assassination

[marble hemlock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvVqKGpVfto&t=50s

[dark token]

Enhance was the same

[gusty mirage]

sub is fine

[marble hemlock]

this scene

only for DF pve

[dark token]

Boomie was better

[gusty mirage]

best video ever

[raw raft]

Performing as intended

[vestal wren]

but s3 and s4 don't count

[spice spire]

Real

[dark token]

I've never seen as unbalanced specs as destro and surv in s3/4

But they did nothing

[vestal wren]

i actually think it is mostly a lack of data

[gusty mirage]

not true

they buffed destro 2 weeks into season 3

by 10%

[thorny pond]

Can’t admit they were wrong and scale it back

[raw raft]

Don’t worry guys we are top dps in all the cringe dungeons no one likes to play

[vestal wren]

i don't think balance is easy to assume, so the buffs/nerfs are usually just reactive on either wcl or a similar statistic

[thorny pond]

Better drink my own piss and nerf sin

[vestal wren]

or based on meta/power level estimates from streamers/influencers

[gusty mirage]

meanwhile I'm looking at sub rogue teetering off in season 3

like mmkay

eons are still being used 3 months into the tier

this isn't problematic for anyone at blizzard ig

[vestal wren]

i mean

[thorn fjord]

I played sub in keys all of S2

[vestal wren]

lets be fair

[marble hemlock]

if they didnt nerf it week1 of DF

[gusty mirage]

assassination had like a 17% tier set

[vestal wren]

subtlery would have ended as the least played spec at the start of the tier

[gusty mirage]

and still did mediocre damage

[dark token]

S2 it was actually the best key spec tho

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

we wouldve used EoN in DF still

[raw raft]

Never forget when blizzard was bullied by the internet to take back the destro and dk nerfs in s3

[vestal wren]

if eon did not exist

[gusty mirage]

if eon didn't exist, sub would've been dead like it was in bfa

I honest to god believe that

and I was so hype for sub coming back in SL

[vestal wren]

probably not wrong

[gusty mirage]

and then I played it the first month

and I was like bro

what

[vestal wren]

haha

[thorny pond]

Which time bro?

[vestal wren]

i think a lot of ppl did get a reality check first 2 weeks

when subtlety did

[gusty mirage]

before I was forced to play outlaw so I could actually be useful in keys

[vestal wren]

surprisingly perform as shit as in sims

[gusty mirage]

because it surely wasn't for damage

because outlaw didn't do damage either

[thorny pond]

Fist weave brother. Welcome to irrelevant hell

[vestal wren]

outalw did aoe

keep in mind

subtlety bp did hit like week noodle in s1

[thorn fjord]

Yeah we forget it needed the buff towards the end of s2

[vestal wren]

they did buff it in s2

[gusty mirage]

you just brought a boomkin to compensate

for rogue damage

[thorny pond]

Literally cucked

[dark token]

It's really hype now tho

Actually so fun rotation

[dark moth]

@gusty mirage should I press puzzle pox after death mark?

[gusty mirage]

you should go back to farming halls of infusion

[vestal wren]

DF did at least bring sub up on par

[gusty mirage]

you still owe me a +20 jet

I didn't forget

[vestal wren]

i think the main problem in DF so far is that specs being bad often means they are rly bad

[dark token]

All 3 specs have a fun rotation rn except sin which has exang dogshit opener

[vestal wren]

like assassination in sustained aoe

[dark token]

Which is why I went sub

[raw raft]

You know guys they gotta buff warlock because all the warlock mains won’t play it if they don’t

[vestal wren]

i think exsang hate is a bit overshooting now

i mean, i have my reasons to not like the spell

but the 3 minute cooldown makes it far less of a problem

[thorn fjord]

Yeah its kind of a minor nuisance at this point

[thorny pond]

3min CD that has low impact though. 45 was too short but 3min is just clunky

[sour hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn fjord]

Should have just made it a minute

[vestal wren]

i do like it on a long cooldown

image

if it was a 5 minute cooldown

but twice the impact

[signal badger]

Make it a two min to line up with dm and maybe nerf it a bit since it’s lining up

[thorn fjord]

5m it increases dmg but doesnt reduce the time of the actual dot

[raw raft]

Exsang on a 2 min maybe

[thorn fjord]

that would be kinda cool

[thorny pond]

Longer CD DM

[raw raft]

HUH

[thorny pond]

Just make it all bleed damage within last x seconds is replicated at the target over y seconds

Makes it good for AoE

And an ST gain

[candid slate]

Sup everyone
I have a question
If I'm wearing grieftorch and puzzle box, fight is going to be around 3 minutes, so I can use box only once per fight
And we have a lot of people dying, especially in the start, so I can reset my grieftorch pretty often
Should I hold the box for exectute phase on deathmark + kb, since I feel like it's gonna do more dam
Or should I use it from start with exsang?

Sim does it from start, but it does not include people resetting grieftorch ofc
And also sim does box after exsang and kb, which is wrong(?)

[thorny pond]

Box before CDs

Why are so many people just eating shit so early?

[ebon notch]

yeah i was about to ask

if its early prog i wouldnt play around grieftorch being reset a lot

that will smoothen out over time

just follow the rules for puzzlebox

!puzzle

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[shut owl]

seeing parses with 4-5 grieftorch casts in a 2-3 min fight makes me sad inside

[dark token]

I didn't mind the 45s usage

Where I hate it is the opener

Thus, CD on it doesn't matter

[shut owl]

honestly kinda wish it was back on the shorter cd but just less aggressive timing fuckery

[thorn fjord]

See we’re opposites… I don’t mind it in the opener but I do mind it mid fight

[shut owl]

having it as a free "get my dot value on this target" in dungeons felt really nice when I was leveling

[winter vapor]

is there an easy way to sim different talent builds using top gear or do i have to manually enter them to compare

[shut owl]

you can use the simc string in whispyrs spreadsheet to sim all of his at once

just copy-paste it to the end of your simc input

[winter vapor]

ah ty

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[cerulean nest]

howre those whelp shell sims coming

[slim hamlet]

From what I understand I doubt it will be done this week

[candid slate]

We're doing raid sales so we often have lots of people dying

So it's kinda worth it playing around grieftorch

[thorny pond]

Ah paid actors

[candid slate]

When it does like 15-20% of your dps

[thorny pond]

Think the play is probably just bleeds torch and ride out a mini rotation to box that DM

long as your DM is before 40sec

you get two still

[desert orchid]

All these trinket talks and I just wish I could get any to drop at this point, sigh.

