assassination

[steel ridge]

it was different at the start of the tier

of that i am certain

idk what "since puzzle" means

the trinket didnt change since beta.

[grim jay]

He implemented it into the opener section tho

[steel ridge]

the old opener was gar-snd-gar-rup

[keen spruce]

I mean it's looked like that since before raid opened

[steel ridge]

now its gar-sbs-snd-mut-mut-rup

old one probably was a relic mix up with exsang

which doesnt apply for non exsang

its kind of whatever tho

[grim jay]

Dunno, I think ive never seen a different opener there

[uneven summit]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ashen rover]

Question : i switched to KB recently after playing with dtb for a while, why do we use ER before DM (why does the ER usage change so much)? Just genuinely curious behind the reasoning 😄

[dense herald]

You want an ER empowered rupture before exang

[ashen rover]

Makes sense

Thanks

[lament warren]

its kinda fine

actually

[hollow gust]

!whispr

[lament warren]

3:45 gives you a puzzle box exsang deathmark with full zoldycks uptime 😳

[keen spruce]

he does not have puzzle box or exsang

and deathmarked at 2min

[lament warren]

yikes

exsang necessary

[steel ridge]

4 minute is the worst

[lament warren]

feel good button

[steel ridge]

exsang can die in a horrible fire

[lament warren]

not only am I the #1 humble chinese booster

I am also the #1 exsang fan

[keen spruce]

all my homies hate exsang

[grim jay]

Kinda wish we could trade exs for kb, but its fine anyways

[lament warren]

that's unfortunate

i'd love to be homies

but my best friend is exsang now

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-26415146

[jade abyss]

Where is the fire

[lament warren]

?

[jade abyss]

Its not possible to be friends with exsang

[lament warren]

i am

[knotty vapor]

are the changes hitting tomorrow

or are they for like 10.1

[flint tusk]

4 lyf

[knotty vapor]

[royal lantern]

you guys are need urgent mental health assistance

peak stockholm syndrom

[knotty vapor]

delete exsang immediately

[strange python]

Is the new shiv talent going to be a good choice or is it still better to just go kingsbane carnage? For cleave situations

[royal lantern]

rn it looks really bad

[knotty vapor]

lose so much damage on bosses with that

[grim jay]

Both options meh

[lavish lark]

it seems very niche, maybe on council but still i'm not so sure

[fading mason]

Carnage DTB Looks like the play

[slim hamlet]

The update is 24th / 25th

[fading mason]

Jes

[oak sky]

[slim hamlet]

L no avoidance/leech

[oak sky]

Definitely getting a 421 socket avoidance in vault tomorrow

Ruptured reaction

[lavish lark]

i'm still in of getting that item

[slim hamlet]

I am getting Eggnog ring with socket + avoidance and leech

[ashen rover]

Id like to do a transmog run in sepulcher with my guild, how many people would I need if we are 390+ ?

[slim hamlet]

A 405 can almost solo it

Well on normal that is

[ashen rover]

Oh pog

[slim hamlet]

If u know mechanics ofc

[oak sky]

For mythic you might need 10 people or something

[ashen rover]

Could go with like a 5 ppl party I guess

[slim hamlet]

Yea

[ashen rover]

okay thanks 😄

[slim hamlet]

Did one in 10 man Group couple weeks ago

[toxic burrow]

Looking forward to a week of non-spiteful dungeons. Those damn ghosts are annoying and just kept impeding my power. :<

[slim hamlet]

Thought it would be hard

[oak sky]

How do you find those

[lavish lark]

the worst week for assa

[slim hamlet]

I basically soloed all the dmg, and we had no healer

[ashen rover]

[slim hamlet]

Group find

[oak sky]

Like in custom group finder?

[slim hamlet]

Ye

No

Legacy raid

[oak sky]

I might do some sepulcher tmog runs at some point

There were a few things i never got because s3 was so short

[slim hamlet]

Sofo tmog is BIS tmog

Normal at least

And myffic alright

Heroic kinda giga sucks

[toxic burrow]

"Sofo? What the hell is that? Oh."

[grim jay]

Weird taste

Colors are bad

[slim hamlet]

Heroic yes

Myffic is too bright

Normal just right

[toxic burrow]

How about LFR?

[slim hamlet]

No

[grim jay]

Still rockig my legion s1 elite set. Nothing comes close for me

[slim hamlet]

No "how about lfr"

I am currently using one of the legion gladiator ones

Kinda sick

[toxic burrow]

Hmm.. I guess I can use my Dashing Scoundrel stuff now that I'm a Nelf again. It looked weird on the vulpera.

[stray mural]

Is the new tree on Wowhead

Like from ptr

[grim jay]

Wild suggestion:
Google "wow 10.0.5 talent calc"

[stray mural]

Hmm yes

[lament warren]

post mog

[oak sky]

Yeah go to ptr site then look at the talent calculator

[grim jay]

https://www.wowhead.com/de/dressing-room#fz8zm0zb89c8f8zO8r8zj8w8Mw8i8MF8wJ8mCb8sm8zyd8R08zdO8RZ8zje8RB8zA28RQ8zTl877NFTv808FTl87cFTt87VFTC808FTe808FTB808FTE808FTg808Cqo87MCqs87o

At work rn

[lament warren]

i fw it

rogue pvp is too hard and i’m too dumb

[grim jay]

I use the magetower sin weapon in blue with it

The mythic version isnt too bad either

[dim slate]

anyone have any tips for not getting energy starved on bosses in M+

[oak sky]

Use tea

[dim slate]

I literally feel like im useless after 1 min into the boss fight

[balmy condor]

Get starved anyway because that’s how the spec works and it’s not a real issue

[dim slate]

I burn through tea so fast i feel

okay thats kind of what im looking for. I just feel like im always watching streamers and idk why but it looks like they always have so much energy lolol

[subtle tundra]

Then you're not using tea correctly

You use with kb

[dim slate]

I mean, tea doesn't last you through the whole fight right?

i use all 3 charges withing 2 min

on fights without lust

[vernal shadow]

Hi

[balmy condor]

[vernal shadow]

Also got a 10/10 clip of you talking about how good exsang is

[grim jay]

Share it

[lament warren]

whispyr are you on mobile

yes

nvm

tragic

[crisp current]

can someone explain why assassination rogue falling off that hard in mythic raid?

