/10% builder crit in the other parts of the tree

its just terrible

[dreamy gull]

Fsr mutilate gives me 4 combo points sometimes

Idk how that happens

[balmy condor]

you crit

[dreamy gull]

Can seal fate trigger twice..?

[balmy condor]

mutilate is 2 hits

[marble hemlock]

on abilities that hit twice, sure

[balmy condor]

so yeh

[dreamy gull]

Oh

[marble hemlock]

it can trigger 5 times for full CP on FoK, cause it hits a lot on AoE

[balmy condor]

or on shiv with arterial precision

[marble hemlock]

didnt realz say it doesnt

[balmy condor]

wdym

[marble hemlock]

cuz its not the same as fok?

[balmy condor]

it works exactly like fok

it's 1 shiv, hitting many things

so you get 1cp and seal fate on all of them

[marble hemlock]

i remember smth about it not generating extra CP

[balmy condor]

yeah

[marble hemlock]

but mightve been a fever dream

[balmy condor]

it doesn't generate 1 cp for each shiv

[marble hemlock]

ah yeah

[balmy condor]

but it generates cp from seal fate

[marble hemlock]

that was it

thats still

very weird

imo

[balmy condor]

seli I have good news

dance ap is in fact only 15% behind in single target

[dreamy gull]

Only

[balmy condor]

it's also behind by 9% in dslice, and 5% in cleave

huge!

[chilly viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[astral yoke]

how much is the upcoming poatch gonna effect the assa tree/rotation?

[topaz bluff]

We just play DtB in M+/ST

[severe knoll]

KB or DTB for Sennarth prog, what do you guys prefer and why?

[royal lantern]

dmg same, you play DtB+IC in m+, Kingsbane is dead

[marble hemlock]

ye well, not optimized etc. ofc

stop trying to crush my dreams, youre not my dad

[magic vine]

i don't think you can optimize 9%

(unless its an apl bricking)

[marble hemlock]

i mean the purpose of dance in aoe/cleave would mostly be for chainpulls and shit

to still get stealth ICs

[turbid harbor]

Would help if nightstalker worked

[magic vine]

it'd be better to get your tank to adjust play and gain 9% dmg

[topaz bluff]

The reason I stick to being a nelf.

[marble hemlock]

no, it would not

chain pulling is a massive overall time-gain in basically every dungeon

you do a pull, theres 8 mobs, 2 need regular interrupts, you kill them, you pull the next pack that also needs 2 regular interrupts

just makes way more sense to prio those and chain, than finish up the pull

being able to get IC garrotes off woudl obviously be very nice in that environment

theres this prevalent myth that assa wants regular restealths. it doesnt. it wants proper chainpulls to fully benefit from its high sustained DPS output. problem is most tanks dont do that, and then they chain with 1 mob left at 5% HP, and then you think "wouldve liked to restealth". but thats not what shouldve happened, he just shouldve chained sooner

[topaz bluff]

Chain pull feels kinda limited in M+ with the new dungeons though. If you're a non warrior in Ruby I feel they get blasted by magic damage to some mobs even when kick prio mobs are dead. Nok just have massive gaps between mobs and assholes that won't move and have no aggro table

[marble hemlock]

i mean i.e. in nokhud, entire first boss area you can chain

you kill the small shit, chain the 1 big mob

[copper musk]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[marble hemlock]

same around 3rd boss

you usually do like double pulls and whatever is leftover you chain

but yeah obviously its a bit of a tank issue, if they run out of CDs and cant chain for survivability, then you finish things up. but its not the "ideal" situation for us to have to re-start our ramp instead of sustaining dots over long periods of time

[clever depot]

yo, can someone explain to me very quick, why is assa F tier this week on subcreation in m+?

[marble hemlock]

because, err.... they are clueless?

[clever depot]

so its not dogshit fsr now?
or are they just doing smalles keys?

smaller

[marble hemlock]

idk

youd have to ask the people who make these lists

[glass berry]

isnt subcration tier list based on popupulation?

[marble hemlock]

maybe

putting any rogue spec below A tier is just trolling, all 3 rogue specs are kinda great rn

[subtle tundra]

subcreation is based on logs

[clever depot]

thats why im asking xd

[subtle tundra]

its not a person doing them

its based on the keys played

[marble hemlock]

okay

and no one really gives a fuck about logging their m+ so

there you go

[subtle tundra]

its mostly the chinese players that log their keys to show up on rio

[marble hemlock]

either way, its about popularity and how much its played still

[clever depot]

so, if the affixes are good for pushing, ppl gonna play the best spec and other specs just gonna fall off?