[candid slate]

Cause I was doing torch in opener, so I get like 2-3-4 bonus torches
And then just hold the box till execute phase with dm kb
Especially if the fight is like 2:20-30

[thorny pond]

Yea but you probably lose that last torch

napkin mathing you'd trade last torch for that held box

[candid slate]

It does desync with resets so u can get both of trinkets

[indigo epoch]

Which you using atm?

[candid slate]

Rocking that 372 box FeelsGoodMan

[thorny pond]

I made the assumption the lemmings all died sub 30sec

If you can drag some followers around for optimal die time

then yea, lob some torches

"carry 3, jump off now. a heroic trinket is doing more DPS than you"

[candid slate]

iirc Echo were doing something like that on last boss since they had like 8-9 torches at the time

[thorny pond]

That's echo

with 60% raid coverage

so yea that's believable

[dusty yacht]

any suggesion on what should I craft with the 4th spark?
I have cowl, lariat and one dagger
as ring I have diurna's and cos so I don't think it's worth to craft a finger

[desert orchid]

385 Lifeflame Ampoule and a 372 Gral's Discarded Tooth

[thorny pond]

Off-spec sword if you law, bracers/cloak/boots/belt lowest ilvl

[candid slate]

this
but yeah off-spec sword is a pretty good thing, unless u raid mythic and have a chance to get it in raid

[vapid sierra]

just got puzzlebox on my second run

[candid slate]

because switching your vault to outlaw is just missing a chance to get 421 dagger

[vapid sierra]

pulled 53.1k on my first run as sin, kinda doodoo

[dusty yacht]

I don't do outlaw and I have kurog fist in case, but I'll see between off-set pieces thanks

are the engi bracers worth? even if they give one stat

[thorny pond]

You can run a droptimizer for crafteds

that's honestly what I'd do

[dusty yacht]

oh right, I forgot

thanks

[subtle tundra]

wtf is sub why does it do so much dps

[thorny pond]

yea but sub has short arms

so

point sin

[subtle tundra]

why do i do more dmg on sub than on assa in m+?????????????????????????? when i cant even fucking play it properly

no way this is balanced

[soft glen]

Off hand, does anyone know the caps for Assassination?

[oak sky]

Bp sectech bp bp bp bp rupture rupture rupture rupture

[subtle tundra]

its just the shadow dance

that you have to do correctly

which is a dance now

i like

[gusty mirage]

there are none

[vapid sierra]

because sub has the best aoe out of the three

[oak sky]

Literally dance is just sectech 2nd finisher no?

Do you try to enter with cp or anything even

[strange python]

32

[subtle tundra]

idk???????????

[soft glen]

Thank you Oxi

[subtle tundra]

I LITERALLY DONT KNOW

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

Oxi has abandoned the 32% crit club

[subtle tundra]

i did my 2nd key as sub and did more than i ever did on assa in the dungeon

on a good assa dungeon

[oak sky]

Prolly like enter with 7 then dance bp storm sectech then spam bp

If i had to guess

[strange python]

Meanwhile I have 42% crit and just started simming above 80k

[vestal wren]

means you need to improve on assassination ofc

[subtle tundra]

fuck

he got me

i will improve with ic dtb

[strange python]

Huh

[vapid sierra]

im running sim now that i got puzzle box

[subtle tundra]

surely this change means assa will do better now

[oak sky]

They got me playing sub in s3 and i lost brain cells

[vapid sierra]

the issue with sin is that its intricate and doesnt ahve any indepth aoe guides

outlaw plently of guides and all you do is hit blade flurry

[vestal wren]

claw build for max dps

[oak sky]

Spam black powder was so crazy easy

[subtle tundra]

huh

wtf?

[vapid sierra]

?

[candid slate]

Zerocool is mainly playing assa and does stream really often

You can check him out for M+

[oak sky]

💀

[subtle tundra]

yea why doesnt whispyr tell you every gcd of the dungeon

[oak sky]

Yeah varas learn from zerocool

Get it done

[vestal wren]

i think he is joking

[subtle tundra]

im tired

dont joke

[oak sky]

Pick yourself up by your bootstraps

[subtle tundra]

and im mad

cause sub does this dps

while assa peepee

[oak sky]

Is it just always dark brew

[strange python]

Zerocool > varas at sin keys.

[strange python]

No

[vestal wren]

assassination just needs a filler

when IC is up

[subtle tundra]

crying

[oak sky]

Better group = better

[oak sky]

Its called ct

[subtle tundra]

i dont have time to play 10 hours a day like he does, skill issue ig

[vestal wren]

CT slaps

let me see

moment

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[strange python]

At least you acknowledge it

[vestal wren]

8 targets

[vapid sierra]

where can i find a good aoe guide?

[oak sky]

Faq or wowhead

[vestal wren]

bp for sub on 8

[vapid sierra]

could someone sim my droptimizer? i dont have raidbots premium

[oak sky]

Shouldnt we be simming the m+ build as opposed to a full aoe build because its more practical

[vapid sierra]

it says this on the wowhead guide

for sin

sin doesnt get crimson vial

[subtle tundra]

[vapid sierra]

unless im tripping

[subtle tundra]

wat

[teal bloom]

we have crimson vial

[vapid sierra]

where?

[oak sky]

Its default buddy

You just have it

[vapid sierra]

ah in the rogue tree

im stupid

[random fossil]

[oak sky]

Not in any tree

You just have the spell

[vapid sierra]

dude im stupid

[oak sky]

Nimble fingers just looks like crimson vial

[vapid sierra]

so do you guys play dtb or ic+kb for m+? im on the wowhead and ic+kb is only recommended on academy even tho it sims higher

[trail tree]

i prefer dtb but i play ic+kb on most dungeons for fort week

[oak sky]

Ic kb

[indigo epoch]

I like ic/kb better but only run 15's

[oblique jackal]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[woven frost]

I do IC+KB when I need massive add damage. DTB+exsang build is handy for priority targets; I find that works better for Tyrannical weeks. Below 15’s IC+KB across the board is going to be good since you won’t have a ton of time for bleeds and poisons to tick before things die.

