assassination

[gusty mirage]

go with whatever's cheaper, cuz you'll eventually remove it

[strange python]

Yeah I tried simming them all together but couldn’t really figure it out. I suppose I could do it just one at a time

[gusty mirage]

I think r3 fangs are cheap af rn too

[strange python]

ya on us-thrall they were like 6k ish

dirt cheap

[dreamy gull]

did i do this right
(ik this is low stakes im just trying to make sure my rotation is more or less correct)

[gusty mirage]

it's just 8% for both

so each is roughly 4%

2pc affect is 4ish% and 4pc is a bit stronger

[strange python]

use shiv off cd if u arent kb (dont think i saw it on ur bars)

[strange python]

gotcha, thx

[magic vine]

if you save each tree loadout in game, when you import into raidbots you can just select each tree at the bottom and then run it

[dreamy gull]

would u ever use cheap shot in dungeons btw

or is it just a pvp thing mostly

[strange python]

eh you have to use vanish for it

[magic vine]

theres some edge case stuff technically where some mobs can be stunned out of a cast but not interrupted, but sin uses vanish for big damage so the chances of your stealth lining up with that are really small

[strange python]

yeah

i just have a macro with kick n kidney shot for stuff

[royal lantern]

imagine moving as a rogue

and not just shadowstep

[strange python]

and torrent too

[gusty mirage]

yeah until you realize shadowstep puts you to the right of the boss

super helpful as the boss is going UP stairs

to the LEFT

[royal lantern]

shadowstep the mage

[gusty mirage]

unlucky they're arcane and in melee range

what now

[magic vine]

figure out the most responsible member of your raid, and make an extra shadowstep button targeting them

[gusty mirage]

I trust none of them

[royal lantern]

shadowstep the healer priest, cus for some reason they have the lowest mobility ingame but still managed to do movment mechanics, meanwhile your mages have no blink charges and die

🙂

[ebon notch]

you fought dathea yet?

[gusty mirage]

have you fought me? after school at the flag pole?

[ebon notch]

yes

it was very erotic

[gusty mirage]

who won

[ebon notch]

we both did

[viscid spear]

I'm Frost and I skim the very back part of the area

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[gusty mirage]

I don't raid with you

also trusting a mage

is never a good idea

[ebon notch]

true

[viscid spear]

But Quake does

[ebon notch]

"ye sry had to 360 no scope blink alter time ice block jump off the platform then get gripped back on mb"

[gusty mirage]

evoker may have gotten the DH rotation for ranged, but mages got DH brain for ranged

[viscid spear]

Had someone go afk and put me on /follow while we went up the stairs to Broodkeeper

[royal lantern]

evokers still try to use rescue

that gives them SOME awarness

[spice spire]

Tier check

[strange python]

[spice spire]

19/20

18/20*

[viscid spear]

[pliant grail]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[next edge]

Nope

[pseudo hamlet]

How are you guys doing Dathea? Just full ST or CT+FoK for the adds on the platforms?

[royal lantern]

heroic or mythic?

[turbid heath]

guys

4 set - but only way of getting it is from the helm slot - do I drop cowl for 4 set?

[gusty mirage]

yes

without a doubt

[spice spire]

4% > 1.2%

[turbid heath]

rogeridoodily

[shut owl]

on heroic I still just go full ST. FoK to build CP, but just bleed everything there while tunneling the big guy. the little adds will die to ruptures probably

[slow marsh]

so i'm assuming i should wait until i get tier before i get a cowl crafted then

[turbid heath]

tytytyty

[gusty mirage]

less problematic with catalyst coming out next week

but yeah

[shut owl]

you might as well craft cowl since you can make tier next week?

[gusty mirage]

friendly reminder that you can't catalyze crafted gear

gl hf out there

[shut owl]

I meant you make cowl, catalyze whatever m+ gear for the other tier slots

thats where I'm at anyways

[strange python]

for our heroic dathea kill we only had 1 dk so i had to scuff it up and go iron wire to silence all the little fucks lMFAO

peak goonery going on in that kill

[cursive frost]

Toxic

[royal lantern]

why are you up there

as assa

like, you should not even do platforms

[gusty mirage]

wdym why

you think we're raiding with bdgg or liquid bro?

lmao

[royal lantern]

dathea platforms as assa

just gaslight your RL to stay on boss

ez

[spice spire]

Brother I had to do diurna adds week one

[pseudo hamlet]

both?

[gusty mirage]

ideally you stay main platform and dps boss

but no I wouldn't play CT

once other dps figure their shit out

its not worth

[pseudo hamlet]

Understandable

[gusty mirage]

early prog I can see it working out

just to see more of the fight

[keen spruce]

I started rebelling like 3 weeks ago and just quit going to the platforms regardless of group assignment

[strange python]

cuz we had no other way to deal with the adds easily than to aoe silence on my end

sometiems groups just need to adjust and u get cucked

wcyd

[keen spruce]

dps went up by like 9k

[strange python]

prog > logs

the real cuck mentality

[keen spruce]

what do you mean no other way

u got 25 boomkins not running beam?

[strange python]

idr what the discussion around our boomy was

they just decided to cuck me

was very sad

[keen spruce]

we don't even send out only UH dk up

just melee kicks and kill everything

[strange python]

i think its cuz some of our dps dont like kicking

so we use scuffed ways to group em together

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/despair-angry-gif-4859976

[strange python]

at one point we had shammies tornadoing some in to stack

LMFAo

[velvet haven]

doing platforms with dathea

u just need to be with the dk

and fish for PB

but yea on farm u shouldn't be up top at least

[strange python]

i do what my rl says

and then grumble when they say my dps is low

[velvet haven]

tell him the rogue discord says fix it or we fix it ourselves

[strange python]

[solemn marsh]

!logs

[jaunty gulch]

so im in a weird spot where I have the Heroiv fire proc ring but no way to proc fire damage

[gusty mirage]

yeah tbh a lot of RLs underestimate people's willingness to sacrifice single target damage to giga pad on adds

