assassination

[night delta]

as in, you feel lighter afterwards

[shrewd night]

This man felt heavier. Like glued to the floor.

[balmy condor]

I remember that day through clips, waking up on the bathroom floor, and eating Hawaiian rolls

[royal lantern]

real

[shrewd night]

On that note, when is next SAYONARA + MAI TAI stream

[night delta]

living life like a cutscene

[royal lantern]

we are npcs anyway

[balmy condor]

We’re 5 healing kurog now I was gonna get hammered on Monday cause we were gonna wipe to earth 75 more times but now we might actually kill

[night delta]

true that

[balmy condor]

[shrewd night]

Imagine that

Tell Omni that the bribe to let us catch up was a nice feature

Lets do the same on Diurna

[slim hamlet]

u got one guyd

[royal lantern]

why did you 4heal him in the first Place

[balmy condor]

Dude never came back to give me wisdom man

[balmy condor]

Uh, healer was on vacation apparently and a bad call was made

[tall atlas]

I have sennarth tomorrow

Monday sorry. Think it’s gonna be an outlaw situation

Which idm

[shrewd night]

Man, Ill be happy as long as I never have to do council again

Melee brain lightning circles

[balmy condor]

Council fun :(

[burnt latch]

The smaller the balls, the easier they fit in your mouth. -Unknown

[slim hamlet]

we doing sennarth monday too 🙂

[balmy condor]

That is good wisdom

[royal lantern]

VENGEFULL RETREAT FELRUSH CHARGE HEROIC LEAP

🙂

[night delta]

Half the time I literally just cloak to escape the fucking hassle

[burnt latch]

Thank u sir

[shrewd night]

Funny

you make it sound like you wont get it back the moment you get back into range

[slim hamlet]

Our guild finally figured it out

[night delta]

I also fuck off with my long arms

[slim hamlet]

we stand afk as melee and ranged kill the boss

[night delta]

usually no one goes and get me there

[balmy condor]

I can now sleep easy, thinking about balls

[royal lantern]

bench all dh and warriors?

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

think it was a dk problem we had going

dont ask me how

[night delta]

blessed be the rogue noodle arms

[burnt latch]

Thats how i get the best sleep too

[night delta]

saves so much trouble everywhere

[tall atlas]

Do you play sin on council

[burnt latch]

[balmy condor]

I Play sin on Everything

Cause I’m built different

[slim hamlet]

Thought Whispyr was outlaw main?

[royal lantern]

based and assa pilled

[shrewd night]

Even on the bench, whisp built diffy

[burnt latch]

Built diffy son

[balmy condor]

I’m an assa otp

Until I play sub for 1 patch

Then I’m a sub otp

And then I play it for 2 patches

And then it’s like I’ve never played assa in my life

[magic vine]

dk spreading circles to juice out more free rp from shields 🙂

[tall atlas]

Do you never play Outlaw

[balmy condor]

Correct

[night delta]

UNWORTHY, why is a sub main making the sin guide kappa

[tall atlas]

Damn

[jade abyss]

True believer

[balmy condor]

Real shit

Delete the guides

Boycott them

(It’s fine I don’t get paid by ad revenue it’s invoiced for work done I already made my money)

[tall atlas]

118k dps on mythic council

You crazy fuck

[balmy condor]

I’ve been benched on council for 3 weeks

If they put me in I’ll slam like 135

[royal lantern]

1-3-5 is a weird keybind for fok/ct/ic

[balmy condor]

Indeed it is

[thorn crater]

wait what

[balmy condor]

Who plays like that

[thorn crater]

council is actually insane dps fight

for sin somehow

[bright stag]

What's easier to play at the moment, sin or sub?

[balmy condor]

Sub

[thorn crater]

i wanna run the council build on hov once and pull all 4 kings

wait how is sub easier

[steel ridge]

always going sub for council cause i cannot be bothered

[bright stag]

I want a reason to come back to Sin but I'm not seeing it lately

[thorn crater]

oh tahts right i forgot

im the only one braindead in here

[shrewd night]

two button two button two button ALKJSHFDIUGEIUBEGH SEC TECH two button two button two button

[thorn crater]

well i cant do that 2 button thing for some god forsaken reason

[balmy condor]

Sub is generate spend CDs on cd, not really anything to manage outside of that

[thorn crater]

at least not correctly

[balmy condor]

I feel like that’s supposed to come before like some big reveal

Because it’s changing

But I’m struggling to find the continuation

[vestal wren]

what rotation is that?

aoe?

i mean, aoe is like

press ic

then spamm ct

for assassination

[shrewd night]

Ok

Who asked?

[solid vault]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

i asked you what rotation you are describing?

[thorn crater]

acsshually u need to press garrote and rupture as well

[storm forum]

I would like to defend my FoK on 1, IC on 5 brothers

[vestal wren]

i just think it is funny to complain about the aoe rotation on sub

[lusty surge]

Mut on 1 for single target

[vestal wren]

when it is very similar to assassination

[lusty surge]

Fok on 3

The only correct keybinds

[bright stag]

I feel like my AoE buttons are in the wrong place listening to you guys haha

[storm forum]

As long as it's reachable and comfortable

And you're not going to accidentally press it on st

[bright stag]

Probably something I can fix considering how spam it is

[storm forum]

Thinking about this again, and ur right except assa cries when/if the DoTs fall

[next edge]

If you want to do 0 dps compared to what you could do, sure

[vestal wren]

subtlety in a sense has more depth

as you keep using shadow strike on 4 tagrtes

you also need to position correctly for rupture spread

[storm forum]

Oh is replicating rupture based on proximity?

[next edge]

Yes

[vestal wren]

and given that rupture does more damage on sub, you cry if it falls off too

[next edge]

Not smart

[steel ridge]

isnt that fixed come next reset?

[bright stag]

Can't just spam it sadly

[vestal wren]

as much as i like the meme of "2 buttons and cds on cd"

[next edge]

Unless koffing was memeing

[vestal wren]

it is a bit dishonest

[next edge]

A bit more than "a bit" tbh

[shrewd night]

Totally not memeing. Absolutely serious. Yep.

