assassination

[royal lantern]

next week

[next edge]

Tomorrow is Spider prog

i want to cut my ballz off

[royal lantern]

in 1hour terros time

[next edge]

How many pulls in?

We killed it in 27-28 I think

[royal lantern]

first pull

[next edge]

Tbh it's just do one dance

[proper tapir]

Thanks all, I'll ignore them knowing I'm not alone. ❤️

[next edge]

and get everyone alive to last pizza

[oak sky]

Its reclear day for me nice and chill

Then killing kurog tomorrow probably

[royal lantern]

but we go full mythic from now

[next edge]

When reclear I go sub because I feel execute is so slow i lose value on sin

[royal lantern]

so probs faster progress now

[next edge]

[oak sky]

Im gonna start mixing up reclears soon

Not yet though

Not sure what im even gonna play on dathea prog thh

Tbh

[next edge]

Depending on duty I guess

I'll be sitting on boss

[oak sky]

Yeah pretty much

If i get to be on boss i go sin

If not i still dont know

I could go sub but im more comfortable on outlaw rn

[next edge]

I need to upgrade my CoS ring because I got it 392

and sub sims higher for me

[oak sky]

I finally got it yesterday

405

Need to farm valor before raid

[velvet haven]

FK MAN

[royal lantern]

need to do 1 dungeon tomorrow and i have a 415 box

[velvet haven]

I dont suppose we have a dif way to proc fire ring

[royal lantern]

and then can upgrade my socket cos ring

[next edge]

My 402 puzzle and 392 ring makes me sim higher as sub so far

[fringe bridge]

What's everyones favorite opportunity weak aura?

[ashen rover]

oh, i just noticed i got my first orange parse (on normal council tho), its my first time really tryharding and trying to play good, thanks for all the tips and guides all of you provide ive learned a lot and im motivated to keep progressing

[teal bloom]

[royal lantern]

playing a rogue spec

[storm forum]

can you enchant your weapons with old fire proc damage enchants or do they have a max ilvl?

[oak sky]

My trinkets are kinda mid i have h grieftorch and heroic cct

[fringe bridge]

Whoops wrong spec discussion

carry on

[velvet haven]

i would assume those are too low itemlv to apply to my weps

[gray crest]

I'm stuck with the haste trinket from temple.

Can't get a new trinket for the life of me

[velvet haven]

thats a fever dream putting fiery weapon on to proc it

lol

[next edge]

I have Whetstone 411 and puzzle 402

[nova zenith]

Pretty sure of the items we care about it would just be cowl and grieftorch proccing the ring

[velvet haven]

im just sad because its offering me mythic raz helm

[wide hemlock]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[velvet haven]

knowing its not the right choice

[storm forum]

thats just my job man

[next edge]

@oak sky will try on Terros reclear going sin without exsang and see how it goes

because exsang gives me brainfarts on opener tbh

[oak sky]

I need to resim how big exsang is these days

[next edge]

Was 670 dps for me

so not worth the pain

[nova zenith]

Might not be ideal, but at least it frees up an embellishment and you could upgrade an off piece to 418 for an overall upgrade. Wouldnt be too mad about getting that

[royal lantern]

based

[velvet haven]

im simming rn... trying I have a better pair of gloves as well so id spike in itemlv

just doubt it would outsim ring + helm

it actually just wants me to take the wrists on sims XD

ig i do have 395 wrists

sims win Ig

[royal lantern]

i mean

you could let somone craft you 418 wrists

thats atleast what i did

[flint ridge]

sims are weird. kingsbane suddenly shit tier on sims? is there a patchnote immissing?

[next edge]

I crafted boots with the spare Spark

[storm forum]

i still have 382 wrists and i cant upgrade them no matter how many dungeons i do

[next edge]

418 wrist is 6k gold

[royal lantern]

i have crit/mastery m+ boots, so i could upgrade them, but my wrists still where 392 sooooo

[next edge]

lul

[strange python]

GET IT

[storm forum]

you think i have the sparks for that?

[velvet haven]

i have a crafted dagger, a crafted fist wep

and lariet

[royal lantern]

no

no fist weapon

we play rogue here

[velvet haven]

yea i play outlaw for keys lol

[royal lantern]

i said rogue

[velvet haven]

but assassination for raid

[royal lantern]

did i stutter

[teal bloom]

[velvet haven]

[next edge]

I have 4 crafteds

418

and have 3 primalo focus waiting there

[velvet haven]

yeah, I need ring drop from mythic still, then i'll craft flaring

[jovial adder]

Hey when is the best time to use thistle tea? I've had people tell me to use it with shiv and people tell me to use it when im energy staved?

[minor rover]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sharp prism]

Hi everyone, is Jeweled Signet of Melandrus worth it over set pieces? I dont have any set pieces yet, but my choices in the vault are gloves and legs set and that ring 389

[storm forum]

when youre energy starved during KB/shiv

[oak sky]

If you dont have tier i would take that for now since you can farm the ring at 389 from the dungeon in m+

Especially since you dont have any tier yet

[jovial adder]

thx, and I just use echoing on cd right?

[sharp prism]

but wont we be able to "get" set pieces next week with that new system? Sorry Im still new

[next edge]

you get it 1 per week though

its kinda slow process

[tacit pebble]

yes, but its timegated so you'll only be able to get 1 per week

so taking set earlier now will mean you get 4p sooner

[storm forum]

yeah i think so

[sharp prism]

I get that, plus I havent done vault this week yet, so I could get lucky. Guess I'll see how my run goes first

thanks everyone

[jaunty gulch]

whats the best weay to proc fire damage for ring if I dont have flaring cowl or an fire trinkets

[normal olive]

you don't

[oak sky]

Craft flaring cowl

[jaunty gulch]

should I take a Diurna Ring

in my great vault

if My next spark isnt until next week

[oak sky]

That wouldnt be a bad decision

[proper tapir]

If you don't have any tier then I recommend doing LFR to see what you get from there too, 2set could be worth the ilevel drop.

