#assassination

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spice spire
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It’s still fine but I’m a loyal man what can I say

hidden crown
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Thats why I like it

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I like ass

subtle kiln
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well thets better than what I’m used to Sub being.

spice spire
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I played sin in 9.0, my mental is unbreakable

gusty mirage
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I got ark for free, played it for 10 minutes and felt like I overpaid

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So good luck

subtle tundra
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I'm trying to escape from tarkov....

spice spire
gusty mirage
spice spire
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Ark actually degenerate game

ionic fox
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I'll sherpa you

frigid pilot
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some chick asked to play minecraft b4

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told her i dont play stupid games

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now im on wow

ionic fox
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lol

frigid pilot
gray crest
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I play minecraft while im sitting tbf

subtle tundra
gusty mirage
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So poe with guns

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Hell yeah

frigid pilot
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diablo 3 competitive ladder

subtle tundra
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With hackers and no sound system

frigid pilot
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top 500 wizards

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without botting

gusty mirage
frigid pilot
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ama

subtle tundra
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But the dopamine

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You want more

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Killing a geared squad

frigid pilot
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tarkov i heard ruined lives

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like OG wow did

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mufukas not feeding their kids and divorcing their wives

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no cap

spice spire
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OG? My brother in Christ that happens now AINTNOWAY

native belfry
subtle tundra
native belfry
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Surely I got to red maps in Kalandra, unfortunately

frigid pilot
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imagine ur kids growing up being proud their dad is a gamer

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then they find out he plays sin

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in wow

native belfry
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Fastest league drop day 2

subtle tundra
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Ah you mean cause you played kalandra

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Eh I'm more of a casual poe enjoyer

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I don't really care about minmaxing the div per hour shit

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I just play

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If I have a fun build I play a lot if I don't I quit

frigid pilot
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so whos down for platestack m+ on NA

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lets gear our alts kings

gusty mirage
subtle tundra
frigid pilot
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i mean new mains*

native belfry
frigid pilot
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yo since most sin players r depressed doomers (<3 u kings) i need a new pillow recommendation

subtle tundra
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Sleep naked

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The monsters won't kidnap you

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Pro tip

glacial shuttle
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Okay, say I want to keep playing Sin. I never played DTB before. Do you just... keep playing the same rotationally except for a bit weaker burst?

frigid pilot
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ye

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same shit, 1 less button

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1k less dps

glacial shuttle
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That sounds boring tbh

frigid pilot
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it is, and thats why most wow gamers play it

subtle tundra
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It's not less dps tho

glacial shuttle
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I like my mini-burns

magic vine
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with .5 its simming higher yea

frigid pilot
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dtb without exsang is less dps

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

spice spire
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Essentially

frigid pilot
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thats how it should be

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shouldnt be more rewarding to be easier

spice spire
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But you run DTB with Exsang

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Also what’s harder about kb

glacial shuttle
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you don't run exsang with KB?

spice spire
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Literally two rules change

magic vine
# frigid pilot

its higher than current value, but its ok to be mad that which build is slightly ahead flipped

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spice spire
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You press an extra button, and you line shiv with it

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That’s not difficult

frigid pilot
spice spire
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Rest is 1:1

thorn fjord
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are people really holding Shivs for KB window and not casting outside of it?

ebon notch
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yeah

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thats what cev told me to do

spice spire
lament warren
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you lose casts either way

glacial shuttle
lament warren
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it’s more dps to hold

ebon notch
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i thought i read somewhere that you line up a cast with the last 8s of the solo kb cast

spice spire
thorn fjord
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Cant you fit 1 or two in before the KB comes back off CD?

ebon notch
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and so i was doing that

ebon notch
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you hold for ~15s

thorn fjord
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Gotcha i'll try that out then

ebon notch
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was a bit weird at first

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but i got used to it

magic vine
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i get being mad about kb getting shafted, but acting like its the end of days is dumb

frigid pilot
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when they nerf sin cus too much burst

ebon notch
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i asked cev to check after we did eranog and his KB did 35% more damage than mind with the same number of crits

thorn fjord
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I just stopped using KB since we're prob not using it next week

frigid pilot
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meanwhile

spice spire
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KB logs stupid easy to read

frigid pilot
spice spire
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Because you can check shiv logs for mistakes and missed casts Cheesin

frigid pilot
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over 100k with cds up joy_dead blizz emergency meeting

thorn fjord
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We're not taking KB once the new capstone drops tho right?

spice spire
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More than likely no

ebon notch
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are we simming less or more after the changes

magic vine
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hell taking kb is still better than frost dks going oblit i bet

glacial shuttle
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Eh

spice spire
prisma monolithBOT
frigid pilot
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outlaw losing 1300 dps

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with patch

glacial shuttle
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Well I'll try out DTB on Sunday before I decide if I wanna reroll. Cause I gotta swap realms anyway, might as well decide if it'll be a level boost or char transfer lol

frigid pilot
glacial shuttle
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out of curiosity.. what.. poisons would I run for DTB?

spice spire
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Amplifying and deadly

frigid pilot
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in cobalt

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dont need to pay for boost

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dont give dumbass blizz more $

glacial shuttle
frigid pilot
glacial shuttle
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Well, "free"

spice spire
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Ye

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Cobalt leveling is like

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Omega free especially if you’re a tank

frigid pilot
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ye

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ill do it for a discount for NA rogue homies

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😉

glacial shuttle
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lmao

dreamy elk
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Do the PTR sims account for the fixes to channeled trinkets that Whispyr mentioned recently?

