assassination

[grim jay]

if you cant dps

while moving

in AA

as sub

dunno

[subtle tundra]

No way that's your argument

[oak sky]

Sub doesnt even need to be in melee range

[subtle tundra]

Maybe get better

[nocturne current]

There's no argument lol.

[subtle tundra]

You're high

[nocturne current]

Bleed tick damage with box at 8 targets it's one of the highest in game in output damage.

[dark token]

whats ur overall as sin

in AA

[subtle tundra]

Sub is probably the best spec in the game in aa

Or close to it

[grim jay]

saw some pumping boomies lately

[subtle tundra]

My highest overall as assa is 115k in there. Probably can beat it first try

As sub

[oak sky]

I wouldnt be shocked if chickens are the highest

Tbh

[subtle tundra]

They are insane

A good boomie fucks

[oak sky]

With real pulls

[dark token]

ye i get like

[oak sky]

They scale with targets like crazy

[dark token]

140-150k as sub on fort weeks

[oak sky]

Sin doesnt scale past 8

[subtle tundra]

Ye

Sob target capped sucks

[oak sky]

Sin loves 5-8 target counts yeah

[subtle tundra]

And ic

[dark token]

ive never seen a boomie not do 60% of my dmg or less

no matter their io or gear

[nocturne current]

Like, sub starts getting ahead later from the 1-2 pack pulls, but the fat pulls at 8 targets with 100% mastery and spaming fans and crimson with evenom buff up, very little classes come close

[dark token]

gimped spec played by trash players

[subtle tundra]

You're high

[dark token]

i never take boomies

always take feral

i saw a feral do 200k overall in AA

[oak sky]

Yeah random boomies all suck

[grim jay]

you are literally just talking about your experiences with seemingly bad people

[oak sky]

But boomies with groups crank

[subtle tundra]

Watch a good player in aa

[dark token]

what is your dps overall in AA

[subtle tundra]

Please

I beg

[nocturne current]

Dude do you even realize the DPS of a 100% mastery 9 bleed ticks.

[grim jay]

yeah and idc

[oak sky]

This is a bit

[dark token]

also its literally the opposite

[oak sky]

It has to be

[subtle tundra]

Ok he is trolling

Whatever

You win

[nova kelp]

Who in the hell thinks sub is stronger at 2 target than 8?

[oak sky]

He did say 2 packs

So like ~6 mobs

[grim jay]

would actually love to hear his theory why sub does 25 AA

and sin 22

[subtle tundra]

Well that's cause no-one plays assa

[grim jay]

because its just straight up worse than sub on AA

😄

[nocturne current]

Well because the whole dungeon isnt made of just fat pulls..

[oak sky]

Sub is better at fat pulls

Also your argument about puzzle box and shit

You realize sub has damage like

At all times

[nocturne current]

Yea, that's why it comes ahead, lol

[oak sky]

Sub is just better

[dark token]

try to beat 80% mastery sub rogue in aoe with storm boon in aa

i dare u

[nocturne current]

It is

[nocturne current]

Getting one shot by the acid spits, no thanks

[grim jay]

bro

[subtle tundra]

[grim jay]

if you get oneshot by those

you are just bad

literally nothing else

even with boon

[nocturne current]

So people can boon in the first pull?

[grim jay]

yeah I do

[nocturne current]

Idk I never used that trinket

[grim jay]

and I never die

there

[dark token]

cloak

[nocturne current]

Makes sense

[grim jay]

even without boon, sub still deals way more dmg than sin on the big pulls

[subtle tundra]

Boon isn't an argument tho

Both specs can play it

[grim jay]

ye since both can use it

[subtle tundra]

I played Boon on sub without double step and it sucks

Cause I'm not used

[twilit python]

nah fuck those green swirlies bro

[dark token]

nah i use my vanishes with steps

but also

i just cloak

idk

[twilit python]

ive died twice to things while booned lmao

[subtle tundra]

Well I'm not used to it

[twilit python]

they literally kill you through cheat

[subtle tundra]

I played 3 dungeons as sub

[twilit python]

u have to cloak really late

like right after a set spawns

and wait for a new one to spawn on you

[nocturne current]

Atleast you go from Sin to Sub. You should see my friend who went from Out to Sub crying about shadowstep

[subtle tundra]

I can't go to outlaw

Cause it's against my religion

[nocturne current]

amen

Only thing I'm sad is I complained about blindside, then refused to play it, then learned to play it again and now to lose it again

[empty hinge]

where stream

[subtle tundra]

Not playing assa anyways

And barely play the game

Gotta practice sub for razs

[nocturne current]

no KB ?

[subtle tundra]

Nope

[upbeat wave]

Hey quick question what gems do you guys have in your elemental lariat?

[balmy condor]

the ones that sims highest, so haste/mast atm

I had crit/mast for a while

but then I got like a billion crit

[gaunt pier]

Got really lucky with daggers in raid (only rogue so all daggers go to me) But planning to make a dagger with my 2nd Embellishment. Any consensus on Bronzed Grip Wrappings vs Fang Adornments? The wording on Bronzed kinda makes me worry (it specifically says "spells")

[vestal wren]

both is fine, but you have a embellishment limit of 2

and weapon embellishment is not actually the strongest option

so you could consider other options

[late veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[tawny geyser]

This question is not in FAQ or Pinned...so what do you consider are the BiS trinkets atm both for M+ and Raid?

[hidden plinth]

whats the best safety components for the engineering wrist (for br purpose) ?

[vestal wren]

single target: puzzle box + grieftourch
mythic plus: stormeaters boon + X

x can be many trinkets

[tawny geyser]

What about slicing maelstrom?

that would be the x right? 😛

[vestal wren]

you can follow the link just some messages above

[tawny geyser]

ah thats sub

[vestal wren]

there are tabs, one for each spec

[tawny geyser]

yea I just seen it , srry

ty

[fleet gulch]

mythic plus: stormeaters boon - I would say windscar over boon you keep your mobility and are not locked into bad shit and wasting cloak or forced to use cloak

Stormeaters has been a VERY situational trinket for me atleast this *season

[vestal wren]

boon is rly good

it is just annoying

[lusty surge]

If you couldn't step during it I think it'd be annoying

Or rather too annoying to use

[vestal wren]

you can cloak and step during it

[magic vine]

boons good unless you think you might need your defensives for other things

[burnt star]

Soon boon will be broken for outlaw playing k.s. it teleports u and u will have 60% dr🤣

[winter gale]

Whats better atm for m+, kingsbane or dtb build?

