assassination

[slim hamlet]

isnt it sofo tier?

basically

[slow marsh]

When I look at it, it just looks like something that used to be nice and neat but then has a bunch of scribbles and stuff crossed out and random stuff filled in

[marble hemlock]

i didnt even consider the KB placement to be an issue. couldve made kb+dtb viable if theres a modifier on KB if you pick DTB, so its not super broken all of a sudden. i like AP. i just dont like where it was put, or what we have to give up for it.

i also dont like a talent like IW being hidden so deep in the tree and behind MA/Exsang, same as SBS being behind doomblade. every step you take for ST, you have to take a forceful AoE step after, and vice versa, it feels

[hidden crown]

why is blind side (a ST ability) in "aoe" side of the tree, and IC on cleve/ST side of the tree?

that

[slim hamlet]

Is AP strong enough to be a capstone?

[oak sky]

i think blindside placement is mostly fine

[gusty mirage]

you don't like the dollar general version of doomblade we got in DF?

[marble hemlock]

it wouldve actually made more sense to put IC left and AP right, yes

[oak sky]

its right next to zoldyck

[hidden crown]

its meh

[marble hemlock]

not that it wouldve changed much but ya know

[thorn fjord]

Definitely intentional

[slim hamlet]

Isnt it just swap AP and exsang and then rework exsang to one of the many ideas the community has had

[marble hemlock]

just put sbs one tier lower and branch off of SS

thanks

[slow marsh]

^^

[gusty mirage]

hear me out

[oak sky]

i had the idea of new exsang going under zoldyck months ago lmaoooo

[gusty mirage]

we take a pretty solid legendary

right?

[slim hamlet]

Having to take doomblades suck

[gusty mirage]

now we strip out the good part

[balmy condor]

No

[gusty mirage]

and nerf the meh part

and then make it a deep talent

AND

[slim hamlet]

Yea thats why I said it, many people have asked for that

[gusty mirage]

put it front of something you REALLY want

[misty holly]

Doomblade back to 45% and buff envenom damage pls.

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[slim hamlet]

How about we just restart

do a quick reboot

just reaaaaal quick

[oak sky]

but at the same time i do like getting kb in m+ at least as an option, i think my bongcloud nerfed kb with option to get an aoe thing for it would function as a solution for that potentially

[gusty mirage]

then hear this out

[balmy condor]

can we skip to the good part

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaAAAaaaAAAAaaAAAAAAAAA

idk how the rest of the song goes

that's the only part I know

[slim hamlet]

are u Varas?

[hollow vault]

is that a talent import code

[slow marsh]

tik otk

[thorn fjord]

does he look like a fish?

[slim hamlet]

I mean

no comment

[marble hemlock]

errrr

i just copypasted that into the calc before i realized what it was

[thorn fjord]

lol

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670758470848610312/1057003203742412800/skate.gif

[marble hemlock]

[slim hamlet]

anyone wanna reroll surv and go gank the discord?

[thorn fjord]

We can just hope that the nerfs are done and that we can enjoy the rest of this tier unbothered

[oak sky]

no that spec blows

[slim hamlet]

We can easily dethrone them

[slow marsh]

been there done that xD

[slim hamlet]

theres like 3 of them

[marble hemlock]

The sad part is

[royal lantern]

its so sad man

[marble hemlock]

That if they just numbers tune shit to do damage, it'll be alright, but it'll feel a lot worse to play.

[oak sky]

bring back wildfire cluster

[royal lantern]

survival is such a well desinged class

[slim hamlet]

I like surv hunter

[royal lantern]

and now thats it not broken FotM, nobody plays it again

[slim hamlet]

but then its also like one of the easiest classes

[oak sky]

is it really still well designed

[slim hamlet]

so gets boring quite fast

[royal lantern]

after legion always was

by far the most thought out hunter spec

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[oak sky]

last patch it wasnt

[thorn fjord]

how the hell did we end up on surv hunter

[gusty mirage]

hey guys new rogue here

when do I use exsanguinate

[royal lantern]

hi new rogue here

[thorn fjord]

Hi @gusty mirage how can we help

[royal lantern]

check FaQ

[slim hamlet]

u dont 🙂

[royal lantern]

it has a opener

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

#assassination-faq

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

smh

read pins

dumbass

[thorn fjord]

Well @limber lion says to exsang AFTER Dm

so

[balmy condor]

that's true, I saw perfecto do that one

[gusty mirage]

if cev said to jump off a bridge would you?

asking for a friend

[balmy condor]

potent

[marble hemlock]

after you cut your wrists, so you bleed out faster

[thorn fjord]

depends on which bridge

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

twist your razor into your target

[royal lantern]

good way to explain the talent tbh

pin worthy imo

[marble hemlock]

i already had a pin today

[brazen zodiac]

[thorn fjord]

something something black my eyes

[royal lantern]

[oak sky]

farming off topic pins 😴

[royal lantern]

thats peak guy vs hataro

[gusty mirage]

https://imgur.com/d4eVfF6

[thorn fjord]

Thats an FBI robot ^

[marble hemlock]

how about imp garrote makes the next 3 garrotes cast deal extra damage, instead of garrotes cast in the next 3 seconds

[oak sky]

off topic pin: hataro opinion bad, guy plays outlaw, miz likes kpop, skip is a zoomer, flower failed a trial, dadsen is hot

[brazen zodiac]

whats wrong with kpop

[slow marsh]

you forgot yourself

[brazen zodiac]

[gusty mirage]

what does that fix

[thorn fjord]

jpop exists

[royal lantern]

want a list?