[proper tapir]

Yes, you may never see that ring again.

[royal lantern]

yes

[jaunty gulch]

I see I see

Got it

I was choosing between 1 or 2 because I would never be able to craft an OL weapon since I'm out of sparks

[thorn fjord]

Every vault i see with Diurna ring makes me cry a little

[severe oyster]

You get another spark next week

[jaunty gulch]

that one is res for flaring cowl

[normal olive]

i had the hc and mythic ring in my chest so far

[severe oyster]

Can still get another one. They are just rare

[jaunty gulch]

so an outlaw weapon would be NEXT NEXT NEXT week

or something like that

[normal olive]

but the CoS ring? nah that doesn't exist

[next edge]

I got it 3 weeks

[thorn fjord]

[jaunty gulch]

:2

:3

[proper tapir]

Get an OL weapon from M+

[normal olive]

imagine playing puzzlebox

[jaunty gulch]

I have a 402 one

[normal olive]

[jaunty gulch]

I mean whatever's optimal ey

or did it stop being optimal

[proper tapir]

So you good, babe!

[normal olive]

nah i just hate it

[jaunty gulch]

is there no ghetto way I can proc fire dmg?

like switching my enchant from sophic devotion to something else

or any random consumable?

[spice spire]

#off-topic message

[thorn fjord]

Shell trinket

[jaunty gulch]

ruby life pools?

[thorn fjord]

if you dont have the other options

[proper tapir]

Cowl is our ghetto way

[grim jay]

that would be throwing molotovs

[thorn fjord]

Nah the turtle one

[spice spire]

Isn’t grieftorch also fire?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

But the cd on that is kinda long

[spice spire]

[normal olive]

idk what that is doesn't load for me

[spice spire]

Brother your net okay?

[normal olive]

yeah

when i open it in browser it shows 404

[reef frigate]

!whysprs

[jaunty gulch]

I'm new to the video game is this an actual consumable that will proc?

I'll use it if its real

[spice spire]

It should just open to discord

[oak sky]

No

[normal olive]

idk just got the loading / missing picture thing

[reef frigate]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

Ahh

[normal olive]

man i think i'm the last one in my guild that needs the CoS ring

the other rogue got it today

[oak sky]

I tried farming it for a whole week and didnt get it

Then i randomly got it traded last night

Shit happens

[normal olive]

i only get trinket and boots

traded the 4th trinket away today

[grim jay]

CoS ring isnt THAT big if you got another good ring

[normal olive]

its a 1.1k dps upgrade for me

:)

[grim jay]

yeah so you probably dont have another good ring

😄

[normal olive]

got the AA crit mastery ring but only on 398

[grim jay]

yeah. I have the hov crit mastery on 415 and the 415 cos is like

I think 650

only on ST tho

[gray crest]

There's 2 crit mastery rings from hov

[grim jay]

the mastery heavy one

since I use it for sub m+ and my crit is kinda overflowing on sin

[gray crest]

Yeah I want that one for sub so much. But I have a crafted ring and the crit heavy mastery ring from algethar

[teal bloom]

The only thing that changed about puzzle box sim that it's cast takes one gcd? surprisingly big difference 🤔

[royal lantern]

i told you

get a resto druid

they drop the ring all the time

[normal olive]

a holy paly friend of mine has 3

one with leech + socket

[manic haven]

I always sim when it comes to upgrades but I was just just curious on trinkets today and took a quick glimpse on bloodmallet, has puzzle box really fallen that far off for sin? Somehow has hunger of the pack ahead of it.

[oak sky]

I thought it was gonna show up for me in vault with a socket and a tertiary or some shit lol

[tribal obsidian]

Down time for whole cast

Its 2s isnt it

[teal bloom]

yeah 2 seconds but hasted. But it's a bit weird because you can start the channel at the same time you use your gcd so it's not whole 2 seconds downtime

[chilly viper]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[paper wraith]

from personal preference do u guys go puzzlebox/boon or puzzlebox/whetstone in keys?

[spice spire]

Option 3

[normal olive]

neither

[spice spire]

Boon/whetstone

[paper wraith]

oh fr?

[normal olive]

no use trinket gang

technique + hunger

[spice spire]

Probably not this week

But it was juicy last week

[oak sky]

Boon is the move for sure right

[spice spire]

If you’re safe yeah

[paper wraith]

sanguine :(

[spice spire]

Boon is GIGA

[paper wraith]

we hate sanguine

[normal olive]

just shadowstep

its free

[spice spire]

But yeah sanguine kinda sketchy

I probably wouldn’t this week ngl

[upbeat tangle]

why is iced phial of corruption (around 1k crit) simming less then vers (around 750 vers) flask ? is that an error in the sims or why would 250more of our better stat be worse ? or are diminishing returns just kicking in since we have a lot of crit on our gear

[paper wraith]

maybe in like small pull dungeons u could get away with it

like CoS

but u right sanguine and boon sounds scary

[spice spire]

Yeah but that defeats the purpose of the boon

[paper wraith]

truetruetrue

[royal lantern]

cus its shit

and turns itself off when you take dmg

🙂

and vers is still a flat % dmg increase

can never go wrong with that

[upbeat tangle]

does it ? so the flask has no 100% uptime on the crit stat ?

[royal lantern]

lol no

[upbeat tangle]

oh xD

[royal lantern]

everytime you lose 100%of your hp and get the dot

the crit is gone until the dot is over

and losing 100%of your hp happens REALLY fast in raids

[upbeat tangle]

ooooh i see, thx for the explanation

[thorn fjord]

@royal lantern y’all killing spider tonight?

