assassination

[simple gulch]

no, it doesn't work

[balmy condor]

does it look like this?

[simple gulch]

it's not showing lariat in my import

[balmy condor]

that makes it show like this for me

[balmy condor]

ya okay so that's your equipped neck, copy that whole line, then add it to the bottom with a # in front

like the rest of the bag gear

[flint tusk]

Lariet in the Vault

[balmy condor]

^ so it looks like this

[simple gulch]

it worked

[balmy condor]

okay

now to make that new one crit mast

you see the end of that new lariat

where it says "crafted_stats=32/36"

[simple gulch]

yes

[balmy condor]

change the 32/36 to 36/40

it should say crit/mast now

[simple gulch]

it's the same

stats

[balmy condor]

uh

hold

32/40?

[vestal wren]

list with all crafted items, if you need a reference

[simple gulch]

still the same lol

[balmy condor]

aight idk take fuu's import and just drop it in

32/40 should work

[vestal wren]

you can also just paste that below your /simc

[balmy condor]

but it's cursed i guess

maybe some bonus id shit

[warm zinc]

is the CoS ring the absolute bis ring till the 2 mythic rings from raid ? or any other thots?

[balmy condor]

absolute bis

[warm zinc]

ST always

[vestal wren]

it is about 0.4% ahead of the 2nd best

[simple gulch]

It worked after I copied fuu's import

thanks guys

[vestal wren]

(combined with the fire ring, as that one is bis with cowl)

👍

[warm zinc]

cheers

[simple gulch]

so from now on, how often do we get sparks?

[balmy condor]

another in 2 weeks, and then uncapped I believe?

[simple gulch]

hmm

[gusty mirage]

That’s the best part, we don’t know

[balmy condor]

I love a good mystery

[weak crescent]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

I love a lack of communication

[balmy condor]

I think my favorite mystery right now is whether "6 weeks after raid launch" for catalyst means 17th or 24th

cause apparently people can't agree on that either

[gusty mirage]

[glass junco]

guys, let me get this straight, the toxic boots need another crafted item with toxified armor patch to get buffed?

[vestal wren]

yes, gives a sense of mystery. I am sure the majority loves that

[gusty mirage]

There is Paryah’s guide on wowhead that says the 17th

[glass junco]

and this apparently is not worth it cause u would lose lariat?

[gusty mirage]

So I guess we can all riot when it ends up being the week of the 23rd

[balmy condor]

no, you can add a toxified armor patch to the boots, doubling the effect, but then it counts for 2 embellishments

[glass junco]

so yeah u lose the lariat in that case which i suppose is not worth it

[balmy condor]

correct

lariat+cowl is our best combo of embellishments

[glass junco]

i mean, ill probably craft the boots anyways even without the buff, cause they are the best upgrade rn, i have weapons and 421 head tier set, and no chance of getting diurna ring

[balmy condor]

cowl was beating every other embellish for me

even without ring

but boots are def good

decent temp upgrade until you can sort out a ring and get tier in the right slots

[gusty mirage]

Boots require you to go into brackenhide to craft though

[balmy condor]

leatherworkers are hungry

[gusty mirage]

Which honestly is kinda cringe

[royal lantern]

such a dumb vanilla bait mechanic

[balmy condor]

I seen some of them depraved crafters

[gusty mirage]

I had a guildie ask me to make them the mail ones

Told them message me when they clear up to the altar

[balmy condor]

was it eternal

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

I bet it was eternal

[gusty mirage]

It was my RL on his dragon

[balmy condor]

YIKES

[balmy condor]

"not particularly no"

the bonus for unlocking the decay crafting sub-tree should be you don't need the altar of decay

idk how they didn't think of that

blizzard can have that one for free

I don't even want the credit

[brazen zodiac]

lol

u can extend the lockout for 2 weeks afterwards btw

still 20 minutes out of main city tho lol

[balmy condor]

this should've been baseline

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

Didn’t even think of that tbh

[balmy condor]

that still means you would have to run a brackenhide every 2 weeks

I wouldn't wish that on anyone

[gusty mirage]

Wait until next season when we’re running it every week

[brazen zodiac]

thats why i charge a fat onetime payment of 30k

[balmy condor]

you mean wait until next season when I hit 2400 without running a single brackenhide

[gusty mirage]

Naturally

[balmy condor]

brackenhide might be the worst dungeon they have ever made

I struggle to think of anything even close to it

which designer looked at healer poison dispels and said "you know what, a dungeon that requires 5 poison dispels every 30 seconds"

and how high were they

[gusty mirage]

That’s why they cast hideous laughter

[thin gate]

• assassin mobs xaxaxa

[gusty mirage]

Because that’s us 20 minutes into the dungeon

[thin gate]

cant wait for pugs brackenhide

when ppl pull stealthies

[gusty mirage]

I can’t wait for a fear to go off because a DH was too busy casting eye beam to interrupt

[balmy condor]

maybe brackenhide is actually an experiment to see how shit they can make a dungeon and still have the community farm it

[dense jetty]

I’m not pugging that

[thin gate]

@gusty mirage dont forget the legendary slide build for the +3 packs by mistake

[balmy condor]

"you think if we give them a shit sandwich, they'll eat it?"

[gusty mirage]

[thin gate]

fel rush into OTHA PACK

zug zug

[gusty mirage]

That dungeon might be enough to make me finally quit

[balmy condor]

bro the poison is going to scale with key level

actually the most headempty designed dungeon I have ever seen

I fully expect a whole ass rework and nuke of the poison

it does not stay in the game

simply not possible with healer design atm

[gusty mirage]

Great design after they decided to nerf healers going into DF too

[shut owl]

My fav part is the spot right before the first boss where it forces you out of stealth erratically

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

uhm, AKSHUALY its disease

and not poison

[balmy condor]

AKSHUALLIE I didn't ask

[royal lantern]

dont worry, that will 100% NOT be fixed

until like, 4weeks in m+

healers cant drink aswell btw, perma cancles that aswell

[shut owl]

Hilariously though, I did manage to solo last boss, gutripper, and hungry tree as sin in normal mode. Just don't have a way to cheese the terrible trio at the start

[slim hamlet]

Huh never had this happen

[shut owl]

I may take sadistic pleasure in watching randos implode on that dungeon whenever I need to decay craft

[slim hamlet]

Skill issue I suppose

[hardy dagger]

421 box with avoidance

[shut owl]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-i-got-a-rock-gif-10605542

[raw marlin]

So I’ve played outlaw and sub to high levels. Going to try my hand at assassin now, it feels the most complicated from what I’m reading lol

[balmy condor]

it's either very straight forward if you understand why you push the things you do

or if you just blindly follow a rotation with no understanding you'll be forever lost

is what it seems like to me from talking to people

[slim hamlet]

Before starting sin rogue, I def thought it was one of the hardest

[raw marlin]

I blindly follow stuff until my hands work the rotation naturally and then I figure out why 😂

[balmy condor]

yeah you're fucked

[slim hamlet]

And it probably is hardest when looking at it without playing it, but actually playing it is much easier

[raw marlin]

I play assassin in pvp

So I’m hoping that helps ha

[balmy condor]

figuring out the why after the what is pretty killer

[slim hamlet]

so you press gar-gar + rup exsang and dm and people die?