[slim hamlet]

Step by step guide on how to play Exsang

[oak sky]

i dont have that much deep lore in off topic

[balmy condor]

now you can sit in stealth with MA

[marble hemlock]

you get 3 full duration imp garrotes on singletarget

[brazen zodiac]

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

it doesn't always have to be deep my guy

[thorn fjord]

thats what she said

[sonic spindle]

that's what she said

[oak sky]

most of my lore is from this channel

[gusty mirage]

I do that anyway when the other dps have cooldowns

[marble hemlock]

after you IC garrote, your next garrote is still boosted for prio damage too, especially if you use exsang which comes immediately after

[gusty mirage]

I'm just there to kick/stun anyway

[slim hamlet]

that's what she said

[oak sky]

scripted joke

[gusty mirage]

@gray crest can you learn how to play assassination so I can quit the game

thanks

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage seems like you're already on your way there

New Lock main

[slim hamlet]

idk

Oxi feels like a frost mage main to me

[marble hemlock]

blackvneck rising

[thorn fjord]

He said he was rolling lock earlier

[gusty mirage]

bro I'm rolling myself in front of oncoming traffic

I'm voluntarily playing poe bro

I'm in peak depression mode

[thorn fjord]

rip

Better than a buddy of mine who's balls deep in a private UO server

[gray crest]

yeah i gotchu

[slim hamlet]

Gotta remember we are the ones playing World of Warcraft

Can't make fun of anybody else

[slow marsh]

i swear you say this every 2 weeks

[oak sky]

nah man you missed posi oxi

shouldve been here like 2 weeks ago

[thorn fjord]

The one where he went on that 45 min long rant about nerfs? lol

[oak sky]

maybe longer ago

like first few weeks of the expansion

man was grinding

shitting on me for not grinding

[slow marsh]

yeah that's true actually someone was saying he was super hype at start

[oak sky]

shitting on kids

fucking my wife

[slim hamlet]

HUH

[gusty mirage]

bro

DF

has been fucking amazing

[slim hamlet]

I like DF 🙂

[oak sky]

sennarth depression mode man

[gusty mirage]

but

sennarth

into keurig

into dathea

is actual suicide avenue

[slim hamlet]

I honestly feel like all the bosses this raid sucks

[oak sky]

i liked kurog a lot

[slim hamlet]

The only one semi interesting is rasz

[thorn fjord]

Grimtotem that bad? We got sennarth down to 8-9% last night... should be dead sunday

[slim hamlet]

I dont even think thats very interesting

[oak sky]

dathea is pretty awful if your raid is trolling

but it hasnt been too bad for me so far

might get there

might not

[slim hamlet]

We about to start prog on sennart monday 🙂

[oak sky]

im sure if it was like 300 pulls like anduin it would be completely awful

at least its a 50-100 pull boss

[slim hamlet]

oh

[gusty mirage]

kurog just isn't fun for melee

[slim hamlet]

u underestimate our guild

[gusty mirage]

it's kinda awful

[oak sky]

wait how

[thorn fjord]

bleh

[slim hamlet]

isnt kurog jsut opening spec trees and choosing outlaw

then clicking blade flurry and top dam

[oak sky]

would be fine on sin

[thorn fjord]

Lets hope

But currently RL doesnt want me or the other rogue playing anything but sin

[gusty mirage]

because the stupid fucking dance

doesn't spawn on you

it spawns in your vicinity

[slim hamlet]

your RL is the opposite of the usual stupid RL

[gusty mirage]

so you can lose uptime from bad rng on placement

earth zone

is brown on brown on brown on brown

and more brown

and a lot of downtime on the boss

[thorn fjord]

We have so much AE and cleave that ST is more value for the overall grp

[gusty mirage]

how is it fun

[oak sky]

we usually didnt lose uptime on fire

[balmy condor]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/Fgfo1l3tWSd7WA1uzE/giphy.mp4?cid=73b8f7b167ae9e6c1ae7f6ad118723925160cd1b8065df27&rid=giphy.mp4&ct=g

[oak sky]

there were bad pulls but

[gusty mirage]

best boss ever made

[oak sky]

i love sennarth

[low girder]

amazing how this keeps happening

[thorn fjord]

Fuck that boss

Dumbass spider

[oak sky]

wdym

i could play it for years

and years

and not go clinically insane!

[thorn fjord]

yeah im a HUGE fan of ice skating

[glossy grove]

sophic devotion 3 on both weapons for raid? or one sophic devotion one frozen devotion

[thorn fjord]

I make sure to bring my Nancy Kerrigan autographed photo out on my desk everytime we pull sennarth

[slow marsh]

2x sophic yeah

[glossy grove]

alright

ty

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/Jx9VM/6142cc9aa9.jpg

i want this

thanks

[slim hamlet]

Sepsis is based

dont fool me with the icon

also what is backup poison injectors and deathspike

[marble hemlock]

right side aoe, left side cleave, middle bang

[hollow river]

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/Jx9Wc/7fa872912e.png

[slim hamlet]

Still having exe on left side

ooooh

U want that under

Thought it was names for them with placeholder icons

epic

[oblique jackal]

get rid of esang for DM CD reduction

[slim hamlet]

iirc deathspike was wicked then

that is the 5 charge bone spike one right?

[marble hemlock]

and cleave, yes

[slim hamlet]

yea

That was nice

[marble hemlock]

also exsang is removed and replaced with veinrippers ofc

[slim hamlet]

I liked that a lot

veinripper?

All that comes up is the weapon

that the one?

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/Jx9WU/5cd9c6882b.png

[slim hamlet]

monka

Burst

oh my

[nova kelp]

vein rippers was so fucking fun in torghast

[marble hemlock]

we had a bunch of really cool anima powers

but none of them made it into the talent tree

[slim hamlet]

that is actual based talent tho

[white orchid]

Veineipper with IC would be nuts lol

[marble hemlock]

which i think is a shame

[nova kelp]

I wish we could get deathspike too, for sure

[slim hamlet]

prob giga broken for pvp but who cares

[subtle tundra]

ic vein ripper vs a unholy dk

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/Jx9Xt/3201978a75.png

[royal lantern]

just give it a %penatly against player

[subtle tundra]

demolish a loser

[royal lantern]

like man

they allready do that all the time anyway

[slim hamlet]

Yea

That tree would not change KB being kinda dog right?

still 20x better than current tho

[marble hemlock]

i mean its obviously omega broken but just like

general idea

[slim hamlet]

yea

[marble hemlock]

some interesting talents are dogshit cuz of bad positions

sepsis/sbs without some additional powers are kinda useless

[slim hamlet]

A wish of mine is blindside being way higher in the tree

Prob my favourite talent in the game

Execute, helps with energy and big dam

[oak sky]

good take

[slim hamlet]

just feels nice, often saving from downtime

[thorn fjord]

I don’t care what we play I just want pink parses so I can shit on the rest of my guild

That too much to ask for?