[storm forum]

When I played sub a bit in sl*, definitely felt like reality

[bright stag]

I wish to hear more about ABCDEFUTF SEC TEC

[vestal wren]

haha^^

[next edge]

You can't tell these days

[magic vine]

"at some point" is the projection

[steel ridge]

sad

[bright stag]

is that the same as nightstalker?

have they fixed that yet

[storm forum]

Fixed next expac let's go

[magic vine]

nah they know about nightstalker, but expect that fixing that will be a big enough increase that they'd need to nerf something, afaik

[bright stag]

boo

[vestal wren]

Shadowlands, when rupture on assassiantion did more damage than on subtlety

[storm forum]

Wasn't rupture on sub like, a different shadow dot? Or was that legion?

[maiden ginkgo]

yes

[vestal wren]

the dance side did sim worse than the others even with NS bugged to 50%

[magic vine]

they should make the ap node just flat buff bleeds in addition to the on-use with shiv, like how warriors get with their talent

[vestal wren]

idk how to revive it without changing talents (or replacing them with new ones?)

[magic vine]

probably change fw node

[storm forum]

Hostile take over of blizz

[steel ridge]

Sub didnt have rupture in bfa

[steel ridge]

The entire side must be purged

[storm forum]

Yeah but didn't have a shadow ability that applied a DoT?

[steel ridge]

Nightblade

[vestal wren]

funny thing is

you would have spreads nightblade to all enemies

in bfa

same in legion

[steel ridge]

Garbo gameplay

[vestal wren]

the only xpac you did drop rupture/nightblade of the recent ones was SL

[storm forum]

When did assa get CT?

Cause I'm sure we were the same until then

[vestal wren]

CT was on the talent tree

[storm forum]

No AoE finisher baseline

[royal lantern]

@vestal wren assa and sub should stop fighting over their aoe rotation, and start asking: why the fuck can outlaw just press 1 button and then do more aoe dmg by default without changing anything

[vestal wren]

i just think the memes get odd

like i get it, it is fun to poke subtlety

but its the same line for 2+ years now

it gets a bit boring to read or even slightly annoying

[royal lantern]

welcome to the internet, repeat the same few things until its more stupid then my father on christmas

exsang bad btw

[vestal wren]

i can only express

how i disslike that you spam ct

[magic vine]

well soothing is fine (each main branches has 1 "regen" type node), fw is what, only good for outlaw? dance feels fine as an idea to me since it potentially enables more things for all specs

[vestal wren]

it always felt like knowing when to use CT and using it correct /positioning correct was a bit of a skill expression

[royal lantern]

im not a huge fan of CT spam either, but its like, better than not doing any aoe cus your dots dont do real aoe dmg .__.

[frigid kestrel]

I mean we can to…………IC

[gusty mirage]

Why did I just read all of that

[nocturne current]

I was literally thinking the same ahah

[gusty mirage]

[shrewd night]

[gusty mirage]

I should have stopped

But I just didn’t

[magic vine]

i can clear your mind of all of that with two words oxi

[gusty mirage]

[steel ridge]

Delete exsang

[magic vine]

arcane mage

[gusty mirage]

God damnit

[distant mesa]

If I got the flame ring with g.torch but no flame cap is that still better?

[gusty mirage]

[magic vine]

lol

[storm forum]

Thanks

[distant mesa]

🤔

[gusty mirage]

[gray crest]

flame ring doesnt add a whole lot of damage to grief torch. maybe double digit dps increase over a fight. the flaring cowl is what makes it good

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6vJziQ7iHf6Q4aLEqGdot8 thoughts on what to change?

[magic vine]

if you don't already have pants then the pants lets you turn chest into tier and frees your head slot if you get the fire ring

[distant mesa]

I have all 5p of tier

Vault this week was a necklace, but I bought lariat instead

And took chest

[dreamy elk]

Quick question about the catalyst; when you finish the weekly and get your revival charge, is it one charge PER character that gets it or a single charge that can you decide which character will benefit from?

[shrewd night]

Character based Im sure

[magic vine]

i'd probably go with the legs since you have tertiary on gloves, and there are a lot of chances to get capes i feel

unless you've got some good ilvl non-tier around that you're thinking about turning into tier when you can

[distant mesa]

If you click the sim again page you can see my bags full of gear haha

I hoard a bit to much

[magic vine]

yea i saw a lot when i tried to look so wasn't sure if i just clicked something wrong lol

[distant mesa]

No that's all in my bags

[dreamy elk]

@shrewd night That's dope, thanks.

[shrewd night]

Let me elaborate. One charge per character that does the weekly. If that wasnt clear.

[distant mesa]

It's so full the disconnect bug trying to trade gear broke my raid leads UI

[magic vine]

i guess if you have a chance to get heroic pants in raid try for those

[distant mesa]

Aight cool, ty

[dreamy elk]

Gotcha. That's still awesome that you can potentially get a tier piece a week for a new character + your main.

[magic vine]

other people might have better opinions than me, thats just my thought proccess there

[viscid spear]

3pc Gang wya

[distant mesa]

Ye, I've just been at a stand still because I have lariat and weapon embellished. Was trying to see where to go

[magic vine]

yea its sort of awkward trying to juggle short/long term setup planning

[distant mesa]

With the catalyst coming next week depending on what my 19 vault gives I might do chest

Or see if an off piece from raid is better

[limber lion]

Pain. Nothing but pain and sadness.

One more reclear with my beloved one, then it's F's in the chat after that.

[storm forum]

Wait what? Trinket scaling!?

Oh, pun

Nvm

[vagrant tapir]

pretty sure it's account wide

[limber lion]

Account wide? What does that mean?

[normal olive]

you do the quest once and every character gets 1 catalyst charge

and i think i read somewhere that the quest progress is also account wide but i wouldn't trust me on that

[royal lantern]

just be a CEO and always go for short term

[magic vine]

true

long term is for the suckers holding the bag

[storm forum]

suckers who dont already have 2400 and have 415 upgraded pieces (me)

[granite sundial]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wide jasper]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[scenic kelp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[quick harbor]

IF i have cowl and ring Which embelishment do i remove

Weapon or Neck

Weapon right?

[royal lantern]

weapon

neck is the best embelishment lol

[quick harbor]

Thankyou :)

[vestal wren]

cowl is in theory the best with ring

in terms of gain

[neat goblet]

does pooling for shiv+envenom windows play a huge role? or do you just go after the guide and use shiv whenever youd cap on stacks otherwise?

[ebon notch]

wait which part increases grieftorch

[winter gale]

So, Ruby Shell has 6 talents total?

I did all 6 into Fire Shot (ST)

Is there a way to sim it as that but 415 so I can see is it an upgrade

[storm onyx]

Pins

[winter gale]

Found it, thank you !