[scenic sky]

What do you meen? I dont have that issue. im topping in ST. Not so mutch in AOE fights though.

[crisp current]

yeah, im just looking at warcraftlogs statistics for mythic raid and for some reason assasination rogue is like tier F there

[hardy dagger]

You can filter by boss damage

[marble hemlock]

That's because those statistics are useless. Assa kills the boss, other classes deal with adds on fights like dathea and diurna and look better on the meters as a result. Doesn't mean assa is bad

[slim hamlet]

Because its easier to pad on the 2 other specs

[hardy dagger]

But yeah nothing beating uh dk with pi right now

[grim jay]

Weird

[slim hamlet]

?

[hardy dagger]

?

[scenic sky]

Just looked at the damage to boss, im 5/7 1st on boss damage other 2 im top 3 so im ok with that.
Never looked at that before to be fair 😛

Getting private PI from my wife is so handy

[slim hamlet]

I was always on top until our uhdks got actual gear

their 4 pc + PI is giga

At least one of them is skill gapping me

[hardy dagger]

Casually bursting 270k st

[scenic sky]

Only 1 DK in our guild and he is the tank, feels good 🙂

[slim hamlet]

Yea

We had 5 uhdk

wait

[hardy dagger]

Wat

[scenic sky]

https://tenor.com/view/comfort-gif-24403874

[hardy dagger]

5

[slim hamlet]

why didnt it do emote htingy

[hardy dagger]

??

[grim jay]

How could the spec that benefits from PI as much as the others combined top fights if it gets PI

[slim hamlet]

yeah we "only" have 3 now

and 1 on bench

🙂

[hardy dagger]

Mythic raiding?

[slim hamlet]

One of them was between rogue and udhk and got told to go uhdk

yea

idk why

[hardy dagger]

And you got 3 dk dps?

[slim hamlet]

they thought rasz would be easy mode with 20 dks

[hardy dagger]

[slim hamlet]

yea

and both tanks have blood dk alts

🙂

[hardy dagger]

You want one for sure

[slim hamlet]

I mean

They are kinda blasting

Well

1 of them blasting

other 2 top 5

We are like 12 melee tho

So council was fun

[hardy dagger]

Well one of them is getting pi

[slim hamlet]

2 of them

we just got a 2nd priest

[grim jay]

Rogue does for a fact still compete or even outdps unholy dk on every M fight

[slim hamlet]

yea

[grim jay]

So

[slim hamlet]

yea

We are also on 65 pulls Terros without killing it yet

So I am currently very happy

[hardy dagger]

[slim hamlet]

Was rdy to kill it after 10

[grim jay]

Took us ages to kill it aswell

[slim hamlet]

Yea I heard a lot of guilds apparently wasted a lot of time on that boss

But man

We could have killed it after 10

[grim jay]

Its just stupid to die on the same shit every time

Like its not even hard

[slim hamlet]

Idek what there is to die on

[rough stump]

my guild's had too many 1% wipes on terros

[slim hamlet]

It feels like there is nothing going on

We basically take no dmg on clears and spike stuff

So people are just dying randomly

[jagged niche]

Terros is Just a Very Basic Patchwork bossfight

[slim hamlet]

it does nothing

[jagged niche]

Not many mechanis Just need your dps to find their Buttons

[slim hamlet]

Thats why I am mad we are on 65

[jagged niche]

The only Thing you are Not allowed to do is miss pillars

[grim jay]

Weird statement considering the issue is people dying to mechanics

Maybe they should rather not find their buttons aside from wasd

[rough stump]

thats nothing wrong with the boss though thats just people standing in things they shouldnt do

[slim hamlet]

We are not missing dmg

[jagged niche]

Compared to Like any Other Boss in the raid terros has no mechanis

[slim hamlet]

I am just thinking

if we do so many on Terros

What will dathea be like

[jagged niche]

Dathea isnt that Bad, annoying but okay

[slim hamlet]

I mean

Its the only boss world first guys still wipe on

[jagged niche]

Just need people to not greed dps and spread properly

[slim hamlet]

So kinda calling that cap

[jagged niche]

[scenic sky]

our guild is progress true Heroic, so far we had less trouble with dathea then terros. But i think we lack on dps from alot of people our paladins mainly they are almost at tank dps bottem.

[slim hamlet]

Dathea was the only problem on heroic for us

And diurna but that was because tanks wanted to stick to normal route for some reason

[jagged niche]

I can Tell you this, dathea is a Joke on mythic compared to Endboss

[slim hamlet]

Yea

I doubt our current team is killing rasz

Even with possible nerfs and stuff

[jagged niche]

The Pushback is Not even the Problem, its the crazy dmg intake with the Overlap, we have No Problem with dps whatsoever, but yeah the Bombs hurt a lot

[grim jay]

Yeah sure but still doesnt change the fact that there are many people on multiple guilds that dont get their shit together

[languid basin]

anyone know if its worth training up the ruby whelp trinket over 7 days and using it over the puzzle box?

[slim hamlet]

Our healers are kinda cracked

compared to rest of team

[jagged niche]

That is correct

[royal lantern]

acting as if the knockback is not made way way WAY more easy when "not top50" guilds reach mythic raza lol

[slim hamlet]

Ye

a 2nd rogue would def be better

But then it would also have been a reroll

So who knows how that would have went

[royal lantern]

we dont have a single dk lol

[marble hemlock]

Enjoy diurna without a dk tank

[slim hamlet]

is there even any fights where grips matter?

Maybe dathea platform

but besides?