frigid pilot
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if ur eu Salute gl

spice spire
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I did it from 63-70 solo

frozen turtle
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Anyone know if there’s a crit cap or mastery cap for assassination?

spice spire
spice spire
frigid pilot
glacial shuttle
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do stat weights tend to change between KB and DTB?

frigid pilot
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if ur tagging things as a lowbie

spice spire
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There’s DR, always sim your stuff

spice spire
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You’ll have to sim like

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A lot

frigid pilot
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i hate classes that have their bis trinkets from m+ vault

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421 puzzle where r u

sour hinge
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why is assassination so shit in mythic according to wcl?

frigid pilot
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meanwhile arcane mages

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372 m0 trinket

frozen turtle
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Ya I did a stat weight sim and seems mastery and hast would produce most increase in dps but my mastery already at 31% (haste is crazy low at 12%)

frigid pilot
glacial shuttle
ionic fox
frigid pilot
ebon notch
frigid pilot
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im convinced whetstone doesnt exist

grim jay
frigid pilot
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all pugged too

glacial shuttle
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lol my blood DK got whetstone too.. The fucking irony

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Can't get a trinket to save a life on my main. xD

frigid pilot
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30% chance some idiot leaves cus their ass caught on fire

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or w/e

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my gear is insane rn for outlaw barring whetstone for st and jade ring

spice spire
frozen turtle
spice spire
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Probably could have done it in 2

frigid pilot
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sucks i had to make my lariat crit vers

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cus mastery sucks for law

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😦

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and i aint about to recraft everytime im feeling sinlike

glacial shuttle
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I am actual fucking garbage at Outlaw. I genuinely cannot play the spec.

frigid pilot
grim jay
subtle kiln
frigid pilot
spice spire
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Yeah but idk if you knew outlaw mastery meme in the past but it was uh

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Bad

subtle kiln
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in what ST?

spice spire
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It’s not the worst anymore

glacial shuttle
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rsham might have the worst mastery of any spec in the game tbh

frigid pilot
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some1 tell me why we run an rdruid and an rsham in mythic prog

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0 disc

glacial shuttle
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Rdruid is fine, even though it disgusts me to say that

spice spire
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R Druid kinda slams

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Movement while healing is pretty nice

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Could be the same for sham

frigid pilot
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raz unkillable without proper vokers/dr no?

grim jay
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are you at rasz tho

frigid pilot
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will be soon

grim jay
glacial shuttle
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I think they nerfed p1 somewhat to make that specific comp not so necessary right

grim jay
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enough time to reroll

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😄

frigid pilot
grim jay
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the first major thing that went wrong was looking at ilvl parse

frigid pilot
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the sin wolves r gonna eat him up

grim jay
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but you can do !log and post a log

spice spire
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Sure type !log and then post it in your thread

spice spire
frigid pilot
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for the love of god no1 hijack his thread

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u animals

spice spire
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Because I’m the one

frigid pilot
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had 3 ppl hop in my thread

grim jay
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quake doing it personally

frigid pilot
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mythic is so much harder to parse on nowadays

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r u eu

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flaming some1 over eranog sounds like eu

grim jay
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how do you parse eranog mythic with 399 ilvl even

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except if you killed him weeks back

frigid pilot
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my buddys US 5 billion guild

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dayraided on sepulcher mythic

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so they can get world 17th first boss

grim jay
frigid pilot
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@grim jay Kek

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sry nathria

grim jay
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I mean

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shit went south fast

frigid pilot
grim jay
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its prolly still better than the average peoples guild

frigid pilot
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they raid 3-5 days a week

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3.5 hours

grim jay
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yeah ok

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it prolly doesnt look good if you compare pulls/kill

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😄

frigid pilot
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yeah

thorn fjord
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Should see our Sylv info LOL

subtle tundra
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im not like the other girls

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i have cock

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ok maybe i am like other girls

frigid pilot
thorn fjord
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Enrage Kills Only on Hyjal

frigid pilot
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wow logs so thick its taking forever to load

thorn fjord
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LOL

frigid pilot
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i swear

spice spire
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Weren’t you in the like

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Anvil gaming range of sylv pulls die?

frigid pilot
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NOWAYYYYYYYYYYY

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

thorn fjord
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Yep

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lol

frigid pilot
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1ST PERCENTILE

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like actually

thorn fjord
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We had like 3-4 different tanks

frigid pilot
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1st

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yall spent 73 hours on 1 boss

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uno

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1

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eins

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wa7ed

spice spire
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Roster boss is real

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No shame

thorn fjord
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Hey man we still killed it and got CE lol

spice spire
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A kill is a kill

frigid pilot
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november 4

spice spire
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They don’t ask how, they ask how many

frigid pilot
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to mid jan

thorn fjord
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It was really painful

queen cosmos
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Could maybe someone check the mythic terros log i posted? Played assa on it for the second time ever and looking to see on where i can improve since i got grey T_T

spice spire
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On it

thorn crater
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btw

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do we know how to train haste on welp shell now?

frigid pilot
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nyalotha was a wild one

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when ur carrying 5 dead weight

mighty zenith
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with the new update will assassin be better in myhtic +? or is it a nerf losing kingsbane

proper tapir
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Since this is a support group, I'm sad to lose KB on Tuesday.

spice spire
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You gain DTB. Lose KB. Still chuckling. The road to it will be missed though

earnest imp
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I still wonder how these impacts are supposed to end up us going +-0 on dmg

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This is what I understood that output will be the same

proper tapir
shut owl
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current kb/ic going away makes me a bit sadge for m+

tender kelp
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hi guys, does anyone go full ST build (raid build with SBS) for tyra m+?

shut owl
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would definitely suggest taking CT at least

tender kelp
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we have dh + hunter and i'm thinking that I could be more useful with full st since I feel like I suck with that classic m+

grim jay
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going full st is meh

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for m+

tender kelp
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oka thx!