[storm onyx]

Has a string to paste in Subtility pins

[winter gale]

It's added into Top Gear options in RaidBots

[storm onyx]

O neat

[hollow vault]

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:alt] Ambush; Mutilate

why this not work 😠

is it wonky with proc abilities

works fine for ss/gloomblade sadge

nvm hehe i got it

[cyan wharf]

reporting for duty maybe this herioc Kurog I'm running will finally give me my 4pc

[true lark]

hey guys shoudl this work for mousing over a target? im struggling to hit garrote here on multiples doenst seem to work

#showtooltip Serrated Bone Spike
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] garrote

[ebon notch]

that should work

what seems to be the problem?

[lament warren]

nothing

he’s saying 10.0.5 brings him grief

he’s making a pun

ap sucks and sepsis sucks and we’re losing kingsbane

[weak isle]

hey guys! quick question; for ur 2nd rotation of exang cd's is this what i should be looking for? i understood this from the FaQ atleast

[lament warren]

ya puzzle box after the echoing reprimand

[ruby rover]

is there a good resource for current shroud skips?

[weak isle]

so u dont puzzelbox after the vanish garrote? i was doing that in opener too, since the !puzzle said, use it before exang

but if its better to use it before vanish, i wil do that instead!

[weak plover]

You get a longer garrote in exsang if you puzzle earlier 🙂

[weak isle]

oh thats a trick i didnt know yet! that explains the order then! thank you 😄

[supple snow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[true lark]

well i try to use it (without cooldown) 3 seconds after i come out of stealth yet it keeps applying to same target

[burnt venture]

Hey lads, if I was looking for a log review, what fight would I need to link? I'm 410 ilvl and in just an AotC guild.. my ilvl parses are complete ass the last couple weeks. Wondering if it has something to do with my guilds kill times? I'm parsing decent overall, but my ilvl parses are embarrassing. Any thoughts?

[royal lantern]

ignore ilvl parses

like, straight up ignore, its a worthless statistic

[ebon notch]

are you sure you're mousing over correctly

[rare jackal]

were they always so bad?
i vaguely remember them being a better metric back in bfa but i could be wrong

[subtle tundra]

never have been

[burnt venture]

why do you say that, out of curiosity?

[storm onyx]

Disregard them, parses depend on so many things that can affect it

[burnt venture]

I've always been under the impression ilvl is better to look at because it compares you to everyone on your level.. sure I'll parse well overall but if that's against someone 10-15 ilvl below me.. that's not saying much

Hmm, okay. I'm not doubting you guys. I appreciate it, I just always thought I needed to be looking at ilvl parses first

[storm onyx]

We can be same ilvl with me 405 dagger you 428, parse is burned

[true lark]

im a dumbass i figured it out had the macro only on stealth bar, when i left stealth, had regular garrote

[royal lantern]

extremely easy to manipulate, same overall ilvl doesnt equal same gear, very low sample sizes

[burnt venture]

that's fair I guess yeah

[ebon notch]

[lusty surge]

For example I got a 100 ilvl parse on m rastakhan back in bfa

On frost mage

Because I was using titanforged wq trinkets

Just doesn't say anything about skill

[true lark]

another question is there a way to force the same button for ambush, when its "up" as opposed to it switching it when in stealth/out of stealth? like a line in a macro

[sleek shale]

Is there a way to sim embelisments before getting them? on like raidbots?

[dreamy elk]

!lariat

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[limber lion]

No.

[storm onyx]

You can do that in Gear Compare

[sleek shale]

like here?

becuse under enchant there only the "normal" enchants that i can pick

[storm onyx]

My bad, Top gear lets you swap them if you click the items

[cyan wharf]

The H Kurog was a bust, no token drop

[jovial spear]

Are we reapplying rupture at the end of deathmark to prolong the effect? And, do we let it run out completely before reapplying, or refreshing in pandemic?

[trail thunder]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[storm onyx]

DM is dynamic, it doesn't register in to bleeds itself. We only let Empovered bleeds drop, this includes; Garrotes from stealth and Bleeds thats affected by Exsan.

[jovial spear]

Okey, so it applies to the bleeds already on the target when I use it? And when the duration ends it stops? Thought it worked a bit like the 4-set bonus Vendetta from selpucher..

[sand inlet]

When to channel puzzle trinket in carnage build opening, after first rupture?

[storm onyx]

Yes, it effects only the duration its active, there are no snap-shots

[ornate valley]

assa mains, what do you do for m+:
🅰️: play assa
🅱️: play offspec outlaw
🇨 :play offspec sub

[spice surge]

Tfw no sub option

[viscid spear]

I play

[marble hemlock]

wheres the "reroll DH/mage"option?

[toxic burrow]

Wait, there's no "kicked for playing sin" option?

[slow marsh]

Where's the "just play outlaw until sin buffs are in the pipeline" option

[spice surge]

You silly goose, sin only gets nerfs, not buffs

[slow marsh]

cap

[storm forum]

i got complimented in a PUG for playing sin the other day it was great

[marble hemlock]

been waiting for that one since bfa bro

assa not allowed to be good in aoe/cleave

it just isnt

and obviously were not allowed to be top st dog either

so this spec is doomed

[slow marsh]

we are destined to be mid

[marble hemlock]

until someone somewhere decides that assa is allowed to do good cleave

wanna enjoy the game? play a class that has good utility and good cleave/aoe, cuz if your ST is ever bad you get buffed into relevance on ST

[slow marsh]

Yeah I don't even want to do aoe damage tbh. I just want to be able to excel in 2-4t cleave like we're supposed to

[marble hemlock]

only good at ST and nothing else? sucks to be you, see you in 4 expansions when you maybe get a rework

[nocturne current]

True words. I don't get why Blizz shits so much in one spec.

[slow marsh]

the sucky part is that when the talents were first released people were borderline 'sin is saved'

[toxic burrow]

"Sin sucks at aoe, they're a St only spec." Okay then. Then let us be at the absolute top for ST fights then. "Wait no. Nerf sin for having too much ST."

-_-

[slow marsh]

And here we are in pretty much the same position as last xpac

[nocturne current]

I don't think I've ever played this spec in a "This is alright now" for more than 2-3 months until some shit nerf arrives.

[marble hemlock]

love doing a triple shrouded garrote into rupture, hitting fok on 3t for 1 CP into 2CP mutilate and 15 seconds into the pull i finally have all my damage rolling while the DH presses 1234567 in order and does twice my dps anyway

[nocturne current]

I even quadra garrote for the luls.