[royal lantern]

terros

[thorn fjord]

Ah ez it dies today then

[royal lantern]

lets play a game

10 or 60 pulls

[thorn fjord]

I parsed like shit on our prog kill

[brazen zodiac]

its terros time again

[thorn fjord]

Took us 34 but we special

[agile geode]

Guys im outdoors, what Is new affix of this week?

[thorn fjord]

Sang explosion

[agile geode]

Kk

[slim hamlet]

https://mythicpl.us/

what m+ garbage do I have to deal with this week? you ask

[royal lantern]

big guildmate

free t3 pots

[thorn fjord]

new cauldrons are pretty cool

[dawn kelp]

421 whelp shell is it worth do we know yet

[languid moth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[velvet wraith]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

It’s loosely in nightly

[brazen zodiac]

quake :D

[spice spire]

Vita 😄

[brazen zodiac]

421 puppy dagger from fang

good lil doggo

[gusty mirage]

421 shit dagger here

10/10 would do it again

[spice spire]

Huge

Not so huge for big gamer oxì

[gusty mirage]

we love 421 daggers that are less dps than boots

[thorn fjord]

Atleast you took a dagger and not a back

-_-

[gusty mirage]

im just gonna craft my back

418

its 650 dps

[thorn fjord]

im crafting a 418 weapon at some point this week

Finally full sin in raid so i can invest more in the gear set

and just leave OL to the m+ BS

[spice spire]

In the garbage

[thorn fjord]

Straight the lectric chair

[pulsar fog]

why does double on use have to be best for us 😦

[warped shard]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[peak basin]

Is Seal of Filial Duty worth taking from the vault if I have Flaring Cowl? Guessing not but just want to make sure before I grab something else.

[gusty mirage]

good absorb shield for prog

which is super helpful on a lot of bosses

stats are really good too

[oak sky]

Its better than cos ring until its less than like 13 ilvl ahead isnt it

[gusty mirage]

mythic eggnog ring is 1k dps ahead of my 415 signet

[weak horizon]

Eggnog 💜

[brazen zodiac]

[weak horizon]

What's your other ring?

[oak sky]

We need that eggnog shit

My gearing is so fucked today lol

[brazen zodiac]

the heroic is 1.2k ahead of my 408 ring but ig that makes sense

ig

[sick monolith]

KB + IC this week for M+? OR full single target?

[vapid sierra]

how is teh whelp? how does it compare to raid trinks

!whyspir

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[odd heath]

You can sim it. It's pinned on #outlaw

[slim hamlet]

Does attacking explosives with a builder give cp

I for some reason remember it not giving astral power or somehting for druids

[sick monolith]

yes it does

[outer cairn]

Not pissed about missing an explosives week

[gusty mirage]

never go full single target

[sick monolith]

yea thought as much, just wanted to make sure im not being dumb

ty!

[jovial adder]

are howling runes any good compared to whetstones?

[limber lion]

We use Buzzing Runes

[sick monolith]

i think we use blazing?

er buzzing yes

[jovial adder]

okay and what about corrupting rage vs tepid verse?

[thorn fjord]

Tepid

[sick monolith]

corrupting way to hard to manage

[jovial adder]

ty, really appreciate the help 🙂

[dusty zenith]

Do you guys feel ELemental Chaos phial isnt as good as Tepid vers Phial for raid ?

[sick monolith]

i use elemental in raid

glacial in m+ usually

[thorn fjord]

Tepid is just cheaper

Also not bad

[peak basin]

Is there a link anyone can share to the new talent tree in 10.0.5?

[hidden pawn]

did puzzle box get like stealth nerfed or something? on bloodmallet last week it was one of the bis trinkets and now its like halfway down?

[dusty zenith]

your first mistake was bloodmallet

[formal cliff]

Yellow nickname checks out

[cursive summit]

Does the AoE shiv in 10.0.5 remove enrages on all targets too?

[oak sky]

Yep

[balmy condor]

What’s wrong with bloodmallet?

[balmy condor]

Yeah it got fixed in sims, was acting weird and didn’t have a cast time and stuff

It’s still better though

Bloodmallet uses the poison default

Doesn’t mean it’s wrong, kingsbane exsang Just gains more

[sick monolith]

hmm so puzzle box no longer a bis?

[balmy condor]

It is

[sick monolith]

phew ok

[pulsar fog]

So we still puzzle + torch?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[balmy condor]

No shot you read the pins

They’re so well hidden and exclusive

I heard all the baddest bitches go clubbing at the pins

[brazen zodiac]

real badbttches read pins 😎

[oak sky]

Damn guess im not a bad bitch

😈

[flint ridge]

weird i upgraded my gloves tier to heroic and suddenly kingsbane is 1.8k dps behind dtb basic not even bleed. what is happening??

[brazen zodiac]

is poisoned knife this awful or am i bad why can i not oneshot the explosives with it

[pulsar fog]

Torch use is just on CD outside of like KB windows right?

[hidden pawn]

glad i chose it 421 instead of something else 🙂 when it isnt bis anymore

i get what i deserve i guess by not checking or simming today

[balmy condor]

It is bis though

Did you read anything I said

Forget the pins god damn, people ain’t even reading the conversation they’re in

It’s just doomed

[digital mica]

What's the gernal dps increase if you have the helm+ring combo?

[balmy condor]

Like 3k maybe

[digital mica]

That's a lot more than I thought

[balmy condor]

Kinda depends what ilvl the ring is

And what you had before

[sick monolith]

yea its pretty good

[digital mica]

Thank you.