Yeah hard rotation

[raw marlin]

You kidney and shiv

Come on now

[slim hamlet]

true

[balmy condor]

they sometimes DM then exsang to compress the deathmark into the kidney too

[raw marlin]

And blind the other dude and then bomb and then EVIL LAUGH EMOTE AS THEY BLEED TK THEIR DEMISEE

[balmy condor]

absolute animals

[slim hamlet]

Smart

But they still die in kidney

without doing that

please nerf smh

[raw marlin]

I got 4 piece today

So that’s fun

[balmy condor]

that is very fun

[slim hamlet]

If you can get their wall you just do your bleeds and go afk

[raw marlin]

The last time I play sin was legion last raid

And remember last boss just dotting shit up

[balmy condor]

oh, easy then

you just do that

but twice as fast

and with 6 more buttons

[raw marlin]

You only have more buttons if you remember to push them

It’s like when I play brew lol

https://tenor.com/view/cat-keyboard-smash-gif-15394889

[cinder torrent]

does thistle tea work after bleeds/poisions are applied or do i have to snapshot

[slim hamlet]

No snapshotting besides exsang

which only snapshots haste

[tender kelp]

Hi guys, sorry for such a dumb question. I have already crafted my lariat, one weapon and a ring. Is it okay to craft anything I lack on ilvl (e.g. boots) that's also not a set piece in raid? Or is there a specific route on what to craft next?

[raw marlin]

just dont do what i did and make cowl and then realise you cant use 3 of the 'embellishments'

[tender kelp]

The second weap that I got is 411 rn, prolly going to upgrade it with valor, don't want to craft 2nd weapon since it has less crit

[tender kelp]

Yeah I'm not planning on that xD

[plucky dock]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[royal lantern]

just let a crafter remove the weapon emb?

[raw marlin]

i didnt think you could do that?

the recraft doesnt allow that, but maybe the crafter can? is that a thing

[gusty mirage]

You can

[raw marlin]

ooooohhh

how do i do this?

[gusty mirage]

They added it like 3 weeks ago

Griftah in obsidian citadel sells an item

Just recraft it with that in the embellish spot

Replaces your embellish with “+1 sparkle”

[raw marlin]

oh shit you absolute beauty

❤️

meh the dif is tiny fml

[royal lantern]

92k?

thats a dslice right

[slim hamlet]

Yeah u prob dont have eggnog ring?

[raw marlin]

yeah

[tender cedar]

I can finally use my cowl+ ring and don’t loose 4pc after that vault 😬

[raw marlin]

yh i dont have it, unless it drops in lfr.. already done it on heroic and normal this morning ha

[timber basalt]

I should've taken normal ring from the vault last week

[lusty surge]

Our prot warrior got both rings in his vault this week

Dude is just geared to the teeth

Both fire rings that is

[burnt star]

Dont feel bad. Normal is barely better then what u can get from.m+

[fringe bridge]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[slim hamlet]

Yeah it's the ring in combination with flaring cowl that makes it good in st

[clear thorn]

So now I have the heroic ring and a spark for my flaring cowl but I messed up and didn’t realize I break my 4set fml. Guild is going to kill me unless I get a pair of tier gloves 🥺

[burnt star]

Imagine if 4 week in raid. We still cant catalyst tier 😦

[plucky pasture]

guys i don't understand how Serrated Bone Spike work. Guides say "use to avoid overcapping stacks" what it mean? To use it when the 3rd charge is coming back? Or it stack somehow on the target? In that case I need to track it better.. hmmm

[balmy condor]

With how many fights have adds, you want to make sure you have charges when they spawn, that’s why you just spend charges before you max out on 3

But in single target like terros, just use them all

Doesn’t matter

Holding charges is just more versatile

[dim mural]

Only got 2 set, both from vault. Been very unlucky with zenith tokens while other tokens are rolled for to get tertiary stats. Atleast i got another tier in this weeks vault so i don't break 2 set while equipping cowl 😎

[balmy condor]

You always want to be able to use bone spike on something that doesn’t have the dot when possible

[plucky pasture]

Oh okey so in ST doesn't matter just use them on cd right?

[odd bridge]

I've been noticing bleeds stacking on my targets debuff aura. Does anyone have any more information about this ? Had no clue they stacked and honestly I'm not even necessarily sure what stacking means. I assume poisons don't stack and just bleeds ? Is there a stack cap?

[pale plank]

I like to use them slowly, and always save a charge for ER combo point

There are time when u are running low energy and got no tea, bone spike comes in clutch when u need combo points

[teal bloom]

@odd bridge Do you mean amplifying poison stacks?

[odd bridge]

No I run crippling and deadly. Talking more so about my bleeds like rupture stacking does that mean it is applying double damage ?

[pale plank]

Maybe during deathmark?

[odd bridge]

I wonder if I have a talent that is letting bleed stack or if it's just the game

Ah! That could be it.

[halcyon pumice]

if you're using plater you might be seeing another rogue's poisons and bleeds if you don't have "only show debuffs applied by me" enabled

[teal bloom]

yeah deathmark makes copies of garrote/rupture during it's duration

[pale plank]

If so deathmark copies does do dmg

[odd bridge]

It must be drathmark cuz I have that off on plater

[teal bloom]

and poisons

[odd bridge]

Thank you very much. !

[azure bronze]

Man I don't know what to pick for assa. Ring is a direct upgrade but the 421 gloves will be a bigger upgrade if I convert it to tier next week

[fading wigeon]

Ring

Ring

And ring

[indigo epoch]

What will we need to convert pieces to tier? Valor? Primal chaos? Something else?

[prisma cypress]

primal chaos is a good guess

[pale plank]

Ring

[raven knoll]

time

[pale plank]

Depending on ur luck u might never see that ring again

[gusty mirage]

can't loot a 418 ring from anywhere

[lusty surge]

Just snap off the ring

[gusty mirage]

can loot equiv ilvl gear for the other slots

• catalyst either next week or the week after if you're hurting for tier

ez 418 signet

rule of thumb: if it's a trinket or fancy item (such as signet) from m+ higher than valor ilvl cap

you take it

regardless of dps upgrade

[sour hinge]

Performing poorly on eranog with 4p and ilvl 406. Which build are you all using? Straight DTB or DTB with fan of knives talent? I find myself just focusing boss. Is it a matter of keeping bleeds and FoK on adds?