[toxic burrow]

Pffft. Where are my fellow Nelfs at for the Triple garrote, CT, Shadowmeld->stealth, triple garrote setup? Oh, the adds are already dead.

[nocturne current]

Triple's for teens.

Big men do qudra.

[proper tapir]

I used to play outlaw/sub in M+ but I tried Sin in DF M+ and it's pretty good. Sure it is FoK / CT spam sometimes but you get huge numbers with it.

[nocturne current]

More like average numbers

[proper tapir]

Oh have you tried anything 15+?

[nocturne current]

Lol.

[toxic burrow]

But, but... Hear me out. The Fok+CT spam on tree boss' adds in AA. <>_<>

[nocturne current]

Where's the huge numbers.

You peak at 200k in a AA/Nok fat pull and that's pretty much it.

[storm forum]

I mean, yeah, but then everyone else drops to 100k and ur still up 150+k

[toxic burrow]

Excluding the monk of course because of that ToD

[storm forum]

Monks aren't real they can't hurt me

[toxic burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/meditation-hippie-patrick-patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-gif-5888486

[proper tapir]

You gotta coordinate with the group, tell your tank and healer to keep up the mob count and pull huge when you got box off CD

[storm forum]

I wanna do some bear pulls in 2 weeks

It's like spiteful/quaking or something

This week I stg I press kb and 20 explosives spawn

[tacit otter]

you can easily hit 300k on AA pulls tho

[nocturne current]

Stream it.

[toxic burrow]

Ooooh. I didn't have my 4p prior to Tuesday. Can't wait to try it out on fortified next week.

[nocturne current]

Because I pull AA with the three pulls with Box and you don't get higher than 180-2XXK before the first boss.

[tacit otter]

pot + boon gets me over 500k in burst and 300k after pull. but im no streamer

[nocturne current]

Yeah but that's a trinket and an item doing the job for you not the spec

[tacit otter]

were just talking about numbers in dungeons? why would i exclude tools everybody has?

[nocturne current]

Because that way any spec can pull it lol. Hell Shaman pulls you half a million easily.

[storm forum]

I feel like this is a bait to get a dungeon log review quick

[nocturne current]

Potion, sure. But boon it's irrelevant what spec you have.

[toxic burrow]

If that's the case, also take the boon/ puzzlebox away from everyone else while we're at it (sorry, monks). And let's not bother syncing up our CDs with each other in large pulls.

[slow marsh]

use those same resources on outlaw and what do you get

or sub

[nocturne current]

No, Puzzlebox damage comes from your abilities.

[toxic burrow]

No, no. That puzzlebox is a trinket that's making you do extra work. Don't include that in your data.

Just your base skills only. Don't even use other class' buffs.

[slow marsh]

Trying to say sin does good damage in m+ is cope. We have iron wire and can play our minds out to do comparable damage to a 123 spec but that doesn't seem like 'good'

[cyan wharf]

I'd rather play my heart out than play faceroll outlaw, at least that's how outlaw felt to me, faceroll high apm feeling shit is exhausting to me

[dark token]

Ive done 600k peak on trees as sub (no pot)

But I've seen unholy do 900k

Unholy is insane spec in AA

Absurd

If you play with a good one they are top and and top st on bosses

[cunning nest]

So am I getting this right?
In ST DTB will be nerfed slightly, KB will be useless again and without execute.
In MT (carnage+shiv) can be better with few targets and ST will be even worse (plus even harder to skill into iron wire?).
wow, why.... assa isn't even really better than outlaw and sub, while much worse in aoe

[grim jay]

I mean, thats not ALWAYS the case tho 😄

[wind dune]

i personally dont get how sub was allowed to get blackpowder just given to them last xpac but we still gotta talent into our aoe 🙂

[magic vine]

no

[wind dune]

please god just give us ct baseline or some shit

[grim jay]

blackpowder is a talent now tho

[magic vine]

dtb is going up, kb is like -5% from the new dtb, ap+ic is ~.5-2% below dtb

[cunning nest]

okay, thank you!

as someone who raids with KB built, I am very sad tbh

[magic vine]

if you look at the spreedsheets in faq there is a ptr tab

[cunning nest]

only good thing for me is that I'm at least looking forward to try the new talent together with ic, sounds pretty fun at council

[magic vine]

best st is going from kb+exsang (89k) to dtb (90k)

the ap build for st is simming slightly above current dtb

[marble hemlock]

you can enjoy the game if youre bad at st but do good aoe. you cant enjoy the game if you do good st (cuz youll never do INSANE st), but shit aoe/cleave

ww was fine to play all throughout SoD even though it had dogshit st

[glass junco]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[grim jay]

yeah sure but you wont necessarily get a ST buff thats makes your relevant on ST

just maybe relevant overall

[marble hemlock]

you might, and even if you dont, youre still gonna be relevant on 3/4th of all raid encounters cuz blizz doesnt know how to design st bosses anymore

[grim jay]

and WW as an example has many people asking for ST buffs

but ye, its easier to play around bad ST than bad AoE

[slim hamlet]

Isn't this mostly because they basically only balance around raid stuff?

[marble hemlock]

they balance around ST damage

which is stupid

cuz very few fights, if any, especially during the later parts of a raid, are pure ST

so boomies can gaslight everybody all of alpha and beta about how theyre the worst spec in the history of teh game, ever, and then be omega valuable on 3 of the last 4 fights because they do good aoe/cleave

[nocturne current]

Yep, this.

[slim hamlet]

Boomie community is my favourite community

I wanna be like them when I grow up

[royal lantern]

pls dont

[slim hamlet]

[royal lantern]

dont wanna do a mercy killing

[nocturne current]

Boomies are bros.

[slim hamlet]

Nah surv hunter community is my real community

or warrior

[marble hemlock]

all 3 of you

[nocturne current]

I mean, any dude that decides to play as a chicken has my respect.

[slim hamlet]

When u stream Seliathan

Having to watch Growl all day

Too much healing

[royal lantern]

you act as if they dont all go astralform lol

[nocturne current]

Ok I rephrase to a dude that doesn't use astralform.

[slim hamlet]

birdform is bisform

[nocturne current]

Flap is the best spell ingame.

[muted ridge]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[muted ridge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[opal elm]

wait does this new talent let you shiv 5 dudes and deal 20% more boon damage to them

[brazen nimbus]

So at reset we dont play KB build anymore? Is there a link to new build ?

