assassination

[minor rover]

!log

[bronze pike]

Specific interactions train it

It has 6 things it can do

Train it for 7 days

On a specific thing

And it does that 1 speific thing only

But strong

St use trink as normal

Aoe

Target 3 aoe dummies or fire elementals in open world

Healing is target alextraza

Crit buff is target yourself

Haste buff is unknown

[grim jay]

Target time-lost protodrake

[dire steeple]

[slim hamlet]

So

The way we train our dragon is just by clicking it on an enemy each day right?

Oh

Legit answered 3 messages over

So guessing crit is prob the best, or just target an enemy for dmg proc?

[timber basalt]

i disenchanted mine

[slim hamlet]

I for some reason hoard trinkets

almost never disenchant

Finally came in handy

[dire steeple]

Restore

[timber basalt]

already ran item restore this week after accidentally disenchanting my mh also

[bronze pike]

Remember

[timber basalt]

[bronze pike]

U can restore items just wait a week

[dire steeple]

But then I delay my trinket by 1 week

If its even better

[timber basalt]

do we know if training the dragon is on a specific trinket

[slim hamlet]

Also does anyone know if it keeps the training when upgraded with valor, and if u can unequip it and it keeps?

[timber basalt]

or that item id in general

i.e. if i train a 346 trinket from normal

[slim hamlet]

All these questions that no one probably knows, because why would anyone

Sadge

[bronze pike]

It’s account wide

You train it once for 7 days

Trained forever

Or atleast till new season or w/e

[dire steeple]

So I can train on alt and it works for main?

[slim hamlet]

Where do you find this information, also about which mobs to target and stuff, couldnt find shit on wowhead

[timber basalt]

alright i have the trnket on my huntard

[bronze pike]

I’m in the discord where we’re testing it

Also you’ll get all the info we have soon

Wowhead article soon

[slim hamlet]

Alright, ill just wait with using it until then 🙂

Thanks m8

[marble hemlock]

Nerf soon too, hopefully

[slim hamlet]

I mean

It is kind of the most interesting trinket ever

But also a big feels bad to have it 7 day locked

[dire steeple]

[marble hemlock]

No it's not. It's just complete ass how they continue to push trinkets that need a 2 page dissertation on how they work, so no regular player will ever understand them or use them correctly. That's not good Design

[slim hamlet]

I think it's the most interesting

Very complicated

[shell raft]

It’d be better if this was actually known and shared by bliz on launch

[slim hamlet]

and vague yes

But interesting

[marble hemlock]

This

[shell raft]

So people actually know how to use it

Having it found out like this like how many weeks in we are is incredibly bad design

[slim hamlet]

I wonder how this will be simmed

a dropdown menu with 50 different "ranks" of training

[eternal vortex]

damn.. that hurts my soul

19 academy

[slim hamlet]

Which of it?

the 2k dps healer?

[eternal vortex]

mine

im still off 1pc from 4pc but

[shell raft]

The 2k dps from the r Dudu hurts my soul

[weak crescent]

guys how do i remove an embelishment ?

[eternal vortex]

u buy Griftah bla bla bla powder

[shell raft]

Then get some to redraft

[eternal vortex]

just write griftah in AH and it pops

[slim hamlet]

Does anybody know if eggnog ring has icd?

[weak crescent]

this thingy ?

[slim hamlet]

ye

[eternal vortex]

yes

[weak crescent]

thanks!

[smoky helm]

Hey guys! Kinda new to assa, wanted to learn It so i can do more ST on terros myth for progressi
So..Is the kingsbane build ok for It? Or should i try and practice for the dragon-tempered?

[slim hamlet]

The easiest to pick up is definitely DTB. But depending on your gear KB might sim higher if you going all in 🙂

Won't be a huge difference even with better gear for KB tho

[grim jay]

Depending on the gear and what you call huge tbf

[slim hamlet]

When I think huge I think about the dmg difference outlaw builds have

For what I've seen the difference is ~0.5 for KB vs DTB+Exsang

Mine is 0.4%

[smoky helm]

I'll SIM and see wich i can/should play then..Ty forntge info!

[grim jay]

For me 0.4-0.5 is big enough to justify pressing one more button every minute

[slim hamlet]

I mean

If that is all kb is for u then yes

And same

[fading wigeon]

thinkits better to train the ruby whelpling for stat or go for the damage training? I guess we wont really know until we get sims

[slim hamlet]

I wait until sims

[balmy condor]

correct

[slim hamlet]

cba clicking it and fucking it up

[balmy condor]

I mean

[fading wigeon]

ok will wait for sims

[balmy condor]

you can always swap

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

1 day cd tho

[balmy condor]

okay?

[fading wigeon]

thats not bad then

[slim hamlet]

What u questionmarking me for punk

[balmy condor]

idk

seems dumb to not take a chance on it

and if you're wrong

you swap

instead of just waiting

and doing nothing

[fading wigeon]

lol

[grim jay]

Having 1 day CD vs not having 7 days if you guessed right

[slim hamlet]

I mean if it's not rdy today I will ofc click random shit

before bedge

But if I can wait like 5 hours and maybe have it why would I click now

[slim hamlet]

Already have clicked on it 1 time on ST

[dusty zenith]

If you have 4 piece you wanna do kb sanguinate otherwise without 4 piece dtb is better for st

[haughty jungle]

what to play this week when you can not restelth many times in M+? IC or Dragon build?

[balmy condor]

IC

[slim hamlet]

Randomly got it 405 a week ago, tried it one time since it simmed higher, it dealt 0 dmg and had 0% uptime so insta switched it

Unironically like 0.2% uptime throughout a dungeon

Was under 0.5% at least

[ebon notch]

I got a 405 one

Then traded it to a homie

[slim hamlet]

Was about to trade mine too

[ebon notch]

2 hours later I see the posts about it

[slim hamlet]

Luckily didnt as it simmed higher

[thorn crater]

it takes a week to train

and each day assigns one of the stored points to a specific ability

in theory u can train it in more than one ability

[slim hamlet]

Yes

But maybe not

[thorn crater]

so if u fully go in for a week on one u just need another 6 days to retrain

meh whats the harm

[slim hamlet]

Yeah well

6 days is a bit aint it

[thorn crater]

i mean

its gonna be like that either way right

aint no way you can swap in just one day

if it takes 6 to max out

that would beat the purpose of it being gimmicky

[slim hamlet]

But what was the point in that?