[royal lantern]

they will all tell you how its 80% dps lost to skill beam

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

or 90%

or even 140%

[jaunty gulch]

I will get flaring cowl with next weeks spark

but the question I wanna ask is if I should be farming the whelping trinket

[royal lantern]

the "how much dmg does balance druid lose for running solar beam" numbers just gets higher each week

[jaunty gulch]

current gear (Trinkets are 408 boon/ 402 box)

[gusty mirage]

is it up to 25% now?

crazy

it was originally 15%

man what the dif 2 weeks makes

[strange python]

i thought they went from losing 420% dps to 690%

[cursive frost]

I told my boomkin he isn’t invited to keys without it lol

[strange python]

i remember now our boomy said he lost a fuck ton for taking solar beam and they made me talent into iron wire for it

LMAO

so i was stuck with a shit ass build

[gusty mirage]

I asked for a #

and they gave me "a shit ton"

I'm like oh okay

sounds good

[strange python]

force them to sim it

[gusty mirage]

no its fine

I told them they don't need to take beam

just like I don't need to kick

or take tricks

[strange python]

[cursive frost]

Feint is also a dps loss, take it off the bar

[royal lantern]

the words of our balance druid that skilled beam, to the balance druid that didnt skill it because ITS A 8% DPS LOST: "just do it, 8% of nothing is still nothing"

[gusty mirage]

ripped aggro off the tank?

unlucky

[spice spire]

The only kick I take is kicking them out of group

Amen

[gusty mirage]

better hope he has taunt

[strange python]

amen

[gusty mirage]

I had to drop tricks for nimble fingers so I can get 11 dps

by saving energy on vial & feint

[lament warren]

it is a ridiculous amount of dps for boomkin tbf

[royal lantern]

you skill feint?

you lose a SHIT TON of dmg

[lament warren]

they’re fixing it in .0.5

[dry dagger]

Best spec for Rasz HC?

[gusty mirage]

kingsbane

until tuesday

[lament warren]

sub

[gusty mirage]

then not kingsbane

[strange python]

is hould really learn sub at some point

[dry dagger]

I should too

[gusty mirage]

yea usually a good idea to get comfy with 2 of the 3 specs

just in case they try repeating old mistakes

[dry dagger]

I'm comfy with Sin and Outlaw

[gusty mirage]

and deleting one because of a boss fight

then you're fine

[dry dagger]

You reckon Outlaw or Kingsbane on Rasz?

[lament warren]

kingsbane and sub

[gusty mirage]

whatever you enjoy the most tbh

[lament warren]

i know not relevant but we’ve talked abt it a bit recently

i think after nerfs just solidifies sub as the best spec for m

ig not nerfs

but kingsbane dtb was really fucking good

and atm p1 damage doesn’t matter nearly as much

you hold anyway

[royal lantern]

10pulls in terros

and i noticed

i didnt put atrophic on my weapons

:)))

[gusty mirage]

yeah?

5 pulls of kurog

I realized I was running deadly and not amp

[royal lantern]

wait

[lament warren]

in my friends guild 15 pulls of terros

[royal lantern]

i said atrohpic

i mean amp

[marble hemlock]

i was playing deadly on kurog

instead of amp

[lament warren]

i was wondering why i was going 2-3k below other rogue

[marble hemlock]

and played TTK instead of amp

[lament warren]

no amp

[gusty mirage]

I dropped the CT dream

[marble hemlock]

yeah we needed add dmg so

[gusty mirage]

I honest to god didn't see any parts of the fight change

[marble hemlock]

DP was better

think if youre fine on add dam

you just go amp

[gusty mirage]

our last add

was at like 40%

just by natural cleave

lol

[marble hemlock]

ye

[gusty mirage]

honestly all speccing CT did

was clean up the small adds a little faster

so now I ST tunnel the boss

and hope everyone else does their job

should die tonight though

[primal hound]

how much extra DR is shiv with atrophic?

[strange python]

are the adds in m kurog that much worse?

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

none

that interaction was removed

[primal hound]

oh okay thanks

[green apex]

I didnt see any mention of the sepsis changes in the pins (sorry if I missed it) - this looking potentially hot or doa?

[gusty mirage]

all sepsis gives you is an improved garrote, vs sbs which is a cheap builder & gives a lethal dose stack

so it's mostly a "meh" change

because sepsis is an awful ability

[green apex]

Word. Thanks!

[chilly viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[storm forum]

on spiteful fort weeks or when playing with a tank that likes to chain pull or any other circumstance you dont think you can get restealths, sepsis could be a consideration so you can get more iron wire spread with IC

[magic eagle]

I’ve been getting higher results in sims and irl using the top dtb build Puu has on his spreadsheet vs what is listed in the faq. Anyone else seeing that? It’s an exsang build.

Fuu^^

[gusty mirage]

think of the faq builds like "starter" builds

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

kingsbane + exsang w/ puzzle box is top dog rn

[storm forum]

the builds are very close and having different trinkets or stat spreads could affect them to be slightly better or worse for you

[gusty mirage]

if you don't have puzzle box, dtb bleed + exsang will be better

[royal lantern]

man

[magic eagle]

I do have puzzle box

[royal lantern]

going from #6 dps to #1 dps

cus i actually put amp poison on

hidden strat

[storm forum]

[magic vine]

2p with box made the dtb bleed build best for me on sin

[gusty mirage]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJSCiQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAASQaOQJJkkkkWIikQiEJJB

sim this talent string

[magic eagle]

But just curious as to why they are different. Perhaps just outdated. Will do.

[gusty mirage]

well the faq graphics and such are a little oldish

[lament warren]

i sandbag by not farming puzzle box to justify playing sub

[magic vine]

its just tons of slight gear differences can make different setups swing one way or the other

[gusty mirage]

and the most up to date builds, etc are usually in the spreadsheets

[storm forum]

thanks for reminding me to upgrade my puzzle box

[gusty mirage]

cause its easier to just slap them in a google doc than update the graphics, etc

[magic vine]

easier to just remind people to sim a small pile of builds than try to setup all the situations where one build is better/worse

also more accurate

[slow marsh]

i have to admit i enjoy the kb exsang opener way more than dtb

im sad to see it go

[limber lion]

Yep

Enjoy it while you still can

[slow marsh]

i am

hopefully they can bring it back somehow later

[strange python]

oh i also wanted to ask, since exsang snapshots, what haste buffs do we have to consider

pi/lust? anything else?