[gusty mirage]

we talking mythic?

[sour hinge]

Heroic

[gusty mirage]

just funnel boss

[lusty surge]

Ignore adds

[gusty mirage]

adds die way too quick for you to get any value out of them except maybe extra CP from using FoK

[lusty surge]

Or funnel yea

[sour hinge]

But i get trash dps and low parses doing that 😦

Other bosses are fine

[gusty mirage]

that's probably just a kill timer issue homie

[lusty surge]

Got your opener nailed down?

[gusty mirage]

you're just not going to feasibly get any real DPS out of the adds playing assassination

[lusty surge]

I'm assuming if you're good on other bosses then it's just bad kill timer

[sour hinge]

I think so. I’m parsing 90+ on other bosses.

[gusty mirage]

plus also remember people are still farming the eranog ring so you got degens (like me, I'm the degen) that are 410+ ilvl getting PI to compete with

PI is like 7% dps for me

so all things being equal, I'm doing 7% more dps than you because my RL wants to PI me

factor that in

[fading wigeon]

Yeah we killed mythic eranog in just over 3 minutes. Hard to parse as sin with that kind of timer lol

Yeah wish I could get PI, the unholy gets that haha

[gusty mirage]

as long as the boss is dying and you're doing good boss damage

your job is done

[sour hinge]

Sorry what’s pi

[lusty surge]

Sounds like you go exsang and hold 2nd dm

[gusty mirage]

power infusion

2 minute priest CD gives you 25%(?) haste

[lusty surge]

For that juicy execute

[sour hinge]

Ohhhh I see

Thought it was a drop

[azure bronze]

I'll yoink the ring then, thanks for the advice !

[lusty surge]

20% haste for 20s isn't it?

[gusty mirage]

25% for 20s

it's fucking stupid

[fading wigeon]

Why haven't you done it yet . Go go go :p

[gusty mirage]

and if you're playing exsang

it just skyrockets your opener

lol

[lusty surge]

It's nice that it lines up with exsang in opener

I get it on some bosses

[sour hinge]

I get like 300 more simulated dps with exsang so I just said fuck it

[pale plank]

I have never gotten pi

[sour hinge]

Doing straight poison Dtb

[pale plank]

It goes to the arcane mage in my group

[gusty mirage]

yeah 300 dps isn't worth you hating your life while playing the game

[balmy condor]

Hey guys new rogue here any new builds? When do I puzzle box?

[gusty mirage]

0 capstones, during DM

[fading wigeon]

Easy puzzle box 30 sec pre pull

[gusty mirage]

make sure you take the FoK talents so you can FoK in ST

[balmy condor]

Ty! 🙂

[lusty surge]

After you do your deathly shadows snd

[pale plank]

👀

[gusty mirage]

he won't take it

we've pleaded with him to take it

[nocturne current]

Whyspitroll

[gusty mirage]

and he refuses

so our RL had all of us sim PI

[pale plank]

Ain’t no way, a mage refusing pi? That’s a first for me

[gusty mirage]

and the only spec that's getting more than me is our uhdk

[pale plank]

They love them pi

[balmy condor]

Guess who gets our PI

[fading wigeon]

This mage is a Saint lol

[teal bloom]

PI is not ethical

[gusty mirage]

not minalba

[lusty surge]

Is he like clipping gcd too hard or something lol

Can't keep up with pi

[lapis helm]

hi team, playing around with assassination and seems like i'm energy starved all the time after blowing through my Tea's. is that normal?

[balmy condor]

Daylea on evoker

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Evoker PI is actually crazy good

[gusty mirage]

better than 7%?

[lapis helm]

awesome, thanks @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

no shot

[balmy condor]

I simmed PI for daylea

[gusty mirage]

unfortunately our evoker is about 20% as good as day

she's still really good

but @safe frigate built diffy

[balmy condor]

It’s true

She padded the fuck out of Raszageth

Going into second intermission over 100k

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Actually despicable

[gusty mirage]

good thing they just got a buff

they sure needed it

despite getting juiced out of their minds w/ 4pc + evoker staff

meanwhile assassination only does ST well

and got nerfed harder than the other 2 rogue specs

arcane mage continues to exist

[balmy condor]

Hey, we’re still the top single target spec (not counting arcane, or unholy, or bm hunter)

[gusty mirage]

and they nerfed outlaw

what a fucking timeline

[pale plank]

I play evoker as an alt, all I am gonna say their dps on full health boss are too good, their aoe burst is just obscene

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

yeah when our unholy dk stops RPing as bicepspump he actually beats me

[safe frigate]

Pad? Those adds needed to die.

[gusty mirage]

what a world to live on

[gusty mirage]

hi ily and you're wonderful

[balmy condor]

Cope

[safe frigate]

Ily too have an amazing day!!’

[pale plank]

I don’t know what they did to unholy, but they pumping

[gusty mirage]

gets buffed btw

but nerf rogue

[pale plank]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[gusty mirage]

BASED ON HEROIC LOGS

BTW

@balmy condor pretty sure destro out sims assassination now too

or at least is super close

[thorny pond]

crafts cowl
doesn't get ring
feelsbadman.jpg.mp4

[gusty mirage]

fun game

[deep meteor]

hi, pls, I'm convinced already but box right? very small chance to see it again (already got 4p and 418 weap)

[gusty mirage]

take box

[pallid spear]

Did something happen to the Single Target Kingsbane build apl-wise? its been like 400 to 500 dps lower than DTB but today when simming Vault options, its like 1500 dps better than your typical single target DTB

[thorny pond]

421 box

yo

calm

[gusty mirage]

did you loot a puzzle box

[deep meteor]

ty I'm more convinced now

[pallid spear]

yea 405, thats actually the sole reason?

[gusty mirage]

[lavish lichen]

Yea and then they are useless for hard part of basically all boss encounters due to their mastery

[gusty mirage]

puzzle box puts you in KB+Exsang prison

[pallid spear]

Oh damn alright ty!

