assassination

[lament warren]

this is so tragic

[slim hamlet]

what

[spice spire]

[turbid heath]

what spec are you guys running for your +15 keys and higher? 🙂

[unreal coyote]

run raid spec on tyr weeks

dtb

[slim hamlet]

sub/outlaw 🙂

[turbid heath]

sin or nothing

[spice spire]

Assassination because I’m here to be a gamer

[turbid heath]

ty @unreal coyote

[unreal coyote]

run kb+id on forti weeks

[slim hamlet]

You asked spec

[keen spruce]

outlaw cuzi hate myself

[unreal coyote]

people are going to cry no matter what if you play sin

[turbid heath]

apologies ❤️

[unreal coyote]

because m+ is the worst community within wow full of meta parrots

[spice spire]

Ive never once had someone question my spec

[unreal coyote]

ive been booted from a couple groups for it

before we even start

lol

[slim hamlet]

Just switch last second

easy

[unreal coyote]

someone whispered me once "imagine not playing outlaw in m+" after they booted me

[brazen zodiac]

ive had peeps ask me to go sin for iron wire

[thorny pond]

U liek dat bb?

[unreal coyote]

m+ is just full of babies

period

[ruby lotus]

shoulda whispered back and said imagine being beat on the meters by a sin rogue in M+

[slim hamlet]

[unreal coyote]

higher keys when ID is up for every pack its nice

[thorny pond]

@spice spire picked it for me

[slim hamlet]

Skill issue honestly

[unreal coyote]

nah i just said "lol k" and went about my business

[grim jay]

Considering you wanna play raid build on tyr m+ I'd boot you immediately aswell

[thorny pond]

I have been shit talked down as top DPS playing sin. People are toxic

[brazen zodiac]

where do u find these people

[unreal coyote]

lol k

[slim hamlet]

I have never had this happen

[brazen zodiac]

i aint ever had a soul this xpac say anything about sin and ive been pugging 21s lmao

[slim hamlet]

on any spec

played aff lock in m+ in season 3 sl

[brazen zodiac]

except for one spanish dude going "U PLAY SUB? DOUBLE VANISH DOG BOSS?"

[slim hamlet]

never had any issue

[unreal coyote]

its because x streamer's tier list said x spec for x class is the way

duh

[grim jay]

If you dont legit troll with your setup it shouldnt be an issue

People just look at stuff like subcreation and just go like "uh no"

Because of the tier ranking

[thorny pond]

Streamer x with a lower IO and plays exclusively fotm making rankings. Interesting

[unreal coyote]

sorta like people thinking a single target spec is bad on tyr week

XD

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-pubg-loading-sniper-reload-gif-15505006

[grim jay]

It is worse than just playing a dedicated M+ build if you play high keys except for maybe some weird setups

Trash doesnt just magically die just because it isnt fortified

[unreal coyote]

if you have good cleave otherwise-its actually pretty great in my experience

[grim jay]

Most pulls arent "cleave"

Especially on tyr

[spice spire]

Yw

[velvet bison]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[unreal coyote]

@grim jay thats fair and i suppose really high keys kb+ic will be better overall

[grim jay]

Actually

I'd say 20+ if your group isnt overgeared or you have some lunatics on meta classes

Is a fair point to play DTB M+ or KB/IC

Over any other build without dedicated AoE

Even if you really want to play ST

[unreal coyote]

looks like most high ranking sin players are in fact running kb+ic

[burnt latch]

What

[subtle tundra]

Ofc

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[weak isle]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[median beacon]

does anyone know

our bis belt

what u guys think

the 5 ilvl melandrus or the belt

[lament warren]

belt

(not serious advice)

[flint tusk]

there is this amazing thing

where you sim your gear

and it tells you with number

what to pick

[gusty mirage]

Tokens for sure

[median beacon]

6 tokens

got it

[gusty mirage]

[cerulean nest]

how good is Icon now with full party buffs?

compared to puzzle/grief

just got mythic version in vault

[thorn fjord]

Good luck on your boxes boiz

[shut owl]

you can sim it with various buff levels

[flint tusk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[gusty mirage]

Don’t spend that one socket in one place

[thorn fjord]

Straight to wrists

[gusty mirage]

But man, that’s a nice vault

421 signet

[median beacon]

no diurna ring

[naive sable]

Hmmm... replace RF tier gloves with Heroic or get the melandrus AD ring...