[slow marsh]

its mostly mastery stuff

not haste this go around

[tall atlas]

so cam o KB after DM

can i

[slow marsh]

ye

[tall atlas]

cool cool

thats fine

ruup and garrote cool after too?

[oak sky]

Mastery doesnt snapshot tho

[slow marsh]

ino

[oak sky]

Haste is still pretty good

[slow marsh]

i mean we have mastery stuff to play around this time not really any haste toys like flag n such

[oak sky]

Like if you were getting pi/lust you would prefer to press exsang after getting the buff

[lament warren]

i don’t think he was talking to that guy

i think he was finishing his statement

and that guy just happened to speak in the middle

[dry dagger]

For Rasz do you go Kingsbane with Indiscriminate Carnage or just reg Kingsbane?

[lament warren]

ic is banned

just kb

[dry dagger]

Kk

[strange python]

or as @lament warren would say, go sub

[modest glen]

Does anyone have a more fight specific list of assa builds? For example for council, kurog and rasz. Or even different kinds of m+ builds

[magic eagle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[magic eagle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[storm forum]

i think there's a spcific IC council build, but idk the others

[lament warren]

i would say that

sub owns

[modest glen]

So for council i guess just take the 4target cleave build in fuu spreadsheet

[next edge]

Doing 70k with exsang on sennarath @gusty mirage

getting really used to this shit

[weak horizon]

do different embellishment ranks ahve different amounts of dmg?

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[storm forum]

probably, although a build I saw didn't take KB or Tea, i dont remember exactly what for though, probably second point in lethality and SS

[strange python]

yeah, but best simming embellishments rn are lariat/cowl, if you use fang or bronze wrapped grips, just buy 3*, they're both relatively cheap

[gusty mirage]

they do not, all they affect is crafting difficulty

[magic eagle]

I did sim about 500dps higher simming the build you showed me. This is vs the top build fuu and whispyr both have on their spreadsheets for DTB. But the best dtb build string in the faq appears to be outdated slightly different from the spreadsheets and results in a lower sim for me. Just looking like it’s a little off and I was curious.

That said I greatly appreciate all the information the writers put out for us

[gusty mirage]

yeah its just a lot to keep track of for them

so sometimes stuff just slips through the cracks in regard to the faq

[magic eagle]

I was thinking the same thing. I’ve had a lot of success using the info here, so I did want to see what was said about it to make sure I wasn’t missing something.

[weak horizon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

can't wait to see you in here posting your parses and damage screenshots

you're gonna farm those parses

[strange python]

Since when do you do friendly and encouraging?

[gusty mirage]

always

unless its daps or agreon

then it's my moral duty to bully them

[strange python]

😦 I'm not allowed to bully

[oak sky]

All i do is put out love

All i recieve is hate

[gusty mirage]

its true

agreon is the nicest person to me

and I'm so fucking mean to him for absolutely no reason

[keen spruce]

oxi like the friendly aunt that bakes you cookies and encourges u to do your best.

whispyr like the cranky war vet uncle that tells u to get a job

[pseudo hamlet]

Which trinkets from M+ are good for raiding mostly? Hunger of a Pack + Algeth'ar Puzzle Box?

[keen spruce]

[gusty mirage]

puzzle box, and then one of: hunger, horn of valor, ruby whelp shell (fully trained, takes a week), whestone pretty dece too

[pseudo hamlet]

HoV 415 sims for me worse than 376 Shikaari Huntress' Arrowhead...

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

doubt it

[gusty mirage]

link sim

[limber lion]

link sim

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[keen spruce]

whetstone actually kinda slaps in ST. lil walmart grieftorch

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

you're the cuter spiderman tho

hands down

[magic eagle]

If this was directed at me, I certainly thank you for that and for just being helpful if not 🙂 Thank you!

[subtle tundra]

another week of reclear

[limber lion]

Yeah? Well you're the one with a massive hog

[subtle tundra]

still 2x normal mode tier

i love

this game

wasnt even allowed to roll for first boss finger

[pseudo hamlet]

It's different that I've got new ring. Though still kinda weird that this Arrowhead 376 is > 392 Puzzle Box:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qztJ6Eb5M1uxM6e6XXmWUs

[keen spruce]

my guild gave mine to a rogue that doesn't use flaring cowl cuz it was a .4% upgrade for them

[modest glen]

Because of no exsang i believe, it makes the difference for puzzle box

[gusty mirage]

it was

[next edge]

We are constantly getting

to 25% of Sennarath

in 20ish pulls

so pretty happy tbh

[limber lion]

Yeah take Exsang and Puzzle Box now beats the 415 horn instead.

[supple snow]

guys you unrelated to assa, what the fuck are we supposed to do on last boss in NO ?

[next edge]

It took me 2 days to get used to exsang

[keen spruce]

we starting spoody tonight

[next edge]

but it was worth the 3k extra dps

[supple snow]

static spear one shots through everything

[next edge]

i see on my meters

[limber lion]

Puzzle is great with KB as well

[dreamy gull]

I shouldn't pop kb on trash right

[slow marsh]

Why not

[dreamy gull]

Idk I don't wanna waste it

[slow marsh]

It's only 1 min. Even if you are gonna pull with it on CD it's not that long to wait 30s

Go for it

[limber lion]

It's only wasted if you don't get full value out of it

Honestly holding is a bigger waste most of the time anyways

[slow marsh]

Faster trash is faster raid

[limber lion]

KB is fun

[slow marsh]

Wowzerz

[limber lion]

2 more weeks.

[strange python]

my guild gave it to a marks hunter

[balmy condor]

Hi new rogue, do we vanish for ma when playing kb

[strange python]

i almost quit the game

[limber lion]

duh that's why I crit so much!!