[slim hamlet]

Based

[thorn fjord]

But make it easy plz

Kthx

[slim hamlet]

Oh no

here we go again

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/class-tuning-incoming-25-january-424476

Havnt read yet

Oh based

Outlaw nerfs

[thorn fjord]

Jesus more?

Wtf

[slim hamlet]

only outlaw

get fuckd

[spice spire]

Tbf the killing spree thing

Was like

GIGA broken

Still is kinda lowkey

[slim hamlet]

Even at 35% it sounds broken

[spice spire]

Yeah

[slim hamlet]

30 sec 35% dr

[spice spire]

But 65% dr

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I thought it was gonna sneak by

[spice spire]

Like

[slim hamlet]

actually invincible

[spice spire]

I get the concept

“Dangerous position = dr”

[thorn fjord]

Most people running m+ ho build anyway so you don’t even take ks lol

[slim hamlet]

Yeah ofc

Its so u dont just get random sniped

[spice spire]

But like. This is gonna be abused

[slim hamlet]

But u can cheese so much with 65%

[spice spire]

Yeah

[slim hamlet]

and still with 35

and still with 15%

[spice spire]

Press feint, press Ks. Outside of one shot idk how you die

[slim hamlet]

any "normal" DR for rogue seems very very good

[royal lantern]

why so many warlock buffs

WARLOCK

the class is allready close to giga broken again

and they get buff after buff

[slim hamlet]

They have a very loving dev

Isnt destro simming like insanely high ST right now for some reason

[royal lantern]

and so many fury warrior buffs

bruh

fury is allready not bad

[slim hamlet]

Stop spoiling

the fuck

Well

Guess we know where to reroll to then

[white orchid]

We were broken too that’s why we got 5% damage nerf right

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[white orchid]

Lol

[slim hamlet]

mega ultra busted

like

[white orchid]

Ultra busted

[slim hamlet]

we were on top of the screen when looking at logs

on the roof

prot warrior nerfs

[white orchid]

They just need to revert it back

[slim hamlet]

Based

Revert exsang nerf

Yep

[white orchid]

Revert the 5% aura nerf and exsang 🤪

[slim hamlet]

[silk bane]

why is #outlaw melting down? its 5% hp nerf

[slim hamlet]

lol

u asked that and cant find the answer to that yourself

[storm onyx]

Melt? Did it gain less hp per Sta already?

[silk bane]

people are giga madge over 5% hp sausge

[slim hamlet]

good content

[silk bane]

grabs popcorn

[marble hemlock]

dying from laughter looking at this tuning

[viscid spear]

[slim hamlet]

[viscid spear]

Please continue

[marble hemlock]

rdruid nerf but no preservation nerfs

[storm onyx]

lol

[slow marsh]

instead of nerfing arcane, let's just buff the other specs 5%

[silk bane]

now its time to go on twitter and watch boomies have a mental breakdown because their spec no longer does 3259327 times every other specs damage in academy

[slow marsh]

@gusty mirage

[fallen charm]

is the whelp trinket BiS yet?

[slim hamlet]

10 billion iq

[agile geode]

When did you think they Will buff sin cleave? Never?

[velvet robin]

No sin buffs. Sadge

[agile geode]

Kek

[velvet robin]

Sin is clearly dominant in aoe

[neon kindle]

where the ruby whelp shell sims at

:o

[velvet robin]

Especially when adds die fast

[slow marsh]

buffing demo lock lmao

[silk bane]

@slim hamlet dude stop my cheeks hurt from laughing

[oak sky]

and people wonder why the specs hate each other

[slim hamlet]

I cant anymore

[slow marsh]

I don't hate specs

[slim hamlet]

It hurts myself to type something this dumb

[slow marsh]

i am zen

[oak sky]

all people want to do is go troll the other specs when stuff goes bad

[marble hemlock]

not us

we're all civilized

right?

[oak sky]

yeah theres totally not a screenshot

1 scroll up

[spice spire]

I trolled Zac lightly

But that’s because he’s a homie

[marble hemlock]

how dare you

zac is a national treasure

[silk bane]

dude i cant stop laughing it hurts lmao

[oak sky]

i dont actually care though troll whoever you want

[silk bane]

now Zacs trolling them too actual

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr was the one to give me the idea

[oak sky]

i vote skip for the new outlaw cf

[slim hamlet]

he told me about his young days

[spice spire]

Don’t follow whispyr’s footsteps

[slim hamlet]

Why?

[oak sky]

wdym young days

[slim hamlet]

Because they moved to america?

I see

[oak sky]

moved

[marble hemlock]

cause theres 3 tracks, not just 2, because of his huge schlong

[oak sky]

moved to america

[spice spire]

Exactly

[slim hamlet]

(I know he was born there)

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

Damn

idek what to say to that

[marble hemlock]

id go with nothing

[royal lantern]

he is a assa/sub/outlaw 1tricks, he can do that

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

nothing is "the other spec"

I AM the other spec

[gusty mirage]

5% to frost?

[oak sky]

Dont troll based on spec

[gusty mirage]

is this a fucking joke

[oak sky]

Troll based on country

[slow marsh]

i was waiting for that

[granite sable]

Can someone tell me how to sim embellishments on raidbots? For like optional ones on weapon/chest etc

[oak sky]

Isnt frost simming higher than arcane already

[marble hemlock]

hey oxi

[marble hemlock]

until more people actually play it, its gonna keep getting buffed ofc

[oak sky]

Wcl based tuning

[slim hamlet]

it is one of the main characters after all

[marble hemlock]

assa high performer - nerf assa, and outlaw/sub while we're at it for good measure
arcane high performer - buff frost+fire. repeatedly.