[gusty mirage]

but don't worry

[thorny pond]

i did not get box

[gusty mirage]

if you hate that playstyle

[thorny pond]

but stuck in that hell

[gusty mirage]

blizzard is deleting KB effectively from the game

in 10.0.5

by making it compete directly with DtB with none of the perks that helped prop up KB

[thorny pond]

Shiv is bae now

[blissful crown]

They should do the same to exsang

[gusty mirage]

afaik exsang is likely going bye bye

it's not if, it's when

45s -> 3 min; 100% speed down to 80% and still as strong as our capstones

[lusty surge]

Really sad

I love kb

[pallid spear]

yea saw that one, kinda sad tho i really do like kingsbane i just despite exsang on 3min. also not sure if i'm going to play sub on raszageth or sin execute

[gusty mirage]

its okay guys

we have an aoe soothe now

assassination is saved in m+

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pallid spear]

🥳

[gusty mirage]

oh wait

awkward

[pale plank]

[gusty mirage]

think of all that extra utility you get for -0.6% overall

and

-11.68% ST damage

WAHOO

[teal bloom]

doing tank dps single target Pog

[spark nymph]

does deathmark snapshot?

[gusty mirage]

no

[spark nymph]

thx.

[gusty mirage]

only thing that snapshots is exsanguinate, and it snapshots the haste you have for the bleed tick rates

[rain oyster]

Manic grief torch sims do not account for more uses from ppl dying right?

[thorn crater]

hmmm wonder who thought that when first reading the change.

varas was the one talking logic in here

imagine the copium people were huffing

[rain oyster]

Nvm I found the answer

[spark nymph]

does it?

[rain oyster]

No. It uses it every 2 minz

So the trinket fuuucks on prog

[spark nymph]

kk. figured since cant really account of ammount of deaths

[proper tapir]

After Exsang/Garrote falls off during DM, we Vanish > Gar > finish > Gar?

For max pandemic of imp Gar and 5CPs.

Feelcraft tells me yes

[thorny pond]

Opener in FAQ has that for you sir

[proper tapir]

No it doesn't

[thorny pond]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037333062083678268/1052026886680760380/ST-KB-rota.png?width=810&height=284

[spice spire]

[proper tapir]

Where does that say what to do after Gar when using the footnote #2

[thorny pond]

What else are you going to do

[woeful wigeon]

is elemantal lariat still good ? its first craft to 405

[tacit mica]

maybe a dumb question but do i care about putting the primary stat gem into lariat or not? does the lariat then give primary stat or does lariat just give w/e highest secondary is on the socket?

[thorny pond]

follow the rotation man

nothing changes

[proper tapir]

ZOMG, thank you for trying to be helpful.

[thorny pond]

Dude just read man. Trying to help but you are being dense

like finisher rules don't change

[proper tapir]

Yikes, I wasnt implying any finisher changes

[pale plank]

Yea it’s still good

[woeful wigeon]

so we still go for flaring cowl with rings of raid + lariat

[pale plank]

There is a primary + secondary stat gem, usually that’s the best one to have, the rest are all secondary stats gems

[woeful wigeon]

atm i have weapen embelishement

[thorny pond]

Then what do you need us for?

[pale plank]

Yes, it sims higher, but always sim ur self

Not by much

[woeful wigeon]

you sounds like whispyr ,ow XD

[pale plank]

I am getting influenced too much on this channel

[woeful wigeon]

you need to ask for promotion

[tacit mica]

thats what i thought and have i just got concerned by the fact that bis sim has it in helmet 😄 but it probably doesnt matter

[pale plank]

Nope, I wanna sleep

[pale plank]

It won’t matter

[manic haven]

Does anyone have the potion macro for the various tiers?

[thorny pond]

I have it set to DM with the fleeting one for raid

[strange python]

?? Eranog ring and flaring cowl sims far ahead of everything else

[pale plank]

Don’t take it from me, this is information provided in faqs

[strange python]

That's absolutely not up to date for the real drop rates and sims we've seen.

It's not close. The combo far surpasses everything else in those slots.

[tacit mica]

yep

[tacit mica]

gotta check those updated sims

[pale plank]

Noted

So ~0.5% difference?

[vestal wren]

dropoptimizer is the best way to see how much of a gain it is for you
(or gear compare)

the ring def. brings the value of cowl up

[thin trout]

yo guys is ruby whelp shell any good?

[vestal wren]

puzzle box is bis

[pale plank]

Box

[vestal wren]

for assassinaiton

[rain oyster]

Wtf

Vault of gods

[manic haven]

Trying to sim how much of an upgrade cowl would be for me in droptimiser, is there an overwrite for "too many of unique-equipped" @vestal wren

[pale plank]

This dude got all the good stuff

[tacit mica]

no.. its 1.1% assuming uptime on the mastery 😄

[vestal wren]

so gz on it

[tacit mica]

god damn juicy box gz

holy whetstone nad puzzlebox.. what a vault

[vestal wren]

not sure, you might need to opt to gear compare

[pale plank]

Stop flexing, I can’t take it

[rain oyster]

I’d take whetstone to flex all 3 specs

[pale plank]

I would take whetstone if u flex

[forest nacelle]

is Dragon-Tempered Blades viable?

just curious

[pale plank]

[pale plank]

BIS

[forest nacelle]

then ppl must be on crack since i got kicked from a M+ (before it even started) for not using the bleed build

was wtf

[pale plank]

Oh u talking about m+, I am not Knowledgeable in that department since I swap to sub for m+, but I know there are 2 viable builds, kingsbane + ic, and a DTB

[lusty surge]

IC is very valuable in m+

[forest nacelle]

i can't stand IC >.<

just a me problem tho.

[pale plank]

How are sin doing in m+ btw? They keeping up with other dps?

[pale plank]

[forest nacelle]

im not toxic 😦

[magic gale]

yo i really need some advice here... https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/chjYhDVHN8uYorU2otkm31 i have the option to go for cowl + eranog ring from vault and lose 2 set, craft cowl and pick tier piece to keep 2set without ring and be (3set with head piece in inv) which is more worth path to pursue, i guess ring in the long run as u can craft set pieces in couple of weeks?

[lusty surge]

I keep up or beat my team as sin

Doing 18s+ for reference

[pale plank]

Hard question, I would pick ring since it’s a harder to get

[lusty surge]

The huge thing I've noticed is you get really boned with no restealths

[pale plank]

U running KB+IC?

[lusty surge]

Yea

[pale plank]

Oh yea this week is ass with spiteful

[lusty surge]

Once my tank started playing around IC my dps went up a lot

Yeah it is

But a lot of tanks just chain without realizing how much restealth matters for sin rn

[pale plank]

This happens a lot, main reason I go sub, it’s to have an easier time

Shuriken storm and black powder is just too op

[pale plank]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think tier crafting is next week or the next after so it’s very soon

[lusty surge]

I got so sick of bp spam last expac lol

IC is like

Divine toll

Plus darkness

It's great

[magic gale]

where is whispyrs or fuus giga brain when i needed them the most

[teal bloom]

Got ilevel 415 dagger from vault and got socketed tier helm from normal raszageth pug Pog

4 set now

[lusty surge]

Does garrotes silence effect count as an interrupt

For the purposes of the mc trash in shadowmoon

[spark nymph]

XD

[gusty mirage]

yes

[lusty surge]

Ty

[gusty mirage]

[thorny cloak]

hi everyone, is DTB really usable in m+, or way too random ?