[limpid ermine]

Mass iron wire on pulls is nice with IC, but just what you are most comfortable with

[lusty surge]

I've really liked ic kb in keys, utility is very nice in most dungeons

That said I did a 20 NO last night where I just wished I was playing dtb or OL

Feels like way too many non silenceable mobs

Though vanish IC is clutch on the last boss

[subtle tundra]

wat

dtb?

no is the 2nd best ic dungeon

its extremely good

[lusty surge]

Hmm

Maybe I just misused it

I've felt like I get more value out of IC in vaults, academy, rlp

[oak sky]

Academy yeah

[lusty surge]

It's also possible it was just a comp issue and ic would've felt better

[subtle tundra]

if you mean the silence

you can just...

not get the silence

[oak sky]

5+ mobs ic is much much better for damage though

[subtle tundra]

but ic is the prime aoe

we have

its really strong on big pulls

which NO is full of

[lusty surge]

Yea true

I didn't have any issues with the damage

I just felt like I was not contributing and why bring sin lol

[subtle tundra]

also iron wire isnt only silence

its DR

[lusty surge]

I know that's contradictory

[subtle tundra]

aswell

[lusty surge]

Yea

[shut owl]

the DR is big

[lusty surge]

Our demo lock was still just getting 2 stacks of bleed and getting gibbed

[subtle tundra]

i mean, yea, why bring sin when you can go sub

[lusty surge]

On trash around 1st boss

Right

When I am rogue with divine toll in some of those other dungeons

I feel more justified lol

[subtle tundra]

tbh i felt bad in these keys with sub

lol

no silences

shit prio without sacrificing

[shut owl]

it does damage. thats what it does

[subtle tundra]

sure fking does

[shut owl]

I sure don't understand it but its a thing. I still cant figure out why my damage is like 20% sectec

and some other sub rogue its like 5%

but we're the same damage

[oak sky]

Probably gear or other rotational things

Maybe you guys are both doing something wrong but theyre different things

[shut owl]

hopefully the latter

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/Jwx8z/09cc2dd6cd.jpg

azure vault

[shut owl]

sexy

[vestal wren]

nice

[shut owl]

are we supposed to be double-tapping garrote in our vanish windows on st?

[lusty surge]

Wp, what keylevel

[ebon notch]

Which build did you run

[marble hemlock]

kb+ic

[marble hemlock]

24

[ebon notch]

Nice

I hate azure vault

It's so long

[lusty surge]

Very nice

[ebon notch]

I haven't tried the frog skip route yet

[scarlet sable]

Damn

Sin rogues blasting in the azure vault 24

[shut owl]

been trying to parse through logs and I see a lot of vanish-garrote-garrote, and I don't know if the extra garrote is worth outside of some exsang angle maybe?

[scarlet sable]

how do I get like you

[ebon notch]

Play gooder

That's it

[desert orchid]

Doesn’t it extend the empowered garrote?

[thorn fjord]

Ive seen alot of Vanish Gar gar Rupture to DM also

Ive just been doing that

[shut owl]

only by 30%cuz pandemic, so I dunno if thats worth the cast in most cases... and if its in your opener you should be at pretty close to max cuz garrote pandemic dm window lines up like that right?

[thorn fjord]

Im not seeing it in opener... Seeing it during the fight

[shut owl]

like. if you just run up and doubletap garrote you get a 23 second garrote

[desert orchid]

Yea, not during the opener

But mid fight vanish I could see why

[thorn fjord]

and i think you would do the double gar after vanish if ER is still on CD

[formal cliff]

When stream

[shut owl]

yeah, like... I feel like theres probably a case to be made for your 2nd exsang window or something... but is the extra 6 seconds worth at your 2m mark?

[lament warren]

we could do the math

[thorn fjord]

Feels easier just doing it that way to get the bleeds up and DM out

Faster and less thought

[shut owl]

cuz 6 seconds of extra garrote is gonna be what... (198% x 1.5 /18) (6?

[thorn fjord]

I cant math

so you lost me

[lament warren]

it’s mostly the fact that it gives you more exsang ticks

on dm builds without exsang you just refresh the bleed in deathmark

[shut owl]

yeah, but your 2m isn't gonna be exsanged

[thorn fjord]

Seeing the double garrote being used w/o exsang also

yeah we're talking 2m DM

[shut owl]

I'm not talking about double garrote from opener

I'm talking about seeing it on every vanish

[lament warren]

we’re not disagreeing

[shut owl]

and seeing it in 8/9 logs that I've looked at this week... to include mine, and I'm wondering if its just a bad habit to curb

[lament warren]

it is probably fine

[thorn fjord]

Could be the dmg from the gar is better than just mutilating so you build the cp with both gar to get the rupture up

[lament warren]

ya

it’s equivalent cp to garrote from vanish

you only get two

putting it into pandemic is fine

[shut owl]

anyways... 297%/18s is an imp garrote's dps yeah?

[lament warren]

but i think if it pandemics on your first cast you might just want to slam an ambush

more or less

not accounting for 4pc

[shut owl]

not getting into the weeds of the .405

[lament warren]

and lethal dose

[shut owl]

yeah, I'm just gonna look at raw to start

and see if theres a discernable difference before I start looking for edge case

cuz if the diff is nothing then I don't need to bother

[thorn fjord]

@shut owl how far are you guys in to prog?

[shut owl]

H raz

[thorn fjord]

Ah

[shut owl]

this is an AOTC casual guild

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha

[shut owl]

I finally got 4p after crafting cowl, so now I dont have cowl again lol

damn near had to break an evoker's legs

cuz this man took 5 pieces of tier from me

in 2 weeks

[thorn fjord]

My heroic parses are pretty good but my Mythic ones are pretty bad currently

RIP

[shut owl]

after joining... two weeks ago

[thorn fjord]

Evoker took all of tier week 1 and one day of week 2

[shut owl]

and being bottom of the chart

[thorn fjord]

Then the GM took some too but i got lucky and got some in vault

[shut owl]

we've had almost all tier go to evokers

[thorn fjord]

they fed me Tuesday

and Sunday

[shut owl]

I rolled a 100 vs 5 evokers for pants last week

[thorn fjord]

Jesus

[shut owl]

and finally got shoulders off diurna this week

[lament warren]

yolked

[thorn fjord]

How many of those are healers?