[slim hamlet]

Galaxy braining it

[oak sky]

Mages will keep complaining frost cant maintain high uptime despite having shimmer and a million instant casts

[slim hamlet]

Keep the bigger playerbase happy

Isnt that what its all about

[oak sky]

Yeah

[dense herald]

There’s a pi spreadsheet I saw yesterday, there are actually multiple classes on it simming over 90k without pi, anyone know if they’re actually correct?

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[dense herald]

I feel like assa isn’t even in top 5 ST any more

[slim hamlet]

we are simming over 90k without PI

[dense herald]

I thought we were at 89

[slim hamlet]

next week we lik 90.4k

iirc

[fallen charm]

but we are the bad guys, everyone hates rogue

especially us

[slim hamlet]

holy dooming

[oak sky]

They hate us because they anus

[keen raven]

Does the talents change at all or do we just slap a point in zoldyck

[slow marsh]

yeah we get more execute

big stonks

or exsang i guess

[slim hamlet]

we already took exsang

[slow marsh]

i think it's exsang and we stay 2/3 on zold

[slim hamlet]

smh

[muted ridge]

ngl, I wonder what they gonna replace Exsang with next patch

[keen raven]

they should need to make exsang 2mins

3mins is dumb af

[slim hamlet]

Exsang haters

[teal bloom]

2 min exsang monkaW

[muted ridge]

I like Exsang but its just, too clunky

[slow marsh]

this isn't exsang

[muted ridge]

i support its removal

[slim hamlet]

2 mins exsang but 30% only

[teal bloom]

That build is the poison one, the bleed one likely sims higher with 4 set

[slim hamlet]

prob missing like 2% there buddy

[slow marsh]

this is from whisp ptr sims so

[slim hamlet]

yea

[slow marsh]

same diff

[slim hamlet]

What I said

[white orchid]

My sims had my bleed DTB sim lower than KB build with 4 set is that wrong?

[balmy condor]

not necessarily

I've had people sim higher with poison dtb as well

that's why I have the pastebin in my sheet

[slim hamlet]

huh

[balmy condor]

cause there's legit 6 builds

[slim hamlet]

How does that happen

[balmy condor]

and all of them are viable

[white orchid]

Yea was like by 400 dps lol

[balmy condor]

no puzzle box cause outlaw rerollers mostly

[slim hamlet]

smh

[balmy condor]

puzzle box pushes kb pretty hard

[slim hamlet]

non boxers

[indigo ginkgo]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

Imagine not getting it vault first week

[white orchid]

Ahh okay well def have that got it thanks

[spice spire]

Poison still sims higher for me

[thorn fjord]

Weirdo

[spice spire]

No puzzlebox man

[slim hamlet]

weirdo

[thorn fjord]

Just let me take you to academy

Ill get you atleast two

[slim hamlet]

Date?

[balmy condor]

but yeh

basically every build

[teal bloom]

I am a puzzle box gamer but not using exsang and usually no kingsbane even though they sim higher

[balmy condor]

has had people simming highest

[fallow canopy]

with KB and puzzle box do you send puzzle with the KB in between DMs or you save it for the whole wombo?

[balmy condor]

save it

[fallow canopy]

alright ty whisp

[balmy condor]

exsang/puzzle for 4 min

[spice spire]

Even on a 6:45 timer

[crisp badger]

why do we take iron wire in m+? aren't there better dmg points?

[fallow canopy]

exsang? there's no exsang in ba sing se

[thorn fjord]

I haven’t simmed poison since 4p should try for science

[balmy condor]

there is now brother cry about it

[spice spire]

Legitimate question btw

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean

if fight long

lose cast

bad

[spice spire]

Okay I wanted to make sure I wasn’t inting these reviews man

[fallow canopy]

I got no tears left I just took the around 600 dps loss and moved on

[balmy condor]

logic is legit just "can I get an extra exsang+deathmark?" if yes, you hold, if no, you don't

[spice spire]

Logic says more casts = good but line up as much as humanly possible dear god

So some awkward like 6:20 timers kinda blow

[thorn fjord]

Wait for the sweet sweet 6m window

[spice spire]

I wonder if fight ends within like 10s of lineup if it’s a gain to Exsang the dm window

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ducklett-pokemon-cute-sandile-gif-18012863

[spice spire]

[crisp badger]

why do we take iron wire in m+? aren't there better dmg points in that area, is it just for the 15% DR?

[shut owl]

aoe silence is huge

[oak sky]

Not really better points no

[shut owl]

its not a damage gain, its a utility gain

[balmy condor]

best m+ utility in the game

[shut owl]

you'll never die to uninterrupted imps in CoS again

[crisp badger]

Figured, just wasnt sure

[shut owl]

until the tank decides to pull all 3 packs at once like a psychopath

[balmy condor]

yeh you're good, there's some sims flying around that don't take it, but you would have to be a braindead pyschopath to not take iron wire on sin

[subtle tundra]

really cool tuning! ap will surely be played outside of council!

[thorn fjord]

But 8s bleed dmg increase 🧢

[balmy condor]

you're gaming varas, not dooming varas

[slim hamlet]

watch him change

[subtle tundra]

NAH

[thorn fjord]

I hate that the cap is blue

[subtle tundra]

no dooming

[crisp badger]

i've honestly only been taking it when im doing 18's+, on less than that or sale keys i just run some other QOL stuff, but still newer to sin in m+

[thorn crater]

just spittin fax

[balmy condor]

yeh, the alternative is taking like random mutilate damage or whatever, super whatever

[teal bloom]

When you accidentally exsang your deathmark, do you think "deathmark is half full" or "deathmark is half empty"?

[crisp badger]

I didn't see any tuning for sin on the jan 24th notes, what is spec expecting?