[thorn crater]

"fun"

just blizzard stuff

[slim hamlet]

Well

It is interesting trinket

[thorn crater]

how to train your dragon

[slim hamlet]

Vague and complicated and weird for no reason

[thorn crater]

instead of training a pet

or a mount

you train a trinket

[slim hamlet]

But I would call it fun

[thorn crater]

makes total sense right

[zinc frost]

How to train your dragon - but not actually tell anyone how - ggs blizz

[thorn crater]

here lemme train slot 14

[fading wigeon]

hmm I wonder if the trinket procs, it also procs diurna ring too. that would be cool

[slim hamlet]

it's fire dmg

If it doesn't then something aint right

I swear if its like "well technically you didnt do fire dmg, your whelpling did so fuck u"

[thorn crater]

thats prolly what its gonna be

lets face it

[slim hamlet]

aint no way

Also any knowers if fire ring proc has icd?

[balmy condor]

fire ring is 2 rppm

[slim hamlet]

rppm meaning again?

[balmy condor]

procs per minute

[subtle tundra]

Yea but the r what is the r

[slim hamlet]

reeee

[balmy condor]

"real"

but it's not important what the difference is

to ppm

[marble hemlock]

kinda is

[balmy condor]

I mean

not if you don't know what ppm is

also like

do you need to care what the ppm is

[marble hemlock]

true i suppose

[balmy condor]

of a ring

it procs

sometimes it procs

[marble hemlock]

not at all, no

[balmy condor]

sometimes it doesn't

[fading wigeon]

some of the screenshots Push is posting in the sub channel so far is getting me excited for its aoe applications

[balmy condor]

you can't control it

[marble hemlock]

its useless information

just like "how many KB stacks do i have"

[glass junco]

why does sub sim better in st than assa 😢

[balmy condor]

it doesn't

[glass junco]

why does MY sub sim better than MY assa then? 😛

[balmy condor]

cause your gear is shit

[glass junco]

probably thats the reason why yeah

[balmy condor]

or you're simming some weird talent build on assa

[glass junco]

nah its normal DTB

from ur recommended builds

[balmy condor]

is that poison?

[modest crest]

Have they increased the drop rates of the shadowy gems for the legendary daggers? I haven’t done the quest chain in awhile, and was at the point of collecting them. It’s been years, I don’t even know if I have any or I deleted them.

[glass junco]

simmed all possible ST builds for assa, bleed dtb without exs sims the best

[balmy condor]

I don't think blizzard cares about the drop rate of things from cataclysm, it's been 12 years

[balmy condor]

and your sub is beating that?

[modest crest]

I agree, but I wasn’t sure if it’s been changed in the previous years.

[balmy condor]

probably not

[glass junco]

yes, by 700 dps

[ebon notch]

Ring is doing like 2% of my damage

[modest crest]

Also, your sub sim shouldn’t beat out asssass

[ebon notch]

It's kinda nuts

[fading wigeon]

can you post your sim @glass junco , very interested in seeing it

[balmy condor]

gear diff

[hardy dagger]

Assa is like 5k ahed for me

[glass junco]

sure, let me post them real quick

[balmy condor]

dude probably has like 15k vers and -5k haste

[little light]

I dont sim other specs

[hardy dagger]

Actually

[little light]

ez

[midnight dock]

i need someone to tell me this daily before i tilt

[ebon notch]

Don't read out my stats like that please

[hardy dagger]

15k vers sheeesh

[ebon notch]

Yeah I'm unkillable

Just don't do any damage

[little light]

15k vers would be a lot of dmg increase tbf

[glass junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1nFLuSXwrNp3UV38rvzJjR this is the comparison sims between assa builds

and thats sub https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d3BhumNz2miNEZ31gj15Ws

[ebon notch]

Sim the kB build

[glass junco]

its there

I simmed it

Dont comment my gems, i know, i also play outlaw in keys

[balmy condor]

yah

I mean

[flint tusk]

bruh that's why

[ebon notch]

I'm on mobile sry

[balmy condor]

vers diff

like I said

[ebon notch]

Didn't see

[balmy condor]

your gear is shit for assa

[glass junco]

Any recommendations?

Drop vers?

[balmy condor]

drop vers, get better shoulders, get a puzzle box

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iM8QRTd1xm9SiDemQMwE9F
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wJZ6F3WkF3zLv3cidQzrmt

ya it's not even close for me

[ebon notch]

You sim how much?

[balmy condor]

82,182

[ebon notch]

Jesus

You're stacked

[balmy condor]

yes

I am

[fading wigeon]

mmm

[glass junco]

why does ur assa sim use tepid vers phial?

[flint tusk]

surprised you didn't do one of these Whispyr
https://i.imgur.com/1IE9Mf0.png

[glass junco]

is it supposed to be like that?

[balmy condor]

because that's the phial I use

[ebon notch]

😮

[balmy condor]

your sim does it too

[glass junco]

yeah i noticed

but isnt it supposed to be bad for assa?

[balmy condor]

it's the best phial

[marble hemlock]

according to?

[little light]

your sims are also using that phial shyneh or am I blind 😛

also using rune and top pot rich boy only

[flint tusk]

ofcourse you're blind you're a purple circle

[little light]

🤣 🤣

excuse me it's actually mauve

[chilly canopy]

so we use our stealthed garrote, go into rupture and then puzzlebox + DM (im playing DtB in raid)

or am i dumb 🙂

or both

[pine ore]

Rage is probably better on farm raids

[flint tusk]

have you got shrouded suffication?

[chilly canopy]

no - but improved garrote

[balmy condor]

not really sure that's true

[flint tusk]

oki so i'm assuming it's the non exsang build?

[balmy condor]

yep looks good

[chilly canopy]

yes

[chilly canopy]

alrighty dope, so im just gonna need to practice it :>

[flint tusk]

yeh defo wanna practice it

[dire steeple]

Does the rage phial sim with downtime?