[marble hemlock]

shiv doesnt increase boon damage

[opal elm]

why not

[dapper flint]

Why should it?

[kind walrus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[opal elm]

cause it's nature damage wdym

[ornate valley]

for m+ IC + kb is the way to go?

[dapper flint]

Blizz fixed abilities/talents not affecting trinkets since like 2 years ago if im not mistaken

Because of rogues i ghink

[marble hemlock]

rogues and warriors

[royal lantern]

class abilitys more or less NEVER interact with item effects

[marble hemlock]

and then they forgot about firemages in antorus, but yeah

[royal lantern]

frost dk also could do funny stuff cus they increase frost dmg

[opal elm]

both bte and gs work on trinket

[royal lantern]

outlaw is a mix of all desing flaws you can imagine, it just fits the spec wdym

[opal elm]

it actually doesnt work
cucked spec

[echo geyser]

is boon bleed dmg?

[opal elm]

read improved shiv

[echo geyser]

cant spec sin

[subtle tundra]

i think i can peak 400k with boon

[subtle tundra]

L

bet you play outlaw like a L

[marble hemlock]

i mean you can peak 400k without boon but like

[echo geyser]

[marble hemlock]

grats, you can pad on small shitters that dont matter

[echo geyser]

seli all the new kids only care about details

[marble hemlock]

ye

and score

cuz clearly

the guy with 3105 score is more skilled than the guy with 3102

[echo geyser]

[marble hemlock]

has nothing to do with who they play with or how often or if they got some lucky keys, that 3105 guy is just better at the game

[split cipher]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[spice spire]

That’s just factual

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

[nocturne current]

Nothing like bricking a key, because apparently, you can "blind too fast".

[viscid spear]

What does that even mean?

Like it ran out?

[nocturne current]

I blinded the monster too fast to the point he spawns as neutral orange but hadn't had enough time to turn into agressive red so it bugged out.

Blizzard features.. what else to say.

[viscid spear]

[nocturne current]

We just stood there taking AoE with nothing to do.

Why am I even allowed to Blind it....

[viscid spear]

What did the group say?

[nocturne current]

they just laughed

[weak plover]

I have seen this mob bug it probably wasnt because you blinded

last time I did this dungeon the same mob did that

[ornate valley]

for m+ its better to go KB + ic or DTB?

[woeful meteor]

DTB on Tyran KB+IC on Fort starting next week its DTB+IC anyway

[ornate valley]

how can you go DTB + ic

[woeful meteor]

10.5 talent changes

which are next week

[ornate valley]

❤️

[brazen nimbus]

Do we have talent setups ready?

[ornate valley]

@woeful meteor what about posioons instant or nature?

[woeful meteor]

Deadly, the one from Sin tree

[halcyon falcon]

!whysper

[austere plaza]

got a question about improved garotte, does it always give 50% increased damage on garotte, or only when its from stealth ?

[halcyon falcon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[woeful meteor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[woeful meteor]

50% from stealth

[austere plaza]

aight

cause the way the tooltip can be a bit confusing imo

[strange python]

can you shadowstep sennarth if you fall from the pull in?

[woeful meteor]

yes

[sonic fossil]

Where can i see the recommended craftings for rogue?

im pretty sure there was a thread on the discord but i cannot find it:c

[scenic kelp]

Are we dont Play the new talent?

[storm forum]

New talent is less boss damage, more trash damage + AoE soothe, so you can play it on some weeks if you want.

[storm forum]

Foo's sheet has a breakdown of embellishments and a list of craft able stuff for each slot

[scenic kelp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[storm forum]

In general though, it's lariat and helm, espcially with the ring. If you need helm slot for tier though, sim yourself, most of the other embellishments are about the same and less than half a % of dps increase for them.

[hoary isle]

is valor getting upcapped next week or nah?

[teal bloom]

I haven't seen any announcement of that being the case that atleast

[manic anvil]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[unreal cove]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[brazen fern]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[limpid harness]

How much haste do you guys normally have? My 382 Sin rogue has 12%(trash gear/ few conq pieces) is it normal to have times where you have an energy drought?

[toxic burrow]

Yes. There will be periods of time when you get low on energy after burst+depleting tea charges. Those are pokey times while you pool energy.

[limpid harness]

Thanks, I was kind of worried when I was just sitting there AA

[frail niche]

How much do you actually pool tho? Cause I usually just start to keep my CP up and only keep the envenom uptime + use amp stacks, rather than spamming mutilates + envenoms

[faint gull]

I'm trying to figure the kb + exsang build out. FAQ says not to use deathmark with exsang but the opener rotation does that.

[royal lantern]

pooling is not a thing

for a long time now

[faint gull]

I mean deathmark not kb

[frail niche]

So what do you usually do when energy starved? Still spam away as soon as you get energy for mutilate/envenom?

[royal lantern]

yep

the thing is, in the dmg windows where dmg matters, you are not energy starved

like, during dm you have 4 bleeds and energy is no problem, for KB you want a tea charge and that means no energy problems etc....

[toxic burrow]

You got me. I didn't mean pooling like getting back up to max. Just that his energy reserve will be in the dumpster for a bit until it gets back up. @_@

[frail niche]

Do you also start DM with low energy or save just a little?

[balmy condor]

You just send

[frail niche]

I see

[royal lantern]

dm gives you energy+its 2min, so you will get a tea charge a couple seconds in it

[toxic burrow]

Eh? It's saying not to use Deathmark before exsang. Deathmark is a bleed. If you pop it then exsang, you also lower the duration of deathmark as well. So you always want to pop exsang then use deathmark afterwards.

[royal lantern]

like, 1 charge every 1min, it somewhat allings with your bigger windows by default cus of it

[frail niche]

Understood. Thanks a lot 😄

[faint gull]

oh I thought it snapshots the durations, mb I misread

[slim hamlet]

is there any way to make nameplates more steady

sometimes i try to do mouseover int/garrote or whatever and it just flies to the other side of my room

[lofty pendant]

is there a mast or crit soft cap?

[balmy condor]

No

[lofty pendant]

thank you

[balmy condor]

Just keep simming yourself

[slim hamlet]

34

[muted ridge]

34% or reroll

[vestal wren]

69% is the hard cap

(its a joke, there is no cap)

[pseudo geyser]

Will assassin be better for M+ on tuesday?