[balmy condor]

expecting a kb buff at some point

and then maybe a buff to the new capstone

cause that's not great either

[slim hamlet]

omg

U have outdone yourself

[slow marsh]

give us original 2p percents on ap

[slim hamlet]

From the coping on exsang removal to this

U keep on huffing more

[crisp badger]

Whats new capstone?

[balmy condor]

pins

[oak sky]

Oh you mean the bonus crit?

[slow marsh]

no not the original 2p

the original reworked 2p

[oak sky]

No man

The monkeys paw already curled

[balmy condor]

cold blood

[oak sky]

Stop

[keen spruce]

exang still simming lower for me

[oak sky]

Nightmare

[dim yacht]

there is one place where you prob dont want iron wire, and thats shadowmoon burial grounds, because most groups dont want to interrupt the dominators

[teal bloom]

@keen spruce stop throwing your puzzleboxes into a lake

[oak sky]

Theres multiple workarounds that let you still take it though

[slow marsh]

also this is literally the first time i've ever heard this. what kind of boomer are you

[keen spruce]

never

[shut owl]

just dont imp gar them

[balmy condor]

okay then don't interrupt them

[oak sky]

Unfortunately ive been on reddit for like 7 years

[slow marsh]

so you're a boomer zoomer got it

[shut owl]

imp gar the adds, and then IC and wait a bit before landing a normal garrote

[balmy condor]

you don't want to interrupt these
then don't

[oak sky]

I mean this is my main spec so we already knew that

[balmy condor]

[dim yacht]

why wouldnt you want to imp garrote them though? there isnt really anything in shadowmoon that benefits from iron wire all that much in the first place. that is one of the packs that would, if you wanted to have them interrupted

better to just drop iron wire entirely for shadowmoon

[shut owl]

having the casters and healers not spamming shit for 8 seconds on all the other pulls seems handy

[oak sky]

I dont think its objectively better to not take iron wire

[shut owl]

its, what... 2-3pulls that you don't want to iron wire there?

vs... the entire rest of the dungeon

[oak sky]

Theres like 3 or 4 other solutions that work just as well as not taking it

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire fr fr let’s get some keys in tomorrow and get you a PB

[flat kindle]

Hey I'm new here and wondering if anyone help me with how diminishing returns work with secondary stats? :)

[dim yacht]

but the entire rest of the dungeon has nothing to really silence with ironwire, thats the thing. the healers only have one in each pack, two if you do the pull through the floor

[shut owl]

damage reduction is still a thing on it

[spice spire]

Down. Night tho, vals off tomorrow so

[balmy condor]

you get a bunch of stats, until you get to x% from gear, then anything on top is reduced by a certain % until the next breakpoint

[spice spire]

Gotta spend time with her

[oak sky]

Not taking iron wire is definitely fine for sbg though

[thorn fjord]

Yeah night for sure

[spice spire]

God bless

[dim yacht]

id rather just drop iron wire, and take the tiny dps increase with improved poison application chance

and then keep iron wire for every other dungeon

[flat kindle]

Some old reddit posts from shadowlands said at 30% stats it's reduced by 10% then at 40% stats reduced by 20%, do you know if it still works like that?

[shut owl]

could also just... run sub if your only goal is maximum damage forever

[balmy condor]

probably? The numbers aren't really relevant cause we don't play around those breakpoints at all, I have no clue what they are cause I simply don't care

[dim yacht]

i dont think 'change your spec' is an argument when were in a channel to talk about a specific spec

[flat kindle]

fair enough, thanks for the help :) I've just been trying to pick gems for my lariat and don't know how much to prioritise crit or mastery

[balmy condor]

there's sims for that

[thorn fjord]

First time?

[flat kindle]

great point

[dim yacht]

its the first time ive heard someone say that, and ive been around a decent while. i just think the argument is silly. were not arguing about 'what is the meta spec' or what does the most dps

were here to talk about sin, so telling people the best option is to change specs is just dumb

[balmy condor]

haven't been around long enough I guess

it's like twice a day

[dim yacht]

apparently not

[slim hamlet]

if u dont like it just switch channel

[dim yacht]

maybe those people saying it twice a day should think about what channel were in

[crisp badger]

So is DTB+IC going to be possible w/ 2 point in Zoldyck Recp? fixed typo*

[dim yacht]

yes

[shut owl]

sorry, didn't mean to offend there

[dim yacht]

you can take any two capstones now

[dim yacht]

im not offended, im just saying its not a valid argument

[shut owl]

why not?

you're arguing for a loss of a major utility tool for a minor damage gain. I've suggested that you can lose that utility tool and get a larger damage gain by going sub in a lot of M+ scenarios

[dim yacht]

because were in the channel for assassination, to talk about assassination, and optimise/discuss how to best play the spec. so saying to change specs is completely irrelevant. its like having a discussion about how to make gold to pay for a sub, and me saying "go work your irl job and buy tokens"

[thorn fjord]

We’re all rogues at heart

[lament warren]

Despite a strong start to Season 1, Fury’s performance has fallen behind where we’d like it to be.

[crisp badger]

sub player here, sin is more fun, anything is better than outlaw tho

[lament warren]

[slim hamlet]

I mean

U dont know where they want it to be

Sooooo

Get fuckd?

[thorn fjord]

Prot warrior still timing 20s with no gear

[shut owl]

lol

[thorn fjord]

But that’s what blizzard intended

[slim hamlet]

Apparently that nerf is a lot bigget than it looks

From what Dorki said at least

the prot warrior one

[dim yacht]

i feel bad for surv hunters

i guess blizzard wants them to be complete shit

[slim hamlet]

Actually insane how bad the balancing team are sometimes

Seems like they just forget that some specs exists for patches at a time

[lament warren]

prot warrior nerfs don’t stop the class from doing the thing that it does so it’s fine

[slim hamlet]

Really weird to me

[frigid kestrel]

Everytime I go on break no lurk I see comments like “the nerf is worse then usual” and my heart drops

[dim yacht]

the sad thing about that though is that surv hunter has been pretty much irrelevant in pve ever since the change to melee spec, for every single season? have they had a single season outside of shadowlands s3/4 when they were even remotely good?