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just wanted to ask didnt know its that bad

grim jay
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you should play dtb m+ build

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tho

tender kelp
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i do

grim jay
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for tyr

tender kelp
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oh wait

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i dont

spice spire
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I’m clean Cheesin

tender kelp
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but isnt it without carnage?

grim jay
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those are both m+

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dtb is without IC

tender kelp
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ahh

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i see

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thanks!

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will try to

spice spire
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Next week SoCute

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DTB IC gigachad gamers rise up

viscid spear
frigid pilot
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i think outlaw is good guys

slow marsh
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i mean that was the same view for last season just sub instead

frigid pilot
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i miss venthyr sub

royal lantern
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and then CT losing 20% dmg, improved garrote only 30% dmg now and poison bomb down to 2%for each CP

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cus fuck assa

frigid pilot
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YEAH fuck assa

royal lantern
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"you deserve that for not playing outlaw like everyone else, fucking punk"

oak sky
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Sbg and cos are both lower target dungeons so outlaw goes crazy

strange python
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Plz nerf outlaw into the ground

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Just once

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I'm tired of outlaw players

frigid pilot
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ye but they will nerf sin x2 b4 that

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so unless u tryina lose raidspot

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its better at least 1 or 2 specs r competitive

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than none

strange python
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Fuck it. I'd rather go back to 9.0

oak sky
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Lol ur fried

strange python
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I'm tired of outlaw players

oak sky
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Sin didnt even play well in 9.0

strange python
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Their brains are cooked man

oak sky
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Actual dogshit iteration

strange python
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I agree

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I just want the outlaws to go reroll

frigid pilot
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its definitely adhd wackamole playstyle

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but it does huge deeps

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i dunno, sub/sin for me is still way easier st than outlaw

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dont know why

strange python
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Cringe spec populated by egomaniacs who seem to only be able to function by trying to claim other specs are easy. While actively playing the easy spec.

oak sky
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Its the spider man meme

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They call easy specs easy when their spec is also easy

strange python
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They're just the most aggro

oak sky
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Outlaw is just a slam speed gap spec

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If you cant press fast enough its hard for you

strange python
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You ever hear someone say "eh idk I don't really like sin"? Most sin rogues say "oh okay that's cool"

frigid pilot
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yeah

oak sky
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Vs sin which is a gear check spec

frigid pilot
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i dont pump when i dont go turbo energydrink mode

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and spam my buttons

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as outlaw

strange python
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Ever tell an outlaw you don't really like outlaw? They take it as a personal affront.

oak sky
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Sins my favorite but i mostly just like rogue

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I like outlaw when it has a fun build going on

strange python
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I'm also just tired of outlaw being the hero spec of rogues for the last 6 years

unreal epoch
strange python
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Its moderately tiring having one spec always propped up for pve content.

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Over the last three xpacs it has been, on the whole, the best of the three for pve content a pretty sizeable majority of the time

true rapids
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the woes of being a triple dps spec

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I'm sure mages are having the same arguments

strange python
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Well for once fire isn't the obvious go to

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Locks at least get some spec diversity between patches

frigid pilot
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the one time sin is good in pvp

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nerfed 8 times

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and they have 0 survival unlike outlaw and sub

grim jay
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uhm

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sin was pretty dope legion s1 at the beginning

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kinda op

oak sky
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6 years ago?

grim jay
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I mean

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if someone says "the one time"

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why would you care if its 6 years ago

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it literally isnt "the one time"

vestal wren
strange python
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The point seems obvious...

frigid pilot
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ikr

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skillcapped design

slim hamlet
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is skillcapped as big of a meme in wow community as in lol community?

vestal wren
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moment, ill improve the design a bit

grim jay
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no, skillcapped is actually fairly decent

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its not necessary/needed in any way, but its fine

frigid pilot
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i used to work with the owners for dk guides

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they make good shit

grim jay
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and not bad enough to be a meme

frigid pilot
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their valorant shit is good too

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for wow/valo i 100% recommend them

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unless u wanted more 1on1pvp vod review/coaching i can help with that for na ppl

grim jay
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well there are really good players for every class/spec that you can watch aswell and even ask if you watch a stream, which isnt bad either

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some comment their games

vestal wren
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alright

pointers.png
grim jay
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xaryu is great for mage for example

frigid pilot
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yeah thing is, not every1 can extract proper info from just watching a pro player

vestal wren
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perfect

frigid pilot
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some ppl watch venruki for 10 year and still r 1500 hardstuck

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theres ppl ive carried to 2100 that were legit 10k games played in 1 season 1600 and they do homework religiously

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its about learning HOW as opposed to bruteforce effort/timespent

vestal wren
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watching heavily depends on the game

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wow is sry to say this

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terrible to watch

frigid pilot
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yeah

grim jay
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thats why I meant some even comment on their stuff

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which is the how + the why

slim hamlet
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minecraft tournament most watchable content

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change my mind

frigid pilot
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i mean even fps games that r ez to watch

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like valo/csgo

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doesnt translate immediately

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because you dont understand the why

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and alot of content creators dont explain