[balmy condor]

They’re about the same

[tawny geyser]

dtb with exs or without?

for ST

[limpid moth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

With usually

[versed dust]

Hey all c: I tried following the pre-written rotation guides here but I'm really new to rogue, always played druid, and I just have an easy question for assassination:
do you spam crimson tempest in aoe as a CP dumper or you just keep that dot up and do other stuff?

[analog glade]

Can there still be changes for 10.0.5? I mean going back to the Kingsbane choice ? and avoid destroying the possibility to play the talent ?

[vestal wren]

it is unlikely that we see massive changes

small tuning could work

[analog glade]

Sadly

[vestal wren]

the 10.0.5 changes are good

[grim jay]

well

except that KB is dead

I guess

😄

[vestal wren]

i was wondering that too

[fading wigeon]

Kb sucks

[vestal wren]

i am not 100% if the new position is positive for it

[analog glade]

I hope there will be a little change

[grim jay]

tbf I think it should be more like a choice node with exs and rebalance both

[vestal wren]

i think exsang might be reworked

later in the xpac

even tho i don't play much assassination and mains like cev, oxi, whispyr, quake, varas will give you a way better answer

i think the 3 minute cooldown removes most of the annoyences of it

and it is (even tho not a super exciting talent) okay

[mystic fractal]

is dslice a sane way to sim for M+ or multi-target patchwerk the move?

[subtle tundra]

Just remove it now

I think just the fact that it's so counterintuitive with dm should be reason enough

[teal bloom]

@mystic fractal dungeonslice is good for all rogue specs

[mystic fractal]

TYTY

[tawny barn]

for me personally, zoldyck too strong, pretty much every build in mplus and raid take zoldyck

that needs to change and compensate aura buff for zoldyck nerf

[grim jay]

just make it like DM where it applies a debuff that lets them tick faster for x amount of time, problem solved

bcs it wont shorten the dots then

[grim jay]

dunno whats wrong with being strong in execute

[vestal wren]

i am with you, the mechanic of exsang is not intuitive

[obsidian parrot]

Hi guys, im an outlaw player going into mythic raiding, and i think assa is gonna perform better over there

how much mastery is a good starting point?

i already got crit as main stat

[grim jay]

we dont work with % or specific amounts

you just sim whats available

[obsidian parrot]

So you just go with what you have?

i mean, there has to be a "good amount" of stat

at least, that's how it was in shadowlands

[magic vine]

every stat is dps, theres no breakpoints or things

[grim jay]

it has been the same in ages

where you just sim your character

to see what you can do

[magic vine]

run a sim, see how it changes

[grim jay]

and equip what sims higher

if you drop stuff

[obsidian parrot]

ok i will give a try

[gaunt pier]

Already have Lariat, whats the best 2nd Embellishment? Mastery over 90% hp?

sorry for the delay

[vestal wren]

flaring cowl

if you have your tier slots covered

[gaunt pier]

is this listed anywhere? I'm still going off whats on wowhead

[vestal wren]

the faq also has a section

cowl becomes high value with the ring

without it it is still good, but not insane

[gaunt pier]

ty

[vestal wren]

you can also use dropoptimizer

just keep in mind thta the mastery is based on hp %

so even if it sims high, you might not get full value from it

[supple leaf]

Hey lads, just saw the potentiel 10.5 talent tree for assa, It looks like it's a massive nerf for the MM+ build with IC + Kingsbane. Or am I missing something?

[timber meadow]

do you all hold dm in intermission on h raz so you have it up for two shield burns?

[tawny geyser]

if you have good grp and good dps, you dont need to DM the adds. just cleave

DM is necessary for shields.

[versed dust]

sorry if I ask again, but do you spam crimson tempest in aoe as a CP dumper or you just keep that dot up and do other stuff?

[tawny geyser]

You dont use CP to dump...but Envenom or spread Rupture

[lusty surge]

6t or higher is spam tempest I believe

For pure aoe

[nocturne current]

Pretty sure that even at 4+ it deals more than envenom..

[subtle tundra]

There's a thing called envenom buff

[nocturne current]

Yeah get the buff then spam crimson after.

Crimson initial burst is like 65% or so of envenom.

I usually evenom -> 2 crimsons -> envenom chain

[lusty surge]

It's nice having a bit of funnel with scent of blood off IC too

Feels good to IC CT then dump exsang dm kb into prio

[nocturne current]

But it has so many factors into it it's hard to say.. If your target lives for the whole duration it's probably even better to just spam rupture

If it already has ruptures then yeah probably just spam envenom and crimsons mixed. If you want to get 1 mob down fast probably just switch around and instead of envenom, 2x crimsons, do 1x crimson, 2x envenoms.

[lusty surge]

Just out of curiosity, is there a supported apl for sin funnel

Like for sub

[nocturne current]

I usually go by, if I have to do push a single target in AoE, I keep crimson uptime and spam evenom. If I want everything to go down at same time I reverse to, keep envenom uptime and spam crimson

[lusty surge]

I know it's not on demand like sub but I'd be interested to see what the scent of blood ic funnel provides

Yea sounds right to me hyperfox

Like in NO I do a lot of envenom in aoe on the minibosses

During cds

[nocturne current]

yeah but this is just feelscraft mate, I don't have factual data for it, just my experience of what feels right, I guess something must be more or less accurate.

[lusty surge]

It's the same principal as sub

Sacrificing aoe for prio

I can't imagine CT is so outrageously strong relative to sins prio damage that you'd just do ct

[nocturne current]

Sometimes I even crimson single target if I'm down shiv and know the mob will take full hit bleed

CT still does more single target than shivless envenom, no?

I think so..

[shut owl]

sounds right

[slow marsh]

Are you accounting for the additional poison applications during envenom buff

The CT in ST thing is an age old discussion and it never goes over too well lol

[shut owl]

when I scroll through sims I see ct not being maintained in st during KB/DM/shiv windows, but it seems to like upkeeping it outside of those times. Not taking that as the absolute gospel but it seems reasonable

I don't know if LD is additive or multiplicative so thats a sizeable gap in my mathing knowledge

if my thought about it on the additive angle is accurate, than 30% of your weapon poisons would have to beat out the CT base damage-envenom base + 2% of nature/bleed damage?

[nocturne current]

Yeah I think so, that was my thought also, although I think people just don't like using it because the rotation gets kinda wonky

Since it's only viable once as the bleed needs to tick

[shut owl]

quick and dirty anecdotal on a training dummy nets me 25k for "just upkeep everything all at once, but don't use any cds" w/M+ KB/IC build keeping up CT vs 23.5k for ignoring CT.
probably not worth if you're running dtb?