[shut owl]

we have an average of 2 evokers during prog, but 7-8 in our loot pool farm night somehow

[thorn fjord]

Thats annoying

[shut owl]

yes

VERY

[spice spire]

I said the best 3 evokers make it

[shut owl]

looking at new guilds to actually do prog with atm

[thorn fjord]

we have 2 warriors 2 Evokers Me and 2 Monks

[spice spire]

We went from 8/3

[shut owl]

1 war, 1 rogue (me), 2 monks, and some floating number between 2 and 10 evokers

[thorn fjord]

Luckily the only people who had higher prio was 1 war and 1 evoker.. i was third in the list lol

[spice spire]

3 war, 3 rogues (for now)3 evokers, 0 monke

[thorn fjord]

Evoker is a big dick dpser who's like top 20 and the warrior is the GM lol

[thorn fjord]

Gotta get one of them rogues to swap to WW

[spice spire]

Me and two outlaws

[shut owl]

back to mathing... 6 seconds of imp garrote is worth... almost 100% attack power

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

EZ have them paper rock scissors

What server you on @shut owl

[lament warren]

whatever conclusion you come to make sure you double it bc of deathmark

[shut owl]

IM ON YOURS

[thorn fjord]

Also can i just call you Jackie? lol if not then nm

[spice spire]

Literally hyjal

Brother

[thorn fjord]

jesus christ

[shut owl]

we are friends!

[spice spire]

There’s like 80 hyjal rogues here

[thorn fjord]

How do i not keep track of this

[spice spire]

Dieslow and I are friends too

And I’ve never ran a key with him (my own fault)

[shut owl]

same

[thorn fjord]

My fault too tbh

[lament warren]

@weary dome ur my friend right

surely..

[shut owl]

anyways.

[lament warren]

[thorn fjord]

I think Leviathan might be recruiting... @fair current mentioned that they had fallen apart but are in the process of rebuilding

[shut owl]

6 seconds of imp garrote is definitely worth more than a mutilate

[lament warren]

ya

[shut owl]

probably less than an ambush but meh

worth less than a SbS for sure

[thorn fjord]

I think we'd rather cast Gar over Ambush tho

[shut owl]

and potentionally less than an envenom depending on your CP

[marble pebble]

question, how big is the difference between assassination and outlaw in the current meta? Just hit 70 and wondering how all the different rogue specs compete with one another

[shut owl]

if you've got 4p, then the imp gar is probably worth more than the envenom, but not more than the sbs

I can sleep at night now. ty for coming to my ted talk

[thorn fjord]

So are you going to Van gar gar rup now? 😛

[shut owl]

as a habit? probably if I'm in the zone

since I've got 4p now

well

not on the pull

[thorn fjord]

i was over thinking in turn tanking my dmg by trying to hold off for ER then ER vanish Gar rup Gar in to DM

[shut owl]

I dunno anything about that gar gar rup

[thorn fjord]

but that was fucking things up

So im erasing that whole interaction from my brain

[shut owl]

mash blue button when it lights up. thats my ER thonks

blue sword ready? hit it

blue bubble active? spend it

[thorn fjord]

Yeah i need to start just doing that too

My Terros log was AWFUL

[shut owl]

definitely an optimization to not lose CP on it, but even completely losing my mind on it and overcapping every single time still seemed better than holding and missing one or some dumbness

[thorn fjord]

i find my self playing better when im not constantly thinking of optimization and when i just flow with the vibe.. smashing buttons on cd lol

overcapping wasnt my issue it was trying to gain as much value so i would continue holding... which fucked my dmg lol

[shut owl]

oh, wait. I'm a derp. I can just get my 4p hands from inspiration catalyst. cool.

[lusty surge]

Doesn't garrote do an instant tick when you cast it too

Or are you accounting for that

[thorn fjord]

in two weeks tho

[shut owl]

yeah yeah. but I have no means of getting 4p this week unless I suddenly do mythic tier bosses out of the blue

so thats a problem for next week/2 week from now jackie

[shut owl]

no.

[thorn fjord]

if you guys are up to H Raz you should be able to down council and E on M

[versed canopy]

ive having to slow down button mashing since i came from outlaw

[spice spire]

It was fine just had some issues with it

[shut owl]

specifically the extra 6 seconds of garrote should be falling outside of dm

[thorn fjord]

Green numbers are NOT fine

[spice spire]

Prog boss buddy

Kill is a kill is a kill

[thorn fjord]

Our DH got a 99 😦

[spice spire]

Later on? Yeah green bad

[thorn fjord]

Er DK*

yeah next week we getting them grape parses

[shut owl]

yeah... definitely reviewed a few logs and was like... "your damage is fine, your boss time was dogshit for your cd's and half the raid was dead, what do you expect"

I finally got my first purple heroic this week lol

go me. I can play council finally

[spice spire]

Council is pretty easy

[thorn fjord]

Minus 1-2 bosses im 90+ on heroic

[shut owl]

100k without 4p XD

next target is 120k

[spice spire]

Our diurna kill was painful.
4 people alive on kill.
Hate swapping tanks man

[thorn fjord]

Just 3 tank forehead

[spice spire]

Debated it

Our third outlaw is a tank swap

[thorn fjord]

Yeah we did too lol

Our Balance is ours

[spice spire]

Came from tank to rogue

Society man

[shut owl]

my wife was like "why am I not parsing well on diurna, all the other monks are doubling my dps"... and I'm like... "well... they did 1m damage to the boss, and you did 12m damage to the boss, so that should say a lot about how we do that fight"

[thorn fjord]

Self care is a thing you should know

[shut owl]

we won't get diurna without vantus runes anytime soon, so we won't get raz for a hot minute lol

[spice spire]