[balmy condor]

no

[flint tusk]

i found getting the puzzle box proper throw my button smashing off o.o

[dire steeple]

oh wtf

Im a vers phial enjoyer anyway

[chilly canopy]

got it while i was leveling my mage as first char, used it without reading on my macro, well yeah, dumbo me

[balmy condor]

I lied they changed the default to 0.7

[dire steeple]

LIAR

idk still risky though fuck that

[royal lantern]

less risky, more annoying

[balmy condor]

it sims equal to tepid vers at 0.6

so

[royal lantern]

the dot is not a big deal unless its a REALLY dmg heavy fight

[balmy condor]

you need probably at least 0.7 or 0.75 to even have a fighting chance for a dps increase

[royal lantern]

its more of an "you constantly lose an effect"

[balmy condor]

I'm looking at top terros logs

its uh

not looking too convincing

[timber basalt]

is dtb preferable this week to slow the spiteful

[balmy condor]

no

[timber basalt]

or is it a skill issue

[balmy condor]

out of the top 25 sin rogues on terros, 7 used corrupting rage, and their uptime was between 67 and 73%, so

maybe it's like 100 dps better

poggers

[broken ibex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

if you high roll and get the crit during your cds

maybe 150

huge

also 4 people in the top 25 used glacial fury

and that's definitely wrong

so

not sure phial matters at all honestly

[little light]

but my optimization

nvm im shit at the game anyway

[prisma cypress]

all the more reason to optimize

[rain oyster]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

tbf

most optimisation is just "do stuff that drops good loot and have loot RNG that it drops"

and "sim yourself lmao"

[little light]

most optmization is also using rune every pull but im poor af

[slim hamlet]

No shot I am using 2k gold on every pull

Unless it's only a dps issue

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor when does the WHELP TRINKET BIS NEED NOW craze start?

[dark token]

for 2k more gold

[royal lantern]

good that shit looks so janky

like, as if the trinket doesnt even work right anyway

[dark token]

having valor cap be 750 a week is so shit

4 dungeons and done

[balmy condor]

Whelp Trinket from RLP
Probably good maybe? Wait for sims. If you want a "definitely good maybe not bis" effect, either:

single target (shot) - use on an enemy, seems good
AoE (lob, does about 70% damage on 1 target compared to shot) - use on the cleave dummies in valdrakken, also seems good
Stat proc - not entirely confirmed how to train, might be good but is wildly inconsistent.

Run this in your chat to see your training progress.
/run for i=2148,2153,1 do V=C_CurrencyInfo.GetCurrencyInfo(i); print(V.name.." - discovered:",tostring(V.discovered)..", quantity:",tostring(V.quantity)) end
Training is based on your character, not the trinket. You will be maxed after the 7th day.

Again, wait for sims. Thanks to @olive urchin and the tank theorycrafters for looking into this. The wowhead article going over the early findings is here: https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-train-your-ruby-whelp-shell-very-high-damage-or-stat-trinket-330947

[subtle tundra]

How do I train him

I want to be a good dad

[balmy condor]

did you read the pin

[subtle tundra]

Yes but I don't understand english

[balmy condor]

okay

did you read the trinket?

[subtle tundra]

Try german

[grim jay]

70% seemed wrong after what push tested

[balmy condor]

70% is what tank TC's are reporting and what I'm seeing from their testing

[grim jay]

Unless aoe scales better than St proc

[balmy condor]

so I'm gonna go with their numbers thanks

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

So.. If I train him wrong can u reset it

I'm scared of failure

[grim jay]

If you train him for aoe now

And St is better later

[balmy condor]

you just train him on something else

[grim jay]

You basically just move 1 point from aoe to ST every day

After that

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[grim jay]

So it seems

[royal lantern]

i LOVE hidden mechanics that are not explained in the game at all

the RP!!!!!!!!!

[balmy condor]

it makes sense lore wise

there's a dragon whelp

and we don't understand it

cause it's a dragon

and it doesn't speak english

[grim jay]

And take days to get use out of *

[subtle tundra]

What if I'm a dracthyr

[balmy condor]

wrong discord

[subtle tundra]

Mean

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

Correct though, the best type of mean

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor what is the better trinket btw, hc torch or 415 box

[balmy condor]

Box

[royal lantern]

so probs box+whelp then

cus i have a life and didnt killed mythic broodkeeper yet

[balmy condor]

If whelp survives for 7 days maybe

I hear blizzard loading the shotgun

[dusty zenith]

I have a concentrated primal infusion an no clue what to build with it.

are boots worth crafting if I dont have a good set?

the toxic ones

[slim hamlet]

There is better things to craft

Like neck, weapon or flaring cowl

[dusty zenith]

I have Neck maxed

have a dagger but its 405, I could do that

flaring cowl is pointless for me right now

[thorn fjord]

Morning sinners

[slim hamlet]

no u

[swift magnet]

does anyone know the 2 ShS sin build I saw Whispyr use the other day on Sennarth? if you have a link that would be great

[slim hamlet]

ShS?

[dusty zenith]

sbs?

[swift magnet]

shadowsterp

[slim hamlet]

What does the 2 mean then

oh

[swift magnet]

2 charges

[dusty zenith]

you dont even need 2 charges

[slim hamlet]

I mean you can find it on warcraftlogs

[thorn fjord]

2 charges is nice tho 🙂

[dusty zenith]

on senarth?

[swift magnet]

I think so too

[thorn fjord]

oh

Yeah you dont need that on Senarth

[slim hamlet]

I mean u never need it

[thorn fjord]

True

[dusty zenith]

I mean

I rocket blasted into the m iddle of Terros as a goblin once

only once

[slim hamlet]

Skill issue

[swift magnet]

well Whispyr seemed to need it as he was intentionally falling on every grip and shadowstep-ing right after

[slim hamlet]

Yea u can do that

[swift magnet]

maybe you did not know of this tech

[slim hamlet]

Tried it and feels rough when spooder is moving

Just getting teleported 20 meters down

[hardy dagger]

There are rocks you can stand behind every grip after stairs

[swift magnet]

well the 2nd charge is also cool when you need to shadowstep an ally to climb the stairs faster

[swift magnet]

you have to reach the top of the stairs first

[slim hamlet]

Yea I think sennarth was probably only boss I actually used both charges of shadowstep

[hardy dagger]

Yeah well

Gate and then just run up before grip

[slim hamlet]

And diurna because I did eggs

[gusty mirage]

I think sennarth is one of the worst fucking bosses ever invented

It’s not hard

It’s not fun

[slim hamlet]

He's a special little boy

[gusty mirage]

It’s just fucking annoying

[slim hamlet]

My guild fucking loves it

[gusty mirage]

The entire time

[slim hamlet]

I don't

[hardy dagger]

Aye sennarth is ass

[gusty mirage]

They love mythic sennarth?