[nocturne current]

Yeah with amp poison no way (unless you have sub 10 stacks maybe?)

[shut owl]

cd's prolly add some complexity with extra energy for envenom dumps

[nocturne current]

Yeah but I think they mentioned here that sims with CT always get wonky.. so, feelscraft for me. But that last point you made about beating the base damage, thats how I think about it too

• sounds good with the Septic Wounds from the set

[jovial spear]

Anyone know of a disc or something for profession-crafting? Struggling to find a crafter for Flaring Cowl

[cinder thicket]

EU or NA ?

[jovial spear]

EU

[flint ridge]

Yo kingsbane enjoyers on rasz. How do u use your cds? Deathmark on opener then on first shield?

[torpid sparrow]

what would you guys do , i looted the food embellishement this morning, would u craft a belt or boots with it? i was thinking belt and pray to get cos one in vault a day

[sour hinge]

Should I craft another 418 dagger to replace my 402 heroic eranog one or wait for Diurna's and craft flaring cowl? Got a 415 helm right now and 4P

[static glacier]

Make it on something you’ll always have on

Regardless of content or spec

[brittle burrow]

405 or higher?

[real pecan]

is letting empowered garrote (from stealth) fall off still a thing or do we just refresh it at pandemic range?

[steel sorrel]

Yes, you can get DM on first and third shield 🙂

[jovial spear]

Yeah, preferably as high as possible tbh

[paper pawn]

is kb supposed to be highest in dps meter when going kb+bleed talents?

this is 2min on dummy

[nocturne haven]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[eternal vortex]

no

[paper pawn]

ait

[plucky thistle]

Can you check what am i doing wrong? I wated try wowanalyzer but it dont work for me. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vPqjkdazQLB2pchn#fight=12&type=damage-done&view=timeline&source=5 i have so mutch low ilvl parses

I mean i cant fuck up opener but still opener dont make + 70% ilvl prases

[raw raft]

i mean flaring cowl is probably a dps increase even without the ring, atleast for me it was

[unborn vault]

what socket do I put on my waist? item dropped with a socket spot

[zinc frost]

Sim it

[proper tapir]

Yeah like Jim said, cowl was a better increase for me. You can sim crafted with the droptimizer BTW.

[strange python]

You should have enough sparks to make cowl and the dagger

And just not embellish the dagger

[proper tapir]

I think the issue was concentrated primals not sparks

[plucky thistle]

ty

[swift dagger]

Playing KB build in singletarget, should I be refreshing Garrote and Rupture outside of Pandemic timer so I dont have to press either inside KB window or is it fine to refresh those inside KB? This scenario is outside of Exsang timing.

[violet jackal]

anyone else ready for the ruby whelp shell single target BiS announcement

[vestal wren]

probably not bis

but still decent

[gentle gyro]

quick question, can i use the puzzlebox in stealth without breaking it?

aka can I use it prepull

[normal mist]

but you dont want to use it prepull

[gentle gyro]

when would I wanna use it then

[normal mist]

FaQ

[gentle gyro]

ow

nvm me then, ill rad

read

[normal mist]

"With the addition of channeled trinkets, it can be difficult to time them. As a general rule, all stat trinkets should be cast with Deathmark,"

in this case

you use the trinket B4 you press deathmark

[ornate topaz]

guys what did you find is the better spec for M+? the DTB or IC+KB?

lets say +17 +18

[normal mist]

depends

in tyra weeks a lot of people enjoy going DTB

[ornate topaz]

yea kinda was thinking it might be better then...

the poison bomb rng also doesnt agree with me much 😄

[gentle gyro]

be glad it's not as bad as in legion

[ornate topaz]

Im little bit getting bored with Outlaw 😄 😄 😄

[gentle gyro]

poisonbomb proc = you are #1

no proc = you are far from #1

[distant mesa]

I just play the IC/KB build and pump unless we have a lot of AE in group then I switch to kb for bosses/priority add

[gaunt meteor]

So i've been trying my sin AOE rotation against the training dummies and I've noticed that sometimes rupture and garrote just don't... work? like they reset the cooldown and consume combo points but there's no indication of the debuff for the DOT. Any idea? Is my UI messing up or is there some mechanic i'm misunderstanding?

[balmy condor]

Either UI weirdness or you’re getting parried

[gaunt meteor]

oh i didn't think about parrying that makes sense, i'm gonna trying standing behind the dummy and see

[vapid sierra]

is wowanalyzer updated for sin?

[trail tree]

not afaik

[sour hinge]

So you can only have flaring cowl embellishment and elemental lariat embellishment? Do I have to remove the one on my weapon?

[vestal wren]

you can have a total of 2

[cloud moat]

Can only have 2, yep

[vestal wren]

so you can have head and lariat at the same time

but would need to remove fang or bronze grip if you use it

there is a item to do so, so it is fairly simple

[sour hinge]

Ah I see so no need to recraft the dagger

[cloud moat]

Hold up what

Thought you must recraft to remove embellishment

[vestal wren]

there is a item you can use when re-craft with to remove embellishments

[sour hinge]

Damn so I'd have to roll the dice again

LaME

[cloud moat]

I thought you just remove the embellishment from the window while recrafting

[cloud moat]

And pay the fees

[mystic fractal]

Anyone else here struggle getting puzzle box to work on CD when you have double on use equipped? Like when they’re desynced obv not both up

I feel like I have to wait 2-5s for it to work

[cloud moat]

The item to remove them is called Griftah's All-Purpose Embellishing Powder

[cloud moat]

Haven't got a single puzelbox drop so not sure but do you by any chance have a weakaura that flashes the icon before it's actually off cd

I've had a similar issue in the past and it was all due to the weakaura being a few seconds early

[severe oyster]

The game itself has a 30 second cooldown between on use trinket uses. So say you have one on use that that you use and the other is on cooldown for 15 more seconds. You still have to wait that extra 15 seconds to use it

[mystic fractal]

Usually i see that as actually on cooldown though but maybe it’s a wa/ui issue

Or you’re exactly right and I just have a smooth brain and am not noticing that. Anyway, thanks for the help I appreciate

[keen spruce]

I think i'm cursed.. 2600 io and can't get a key above a +16 nokhud that doesn't break before the 2nd boss

[rich dawn]

hey guys what lethal poison should i use if i run the Kingsbane single target build?

[slim sable]

Deadly

If u play amply u use that

[rich dawn]

why pick amplifying in talents then?

oh ok

is it better?