[frigid kestrel]

Then I realize …… it’s not sin rogue

[dusty zenith]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[frigid kestrel]

Y’all be trolling me 😂

[slim hamlet]

[shut owl]

wild to even talk about another class in this channel

[frigid kestrel]

Shocking even

[crisp badger]

!lariat

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[thorn fjord]

Ayoo

[dim yacht]

dont put words in my mouth i didnt say

[shut owl]

why did you go from "stop" to "ayoo" there mate? XD

[thorn fjord]

Phone auto correct

[shut owl]

lol

[crisp badger]

is there anyway to run DTB+IC rn and not just be completly hamstringing yourself?

[slim hamlet]

what u mean

[crisp badger]

Idk, im not finding a talent setup with IC+DTB where im not just losing 5% or more dmg

[normal olive]

[slim hamlet]

just look at whispyrs sims

[normal olive]

wait we can run that?

[slim hamlet]

not yet

[normal olive]

yeah they said rn which confused me

[proper tapir]

Yeah we can't do that yet

Dude is from the future

[crisp badger]

Figured, just double checking, nah, i just swapped from Ret back to rogue then from sub to sin, so im like mentally catching up lol

and i refuse to play puzzlebox. idc about a 1% dmg inc, i wont do it lol

[gusty mirage]

uh

well it's a bit more than 1%

[slim hamlet]

it isnt if u dont believe it is

[crisp badger]

My personal dmg diff%*

[shut owl]

it isn't if you don't click it

[gusty mirage]

true

if you don't use it, it is not a dps increase

[normal olive]

fuck puzzlebox

where my whelpling enjoyers

[gusty mirage]

shit trinket

I'm good thanks

[crisp badger]

i got my 418 whelp trained on my ret lol, blastingggg

[normal olive]

shit did like 4.5% of my dmg in hc yesterday

[gusty mirage]

it's worse than puzzle box

& worse than my 421 whispering icon

i'm gucci thanks

[normal olive]

well yeh its my best trinket next to the hc technique

[shut owl]

psh, miss me with all that. where my kamikaze storm boon enjoyers? 😛

[gusty mirage]

#outlaw is that way

[crisp badger]

puzzlebox can stay in the trash next to final boss of AV

[gusty mirage]

yea I mean its a good trinket

more out of raid trinkets being solid is good

as long as it doesn't go SL levels

[shut owl]

I refuse to outlaw, ty. besides, I thought you couldn't grapple during it?

[gusty mirage]

where all the good ones came from m+

[normal olive]

prolly gonna be one of the last people getting a good icon

lmao

[gusty mirage]

that's the trinket they use in keys to copium the fact that they actually do aoe damage

[crisp badger]

when you get your hunger to 415 only to finally get a hc greiftorch

rip

[shut owl]

I mean... its the trinket I use in ST because I can't get any other trinket to drop lol

its that or my questing alchemy sustain trinket lol

[velvet haven]

Storm-Eater's Boon Gang

[shut owl]

floor gang/sadly watching as the tank pulls away gang

[normal olive]

just shadowstep

[shut owl]

shadow stepped twice to a tank and he just kept running

[normal olive]

oh lmao

[shut owl]

"I thought the elemental was aggro"

like... dude... its been a month, and you haven't seen any aggro wind elementals, why would there suddenly be one NOW

pugging for KSH going great so far

[strange python]

Pugging everything under a 21 right now is a trap

So many 2500 score apes who just int every 20

[normal olive]

yo thats me

[strange python]

The resto druid slamming 30k HPS on azure second boss was raging at us for not having more defensive

[shut owl]

lol

[thorn fjord]

Must be nice

[gusty mirage]

don't you have the eggnog ring?

[strange python]

Oxi appreciates me is what I'm hearing

[strange python]

Sims +2100 for me as sin and +2900 as sub 😦 give plz

[normal olive]

man i had the eranog 3 times in my vault 2x mythic

i don't want that ring anymore

[gusty mirage]

sims 2700 for me

unlucky eh

[strange python]

As sin?

It Sims 3700 for me as outlaw lmao

We gave it to an evoker 🙂

Oxi can you review my opener

[gusty mirage]

no

[shut owl]

savage

[slim hamlet]

Oxi can u review mine?

[teal bloom]

Garrote-garrote-garrote-vanish-garrote-garrote-garrote-garrote bis opener

[slim hamlet]

u missed a garrote

noob

[teal bloom]

If you garrote 4th time it goes to 6 sec cooldown

Less burst

But yeah you could 4 garrote and wait 6 seconds in stealth for master assassin uptime

[runic hinge]

Pin it

[slim hamlet]

yeah?

so?

U just wait for it to come off cd again to vanish

[slim hamlet]

oh yea

10 billion iq

[restive spire]

is the next spark this upcoming reset or the one after, i lost track

[slim hamlet]

this one

for compensation for deleting KB

[strange python]

It's really good promise

[strange python]

I've legitimately sat in my chair laughing at my opener like five times today

[teal bloom]

[limber lion]

That is pretty tragic

The Exsanguinate isn't even the worst part

[strange python]

🙂

[teal bloom]

I was like that looks fine, should just rupture before deathmark... Wait what is that exsang

[strange python]

You ever just brain freeze for a second but your hands keep going?

[shut owl]

"oh yeah, I guess I've got exsang, huh"

[strange python]

And your brain is trying to process

[shut owl]

yes. all the time

[limber lion]

Yeah I've Exsang'd my Deathmark a few times as well

It is what it is

[strange python]

Not like this you haven't

[shut owl]

its why my sub bars are just 90% macros lol

[limber lion]

Yeah my opener is 100% the same everytime, it's just Exsang that might slip in through the cracks

[strange python]

Why double mut before rupture?