[balmy condor]

not really

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

might be a bit easier to play

but aside from that it's basically the same thing

[ornate valley]

for m+ I want to keep garrote on as many targets as possible

what about rupture? in dtb build

[slow marsh]

You rupture until energy saturated

Iirc it's 4-5

[royal lantern]

6bleeds in total

but like, you should rupture high priority targets anyway

cus dmg and stuff

[crisp badger]

NO PROOF OF APE 4 U

[royal lantern]

thats some weird ass take

[slim hamlet]

how does this make sence

what change makes ic not bad

1 extra point?

still wasting 4 points on nothing

[slow marsh]

The death of kb I guess? Yeah doesn't make a lot of sense

[shut owl]

taking IC on raz is a weird feel

[tired swallow]

!log

[restive spire]

i just play single target on rasz and let other people pump adds

[shut owl]

like... if your group is struggle with adds, CT is probably enough to get you there rather than going deep aoe with IC

[restive spire]

yeah fr the shield is usually a much bigger problem than the adds

at least for my guild

[slim hamlet]

IC would be for padding if u gonna play sin

and i dont think u even pad with it

u lose so much ST and 90% of the fight is st

[shut owl]

the 10% of the fight that isn't ST adds shouldn't be up long enough for mega IC value

[slim hamlet]

prob getting like 3 IC's out during the fight on HC

maybe only 2

nah

3 maybe 4*

[lament warren]

pick a number

[shut owl]

from my 11hours of wiping this week I'd say you'd get 2 on the first transition, and then some random pointless ones with the big storm ele's fragments later?

[lament warren]

any number

[slim hamlet]

74

[lament warren]

pretty good number

[slim hamlet]

Thanks

Quite like it myself

[lament warren]

good

[shut owl]

IC after landing, its gonna come up when second pack is too low for big value; hit last pack with it

[slim hamlet]

and afaik intermission on Mythic isnt even that much about aoe

[shut owl]

assuming you're the aoe carry anyways, which would be a weird vibe

[slim hamlet]

as it is killing the important mob fast

[lament warren]

ya mythic is heralds

ic is turbo griefing

[slim hamlet]

so

what was the number for

[shut owl]

big numbies mo betta

[lament warren]

yep

[shut owl]

I've just been running sub on raz prog lately anyways for "good enough" shield burn + dealing with the intermission on heroic lol

[slim hamlet]

idk what im gonna do next week

prob just be sad and spec sub

[shut owl]

hitting a 900k damage sectec on shield is kinda hilarious ngl

[slim hamlet]

man I wish we had that sub talent

that spreads rupture

its so perfect for sin and yet no

[lament warren]

you still play kingsbane on raszageth

so it’s fine

[slim hamlet]

lets give it to the clearly superior "bleed spec"

yes

but I dont enjoy number being low

[lament warren]

make number big

[slim hamlet]

i cant

my number is almost what sim says number should be

[lament warren]

do better

[restive spire]

crit more

[lament warren]

all i’m hearing is skill issue

[slim hamlet]

I actually did over my sim dps last week

Simply better

We actually have quite a bit rng

with seal fate and blindside

at least we not yahtzee spec tho

or gamba enhance

[shut owl]

rotation? hit glowy button until button stops glowy

[slim hamlet]

fake

[shut owl]

wait a sec.... ambush glowy button...

[slim hamlet]

because all your buttons glow

so u need to press right glowy button

[potent dagger]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dreamy elk]

Does the PTR DTB build have the trinket sim fixes (i.e. the puzzle box + grieftorch thing that Whispyr mentioned on 1/15) included in those sims?

[balmy condor]

yes

[dreamy elk]

Ok, cool. So we get a small DPS gain to the DTB build come 10.0.5?

[crisp badger]

it doesnt make sense, i re thought about what i said and looked at tree again and realized im just full ape

[balmy condor]

not noticeable

but yeah

on paper it's like 100 dps better or some shit

[dreamy elk]

Negligible then.

[outer cairn]

Considering that’s one of our main things, would be nice but they probably like, but you have IC. Would be nice to have it somewhere mid tree though.

[fading mason]

in algethar what buff do we go for

[spice spire]

Crit

[lament warren]

is it not vers

[nocturne current]

Nah, Crit

Watcha need Versa for

[lament warren]

is seal fate value that big

it’s just a good stat

and the largest amount of stats

and has defensive value

[nocturne current]

Defensive for what in Algethar

Nothing puts you below 50% hp

[lament warren]

okay

not getting baited by you

[nocturne current]

Ok so tell me what puts you sub 50%

[spice spire]

Crit good stat for damooj.
Not just sf

[lavish wing]

Eating frontal 🤣

[nocturne current]

Tree boss you feint, you get to 50%

Bird, you feint or cloak the screeches you never get below 50% either

[lament warren]

so is vers

vers even sims higher than mastery for sub

marginally

[nocturne current]

Seal Fate just too good

[royal lantern]

2,5% less dmg

[gusty mirage]

isn't it 5% vers?

[royal lantern]

that will 100% turn this mechanic that does 89% of my hp into 30%

[gusty mirage]

I mean

[royal lantern]

yes, and 1% vers is 0,5% less dmg taken

[nocturne current]

But the thing is that in Al'gethar there's nothing really that can kill you

[gusty mirage]

ye

[gusty mirage]

shit healers can kill you

[spice spire]

Bigger key, higher value. But legit crit is bigly

[gusty mirage]

lemme find my screenshot from this nokhud I did yesterday

[spice spire]

Gaming

[gusty mirage]

1 heal

in 12s

[spice spire]

12s one heal

BIG

[gusty mirage]

maybe 2.5% woulda saved me there

who knows

[lament warren]

ok man

[zinc frost]

Should’ve leeched more

[gusty mirage]

no I should've alt-f4'd when one of our healers brought his 399 evoker with 0pc to a 20

[brazen zodiac]

[gusty mirage]

68 minutes btw

[nocturne current]

And when I found out today that Vexamus does no damage at all. Algathar became a meme

[gusty mirage]

then they go

"wanna do more?"