[slim sable]

Ye

[rich dawn]

thanks

[stray mural]

According to the spreadsheet and FAQ, is crit mastery the correct stats for crafted gear

Like signet and stuff

Paraphrasing, but mastery is better later while haste is good earlier. What is earlier in this context

[random fossil]

any recommendations for the whelp trinket so far or we still waiting sims

[balmy condor]

crit/mastery is usually better early, with haste catching up later

for most people at least

[balmy condor]

the pin will be updated when we have confirmation

[stray mural]

Oh, I see. Thank you.

I just feel like I’m going crazy. I took a bunch of haste off for mastery and I’ve been adapting to having to play a slower game.

[royal lantern]

what

haste doesnt change shit in your gameplay

[stray mural]

It doesn’t?

I thought it changed energy regen.

[royal lantern]

10%haste is 1 energy more

[stray mural]

Oh

[royal lantern]

that means in 1min you can do 1mut more

[oak sky]

only a large change in haste will be noticeable

[royal lantern]

GIGA

[balmy condor]

I ran an in-person test with some people

they couldn't notice a difference in speed until about 20%

[royal lantern]

the only stat that makes a "feel" difference is crit

cus of seal fate

[balmy condor]

like 10%->30% was noticeable

10->20 was not

[shut owl]

and then you've got old farts like me who went from 30-3 and didnt notice shit

[oak sky]

99% crit 2cp mut in sanctum 🥱

[stray mural]

I think it’s a skill issue then. Hit a dummy in cleave until it feels right.

[oak sky]

cleave like doubles your energy regen anyways

[stray mural]

I feel like at a point it goes infinite

Like 6+

[oak sky]

~7 bleeds will cap you on energy

like you cant spend it fast enough

[stray mural]

Yeah

[marsh lodge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[lament warren]

the most noticeable hit to my energy is that i spend several energy bars on feint

[rich dawn]

are you supposed not to cast envenoms during shivs?

[lament warren]

i spent like 4 entire energy bars on feint on terros

[lament warren]

you’re supposed to

[rich dawn]

why does the guide say not to force enveoms during shiv?

[stray mural]

Fuckin this

Pressing gouge and feint feel terrible for damage

[oak sky]

you want to cast envenom during shiv, but it isnt important to max out your envenoms during shiv or anything like that

[lament warren]

want a hack

[stray mural]

But like I lived so

[oak sky]

you just play your rotation as normal

rather than only pressing envenom

[lament warren]

press crimson vial instead

[oak sky]

or trying to get extra envenoms

[lament warren]

it’s about half the energy cost

[stray mural]

But what if it’s a massive unavoidable ae

[rich dawn]

ok ty

[lament warren]

feint if ur in danger

otherwise vial for energy efficiency

[rich dawn]

btw the hardest thing of assassination is energy management

this is what i struggle the most with

[balmy condor]

then don't manage it at all

just slam it

[stray mural]

YEAH slam it

You’re an arms warrior who wears leather

[civic knot]

I've been playing sub all xpac and recently started playing sin why are blizz nerfing kingsbane? it's the only interesting part of the spec

[balmy condor]

they're not nerfing kingsbane, it's just the new positioning doesn't lend itself to kingsbane as easily

I'm sure they'll compensate in some way

[civic knot]

blizz will change things on the ptr before they go live

[balmy condor]

I mean realz has talked throughout the beta and made changes when they're needed. I don't see a reason to believe that he's going to randomly stop doing that

[civic knot]

I guess we'll see I enjoy kingsbane so I hope so

[balmy condor]

yeh, just a bit cringe to imply blizzard doesn't change things when the dev making the actual changes is an active voice

they're aware of it

[rich dawn]

is kingsbane build stronger than dtb

?

[balmy condor]

they're about the same right now, but with the tree changes in 10.0.5 kingsbane is really weak

[rich dawn]

so dtb will be what we will play?

[balmy condor]

lookin like it

[rich dawn]

that ok

the real question remains for mythic plus i guess

i like the indiscriminate carnage build

[balmy condor]

we play dtb/ic in m+

[rich dawn]

oh ok

[dire lodge]

would be crazy if sin rogue could use bows

[steel spire]

Remove feint cd

[oak sky]

15s too long for you?

💀

[brazen zodiac]

[teal bloom]

Spending every 6th gcd feinting Pog

[tough gorge]

So that new aoe shiv move is useless, bc itd be for mythic+ lol

I guess u havw to go that path for st

So nvm

[muted ridge]

question about shiv usage in ST. Do I use Shiv only for Kingsbane? cuz I checked the sims and it always had 2 shivs for kingsbane, we no longer use it normally ?

[tough gorge]

Weird to put an aoe move at the end of a st branch

[slim hamlet]

Huh

What makes it a St branch?

Besides blindside

[teal bloom]

If you talent into kingsbane you save 2 shivs for that

[tough gorge]

Execute dmg seems vital for st no?

[slim hamlet]

It is same for aoe as st

?

[muted ridge]

so always hold Shivs for Kingsbane right?

both of em

[teal bloom]

Yes, you need to overcap for 10 seconds

[muted ridge]

Thank you, wasnt sure about the ovecrapping

[tough gorge]

Your right. So the ST path would be that AP and DtB?

[muted ridge]

if its worth or not

[slim hamlet]

I mean

I dont think we do double capstone for St on ptr right?

Just DTB iirc

[oak sky]

we do

double capstone

[tough gorge]

Yeah they changed it so you can take any 2 of 3.

But i think it jusr feels wrong to miss out on improve garrotte for cp gen.

And you cant get it if you go down left and center

[balmy condor]

it looks okay, good utility for raging weeks, but the damage benefit ain't quite there atm

[trail tree]

is kb still looking like its giga doa on ptr?

[balmy condor]

that's what the pin and spreadsheet says

[loud gull]

what assa build is easier? i wanna offspec it, but wont play it much i think

mostly M+

[balmy condor]

anything with dtb

[loud gull]

thanx man !

[serene hamlet]

is it a bug if you play with cold blood and activate it and keep the buff( use no ability) all debuffs on the target now crit?

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's not relevant so it's fine

[slow marsh]

How do you go on

[balmy condor]

I don't

[slow marsh]

Fair

I'm doing my part and reading faq and wow head guide and pins before I start asking anything. Granted I need to just level first anyways

[tough gorge]

Is this actually better than IC for mythic+?

[balmy condor]

he asked what's easier, not whats better

[tough gorge]

Touche

[slow marsh]

Does it feel good to be back on the sin one trick train whisp

[balmy condor]

I'm just happy sin is good

[slow marsh]

Or did sub taint you forever

But does sin being good increase the amount of trolling or no

[balmy condor]

considerably

[slow marsh]

[thorn crater]

I cant seem to figure out how to sim this so I am asking here. Would it be better to make a 418 cowl to replace my 392 helmet and drop my fang from weapon even if I dont have Diurna ring yet or should I just wait for the diurna ring?