[burnt star]

Its not double

Its a single cast

[strange python]

Oh duh dumb

But why mut before rup still with ER

[burnt star]

Er with no cp

[limber lion]

Because I don't play RC

I play 2p Lethality with KB

[strange python]

OH

Interesting

[burnt star]

The question is. That exsang haha

Mistake have been made. Even by the best

[strange python]

Honestly sometimes doesn't even make the pull as bad as it should if you highroll the rest

I have a private logged terros that would be rank 3 that I did an exsanged DM

[burnt star]

That feel like. I pressed exsanf. But with no success.

And ur brain continue the rotation

[strange python]

Ye

[burnt star]

And then ur like. Fk

[strange python]

Happens with ER and puzzle box sometimes

If you hit em too close together the ER doesnt go

[limber lion]

When I forget to press Exsang before Deathmark*, I always think to myself whether I should just hold Exsang and not press it at all or just press it during dm and I just end up sending it as a punishment to myself for fucking it up.

[burnt star]

My most common. I pressed and. Hmm where the fk is my keypress is with sbs

That spike projectile time mess me up everytime

[weak plover]

My sbs anyways feels super delayed too

[burnt star]

I need to add a gcd on that w.a so i know the gcd went

[royal lantern]

me, everytime im at the ~3min mark in a fight

just full brain shutdown

[burnt star]

Puzzlebox fix that for me tbh

I see it coming off gcd soon

And everytime. Ooh look exsang too

[shut owl]

I finally hit a non-grey parse on diurna; stoked lol.

[royal lantern]

for some reason, they decided that the projectile actually needs to hit the enemy before you get CP, and on some enemys that means it needs to fly for a good bit

[shut owl]

high-rolled my medication-induced brain-fog and didn't completely forget to hit buttons while doing eggs

[burnt star]

Terros projectile hitbox is way tooo far for no reason

Despite having such a big hitbox

Projectile need to land on his face. In a diagonnal

[royal lantern]

just throw harder

so its flying faster

[muted ridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[slow marsh]

so is cold blood just like really dumb with what it works with and what it doesn't

cuz it seems like that's the case

[limber lion]

It only works on direct damage, no dots or anything

So the only thing it would ever be worth on is CT initial hit damage on like a massive pack

Or potentially in 10.0.5 with AP + Tiny Toxic Blade

[shut owl]

fear the tiny toxic crit

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

yeah i saw the stuff with cold blood ttb

i'm just wondering why they chose not to make it work with stuff like kingsbane or sepsis

[dim yacht]

cold blood would be too good

[slow marsh]

I can understand not rupture or garrote

[shut owl]

if every tick of KB was a crit that would be kind of wildly busted

[slow marsh]

even though i vaguely remember the coversations early on with realz saying some stuff about how things were meant to be straight forward and if something says your next ability will crit, then that means your next ability

[acoustic geyser]

ok I assume it's me being bad but I have terrible energy problems running IC+KB

[shut owl]

if you're in single target with ic/kb thats not you. it doesn't have as much energy generation

[dim yacht]

^

[acoustic geyser]

ok it makes some of these m+ dungeons feel really bad

[dim yacht]

if youre talking about aoe, you need to start applying some bleeds before all your IC bleeds fall off

[slow marsh]

what's more weird about CB is that it works for sbs...

[shut owl]

SbS isn't only a dot

[slow marsh]

oh nvm i guess iw as just having good rng and had 8 dot crits in a row

[shut owl]

lol

[fallow juniper]

Has there been any news regarding the potential exsang rework or rebalance? or is it the same as the initial hotfix notes

[next edge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

No I have the brood ring -_-

They gave heroic torch to our shitty enh shaman who got sit on prog last night

So no torch or eggnog ring 😑

[marble hemlock]

There has not, no.

[burnt star]

Exsang rework: ability deleted.

[thorn fjord]

Preach

@royal lantern mind you I’m always in on prog 😑😑

[fallow juniper]

Ah rip alright, thank you though

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, a bunch of things that were "coming soon" are still very much not on the table for 10.0.5 it seems. Exsang stuff, Replicating Shadows smartcasting, NS bugfix. So basically just gotta wait and pray.

[reef mango]

What poisons should I be using for assass? New to spec and not sure what 2nd of each should be

[strange trail]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

FaQ talks about poison choices

[brazen zodiac]

!lariat

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[gray hazel]

!logs

[manic walrus]

for DTB do i pop shiv off cd and just send as many envenoms as possible?

[rocky sluice]

I kinda of want to get rid of bonespike and put it into the 500% increase shive damage talent

Tiny toxic blade

[gusty mirage]

why

[rocky sluice]

tell your opinion,

not sure

i guess boine spiek is good CB gen

[gusty mirage]

you're giving up a stack of lethal dose

and a cheap builder

[rocky sluice]

oo

[gusty mirage]

for 500% increase on shiv

ttb would be a cool choice

if it was earlier in the tree

[rocky sluice]

word

[gusty mirage]

yea sbs is just too strong unfortunately

[royal lantern]

........i never made this connection until now

[slow marsh]

noob

[royal lantern]

like....its a bleed for lethal dose......

[slow marsh]

exactly

that's the biggest thing goign for it

[royal lantern]

i legit never thought about that

[slow marsh]

the efficient cp is an added bonus

[rocky sluice]

i'm glad I asked

thanks bros

[royal lantern]

was always "well, low cost, hits hard, gives cp lmao"

[slow marsh]

i mean yeah that's certainly what made it good previously

it just also adds 2% damage on top of all that now

[gusty mirage]

honestly the only negative bone spike has

is its stuck behind an absolutely dogshit doomblade

[slow marsh]

yep

[gusty mirage]

but like

even as meh as doomblade is

it also adds a stack of lethal dose

so

free passive damage

[slow marsh]

i don't know why they bothered putting sepsis on the same node on sbs

[royal lantern]

I NEVER THOUGHG ABOUT THAT ASWELL

what the fuck

getting the big revelations rn

[gusty mirage]

for the 3 people who liked it

[slow marsh]

I liked it to an extent but like it was never going to survive DF without a big change

I'm convinced if it's a 1min it's feasible but yeah idk. The 3 seconds it was good in sofo was because of tier + conduits

also TO

[royal lantern]

"bruh, there is no way sepsis will leave the SL alpha like that" me in 2018

🙂

[slow marsh]

also carried by soulshape

[royal lantern]

or 2019 or w/e the sl alpha was

[fallen raven]

i liked the idea of sepsis actually working as a vanish, then they killed it and it was basically a dot with a free ambush you didn't even press iirc?