[vestal wren]

eonar

[balmy condor]

I mean I think Assassination definitely needs it on sennarth

[thorn fjord]

SLG is still top of the list imo

[slim hamlet]

idek what the difference is on mythic besides last phase stuff

[balmy condor]

There’s been plenty of pulls

[gusty mirage]

No you just use the bop trick to skip intermission and SLG is the easiest fight

[balmy condor]

Where I have to save myself with a step

[gusty mirage]

Literally ever

[vestal wren]

i think senarth is okay-ish, other tiers had worse fights

[balmy condor]

Hell, with our positioning I actually have a spot where I step twice

Every pull

[gusty mirage]

I don’t even care about the tornadoes

[thorny pond]

same whispyr

[gusty mirage]

I don’t even care that the ice hurts

I don’t like not having control over my character

[thorn fjord]

With Acrobat you can still hit the boss far enough to be safe(ish) from the pull

[gusty mirage]

That’s fucking horseshit

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[thorn fjord]

I havent had issues with falling

[hardy dagger]

Where would you need double step?

[slim hamlet]

it would be omega boring if not that

only thing making it interesting

[gusty mirage]

Not really

It doesn’t even make it interesting

[dusty zenith]

If you arnt running IC on Senarth you are doing it wrong

[thorny pond]

I have played WoW for 17 years, and that is the least fun boss I have ever done. Not even close

[thorn fjord]

Really helps on Raz and the Tornado boss

[hardy dagger]

I guess it could be nice on second add platform

[gusty mirage]

Actually awful

[thorny pond]

Worst designed fight ever

[slim hamlet]

Holy

[gusty mirage]

The tornadoes are the cherry on top too

[thorny pond]

If it was like, just slippery steps, fine

but nadoes

[hardy dagger]

Well yeah I meant sennarth

[thorny pond]

ice everywhere

[slim hamlet]

this is so different from what I heard everyone else said

[thorn fjord]

My gripe with senarth is the weird interaction and ranging when he starts going up the stairs

[gusty mirage]

Sitting there recreating kirbyau’s pantheon pull with tornadoes until you get gripped off the side of the edge, assuming the ice that’s ticking for 10% of your health a second doesn’t get you first

[thorn fjord]

and its behind the pillar at the bottom of the steps

Gets janky

[thorny pond]

I love people who web by lock gates

I love randomly just not keeping momentum

[gusty mirage]

Oh you wanna dodge this tornado? Nah fam you’re ice skating

[thorny pond]

I love love tornadoes completely ruining any forward progress you have had

and adjusting your path randomly

fucking sweet

"lock is dead"

wipe it up, go again

[balmy condor]

After first stairs there’s a grip and then we prep for Second stairs. Cooldowns come up basically during the grip, so step 1 saves you from the pull and puts you in front of boss, your raid is at stairs, step 2 is to get from boss to your raid without running 50 yards while your healers all Gate away from you. If I don’t step there to catch up to my raid, I actually outrange the healers and tick to death Running up the stairs Because I’m so far behind

[limber heath]

hi guys what do you use your sparks on? i just made a neck but thats it idk what to use dont know anything about crafting and such i was wondering what other assas rogues did with their sparks.

[gray crest]

I'm actually so glad I got sat for spider

[hardy dagger]

Yeah ik that timing

[thorn fjord]

Cowl or Dagger if you already have lariat

[thorny pond]

I would sell all 4 sparks to remove mechanics from that fight

[hardy dagger]

I just end up running after first step

[hollow dirge]

There were more boring bosses for sure, but more generally annoying , heck no.
Idk who enjoys losing control of it’s char for so long.
People that praise that boss are beyond me

[gusty mirage]

Did your warlocks also say “the ice doesn’t hurt” as if mr soul leech has any room to discuss what hurts and what doesn’t?

Going up those stairs was like storming the beaches of Normandy bro

2-3 people died to rot damage for the first 15 pulls

[hardy dagger]

But yeah second step to the rest is good

[slim hamlet]

Does feint work on ice?

[limber heath]

i can only do 389 right ?

[gray crest]

Don't forget the locks killing the moonkins

[gusty mirage]

It does not

[slim hamlet]

Sadge

[feral rivet]

we left one healer behind to go with melee to avoid us dying

[thorn fjord]

Can craft up to 418 with Conc Infusion

[gusty mirage]

They deserve it for being moonkins

[balmy condor]

And you let the last 5 seconds of kingsbane and dm Just tick without hitting the Boss? Seems troll to me

[thorny pond]

Why the fuck would it. It is AoE and random

[slim hamlet]

So it's only immunity which we use for puddles last phase?

[thorny pond]

feint works on nadoes tho

[limber heath]

that drops from raid?

[slim hamlet]

huh

Didnt you answer

[gusty mirage]

Lmao after losing all forward momentum and just dying to the ice cause all your healers left you

Wahoo

[thorn fjord]

Concentrated infusions drop off M+ 16's and higher and Mythic raid

[thorny pond]

I am griping that it should but doesn't

[slim hamlet]

It would work since its aoe no?

ah

makes sence

[limber heath]

ok thanks

[twilit hollow]

I'd never leave you

[thorny pond]

"RoGuEs aRe UnKiLlAbLe" Great the fight still sucks ass for everyone

[gusty mirage]

Okay come heal my raid pls

I used crimson vial on cd on spider

Never felt safe, not once

[thorn fjord]

lolol

[gusty mirage]

We had a 2% wipe

[spice spire]

Even after you were told to keep yourself safe

Unreal

[thorny pond]

"oh look healthstone and health pot all used in first minute"

[gusty mirage]

While they let me sit in a web

The entire duration

[twilit hollow]

Maljuve the resto coming in hot

[thorny pond]

Fucking dead on second stairs

[gusty mirage]

While I had all CDs up

[thorny pond]

hope a rando evoker saves me

[hardy dagger]

Maybe I'm dumb but iirc I run just after the step I'm in range the whole time

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage rn thinking about spider boss

[feral rivet]

i dont think its nearly THAT bad but its definitely a stressful fight cause theres almost always that feeling you can die at any point

[gusty mirage]

I was shrieking at my monitor

[swift magnet]

so can anyone share a DTB+2steps build?