[hidden pawn]

i read the 1st part of what you said and then got immediately frustrated before reading the rest

the highlighted part 🙂

[royal lantern]

we need a pin that we should read the pins

[balmy condor]

[cursive frost]

Bloodmallet had me all gassed up before I came here

[fading rover]

is it best to preproc puzzle before a pull?

[brazen zodiac]

if you really want you can change the auto-invite links for the discord to lead to the assassination faq 👍

[balmy condor]

No, use it before exsang

[fading rover]

and if im not using exsang?

[balmy condor]

Wait we have a command for that don’t we

[cursive frost]

And just to make sure I’m reading pin right, you line it up with 4m DM and not 3min exsang?

[balmy condor]

!box

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[balmy condor]

God bless

[fading rover]

how wonderful

[cursive frost]

Thank you

[balmy condor]

Why type when I can regurgitate bot commands instead

[cursive frost]

Fight length dictates

[balmy condor]

Love technology

[fading rover]

so wonderful

is it still only a minor dps increase to run exsang?

[storm forum]

i havent simmed the difference for myself, but people have been saying between 500 and 1000 dps differences

[fathom arch]

i know this is a stupid question but i cant see anything specifcally mention it in the guide and im an assasa nab, how many targets before i stop keeping rupture on all of them?

[cursive frost]

Wonder what the talent realignments next week are gonna do for builds

[fading rover]

biggest change i see is being able to 3/3 zoldyck recipe for the execute phase

[cursive frost]

Is bleed dtb build?

With*

[fading rover]

yes

[royal lantern]

7bleeds is when you have endless energy

[fading rover]

with the dtb build

[cursive frost]

With or without exsang?

[fading rover]

without

[royal lantern]

you rupture important targets always

[cursive frost]

Goodie

[fading rover]

so having a +45% poison and bleed damage for execute is massive

[cursive frost]

No exsang AND I get 3 zold’s… it must be my birthday

[fading rover]

that will be a sizable increase to non exang btd builds in single target

[cursive frost]

And I think I read someone said kb will likely only be worth it on raz

[fading rover]

the new setup could offset the dps loss of not taking exang actually

[fathom arch]

so say i have a pack of 5 similar mobs with no IC, i just rupture the lot?

fair

[fading rover]

yes

[fading rover]

best thing to do is FoK rupture, tab target FoK rupture tab target etx

etc

if you dont have IC

[cursive frost]

Non exsang build will diminish the value of puzzlebox too likely I imagine

Let me run an icon or current tech maybe

[fathom arch]

yeah i was trying to do this, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt being stupid

[storm forum]

dont forget to garrote on CD

[fading rover]

not necessarily since the Zoldyck recipe is also poison/bleed it has a synergy with the massive mastery boost from box

[fading rover]

nod

[cursive frost]

True

[winter vapor]

suggestions for macro to put whetstone with for M+

[fading rover]

i mean just imagine being at execute with +45% bleed and poison, with 4 set tier (+20% bleed and poison) and 70-80% mastery with puzzle box, that is a hell of a lot of synergy

[pure tide]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

Bring back sylv for CoS and HoV

[balmy condor]

Massive on what exactly

[storm forum]

i cant think of a good one, i just made a new bind (ctrl-x)

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6vJziQ7iHf6Q4aLEqGdot8 finally got around to crafting a lariat why is my gems now wanting x2 earth? *where before it wanted fire *

[storm forum]

raidbots likes mastery proc i guess

[fading rover]

the tier set bonus' mastery (with puzzle being around 80%) and execute phase (being at 45% with 10.0.5 changes for non exang dtb build) its just a ton of bleed/poison synergy

[versed canopy]

I did the kingsbane build on razgeth last night and still only parsing like 15%. I am not sure what i am doing wrong to be that low

[balmy condor]

Okay but you said it’s massive

I’m trying to understand what it’s massive on

Like what fights for example

Cause our sim dps doesn’t go up

So

[storm forum]

presumably the last 35% of a fight

[thorn fjord]

Feelcraft goes up tho

[balmy condor]

I’m just wondering where you’re seeing this “massive” gain

[distant mesa]

thats why I was trying to understand why it wanted me to go away from fire lol

[cedar silo]

421 mastery crit cape or 411 spiteful storm with speed the storms simming less than my 392 puzzle box

[balmy condor]

That would be cause storm is a dogshit trinket

[cedar silo]

yea seems that way lol

[distant mesa]

maybe because I lose the crit/mastery chest piece till next week?

[storm forum]

isnt storm the beeg AoE trinket that immobilizes you?

[cedar silo]

no thats boon

[royal lantern]

idk man, put it on dm

[storm forum]

oops

[cedar silo]

storm is the raz trinket

[storm forum]

i still havent seen boon drop, didnt remember what it was called

[thorn fjord]

Same lol

[cedar silo]

421 cape it is

atleast its crit mastery heavy mastery i like that

[storm forum]

learning that you can shadow step and cloak during it thought made me though

[subtle tundra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

@cedar silo think we got the same cloak today

lol

[cedar silo]

lol my vault have been pretty bad lol

[thorn fjord]

Yeah 2 weeks of trash for me

[cedar silo]

last 3 weeks ive gotten wrists with socket and bis cape and tier heroic shoulders lol which i wish i didnt and took the ruby egg 421 cause i didnt know it was good

[thorn fjord]

Cloak of Failing Will the one you got?

[cedar silo]

yep lol

replaced my 402 cape

[thorn fjord]

twinsies

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dpUWkdGZy5Py6NAhCxLVTb so this one and the one above are within margin of error for crit or mastery

the mastery procced one is 20 dps higher

so I can just take either?