[royal lantern]

1tank is gearing a dk up for that

[marble hemlock]

Also great for rasza

[jagged niche]

Bdk is great in diurna For the Tank hit

[hardy dagger]

Just play 2 dk tanks

[jagged niche]

Need Warrior buff

[hardy dagger]

Warrior dps?

[royal lantern]

you act as if not every single tank went warrior cus its so ridicolous overtuned

[hardy dagger]

Huh?

[silver umbra]

the nerf was minor, the only major change is it opens up comp options

[hardy dagger]

I'm not being serious

[silver umbra]

it barely affects the fight

[hardy dagger]

We have prot war and bdl

As like everyone else

[marble hemlock]

Barely. Still forced into double evoker

[subtle tundra]

Ams is buuuusted

[silver umbra]

not wide open but more than it was

also another issue it fixed was the sheer speed of pushback

would be problematic w/ gates etc sometimes due to even tiny lag spikes

just made it less rng/unfun

[jagged niche]

Yeah Not having Double evoker heal is hurting us a lot

[royal lantern]

i mean, and how will it look Like when normal people reach the Fight lol

[jagged niche]

Probably Like nerfed jailee/anduin

[royal lantern]

^

[jagged niche]

Tho what they did to my Boy anduin was brutal

[silver umbra]

They're going to check what's a brick wall and allieviate it

[magic vine]

to be honest the raz wind thing felt like a fallback to make sure the new class was in the wfr regardless of how its numbers worked out

[royal lantern]

eh, not really

dh was shit in legion

monk was good but not overplayed cus lmao warlock and warrior in mop

evoker has a overtuned healer and a undertuned dps

[normal mist]

Story time: yesterday me and my guild were progging raz normal (we decided to prog HC bosses before going raz really) and in few pulls we get to the last phase. But since 90% of us never really reached that part ever, can you imagine what happened when raz did the vortex to push people to the main platform?

[royal lantern]

and 12/10blizz fight desing where they again didnt thought "man, what about classes with low mobility?"

[magic vine]

no i mean, like the reset movements ability seemed pretty key to actually living on those platforms

[royal lantern]

and we had that with KJ allready

people really overthink blizzards intentions

like, they just desing mythic fights what they think is cool, and its really obvious

they dont go extremely deep "what if it ends up to hard?" cus they litearlly do adjustments mid pull during the wfr

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-scatter-group-mission-gif-24296299

[toxic burrow]

Just got to get an preservative evoker to sit on them. Reversion's Golden Hour is kind of stupid on Monks and DKs.

[late veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[toxic burrow]

On a different note, we still haven't had a Grieftorch drop on our main raid. And we just had our first drop in yesterday's alt raid. I think there's a cruel, cruel God governing our loot tables.

[grim jay]

Basically all torchs we had were vault

[toxic burrow]

Oh, and our tank also got a torch from the first weekly dungeon event. He seemed giddy to use it, then wound up facedown since he was channeling while monsters ripped him apart. Hehe. That was a silly moment.

[lament warren]

theyre just going to add the puddles back

[lament warren]

the only reason i agree w this

is because the puddles were in mythic

on the release of the game

and then removed before raid release

[subtle tundra]

They won't. That's literally the only difficulty of the first phase

It would be a 1 to 1 copy from hc

[lament warren]

they will 100% add puddles back to mythic as its big nerf

to let bell curve and post-bell curve guilds reach CE

[prime flame]

Would anyone be able to look at a log for me and see if I'm doing anything obviously wrong? I compared my uptimes on major buffs + debuffs to some higher logs and I can't really see where I'm fumbling

[slim hamlet]

no shot

I think they would rather make the push back nonexistent than just give puddles back

[lament warren]

does the same thing

so it’s whatever

equally likely they’ll make it livable with sprint

and reduce the amount you get in p1

[twin kite]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[winter gale]

Bleed DTB opener is Kingsbane opener without Kingsbane?

[grim jay]

Wait.. did you.. perhaps read the faq?

Thats actually what it says

[winter gale]

No I didnt

Saw someone here typing that few days ago

All good, my fault

[sonic spindle]

Reading is for nerds.

[vestal wren]

using discord requires reading

[steel ridge]

discord is for nerds

[royal lantern]

[unborn mason]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[kind walrus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[wary ice]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[formal cliff]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[grim jay]

[formal cliff]

lol

[ashen rover]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[unborn mason]

didn't expect this to happen when I popped in this morning to check the spreadsheet real quick

[thorn fjord]

May you all find Erranog rings and Grieftorches in your box today

[royal lantern]

*tomorrow

[subtle tundra]

yea get real

EU rise up

[thorn fjord]

[ashen rover]

sure hope i do, just ran diurna in normal and heroic and no trinket drop + an outlaw rolled the dagger

shit day

[thorn fjord]

The sentiment remains for the EU homies no worries @royal lantern @subtle tundra

[quasi pine]

dathea's trinket I hope for it

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

broke the streak by using a different command!

[teal bloom]

!fuu 😎

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[sonic spindle]

Why does a light mode anything exist tbh

[vestal wren]

preference ^^

[formal cliff]

If I want to compare Lariat + Dagger embelishment vs Cowl + Lariat without having cowl I do gear compare?

[wary ice]

gear compare would work for that, yeah

[flint tusk]

i'm disappointed by the lack of vaults or areUS servers not up yet?

[winter raft]

they havent even gone down yet im pretty sure

[topaz bluff]

US servers should just be going down.

[winter raft]

surely the single m+ i did this week will give me somethin goated

[dapper flint]

getting cloaks and wrists 3 weeks in a row

[wary ice]

its 10am at the latest in the states

probably another hour or so

[winter raft]

maintenance should be rn but i dont think it lasts the full hour

[flint tusk]

i'm egar to make myself feel better about my awful vault luck

[topaz bluff]

It depends, sometimes it lasts a full hour... Sometimes it's between 15-30min lol

[wary ice]

with yesterdays weird rolling restarts anything goes today tbh

[wary ice]

My favorite part of tuesday is replying tokens to everyone asking what they should take

[flint tusk]

i'm at the ready

Right Click > Reply
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[fathom arrow]

Hi guys i have a question

do rogue get a buff or nerf this reset for both na and eu ?