I was also adds on our first diurna kill. Btw sin not great for it

[shut owl]

yeah nah

[thorn fjord]

H Raz is really easy once you get p3 down imo

[shut owl]

come join me in the grey parse land of egg-tending

what's p3? we're stuck on 2nd knockback of p1 lol

[thorn fjord]

I was adds playing OL but our other rogue came in and he only plays OL so i was able to sin and sit boss THANK GOD

[spice spire]

Nah I passed that off

[shut owl]

egg-tending actually hilariously great for sin from a raid-lead perspective... very little/no damage loss on boss

just eternal suffering

as your main dps loss is the energy funneling into feint/vial because your healer hates you

[spice spire]

Diurna is fine, people just aped out

[shut owl]

one of the rougher pulls was a solid 20 feints/10 vials lol

I don't know that it kept me alive, but i have to hope that it was worth it

[thorn fjord]

You guys aotc yet @spice spire

[spice spire]

Nah we hit raz last night was rough mythic first this week

Then AotC push with the 20 man team

[versed canopy]

my guild is on normal raz

[thorn fjord]

How’s mythic been going

[spice spire]

Instead of the full 28-30

Won’t know until we start Wednesday

[thorn fjord]

We took a full night to down Terros… damn near gave our RL a heart attack 😑

Well my guild is no longer doing heroic if either of you need a stand in @shut owl @spice spire 🤣

I don’t need gear off anything either

[shut owl]

oof

busy tues/thursday? 😛

[thorn fjord]

I know quake is full tho

[spice spire]

Yes sir.
Solving roster stuff first, but if you’re ever in need message me

[thorn fjord]

What time

[spice spire]

Gotta replace my heroic raz trinket

[shut owl]

9-midnight est

[thorn fjord]

Rip we raid 730-1030 server time

[spice spire]

6 hour raid team, what gluttons

[thorn fjord]

I could join at 9 but could only stay till 10

But yeah 1030-130 est tues thurs sun

Lmk @shut owl

[shut owl]

aight

[thorn fjord]

Hoping for erranog ring out of box next week

[shut owl]

if I knew we were gonna save a lockout I'd ask you to suffer some bird-prog... but I think we're moving to a 1-night heroic model so I dunno whats gonna happen lol

[thorn fjord]

Which guild?

[split cipher]

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[brazen zodiac]

@balmy condor

we did it

:)

[balmy condor]

:)

[brazen zodiac]

:))))

:::::)))))))))))

[balmy condor]

okay but I don't need m+ anymore

so

[brazen zodiac]

oh fuck

i guess you're the real winner here.

[thorn fjord]

Way to piss on the parade @balmy condor 🤣

[brazen zodiac]

got my 20 ruby trinket thing, now to begin the 7 day training process

[thorn fjord]

Good luck… let us know how it goes

I ain’t doing that shit

[rain oyster]

4 20s a week, fuck m+

[thorn fjord]

420

Nice

[rain oyster]

Ayyyy

[strange python]

I refuse to do this until whispyr Sims it

[fathom nest]

what you even wanna train on it?

[strange python]

Tbd

Fire proc did insane damage for DH, but the stat procs are also big

[balmy condor]

I mean you could just train something and if it's wrong you train that instead

[strange python]

I'm also out of town, don't like RLP, and want to use you as an excuse

[balmy condor]

fair

[strange python]

Chop chop

[normal olive]

restored the shell yesterday where do i sign up

[spice spire]

Navi, what opener would you recommend with the shell?

[normal olive]

gonna have to see next week

guild isn't doing normal anymore so i can start pugging and work on new openers coming next week

[spice spire]

God bless

The theorycrafting grustle of worst openers imaginable.
Never forget

[normal olive]

i wonder how much cold blood works on kidney

[balmy condor]

it doesnt

[normal olive]

thats the thing

[shut owl]

lol

[normal olive]

we use it anyways

[balmy condor]

I thought you wanted to cold blood the 1cp CT

[normal olive]

nah was thinking about cold blood -> poisoned knife -> rupture -> DM -> exang

[shut owl]

inc new m+ tech: cb AP/CT

[normal olive]

damn i don't have the bfa openers saved anymore

what a shame

[oblique jackal]

Should we be simming Execute patchwork or regular?

[scarlet sable]

I really wanna play sin but can’t get myself to learn it

[spice spire]

Regular

[oblique jackal]

ty ty

sorry.. should've asked that questions earlier lol

[scarlet sable]

The defensive sheet has nothing on it

Real or bug?

[spice spire]

Real. Time is sketch for everyone.
It’s a manual entry type thing. I know whispyr and I are going to add stuff this weekend.

I’ve been tied up in guild stuff

[brazen zodiac]

day 1 of training my dragon: i lost it. item restore

[thorn fjord]

lol

[slim hamlet]

how do you guys not unalive automatically when playing sin on spiteful keys?

[thorn fjord]

unalive?

[slim hamlet]

yes

fall over

deadge

[thorn fjord]

oh

Evasion kidney run away

[strange python]

press evasion kekw

[normal olive]

let my prot pally cc the ghost that is targeting me

[slim hamlet]

yes but no restealth

[normal olive]

just have tanks that chain pull anyway so its not a new problem :)

[versed mica]

Here we go again

[slim hamlet]

smartr

[slim hamlet]

same

[marble bane]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

That’s a red cev screenshot

[balmy condor]

do you have red whispyr screenshots

[oak sky]

dude remember when the spiteful had elastigirl arms

[spice spire]

Yes

[cloud moat]

Been playing almost exclusively Sin in M+ until this week. Feels so fucking horribly bad I couldn't take it anymore and decided to start pumping the numbers and enjoying the game as Sub

Alternatively, spam Stealth after the mobs die and pray to god you enter it before the Spiteful cunts pull you into combat, so you may actually be able to do something as Assa this week

Or bribe the tank into patiently waiting in-between each pull until each ghostboi is finally dead

[normal olive]

man idk how you guys do keys but my tanks 99% of the time already stand in the next pack before the current pack dies

[cloud moat]

Sub somehow feels so much more fluid too. Got facefucked by the spitefuls spawning next to me as Sin multiple times per dungeon, but as Sub haven't died once. That's probably just skill issue though

[cloud moat]

Without spiteful you may be able to hang back just a bit and still get the stealth off

[gentle gyro]

i haven't tried sub yet, is it more or less the same as in SL?