[cedar silo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jo76JkDbuGGwGQjsmGckAo

was like 40 dps to take the gloves but i think the bis cape was better choice

[formal cliff]

Who gets the most impact from getting 2pc tier set? sin or sub

[cedar silo]

ill get better gloves with catalyst

[formal cliff]

Also guessing DTB goes up in value with 2pc

[thorn fjord]

421 gear dont drop so prob the right move... I took cape over a 411 heroic OH

that was simming higher

But it'll drop for me eventually and im the only rogue in raid group

Hoping terros dagger drops tonight actually

[subtle tundra]

get diurna dagger

on mythic

easy

[warped dock]

so i have a whetstone, and now i got a puzzle box. i thought the box would be higher DPS, but my sims still show whetstone beating it in single target, which seems to line up with bloodmallet

[strange python]

Bloodmallet is bad

[warped dock]

but in the sims for Whsipyr, it shows puzzle box as better than whetstone

[strange python]

If whetstone is winning in your sims you're prob not running exsang

[warped dock]

is the difference because of exsang?

ah yeah, i dont have that talent

[toxic burrow]

Puzzlebox and Exsang go together like peanut butter and jelly, politicians and corruption, melee and boss-taint-view

[warped dock]

oh, i see the top talents now show to go kingsbane + exsang. i have just dragon tempered blades

but with next patch, doesnt kingsbane get moved to be a choice node with DTB?

[lavish lark]

yes

indeed

[cedar silo]

wait what?

we can go kingsbane and DTB in the future?

[lavish lark]

no

[warped dock]

it's a choice, cant go both

[cedar silo]

ahhh ok i was confused

[warped dock]

will occupy same talent spot in patch

[cedar silo]

i thought u cant go both as of right now anyway

[warped dock]

they replacing kingsbane spot with a different talent

[cedar silo]

ahhhh i see

[toxic burrow]

Damn, KB+DTB would have been an interesting option though.

[tall atlas]

is it okay to deathmark after i exang

but not before

[warped dock]

so i guess the hierarchy of single target trinkets will shift again in the next patch

[toxic burrow]

Deathmark after Exsang since it is a bleed too. Don't be like me when I fumble my actions up. ._.

[tall atlas]

okay so exang only exangs bleed that are on the target

it snaps them rather than anything after?

therefore i let the empowered garrotte fall off p much?

just got my daggers sorry if im a bit late to the party

[restive dawn]

Hello! Would anyone know if we will be able to use the Inspiration Catalyst on items we have received before it gets released next week, or can we only use it on items we receive once the tier catalyst is available?

[light harbor]

Hey guys, with the possible changes to assa in 0.5, has anyone tested in ptr on how does it fare in m+?

[royal lantern]

@thorn fjord 26pulls, no kill

people keep dying randomly, idk how

[misty holly]

Whispyr was saying about the same as it does now if you go DTB and Carnage after patch.

[thorn fjord]

@royal lantern to mythic mechanic or what?

[royal lantern]

yeh, mostly

[misty holly]

I'm kind of excited to try the new talent in M+, though, even if it's a bit worse than carnage.

aoe shiv sounds fun.

[royal lantern]

idk why "Move before pillar comes out and impales you a new asshole" is hard

[thorn fjord]

whole group just needs to move together with only 2-3 people outside of the stack

[royal lantern]

[thorn fjord]

Just right left and keep going left after dot goes out

If theres any outliers have them move out together

@royal lantern if people are moving on reaction its gonna just make things harder

[subtle tundra]

huh

it doesnt compete with carnage

it competes with dtb/kb

it literally goes hand in hand with carnage

[halcyon arch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[summer sorrel]

Ive got a question about the wording of Deathmark. When it says "your Garrote, Rupture, and Lethal poisons applied to the target are duplicated", does this mean that they will all still be duplicated even if they were applied before Deathmark was activated?

[restive spire]

Any of you guys play Storm-Eater's Boon? You think it's worth to help with aoe or should I try to get griftorch/controlled current or something

[restive spire]

yeah it duplicates the bleeds already on them, so you want to exsang if you have it talented before deathmark so that it copies the exsang bleeds

[oblique tangle]

Holy hell my vault came in clutch this week

I only did one M+ because I was busy and Blizzard took pity on me for last week

[tame agate]

so is the general consensus to drop weapon embelish if you get flaring + ring?

[strange python]

You likely drop weapon embellish for cowl even without ring

Most embellishments are extremely mediocre

Especially the weapon ones

[dark token]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[summer sorrel]

will applying bleeds while its active still duplicate them but just replace the exsang ones?

[thorny pond]

Yea it does

you don't want to overwrite the exsang bleeds

[summer sorrel]

okay gotcha!

so what would the DTB opener look like if I am talented into exsang? Where would exsang go?

[strange python]

In the faqs

[thorny pond]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037333062083678268/1052026886680760380/ST-KB-rota.png?width=810&height=284

[summer sorrel]

thats kingsbane

[thorny pond]

See the note

[storm forum]

exsang global before deathmark always

[slim hamlet]

you're not my real dad

[thorny pond]

who is?

[slim hamlet]

Varas

[storm forum]

i dont know you but im very glad im not your real dad

[slim hamlet]

probably

[thorny pond]

Varas is a sleuth

[strange python]

This is a tragedy

[slim hamlet]

I know

[strange python]

Could be worse. Could be tryan.

[slim hamlet]

true

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

hey

there's nothing wrong with tryan

except like

ya know

all the obvious things

[royal lantern]

thats the nicest thing somebody told me in a while

[normal mist]

Mister whispyr

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

I'm glad I could make you feel special bud

[normal mist]

What would be the best order to HC grimtotem?