[oak sky]

yeah flaring cowl is pretty good

as long as you keep any tier you have should be fine

[balmy condor]

if it doesn't break your set bonus that seems like a good idea

[thorn crater]

It doesnt

[balmy condor]

cowl is usually better than fang

[thorn crater]

Yeah its a huge bump when I sim it

thank you guys

[languid moth]

i can't recall who had it but wasn't there someone with a really good plater profile that make the frame a different color if it didnt have rupture on it

[proper tapir]

It was Cev's but I forgot the bot command to post it

[languid moth]

dang, anyone else remember the prompt? would love to get that bad boi added to mine

[proper tapir]

I know it worked for SBS, maybe rup/Gar too.... I modified it so idk how it comes standard anymore

[languid moth]

you know the command @balmy condor ?

[proper tapir]

For Cev's platter

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

I just looked up ceverion on wago

[languid moth]

thank you Whis 🙂

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi

I also have one

whichever you prefer

cev's is super clean

[desert inlet]

Whispyr how do I pronounce your name

Is it whisper

[balmy condor]

yap

[desert inlet]

Kewl

[fair ingot]

!log

[lament meadow]

Been trying to get the hang of sin but doing significantly less damage than outlaw. Grievous spiteful is really annoying lol

[brazen zodiac]

i love spiteful

[cloud moat]

Yeah this is not the week to start playing sin m+ m'dude

[lament meadow]

Haha I saw the ptr changes and I got too excited. Guess I'll take the time to learn some subtlety then

[rough stump]

im having lots of fun this week playing sin in m+, but maybe im just mentally ill

[cloud moat]

Idk personally Spiteful makes me want to jump off a cliff as sin

As Sub I just spam shuriken storm from the other side of the map without any real need to enter stealth and perma slowing them into gramps speed

[raw raft]

Endwyr

[proper tapir]

How is that different from crippling and FoK?

[cloud moat]

Kinda shit to enter a pack with vanish on cd if the spitefuls forcefully keep you in combat

Also I don't know for sure but I could swear shuriken storm's radius is larger

Sure as hell feels like it

[dense crow]

When do you want to use puzzlebox?

Pre or after cds?

[cloud moat]

Before DM afaik

And if you're running exsang, hold the box and exsang for the third DM

[proper tapir]

Yeah the combat/Stealth is annoying but just a minor inconvenience. You can still get by fine. Idk about range but with the talents it's pretty large

[proper tapir]

There is a whole section on this here: #assassination-faq message

[coarse bear]

we only ever use a non envenom cast on an animacharged combo point just before exsanguinate right?

[balmy condor]

it doesn't matter what you use your animacharge on, as long as you use it

[dusty zenith]

thats what she said

[weak crescent]

saving a shiv for echoing is ideal ?

as long as i have 2 for deathmark

[balmy condor]

if you don't waste any time on anything, sure

[paper wraith]

clarifying question: so slice and dice is up and renewed whenever I spend combo points, right? my opener is garrote, S+D, garrote, bone spike, rupture.....shouldn't s+d renew on the rupture? mine doesn't seem to be renewing and falls off, but it renews if I hit envenom with combo points

[feral rivet]

Cause it renews with envenom

[storm forum]

Is the range on the CoS trinket really small?

[proper tapir]

This interaction is from the "Cut to the chase" talent. It is adding time to SnD when you envenom

[balmy condor]

yeh, it's like the actual boss mechanic I think, 7 yards?

[paper wraith]

oh okay so it's not just any combo points it's just strictly envenom...okay thank you!

yeah okay just read it, duh that makes sense lol

[proper tapir]

If you follow the openers in the FAQs you should have enough time on SnD.

[paper wraith]

Thank you! I've been trying out a few, and this one I'm testing is from an EU rogue and he doesn't hit envenom until his 11th strike, just trying to work out how/why lol 😂

I've only been playing sin for about three weeks so a lot of things are still new to me

[peak basin]

Is there a recommended talent build for Rasz or is the WoWhead DTB build the best one?

[balmy condor]

go with a kingsbane setup instead

[peak basin]

Should I worry about talenting into CT? Or is that not rly important.

[oak sky]

needed in mythic+

[peak basin]

I meant for Rasz, my b.

For the adds phase

[strange python]

No

Mythic or heroic?

[peak basin]

Heroic

[balmy condor]

definitely not

[strange python]

Imo same answer for both difficulties but more debatable on mythic.

[peak basin]

Ty!

[storm forum]

Kingsbane for the shields is nice

[strange python]

But on heroic you definitely don't bring sin for AoE. If you're wiping in intermission then either your group is bad, or you play sub/outlaw

[storm forum]

If I remember to save it

[peak basin]

Is that why kingsbane is preferred? Cause the stormsurge dps check?

[royal lantern]

shield is the most important dps part of the fight

1min bettwen shields

kb has 1min cd

[storm forum]

Idk, I'm just trying to relive my childhood(legion)

[peak basin]

Got it. Makes sense now.

Lol

[magic vine]

i was actually thinking about this earlier, fok feels like it just randomly throws blanks or something compared to shuriken

which is weird because fok should be a larger radius with the talent?

[storm forum]

Want some dumb misinformation? I think fan of knives was originally supposed to be a cone and it's still coded to be a cone, just with a very large width, so it behaves strangely. When it "fires blanks" thats a sliver of empty space that isn't part of the "cone" that's supposed to wrap around the character.

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

its called fan of knives

but its no fan

you just throw them around you

[teal bloom]

Man it would suck to go pick up all the knives you threw during M+ run

[balmy condor]

if a cone has a 360 degree range

is it still a cone

[storm forum]

359 degrees

And it's oblong

[balmy condor]

I need you to graph this for me in 5 dimensions

[storm forum]

It goes full out up left right in forward but not back

[strange python]

Yes. But also the damage amp makes it better overall DPS

[slim hamlet]

Seems about right

[peak basin]

Is it stormsurge that gives the dmg amp? Or is the stacking with same symbol.

[balmy condor]

stacking

[peak basin]

Ty.

[magic vine]

my dumb wonder on it is if its hitbox is like flatter or something

[rotund skiff]

When I look at some logs, people do Rupture > Echoing Rep > Rupture

Why double rupture?

[balmy condor]

read faq

[hallow sage]

longest possible duration rupture for exsang

[storm forum]

How drunk should I get for keys tonight?