[thorn crater]

?

[thorny pond]

I started smoking

[thorn crater]

u just take step on class tree

[gusty mirage]

Full CDs bro

[thorn crater]

u get it on spec tree anyway

[gusty mirage]

Including box and exsang

2% wipe

[thorny pond]

Yea, lighting a cig is full CDs

[gusty mirage]

Full web

[hollow dirge]

It’s a fight where they tried to pull off something new, and ended up with massive annoyance instead of an actual mechanic.

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

Is new sprint talent because of this fight?

[slim hamlet]

Should've right clicked harder Oxi

[thorny pond]

Like does that let me sprint over ice

put my skates on

[gusty mirage]

Our warlock saved the bop for himself

[thorny pond]

cuz I would take the skate and slit my throat

[thorn fjord]

Y'all raid groups do Senarth 4th or 5th in Mythic?

[gusty mirage]

So he could continue to do tank damage

Ggs

[feral rivet]

we did it 4th

[spice spire]

[twilit hollow]

H8 warlocks

[thorny pond]

Two warrior tanks

[spice spire]

Warlock needing bop, brother?

[thorny pond]

one doesn't use spell reflect

[gusty mirage]

@gray crest I’m never doing spider again

[thorny pond]

and just jumps over the edge

[gusty mirage]

You’re in every single time

I don’t care about loot

[gray crest]

It's you or me brother

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m voluntelling you

[gray crest]

Lmao

[gusty mirage]

Better take double step mr. sub rogue

Cause they’ll leave you to die

[thorny pond]

@balmy condor I had a 421 RLP trinklet in my vault I skipped because you told me to

now I should have taken it

and I gotta prog spider

[thorn fjord]

Nah

[thorny pond]

FUCK

[gusty mirage]

Also enjoy the DHs and goblino stacking on you for the spread mechanics

[gray crest]

Double vanish double step

[gusty mirage]

10/10 boss

[hardy dagger]

OK I'm trolling I actually lost 2 sec uptime...

[thorn fjord]

You're good not taking that imo @thorny pond

[spice spire]

I’m still stuck on bopping the lock

[thorn fjord]

You guys broke Quake

[balmy condor]

Painge

[thorn fjord]

Shame on all of you

[gusty mirage]

To get out of the webs

[hardy dagger]

[spice spire]

[feral rivet]

i guess it makes sense if the lock sucks and gets stuck in web or whatever since you need the lock to make it all the way for gates

[mystic zenith]

Can the whelp trinket actually end up being better than puzzlebox? Seems kinda unlikely no?

[slim hamlet]

I am as confussion

[gusty mirage]

In p3 on mythic, you just get webbed randomly

Very cool boss fight

[spice spire]

Yeah but at that point sac lock?

[thorn fjord]

Spider splooge

[gusty mirage]

No no

[spice spire]

Locks dog this tier

[gusty mirage]

My fav was exo getting the eggnog ring over 6 other people who do more damage than him

And proceeding to do tank damage on spider

[thorn fjord]

oof

[thorny pond]

Healer takes ring

[thorn fjord]

Feelsbad

[thorny pond]

over all the DPS

and I about cried

[thorn fjord]

Ring hasnt dropped for us since week 2 😦

[gusty mirage]

Idk how a destro lock does tank damage on that fight lmfao

[thorn fjord]

feels so bad

[thorny pond]

Why guilds gotta do us dirty oxi

[gusty mirage]

Our RL smashed him on damage

Dunno how considering warlock is actually horrendous for spider

[thorny pond]

Play afflix

just kill little ones

[balmy condor]

It Beats heroic grieftorch

[feral rivet]

just looked at our kill and lock was last of dps by quite a big margin, but at least didnt do tank dmg haha

[gray crest]

Idk why you'd play destro on that fight. Most immobile spec on spider sounds awful

[gusty mirage]

Yea it’s actually like rogue on anduin levels of bad

[thorny pond]

Going sub for spider

fuck this

[gusty mirage]

Bro just go out and eat dinner for spider

[swift magnet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

What a shit boss

[thorny pond]

Just gonna eat you out

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

Bought a new CPU so I could see all the shit on spider boss

doesn't fucking matter

still a shit fight

[gusty mirage]

My fav part in p3

[mystic zenith]

At 415?

[thorny pond]

but now it's 180FPS of dog shit

[gusty mirage]

I saw spiders getting to the clump, so I move up a bit

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

And then watch 4 melee die

Instantly

Lmfao

[thorny pond]

My wife had a spider bro living in our window eating bugs

I threw that fucker

far as I could

[feral rivet]

what do you consider p1/p2 btw? we called the last phase p2 (when spider is done climbing)

[thorny pond]

so over this dogshit

[gusty mirage]

Did you tell it “nothing personal blame your cousin sennarth”?

[gray crest]

I remember watching at the start of the night where someone just fucking yeeted off the platform

[gusty mirage]

That was gibdo

[thorny pond]

I said "thanks"

[gusty mirage]

Man died 17 times in 13 pulls

Fucking shaman

[chilly viper]

Random question but, anyone knows the elvui's font name? lol I hate elvui but I like the font

[sturdy merlin]

Expressway ?

[thorny pond]

Like I wish we would just wipe instead of brezzing after first stairs

such a waste of time to try to salvage when you know someone will die later

[gusty mirage]

I wish if I died on that boss I’d die irl

[thorny pond]

like 2nd steps

[chilly viper]

Think that's it yes, thank you

[thorny pond]

Play in the tub

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/toaster-bath-gif-22277891

[subtle tundra]

Wat

Let people practice

[thorny pond]

at 100 pulls

it isn't practice

it's l2p

[feral rivet]

😮

[subtle tundra]

Ok that is information I was not aware about

[chilly viper]

Even for raz ?