[marble hemlock]

psure they run the client to do that, not warcraftlogs

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/me-explaining-what-its-based-on-old-man-beard-explaining-something-gif-17768495

Embed?

[subtle tundra]

well its still mostly chinese logs

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-gif-21166005

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-no-no-embed-megamind-megamind-meme-gif-25261934

[topaz bluff]

Only issue on non fort weeks I have is in lower keys, the instant pewpew classes burst the packs too quick for me to really show up.

Unless it's a nice PBox CT spam burst window for me as well.

[clever depot]

wtf is pbox

[topaz bluff]

Puzzle box

[clever depot]

aaah

[topaz bluff]

Lower keys+ older content+non-fort dungeons you'll notice it more. HoV is the most notable for me. The pulls I don't have IC up and need to manually spread is very, very noticable lol. Mobs don't live long enough to really "catch up".

[light spear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[fleet imp]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[topaz bluff]

Most people aren't really farming the 20s outside of just getting the weekly vaults in. Most farming is done at 16s for the crafted upgrade tokens at least from our guildies/alts. I imagine that's were most people farm.

[merry raven]

does ass rogue do boss or adds on broodkeeper?

[steel geyser]

Boss

[spare crow]

pugging 18s is an absolute nightmare, people are completely clueless

[slim hamlet]

first at 21-22 do you get people with 5+ braincells in pugs

[topaz bluff]

My favorite tell is not wanting to shroud past the first two pandas in temple. I hate that pull in pugs 😂

[green juniper]

guys which vial are you using for raid

[slim hamlet]

vers

[slim hamlet]

doing adds as sin sounds illegal

[ornate topaz]

guys when do I envenom on single target raid boss? Do I focus to go at 6CP or do I use Envenom for less?

I am doing something very wrong when playing assa...I sim at 70k single target on Patchwerk and on HC Terros I had 55k

I NEED HELP! 😄

I play the DTB single target build with SBS

[green juniper]

I am getting used to KB IC build which excel at ST and AOE somehow.. apparently its getting nerfed

[void perch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

You always finish on 5

[next edge]

Rogue is still a not very-played class I'd say

but might be wrong here

[balmy condor]

Yeah, now we’re gonna play DTB+IC, same thing but one less button

[next edge]

still feels rogue is one of the least played classes overall

[green juniper]

will be waiting for your talent tree ❤️

[balmy condor]

It’s in the spreadsheet like 4 lines up

You can already yoink it

[green juniper]

ah you updated it

[marble hemlock]

sure. its also one of the most played/sought after ones in m+

[vale shore]

There is something to be said about a class that can silence 8 targets, while also removing the enrages from 5 of them

[balmy condor]

Yeh, made a ptr sim page about a week and a half ago

[next edge]

That's true too

but I mean in terms of overall popularity

raid-wise maybe its different

a lot of FOTM m+ers are on Rogue now for sure

[green juniper]

@balmy condor I thought not using echo reprimand would be bad but it works very well rn :/

doing this

[balmy condor]

I mean you can do that I guess

Giving up damage for vial healing doesn’t seem that good to me

Also not taking iron wire

Some interesting decisions there

[vale shore]

yeah you are doing less damage than other rogues, and have less utility

[white orchid]

So Regular DTB bleed build is simming higher than finally getting to play 2 capstones right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[white orchid]

What if my KB build was simming higher than Bleed DTB does that mean my sim will be lower come Tuesday?

[balmy condor]

It’s gonna be about the same

I mean with bleed dtb vs current kb

[white orchid]

Got it boss

Kind of lame lol

[balmy condor]

If you’re playing kb next week you’re a clown obviously

[white orchid]

We finally get double cap and it’s boo boo lol

Yea as much as I want to I won’t lol

[cloud reef]

Well slap my arse and call me the joker 🤡

[sudden canyon]

is cold blood a noob trap? it sounds good on paper but i feel like i crit a decent amount already. In 1 minute how many envenoms am i casting and how many of those crit, and how much does one additional garunteed crit really change the expected value of your envenom dmg.

[vale shore]

using it on envenom is a waste

[sudden canyon]

if you use it on a dot does it snapshot?