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they just do

vestal wren
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riot games has very good observability

thorn fjord
grim jay
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well shooter is a lot about personal skill that comes from actually playing and training aim, thats nothing a guide helps with anyways

thorn fjord
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Real thing too lol

slim hamlet
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Like their casters are actually so good at what they do its insane

frigid pilot
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they stole our casters

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azael was a pvp caster

vestal wren
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but wow needs:

  • A good ui that makes information visible (what not all streamers have)
  • An ability timeline (what also not all streamers have)
  • Good camera movement to make it easy to follow
  • Good commenting/explenation for what you do
thorn fjord
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FGC has the best commentators cant change my mind

frigid pilot
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rip EEE's friends

thorn fjord
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Oh man Arturo is in some shit right now

slim hamlet
frigid pilot
vestal wren
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e.g. if you watch valorant and lol, both can be watched without much game knowledge.

frigid pilot
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valorant champions was so fun

vestal wren
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csgo compared to valorant is tough to watch

frigid pilot
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lol is fun to watch, toxic af to play rn

vestal wren
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comentators carry a lot

stiff vale
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anyone here have that Power Infusion spreadsheet? The one that shows who benefits most from it.

thorn fjord
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!pi

frigid pilot
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takes crazy mental to workaround walking on eggshells so the triggerhappy psychos dont throw on purpose

strange python
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Anyone with good poison WA? I mean reminder? Cannot find any for the new poisons.

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If you're trying to figure out who to PI in your raids, you're better off having the raiders sim themselves with PI

thorn fjord
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Just give PI to the UH Dk

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done

strange python
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The answer is DK or Arcane tbo

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Yeah

stiff vale
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nah was just curious between the rogue specs

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though I know none really benefit much

thorn fjord
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I would think Sin gains the most value from PI

stone gull
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How does the next patch changes affect Assa ? Thinking about trying it out but is it better to try out Sub meanwhile we wait for the nerf and see how it affects ?

stiff vale
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I run with spriest devoker so it always goes to scaly

gusty mirage
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which is strong

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but yeah

vestal wren
prisma monolithBOT
vestal wren
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assassination is quite good with ~ 7% dps

frigid pilot
vestal wren
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yes

frigid pilot
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i dont know why sub feels so weird on terros

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did it for 1 pull

vestal wren
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i got 2-3 people early on this tier

frigid pilot
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im sure i didnt play perfectly

vestal wren
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who did dm me, who they should give loot

frigid pilot
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but an imperfect pull as sub feels like a shit

vestal wren
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i always did say the rogue

thorn fjord
frigid pilot
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like i fucked up first secret tech cus it was a while since last sub pull

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but still

vestal wren
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secret does not like you anymore

frigid pilot
vestal wren
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so it counts as separate entity

frigid pilot
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3k sub believers

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why my screenshots always look so small

spice spire
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Sin chat 🤨

vestal wren
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yes, at least include sin numbers

frigid pilot
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ay there was 1 parse in there

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that was sin

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b4 i went back to law

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5% wipe

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ahd wrong gear on too, pulltimer finished b4 im done setting up

hot goblet
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So are we just dead in the water as assasination except for the most simple single target fights like Terros?

frigid pilot
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puzzle was on cd 30 sec

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on pull

frigid pilot
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i mostly want sin to be buffed so i can lounge

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especially non exsang versions

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👀

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i miss watching netflix while raiding

ashen rover
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
dark token
ashen rover
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Vendetta catSmoke

royal lantern
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@gusty mirage doing a RLP +20, the hunter dies in the first big pull cus he stands inside sanguine, says "cant time it now, need key timed" and leaves

spice spire
gusty mirage
magic eagle
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
sacred wolf
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Does the animacharge from Echoing Reprimend work on rupture or is it only envenom?

royal lantern
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all finishers

sacred wolf
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Not SnD?

gusty mirage
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all damaging finishers

royal lantern
sacred wolf
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I see, thank you

royal lantern
gusty mirage
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Note when making your !log threads
Firstly, we appreciate you wanting to get some feedback and we want to make sure that it gets seen. We do get a LOT of log reviews (check the active threads its kinda insane), and it's natural for some to slip through the cracks. I highly recommend tagging one of the CFs (MakeitQuake, Ceverion) or Whispy or Myself when you create the thread otherwise chances are we might miss it.

Second, it may take a while to get to your log review so if it takes a couple of days understand that we are trying out best. We do have some very helpful community members that try to help out as well and we love and appreciate them from the bottom of our heart.

gusty mirage
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@spice spire done

spice spire
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Ty papi

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Love u

gusty mirage
gray crest
daring imp
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i get fucking pissed that i never manage to do better st DPS as assassination when compared to outlaw Ç_Ç

gusty mirage
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I get pissed when I see uhdk doing obscene boss damage by pressing 2 CDs and 2 buttons every 3 minutes

dark token
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Meanwhile exang opener go brr

night perch
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!log

peak basin
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!log

native parrot
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
outer cairn
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If I could read logs I’d help.

royal lantern
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ping you, whisp and quake everytime we want a log review?

subtle kiln
royal lantern
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guy doesnt even know any assa talents lol

subtle kiln
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exactly

#

go outlaw you chedder head -guy

teal bloom
royal lantern
#

remember when guy during the podcast made up a sick tier set effect, where you gain dmg for each bleed/poison on the target