[burnt star]

Hi. New rogue. Do i use dagger as mh?

[slow marsh]

no

[strange python]

no

[next edge]

[slow marsh]

use a sword fist mace or axe

[strange python]

use wand

[burnt star]

But my log says i do 1000 dps

[strange python]

dont listen to that other guy

[burnt star]

Halp

[next edge]

Hey guys im new to rogue on pet battles

do i bleed the enemy pet?

[strange python]

hey guys i havent played in a while, what do i equip in the ranged slot? a bow still?

[burnt star]

Do u play kb over the dtb bleed or that was just a 1 time?

[thorny pond]

dn

[limber lion]

KB always

because I like it more and it sims higher for me

[slow marsh]

my city league team name is dn ballers

[burnt star]

What about kurog

[slow marsh]

are you proud

[limber lion]

The build that's flying around using KB + CT + Exsang is pretty good

[burnt star]

Same build or one with ct

[limber lion]

Just sim yourself on 2t with all the possibilities

[burnt star]

Ya. Thats what i was going for

[limber lion]

DTB simmed higher for me back on prog, but probs not anymore

[burnt star]

We got to 3% yesterday

We dont ct on s.t part tho right

Like when add is dead

[slow marsh]

did the 'keep ct up outside of shiv on st' phase out or are we still doing that

[balmy condor]

Still a thing

[subtle tundra]

@balmy condor what are the results of the apl fun

[slow marsh]

cool

[balmy condor]

Arguably better now

[balmy condor]

Haven’t fully looked into all of it

[burnt star]

U were answering the " ct on s.t" outside of shiv?

[slow marsh]

ye

[balmy condor]

Yes

[burnt star]

Thx

Thats what i wanted to know

[slow marsh]

i figured

[burnt star]

I was doing it. But wasnt sure

[simple gulch]

i feel like im doing something really on sin, I just did terros and the other rogue outdps'd me as an outlaw

[misty holly]

Whelp I got my 402 Ruby Shell trained up to 5 lob and 1 shot. Just ran a dungeon with it to see how it looks. 1.2% damage on lobs, 0.2% on shots.

Uhh this is pretty bad.

[simple gulch]

Can someone help me?

[thorny pond]

!logs @simple gulch

[royal lantern]

@slim hamlet terros down

it was a pull where i exsanged my DM

ofc

watching the sub rogues rupture doing the same dmg as mine feels fine blizzard

🙂

[balmy condor]

It’s a 402 shell with lob training, did you expect some giga 10% trinket?

[misty holly]

I trained it specifically to use in dungeons, hoping it would be decent aoe

[frigid pilot]

some giga brain scientists wanna explain why outlaw is better on terros than sin, when sin sims way higher

[balmy condor]

Lot of Outlaw one tricks

[slow marsh]

uhhh cuz outlaw is easier idk

[misty holly]

Lob actually hit less than shot according to details, which seems wrong. Unless they all proced on single target. Guess I retrain it to shot.

[frigid pilot]

ok so its more about their choice of spec as opposed to sins having to do mechanics mid burst or sumth right

[royal lantern]

like 90% of rogue players are people that play outlaw for m+

and can only play yahtzee pirate

[misty holly]

69k lobs, 79k shots.

[slow marsh]

sims and real performance are very different things. I guess it'd be more alarming if sin was way underperforming but its just under so that's fine

[balmy condor]

Lob is Split damage

[frigid pilot]

cus i sim 4k higher as sin rn but wondering if i should outlaw

[brazen zodiac]

👍

[slow marsh]

which are you more comfy on

play that one

[balmy condor]

Do you play 4k higher as sin?

[frigid pilot]

not on giga mechanic bosses

[balmy condor]

Good thing terros is a snooze fest then

[frigid pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kMHkFb64Ff3hnnoF7bcGoe sin profile

outlaw https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jaXkSHjs4HqeMfnbMWFgXH

obvi add 800 dps for the ring valor upg

[errant fable]

Would anybody happen to know what is and isn't on the GCD for assassination?

[royal lantern]

tea

[slow marsh]

whichever one you're more comfortable on. sims are only worth as well as you play

[royal lantern]

cloak

thats it lol

[slow marsh]

channel trinkets

I'm still not used to DM being on gcd tbh. Keep smashing it wondering why it's not going off

[brazen zodiac]

true

[spice spire]

Skill issue tbh

[brazen zodiac]

also true

[strange python]

lmfao

[royal lantern]

@gusty mirage help me prepare mentaly for spoder skating funtime

[strange python]

put on some skates

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-drop-skating-caída-ice-skating-gif-20827400

[lament warren]

get skatin bud

[strange python]

become canadian

[frigid pilot]

@vestal wren @balmy condor is there an easy way for a pleb to count the weight of killtime on a parse as opposed to misplay/gear/other factors

[lament warren]

use brain

[misty furnace]

[lament warren]

4min 25 good

4min bad

1 min good

2 min bad

10 min good

11 min bad

etc

your dps is highest at cd peaks

and your dps is lowest at the furthest point away from your cd

[frigid pilot]

this is mostly a sin issue right

[lament warren]

and lust

[frigid pilot]

outlaw/sub suffer less

[lament warren]

yeah

[frigid pilot]

mhmm

[lament warren]

so if it takes about 10 seconds to get deathmark running on pull

and it takes 4 minutes for exsang to line up with dk

dm

and the entire burst window lasts about 20 seconds

adding them all together 4:30 can be an insanely good kill time

8 mins 30 can also be good

but we take into account that it is 4 minutes further from lust

so it’s worse than 4:30

[frigid pilot]

also, if its a low% wipe is it worth to use the compare tool anyways?