[subtle tundra]

Maybe they need to turn their monitor on

[gusty mirage]

100???

[subtle tundra]

It was sennarth

[thorny pond]

start with the brain

[gusty mirage]

Bro what

[thorny pond]

ID10T or PEBCAK issues for sure

[chilly viper]

Jesus lol

[gusty mirage]

Like we were peak idiot for that fight

And it took us 55

How the fuck are you at 100

[chilly viper]

inc 500 for Dathea

[thorny pond]

Read all the above comments about tanks, healers just yeeting

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

took us until 60 pulls to understand where to stand

[indigo epoch]

I dont understand how people are so bad. im total shit, do 10-15 keys, average 65k dps (396 ilvl)..... (garbage i know)....how in the fuck are some people getting in keys and doing 20k OVERALL!? how? just how?

[gusty mirage]

Wat

[indigo epoch]

like auto attack has to be 15k for some classes right?

[thorny pond]

We had people not near each other for pulls

just standing in BFE getting gripped

[gusty mirage]

65k is respectable for 396

[thorny pond]

like webs by portals

[gusty mirage]

But yeah there are times where I wonder if people in dungeons have their monitors on

[grim jay]

Best thing was at terros raidlead forcing people to destack the debuff where you need to run together all at the same time

[thorny pond]

half raid not even up first stairs when pull goes

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

I made this group do it together

[chilly viper]

Cause people juste check the shit system named raider.io

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/macho-gif-8000415

[gusty mirage]

I was voluntold to be the stack point for muthic terros

[thorny pond]

same

[gusty mirage]

I come back from getting a bottle of water and there’s a marker over my head

And I’m like mmkay

[thorny pond]

"go left - stop. go right. stop. stay stacked

fuck"

[gray crest]

I found it funny we one shot terros last night then spider boss happened

[grim jay]

Dunno its so bad to destack all at the same time if healing isnt on point

[slim hamlet]

tbh i dont even know how we didnt kill terros yet

idek what is wrong, cuz we aint failing stack and shit

[grim jay]

Bcs some dd is healing for a mainheal

[gusty mirage]

I can’t remember if it was you or rum who messaged me asking if “this is anduin”

Like if spider is anduin just disband now

[gray crest]

It was me lol

[gusty mirage]

I’ll never forget anduin

I spent my birthday wiping to dumb shit for 3 hours

[grim jay]

Same

[gusty mirage]

Then after like 120 pulls I get asked if I want to be sat

[gray crest]

I remember still being a trial, subbing in for one day playing sub on anduin. I sat there and funneled the adds

[gusty mirage]

Like no fuck you

You don’t make me suffer for 120 pulls and then offer to bench me

[gusty mirage]

I swapped specs and groups like 800 times on anduin

I was going to lose it

“Go down with group 2, no stay up, no group 1, actually group 2, no sorry group 1, no no stay up, okay fr group 2”

Any sense of CD usage out of the window

[fading wigeon]

Just like real life

[next edge]

good aftenroon cutie

[chilly viper]

Was anduin hard or easy

Idk if sarcasm or lol

[next edge]

was absolute dog

[gusty mirage]

Hi friend, once I get to a PC I gotchu

[next edge]

No rush bud

i was just a bit mental this morning on dummies

being myself one

[gusty mirage]

Same

[balmy condor]

Leveling aoe whelp

[frosty cedar]

The dark whelp timeline is now

[next edge]

the whelp meme

has begun

[chilly viper]

I wish they add an option on raidbot for 3 deaths on 5 minutes fight to sim grieftorch

lmao

[next edge]

ok can i just send a rant?

[gusty mirage]

Has rukt messaged you about it?

[next edge]

why valor cap is still a thing 5 weeks into the expansion

its FUCKING STUPID

LET ME IMPROVE MY ITEMS

[balmy condor]

Conversation already over

[grim jay]

Bcs gear is still relevant

[next edge]

so?

let me farm if I want it

[dark token]

You hit it in 4 dungeons every week

Lmfao

It should be 1500 a week, not 750

[chilly viper]

So people don't stop playing next week

$$

[gusty mirage]

I mean we had uncapped valor at the start of season 4

[chilly viper]

enlgish hard

[gusty mirage]

And people still played

[next edge]

basically

[versed canopy]

with the DTB build single target, am i wanting to do 3 applications of garrote during the improved garrote window?

[chilly viper]

Wasn't like all time low player base lol

[dark token]

Cause it's end of expac

And shadowlands

[thorny pond]

It wasn't because of valor

[balmy condor]

Which dtb Build

[gusty mirage]

I geared up two characters in season 4 cuz I could infinitely farm valor

[indigo epoch]

speaking of, is there a way to sim best use of valor? or a general strategy? ive been pumping into my weapon so far.

[next edge]

topgear has the option

of valor usage no?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

Yeah topgear let’s you put in how much valor you have to spend

[indigo epoch]

so it does. thanks

[grim jay]

And after that you spent less time on the game ? 😁

[gusty mirage]

Nah I played all of season 4

And outside of raid, I had a blast

In raid with the fated affixes I wanted to increase my lead intake with a gun

[versed canopy]

raid sustained DTB

[balmy condor]

From the faq?

Only 1 garrote

[versed canopy]

cool

[dark token]

It was fun for 1 week

Then they added multiple at the same time and it was so

[gusty mirage]

Motes on Denny and sylv

[versed canopy]

and im assuming the DBT M+ build the mutliple garrotes go on different targets?

[gusty mirage]

My computer was weeping

[balmy condor]

Yes

[dark token]

Denny in general bricked so many PCs in season 1 lmfao

And the game server

[grim jay]

2 types of valor you earn at the same time, one upgrades up to heroic ilvl and is infinitly obtainable, the other is gated and for higher ilvl. Id be fine with that tbf

[gusty mirage]

The soak mechanic on jailer making the bombs go off sooner

[spice spire]

Huge

Loved that

[buoyant venture]

hey guys! do you know if we can equip double crafted gear? ofc without embellishment cause i already got 3

[gusty mirage]

Don’t forget the speed boost right before the MCs that made you run and jump off

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[chilly viper]

Might be a dumb question, but I got a normal grieftorch that sims roughly 0.7% lower than my controlled current technique. Could it be an upgrade since sims doesn't really consider deaths

[gusty mirage]

You can have unlimited crafted gear as long as it’s not embellished

[spice spire]

Yeah but the fight was epic ™️

[buoyant venture]

ty!