[royal lantern]

ice->fire // wind->earth

[normal mist]

Ice->fire bcs CDS up or just because its easier to deal with them earlier

[royal lantern]

both

[normal mist]

aight thanks, lets hope

[balmy condor]

yeh

[normal mist]

3rd pull incoming

[royal lantern]

ice and earth are the "everyone takes a shitton of dmg" parts

so you kinda want cd's for those/finish the fight there

[surreal fractal]

Accidentally wasted my spark. Pour one out for me

[normal mist]

Ill update our tries in a bit

[thorny pond]

wyd?

[royal lantern]

its midnight, im going to bed now mate

[slow marsh]

what to do on diurna

[slim hamlet]

Thats a nice emote

You are not so bad after all

[gray hazel]

That is what I did, was a 1700 dps difference when I simmed.

[teal bloom]

I haven't ever done a key higher than 16 and we did +18 Nokhud for weekly with guildies. Almost timed it but we wiped 2 times at the elemental boss.

[balmy condor]

outlaw losing an spriest

[slim hamlet]

yikes

[balmy condor]

my mans down horrendous

[slim hamlet]

I feel like sin has been blasting

Played with 3 different rogues 2 outlaw and a sub, and I demolished both in overall

Maybe they just got skill issued

[potent rune]

/wa

[lusty surge]

Feels the same for me

[slim hamlet]

/wa

[potent rune]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[teal bloom]

I've played so bad whenever I've used the KB/IC build but now I did pretty well

[balmy condor]

giga skill issues

[slim hamlet]

Yea probably

But tbf I guess I also get skill issued on sub and outlaw

[lusty surge]

That's from a 20 AA earlier before reset

[slim hamlet]

I deal same dmg if not higher already than most sub/outlaw keys of mine

[lusty surge]

Pretty happy with it

Good prio, good aoe, insane control

[teal bloom]

I have defensive usage skill issues so I am waiting for the book of shadows update

[slim hamlet]

This has to be the most close overall btw

[lusty surge]

Will be sad if kb truly dies

[slim hamlet]

20 hov

[slim hamlet]

its deadge

[teal bloom]

venthyr gamer

[slim hamlet]

gone

dusted

[lusty surge]

Truly a balanced game

[slim hamlet]

reduced to atoms

send to outerspace

[lusty surge]

Depressing

[slim hamlet]

hit by a nuke

smelted in lava

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

[lusty surge]

It's that time

[slim hamlet]

Unluck

Tbf sockets aint even giga bad

[lusty surge]

I took 421 shoulders foe catalyst next week

[slim hamlet]

each socket for me is 0.4% dps

[lusty surge]

So I can use cowl

[marble hemlock]

weeb name, wcyd

[balmy condor]

I had a heroic boon, 418 tier helm, 2 rings, a vers/mast belt

it's doomed

[slim hamlet]

One of the worst things this season about loot is cowl being on a tier spot

Malding

[lusty surge]

Yeah in theory I find it annoying

But I got boon, puzzlebox, and cos ring in like 5 runs total

Soo my complaint equity about gear is 0

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[lusty surge]

Plus fire ring

[slim hamlet]

I have been quite lucky too

but anytime anything is on tier u want

kinda sucks

[lusty surge]

Yea objectively

[slim hamlet]

specially when creation catalyst is 24 weeks in

[lusty surge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

tier is more rigid than it was all of dragonflight

it's crazy

[slow marsh]

Is grieftorch pretty good even on normal?

[balmy condor]

ye

[slim hamlet]

rigid is not a word

I dont believe it as an european speaker

[teal bloom]

I was so lucky and got the heroic grieftorch from the weekly box before we even started heroic

[balmy condor]

like look at this shit

tier is locked

[slim hamlet]

I dont want to

[balmy condor]

crafted in red is locked

[slim hamlet]

change your race first

[balmy condor]

green is farmable bis

like

there's 4, maybe 5 slots that aren't completely locked

[slim hamlet]

Yea gearing is easy

[balmy condor]

gear is so omega free

[slim hamlet]

still

[balmy condor]

and it's all the same

you get the same shit

[slim hamlet]

Frustrating rng effects such a special part of your gearing

I know there has been much more rng before

But doesnt matter since I get choice between 421 hands and eggnog mythic tomorrow

[teal bloom]

Whispyr's character has huge ears

[slim hamlet]

giga ears

[lusty surge]

I enjoy the fact that crafting matters now

[thorn crater]

What is the crafted cape?

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JwSk9/afb0724f41.jpg

truly disgusting

[thorn fjord]

kill it with fire

[slim hamlet]

a crafted cape

[balmy condor]

Dass ich dich besser hören kann

[teal bloom]

Why so big teeth whispyr 😳

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

so he can gnaw them louder during sleep

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

He can gnaw me any day

[normal mist]

grimtotem dead

[slim hamlet]

😳

[balmy condor]

I don't grind my teeth in my sleep

I just snore

[balmy condor]

gratz

but also

[slim hamlet]

Huh

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

is that myffic?

[balmy condor]

heroic

[slim hamlet]

was just

[balmy condor]

you don't kill adds in time with that dps on mythic

[slim hamlet]

very confused

yea

[teal bloom]

We got heroic dathea down today widepeepohappy, 6/8 HC

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor how mythic going

[slim hamlet]

how in the fuck

did u just

react 5 times

so fast

[teal bloom]

That's one wide peepo

[ebon notch]

he has them on his recents

because he's a degenerate

he probably does it multiple times a day

or they sry

[normal mist]

Why the :HUH:

[ebon notch]

my pronouns off

[ebon notch]

watafack

[balmy condor]

you're stomping the rest of your raid

[ebon notch]

whats the cryiose

[autumn valve]

Good evening, I often have an energy problem on the assa. I often find myself doing "nothing" for a few seconds because I have no energy, is this normal?