[balmy condor]

You use it on CT in aoe and envenom in single target

It’s not bad

It’s just not good

[green juniper]

yep I knew my build(20 days of playing wow) was not the best xd

[cunning nest]

I think shiv should deal nature damage so the new talent at least scales better

[royal lantern]

rn it only sees use for sub in a macro togheter with secret tech

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

but outside of that? ye shit talent that should have not leave alpha

[balmy condor]

Shiv doing nature damage doesn’t really change much

[royal lantern]

makes find weakness slightly MORE ussules for assa

[white orchid]

If shiv also applied a bleed it would lol

[balmy condor]

Seli shitting and crying

[sudden canyon]

cold blood is decent in pvp, it allows for better control of ur dmg in ur burst window. same argument extends to mfd.

[balmy condor]

Yeah but pvp

[spare crow]

^

[royal lantern]

man, would be cool if we could make some pvp only talents for that minigame mode nobody plays

dunno, call them glory talents or something like that

or honor talents

[sudden canyon]

novel, hire this guy

[royal lantern]

just an idea

[sudden canyon]

lol

[vale shore]

I dont know man, I feel like when I have fun in an arena, no one else is

[sudden canyon]

implying blizz can afford 2 balancing teams

[royal lantern]

thats because people that play PvP dont have fun

they gaslight themself into thinking that they enjoy it

[vale shore]

haha which blue poster said that once? "When rogues are having fun in pvp, no one else is."

to justify nerfs to the class

[sweet dawn]

Quick question, why do we KB then shiv rather than shiv then KB, wouldn't the initial hit be buffed by shiv if we do it before?

[vale shore]

KB gets stronger the longer its up

you want to buff the later ticks

[balmy condor]

Opening timings lead to not being able to envenom and shiv before kingsbane without losing uptime in Deathmark, faq talks about that. Out of opener you shiv kingsbane

[gray hazel]

Has there been any word if assassination on wow analyzer would be picked up by anyone?

[balmy condor]

Not to our knowledge

Better question for the Warcraftlogs discord

[gray hazel]

Kk thanks!

Do you know if there any other tools like it we can use?

[spare crow]

Pretty sure whisp's wowhead topic

does a better job

wowanalyzer is bad

[gray hazel]

Mainly just seeing if there is anything i can do for log help while i wait for a CF to take a look at mine

[balmy condor]

God giveth thee two marbles to observe all around thee

[spare crow]

read the topic and compare the rotation advices with how you behave in encounters

[balmy condor]

Learning how to read your own logs is an invaluable skill

Imo

If someone’s applying to a decent mythic/CE guild without being able to read their own logs

Kind of a red flag to me

[tired swallow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gray hazel]

Fair enough, thanks!

[regal crest]

is there an easy way to get bonespike to drop off of a target dummy

[vale shore]

does vanish work?

[regal crest]

Nope, I can even drop combat but its still ripping when I walk back inside

[vale shore]

running far away?

[regal crest]

I flew away from valdrakken lol

[vale shore]

re-logging?

[balmy condor]

Just gotta fly away

If it’s still there, fly farther

[tawny barn]

You just relog,if you stand near aoe dummies there is no logout timer

[languid pier]

Is 44-46k DPS Stable good for a 391.50 ILVL DT? 36% Crit 37% mastery 10% haste?

Im confused on what i could change tbh

[balmy condor]

How much do you sim for

[languid pier]

55 if im not wrong

[balmy condor]

Hm

[oblique jackal]

Tier set ?

[languid pier]

Imma re-do it and post it here if u want

4/5

[balmy condor]

I would sim a training dummy and see if you can get within 5ish%

[oblique jackal]

Ilvl on Weps

[languid pier]

402/392

[oblique jackal]

That’s why

Get 405 weps

[severe knoll]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

How will 405 weapons over 402 weapons

Change that he’s 10k behind his sim?

+200 dps going better daggers

Big

Potent

[languid pier]

im 15k down xD

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oSjNLMTzAAuQ5NucTtMg2F

[balmy condor]

Ye

Do that sim on a dummy

And then go and hit a dummy

And see how close you get

[oblique jackal]

Weapon dmg always helps

Plus crafted 405 will give you crit mastery

[languid pier]

Im actually on raid will try in 30m

But im always around that same spot 44-46-48k