[hidden plinth]

how can i sim the engineering wrist with different stats in droppoptimizer it has wrong agility values

[spice spire]

And yet feels infinitely less impactful than the first boss of the new expansion

[gusty mirage]

It’s cuz jailer had no nipples

[ebon notch]

which fight

[spice spire]

The fight that caused your parents to conceive you

[versed canopy]

which DTB build is reccomended for the council fight? Should CT be picked up for that?

[ebon notch]

the fighting never ended

[spice spire]

I’m the other man

[grim jay]

[versed canopy]

ahh i found the list

[viscid spear]

give it back

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/meettheparents-robertdeniro-cats-milkme-funny-gif-4491424

[narrow ember]

!logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xhcMACDv8djPyQ1p/#fight=8&type=damage-done

[mystic zenith]

Is bis looking to be whelpshell+puzzlebox or whelpshell+grieftorch?

[slim hamlet]

We dont even know if whelpshell will be bis yet

[mystic zenith]

Oh I mean at heroic level?

I was told that it would likely be better than heroic grieftorch?

[gusty mirage]

Well that’s kind of a hopeful stretch

[mystic zenith]

Whispyr told me that literally 10 minutes ago 😦

I'm confused now

[chilly viper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hYnDrDCiw7YD6rd6YL3gSM

[slim hamlet]

One guy had a detail meter where it dealt more than heroic grieftorch

[chilly viper]

Would you guys use grieftorch there ? lol considering people are wiping quite a bit in my raid

[slim hamlet]

I believe thats where the whole thing started

[rain oyster]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[chrome peak]

Do I use Echoing Reprimand on CD once my opener is done or am I syncing it with something?

[sturdy dust]

On CD

[chrome peak]

Ty strange kind duck

[winter gale]

If my Seal Fate procced will I insta get extra cps or will they be 'added' ?

I am not sure is my UI delaying/f***ed up or

[fading wigeon]

You can hold at 4 minutes to line up with all cds, but outside of that on cd

[slim hamlet]

Get it added as if the generator simply gave more

I at least never had an issue with it being delayed

[narrow sedge]

What is a good uptime on Envenom on a boss fight ?

[winter gale]

Maybe adding part is a bit delayed by VotI lagging/huge fps drop*

And on top of that I am spammer so who knows 😄

[slim hamlet]

100%

🙂

[winter gale]

And one more thing...I am playing with 60 spell queue window. Anyone else playing that low?

[slim hamlet]

Well u use envenom quite late in opener, so not actually 100%

[slim hamlet]

Didn't even know you could change it

[winter gale]

I got schooled politely on outlaw channel that its way too low but I tried higher and everything feels like its trying to catch me up 😄

You can by command or addon AdvancedInterfaceOptions

[slim hamlet]

I have default, and sometimes it feels like it's a bit too high

[narrow sedge]

20% uptime is quite low so ?

[winter gale]

Default is 400 I think

[slim hamlet]

20% uptime on envenom buff?

Yes that does indeed sound low

[narrow sedge]

the problem is between the cap of energy etc

I mean, you want to save the finish for plan + envenom if you dont overcap energy

[slim hamlet]

Is this m+?

[narrow sedge]

but if not, you must spam

[blissful crown]

Can someone please help me with my terros hc log? compared to one of the top hc logs?

for the same ilvl obv

[slim hamlet]

i mean if it's ST you're talking about close to 100% envenom uptime kind of happens automatically

[winter gale]

Builds I can find in Faq?

those that were pinned

[blissful crown]

!logs

[slim hamlet]

Doesn't seem like they're there

[winter gale]

Yeah

[slim hamlet]

But new dtb build is just switching poison for bleed stuff

[winter gale]

Bleed dtb with exang?

[slim hamlet]

That's the highest simming dtb with 4 set

[winter gale]

BMQAOB/7AZ//CwQOf4fPMswHVLNJSCcgQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAASQaOQJJkkkkWSiIBJSk4AB

This one?

[slim hamlet]

Seems about right

[winter gale]

Good

[slim hamlet]

Can't remember 100, am not on rogue right now

[winter gale]

I think thats the one from Pins

[narrow sedge]

mmmmh I'm checking my logs on terros and the top one. I'm kinda thinking I miss some haste.

[winter gale]

What is the exact opener for Bleed DTB build? ( Am I a zillion guy who asked) 😄

[flint tusk]

minus the kingsbane

[winter gale]

❤️

I found what was in the pins, its there but in a link so sorry for missinfo*

Weird, poison and bleed sim same for me.

Last week there was a bigger difference, above 1%

[mental flower]

raidbots wants me to switch pretty much all gems/enchants to mastery. Would this be expected now that I've got the 4 piece and am running kingsbane? Looking at other rogues with the same build they still prioritise crit gems and enchants so I'm worried i've messed up the sim tbh

[thorny pond]

sounds right but link sim

[thorn fjord]

Been seeing some other openers in logs

[strange python]

@balmy condor any thoughts on ruby whelp shell? A few other class TCs seem to be saying they've found out it's pretty damn strong

[mental flower]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rTGrx9itKRh8M7FSQ5KVN4

[hidden plinth]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[mental flower]

Thanks and linked

[storm onyx]

Well, you are also telling the sim swap your build too. Does it tell you swap gems/enchants all to mastery even if you don’t include exta builds?

Stats depend a lot to what build/gear you have, can change by 1 item

[mental flower]

I thoguht the sim didn't check gems unless you ticked swapped gems, am I mistaken?

[storm onyx]

It would not have if you didn’t select it, no

[mental flower]

The build i selected is the one i should already be using

[storm onyx]

That said, I don’t know the reason you were simming.

[mental flower]

Just trying to find the best setup for patchwerk since I got 4 piece

Do those results look reasonable to you then?