[teal bloom]

Spiteful+grievous

[normal olive]

i only do that when i know the pack is gonna die shortly and i have IC without vanish up

[thorn fjord]

eh i loved SL sub in keys towards the end... Not feeling sub this time around.. The dance Macabre capstone is yucky imo

[slim hamlet]

Just spam SS as sub from the other side of the map

still hits it

[cloud moat]

Crippling SS spam and the spitecunts never get close

So chill

[gentle gyro]

i'm just plying outlaw in keys, fuck re-stealthing

[slim hamlet]

Does spiteful prio ranged btw?

Because I feel like I almost never get a spiteful

[teal bloom]

I just did a RLP+15 where we wiped 4 times at the last boss because the tank somehow kept losing aggro and the boss meleed us to death the things I do for weekly vault

[slim hamlet]

u mean lil guy?

He randomly sucks melees off

even with tank aggro

[teal bloom]

I got killed by both the dragon and guy in different pulls

[cloud moat]

Haven't seen that happening before

[teal bloom]

My strategy in getting into M+ groups is to find someone with the lowest mythic+ score

[cloud moat]

Could it have something to do with tank running out of range during https://www.wowhead.com/spell=381512/stormslam

So the boss slams the highest threat target in range instead

[slim hamlet]

Yea that is a thing

also when he jumps off drkae

he insta slams closest target

[teal bloom]

Oh okay

[frigid kestrel]

Where in the hell did you dig this one up from? Fuck, this is a throw back.

[spice spire]

I got heaters in the vault man

[thorn fjord]

Whats the command line to sim weapon embellishments?

Helping a guildy he has fang but wants to sim Grips

[slim hamlet]

just click + in top gear

[thorn fjord]

Where?

Dont see the option

Dumb is dumb

[balmy condor]

little + icon

on the gear piece

[slim hamlet]

hmm

Onehander

[thorn fjord]

i see it

Ty 🙂

[slim hamlet]

Are you a secret outlaw enjoyer?

[balmy condor]

not my sim

[frigid kestrel]

TBF we have this so it’s not hard not to get hit, in comparison to when we didn’t have it

[slim hamlet]

Sure buddy

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jChmqa2jMQ931XJN6yRKVn

look yourself

[slim hamlet]

All I meant with my message was about restealthing

Getting hit is no issue for rogue

[frigid kestrel]

O, that I don’t care to much about

[slim hamlet]

U even have a whole alt for your guilty pleasure

smh

[magic vine]

dm keystone is just a bunch of passive damage, you don't actively track it or anything

theres a couple optimizations available because of it, but its mostly just "there"

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but the idea of casting different shit each time for more gains hurts my mind

[magic vine]

nah just do evis as finisher 1 and sec tec as finisher 2, and the builders is just normal priority "don't overcap cp" stuff

[thorn fjord]

hmm

In that case maybe i was over thinking it

[magic vine]

yea its easy to look at and think its something you need to worry about maximizing, when in reality its not something you need to think about really

[oak sky]

its kinda cool

[thorn fjord]

That changes things then

I'll try sub again in keys and see how that goes

[oak sky]

it makes you want to use different finishers and use your strongest finisher last

and then you get to spam strong filler

[thorn fjord]

which would be sec tech with cb right?

[oak sky]

yeah

so you want to black powder first

or evisc

[magic vine]

its sort of like how you don't try to play around the envenom buff really

[oak sky]

then sectech 2nd finisher

[magic vine]

you want it up with kb, but you don't try to do super precise things with it

[shut owl]

macro gloomblade into your dance button, instantly get one stack of danse damage, rip a spender, rebuild with ss(if expose is down)/ShSt, then rip a sectec with cb macro'd in. congrats you're now ripping stupidly strong sectecs with 3 buttons.

I feel like half of playing sub atm is just making good macros

[oak sky]

pretty sure you use it on cd then hold cb until its up

[cloud moat]

Was overthinking the passive previously as well and tried to maximize the stacks before using Sectec on Council. Recently went to check the top parses and it's literally just Powder>SS>Sectec into SS Powder spam

[magic vine]

yup

like the stacks are strong, but most of the time the normal priority things you already do as a rogue are still more important than another stack

[thorn fjord]

This all makes alot of sense

And tornado would be cast before dance now right?

[magic vine]

ie build as many cp as possible in the lowest number of gcd without overcapping, follow your normal spend rules

yea if you're playing tornado you cast before dance because it doesn't trigger dm stacks.

[storm forum]

anyone know what's good dps for each dungeon? I did like 75k in an NO, but like 45k in the CoS right after.

[thorn fjord]

tbh i miss just hitting flag -> tornado lol

[magic vine]

all depends on how the tank is pulling, along with how much the other guys are doing sometimes

[cloud moat]

This way you don't get the guaranteed weakness or dm stack from SS though? Feels wonky to me, so I usually cast it after sectec like a pleb

The stack isn't worth it? Just Powder into sectec with tornado active?

[magic vine]

honestly i just uh, don't play tornado. its better if you need the specific burst for like an add phase, but over the course of like a m+ its a minor loss to not take it

[thorn fjord]

Just so used to it

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

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[cloud moat]

While you're here giving advice, is dance>SS>strike>evis>gloom>strike>sectec>vanish>strike anywhere near optimal for single target in M+

Been doing that one because it feels right

[thorn fjord]

Damn subbers hijacked the sin channel

Partly my fault tho lol

[magic vine]

well, after the first evis you should strike

then if you land on 4cp you can gloom

[storm forum]

ngl i thought you were talking about the CoS trinket when y'all said tornado

[dark token]

I do 100k NO, 70k cos

[storm forum]

damn i suck

[thorn fjord]

Higher avg numbers usually means theyre doing higher lvl dungeons

You're not going to get those huge numbers on a 15 the same way you would on a 23

[oak hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[cloud moat]

Pretty sure the spitecunts are artificially boosting/fucking your DPS values since they keep you in combat in-between pulls, so if you don't pad your damage on them, you'll be disappointed looking at the values at the end of the dungeons

[topaz bluff]

Great week to be a nelf

[magic vine]

might want to keep an eye on your healer's mana though, murdering the spiteful to get them able to drink faster is often very helpful

[topaz bluff]

No pug waits for healer mana; ride or die is the motto in pug world.