[lament warren]

yeah just segment both logs before everyone died

with the zoom feature

[next edge]

best spider pull 9%

not bad tbh

[glass root]

Guys , I want to make my 418 dagger which embelishment do i aim for , Fang or Wrapping ( i hear bronze wrapping is kinda useless )

[lament warren]

none

[balmy condor]

Neither

[lament warren]

lariat and something else

put alchemical food thing on weapon

since you play it all specs

[glass root]

the one that persists through death ?

so like we can only use 3 embelishment one is lariat , other one is food , whats the last one

[balmy condor]

You can only use 2, those would be lariat and flaring cowl

The food one doesn’t count as an embellishment

[strange python]

Then you get a 421/424 from vault

[lament warren]

that’s a w

[slim hamlet]

Huh

I thought u stalked me

We just killed terros 1 hour before u @ me

[chrome peak]

So what are the 10.0.5 assassin changes?

[dark token]

me rn

:(

my gear so high ilvl i cant wear flavor pocket

first world problems

[balmy condor]

Pins

[chrome peak]

Okie, thank you! ^^

[surreal fractal]

4 academies in a row this afternoon. Is there any other way to get puzzle box other than AA or vault?

[deep totem]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bz2DgxQK1vehUVu2c8z9YR

[dark token]

yes

[toxic burrow]

Just realized that even though I pumped in our HTerros ( I know, heroic means nothing now) kill last night, it could have looked much better if the team wasn't sloppy. fight ended at 3:58 Don't know what happened there, but our ranged and several melee dropped the ball with gray parses despite being hella geared. ._.

[dark token]

what do you think

[surreal fractal]

Oh sweet what are the other methods?

[burnt star]

No need to gigabrain. Terros killtime is horrible for us 2min burst user
As people get more gear. The fight lenght get shorter and shorter and its a few sec before our burst. So we gonna be at the lowest point
Law doesnt have that issue.

[burnt star]

Engi battle res bracer doesnt count as embelishment either

[oblique jackal]

i finally got puzzle after 13 AA

[strange python]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tacit oracle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tough gorge]

Class Tree design is just odd. Think it would be more logical to just let rogues go KB + DtB ST, and KB + IC, or DtB + IC for AoE. They think the ST would be too high so you can't pair both, but it's not too difficult to slightly nerf some auras to compensate (KB slightly weaker, Poisons slightly weaker, etc)

[slow otter]

Is Assassination easier to play than Outlaw for a new rogue player? (Not new to WoW just the class)

[tough gorge]

Outlaw is a reactive style, press whats on cooldown as a simple way (there's a bit more to it), assassination requires more maintenance.

[spice surge]

Unless they drastically change how kingsbane work its going to be either OP with DtB or useless without it

[subtle tundra]

wth

[spice surge]

So just keeping them separated allows kingsbane to stay cool and not depend 100% on another talent

[tough gorge]

Currently sims from ptr show the leftside of the tree is not optimal for ST, cleave or big AoE, not great design.

[subtle tundra]

huh

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[oak sky]

Kb slightly weaker

[subtle tundra]

the sims do say ap is ok

(8t and 4t)

[oak sky]

If you could go both they would both have to be like 75% of what they are at best

[tough gorge]

It's behind in every scenario, even worse, you never take KB as well. How is this not designed poorly?

[subtle tundra]

ap is literally better on 4t and 8t

with no apl changing

[slow marsh]

yeah

and apl should change a bit

[tough gorge]

You know what... my mistake lol. I looked at only the dungeonslice

[slow marsh]

so probably more gains

[tough gorge]

didnt scroll to the bottom

[slow marsh]

to be fair i doubt it'll be better than our current kb exsang option but oh well

the homies did help me to realize that at least an attempted change is better than nothing

[tough gorge]

Seems like on packs AP pulls ahead, but is so far behind on ST, that overall dungeons slice has it behind the optimal build. 0.59% is quite negligible also.

[slow marsh]

well here's kind of the thing that i've come to realize

sin is never going to realistically compete at high aoe pulls, and idk if it ever should

the best we should probably hope for is to have an advantage in 3-5 target

which this is an attempt at

[tough gorge]

That's fair. I suspect the assass will do very well on any mythics that have that often, anything like AA then sub should go further ahead.

[crisp badger]

if i post a log can someone take a loot at my dmg and tell me how i can be better, dont look at previous pulls i was literally googling how to play sin

[slow marsh]

we still don't have any real way to compete with sub funnel or outlaw blanket damage so there's still something to be desired as far as payoff in 3-5t goes but yeah

i almost suspect something like taking AP and skipping IC but we'll see what happens

seems counter intuitive but have to figure out some way to make AP work for bosses if we're gonna take it in m+

[tough gorge]

Give it a % dmg reduction for every target it doesn't hit. Outlaw BF has something on a smaller %

[spice surge]

Sub funnel

[tough gorge]

AP hits 5 targets for 100%, or 4 targets for 120%, 3 targets for 140% etc

[slow marsh]

yeah i'd like to see something like that on sin too. we'll see what happens

[tough gorge]

Basically would make every build take AP as it fixes the ST

[slow marsh]

problem is that with that specific iteration it means CT in ST which is pretty generally hated

[tough gorge]

Why would you CT on ST?

[slow marsh]

because ap increases bleed damage

and ct is bleed

[tough gorge]

Well, just do it once, and get the extra 2% bleed bonus

[slow marsh]

and if it was 1 target it'd scale up to whatever

[tough gorge]

not a big deal

dont need to spam it

atleast like aoe rotations

[slow marsh]

well yeah ofc but people still hate that concept

[crisp badger]

where can i read these changes?

[tough gorge]

Whole point of assass is managing bleeds tho lol

[lean fossil]

i like ct in st more than exsang 🙂

[slow marsh]

they view CT as an aoe only ability and should only be taken in aoe / cleave situations and having to use it for ST is cursed

[storm forum]

I like CT in ST

[tough gorge]

You can also just not take it. the % bleed dmg to it from AP might not be worth it if you take something else.