[thorny pond]

It will sim the builds and the changes in them to find best

that is literally top gear

I threw some primaries in there and am resimming it but yea, that looked correct

[mental flower]

Much appreciated both

[storm onyx]

Ah, alright then, if tou were using poison build; yea you better go bleed build that you are comfortable with; or learn the one you deem fit

[thorny pond]

His active is also a KB IC build not ST so that's why he selected it

[storm onyx]

It’s normal it shuffles all gems/enchants; you are changing the basic gear and the talent’s

Ah kk

[mental flower]

yeah mb got mixed up

[wind condor]

I was going through and looking at some of the top M council parses for sin and I’ve seen this one thrown around in there, anyone have any exp with it?

[thorny pond]

Looks degen. I'm in.

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-morty-you-son-of-a-bitch-im-in-animated-series-gif-17733141

[thorn fjord]

Theres no BF there

🤣

[storm onyx]

Looks like the build someone r1 with, using green trinkets

[thorny pond]

Not sure why PB w/o envenom but hey what else are you taking

In theory is makes sense. Spread bleeds, keep bleeds up. Not many envenoms except to maintain SnD

[storm onyx]

Yea thats familiar build I saw 3 weeks ago

[wind condor]

I’ve seen a lot of the toxic blade talent taken on that fight

[storm onyx]

110k+ with green trinkets on that fight

[thorny pond]

spicy meatball

Mostly only bored rogues or OTPs are playing sin there though

so ymmv

[thorny pond]

Found you 500 more DPS and simmed it against DTB

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hgreeKHUSZyCWjNLmNsMyr

[storm onyx]

I am playing sin there, ots extra treat with our 12 melee team

It’s horrid

But fun

[mental flower]

thank you mate

[thorny pond]

If you have some sparks, dagger and cowl wouldn't be bad crafts here

[mental flower]

so KB > DTB for me in patchwerk?

[thorny pond]

KB > DTB hell with 4pc & box is p much a given yea

It's within like 800dps though

[mental flower]

You've been a great help thank you

[dusty zenith]

Only way for sin rogues to parse is to pad meters

people are getting geared now and mythic bosses die pretty quick

[thorn fjord]

For whatever reason KB feels right and comfortable to play on Raz but whenever i use it on other fights it doesnt feel as good to my peabrain

[thorny pond]

Have you tried using it up the stairs on senn?

[thorn fjord]

Have not

Been playing DTB on everything but Raz

was gonna try KB tonight during prog again tho

[gusty mirage]

he addresses it in the pins

[thorn fjord]

We picked up an OL rogue so im able to play sin on every fight which is really nice

[strange python]

Rip. I never see updated pins until I swipe left

[gusty mirage]

yea pins location is scuffed on mobile

don't blame ya

[strange python]

Didn't think to look for a specific trinket pin

[gusty mirage]

also has a fancy macro to check your training with the whelpling

we have to get it now in honor of ash ketchum retiring

[strange python]

I hear DHs had it outperforming grieftorch. But idk what ilvls both trinkets we're

Were*

[gusty mirage]

this is a 392 whelpling

so

[strange python]

Not having to run puzzle box would be nice

Stat buff giga. But haste stinky

[gusty mirage]

haste good for assassination

[swift dagger]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

Unless it's a fish-for-haste-before-exsang angle

[gusty mirage]

yea I think if you can get it to favor a certain proc over others through training

it has the potential to be really good

[spice spire]

So what you’re saying is

Dark Exsang snapshot tech incoming?

[gusty mirage]

be kind to yourself

[spice spire]

[gray crest]

https://tenor.com/view/bathtub-toaster-gif-21919806

[storm onyx]

God pls no

[spice spire]

How to make a channel doom in 0.3 seconds

[strange python]

I think the fire shot was cranking

[spice spire]

Yeah and so were the back shots on oxi’s pops 🤨

[neon drift]

Hey guys, I am normally Outlaw but would like to try Assasination in tonights Terros, which spec from the FAQ is the recommended one for single target?

[thorny pond]

I would sim it

DTB is easiest

[gusty mirage]

gonna have to sim it, typically dtb is out performing KB unless you have a puzzle box

[little light]

Haken - Puzzle Box

[neon drift]

I have puzzle on 372 ilvl tho

So with puzzle we go the KB-Carnage route?

[spice spire]

Simmer

[thorny pond]

I don't have puzzle and 4pc made me go KB

gotta sim

[neon drift]

I see ok thank you

[rigid tartan]

Any rasz mythic proggers here? Is there any reason to place cds outside of shield burns? It should be totally whatever since faster shield=more actual boss % dps time right?

[dire ivy]

Why does Droptimizer for crafted gear tell me that my first prio should be my back piece instead of a weapon, boots, ring. belt wrist or more which sims higher in the same droptimizer? should i listen to the prio list or just craft highest dps https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vF7aZCCUe9PgmnVHN2PLva

[novel arrow]

name checks out 🙂

[royal wedge]

i see that with 10.0.5 the change benefits the dtb build more? so should i learn that instead of kingsbane (noob at rogue, giganoob even)

[dire ivy]

what do you mean

[novel arrow]

Lol it's a joke. It meant your sim characters name and ur discord name matches.

[fickle seal]

Hey guys, I got 401 ilv as rogue outlaw but my single target dps is around 30-40k, I must be doing something wrong, can u share some tips/guide for me? I would appreciate it

[dire ivy]

you should probably ask in outlaw if you play outlaw

[gusty mirage]

because droptimizer ranks it on "expected value"

for whatever reason

vs actual most dps gained

[dire ivy]

so just go most dps and be fine yes?

[gusty mirage]

ye

[dire ivy]

tthanks

[gusty mirage]

3ilvl on MH weapon >>>>>>>

[fickle seal]

Lol I miss clicked hahahaha I’m sorry

[glossy grove]

What do you think, I got 4set, 409gs

For Raid solo target

[gusty mirage]

idk how to answer your question

[glossy grove]

Well I mean is it valueable to change 1 poison bomb into reciept of zoldycks

[gusty mirage]

how are you going to do that

you need 2 points in poison bomb to continue down the tree

[glossy grove]

you can :p

no

a