[normal mist]

the usual 😎

[slim hamlet]

skill gapped

[balmy condor]

oh that's supposed to say "cry loser" but I don't have 2 R's

[marble hemlock]

Yes, it is.

[balmy condor]

yes that's just how the spec works

[ebon notch]

here take this

[sonic schooner]

crylose

[autumn valve]

https://tenor.com/view/phew-relieved-sigh-gif-6021378

[sonic schooner]

[autumn valve]

ty :p

[marble hemlock]

Surprisingly, you also seem to be missing an L. I'm sure Daps can provide, he collects them all.

[balmy condor]

true

[normal mist]

Also, spiderqueen:

[slim hamlet]

I feel like

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

your guild has some skill issues

[normal mist]

i can keep going

there wasnt a single fight today i wasnt 1st

[slim hamlet]

Are they like giga undergeared

[normal mist]

eranog!

[ebon notch]

[slim hamlet]

or just

u know

kinda bad

[normal mist]

i can show you ♥

[slim hamlet]

ah well

[balmy condor]

bruh how is there a whole ass 30k gap from 1st to 5th

[marble hemlock]

[slim hamlet]

explains a bit

but still not enough

[teal bloom]

This was our Dathea kill, I was the top dps EZ

[normal mist]

EZ!

[normal mist]

Man oh man, i dont even look at the recount below the 3rd guy anymore xD

Thing is, bosses are dying

and my priest just whispered me:

[slim hamlet]

This our last

[normal mist]

"you deserve all the PI's i've been giving you"

xDDDD

[balmy condor]

it hurts

[slim hamlet]

Which

[spice spire]

PI

[slim hamlet]

oh

[marble hemlock]

it hurts when you PI?

[teal bloom]

I can do damage well but I suck at mechanics 😦 I joined a mythic guild in 9.1 but got burnt out very soon and joined my old AOTC guild now because I like the people

[storm forum]

it hurts when his logs get invalidated

[slim hamlet]

The only fight where I am that far ahead

is terros

[deep spindle]

was puzzle box nerfed or something? was browsing through bloodmallet and noticed it wasnt even in the top 5 anymore

[slim hamlet]

pin

[slow marsh]

^

[slim hamlet]

Also I still dont understand this

[deep spindle]

well damn

[slim hamlet]

bloodmallet has been baiting all day today

[deep spindle]

you know what..im some what relieved...got tired of running academy for that box

[balmy condor]

okay??

[slim hamlet]

u didnt read the pin did u

[balmy condor]

so get back in there

[woeful meteor]

Box remains BIS

[balmy condor]

and farm it more

[deep spindle]

damnit

im so burnt of that place bro

[teal bloom]

Stop farming and be happy

[deep spindle]

yeah..that part

[balmy condor]

reading comprehension in this channel is incredibly concerning today

[spice spire]

Today?

[past kettle]

Evening. Does anyone have a link to logs for full HC kills? I struggle on the council and Brood fights where I've got to be doing more AOE. Looking to learn from those who've got a better talent set up for those specific fights

[marble hemlock]

Today

[shell osprey]

can someone answer a couple simple/ newbie questions about assassination and echoing reorimand?

[slim hamlet]

u dont do aoe on brood

[balmy condor]

brood is a single target fight for assassination

[slim hamlet]

thats the first thing

[spice spire]

Sure

[spice spire]

I was on adds for our first kill

-20/10 don’t recommend it

Ic very Unpoggers

[balmy condor]

aren't you the raid leader

[past kettle]

I've been put on adds, I've argued I should be on boss.

[marble hemlock]

Yes

[spice spire]

No, I’m the GM

[marble hemlock]

Quake gets to make the decisions

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Different person is raid lead

[marble hemlock]

And he put himself on the adds

[deep spindle]

honestly..i didnt even finish reading the entire pin..i stopped at expecting a drop in sim lol

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

Or he appointed the person who made that decision

Either way, what the fuck Quake

[spice spire]

after the first go around I said that isn’t happening

[slim hamlet]

I would rather play surv hunter than do adds as sin

[balmy condor]

how do I make people read

more than 1 sentence

[slim hamlet]

U dont

[deep spindle]

lmao

[slim hamlet]

Need to make voice logs

[normal mist]

council, i yet dont know how to properly manage the damn bleeds

[spice spire]

He just like me

[shell osprey]

do you only use the charged combo points on envenom? or should i try and maintain a charged rupture too ( since 4 set is kinda bleed based) and secondly, when comes to having 5 combo points, do you all always go for the 6th point to cast envenom or is it ok to cast it with 5 so you dont over cap points or waste any?

[spice spire]

Gotta make a video on kt

[deep spindle]

preach it lol

[past kettle]

I remember seeing logs for council with an IC only build. But didn't bookmark like a fool

[deep spindle]

im more of a...listener type of guy..reading makes me sleepy

[balmy condor]

I need to add a video of subway surfers under the pins to keep people's attention. Gotta learn from tik tok

[slim hamlet]

Smart

Also some soap cutting videos

[normal mist]

i used my M+ build xD

[slim hamlet]

Trackmania press forwards videos are also a good option

[spice spire]

Max - 1 is the finisher rule always.

As for ER, I totally have used it on rupture more than once

[woeful meteor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bYgh4AWDFdjZq17Q#fight=44&source=12

[slim hamlet]

We dont want to do this?

Cuz I have def been doing this

[spice spire]

It doesn’t matter

[shell osprey]

ok thats what i was thinking 🙂 just making sure i havent been doing it wrong, thank you!

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

I’m sure it does but I was on adds for diurna

So gabagool

[woeful meteor]

I use those talents for council

[storm forum]

ER on rupture is fine as long as youre not like, refreshing early

[slim hamlet]

i just play payphone spec

sub council is actual vibing

No thoughts

[storm forum]

like dont go rupture -> er -> rupture, unless maybe before exsang

[spice spire]

Arterial post juice tho

Four targets eh?