[teal bloom]

I don't think it is random, I guess poison bomb procs can cause some variance. It can be good for single target damage atleast during tyrannical weeks

[thorny cloak]

(asking mainly because i love the effect of the poison bomb)

[thorny pond]

There is a DTB build that takes CT

[teal bloom]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorny cloak]

as long as CT is taken, it's fine for assass, then. noted. thx for the information.

[exotic parcel]

Where can i find bis gearlist?

[proven stratus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[pale plank]

@lusty surge u play KB+IC on tyrannical weeks too?

[trail tree]

it finally happaned, first run of algethar this week and my puzzle box drops

[lusty surge]

Yep

[trail tree]

[pale plank]

how do u do it? i tried once and the ST was bad fo rme

[lusty surge]

It's not amazing but it's fine

Lining up kb dm exsang in execute helps

Also you can kinda funnel with scent of blood off IC

So any packs with a lieutenant you just rip IC and blow cds on the big mob for huge dmg

[frozen iris]

I tried a 14 hov last night with dtb m+ and my add damage was shit compared to everyone else. I don’t think the pulls were big enough for me to do any real damage or I just suck ass

[spring walrus]

the first boss ring normal is still bis ?

[fringe bridge]

Does anyone know how to combine both types of ambush in details? so it's not reporting them separately in the spell and ability summary?

[proper tapir]

BTW, it is Van Gar finish Gar after the exsanged Gar finishes while in DM. It gives you max pandemic on Imp Gar and tons of CPs. That's what the sim is doing, not what you said.

[teal bloom]

wtf I got 4 tier and exsang sims so much higher than no exsang I have to forget that I ever saw the sim

[lusty surge]

Does dtb get IC now or is that only after patch

[teal bloom]

only after 10.05

[lusty surge]

Ah

[lusty surge]

Could be pull sizes or lack of keeping bleeds up

Hard to say without a log

Exsang is fun

[cinder torrent]

feral druid is insane, whats the counterplay for assassin?

[lusty surge]

Don't listen to the haters

[obtuse socket]

Does anyone remember the site that takes the highest logs and puts them in a massive timeline, like top 100 logs or something like that.

[proper tapir]

You mean https://lorrgs.io/

[obtuse socket]

That's it!

Cheers @proper tapir <3

[frozen iris]

Yeah I’m gonna assume it’s most likely my fault some how. But we weren’t grabbing many packs so it’s probably a combo of both. I’ll need to do test dummy. Usually I tab target bleeds

[fickle seal]

Hey guys one question, which spec is harder to learn, assa or subt?

[teal bloom]

I haven't really ever played sub but I think assa isn't that complicated in single target atleast

[spice spire]

Difficulty is subjective

[thorny cloak]

i find sub easier (everything revolves around SD) and more bursty. but i'm no expert.

[lusty surge]

Sub was harder for me to learn last expac

But the execution of juggling multiple bleeds I find much more difficult than sub

Especially on cleave or aoe

[thorn crater]

uhm what?

i dont know im doing something wrong on sub then

[wanton imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn crater]

esp on aoe XD

[thorny cloak]

multidotting was always a pain.

[thorn crater]

seems to be a mental block for me

but i find sub incredibly hard to play lol

[pale plank]

hmmm...... they are about the same for me, sin focus more on dot, while sub feels more burssty

[thorny cloak]

my main issue with assass is that you have a hard time to keep up when the keys are low -when you're as casual as i am that is to say.

[thorn crater]

i managed to do 20k less overall dps in a 13 SBG as sub than with sin on a 17 SBG

so i guess its a matter of convenience,playstyle,preference etc

basically i sucked hard as sub and i dont even know why. so i guess try both and find what you prefer

[pale plank]

i am a sin main, but i switch to sub for m+ bcz of how ez their aoe rotation is

[thorn crater]

bruh i dno what to tell u

[pale plank]

@fickle seal i would say try both

[thorn crater]

sin seems very easy to me

[pale plank]

everybody got thier playstyle

[fickle seal]

Yh probably will do that

[pale plank]

lmao they are both easy

nothing compared to like an arcane

[thorn crater]

ye well im doing something wrong and i dont know what. mental block is what i assume

imagine spamming shuriken and DB and somehow doing it wrong lol

[pale plank]

lmao broo legit!!!

better example this is a breakdown from a 15 sbg

its all BP and shuriken storm

[lusty surge]

It was actually offensive to me going to sub in SL from trying to force sin

[thorny cloak]

you kidding ? the hardest spec is survival hunter ! just trying to understand what the tree is supposed to be is hard. /s

[lusty surge]

How much easier and better it was lol

[fickle seal]

Yeah i see lol hahahaha

But i think its harder single target than aoe, isnt it?

[pale plank]

i want to say yes, but at the same time i feel like ez too

basically the same but u do gloomblade and eviscerate instead of shuriken storm and BP

[fickle seal]

Ok ok will try it, thanks man

[crisp rover]

hey guys im a rogue main swap this xpack started without outlaw and considering picking this up for a spec swap how hard is assassin to pick up and do well compared to outlaw?

[fickle seal]

and which spec deals more dmg in raid?

[pale plank]

but yea compared to sin it might be harder, sin does have a easier rotation bcz u gotta keep up with dots

[crisp rover]

i see a good bunch using it for some of the more st focused stuff

[pale plank]

they are all very close to be honest, i play sin bcz i like the play style

[lusty surge]

Sin is pretty easy

The kb opener is long and annoying

But you can play dtb for similar dps and an easier opener

[fickle seal]

Yea i also like more sin so i will try it

[visual sequoia]

bronzed grop or adornments? i saw adornments sims a bit higher?

[high mist]

I'd wait until next week to try sin in keys. Rough getting stealth with all the spitefuls.

[pale plank]

i play sin for all bosses, except council

[pale plank]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

this week got me like this

[crisp rover]

i looked at log statiscts in herioc its actually parseing higher on some of the fights

sin

[high mist]

That's me slamming my stealth key lol

[crisp rover]

i got 2 piece atm on outlaw and been getting blues greens

390\

[haughty badge]

Outside of spiteful weeks how are you guys performing aoe wise in keys 10+? Haven’t really touched sin this expac outside of pvp.

[rapid yacht]

Whats more important 4 piece tier or Flaring cowl + Diurna?