I turned off my computer

[zinc frost]

68 minutes of fun tho right

[spice spire]

Ran a 16 with a 380 evoker earlier

[lament warren]

if i need advice from the “one mistake and i leave” below title cutoff in preseason guy i’ll be sure to ping you

but from a pure damage standpoint i am not entirely sure crit is best

[brazen zodiac]

you sure it wasnt me

[spice spire]

Pretty sure that person was a better healer than 99% of the pugs I’ve seen

[lavish wing]

Would be better if it was 69

[spice spire]

Nah it was Lauren

[kind talon]

was the healer alive

[brazen zodiac]

i trashed this 16 on my healer evoker lmfaoo

[gusty mirage]

no

[brazen zodiac]

class so hard

[gusty mirage]

at least not mentally

in game he was

[kind talon]

wait was it actually lauren

[gray crest]

one of our guildies bringing a less than 400 ilvl character to a 20? i dont believe you

[spice spire]

Yeah

[kind talon]

holy

wtf

[gusty mirage]

then proceeding to queef about how people missed explosives

[spice spire]

Lauren GIGA gamer. Hard carry

[gusty mirage]

cause he can't "spare a global"

[lament warren]

399 evoker is playable tbh

[gray crest]

who was it?

[spice spire]

Random pug of all things

[gusty mirage]

idd

who else

[gray crest]

oh

[kind talon]

holy fuck

shes alive

[gray crest]

makes sense

[nocturne current]

Echo was pugging randoms today for the luls.

[twilit lagoon]

What's the right strat for the adds during dathea heroic? I feel like I'm not contributing much there.

[lament warren]

you’re not

if you’re having a lot of trouble on ads you can run ic

the right strat unfortunately if you’re playing rogue is to either sit boss or not play sin

but if you’re deadset on sin and pugging or something

you can just grab ic and iron wire

[twilit lagoon]

So if the rest of the raid has the AoE to handle adds, I can feel better about not being as effective there? When I look at boss damage alone I'm at the top, but I'm garbage at adds.

[lament warren]

correct

[twilit lagoon]

ok, cool.

[lament warren]

optimally playing sin you just never go over

[twilit lagoon]

That would be my dream. XD

[royal lantern]

thats not a high bar mate

[pseudo geyser]

Is the CoS ring better than using two crit mast rings?

[lament warren]

might be

[royal lantern]

for assa yes

[lament warren]

sim

[royal lantern]

my 415 cos ring sims higher than all other rings sooooo...... idk if other can go higher than eranog+cos ring

[south stratus]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[unkempt karma]

got ruby 402 now, that vs 395 technique or 408 boon?

[balmy condor]

when the ruby is fully trained, probably that and the technique for single target

[idle inlet]

Dumb question but do we know for certain if any item changes are coming with 10.0.5 or is everything listed so far all we are getting. I want my razzyg trinket buffed

[gusty mirage]

it already got buffed

and it's still stinky

[unkempt karma]

gota train it then 😛 I got stone tho, 415

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean whelp is unusable before it's trained

[burnt venture]

What build you guys run on Raz?

WCL showing most running KB/Exsang

[balmy condor]

yep

KB is kinda the only viable option for prog

[burnt venture]

Heard, until Tues :/

rip KB ;/

[balmy condor]

you probably still play KB

[burnt venture]

no shit??

[balmy condor]

I mean you play KB for the shield damage

and that's 200% damage increase on each KB in during shield

[burnt venture]

ah yeah that's true

[raw raft]

and it's probably gonna still be more dps in p3 i imagine

execute

[quaint condor]

hey gamers is this the right channel to create a thread for log a log review?

[balmy condor]

for assassination yeah

[quaint condor]

yeah yeah ty

!log

[narrow inlet]

when playing kb and using amp poison i cant stack up KB right?

[balmy condor]

I'm not sure what you mean by that

[narrow inlet]

it says " every time you poison a target hit by kb with deadly poison the damage of kb is upgraded by 20%

[balmy condor]

correct

[narrow inlet]

but since i dont use deadly poison it doesnt work

[balmy condor]

well

not quite

but close

[narrow inlet]

or does amp poison also count?

[balmy condor]

amp poison counts

[narrow inlet]

ah ok thanks

[balmy condor]

the trick is to not infer things from tooltips

because tooltips are dogshit

[narrow inlet]

oh ok

[balmy condor]

but if you were to read tooltips

you should read them properly

[narrow inlet]

i translated it from my language

[balmy condor]

cause it says "each time you apply a LETHAL POISON"

and lethal poison

[narrow inlet]

i translated it

[balmy condor]

is amp/deadly/wound

oh

you don't play in english

yeah

[narrow inlet]

it says "tödliches gift" which is either lethal or deadly in german

[balmy condor]

you can forget about tooltips

you're fucked

[narrow inlet]

oh

well

[balmy condor]

have fun with your erdrosseln though

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[narrow inlet]

thanks lol

[balmy condor]

german names are cursed af

had to do a coaching session in german one time with a guy who played on german client

worst fucking thing I've ever done in my life

[narrow inlet]

my ruupture is called Bluting

which means bleeding or hemorrhage

[balmy condor]

yeh

[narrow inlet]

now that you say it the translation sucks

[balmy condor]

I'm fully convinced that the german client is actually just ran through google translate

[narrow inlet]

the Tea is translated correctly tho

[opal elm]

the dungeon names are all one word but it's 16 syllables

[narrow inlet]

yeah kinda

schattenmondgrabstätte

[balmy condor]

yeah idk how anyone plays like that

[narrow inlet]

item names also suck

[opal elm]

Schattenmondgrabstä...

[balmy condor]

I speak german and it just fucking hurts me to read

[opal elm]

[balmy condor]

schwarzwasserschwimmershuppenveste

poggers

good item name

I'll definitely say that every time

crimson tempest is "blutroter sturm"

[narrow inlet]

yeah

[balmy condor]

bro when I heard that I was dying of laughter

[narrow inlet]

Dolchfächer is ugh

the standard aoe

[balmy condor]

unreal

[narrow inlet]

this is Gezackter Knochenstachel

[balmy condor]

the tooltips all say "finishing-move"

bro they didn't even translate it

[narrow inlet]

and elysian is Wiederhallender Tadel

[balmy condor]

they just added a hyphen

lmaooooooooo

[narrow inlet]

yes

the talent names suck too

[balmy condor]

yeah

german client is just completely unplayable

idk how anyone does it

[narrow inlet]

the cd where bleed goes 80% faster is Ausbluten (bleed out)

gotta download 8 gb just so i can play in english

[balmy condor]

yeh, but you also lose 8 gb because it deletes the german

[narrow inlet]

but if i dont download it i have to ask stupid translation error questions in chat

like the poison one

[balmy condor]

dw, the english tooltips aren't clear either

[narrow inlet]

ok good

i was worried i would understand

btw are you NA? if yes are there also many m+ quitters

[balmy condor]

zoldyck says "bleeds and poisons"
mastery says "bleeds and poisons"
dashing scoundrel says "your poisons"

2 of those work on envenom, and I won't tell you which

[balmy condor]

yeh

m+ quitters are everywhere though

[narrow inlet]

ugh not sure what dashing scoundrel is but that doesnt work on envenom pretty sure

[balmy condor]

the poison crit talent

[narrow inlet]

it says "your poisons" which are applied ones

[balmy condor]

above dragon-tempered

[narrow inlet]

oh that

[balmy condor]

and that works on envenom

[narrow inlet]

shit

haha

Mastery says bleed and weaponpoisons in german

[opal elm]

i mean wouldnt expect zoldyck to work with envenom

[narrow inlet]

its mastery

[balmy condor]

yeah but mastery works on envenom too

[narrow inlet]

oh man

[opal elm]

that would giga busted no?