[thorn fjord]

Rag pugs maybe

🤣

[topaz bluff]

Azralon says hi

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-22164679

[shut owl]

my damage in a 4 was about 25k the other day vs 70k in a 16 today. its a very weird vibe playing a dot class sometimes

that said, I was doing more st damage on bosses than the rest of the group combined so I felt vindicated

[thorn fjord]

Tyranical packs die pretty quick so you're not going to be seeing them big numbers as much

[shut owl]

in the 4*

[thorn fjord]

Fort weeks them weeks to PUMP UP THE JAM

[topaz bluff]

The initial pull in HoV up to the dragon on higher keys always feels good.

[thorn fjord]

que marky mark

[normal olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bVLdZnkMtiWMoVrkN6BWUH

[shut owl]

that one is very juicy

[normal olive]

man i hate that the fucking 385 2 set is so strong

[thorn fjord]

I love the first pull in AA

[normal olive]

this shit is stupid

[shut owl]

is it really? weirdge

[normal olive]

been sitting on it because spending all my valor would be a really minor upgrade

[vapid sierra]

is it typically a gain to drop cttc?

[iron charm]

how high does keys need to be for assas to be good in keys ?

[shut owl]

honestly probably depends more on if you are overgeared for the key than anything. sin felt fine to me in any keys where I wasn't running with ilvl 400+ in a sub-10

[magic vine]

its still good in low level keys because stuff like iron wire will be up for larger amounts of the fight, but your damage numbers might not be as high as you'd like

[shut owl]

very dependent on the rest of the group in lower keys

[random fossil]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[vapid sierra]

how do i not get topped by outlaw on terros

[thorny pond]

Play outlaw

[spice spire]

On Terros

[vapid sierra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

[thorny pond]

Two of em, yesterday

[ebon notch]

show log

[cloud moat]

I'm guessing the outlaws are way better geared

And you've got some scuffed trinkets

[strange python]

Accept mastery as the master stat

[zenith fox]

Any high rated assa rogue main?
In raider io that I can check ?
I can find only outlaw and i hate outlaw

[strange python]

Seliathan, whispyr, varas, zerocool (don't look at this one)

Don't ever let varas see that I said that

[thorn fjord]

LOL

Its ok hes sleeping right now

[strange python]

Idk man EU players are some degenerate apes who knows when they sleep

[thorn fjord]

🤷‍♂️

[strange python]

What's there to do in Austin except check rogue disc

[thorn fjord]

Drink

[strange python]

I can do that in la without being in Texas

[thorn fjord]

People in Austin are much friendlier than the people in LA

should make for a fun Experience

[strange python]

But people in LA are more fun and better looking

[zenith fox]

When pack doesn't die after first ic, do you guys manually apply bleeds on each?

[strange python]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

its also much much cheaper to drink in Austin lol

[strange python]

Well yeah but flight and hotel being 2k outweigh that

[normal olive]

i won't accept that slander

who needs sleep anyway

[strange python]

Slander: make false and damaging statements about

[vapid sierra]

do you cast puzzle>dm or dm>puzzle

[strange python]

"false"

[strange python]

Puzzle first

[balmy condor]

kinda don't matter either way

sim logic holds puzzle for 4min dm

and then just casts it whenever

[vapid sierra]

so i always hold second puzzle for my 4th min dm?

after using it for opener

[balmy condor]

yeh

puzzle + exsang for 4min dm

[vapid sierra]

fuck exsang i dont play with that shit

[normal olive]

just don't play with either

[vapid sierra]

so always hold trink for second dm, got it

[strange python]

Until your tank tried to dodge a mechanic by running through the pack and you get mortal hewed

I don't even know if that pack casts mortal hew. I just know every tank sucks dick at that dungeon

[vapid sierra]

how do you guys play it with ic

do you guys like hold on ic till everythings grouped

then you vanish to imp garrote everything?

[strange python]

Doesn't sync it with exsang??

Wait nvm 4m DM is the exsang

Ignore me, na education

[vapid sierra]

lmao

[brazen zodiac]

exsangs cool

[strange python]

[storm forum]

i like exang but is just the best emote ive ever seen in my life

[strange python]

Same

I actually enjoy exsang

[cloud moat]

Just give the tank a second to get the mobs somewhat close by. IC has a pretty huge range

[ember relic]

How much does OH matter?

[strange python]

Not a lot

About the same as any random armor piece

Maybe very slightly more

[ember relic]

What if my OH is slow? You still want fast right?

[strange python]

All daggers are 1.8?

[slim hamlet]

Ideal is double dagger

[strange python]

Not even ideal. You can't play sin without an OH dagger.

[normal olive]

wdym ideal

[slim hamlet]

and u cant use non double dagger on sin

[oak sky]

all rogue specs use dagger offhand

[strange python]

You can't press mutilate without two daggers

[slim hamlet]

Thought I was in sub for a second

[ember relic]

Oooh good point

[strange python]

Outlaw and sub can use a slow wep if it's like 50 ilvl higher

But all three specs use daggers

Like 95% of the reason I hate outlaw is having to have desynced weapon mogs

[normal olive]

just use artefact skin

fixes that issue

[strange python]

But then I can't be a lowly Baker with a pan

[slim hamlet]

outlul artifact sucks

change my mind

[strange python]

Outlul sucks

[normal olive]

tru

[slim hamlet]

I use the most cursed combo

pickaxe and gardening tool

[normal olive]

got a outlaw weapon yesterday

played outlaw on council

did more dmg then the guy that plays outlaw sometimes

[slim hamlet]

huh

oh

[normal olive]

forgot snd for like a minute

[slim hamlet]

missing ","?

do you mean the guy sometimes play outlaw, or that you did more dmg than him sometimes

i am concussion

[normal olive]

he plays outlaw sometimes

[storm forum]

i also feel like i have a concussion but thats just cause ive been staring at wow for like 6+ hours

[nocturne current]

Council IC master race.