[slim hamlet]

none

[grim jay]

Imagine getting balancepatches on a regular

[winter raft]

hasnt this been happening

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[cursive frost]

Imagine arcane mage or uh dk getting a tuning pass

[slim hamlet]

I mean

We got through

[sick monolith]

our fucking uh dk does 30k more than anyone else and is about 4 ilvl lower

[slim hamlet]

show logs

[winter raft]

let them cook

[cursive frost]

Uh dk built for PI too

[sick monolith]

well yea he gets PI too so im sure that helps

[grim jay]

Skill issue

[slim hamlet]

Imagine having all specs in top 5 in most fights and calling for other class nerfs

smh

[grim jay]

Rogue is pretty equal to and even better on some fights than unholy

[slim hamlet]

The only fight we dont have one spec in top 5 is diurna

Most 2

some 3

[stray mural]

That more than helps. PI is like “the rich get richer”.

[grim jay]

Unholy just gets the benefit of being way better on shorter fights

Especially with PI

[slim hamlet]

Just vote kick all priests

Now youre top again

[cursive frost]

Well to be fair first 4 bosses don’t really matter too much

Last 4 bosses rogue has a good spec for each

[slim hamlet]

Rogue has good spec for first 4 too?

[grim jay]

Rogue has good spec for everything

[slim hamlet]

Rogue is banging

[cursive frost]

They do but rogue is good through entire

[slim hamlet]

pvp m+ raid

rp

erp

[cursive frost]

Uh falls off on kurog dath and raz

[slim hamlet]

mount farming

tmog farming

[trim zinc]

lmao

[grim jay]

Even diurna where you arent at the top of the logs, you still have something important to do that Rogue is good at

[slim hamlet]

Yup

[cursive frost]

On diurna rogue can do either task

[slim hamlet]

Sin blast the st and outlaw blast the add

[cursive frost]

Extremely well

[hardy dagger]

All three specs are great on diurna

[sick monolith]

!logs

Is anyone here involved in wowanalyzer.com? Seems like support for rogue in general there kind of sucks, looks like a cool tool though

[gusty mirage]

everyone who has entered these doors with hopes of getting it up and running has disappeared to never return

wowanalyzer for rogues is like the bermuda triangle

if I manage to get some time in the next few months I'll probably try my hand at it

[grim jay]

[gusty mirage]

afaik it's just a manpower issue for wowanalyzer

[grim jay]

Was nice knowing you

[slim hamlet]

Cant u do it then oxi

[gusty mirage]

my day to day job I charge hundreds of dollars for my time per hour

[slim hamlet]

oh u just said it

[gusty mirage]

you think I want to volunteer?

[grim jay]

Oxi has no manpower

[marble hemlock]

Are you a prostitute?

[gusty mirage]

essentially, yeah

either way someone's getting fucked

[grim jay]

Lmao was about to ask the same thing

[safe barn]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[frigid pilot]

mythic grieftorch

[fathom arrow]

are rogue still good in raid or m+ ?

[calm heron]

terrible

[teal bloom]

Rogue is GIGACHAD

[hardy dagger]

Aight imma reroll to ret

[frigid pilot]

they turrible, reroll to frost mage trust

[slim hamlet]

Think u meant survival hunter

[frigid pilot]

sry meant fire mage

[gusty mirage]

normalized scores

what a great metric

warcraftlogs with the banger stats

also take that chart

and remember

assassination got nerfed harder than outlaw and sub

🙂

cause we got the 3% aura nerf

AND a nerf to a talent

based on heroic logs

l m a o

[hardy dagger]

Assa got one nerf to much imo

[storm onyx]

where every rogue had Mh crafted and blasting comperably...

[gusty mirage]

also aff lock and uhdk got buffed

[storm onyx]

meh, that was uncalled for

[gusty mirage]

arcane mage and BM hunter went untouched

very cool

[gray crest]

Not to mention sub and outlaw will get a buff when they fix night stalker

[gusty mirage]

we did one thing good

and then it got nerfed

because of heroic logs

[hardy dagger]

It's the rogue way

[storm onyx]

i am puzzled how devs missed on that or didnt care-ish

[gusty mirage]

wait until 10.1 when sub and outlaw get giga nerfed

[gusty mirage]

missed what

[ripe rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[storm onyx]

heroic logs being skewed by big margin

[gusty mirage]

oh

they just don't care

[lament warren]

these logs are inflated

[gusty mirage]

arcane mage has been obscene all tier

[gray crest]

I'm just praying the lower player count of sub prevent it from being nerfed into the ground

[lament warren]

at least

udk is inflated

[hardy dagger]

Does not help that locks don't have anyone working on their apl....

[gusty mirage]

and their excuse for not nerfing arcane

[lament warren]

because you only play udk on the fights that udk is fucking insane at

which is like 1

[gusty mirage]

was "because it's just PI"

L O L

[hardy dagger]

So they did not even know how good affli was

[spice surge]

Do they still have a paywalled APL?

[gusty mirage]

how about this one for council

uhdk needed a buff

assassination needed a nerf

[storm onyx]

Our UH Dk does crazy openers, through out the fight I catch up to him though

[gusty mirage]

yep

[gray crest]

I think that's hunter that has the paywalled apl

[storm onyx]

depends alot to fight duration

[hardy dagger]

No shot

[gusty mirage]

no the patreon apl is apparently trash tier

[spice surge]

Warlock used to in the past

[hardy dagger]

The have paywalled apls

[steel ridge]

yeah right... we got fed gear early and overperformed only to get nerfed

[lament warren]

LMAO

[hardy dagger]

Oh my fucking god

[lament warren]

ya

azor puts it on his patreon

[gusty mirage]

thank god they nerfed assassination

truly

I wouldn't want to be competitive in any content

[lament warren]

i just push buttons

i would never play sin on council

[storm onyx]

[gusty mirage]

assassination is fine on council

[hardy dagger]

No joke affli apl has not been working until like 3 days ago

[gusty mirage]

oh did they finally get it working?