[narrow inlet]

why doesnt wow just tell me that tho

[balmy condor]

because the tooltips suck

[frozen iris]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

and honestly, they don't really need to be good

because knowing that mastery buffs envenom doesn't really change anything

anyone who cares about their damage will sim themselves

and the sims will just spit out whatever they spit out

now the thing with kingsbane, that's just a translation error, unlucky

[deep spindle]

is there a set phial sin uses or is it like..a situational thing..noob question..i know lol

[balmy condor]

vers

[narrow inlet]

i lose 300 dps when playing dtb

[balmy condor]

yeh, happens

[twilit hollow]

i lose braincells playing DTB

[balmy condor]

some people gain 300 dps

[narrow inlet]

huh

[balmy condor]

there's like 6 viable builds for assassination in single target

and people sim higher or lower depending on their gear

[narrow inlet]

well when i play kb i actually get to my simmed damage with dtb i actually play like 5k less

[sonic schooner]

Idk about other languages, but in french DK tooltip are all legit non sense gibberish

[balmy condor]

that seems difficult to believe

getting to sim dps is already incredibly difficult doing it even once

I've only hit my simdps like 3 times in the last 4-5 years

[narrow inlet]

i mean i got closer to sim dps like 4k below but on dtb im 10k below

[balmy condor]

also kinda weird

cause dtb is more consistent and also easier

but whatever works

[narrow inlet]

yeah just gonna play what works best

[balmy condor]

yeh I think the chinese tooltips are okay, and the english tooltips are okay, and everything else is just a disaster

[narrow inlet]

lol

Shiv is Tückische Klinge in german

[balmy condor]

yep

[sonic schooner]

Why u guys add thousands of letters in every word

[narrow inlet]

not sure

what does the tooltip say of what gets enhanced by 20% when using shiv

[narrow inlet]

in german it says natural damage < badly translated

this is the bad translation nature damage also works

[balmy condor]

natur-shaden I guess

unless they went with like naturlicher shaden

which

cringe

but what can you do

[narrow inlet]

seeing the german translations compared now feels really bad

[balmy condor]

yeah

[frozen iris]

Can flaring cowl get a socket?

[balmy condor]

yes

helm, neck, belt, bracer, rings

[frozen iris]

There a specific item or do you have to be lucky

[balmy condor]

vault sockets

[frozen iris]

Ah

[balmy condor]

this is why I don't do coaching sessions in german anymore

[narrow inlet]

it indeed says lethal poison on kb now

[frozen iris]

Didnt realize the vault could get you crafted gear

[balmy condor]

it doesn't

what do you think vault sockets are

[frozen iris]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-dwyer-who-is-al-gore-afraid-to-ask-gif-12127819

[balmy condor]

I'm talking about the coins

when you don't pick an item

you trade it in for a socket

[frozen iris]

Was not aware of that

[balmy condor]

yeh that would be important info that's missing

[narrow inlet]

quick question how am i supposed to get curve when no one takes me in raids because i do not have curved

[balmy condor]

join a guild

[narrow inlet]

hm

[oak sky]

keep pugging or start your own pug

or join a pug thats doing broodkeeper that goes onto raz

then you get boss % and you can tell the next pugyouve wiped at 10% or whatever

and theyll take you because you know the fight

[balmy condor]

I honestly believe if you're trying to pug last boss

you're out of luck

[narrow inlet]

good idea problem is no one will take im into brood > Rasz cause i dont have curve

[balmy condor]

it's like m+

you sign up for it

[narrow inlet]

im trying to get into dathea with 10% wipe

[balmy condor]

but so do 300 other people

who are better than you

[oak sky]

i mean idk you just have to keep trying

[narrow inlet]

i just want my 6/8 for vault

[oak sky]

i was a pugger in 9.0 and i got aotc and 2/10 M

[brazen zodiac]

its a grind

[oak sky]

its doable for sure

you just have to keep trying

[brazen zodiac]

^

[limpid quest]

Look for a mythic /raid guild to join

[opal elm]

install premade group filter and apply groups that actually need rogue

[oak sky]

it might take a while or until later in the season but pugging it is doable

[brazen zodiac]

pugging the first few months of sod, spending 3 weeks straight trying for aotc

dark, but fun times

kt was

[narrow inlet]

pretty sure you cant do some stuff with random groups

like rasza lfr (tmog)

[shut owl]

truth. I've gotten closer to pugging H raz than to lfr

[fringe bridge]

Are the talent changes going to make assassination more competitive in m+?

[balmy condor]

talent changes don't change anything

you play dtb + ic instead of kb + ic

does the same damage

[fringe bridge]

That's a bummer

[candid jasper]

Is assassination really the least apm rogue spec? I'm trying to figure out the one that's least likely to mess up if I push buttons out of rotation on accident but they all seem so complicated :/

[royal lantern]

assa and sub are equal

in apm

[candid jasper]

Is one less punishing than the other for making mistakes?

[royal lantern]

sub is probs the least complicated rogue spec rn

[candid jasper]

Hmm alright thanks! Guess I'll spend more time at the dummy practicing 🙂

[exotic salmon]

Hello, legion m+ is coming soon any idea if we should farm Faulty Countermeasure from Vault of the Wardens?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/289170611849396225/837448010773299220/image3.gif

pls say no

[balmy condor]

legion m+ isn't coming back soon

[balmy condor]

for fucks sake

I thought this legion timewalking didn't have m+

because cos+hov are m+ already

[exotic salmon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/921947209048670269/1017180143694913556/91A3EF8D-706E-44B4-86C1-62F82540D7CE.gif