[slim hamlet]

but

[shell osprey]

yeah i would do ER on rupture if it was around 5 sec and i hit it

[storm forum]

is sub on council just the M+ build? i might do that next time im in there

[slim hamlet]

my vibes

[slim hamlet]

its a bit different

[spice spire]

No vibes only bleeds

[slim hamlet]

mostly m+

[woeful meteor]

There is a Council build that doesnt use gloomblade but idk what you use instead

[slim hamlet]

U take shadowblades instead of focus

and something instead of gloomblade yea

cant remember what

[storm forum]

i c

[shell osprey]

am i the only one a lil too excited to use DTB AND IC in m+ next week?

[storm forum]

yes

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[balmy condor]

probably yeah

[slim hamlet]

would rather have KB

if its same dam

[viscid spear]

Put it away you sicko, there are children present

[shell osprey]

but crippling poison is so good for tank kiting

[slim hamlet]

Do you mean next week as in 10.0.5 or next week as in tyran so dtb

[normal mist]

IF doing adds on dathea, what would be the ideal build?

[storm forum]

:crys in no zoldyck/kb legion nostalgia:

[slim hamlet]

Running crippling without DTB is still worthwhile sometimes tbh

[balmy condor]

the ideal build from bottom to top would be a stepladder, you, and then a noose

[normal mist]

xD

[shell osprey]

very true, i know its just nice for some tanks to having the mobs kitable on high keys

i also just love dtb, makes my brain brrr

[balmy condor]

idk I would just drop exsang for CT

and then cry

that's about it

[slim hamlet]

I usually just switch to crippling mid key if there is pulls incoming where kiting is needed

[storm forum]

if you take numbing poison the tank doesnt need to kite as much 🤔

[slim hamlet]

like bears in hov

and maybe the slammers before 2nd boss

[storm forum]

bears?

[slim hamlet]

ye

[balmy condor]

bears in hov

[shell osprey]

i havent read much about the changes here tho to the tree, is it seen as an overall good change or meh?

[storm forum]

the guys before the final bosses?

[slim hamlet]

nah

bears

at fenryr

[balmy condor]

there are no bears at fenryr

those are wolves

[slim hamlet]

huh

[oak sky]

On the way out of the fenryr zone

[storm forum]

... are there actually bears in that dungeon?

[slim hamlet]

huuuh

[oak sky]

The bears

[slim hamlet]

after fenryr

then

[balmy condor]

after fenryr you run out

[oak sky]

Next to the yaks

[slim hamlet]

bears

legit everyone pulls bears now

are u stuck 4 weeks back

[shell osprey]

there are deer and wolves lol

[slim hamlet]

boomer

[woeful meteor]

If you have to do adds its a respec angle on mythic, heroic is whatever

[oak sky]

The bears are easier than the wolves

Lmao

[slim hamlet]

aint no way im about to open wow

[balmy condor]

you talking these bears?

[slim hamlet]

just to show

Yeah

bears

[balmy condor]

no one fucking pulls those

[slim hamlet]

Everyone and their moms pull those now

HUUUUUUUUUUUH

[oak sky]

I like always see those pulled lol

[storm forum]

i legit didnt know those bears existed

[oak sky]

Literally tank check

[shell osprey]

route my tank takes never goes that way lol

[slim hamlet]

Actually everyone

pulls them

[balmy condor]

no one pulled them in legion

[storm forum]

ive never seen them in my life

[slim hamlet]

Well

[oak sky]

They for sure get pulled now

[balmy condor]

and now the boss isn't even over there

[slim hamlet]

Now they do

[storm forum]

why are you even pulling them now?

[oak sky]

For count

[slim hamlet]

they are so easy count

[oak sky]

Because the dungeon requires an ungodly amount

[magic vine]

i saw the blood dk peeps talking about doing bears a couple weeks back

[solemn marsh]

how much do you guys give for a 402 chance at 405 flaring cowl commission?

[oak sky]

Ive seen bears pull them dks pull them paladins pull them warriors pull them

Its 8 targets

[magic vine]

i think on the high keys they're a lot less dangerous than wolves for the healer

[oak sky]

Its not risky for dps

Wolves can one shot

[storm forum]

420g 69s

[slim hamlet]

Bears are basically no risk

very easily kiteable

[oak sky]

Bears can kill your tank in theory

[balmy condor]

0 and then I toss them like 5k as a tip when they hit it

[slim hamlet]

No shot

No one makes Flaring cowl

[balmy condor]

?

[slim hamlet]

so hard to find crafters for it

Greedy

smh

[oak sky]

Badbttch area52

💀

[balmy condor]

inmem legit crafted half my servers cowls

[storm forum]

theres 2 on my server but i get too anxious to msg them

[slim hamlet]

Yeah its like 5 people per server

[oak sky]

Just msg them lol

Or post in lfg

Er

Trade

[marble hemlock]

we pull those

[storm forum]

im legit about to xfer to whispyr's server and then back so i dont have to talk to strangers

[marble hemlock]

we used to pull wolves cuz you could just kite them but not anymore

[slim hamlet]

Wolves are giga monka

Bears is vibe

[marble hemlock]

wlves were fine

until they changed them

[oak sky]

Wolves just 1shot your ranged

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

Its really fun

[slim hamlet]

Havnt played legion

so

[balmy condor]

how did they change

[teal bloom]

Seliathan is GIGACHAD

[marble hemlock]

well

they jump randomly now

[slim hamlet]

Just dont have any ranged

[marble hemlock]

they used to just jump furthest target

and you could premove the jump