[subtle tundra]

there is not changes

[crisp badger]

i thought they were moving DTB and KB to the same node next reset, i meant those changes, does anyone know what that tree looks like

[lean fossil]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slow marsh]

I will admit with the new flavors of our talent setups people could possibly not mind it as much if it's justified as 'bleed build' but yeah

[autumn valve]

Good evening, I'm looking for an experienced rogue player to analyze my logs and tell me what I'm doing wrong 😦

[slow marsh]

As someone who once advocated for CT in ST, people don't like it

!logs Kady

[zinc frost]

CT is okay in ST, just don’t make me play CT, mfd, with exsanguinated bleeds again

[slow marsh]

idk if mfd ever has a chance anymore with BS + DS being so prominent

Maybe if envenom got some kind of omega damage amp it could come back

[dense herald]

Man CT in ST is enough for me to not want to play assa

Just adds more unnecessary globals imo, already have sbs which is an unnecessary and boring global

[swift dagger]

at least u can press SBS when ur forced outta range so thats something

[runic hinge]

I like pressing sbs cause of the cool javelin throwing animation

[little ivy]

for spider do yall kb every add

[proper tapir]

I don't think Sin does adds. We just put a bleed and say we tried.

[swift dagger]

I would not delay KB, u will lose a cast pretty sure

but im not 100%, I just did spoodey as DTB cuz im preparing myself for KB "nerf"/change next week

[fallen charm]

hey guys

is the council trinket good?

like BiS or nah?

[thorn crater]

At mythic ilvl it's strong unless you get 421 puzzle box from vault I think

[oak sky]

Its like our 3rd or 4th best trinket

Its very competitive

[fallen charm]

I have these

and got the council trinket now

[oak sky]

Yeah make sure you sim everything in patchwerk and dungeonslice

[fallen charm]

I don't wanna keep the council triket if I get a kurog trinket and it is not bis

[rocky wagon]

Very basic question, but can’t find the answer in pinned or any guides… running DTB, which poisons should I be using?

[spice spire]

Amplifying and deadly

[rocky wagon]

Thank you! Been using instant instead of deadly… whoops

[spice spire]

Deadly is just better instant

[weak isle]

!puzzle

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[normal mist]

Boyyyyyyyyyyyys

started progging diurna HC today

LETS GOOOOOOOOO

Doing Egg duty and doing the calls for the eggs aswell

So i was awarded with a fantastic green parse xD

[slow marsh]

grats!

[scenic marlin]

for using the kingsbane exsang build for ST, does mastery value drop off alot?

[slow marsh]

how would it

[scenic marlin]

well just wondered cos mastery seems to have very little value for me but that could also just be puzzle box

just wondered if there was a specific reason

or if its just the way my gear might be

[slow marsh]

like for sims you mean ?

[scenic marlin]

e.g

i looked at what gems to use

its telling me to use crit vers

after simming every single gem

where as when i sim as DTB

its telling me mastery

so just wondered if there was something that maybe caused that, just curiosity reasons really

[slow marsh]

I mean I suppose it could be puzzle box but yeah idk, i'd say link sim and hopefully someone smarter than me can answer

[oblique jackal]

need 2 dps for mythic VOTI- stormrage

[scenic marlin]

if anyones interested then 😛 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qZ2Sx6nNX2mxBChR16mkXg

[true rapids]

someday I will see a grieftorch

[proud salmon]

wait so you wait for deathmark to run out completely before exsang?

[quasi ledge]

Exsang before DM

[proud salmon]

or you can just press it right before dm

[quasi ledge]

Just never inside, as it makes DM tick out faster

[proud salmon]

okay ty

[normal mist]

Question for the chads: From my vault, the best simming item is the current tech HC trinket, followed by a 415 NO trinket and 415 crit mastery ring.
Even tho the trinket sims higher, it can always drop from the grimtotem boss and no one else in my raid team want it, meanwhile i could change my 408 ring for a 415.
I do need some help deciding this xD

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mJUT6NAUAQcuqG1pfQu8n8

Or even the NO trinket.

[balmy condor]

Mastery loses some value because of box, but not because of mastery being worse with exsang

[scenic marlin]

makes sense ^^ thanks whispyr

[peak basin]

If we're playing DTB + IC in 10.0.5, does that mean no room for blindside anymore? 😦 It was so fun

[normal mist]

or anyone really, chads might be sleepin xD

[boreal glacier]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[earnest citrus]

Does your ring come from m+? Cheap valor upgrade if so imo

[boreal glacier]

is CoS Ring + Eranogs Ring our ultimate BiS as sin ?

[earnest citrus]

Whats your 408 ring

[normal mist]

You can check the link i posted above to top tier raid bots

[earnest citrus]

Well, whats your rating? With 2.4k RIO you can get it to 415 for 500 valor I think... or is that kinda out of reach?

[normal mist]

2.2k rn

It isnt out or reach but im not really pushing rating rn, just doing weekly 16's for crafted gear improvements

[earnest citrus]

That should be 411 at least. Maybe reevaluate. On phone now so I'd like to avoid simming.

[normal mist]

i can show you then:

[earnest citrus]

Yeah, that would be optimal

[normal mist]

thats DTB ST raid build

but thats pretty much what im going for

[hybrid crystal]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[earnest citrus]

I would go for trinket. How is the trinket for cleave? I actually don't know for sin.

I mean, of course you can get it mext week in your raid.

But you always take that risk.

ring is only +194, even less whem you make your ring to 411

and probably the same if you push some rating and go for 415

furthermore, arent ""unlimited"" sparks coming soon?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-confused-gif-14450462

[earnest citrus]

Then you can get yourself a 418

[normal mist]

Yeah playing the long game, i dig it

[earnest citrus]

But trinket has to drop

I mean it can and you will be sad, but it is more unlikely to get the trinket before you get an equal/better ring

The trinket is quite good for sin?

Comparison to other raid/m+ trinkets?

[normal mist]

I mean, from raid i obv want grieftorch, but i'm rolling against a bunch of people so that might not happen soon

Meanwhile the 415 trinket in m+ actually sims okay

[earnest citrus]

Yeah, but still, +194 for ring is nothing imo

I'd feel worse taking that regardless

[normal mist]

yeah im not thinking the ring rn, would be the trinket

[earnest citrus]

then again, feel free to wait for some more expertise tomorrow

I am kinda pleb

[balmy condor]

Lord forgive me for what I am about to do

[normal mist]

Nevertheless i appreciate your time, thanks mate!