#

and then everyone was like "guy, thats a talent"

subtle kiln
#

cool. my work here is done

royal lantern
bronze lark
#

hey I have a question regarding assassination rogue since I havent played it for a while and wanted to make it my alt. I understand most of the rotation but I think there is a mechanic I'm not aware of. Reading the the wowhead st opener rotation it says ''to extend the duration in preparation for Exsanguinate''.

limber lion
bronze lark
#

what does it means to extend the duration? we can extend bleeds beyond original duration?

wicked valve
cinder geode
#

thats pandemic, under 30% of the duration of the bleed you can cast a new one and itll add to the duration

limber lion
#

!pd

prisma monolithBOT
#

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

bronze lark
#

I understand now, ty

mystic gate
eager vigil
#

i just hit 70, and im learning. Is there any build with an easy rotation?

storm onyx
eager vigil
storm onyx
eager vigil
storm onyx
pseudo hamlet
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
hidden crown
#

dps loss?

sefsfsdsdfgds.jpg
#

Was thinking of something single target with IC

cinder geode
#

single target and IC do not go together

#

so it would be a sizable dps loss

hidden crown
#

thx for the advice

frigid pilot
thorn fjord
#

Rag play

#

100% lol

frigid pilot
#

he prob had to go take a shit and didnt wanna say the truth

cinder geode
#

all you have to do is take out IC and 3 points in the bleed=agi talent and you can have a singlet target build

frigid pilot
#

so he died on purpose and left

earnest imp
#

So what can we expect from patch and m+ performance, really gonna be identical?

dark token
#

Ye

#

M+ a lil better

earnest imp
#

Guess it wasn't bad to begin with but ye

#

Somehow had high hopes for the new capstone

brazen zodiac
royal lantern
#

never invite a outlaw pug

#

only prot warrior pugs are worse

marble hemlock
sick monolith
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
cinder geode
#

im not that opposed to it, trading some ST when we have some of the best st in the game for some aoe which we are lacking, doesnt seem terrible

thorn fjord
#

If i wanted aoe i

sick monolith
#

why the hell is raidbots telling me to gem inscribed for unique, but 70haste33crit gems everywhere else

thorn fjord
#

i'll play pirate

cinder geode
#

pirate aoe is boring its just 1 button

thorn fjord
#

🤷‍♂️

subtle tundra
#

😭

#

outlaw aoe is not 1 button

#

🤏🏻

subtle kiln
#

details would disagree with you

subtle tundra
#

stop pretending y'all dont know how the spec works

#

i may hate it but i know how it works

slim hamlet
#

I mean it isnt one button

#

but the thing that makes the rotation deal aoe dmg instead of ST is 1 button

subtle kiln
#

i hit blade furry and continue on pressing what lights up

dreamy gull
#

I just roll my face over the keyboard and when I look back at the screen everything is dead

slim hamlet
#

nah

#

u mixed it with sub aoe

drowsy parcel
#

is kb really 5k behind in .5

#

i dont wanna play cringe dtb

slim hamlet
#

starege Yep

dreamy gull
#

Why are they nerfing kb

slim hamlet
#

They arent

drowsy parcel
#

indirectly they are

slim hamlet
#

Just moved position

dreamy gull
#

I thought both kb and dtb were really close

#

In power level

slim hamlet
slim hamlet
#

they are until next week

#

KB is actually better for most

royal lantern
#

now its in a position that heavy favors DtB

#

so you just take DtB and forget that KB is a thing

slim hamlet
#

DS useless with KB 🙂

dreamy gull
#

Wait is there a full list of changes

slim hamlet
#

yeah

#

search for 10.0.5 class changes wowhead

dreamy gull
#

I need a picture of new talent trees or my brain will slide out my ears

slim hamlet
#

and link does the thing

#

oh

potent python
#

Hi, quick question about sennarth, do you guys know if we can shadowstep during the grip ? watched a lot of videos but never saw anyone doing this, but i heard Max saying that we could so

slim hamlet
#

2 sec

#

this ptr talent calc

drowsy parcel
slim hamlet
subtle kiln
drowsy parcel
#

so you have to do it when after falling a bit

subtle kiln
#

you fall, hit step. don’t move

#

pray a tornado isn’t there

slim hamlet
#

Or hear me out

#

move out of melee for 1.2 seconds

#

and not rng it

potent python
#

oh ok so that's a bit risky ?

subtle kiln
#

gamba

slim hamlet
#

Not really risky but u know

indigo epoch
slim hamlet
#

It just leaves u far behind most of the time

indigo epoch
#

😉

slim hamlet
#

in my experience

potent python
#

oh ok thanks i will try in nm

slim hamlet
#

yea

potent python
#

before going mm haha

slim hamlet
#

When he is at a platform u just ss back to where u were

#

but while he is moving u random shadowstep 22 miles down

dreamy gull
#

Why would they put kingsbane in the same spot at dtb

slim hamlet
#

what else would u do

#

to make dtb able to be picked in double capstone builds

slow marsh
#

nerf amp poison and put dtb where dashing is and move dashing

drowsy parcel
#

buff the shit out of kingsbane, make dtb the subpar choice

slim hamlet
drowsy parcel
#

its supposed to be the easy pick for people who wanna slack, it shouldnt outperform

slim hamlet
#

but only like a small amount of cooked

#

and with no spices

dreamy gull
#

Idk

#

They should do something with twist the knife

slim hamlet
#

and its like when people boil sausages instead of putting them on the grill

slow marsh
#

i mean its off the dome i can come up with better if you want me to think about it

slim hamlet
#

that kind of cooked

cursive frost
#

Just buff our dmg by 4% and call it good

slim hamlet
#

Like less cooked than my minminning builds

slow marsh
#

i think dtb is nice but also shouldn't really be a capstone ability if you ask me