[pale plank]

i would say flraing cowl + diurna just bcz they are harder to get, but you will get more dps increase from 4pc

[crisp rover]

i dont know how big 4 is on outlaw either but i got cowl made waiting for ring and my turn to get 4 prcent gain for me

running a 398 contol current and 408 stormeaers which im learning to use

[rapid yacht]

I had heroic diurna and my 4th piece of tier pop in vault this week, so i took diurna bc i wasnt sure if id see it again lol

[pale plank]

this is the dps increase for each spec, beware that it might be outdated, but the difference shouldnt be much

[high mist]

I do a lot more aoe as outlaw but sin has been really competitive for me compared to the other dps. Helps a lot on tyr week when you can melt bosses.

[teal bloom]

balance druid 4 set monkaW

[pale plank]

yep them without 4 pcs is nothing

[crisp rover]

ok cool so if it is update its around same as grimtorch swap in for me

but combined also make it do lil bit more

ill start reading sin faq and giving this spec a go for some fights herioc staticts show sin higher on some fights than outlaw on herioc

im guessing its cause adds die so fast in herioc

[visual sequoia]

is Blue Silken Lining good embelishment or bronze/fang better?

[rapid yacht]

according to sim sheet right now, i believe you want blue silken lining

[teal bloom]

It probably oversims a bit because sim assumes you are always above 90%

[gusty mirage]

you would believe incorrectly

[vestal wren]

!sheet has all 3 specs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[marble sonnet]

What do you guys craft with 4th spark

[trim zinc]

stealth doesnt matter that much just for the ironwire silence, just vanish

[lusty surge]

Huh

[weak horizon]

Have any of you guys crafted trinkets with your sparks? Any good ones out there?

[fickle seal]

@pale plank i did 40k dps overall in m+ 14 as 400 ilv, i think i must be doing something wrong xDDD

[high mist]

going into a pull without the quick 4 garottes w/ the dmg buff feels bad to me

[gray crest]

It is feels bad.

[lusty surge]

It's very bad lol

[high mist]

can use vanish when it's up but it's just a pain this week. won't get a true feel for playing sin until spiteful is over if someone's just starting it for the first time.

[pale plank]

which dungeon, and do u have 4pc?

[lusty surge]

You can get restealths while the spiteful are spawning

If you're quick

[fickle seal]

ruby life pools, nope got 0 tier equipment

[lusty surge]

Spiteful is a pain but it's sorta possible to play around

[viscid spear]

You can get a restealth easy if the Spiteful aren't coming for you when they spawn

[covert basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[pale plank]

hmmm.... i doesnt sound bad, but since i dont sin for m+ i am not sure

[fickle seal]

as outlaw i deal 60k + overall

[pale plank]

uff thats bad, maybe someone here that plays sin for m+ can help u and see what went wrong

@lusty surge maybe

[lusty surge]

Depends on what build you're playing, what the pulls like, your gear etc

Would need a log or smth

[keen spruce]

no and no

[fickle seal]

I think the worst thing that i did is the rotation hahaha

[gentle gyro]

this week might also be harder for sin cause you get to re-stealth less

grievous is a fun affix

[fickle seal]

If u could link me a guide or just give me some starter tips i would be grateful @lusty surge

[keen spruce]

gevious is an ignored affix unless ur a healer

[gentle gyro]

i mean sort of, it puts you out of stealth and unless a tank explicitly waits for you to be full hp / in stealth you will lose a lot of damage

[meager granite]

between pug tanks, spiteful and grievious this is a no restealth week

[keen spruce]

if there's no spiteful but a few grevious stacks you can stealth, step, garrote before it breaks

just kinda hinkey

[gentle gyro]

riiiiight, spiteful is also a thing. playing outlaw in m+ so I don't worry about it as much

[keen spruce]

same

turn brain off, slap buttons from almost as far away from mobs as an evoker

[low junco]

anyone facing the struggle where kingsbane does 600k one pull and 1mil the other ( opener)

I've been trying to go through logs to establish what is happening but I barely notice any difference in my rotation

[keen spruce]

tea?

[gentle gyro]

shiv window / tea

[keen spruce]

I don't play KB tho so idk how that all lines up

[chrome holly]

hey, is it worth crafting another dagger for OH? i wont be seeing mythic brood so wont have a shot at that dagger

[strange python]

Check if sophic overlaps.

[keen spruce]

OH wep dps isn't super big value

[strange python]

If you got sophic one pull and not the other, this would do it

[open lion]

how is sin on Council?

[strange python]

Medium. And sub is bis.

[open lion]

beating outlaw or nah?

[strange python]

No

[open lion]

really

[keen spruce]

big nah

[open lion]

Sub

[strange python]

Outlaw and sub are top 5 specs on council. Sin is middle of the pack

Sub has insane 4target

[low junco]

It doesn't

but also it seems like shiv and tea have nearly 100% uptime

[strange python]

No sophic both pulls?

[low junco]

idk

yeah it seems like

my 4pc doesn't proc

at all

[strange python]

That's weird

[keen spruce]

envenom uptime during KB?

[strange python]

Zoom window in on KB, check uptime on EP, check melee swings, casts, etc

Could be natural variance, but that's a large variance if it's not sophic/trinket procs

[low junco]

hmm

[keen spruce]

show logs?

[low junco]

I'll check up again when we send mythic reclear tonight

[keen spruce]

i'm curious now

or just post toon name i'll go look

[low junco]

logs are unfortunately private

[keen spruce]

[strange python]

My KB damage can vary by a ton but it's usually up to sophic/potion

[keen spruce]

I mean the ramping KB damage is based on lethal poison procs

[solid mica]

You want empowered garrotes

[keen spruce]

it's in inherently pretty rng

if envenom drops that's 30% less poison apps

[strange python]

Well envenom uptime should be like 95% for sin anyways.

And 100% for KB

[keen spruce]

yeah and you shouldn't be starved in the opener

with tea and stuff

[strange python]

The buff pandemiccing is huge

[austere lintel]

yo! anyone knows how to sim embelishments?

[trim zinc]

Ya but it doesn't matter that much

[solid mica]

It definetelt does

Garrote is a massive amount of your dmg in keys

[keen spruce]

'

[keen spruce]

quick and dirty way

[solid mica]

And if ur playing ic you dont get 8 of them

[gray crest]

It's 78% damage on your garrotes. And you can get 3 empowered ones and 1 non empowered. Not to mention IC

[austere lintel]

It doesnt work for crafted embelishments. Like, I want to sim wrapings against fangs

[gilded oasis]

#restealthsmatter

[solid mica]

I mean if youre doing 15s maybe not

[keen spruce]

i'm sure someone smarter than me has a way to do it

I guess you could just equip a random non-embelished wep

and sim all epic crafted and see which one is a bigger gain

super scuffed though

[austere lintel]

Found it

[strange python]

I ❤️ whispyr and he's right about damage, but I think he's wrong on general value.