[lament warren]

affli apl being dogshit has been the case since literally legion

[gusty mirage]

because it's been in WIP mode since bfa

[hardy dagger]

Locks sandbagging

[gusty mirage]

idk if its even actively sandbagging

they're just dogshit at what they do

[hardy dagger]

Water is wet and all that

[gusty mirage]

venthyr destro was infinitely better in aoe than night fae destro in s3 & s4 btw

but no one knew

because no one looked at the apl

[hardy dagger]

Just gets the buffs/dodges nerfs

[gusty mirage]

the destro apl never casted their venthyr ability

and just spammed incinerate over and over and over again

whispyr found a 53% gain after looking at the destro venthyr apl for 5 minutes

lol

[hardy dagger]

Moonkins aint great either we had a look on their 2t apl and it was borked...

[vestal wren]

zac mentioned it earlier, ruby seems to be simmable now.

profileset."fire_shot"+=dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:20/lobbing_fire_nova:1/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:1/under_red_wings:1"
profileset."fire_shot"+=trinket1=,id=193757,ilevel=421
profileset."nova"+=dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:1/lobbing_fire_nova:20/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:1/under_red_wings:1"
profileset."nova"+=trinket1=,id=193757,ilevel=421
profileset."crit"+=dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:1/lobbing_fire_nova:1/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:20/under_red_wings:1"
profileset."crit"+=trinket1=,id=193757,ilevel=421
profileset."haste"+=dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:1/lobbing_fire_nova:1/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:1/under_red_wings:20"
profileset."haste"+=trinket1=,id=193757,ilevel=421```If you want to test it.
example sim with the single target profile: <https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/51WpmdUmcQzzuibfyJbwer>
(i also just updated the trinket sims in the sheet, it seems not great on st but maybe considerable in mythic plus)

[lament warren]

interesting vault

chest makes cowl ring playable if i can get ring

[hardy dagger]

Unreal

[gusty mirage]

I'm scared to open mine

[lament warren]

kyrian destro was better in a lot of situations too

[flint tusk]

Oxi do it!

rip that plaster off

[gusty mirage]

judging by how bad their apl was for venthyr

I don't doubt it

[gray crest]

Im at work and can't open mine

[lament warren]

hmmm

large brain decisions are being made here

[flint tusk]

Chrome remote desktop

[lament warren]

i think this is the palce

play

[flint tusk]

🧢

[lament warren]

becausei have a helm

with a hole in it

at 405

that i can upgrad eto 4515

and my current tier helm is 398

and my trinkets are cct boon grieftorch all heroic

[flint tusk]

don't forget

[lament warren]

[flint tusk]

you're a week away from being able to just turn your chest into teir

[gusty mirage]

catalyst next week

[lament warren]

that's true but

if i'm in on prog this week

[lament warren]

i would want the immediate uppie

[gusty mirage]

421 dagger

they do exist

[lament warren]

bc i dont really want to be 410 going into raszageth

[gusty mirage]

shit raid vault

unfortunate

[flint tusk]

i mean you're mad assuming you're getting a very rare item that is bis for ever spec in the game xD

[lament warren]

wdym

[flint tusk]

as in cowl+ring setup

[lament warren]

i don't even have the sparks for cowl

that's not even the question rn

[flint tusk]

is there not another item that's a big boost?

[flint tusk]

ah

[lament warren]

it has a hole

and those are really goods tats for sub

which is the spec ill be playing on ras

[solid mica]

Ppl absolutely hate when a rogue spec is top 2 in heroic logs for sure

[flint tusk]

people hate rogues exist

[lament warren]

oooh

it looks like the actual play

[flint tusk]

for literally anythig

[lament warren]

the play is to grind temple

for the legs

send the chest

cuz my legs are 389

[gusty mirage]

yeah we fucked up

[lament warren]

BUT..

no hole.

[gusty mirage]

all 3 were top 5

[lament warren]

but that's 10+ more ilvl

so

[solid mica]

Meanwhile our unholy dk fucking SMASHES pulls

Time for 45 sec

[fathom arrow]

is it corect that outlaw and assa are A tier ?

[solid mica]

Destroy that

[cursive frost]

That list is awful

[storm onyx]

For what role?

[wary ice]

Durvival

[solid mica]

[teal bloom]

Unholy dk c tier

[gusty mirage]

who is this dagger for

someone explain

who the fuck stats this dagger like this

and goes "this'll be good for rogue"

like if it was crit vers

I'd be like alright bet

[hardy dagger]

It's very versatile

[gusty mirage]

but what the actual fuck

[flint tusk]

Tier lists are snake oil and for fools

[gusty mirage]

WHO IS THIS FOR

[hardy dagger]

I'm sorry

[solid mica]

Oh for MA outlaw enjoyers s1 shadowlands duh

[thorn fjord]

another week of doodoo 😦

[gusty mirage]

[spice surge]

Unholy clearly C tier

[gusty mirage]

ITS LESS DPS THAN BOOTS

holy fuck I'm actually so upset

[flint tusk]

Clearly you lack muscle mass

[lament warren]

fire mage

[hardy dagger]

[lament warren]

theyre within margin!!!

take the dagger!!!

[gusty mirage]

I'm about to take my computer and throw it out of the window

[lament warren]

dagger will have more value with the presence of even a single secondary target

[storm onyx]

"We give you something nice but in-check subtily" . . .

[solemn marsh]

395 diurna's (non-upgradeable) with socket or 408 set pants (upgradable)? I already have set pants and 2 piece, but they are a 19 ilvl set upgrade?

[gusty mirage]

even when something is an upgade it's depressing as fuck

[thorn fjord]

Oxi wanna head over to Washington and give blizz a piece of our minds?