cinder geode
#

twist the knife is such a lazy and undertuned talent

slim hamlet
#

Surely that wont make it op in rasz 🙂

cursive frost
#

Wouldn’t bother me

#

We suck on small adds

slim hamlet
#

M8

#

our burst would be giga

cursive frost
#

Let us burn the fucking boss

slim hamlet
#

omega

#

ultra

slow marsh
#

I think if the answer is to nerf a capstone choice node to where the active is better than the passive then why is the passive a capstone

slim hamlet
#

Yeah I agree KB should be better than DTB

dreamy gull
#

Do I need the fan of knives talents for dungeons

#

Or can I skip them

slim hamlet
#

A passive no thought capstone should never be better than active

#

But thats not often how games are being done

cinder geode
#

apparently a 10.0.7 patch is coming as well hopefully they make more changes

slim hamlet
#

suck it in

royal lantern
#

nerf DtB by 6% and KB is good

slim hamlet
#

huff and puff

oak sky
#

some classes will definitely get changes at .7

#

not necessarily us

slim hamlet
royal lantern
slow marsh
#

I think we'll continue to be tinkered with

dreamy gull
#

They should make shiv apply kingsbane

slim hamlet
#

so

cursive frost
#

It’s just sadge that a st spec like assa can be outdone by a uh dk that can also choose to do massive uncapped aoe

slim hamlet
#

how the fuck do u nerf DTB

dreamy gull
slim hamlet
slow marsh
slim hamlet
#

that aint dtb

#

if u nerf amp u also nerf kb

#

🙂

cursive frost
#

Or even enhance that has solid aoe when built

slow marsh
#

not necessarily

slim hamlet
#

huh

#

ofc u do

slow marsh
#

kb just cares about applications

#

not damage itself

slim hamlet
#

what

#

how is it different

#

if u nerf amp

#

u nerf both capstones

oak sky
#

yeah

#

you do

slow marsh
#

because it nerfs dtb harder

slim hamlet
#

????

dreamy gull
#

I think ass tree is mostly fine as it is rn
Except for twist the knife and intent to kill being shit

slim hamlet
#

how

#

tell me how

slow marsh
#

lol

slim hamlet
#

Unless its because u say we take IP and stuff with DTB

cursive frost
#

Buff kb by 8%

oak sky
#

theres no reason to ever want intent to kill and it doesnt interfere with pathing at all

slow marsh
#

KB increases damage based on poison applications, doesn't care about the amp poison damage itself

dreamy gull
#

Idk I feel like I never see builds taking shadowstep talents

oak sky
#

thats fine

slim hamlet
#

so

slow marsh
#

nerfing amp poison damage nerfs the whole thing, but affects dtb more

oak sky
#

its not a damage choice so you dont need it

slim hamlet
#

How does that make a difference

#

its not like it reduces amp dmg

#

just because u dont need amp dmg for kb stuff

#

that actually makes 0 sence

slow marsh
#

you're making no sense lol

slim hamlet
#

So

#

Tell me again

cinder geode
#

make dtb reduce poison application chance and replace tiny toxic blade, but kb back in old spot

slow marsh
#

you asked how to nerf dtb. i told you a way to inadvertently nerf it and now your brain doesn't work

slim hamlet
#

Take a talent that does same dmg with KB and with DTB

cinder geode
#

class fixed game saved

slim hamlet
#

U nerf it

#

Now

#

Is it nerfed the same on KB and DTB

#

Am I hard missing something?

marble hemlock
slim hamlet
#

Seems like we have more ST but bit less aoe right?

oak sky
#

no zoldyck hits aoe pretty hard i think

slim hamlet
#

Yea thought so

#

But feels like current build does - ST dmg

#

So imo it feels good to trade a bit

marble hemlock
#

I dislike the changes a lot. It completely removes build diversity from 2 viable and very different st and m+ builds to one each, with the alternative ones being significantly worse

slim hamlet
marble hemlock
#

No, because you'll be healing the boss

slim hamlet
#

True

marble hemlock
#

We already played KB+IC. AP doesnt add any significant AoE damage

royal lantern
#

like

#

nerf assa

#

4head

marble hemlock
#

It's 5 targets that take 25% more damage for a bit. We suck at 5t cleave.

slim hamlet
slim hamlet
#

Seemed like more aoe but less ST, even tho its a lot less ST for a bit more AOE

#

Sad times then

#

I dont even remember what our current dungeon slice is at, guessing we losing quite a bit aoe tho

marble hemlock
#

We had DTB and KB on st being very different builds with different ideas, now its basically just the same shit with slightly different flavor, and youll either sacrifice execute or the comfort of sbs+ss. Not good.