Applying IC to every single park with Iron Wire is more than just the damage

Vanish application is only ever third IC

[austere lintel]

little + sign on the side

[trim zinc]

true thats why i said its huge cuz iron wire

but not for damage

[trim zinc]

did u read the whispyr msg?? lol

[pale plank]

lmao these are some of the funniest pics i have seen

[trim zinc]

and im not doing 15

[spice surge]

there are a lot of packs where that -15% is just giving the tank more overhealing

[solid mica]

Yes i read it, hes a smart man, it doesnt mean hes a god

[trim zinc]

like he said its about data not feeling

[gray crest]

Yeah imma disagree there, garrote it your highest damage or next to it. being able to amplify it by 78% on every pack is pretty gross

[trim zinc]

78%¨?

[spice surge]

Its 50%

[gray crest]

50+20+8. Assuming additive multipliers

[spice surge]

Shrouded is on all garrotes, stealthed or not and nightstalker doesnt work

Its 50%

And even if nightstalker did work, it only works as long as youre in stealth (or dance)

[gray crest]

Gotcha, still used to shrouded applying to stealthed garrotes

[spice spire]

It used to snapshot too.
But that’s been long fixed

[oak sky]

Ye nightstalker doesnt snapshot anymore

[gusty mirage]

you don't snapshot anymore

[spice spire]

Snapshot this pal

[tough ferry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pmyK9pmtda2RZvFJrVePC7 - should i upgrade lariat to 418 first or create 418 wep for outlaw too?

[tough ferry]

I think you can only have 2 active embelishments

From what im told anyway

Oh for embellishment you gotta swap the unique id for it in the simc output

What that is exactly idk

You could equip 2 weps and see what ids change (each with each embellishment)

[swift dagger]

Q about Puzzle box; on a 5 minute fight I guess it has to be worth delaying Puzzle Box for a minute until 3rd DM at 4 minutes?

[jovial plinth]

hay guys, can i get qucik help? got the academy trinket, and how do i implement it in combat (raid)

[strange python]

!box

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[lusty surge]

This is interesting, I wonder if there's a way to sim dslice with stealth=0 or smth, I'd love to test it

[swift dagger]

thx homie didnt know about that cmd

[strange python]

Np think it's new

[jovial plinth]

okay, but doing the box before or after dm? before right?

[oak sky]

All i do is study now

[swift dagger]

Cant be worth wasting time in DM window casting puzzle box but thats just how I feel

[frigid pilot]

Is 75k sim decent nowadays or am I still giga behind

[jovial plinth]

okay, next problem is horn or box better for dm ? i got both use trinkets on (ik its bad xD)

[frigid pilot]

Also is there a way to easily sim someone’s profile from wclogs when they log out in m+ gear/spec

[frigid pilot]

Puzzle is bis

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor is it worth mutilating from the front below 35% HP, since it gives "free" ambush procs?

[jovial plinth]

so do i keep the horn for next dm then? or shall i use it after trinket cd from box and wait with my dm for my next box? :D

[swift dagger]

Why would u ever not use horn for DM still

oh wait LOL 2 on-use

[teal bloom]

Not sure what's the optimal usage of double on use stat trinkets, pretty awkward

[swift dagger]

sounds like a fun time managing those

[odd python]

!poisons

[jovial plinth]

yep, im actually struggling rn

[trim zinc]

Amp and deadly

[slim hamlet]

I would be suprised if it isnt just box first, horn 2nd and box with exsang on 3rd

[jovial plinth]

@trim zinc actually enjoying kb over dtb? and how much diff. is there between dtb and kb

[slim hamlet]

Seems weird if it is just a throw without cds trink

[jovial plinth]

@slim hamlet https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/unjbdnhXUv2VTrFAUCRu9N

here you go

[slim hamlet]

what this for?

[jovial plinth]

actually saying, to use horn after box gcd

and next dm without trinket

xD

[trim zinc]

I'm playing dtb tbh
Kb on rasz only

[dapper zodiac]

!build

[trim zinc]

I have both kb and dtb roles hehe

[slim hamlet]

Well

I don't believe sims are optimized for opener

[jovial plinth]

may i ask what the beneficial is to play it there?

[trim zinc]

Kb on shields

[jovial plinth]

same, thats why im asking ppl here :3

[slim hamlet]

But was just a guess anyways, and you don't run exsang

[jovial plinth]

tbh im having a hard time getting along with exsang, it feels so clunky

xD

[manic haven]

Evening fellas, I know it's plagued question but with puzzle box on Terros, given its looking like just over a 6 minute fight (My guild hit the enrage), is there any chance it makes sense to desync and send PB on its own 3 minutes in and then have it back up for the 3rd DM 6 minutes in?

[slim hamlet]

[jovial plinth]

is it just me ?` xDDDDDD

[slim hamlet]

[grim pawn]

4 pc boosts already applied bleeds right?

[slim hamlet]

What does that mean

oh

I read it totally wrong

Yeah bleeds are "dynamic" aka not snapshotted

[teal bloom]

Exsang sims like 1,5% higher than no exsang after I got 4 set, but I won't probably still play it lol

[slim hamlet]

I've shamefully become an exsang non-hater since 3 min changes

I don't hate it anymore, but it's not like I love it either

This mine now also

With current gear being bleed dtb + exsang

[tall flame]

are we not able to macro puzzle box or something? i've tried doing /use and /cast and it keeps saying item isnt ready yet

[slim hamlet]

It's channel trinket

So wouldn't rly do anything

Would be like macroing mutilate and envenom in same macro

[tall flame]

gotcha, ty

[glacial cloud]

which build would you recommend? the KB or DTB?

[jovial plinth]

dtb is simply easier

[limber lion]

Yeh it's good

[glacial cloud]

with which poisons do you play with the KB and DTB build?

[swift dagger]

Amp>Deadly, if dtb u run both 🙂

[glacial cloud]

thank you!

[manic haven]

What's the setting in details to stop it wiping on vanish while on dummy, friends?

[lusty surge]

Dynamic overall damage I think

[manic haven]

Cheers

[spring bane]

As a rough estimate, about what ilvl do sin rogues start popping off? I’m 386 and can barely get to 40k overall in keys.

[jovial spear]

Whats this cowl that everyone wants to combine with the ring?