[gusty mirage]

holy shit

[thorn fjord]

BEcause fuck this

[gusty mirage]

they're located in california bro

[nocturne current]

lol

[thorn fjord]

Whatever man same thing

[gusty mirage]

tru

[dusty zenith]

Did I wini?

[thorn fjord]

fuck man

[flint tusk]

bastard

[hardy dagger]

Jeez

[flint tusk]

fall over already

[hardy dagger]

Louise

[solid mica]

Na no avoidance or socket

[nocturne current]

@limber lion Did my loot god answer your prayers?

[reef mulch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

Im thinking i take these 421 shoulders for next week with catalyst

ugh so depressing i just wanted the ring

[solemn marsh]

395 diurna's (non-upgradeable) with socket or 408 set pants (upgradable)? I already have set pants and 2 piece, but they are a 19 ilvl set upgrade?

[lament warren]

@gusty mirage would u mind telling me if my sim is bugged

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a6QZFcJT5c45BLXxkpynjQ

there is no way these pants are that low value

for some reason

even though i have every tier piece selected

[toxic burrow]

Tell that to the folks that keep begging for rogues to be nerfed. . _.

[lament warren]

it cannot createa combination with them

it runs into some error with great vault or whatever the fuck

oh

i am aware why now

[flint tusk]

Can't train a 3Head sadly

[lament warren]

ya tahts more what i expected

[gusty mirage]

ye it gets fucky with tier pieces

for whatever reason

[lament warren]

nah

it's because

i added the string in the great vault section

which means it cannot create combinations with other great vault items

[gusty mirage]

[cerulean iron]

Dumb question, but, according to the opening seq... If I have a box and the grieftorch... I assume the box is the one you line with Exsa. You just add the torch cast whenever?

[lament warren]

yes

[frigid kestrel]

I get into a 15 Ruby
We get summons out
Partyleader does ready check
Timer goes out
At the 5 second mark party leader goes "Hold Up"
I get kicked from group because im a Sin Rogue

[placid cipher]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sly elk]

Question if anyone knows it, why do we use SBS vs putting the third point into Zoldyks?

[lament warren]

lethal dose

[flint tusk]

imagine being elitist in a +15 megayikes

[sly elk]

I mean I get why we run SBS in general but does the 2% bonus from lethal dose add more than the extra 15% in execute?

[lament warren]

yeah

and it's efficient cp

[hollow dirge]

Yeah, also, sbs does ok dmg, is almost free, nice filler, especially if there’s any adds, and 15% of bleed/poison dmg for the last third of the boss is never gonna equate as much dmg as sbs

[weak horizon]

Seal of filial duty + diurna's chosen vs. diurna's chosen + melandrus ring?

[flint tusk]

Ranged attack during downtime also

[sly elk]

I see

That makes sense

Appreciate the answer

[weak horizon]

Got 418 filial duty in my vault, but it doesn't seem as strong as the diurna + melandrus. Is the filial duty shield that strong?

[frigid kestrel]

Right

[gusty mirage]

I mean its a good absorb for prog but you'd never realistically play it

[fading wigeon]

Lol imagine caring about what spec in a 15... haha

[slim hamlet]

Where do u find these people

Never met anyone like this

[sick monolith]

best box ever!?

........

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[lament warren]

can my warrior have that neck

[slim hamlet]

boots and cloak are pretty good

[sick monolith]

yea my sim says ill gain 300 dps with cloak pepehands

[slim hamlet]

Those are the ones I have upgraded with valor

300

huge

[sick monolith]

HUGGGGGE

[slim hamlet]

Cant wait to loot both 421 tier hands and myffic eggnog ring tomorrow

So I can choose depending on what drops

Holy

[ashen rover]

💀

[icy fox]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[toxic burrow]

Sleepy brain moment. Thought you said you'll have 300k DPS and wondered what the fuck Wrathion gave to you.

[wind condor]

did we take a stealth nerf or seomthing?

[slim hamlet]

try nightly

if its some sim stuff

[flint tusk]

running puzzlebox?

[wind condor]

yeah a 415 one

[slim hamlet]

check pins

[wind condor]

ohhhhhhhhh that makes sense, thanks mate

[pallid bough]

has anyone been playing PTR? If so, do they have a build for KB?

[slim hamlet]

KB builds dont exist on ptr

[pallid bough]

[slim hamlet]

6% lower dmg than dtb

🙂

[pallid bough]

oh fuck

LMFAO

[teal bloom]

!whispyr has ptr sims but kingsbane is bad

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

yup

[pallid bough]

Jesus christ

lmao

[sour hinge]

Sim is showing highest DPS if I use both manic grieftorch and puzzlebox...... I'm assuming i shouldn't do that?

[tacit pebble]

it was a nice month kingsbane

[pallid bough]

ty though

[slim hamlet]

why not?

Thats bis trinkets

[solemn marsh]

does anyone have the flaring cowl string for sims?

will it include the diurna flaring cowl dmg interaction when it sims?

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[sour hinge]

cuz then i got two awkward channeling trinkets ;_;

[slim hamlet]

if u sim both

[sour hinge]

and don't they share cd?

[pallid bough]

wait so nothing changed, you just have an extra point in Zoldyck now?

[slim hamlet]

They work like any other 2x active trink

[pallid bough]

[slim hamlet]

yea

[teal bloom]

Other trinket goes to 20 second cooldown

[pallid bough]

[slim hamlet]

The cahnged seemed rly crisp

But the more u think about it

the talent changes kinda hard meh

Gives omega niche new captstone and takes a captstone away

[pallid bough]

I really enjoyed KB this raid

[slim hamlet]

Yea

Some fights was lovely with it

At least now u can pad harder on the easiest boss in the raid 🙂

[storm forum]

good morning, im here for my weekly question that inevitably gets answered by raidbots

[teal bloom]

[slim hamlet]

As long as it isnt ruby whelp trink

[storm forum]

[gusty mirage]

the right answer is to delete your rogue and reroll warlock

[lament warren]

based

[slim hamlet]

Thought we were going surv huners now?