For AoE, you had DTB with a more st-dps focus, or KB/IC with heavy cooldowns and strong on demand damage and utility. Now you have... Some weirdass mix where you have to swap between Amp and DP constantly (and we no longer have a passive that increases poison cast speed like we did in legion when that was the case the last time around), or you play the old build that does negative boss DPS while giving you barely anything on top of what we already had

slim hamlet
#

Yep

white orchid
#

So we finally get to play double capstone like everyone else and it’s trash? Lol

slim hamlet
#

Def dooming a bit

slow marsh
#

a bit lol

white orchid
#

That’s a little embarrassing lol

slim hamlet
#

The worst thing imo currently is that we dont even have blindside

marble hemlock
#

I don't think its an improvement to the assa toolkit at all, not with the positions of all those talents. AP is hidden behind like 7 different talents that do absolutely nothing for bleed damage (besides zoldyck ig), while the pathing to kb/dtb is dramatically better for one of those 2choice nodes. While that's ultimately just a numbers-tuning issue, i dont like the general idea behind it

hidden crown
slim hamlet
#

Will feel so bad on bosses

oak sky
#

if you look at a lot of the other trees they just have multiple st and aoe options all over the place

peak basin
#

Clicking ambush feels so good, I'm bummed.

restive sparrow
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
oak sky
#

like in the aff lock capstones like every talent has an aoe and an st option on the choice nodes

slim hamlet
#

So

#

wtf is the change for

#

Raid players dooming

#

m+ players dooming

#

pvp players dont exist

oak sky
#

presumably to let us get multiple capstones as a feel change

slim hamlet
#

so def not them

slow marsh
#

it was an attempt to add support for cleave but its not being implemented too well

oak sky
#

the problem is mostly in the execution

slim hamlet
oak sky
slim hamlet
#

Which makes sence, but not really

marble hemlock
#

we now get multiple capstones that basically have no synergy with one another (except ic+AP and even that has different targetcaps and it skips every single st talent in the book)

ionic fox
#

Sin is already nerfed to shit what are we talking about here?

oak sky
slim hamlet
#

Man I am rerolling surv hunter

#

cba

oak sky
#

3 point nodes and single capstone were big points of contention

slim hamlet
oak sky
#

but now we have a lot of people enjoying kb+ic

#

and a lot of stuff has come up

slim hamlet
#

But if the whole tree is fuckd without the 3 pointers, just keep em at this point

marble hemlock
#

assa rn is in a very good spot both in raids and in m+. i simply dont quite understand why we needed drastic changes to our spec tree. the few things that really irk me are still there

slim hamlet
#

and make a whole tree rework in a later patch than a fixup imo

oak sky
#

i still think it would be nice to be able to get multiple capstones

#

but i was reasonably content with the state of the spec tree before

slim hamlet
slow marsh
# oak sky lol what

It seems like they were trying to kill 2 birds with one stone and address the 2x capstone thing but also add support for cleave since that's something that seems to pop up consistently as well. Is that wrong?

oak sky
#

i think the new iteration has some interesting ideas but it also limits our builds and shit in a way thats less fun

marble hemlock
#

thats not what people complained about

thorn fjord
#

They complained about exsang lol

marble hemlock
#

people didnt give a shit about dtb+IC cuz zoldyck outperformed it anyway

thorn fjord
#

Still do

#

People always gonna complain about something

slim hamlet
marble hemlock
#

people complained about 2 things: not having access to the power fantasy of dtb+kb together, and exsang. the changes dont improve either of those.

slow marsh
#

tbf exsang isn't that big of an issue though its a single talent on the side

slim hamlet
#

I think exsang is fine as a 3 min

oak sky
#

dont settle lol

slim hamlet
#

cba doing it every 45 sec tho

thorn fjord
#

Stockholme syndrome has taken full effect on me with Exsang

oak sky
#

we can get something better than exsang

thorn fjord
#

Def not that bad

oak sky
#

and we will

slim hamlet
#

I mean

#

big numbers is nice

#

I like big numbers

oak sky
slim hamlet
#

and exsang makes big numbers fast

oak sky
#

we can get big numbers with a better ability

#

its just a fact

marble hemlock
#

in temrs of raid, we'Ll all just play the boring ass dtb build now. cool i guess. wont impact DPS a lot, will impact game enjoyment. i liked kb and blasting in execute. was fun while it lasted.

slim hamlet
marble hemlock
#

in terms of m+, i dont see how any of this is an improvement

slim hamlet
#

just buff KB by 30%

thorn fjord
#

Lose Exsang... remove TTB and give us back normal TB 😛

marble hemlock
#

youll play some scuffed as fuck dtb+ic build that doesnt take any poison nodes cuz you dont have the points for it

#

just so you can still do decent ST

slim hamlet
oak sky
#

new wild take

nimble tartan
#

no execute :o

oak sky
#

nerf kingsbane by half

nimble tartan
#

wtf…

oak sky
#

but put it as a point right under dtb

#

above i mean

#

then have dtb on a choice node with your kb exploding on the last tick

slow marsh
#

na put kb under

oak sky
#

to do big aoe

drowsy parcel
#

delete dtb

slow marsh
#

oh

#

nvm

marble hemlock
#

so unless theres some secret shadowdance AP bleed tech out there for ST

slow marsh
#

yeah that is better

slim hamlet
#

So basically we are back at it again, the change hurts all players in a negative way, and the only reason is because the tree sucked from the start with 3 pointers that didn't get changed and now we trying to slowly get down from there, but without actually just reworking the tree completely

marble hemlock
#

this is just... not good, imo. just one mans opinion, of course.

royal lantern
#

🙂

slow marsh
#

I think a lot of the pain is pathing still

slim hamlet
#

That sounded very dooming, but just trynna understand what is going on here

drowsy parcel
#

it removes build diversity, of course its not good

#

its fucking horrendous

slow marsh
slim hamlet
#

AP prob has the weirdest position of any talent in all the trees I know of

thorn fjord
#

Most people hate having options tho no?