[gusty mirage]

I’m convinced the diurna ring is like the dagger from halls of valor

It doesn’t exist

And yes I know people have both

But if I pretend it’s all a lie

They don’t exist

[shut owl]

lol... wife just got it in all 3 of her alt's boxes

[thorn fjord]

No torch 😦

But i got tier gloves so i can make my cowl now

[gusty mirage]

Next you’ll tell me birds are real and aren’t government drones

[shut owl]

I mean... I got a socket on all my characters lol

[thorn fjord]

Thats supposed to be kept secret

[flint ridge]

Do i get weapon or ring? definitely ring right? with slot and avoidance kekw

[forest wing]

[gusty mirage]

Yeah easily, that ring at 408 > 411 dagger

[flint ridge]

obv with flaring cowl?

[thorny pond]

Did spiteful storm get updated in sims yet?

[gusty mirage]

Not even close

Yeah it’s cowl time

[lament warren]

pretty sure spiteful storm got like

slightly nerfed

[ancient peak]

Is storm eaters sim bait? I have a 415 puzzlebox

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[lament warren]

like they reverted some of the shit

[thorny pond]

thank fuck

[gusty mirage]

Take the box

[lament warren]

boon good

[thorn fjord]

For those of you who already crafted cowl... did you provide your own Fiery soul?

[gusty mirage]

Can get the boon from raid drop, can’t get a 421 box anywhere besides vault

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

When you do the extractor thing

Wait 15 minutes to open the soul

[lament warren]

true

[gusty mirage]

Don’t open it right away and have to get another

[lament warren]

plus looting a boon curses your bloodline

[ancient peak]

kk

[lament warren]

i'm pretty sure

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Having a hard time getting the stupid thing to kill the elemental lol

[dusty yacht]

must be provided by you (like the spark and primal chaos)

[gusty mirage]

Pro tip, kidney it at like 20% health

Channel and let dots kill it

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage morning

[gusty mirage]

Hello daps

[thorn fjord]

Gonna keep trying

[unreal coyote]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[ebon notch]

how you doin

[frozen iris]

What should we make with the 4th spark?

[ebon notch]

sim it

[ancient peak]

thanks

[gusty mirage]

Have had better days

[strange python]

Do I take 424 tier shoulders or 421 belt with crit haste leech...

[gusty mirage]

Tier shoulders

[strange python]

I have 411 and we'll have diurna this week

[gusty mirage]

Then I’d hold off tbh

Maybe end up with both

[ebon notch]

sorry brochacho

[strange python]

I'm thinking we'll be d/eing shoulders in a few weeks but I might not get another 421 belt

And crit haste is pretty pog

[gusty mirage]

Also true

[gusty mirage]

Thanks my dude

Hope all is well with you

[burnt latch]

catching up 4 hours late to the convo

but outlaw is not bad at breaking the shields

[cerulean nest]

yeah but grieftorch doesnt sim accurately if you count deaths

[ebon notch]

yessir

[burnt latch]

the reason why u'd want to play sub for the add shield early on has very little to do with the specs capability to burst the shields actually

[ebon notch]

what did your sub numbers look like

[polar matrix]

signet is our bis right

[lament warren]

[strange python]

Yep. Yuuge

[lament warren]

interesting

[burnt latch]

just two random pulls, theres a lot of variables

but the reason is definetly not burst

ull find out when u get there for yourself

[ebon notch]

was that with CB up?

that seems low for the target count no?

oh thats shield only

nvm

[burnt latch]

u guys were only talking about shields right?