[gusty mirage]

why would I play a worse melee

[slim hamlet]

"worse"

sleeping on op class

smh

[teal bloom]

Playing warlock so raidbots doesn't answer anything 5Head

[gusty mirage]

yeah

you just equip whatever you want

you SAVE money by playing warlock

and no matter how terrible you are

you'll always have a raid spot

due to soulstone & gate

and lockrocks

[slim hamlet]

3 euro saved a month on no raidbots

[gusty mirage]

[lament warren]

i pay max tier raidbots premium

[slim hamlet]

you sicken me

[grim jay]

tbh I think dtb as a general cap is great and makes sense, I just think they shouldnt have made the other 2 both based on multitarget

and kb should just get rebalanced and be a choice node for exs

[slim hamlet]

I like dtb

and I like kb

Unlucky they deleted one

[grim jay]

that would be what I'd like

[gusty mirage]

I mean they'd be fine capstones as "aoe capstones"

[grim jay]

but not happening

[spice spire]

Feelcrafting in this Christian Minecraft server

[slim hamlet]

to make room for real niche talent

[storm forum]

ive never blocked a shadowblade before

[gusty mirage]

if our trees actually made sense

a bunch of ST & execute damage below an aoe shiv

[gusty mirage]

its okay, I deserve it

[slim hamlet]

Makes senc if u dont think about it oxi

[gusty mirage]

yeah our trees are perfect if we just don't think about them

[thorn fjord]

Delete rogue reroll dk

[lament warren]

i’m still 100 winrate for feelycrafting exactly what sims tell me so far

[thorn fjord]

Is what I think you meant

[lament warren]

i am the computer

[spice spire]

You’re something all right

[thorn fjord]

Hey kid stop all the downloading

[alpine latch]

How's Sin looking next week with aoe shiv and it impacting bleeds? I didn't see anything about it in the pins

[lament warren]

it’s the computer

that’s what i am

[grim jay]

you could look at the sheet with the sims tho

thats where stuff mostly gets updated ahead of time

[spice spire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

You go from 2 choices in raid to 1

Thats about it

There is no way u still take kb for rasz mythic right?

[grim jay]

no

its just straight up worse than dtb

[spice spire]

Kb is for shields tho

[slim hamlet]

yeah was what I was thinking

but 6% man

[grim jay]

6%, it would never be worth that much

[gusty mirage]

you underestimate the damage amp

[slim hamlet]

Just a sub rogue angle

[spice spire]

6% damage loss is worth if you kill the boss, but also what oxi said

[grim jay]

like

[hardy dagger]

The change is quite odd, kb made sense where it was

[grim jay]

if the difference between kb and dtb would be that significant for the kill

you might aswell just bring a different class

[slim hamlet]

Doesnt matter since they surely fix KB before patch comes out

[flint tusk]

just like they're fixing our AOE mortal strike

[slim hamlet]

is this some kind of pvp thing

[flint tusk]

yeh

[slim hamlet]

disappointed

[flint tusk]

PVP talent Hemotoxin and the new AP talent

[brave blaze]

so when i sim puzzle box is my best trinket but on bloodmallet its pretty low. is the sim right or is it not?

[spice spire]

Sim right

[slim hamlet]

bloodmallet

xd

[brave blaze]

ya because i know they changed something about how to channel is calculated

[storm forum]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

I swear they have so many wrong sims

[slim hamlet]

its in pins

if u wanna read mor

[brave blaze]

i wonder why its so bad on bloodmallet now

[slim hamlet]

idek how bloodmallet is made

[foggy socket]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

All I know is that it's not rare it is wrong

[lament warren]

bloodmallet sims with a mediocre stat trinket in the second slot

it attempts to justify the value of a trinket on its own

bloodmallet also might be on weekly release instead of nightly

[royal lantern]

take a mallet, put blood on it

[slim hamlet]

Big one of these for you sir

[royal lantern]

thanks

[shut owl]

have we gotten enough data on whelp yet to sim it?

[vestal wren]

yes

i did update the trinket sims in !sheet

[storm forum]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

but tl;dr:
single target seems to be not that insane

haste for dungeon slice seems decent

[royal lantern]

so overhyped

[vestal wren]

overall, the trinket is fairly good

the st nuke is close to bis trinkets for sub/outlaw

[vestal wren]

assuming implementation is corretc

it seems like it is a decent trinket

not insane, but can compete with raid options

[shut owl]

probably worth taking over stormboon for raid then? I struck out hard on my vault this week otherwise XD

[vestal wren]

you can sim the trinket

[vestal wren]

with training

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s simmable in nightly rn

[vestal wren]

ye

but it seems to have ended up in a okay spot

even if it isn't 100% perfect implemented

[shut owl]

am I able to access nightly with my freebie access? XD

[vestal wren]

yes

[jade wadi]

well...I get the choice between 411 Grieftorch or 415 tier chest...which would give me 4 set. I guess I clear raid before I choose? what ya'll think?

[vestal wren]

just change this

[shut owl]

ahh, ty fuu

[vestal wren]

you can put this in the custom apl section if you want to sim a specific training

For the fire shot (st blast):
dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:20/lobbing_fire_nova:1/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:1/under_red_wings:1"
For the Nova (AOE)
dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:1/lobbing_fire_nova:20/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:1/under_red_wings:1"
For Crit
dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:1/lobbing_fire_nova:1/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:20/under_red_wings:1"
For Haste
dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:1/lobbing_fire_nova:1/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:1/under_red_wings:20"

[slim hamlet]

Why are the values 20

just because thing?

[vestal wren]

its weights

[shut owl]

neat, that did make a big difference; ty fuu

[dreamy elk]

@vestal wren Would I need to put that into the custom apl section for the nightly build or would simming the trinket default to fully trained fire shot?

[severe oyster]

Man my vault this week makes me sad.