[balmy condor]

based on the fok tinfoil, I assumed you already were

[storm forum]

I am

How much more though

[cloud moat]

The player character fans the knives out with both of their hands, making it 360°

[storm forum]

Do I finish the bottle

[cloud moat]

It's even in the animation

[royal lantern]

what keys

[slim hamlet]

Tbh

[storm forum]

I'm going to find all the keys in the house and juggle them. Any I drop I need to eat

[slim hamlet]

Shuriken storm seems to hit much easier than fan of knives

[cloud moat]

Are you planning on playing Assa in the keys

In that case I'd recommend blackout drunk

[slim hamlet]

Huh

[storm forum]

Always sin

[cloud moat]

Won't remember any of the depleted keys tomorrow

[slim hamlet]

Smart

[storm forum]

My sin definitely does 5 time more damage than my oitlaw

My outlaw is awful

[balmy condor]

my sin does way more than 5 times my outlaw what

only 5x?

[royal lantern]

my assa does like 200x the dmg cus i dont have a 1h weapon

[slim hamlet]

My autos does more dmg than my m+ sin

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

that's what I'm saying

[royal lantern]

based and assassination pilled

[storm forum]

My gm made me get a WQ sword

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[cloud moat]

Does Cev's plater profile really have some sort of colour coding for missing garrote/rupture btw

I tried it out for a couple of days but the colours felt too dark and I couldn't tell the important casters from the others

Just copied the bleed ordering script into Quazii's profile

[slim hamlet]

Quazii as a base is crisp

[queen pawn]

guys getting back to sin, just a simple question do i have to use Ambush just on blindside procs right?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[storm forum]

If you don't have a key bind for it, just take ttb instead and hate everything

[royal lantern]

why

blindside makes the roation so much smother

+ambush hits HARD

[cloud moat]

Btw Whispyr idk if you still remember that discussion about using ambush as the first ability after vanish, but I'm playing the DTB poison talents do I haven't got shrouded for extra cp from garrote

[royal lantern]

like, dropping blindside is so bad

[storm forum]

That's why I said hate everything

[cloud moat]

So at worst I'm wasting one combo point or so afaik

[storm forum]

Without ambush procs you just sit there

[cloud moat]

So I'd imagine the ambush is worthwhile

[storm forum]

And contemplate why you didn't just take blindside

[balmy condor]

do whatever you want

you're playing poison dtb anyway

[cloud moat]

It Sims the highest for me

[peak basin]

What is the actual DPS loss between blindside/TTB?

[cloud moat]

[royal lantern]

sending that now everytime somone pings whisp

[cloud moat]

Probably has to do with being stuck with Windswept Pages as second trinket or something

[storm forum]

Can we make that a sticker?

[limber lion]

What

[cloud moat]

Yeah, didn't notice it

[slow marsh]

You guys actually managed to send whisp completely into the abysswhile I was away. Impressive

[cloud moat]

Someone here was saying something like that earlier today

[limber lion]

Too dark? The entire nameplate is red and turns blue if it's a caster. It's a whole ass different color my guy

No, there's nothing that indicates missing bleeds.

[cloud moat]

Idk I'm a little colourblind so the dark blue and dark red might fuck with my eyes

[cloud moat]

Someone was just bullshitting then I guess

[limber lion]

That's quite the pointless feature ngl

[storm forum]

This is my life goal

[limber lion]

You don't always want rupture on everything and you can't always garrote everything

[cloud moat]

Quazii's profile just has rather slim debuff icons. Been trying to mess with them until I can actually more clearly see the icons but I feel like once Im finally at that point, they end up taking up too much space

[limber lion]

Ngl I love the solid yellow pandemic borders that yours has more than the glow in mine.

[balmy condor]

yah but yours is way more minimal

like that more in aoe

[magic vine]

theres a default mod with plater that lets you change plate colors on missing aura

you could use that, or if you're using colors for something else you could hijack it to do something else to the plate instead of a color change

[fading wigeon]

This needs to be a command lol

[storm forum]

where can i get a good wrist? im still using a WQ one

[drifting light]

Run a droptimizer bro

[storm forum]

damn thanks for believing in me

[drifting light]

Always

[slow viper]

wait do you puzzle box after DM or after echoing in the opener?

my sim has it after DM

but the opener says uses it after echoing

also do you hold echoing for KB or just echo on CD

[balmy condor]

can do either, sims don't really optimize openers, and moving stuff around a little here or there generally won't make a mess of things

[balmy condor]

there's no interaction here, just echo on cd

[slow viper]

oh i thought it helped get more combo points into KB

[balmy condor]

but what's the point of that

[slow viper]

i guess i should've read KB more closely haha

i thought finishers were what made it do additional damage

[dreamy elk]

For the ruby whelp shell trinket, does there seem to be some idea if the ST firebolt, AOE, or crit buff seems to be the best option?

[balmy condor]

most people go firebolt

but it seems questionable if it beats any of our current trinkets

[royal lantern]

whisp is the anti "OMG NEW TRINKET SAME DMG AS TORCH" guy

[thorny pond]

Whispyr is a person of complete focus and pure facts

Committed to data and the drive of betterment

We’d be lucky for him to piss in our direction

[slim hamlet]

Yet he is still holding on to the copium of exsang deletion 10.1

[manic haven]

Just about to start M Sennarth prog boys, any sin tips for the fight?

[sand elm]

dont die

[slow viper]

how do you macro potions into DM?

can you?

[keen raven]

ignore dps on first spider ad

[sand elm]

/use Elemental Potion of Power
/cast Deathmark

[keen raven]

other than dont die

[sand elm]

i dno if u can specify quality of pots tho

[balmy condor]

Let yourself get gripped off, step after

[magic vine]

if you use this mod (its in the plater defaults), you can set it to change color on missing aura. if you want you can modify it to change something besides the plate color, like increasing border size and changing the color of that, if you're using color setting for m+ or something

i haven't dug around with doing anything real fancy, but theres no reason you couldn't do something else like a glow or texture or something

actually i'm not sure how to change the border size, but i did find the color command

[ebon notch]

👀

[slow viper]

@sand elm that wont cast death mark

potion works but it didn't cast death mark

[ebon notch]

How Kurog whispyr

[feral rivet]

You can by using the id, like /use item:id

[oak sky]

are they still 4 healing

if they are i bet you know how its going

[balmy condor]

we limped our way to earth

but yeh

as far as I know

still 4 healing

[ebon notch]

Sounds like fun

[oak sky]

i mean tbh

[ebon notch]

Good luck

[oak sky]

if you guys can hit the frost phase you autokill

theres gonna be a negative dps check

[drifting cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935989994735169546/1023888917528854568/caption.gif

[drifting cloud]

spoiler alert: they wont

[oak sky]

absorbma

[drifting cloud]

its now a race against time how stubborn will the officers be before they change it

[balmy condor]

officers thought we were 5 healing

[oak sky]

why are you 4 healing then

[drifting cloud]

1 guys decision then ig

[grim tangle]

well there has been 1 prog kill with 4 heals so it's doable

[balmy condor]

yeah totally

[drifting cloud]

yeah with a hpala

[oak sky]

they have a ret

💀

[balmy condor]

okay well 2 hpri

they're both called holy, it's close enough right

[drifting cloud]

just uhh equip more avoidance

[balmy condor]

it DR's before I have enough to avoid kurog prog

[teal bloom]

which days do you raid whispyr?