[royal lantern]

you get 1 warm buttermilk biscuit?

[balmy condor]

yeah, just one

1 warm buttermilk biscuit that comes in a box of 12 warm buttermilk biscuits

[oblique jackal]

!logs

[unreal mesa]

they look like what are called scones?

put butter and jam on them

[slow marsh]

mmmmm making me want to eat that now

[balmy condor]

yeah pretty much

[obtuse latch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

scones are more of a pastry though

biscuits are more bread-y

[unreal mesa]

both delicious

[storm forum]

i want a biscuit and gravy now

too bad the closest cracker barrel is like an hour away from me

[minor valve]

Hey guys! Thanks so much to Whisypr's and all's work on theorycrafting.

My question: I'm noticing that Raidbots is simming a slightly different opener than what's recommended in the FAQ when talented into DTB and Exang. See the indicated area of the screenshot.

Do I follow Raidbots or the FAQ?

[tall atlas]

Closest one to me is like a 8 hour flight

[unreal mesa]

i really want a croissant right now

[tall atlas]

Do you guys do log reviews here?

Tried sim for the first time tonight

Curious to see what I could have done better

[violet jackal]

!log

[woeful meteor]

I'd use the one from the FAQ, doesn't really matter tho, as long as you dont make some big mistake(exsang Deathmark) in the opener. If someone that works on the faq is around he can probably explain to you why the differences exists.

[balmy condor]

faq, sims aren't particularly optimized for openers really

they're good enough

but they just follow normal logic

[minor valve]

Thank you! 😃

[strange python]

Anyone using Cevs plater profile?

It's doing some funky shit

Getting absolutely obliterated with error messages in chat, and it's forcing friendly nameplates back on every 15 seconds when I keep manually setting it to enemy nameplates only

[shut owl]

weird, not having issues with it and using it atm

[brazen zodiac]

man popeyes changed their deal

they used to do 4 spicy chicken sandwiches with a whole ass thing of biscuits, fries, and extra chicken tenders

now its just 4 spicy chicken with 1 thing of fries come onnn

[hollow river]

you can type !log to create a thread, and link your log in it. someone will likely get to it when they have time

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

30 dollars deal changes but the damn price dont tho

[ember mural]

those with the honey

[near magnet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vapid sierra]

does this breakdown look good?

im trying to get tiny bursts with shiv/envenoms

[bitter aurora]

Is CT worth it for m dathea?

[balmy condor]

maybe if you're going up for adds

but typically no

[bitter aurora]

im going up twice

[drifting cloud]

you shouldnt be needed to go up, just hit big guy if you go

and if youre killing him too fast you then ask to stay down 1st time

but can still go up 2nd time for safety

[bitter aurora]

ok thanks.

[upbeat needle]

Sin or Outlaw for Sennarth

👀

[balmy condor]

I played sin

no padding

but you get to blast

[upbeat needle]

just crank boss?

rupture/garr add?

[balmy condor]

yeah I saved cds for big spiders on prog

just to get us through

and then my guild figured it out

and I just slammed boss

[upbeat needle]

using ur step tech tonight

wish me luck

[balmy condor]

it's not my tech

but yeh

good tech

[upbeat needle]

cev tech

amazing tech

[balmy condor]

indeed

the only guy I know crazy enough to just get gripped off is @limber lion

[upbeat needle]

i still cannot wrap my head around kb exang

shit is so weird

[slim hamlet]

I got good news for u buddy

Next week kb despawns

[upbeat needle]

not exang tho

[slim hamlet]

if u dont take it, it doesnt exist

[polar matrix]

@balmy condor you just don't run and let yourself get gripped off?

[earnest remnant]

makes it nice and chill, dont have to do anything just let the fight play itself

[vapid sierra]

whats teh step tech

do yuo step mid sennarth pull or something?

[earnest remnant]

get dragged off, when the pull in cast ends you can just step back up

[upbeat needle]

get pulled off and shadowstep back up

[vapid sierra]

LMAO

I need to try that

[earnest remnant]

depending on boss Position you can end up being put very far back away from the raid

[upbeat needle]

bring back 9.1 Sin

[earnest remnant]

so do keep that in mind

[shy dust]

How is that some hidden tech

[earnest remnant]

yeh its really not xD

[shy dust]

Do none of y’all test shit

[topaz echo]

be careful tho, you step back depending on where the boss is atm, so you can step back into ledge with hurricanes right up your ass

[shy dust]

Hidden tech pressing death mark is a dps increase on sennarth

[drifting cloud]

well grips always happen same time, so you will always step back into the same place

[vapid sierra]

wait what is a deathmark

[drifting cloud]

some of them are more funky than others

[vapid sierra]

never heard of it

[upbeat needle]

naw

[celest helm]

can you cast sequence macro the assass rogue opener

[balmy condor]

sure, but I wouldn't recommend it

[earnest remnant]

why yes you can @balmy condor right?????

[celest helm]

15 globals is stressing me out every pull

[earnest remnant]

🙂

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[celest helm]

true!

[mystic zenith]

How does sin rogue execute with kb compare to arms warrior rn?

[celest helm]

warrior is bad

[balmy condor]

about the same in execute

warrior a little stronger

but rogue better overall

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lean fossil]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cunning urchin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[teal bloom]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[polar matrix]

blood mallet accurate on puzzle box?

no longe biss?

[drifting cloud]

nothing changed

bloodmallet graph is probably just not with bleed variants

[night perch]

Idk if anyone responded but theres a plater setting that will automatically reenable friendly name plates on its own when you enter a dungeon or something like that. I don’t remember exactly where it was in plater but ive seen it and disabled it before.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2616539-Plater-Friendly-Nameplate-Switch-On

[dreamy gull]

does poison bomb count for lethal dose

[balmy condor]

no

[cinder geode]

is tiny toxic blade expected to see some use with the new aoe shiv talent?

[strange python]

Who wants to see the most scuffed opener of all time?