[gusty mirage]

yeah OG sepsis was cool

[dreamy gull]

I wish there was a slightly longer window before enemies would regen HP when you leave combat

So vanish could be used offensively solo

[gusty mirage]

if you're quick enough you can beat the little reset timer

but it's kinda jank

[dreamy gull]

If ur not quick enough the enemy is back to full HP and your health and energy and cooldowns are not full

Which is bad

[night perch]

For echoing reprimand is there any reason to not make it into a cast sequence macro with mutilate ?

[oak sky]

its more like sepsis was there and they added sbs because people asked for it

like sepsis is for sure the worst covenant ability and it was the one they just tossed onto all 3 spec trees

[slow marsh]

that .... sounds about right

meanwhile dk's got slappy hands

[oak sky]

and druids got convoke

and paladin got divine tol

l

[royal lantern]

flagelation: the covenant ability that saw heavy play for all 3specs trought out the entire expansion

blizz: er and sepsis, take it or leave it

[oak sky]

i mean even then

we didnt really have a super strong thematic covenant ability

[dreamy gull]

doesnt flagelation not get played in sub

[royal lantern]

yes

like

[oak sky]

i think it was most important to bring back the abilities that were cool as fuck, not just the numerically strong ones

[royal lantern]

they should not all made a return

[ebon notch]

why is bloodmallet saying that rogue has no pi apl support

[slow marsh]

oh no daps

[oak sky]

like they randomly bring back blessing of seasons for hpal

what even was that

[ebon notch]

what

[slow marsh]

bloodmallet is not it

[oak sky]

and like why bother giving havoc kyrian sigil, thats a vengeance ability

[ebon notch]

i heard bloodmallet was decent

[royal lantern]

why code back old talents when you can just scale abilitys that are in use rn up?

[slow marsh]

yes it's decent but that doesn't mean good

[oak sky]

wdym

oh

like old old talents

[royal lantern]

ye

hemo and stuff, why make that work

[slow marsh]

lethal dose is old talent pretty much

[oak sky]

idk if we need anything like hemo really

[royal lantern]

just copy paste all 4covenant abilitys and call it a day

[dreamy gull]

i think it would be cool if there was more crit damage for rogue

seems very thematic

[ebon notch]

you should check their PI page, they have a list of notes for apl optimisations for diff specs with PI

[royal lantern]

was just an example

[oak sky]

but yeah sure

or new stuff

new stuff is good

[dreamy gull]

(i want to one shot mobs with cb)

[ebon notch]

pretty thorough

[slow marsh]

is it better than the one directly from priest disc?

[royal lantern]

no, thats apperantly a dh thing now

[slow marsh]

that's new and i didn't know so my bad ig

[dreamy gull]

i have not heard a single good thing about the dh discord

[oak sky]

but yeah i mean

so many clear Ws with bringing back covenant abilities

[slow marsh]

interesting

[ebon notch]

looks pretty cool

[oak sky]

the hunt, radiant spark, abom limb, convoke, adaptive swarm, divine toll, kyrian sigil, mind games, soul rot for aff

[royal lantern]

mindgames is boring as hell

[oak sky]

for pvp tbh

thats why i thought of it

[royal lantern]

its a peak example of a shit covenant ability that doesnt even work for all3 lpriest specs lol

[oak sky]

its not that interesting in pve but i know it was pretty must pick in pvp

sort of a cool concept there

[royal lantern]

like, when you went mindgames, yoz had litearlly no covenant ability for holy priest,but it was bis for disc

[slow marsh]

so that means that our PI sim is from 0 seconds instead of 5 then i'm assuming

[dreamy gull]

assassination dips a bit i think around 50ish but once you get kb good lord do elites melt

[oak sky]

holy was forced to be a buff bot

[ebon notch]

no its worse than that

[slow marsh]

is it really

[ebon notch]

changing it from 0 to 6 seconds for me was 300 dps diff

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/power_infusion

go and check

[royal lantern]

im so happy that holy is trashing disc for some time now tbh

[ebon notch]

the highest number there was 4.3k dps for assa

[royal lantern]

fuck disc

[ebon notch]

lmao

[oak sky]

i think disc has a really cool concept

[slow marsh]

well i mean yeah but

[ebon notch]

4.9k sry

[oak sky]

damage to heal and all

[royal lantern]

dominant shit spec deserves a break for once instead of beeing #1 all the time

[slow marsh]

we're never gonna get up to ele / mm levels

let alone higher

[oak sky]

ok now do mistweaver

[slow marsh]

we cna't even get to fire mage level

which is weird

[ebon notch]

i mean its 6k for me

and im not bis

[oak sky]

oh boy

is viklund giving you his puwu again

[slow marsh]

oh wait i didn't check what profile it's using

[ebon notch]

we're considering it cause he doesnt want to PI a warlock

which means i would swap back to assa

[royal lantern]

based

[oak sky]

do they just not get a ramp or is the timing bad

[ebon notch]

but because he sends his cds in p1 intermision

and i dont want to

it causes some cursed timings

might result in me getting it in p1 and p3 only

[dreamy gull]

https://i.imgur.com/8gdShC6.png

can u solo these

the suggested players 5

[oak sky]

probably

[ebon notch]

which im fine with as long as i dont have to send DM in intermission

[oak sky]

if your gear is beans you probably cant solo it but if its decent you probably can

[royal lantern]

is that the orana plains quest where you fight a big guy?

[dreamy gull]

i had a druid helping me but hes horde so his aoe killed me