#

lol

slow marsh
#

i mean in the past sure i guess

#

i feel like new expanded talent system should have options

slim hamlet
#

Huh

oak sky
#

part of the problem is binary st/aoe i think

slim hamlet
#

what u mean in the past

#

people used to hate options?

oak sky
#

you can never take points past shrouded in st

#

so ic has to be strong enough to be basically must take for aoe to ever be useful

thorn fjord
#

Hot take but i dont mind Sin being an ST class and having the separate identities for AE and ST

oak sky
#

then that locks up a bunch of aoe points that give you no st in keys, and also gives you less choice with your other points

slow marsh
#

at all

marble hemlock
#

the problem i have with AP is that its position makes no sense to me. i get the idea of having it behind TTB, i get that its supposed to serve as a "cleave" alternative on the left-hand side, opposite of IC. but it just doesnt work, imo. 20% amp for 8seconds isnt a meaningful number, unless you pair it with all the bleed stuff on the other side, and at that point your talent point economy is in the dumpster

slim hamlet
#

And this isnt a thing anyways

ionic fox
slim hamlet
#

Also I used wrong word, its not like we arent viable

#

u know what I mean

thorn fjord
#

yeah @slim hamlet

white orchid
#

They should just make all the 3 point nodes 2 points not just dashing

spice spire
#

Doomer channel

slim hamlet
slow marsh
marble hemlock
#

like

#

idk

thorn fjord
slim hamlet
hidden crown
#

you cant go middle capstone and DTB?

oak sky
thorn fjord
slow marsh
hidden crown
#

Oh I meant the left one

slim hamlet
#

I like the idea of AP + IC more tbh

marble hemlock
#

and its not even a bad pathing issue anymore at this point. its just having synergistic talents on opposite ends of the tree (i already complained about that in alpha/beta, how ct/fok on the left side and IC on the right side make things incredibly awkward)

slow marsh
#

Poison bomb -> dashing -> AP makes more sense than how they're doing it now

slim hamlet
#

Just seems like a much more enjoyable build

white orchid
#

Wouldn’t it help to have the other 3 point nodes be 2 points as well

marble hemlock
#

not really

slim hamlet
#

Still no blindside tho

thorn fjord
#

the 1 point removal of dashing is a nerf right?

#

Or are they changing the values to adjust

slow marsh
#

i think it's getting evened out

slim hamlet
thorn fjord
#

Ah ok

slim hamlet
#

think its actually small buff?

#

very small if any

oak sky
misty holly
#

Pretty much every other talent choice in the bottom tier is stronger than dashing.

#

So freeing that point up is good

slow marsh
oak sky
#

like theres elements that make sense

#

but really the bottom section is sort of a mess

slow marsh
#

AP is bleed but it's also applying shiv to 5 targets so its mixed technically

oak sky
#

you get solid execute in the left side

slim hamlet
#

I mean I have no idea what they should do

oak sky
#

but then you get 2 shiv talents

slim hamlet
#

A full rework of tree is the only thing I can see

#

The tree is just so weird

oak sky
#

and the middle is part envenom part poisons

#

the right is all bleeds but most of them are aoe only

thorn fjord
#

We arent getting a full rework unfortunately

slow marsh
#

just keep left poisons, right bleeds, middle mixed

oak sky
#

left isnt really poisons at all though

#

the only real poison thing there is kb

slim hamlet
#

There is no sides that is anything

slow marsh
#

i know it's not but it could be

hidden crown
slim hamlet
#

its all mixed around everywhere

slow marsh
#

yeah it is

marble hemlock
slim hamlet
#

The side that made most sence was KB side

oak sky
#

imo left should be all about execute

slim hamlet
#

Now there is a random cleave capstone at the end

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

I guess ttb makes sence with it

marble hemlock
#

iirc hte numbers on st in full bis were like

#

AP+IC ~70k, DTB+IC ~80k

balmy condor
#

Ye

marble hemlock
#

and aoe difference is minimal

slim hamlet
#

that ST?

#

oh yea it is

hidden crown
thorn fjord
#

Get rid of TTB and bring back real TB

balmy condor
#

It’s like a 10-11% loss in single target for a 5% gain across most cleave/aoe

misty holly
#

What about DTB + AP?

slim hamlet
#

Shit man

#

kinda dooming harder and harder

balmy condor
slim hamlet
#

Can we talk about our 2d women crushes again?

oak sky
#

its just a big identity crisis

#

that always existed

#

its just more obvious now that things are shifting

gusty mirage
slow marsh
#

our identity is a constant state of identity crisis he already said

thorn fjord
#

Toxic gamers

white orchid
#

Poisoned trashcans

drowsy parcel
slim hamlet
#

Damn

marble hemlock
#

like no joke, i think assa rn is great. could it be better? sure. was the last set of nerfs unnecessary? yeah. do we need(ed) sweeping changes? hell nah.

balmy condor
#

With a big hhhhh at the front

slim hamlet
#

Imagine if us (the bleed/poison class) had a talent like sub one that applies rupture to 2 targets instead of 1

oak sky
hidden crown
slim hamlet
#

imagine if we had that earlier in the tree instead of exsang

slow marsh
#

I agree we don't need sweeping changes, just some stuff re-arranged in talent tree pathing i think

thorn fjord
slim hamlet
#

so we can take the cleave useless capstone and get an actual capstone

#

because now we got some more cleave

hidden crown
royal lantern
white orchid
#

Just revert the %5 aura nerf we got a few weeks back lol

royal lantern
#

its weird

slim hamlet
#

or what u wanna call it

oak sky
#

it should just be more clear what each part of the tree is for

#

right side is the most clear i think

#

bleed/aoe

thorn fjord
#

I'm willing to bet not too many hours