[balmy condor]

mon tues thurs

[storm forum]

i wish garotte showed up as kicks on details

[jaunty gulch]

so typiucally I play IC/KINGs but how would I do AOE with the DTB Build

or is that build just for raid

[ebon notch]

Might show up under “crowd control done”

[balmy condor]

the DTB M+ plays basically the same, you just get to manually rupture more

[tough gorge]

Relies heavily on multi garotting and CT spam

I guess IC also CT spams tbf

[gusty mirage]

yeah a comp with healers with a DR

[compact wing]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vital reef]

Was anyone able to do actual sims on the Ruby Trinket? I dont see the PIN updated - and I WANT DATA! 🙂

[balmy condor]

well

[magic vine]

well they have to wait to train it fully and then test and figure out the actual proc rates and stuff

[balmy condor]

if we had sims

then we would have a new pin now wouldn't we

[magic vine]

after that they can model it and sim it

[spice spire]

Big RLP wants you to think that, get woke buddy

[balmy condor]

it's almost like if the pin says no sims, we don't have sims

CRAZY concept

[keen spruce]

sim now

no test

sim

[balmy condor]

sim this

[slow marsh]

gotem

[dreamy elk]

Artifact parse, top ST and AOE with good burst.

[gusty mirage]

data is the tanks overestimated how good the aoe was (shocker)

[balmy condor]

it took you an embarrassing amount of time for that

[gusty mirage]

seems pretty decent but not "OMG BETTER THAN GRIEFTORCH"

[keen spruce]

i did it frame by frame

i dunno how computers work

[balmy condor]

Shmeeps with the stop motion

what a chad

[vital reef]

Yea - I expected the dmg procs to be garbo, but I'm interested in the Crit stat proc. That could very easily be overtuned.

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't hold my breath

[vital reef]

Shux - means I gota farm a Whetstone it looks like then lol

[balmy condor]

a whetstone?

[keen spruce]

that sounds like outlaw talk

[vital reef]

M+, I got Box already 🙂

[keen spruce]

i'm gettin a lot of mileage outta this one

imma keep spreadin my anti-rubixcube propaganda till they make it a moving channel

[teal bloom]

That gif makes me happy

[strange python]

Where whelp Sims

[balmy condor]

it ain't even gonna be bis

why's everyone so excited to hear that it's just fine

[teal bloom]

It's a cute dragon baby

[strange python]

Cause I want confirmation I don't need to farm it

[storm forum]

i just wanna know if i can pet the baby whelp

[royal lantern]

wowhead made its typical clickbait post, what else lol

[drifting cosmos]

Because who doesn’t like training dragon!

[narrow inlet]

box bad :(

[strange python]

!log

[mint compass]

so whats the main reason for you guys liking sin v outlaw?

I'm thinking of switching it around but not sure if sin compares

[balmy condor]

yeah so the main reason I like sin

is because it isn't outlaw

:)

[mint compass]

lol

[balmy condor]

dogshit bone rolling wannabe pirate spec

[mint compass]

i guess for me it just feels kind of bad downgrading my dps

[balmy condor]

and you get carpal tunnel in the process

[hallow sage]

holy fuck whispyr leave the poor outlaws alone

sheesh

[balmy condor]

it's like a fury warrior with the worst parts of rogue smashed on top

[mint compass]

lol

[balmy condor]

I mean I say that

[mint compass]

is it as spammy as outlaw

[balmy condor]

but even fury warrior aoe is more interesting

fury is the original spam class

[hallow sage]

but outlaw is 💪

[balmy condor]

and then outlaw just decided that fury wasn't ADHD enough

and then popped another Adderall

[mint compass]

basically why i feel a tad burnt with outlaw currently

[hallow sage]

at least it isn't sub tho right guys

[balmy condor]

I would rather play sub without dance

before I play outlaw

single dance sub is pretty whack though

but yeh, without all the rage and hatred, sin is just super chill. It's still really difficult especially in m+ but now it's actually good so yay?

thematically stronger imo

abilities feel more important

cause you aren't smashing all them every 20 seconds

also a lot nicer to plan with

cause you aren't staring at a 3 min adrenaline rush cd that you magically are able to cast every 35 seconds

because that makes sense

[signal merlin]

agreed

[signal merlin]

also dots > all

[hallow sage]

why are you scared of cdr whispyr

[sharp zodiac]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[oak sky]

not everyone needs cdr

like

over half the specs in the game already have cdr

[hallow sage]

outlaw have had cdr since legion tho

possibly before that?

🤷

[balmy condor]

and I've hated it since legion

[oak sky]

there was no outlaw before legion

[balmy condor]

wow what a surprising twist

no one could've seen this coming

[oak sky]

cdr is outlaws gameplay mechnic

mechanic

cdr is to outlaw what bleeds and poisons are to sin

if you dont like cdr you dont like outlaw

[balmy condor]

I played sub for most of shadowlands, I played obedience for most of shadowlands, I played vendetta cdr boots in legion, I played vendetta cdr azerite power in bfa

I'm not scared of cdr

I just think it's fucking stupid sometimes

[oak sky]

i like cdr sometimes but i dont like how people feel like every spec should have it

[hallow sage]

outlaws fine, it's been busted and it's been awful and it's currently pretty strong, no need for hate on the spec gamers

not every spec or class in the game does though?

especially not to the level of outlaw?