[oak sky]

Theres no pop off really just gradual gains like any other spec

[spring bane]

Crated leather helm. Does fire damage procing the ring

[jovial spear]

ahaaa

[swift dagger]

Gonna craft Flaring Cowl to pair with my LFR Eranog ring

[spice spire]

It’s a bold strategy, Cotton

[swift dagger]

Sadly its best simming

[vestal wren]

[swift dagger]

long term its fine, I will eventually get higher ilvl ring

[grim jay]

duh 415 box + 411 torch still better than M icon until dd + tank + heal and without resets at that

[shy meteor]

So if I'm learning assassination, should I just learn dtb instead of kings bane with the upcoming changes

[jovial spear]

So should deffo grab the HC ring from Vault then, if I can combine it with the Flaring Cowl?

[swift dagger]

DTB is a lot easier to play

[limber lion]

Made it 3 weeks ago, still no ring

[swift dagger]

Just run LFR

[limber lion]

I'm good

[vestal wren]

okay, thats big

[limber lion]

[visual hemlock]

is ring from first boss in raid still bis? i am getting different results of sims everyday and i used both nightly and weekly

[swift dagger]

with your gear probs not worth, my rings are poopy so thats probs why its worth for me

[spring bane]

I’ve just seen lots of sin rogue pumping in aoe, rotation wise we do the same, but I just know they are sitting on 405+ ilvl

[frigid pilot]

@limber lion got mythic socketed fire ring from vault, life is good

[shy meteor]

Damage profile of kings bane seemed more fun, but with the changes, probably not worth to learn right?

[swift dagger]

Both have their perks, but if youre learning I suggest u start with DTB

[visual hemlock]

one day ring is 3,3k dps and today its -700 dps

[tacit oracle]

When you get lucky w poison bombs. If you want to pop off on Keys then...

[limber lion]

Keep yourself safe.

[polar matrix]

@limber lion what your sim for patchwork atm

[spice spire]

This is getting out of pocket

[limber lion]

Uh, let me sim myself real quick

Got new bracers, upgraded boots and ring a bit

[swift dagger]

Anyone else saving their Valor for DF S2?

[fading wigeon]

They will usually reset it by season 2

[swift dagger]

i know i was joking

:p

[fading wigeon]

Ok

Lol

[swift dagger]

Been hoarding it for way too long

[swift dagger]

knew it was funny joke

[limber lion]

@polar matrix https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fGFcZwZRHestv9Pzje5U3N

It's not super good, still missing Grieftorch and Eranog ring :(

[polar matrix]

fuck you're a weapon haha

im shy of 77 atm

[swift dagger]

those numbers are wild

[oblique jackal]

@limber lion why kingsbane ?

[limber lion]

Sims the highest

[fading wigeon]

Here I am happy about getting to 73k lol

I have a long way to go

[shut owl]

hello from the 60k club

[sonic spindle]

Hello from the 40k club, please don’t throw me out.

[cinder sparrow]

wtf u procc a socket or there is an item to put a socket ?

[oblique jackal]

I’m at 70k now as well !

[limber lion]

I got a socket from the Great Vault

I got a bad vault the second week, so I bought a socket instead

[cinder sparrow]

oohhh

ok

[strange python]

Guild still prioing ring to "classes that do fire damage" even as our melee have flaring cowl

So fucking cringe man

Warlock cites +950 DPS in his sim, all our melee staring at +2k.

[frigid pilot]

Just get it from vault

[shy meteor]

Any good videos for assassination rogue rotation?

[tacit oracle]

Record yourself reading the FAQ and you have one.

[limber lion]

LMAO

[gilded oasis]

I could go for a WA of Whispyr yelling my rotation at me actually

[marble cedar]

For Kingsbane build do you use Amplifying Poison?

[shy meteor]

Funny

[limber lion]

Yes

[worldly sphinx]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pliant fog]

"why is kingsbane still off cd??"

[real solar]

Same

hi @gusty mirage

[strange python]

I could use a WA of whispyr calling me a reputable lunatic

[keen spruce]

I'm gonna snipping tool some whispyr quotables and slap them into a WA

[gilded oasis]

Hi Ivan

[gilded oasis]

just flash across the screen at random intervals. bouncing in, bouncing out

[rigid vessel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty kestrel]

that was my dps 3 weeks ago...

glad u finally joined the big boys

[real solar]

hi zar

[real pecan]

is it a very bad idea to macro thistle tea with shiv?

[unborn vapor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[limber lion]

Didn't, still missing 3k+ from ring + guzzler

it's super bad

[dusk onyx]

Is there a softcap on crit? World n1 rogue said on outlaw dont go over 40%. Is there a cap for assa too?

[limber lion]

I've been 80k for 3 weeks now, literally no upgrades.

[gusty kestrel]

even went tauren

[subtle tundra]

??? 3 weeks ago i was simming 70k

[limber lion]

officers needed more cow boys on stormy dragon :(

[limber lion]

yeah but you literally don't even play the game lol

[subtle tundra]

i literally play more than you

[limber lion]

you said 2 weeks ago

that you don't play

and don't care about loot

your words

[subtle tundra]

yea i dont

[limber lion]

too busy irl to play

[subtle tundra]

fucking univerisyt

[indigo epoch]

I think most sims show after 35% crit better getting other stats (mastery) but idk shit im bad

[limber lion]

did something change

[subtle tundra]

Not really

still dont care about gear

still dont have time to play

theoretically

i will have next month

so i can push m+

but i was surprised you simmed 10k more than me

i still only sim like 76k

with grieftorch and whispering

[royal lantern]

"only"

[brazen zodiac]

rip

[royal lantern]

"i only sim higher then probably 90%of people in my spec"

[subtle tundra]

yes

cause we are on broodkeeper

i'd expect better gear

[royal lantern]

well then, loot drop skillissue

dont even have curve, and 2/8m and im simming 77k

loser

[subtle tundra]

can this game

let us clear heroic

and not disband our group

[brazen zodiac]

is it still doing that?

[subtle tundra]

yes

dipshit game

[brazen zodiac]

i cant even enter my brackenhide instance that i saved - either kicks me or tells me i need to free 5/5 tuskars and all bosses still up even tho i cleared n extended

[ebon notch]

no mythic reclear?

[brazen zodiac]

blizzard making me lose wow gold by the second smh

[royal lantern]

varas is pugging iirc

[subtle tundra]

no cause today is hc day

[subtle tundra]

nah

today isnt raid day

[brazen zodiac]

no sadly not

[subtle tundra]

my friends be having fun on tarkov while we cant clear hc cause it disbands us

[languid pier]

?stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[subtle tundra]

again disband

stupid fucking game

[ebon notch]

.stats

?stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[ebon notch]

huh

[chilly viper]

Is there a way to waste less seal fate cp ?

[limber lion]

seal fate is not the problem here

[thorny pond]

Hit that bonesspike

[subtle tundra]

play less crit

[limber lion]

your mutilate should be 0

you do NOT mutilate at 5cp

[chilly viper]

I dump @ 5 ?