[balmy condor]

if you're specifically running it in aoe situations like dungeons and council, yes

[frosty flame]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[strange python]

@balmy condor

Pin it. New opener

[formal cliff]

it hurts

[strange python]

I wasn't ready for the pull

[prisma cypress]

still nailed the vanish garrote into exsanguinate

unfortunately it was right in the middle of deathmark

[balmy condor]

my eyes

[drifting cloud]

he needs stealthis macro

🔥

[strange python]

I smoked between pulls and missed the timer and my brain broke

I have made it my avatar

[brazen zodiac]

was it at least a t2 or a t3 ult pot

[strange python]

3

[brazen zodiac]

[strange python]

Rasz prog

[brazen zodiac]

thats based

[slow marsh]

Respect for owning it

[strange python]

I was lost in the sauce and as it was going knew I had to own it

[static glacier]

I'm still smiling at that opener

the pot at the end was so perfect

[gusty mirage]

its okay

I exsanged 5 deathmarks

in a row

because I was so tilted

dathea is actually the most despair I've felt in a long time

it reminds me of anduin

wiping because people are stupid as fuck

[drifting cloud]

yeah comparable for sure in mechanics

just not that much in difficulty

atleast when it goes bad it goes bad fast and you just send it again

[earnest remnant]

fatescribe of this tier

[drifting cloud]

but dathea is like 1 nerf away from being ran over by speed strats

[gusty mirage]

its so infuriating

[drifting cloud]

I think if you do 4 platforms you should 5heal the boss no cap

[gusty mirage]

we are

[balmy condor]

4 heal?

[drifting cloud]

sir go back to maplestory your suffering is over for today

[gusty mirage]

perks of raiding tues-wed-thurs

I'm free until reset

[gusty mirage]

can't wait to play dtb forever

[earnest remnant]

we did 3 platforms today

skipped the rest

[cinder geode]

is there a certain amount of haste you need or want on sin? my gear is tailored for outlaw so i have like 0% haste lol

[drifting cloud]

yeah thats how a decent amount of people do it on prog now

and in that scenario you obv dont 5heal

[gusty mirage]

no

[slow marsh]

Dang fam it's like that already?

[drifting cloud]

well just 2tier pieces, cowl and a court ring would be like 1.5k hate

[gusty mirage]

yep

[slow marsh]

Did you enjoy DF at all or is this just carry over since like forever

[drifting cloud]

he was super hyped at start

[slow marsh]

Rip

[cinder geode]

only shoulders give haste and i skip on shoulders for an upgrade, i dont use cowl and both my rings are 415 crit mast so i dont use court ring

[gusty mirage]

I was super hyped until sennarth

[drifting cloud]

gloves have haste

[slow marsh]

Benefits of being a super casual. I just have fun flying around mining nodes and completely avoiding the gearing process all together

[gusty mirage]

and then dathea

[earnest remnant]

worst 2 bosses of the raid

[cinder geode]

oh gloves do give haste they just dont give enough for 1% so it still shows 0

[gusty mirage]

actual dogshit

[subtle tundra]

Idk didnt have to play it at all so far

Thank God

[gusty mirage]

bro

[cinder geode]

sennarth isnt even that bad

[woeful cipher]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

they tailored the strat around me playing assassination

[earnest remnant]

Sennath is just annoying

[cinder geode]

hes pretty easy hes kinda just a minigame boss

[drifting cloud]

HUH

[earnest remnant]

Dathea is just a shit show

[gusty mirage]

yea I don't have to do shit on that fight

legit 0 responsibility

just sit on the boss

[earnest remnant]

fcking Lords of Dread mixed with fcking Fatescribe

[drifting cloud]

oh dathea you mean thats not that unusual

you overkill platforms why send very bad aoe spec up

[gusty mirage]

wait until we start getting to the platforms more consistently

"can you play sub"

[drifting cloud]

you can always go up 2nd time

just to secure it

[gusty mirage]

cuz I'm not wasting a spark on a sword

[subtle tundra]

That has been all my bosses so far

[gusty mirage]

it's not happening

[drifting cloud]

the small adds are an afterthought you just might kill big one too slow

but unlikely

[gusty mirage]

uh

we're juicing the fuck out of our arcane mage

he's deleting the big add

and we're having stragglers

[earnest remnant]

we just had me and Push perm sit boss

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Oh yeah I saw that most people use a crafted dagger. Am I correct in saving my primals for that next after I got my lariat?

[gusty mirage]

we need shitter add damage

FLY IN WITH THAT BIG CRIMSON TEMPEST

IT'LL FIX IT

[slow marsh]

Seems like crafted weapons are kinda the norm

[drifting cloud]

I went up a few times

but I just hit big guy only lol

[gusty mirage]

bro

[drifting cloud]

then I was like yeah this isnt needed at all

[gusty mirage]

our arcane mage crit the big add

for 1 million

wdym hit the big add

lmao

[simple remnant]

proof

[simple remnant]

yes it truly is

[drifting cloud]

yeah but big guy has like 14mil or something

smallies 4?

[gusty mirage]

sec

lemme pull the numbers this madman is doing

he's getting PI

and blessing of whateverthefuck is good for them

[simple remnant]

im just waiting to see this 1million crit from an arcane mage so i can yell at my guilds arcane mage that he isnt pressing his buttons right

[gusty mirage]

@drifting cloud small adds

[oak sky]

i dont even hate dathea that much tbh

[gusty mirage]

infuser

[oak sky]

at least its not anduin

300 pulls of suffering

[gusty mirage]

couldn't find the pull it happened

[oak sky]

im just kinda around and the boss is meh

[gusty mirage]

so I pulled all wipes

[oak sky]

im not full misery

[gusty mirage]

NERF ROGUE BTW

[drifting cloud]

just wait till you get to rasz

literally despair starts 20s

into the pull

[gusty mirage]

this spec

went untouched

for the last month and a half

rogue got nerfed 3 times

[simple remnant]

BRUH

[oak sky]

when i look at that fight the worst part looks like intermission 2

[drifting cloud]

my dude you need to wipe 300 times first to get there