[oak sky]

nobody has it to the level of outlaw

i like outlaw

[balmy condor]

it's pretty much every spec at this point

[oak sky]

but a huge amount of specs have cdr on their cds or some part of their kit

over half for sure

[balmy condor]

if you look at just shadowlands and dragonflight so far

you'll find that probably 90% of specs have cdr

[oak sky]

yep

i like cdr on a lot of those specs

i dont like that people think it should go on the specs that lack it

im glad duskwalkers is gone

[balmy condor]

the reverse question though for you, since apparently I'm scared of cdr

why are you scared of 2 min cds being 2 min inares

fucking smartass

[hallow sage]

because i like ape smash buttons sir

[slow marsh]

zoomers

[hallow sage]

lmao

im 31

not quite a zoomer

[oak sky]

non zoomer likes cdr

[hallow sage]

but ty qt

[oak sky]

zoomers dont

💀

this is new

[signal merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-world-of-warcraft-classic-rogue-rogue-pv-p-gif-18999746

now take this gif and add cdr

[oak sky]

but really though

i dont like or not like cdr

i like variety

[hallow sage]

i'm also still in the camp of siege of orgri being one of my favourite tiers and that was partly due to the strength of trinkets in that tier, one of which was the original cdr item

[oak sky]

i like specs being different

i like that frost mage exists having 100% uptime on its main cd

i like that outlaw has a bazillion cdr mechanics

i also like sin having a pure 2 minute

[slow marsh]

yeah outlaw dogshit spec honestly

[hallow sage]

sbs on outlaw

kekw

why you in ZM

[slow marsh]

yeah idk why that's showing but idgaf it's all getting changed later

[oak sky]

i think in random world content your SL shit still shows

anything outside dragon isles

[hallow sage]

not if you just delete it from the WA package

[slow marsh]

i popped into SL for a sec to bank a bunch of stuff and went back to isles and its there i guess

[cloud pike]

Just set it to be active by the talent, not spell known

[keen spruce]

needs more frogs

[hallow sage]

god damn

[slow marsh]

its all getting changed after 70 so i dont really care rn

[hallow sage]

you need a custom peepo artist @keen spruce

[keen spruce]

yeah hard to find good ones for some of the icons

this might be the new shadowdance one

I wish i could use gifs

for WA icons

[hallow sage]

our GM made a peepo of his female gnome

tryna find the gif

it haunts my dreams

[keen spruce]

adrenaline rush

[hallow sage]

@keen spruce

fuck why doesn't it work

cringe

[signal merlin]

between the eyes be like

[hallow sage]

there we go

[keen spruce]

thanks i hate it

[hallow sage]

another cursed one

imagine being that dedicated to a bit tho

[weak horizon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tough ferry]

Hey guys, if I have dagger 418, lariat 418 and another dagger 418 - what should my 4th craft be? Outlaw MH 418 or something else?

Trying to get maximum usage out of the sparks.

[storm onyx]

Offspec weapon makes sense, if you play it.

[tough ferry]

Ah ok, yeah that then.

Cause you can't benefit from more than 2 at a time right?

[storm onyx]

or if there is a slot that you lack and it just doesnt drop

for me it was a ring

Dont know if you are planning for a Cowl tho

Embelishments are limited to 2 yes, but you can wear crafted gear as you like

[ashen rover]

Speaking of crafted gear, what should I upgrade first with concentrated between cowl, lariat and dagger ? Probably weapon i think but I'm not sure

[slender sandal]

Do we still pool for envenoms?

[balmy condor]

Sorta? It’s less than 1% to pool perfectly versus not pool at all, so a lot of “newer” sin rogues won’t really bother. A lot of the old boomer Assassination rogues continue to do it out of habit mostly

[thorn crater]

boomers unite

[storm onyx]

Weapon always 1st

[balmy condor]

You should be going for main hand ilvl > lariat > cowl

If you have your crafted dagger in your offhand

And you already have a 418 main hand

[thorn crater]

im crafting a sword next

time to go BRRRRRR

[balmy condor]

Then just skip the dagger and do lariat

[ashen rover]

Okay that's what I thought, thanks for the answers

[polar matrix]

how do you start a thread for a log?

[loud light]

you do !log in the appropriate spec channel and the bot creates one for you

[polar matrix]

!log

[marble hemlock]

I'll take that as a personal jab

[slow marsh]

I'm sure you enjoyed it

[grim tree]

What gems do you recommend putting in the lariat?

[vestal wren]

just run a gem combinator

[balmy condor]

crit/mast or haste/mast usually

[olive linden]

Hey, with kb build we want to pair vanish+ex+dm+kb ? or just pop all on cd?

[little light]

Anyone got that Lariat image with the gem procs?

good morning btw

[remote shoal]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[little light]

ty

[remote shoal]

np

[balmy condor]

yep, everything syncs up

[jaunty nest]

Eye of the Vengeful Hurricane is bis neck for us?

[balmy condor]

lariat

eye of vengeful is a fuck ton of haste

why would it be bis

makes no sense

even without lariat

[jaunty nest]

ahhh my bad i looked at wowhead bis it said vault of incarnate bis

i thought it means overall bis

[balmy condor]

yeh nah

those bis lists are giga jokes

bis lists are already pretty dogshit to begin with

but the wowhead ones are just clickbait garbage for the most part

0 useful info

and that's coming from the dude who has to make them every patch

[quasi pine]

Hello, do you recommend going on adds or on boss as a sin player on diurna

[balmy condor]

always boss

diurna, dathea, raszageth

you're a sin rogue

you're on boss

anything else is trolling

[quasi pine]

Ok that's what u thought too, some people in my raid told me to go adds, that do not look like a good thing

[balmy condor]

yeh

not the smartest thing I've heard

[next edge]

Sit on boss

[grim tree]

Is it possible to play assa in raid m+ the other specializations I don't like their gameplay very much?

[plain onyx]

Of course, why not?

[tawny geyser]

When I play DTB with Exs in a 10 min fight, do I allign DM with Exs again? Because I have DM available in 2 mins and Exs in 3. If I use DM again without Exs then I have to wait another 2 min to be able to allign them together.

What is the best way to use it?

[frozen jasper]

Third dm should align almost automatically with exsang, no?

[remote shoal]

If u align every time in a 10 minute fight u lose an exsang cast so im gonna guess that its not worth

[frozen jasper]

Nvm 4th dm with 3rd exsang

[jaunty nest]

sensei neltharite or sesnsei alexstraszite for raid?

[balmy condor]

crit/mast and haste/mast are about the same, but you can always sim yourself

[polar matrix]

i swear ive lost like 1k+ dmg on my sim

over an couple hours

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tUzGM3F92he7eVSpPruKnJ

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5w2VzbT8AoFR8tDEPc2xFq

[subtle tundra]

One is kb one is dtb?

[polar matrix]

wait

but im literally looking at my in game talents