[vestal wren]

you need to use the nightly simc build for the custom apl to work

[dreamy elk]

Ah, ok.

[vestal wren]

the line does assume max training

so rank 6

[dreamy elk]

I think you mentioned this in another post, but you said fire shot seems to be the best sim as of current?

[vestal wren]

fire blast seems best in general

[brave blaze]

hey on spreadsheets fuu for the whispering incarnate icon are you assuming the dps/healer/tank have it?

[vestal wren]

it sims highest on st for all 3

and for outlaw/sub best in dungeon slice (what is a mixed fight style)

but you can test the custom apl lines

[spice spire]

God @midnight mist is so smart

[brave blaze]

so basically whispering icon is really good for rogue? even without tank and healer having it?

[vestal wren]

you can sim that

dragonflight.whispering_incarnate_icon_roles=tank/heal/dps

remove tank or heal from it

e.g.

[thorn fjord]

Same 😩

[vestal wren]

dragonflight.whispering_incarnate_icon_roles=heal/dps

[shut owl]

I took wrists lol. feelsbad, I worked so hard on vault this week to make my m+ list all higher than 13/13

[sour hinge]

bloodmallet says manic grieftorch + controlled current technique is better and raidbots says manic grieftorch + puzzlebox is better... who do i listen to? i have too many good trinkets lol

[thorn fjord]

I took a 421 back @shut owl

😑

[proper tapir]

Sim them

[thorn fjord]

I’m gonna end up getting ring when we’re 7/8 or something stupid

[slow marsh]

well considering bloodmallet is using not your profile and raidbots is / should be then there's your answer

[gusty mirage]

are the tanks still insisting that the aoe damage isn't split?

[granite widget]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[tiny axle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

i assumed it was common knowlage fairly fast that it wasn't the case

[shut owl]

now if only my vault would drop skill for me 😛

[oak sky]

Its not like any other trinkets do the exact same thing

[smoky quail]

Would the new shiv talent with bleed buff be good for single target?

[lyric grail]

hello guys do i Deathmark -> shiv -> thistle or Deathmark -> Thistle -> Shiv?

[proper tapir]

Probs not, ptr sims in Whispyr's sheet has data for it

[proper tapir]

Tea isn't on the GCD, you can do it with shiv

[slim hamlet]

The aoe talent is better than kingsbane for st

🙂

what a world

[unkempt burrow]

Yea what happened to puzzle box, super glad I spent all my valor upgrading it lol

[slim hamlet]

[nocturne current]

Hm, I think you need to pay attention to the fight time, I am not sure how bloodmallet calculates value but if it's a 5 min patchwerk then I suppose you get more value from it at the second cast. But I ain't sure if they attribute the value % to it taking that into account.

[flint ridge]

is somethign wrong with sims? kingsbane suddenly lowest compared to dtb bleed and dtb.

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I mean there is no shot it s just suddenly 1% lower

[slim hamlet]

is this ptr or current?

[next edge]

DTB gigachads

[storm forum]

I just simmed builds for myself and KB is still 1%-ish ahead of DTB for me

[limpid ermine]

I noticed on the spreadsheet that it changed the other day and haven't really looked into it

[fathom arrow]

hi guys are this tier list corect ?

[teal bloom]

[storm forum]

correct for what?

[fathom arrow]

ranking for dps

for raid

[limpid ermine]

a lot of different factors

[oak sky]

Tier lists are sort of stupid

[storm forum]

tier lists are memes

but i appreciate them

[oak sky]

But like you have unholy dk in c tier

Incorrect tier list

[fathom arrow]

how good are assa rogue in raid and do they get buff or nerf this reset on na or eu ?

[oak sky]

Good

No changes on reset

[smoky quail]

Absolutely gutted

[coarse bear]

They’re very good

[oak sky]

Next reset next week there are some changes

[fathom arrow]

sorry for asking so much but how good are the 2 and 4 bonus for for assa for both raid and m+ ?

[storm forum]

theyre good but we have to see if KB gets any compensation buffs for its talent tree movement

[outer cairn]

Watching team get gear while unable to play and won’t be able to still for about 2 more weeks. Fucking sucks

[fathom arrow]

KB ?

[limpid ermine]

3 and 7% respectively

[outer cairn]

Shit better drop and I better get that funnel. If I’m even going to be able to make roster.

[bronze pike]

Kings bane

[fathom arrow]

So in 1 week for tomorrow on eu rogue will get a change ?

[vestal wren]

no

[fathom arrow]

ok

[vestal wren]

tier lists are in general just a marketing mashine

[fathom arrow]

my friend did tell me that assa rogue are one of the hardest class to play in rogue is it corect i dont think so just keep dots up ?

[viscid laurel]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[oak sky]

None of them are really that hard

[storm forum]

assa got a lot more complexity this tier, but it's still pretty simple.

deplete the yellow bar to make red circle and use the red circles to go pew pew

[fathom arrow]

do you think assa have lot of buttons for raidign ?

[storm forum]

i think all the classes have a lot of buttons rn

[fathom arrow]

ok

[royal lantern]

tier lists are a meme that should be ignored, and this one litearlly puts sub bellow assa

when sub does more or less everything assa does, but better+actually has great cleave and aoe lol

[marble hemlock]

The fact it has Affliction at C tier makes it incorrect already

[storm forum]

sin has like 15 buttons they press for single target, is that a lot?

[marble hemlock]

And Unholy DK

[royal lantern]

360k burst is bad man

[next edge]

UH C tier

[royal lantern]

maybe thats "dk when they never use their cd's"

[proper tapir]

Real question, how is everyone else dealing with explosive in M+? Melee and mouseover throw in emergencies?

[marble hemlock]

By letting the Tank and Healer do them

And only helping out if theres more than 3-5 at a time

[next edge]

Ignoring them

[royal lantern]

explosive in DF should not be that big anyway

not that many giant pulls

[storm forum]

o shit is it explosive this week?