[normal olive]

i usually play assa for council but my guild was like "you got a outlaw weapon so now you have to"

shits boring

[slim hamlet]

Bro I just shuriken storm + black powder my way to victory

[storm forum]

my plan is to never get an outlaw weapon

[slim hamlet]

Just DE it

[storm forum]

but keep a 385 weap in my bag to make it sound like im looking for one

[normal olive]

i do like 1-2 outlaw keys a week and then ask myself why i just did that to myself

[slim hamlet]

I kind of just play all specs

[storm forum]

hopefully they dont realize i know how to play sub

[slim hamlet]

Besides I only play sin in raid

other than council where I sub

And prob sub on rasz too whenever

[ionic fox]

The cold blood talent that I see rogue taking in M+ over echoing reprimand. What are they using it on?

[normal olive]

fuck i just noticed i did like 18k more dps as outlaw on council

[ionic fox]

CT?

[normal olive]

i hope my guild doesn't notice

[strange python]

Sub is good here. But sin is insane at the shields

[cloud moat]

Sectec

[ionic fox]

no sin rogues

[slim hamlet]

Yeah until 10.0.5 where kb isnt a thing

[strange python]

KB is still a thing in 10.0.5

[slim hamlet]

6% less of a thing

[ionic fox]

Saw some top M+ sin rogues using Cold Blood isntead of Echoing this week

[slim hamlet]

Sounds cursed

[ionic fox]

Not sure where they are placing it though. Possibly CT

[balmy condor]

Was it zerocool

[ionic fox]

I think his name started with an A

[slim hamlet]

Probably isn't even that far down in the tree

[balmy condor]

Playing cold blood because it sims 0.3% higher is some braindead shit zerocool would do

[slim hamlet]

You tell me number is bigger?? I must

Show me

I need number to be bigger

[balmy condor]

Ye nah

[strange python]

Whispyr's busy simming whelp trinket

[balmy condor]

Cold blood was tested and it was just same damage but you lose like 4% single target damage

[balmy condor]

I’m busy waiting on other people to figure it out

[normal olive]

xD

[gusty mirage]

that would require him to know what he's looking at when he looks at sims

[fading wigeon]

I don't think the whelp trinket can ever be figured out, because stephen hawkings past away, and only he could have figured it out

[balmy condor]

This isn’t trade chat

[balmy condor]

I think he has barely enough brain cells to see number higher

[ashen veldt]

was just a question mr. strict

trade chat cant help so tried my fellow rogue discord

[slim hamlet]

Good thing you said that almost forgot to train today

[balmy condor]

Yeh but we can’t support trade chat in here because it opens the flood gate to people getting scammed and RMT and trades out of game that no one can track and we have to moderate channels for that

[lean wing]

THERE IS NO DISCUSSION. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOrc37wNUqU&ab_channel=Kyokushin4

ONLY COCO JAMBO

[slim hamlet]

wat

[balmy condor]

We’ve taken a hard stance on trade stuff

[lean wing]

people ask me

you paly rogue ? xD

no

i AM ROGUE

[balmy condor]

Cause we’re a partnered discord

We have certain rules to adhere to

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr actually explaining it instead of flaming people

I don't want this reality

Give me old Whispyr back

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s difficult to understand for people sometimes

Because they don’t get the stuff behind the curtain

And just “discord chat, me chat”

[hollow river]

[slim hamlet]

That's what I do

[lean wing]

what ? you do not have scroll to ravenhold ?

real rogue

coco jambo

[brazen zodiac]

!

[gusty mirage]

[lean wing]

YESSS

[slim hamlet]

Bro I want whatever you are having

[brazen zodiac]

water.

[normal olive]

all of it

[brazen zodiac]

hes drinking water.

[lean wing]

i give it

[storm forum]

man's about to drink the oceans dry

[lean wing]

its just 4 poisions

😂

nothing special

coco jambo ❤️

[balmy condor]

I have no idea what’s happening

But I’m glad you’re happy

[lean wing]

im decent

not happy not sad

i got my tier piece set

from mythic +

LOL

[balmy condor]

Okay

[lean wing]

would you

[slim hamlet]

I would

[lean wing]

this is

[slim hamlet]

Great

[lean wing]

yep

it is now 405

xD

i like new ours vendetta.

mark

[lament meadow]

Too bad looks like they scrapped the sin changes from the ptr

[lean wing]

to be honest

i liked vendetta

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

wait a second

[balmy condor]

I’m like 99.9% sure they didn’t

[brazen zodiac]

dont make me ask if they did

[slim hamlet]

Why your guy so big

[lament meadow]

I was looking forward to running carnage tempered in m+

[slim hamlet]

I feel like this is omega

[balmy condor]

Continue to look forward to that then

[lean wing]

never do dis

[lament meadow]

They should of let sin take 2 capstones from the start kinda silly

[lean wing]

just go as your hearth and play style

ye

[slim hamlet]

Yep it is bait

xd

[lean wing]

there are some serious TOP players

[balmy condor]

This channel got real weird over the last 10 minutes

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

Feels kind of like outlaw channel now

[lean wing]

channel what channel ? trinket ?

[slim hamlet]

yea

[brazen zodiac]

even weirder than 4 am ravenholdt

[lean wing]

this trinket is pepega

hate it

[slim hamlet]

skill issue

[lean wing]

we must to farm pandaria trinket

this is THE

trinket

and ring from melandrus

from cos

[slim hamlet]

Yea windswept pages is bis

[lean wing]

YESSSS

its fcck good

its noice

[slim hamlet]

it is like +90% dmg

[lean wing]

yes sir

[strange python]

Uhh

[slim hamlet]

shh

[lean wing]

must farm panda m+

[balmy condor]

I can’t tell who is baiting

And who isn’t

[slim hamlet]

panda m+ is best m+

[lean wing]

this is truth

[hollow river]

everyone is baiting

[lean wing]

panda is fast

and ez

[cloud moat]

helo whisper how do puzel box?

[lean wing]

only

[slim hamlet]

Transmogging into truthguard

[strange python]

Panda dungeons are fucking awful.

[lean wing]

trash is from hell

yes