[lament warren]

ya

i mean i guess apparently we were having 2 diff convos

[ebon notch]

i expanded it to talk more in general about the fight

[lament warren]

some guy came in

said

"should i run ct on raszageth (heroic)"

[ebon notch]

because we were talking about mythic

well i steered it to mythic

[lament warren]

i said "sounds like an outlaw angle"

[ebon notch]

but its w.e

[lament warren]

they turned it to mythic discussion

and i said that while playing outlaw is griefing in some cases

it can kill the fight

and that was what we disagreed on

[burnt latch]

well anyways, outlaw is definetly very good for that fight, so is sub, so is assa. theyre all good for different parts of the prog

[tough ferry]

Heyya folks, how good is the signet of melandrus

Got 421 in vault...

[gusty mirage]

warcieft I need a hug

[thorn fjord]

Thats pretty huge @tough ferry

[tough ferry]

100% take?

[gusty mirage]

yes

without a doubt

[burnt latch]

ill never back down from a hug

[thorn fjord]

Would you like a rusty trombone?

[gusty mirage]

[pseudo hamlet]

depends what else you've got

[tough ferry]

415 tier pants

[gusty mirage]

you take the ring

[tough ferry]

Nonset 418 shoulders

I think

[thorn fjord]

yeah that ring at 421 is bis for sin

[gusty mirage]

you take the ring

[tough ferry]

Ok ring it is

[gusty mirage]

you can drop tier pants in raid

can't drop a 421 signet

[pseudo hamlet]

What if his other option is 421 puzzle box? 😛

[gusty mirage]

you still take the ring

[thorn fjord]

Then you cry

and take the ring

[gusty mirage]

the ring is bis for all 3 specs

[tough ferry]

Oh i also got seal of filial duty

418

[gusty mirage]

the puzzle box is only bis for assassination

[pseudo hamlet]

Is that ring seriously that big gain? I thought the trinkets are more important than CoS ring

[tough ferry]

But thats just heroic

[lament warren]

idk if other rogue specs can

[thorn fjord]

PB is still simming huge gains for my OL in dslice too -_- @gusty mirage

[lament warren]

but outlaw can also survive p1 without assistance

because of blade rush/grapple

[gusty mirage]

of course

[tribal obsidian]

Man necks are so troll in vault just realized

[lament warren]

my guild was so far from raszageth before we died that i hadn't rly looked into it

[shut owl]

necks in vault are just half an ottuk

[thorn fjord]

Signet not so much... Wins out in ST OL but is pretty far behind Temple and Raid ring

But my signet is only 411

[gusty mirage]

now sim it at 421

[burnt latch]

not pressed blade rush once in p1

[lament warren]

ye

i just saw foreverguy talking abt it

[solemn marsh]

how valuable is leech?

[lament warren]

valuable sometimes

and other times not

[thorn fjord]

Not gonna tease myself wiht things i'll never see LOL

[kind jacinth]

which is BIS head for rogue ? flaring cowl ?

[thorn fjord]

Yee

[lament warren]

leech isn't worth ilvl

[solemn marsh]

Ah ok. So basically view leech as a nice bonus, but ilvl still trumps. got it ty!

[lament warren]

ya

[kind jacinth]

which is BIS head for rogue ? flaring cowl ?

guys

[ebon notch]

all 3 specs can

[lament warren]

pog

rogue op?

[pseudo hamlet]

yes

it's fantastic with Seal of Diurna's Chosen

[tough ferry]

O so only bc of ilv?

[brittle mortar]

my friends vault lmao, look at these trinkets

[jaunty gulch]

hey I'm new to the game and trying to assess the relative value of my vault theres 3 items that are all "Rare" but IDK which is best

there is a PVP Tier Pants, a 418 Crit Mastery Pants, and the Controlled Current Technique Heroic

I play pve and pvp equally

[pseudo hamlet]

You should've sim youself 😄

[jaunty gulch]

no I'm more saying

is the PVP Tier Piece more valuable than he PVE items

or is the heroic trinket more rare because you would have to fight 20 other people on roll

[tough ferry]

What the fuck

[jaunty gulch]

or is the 418 better

[tough ferry]

Whos he blowing

Lmao

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7yAHusDfi2YU4VYkEytW4o

[echo cargo]

Bruh

[tough ferry]

After ring good 2k increase ish

[echo cargo]

That vault

[jaunty gulch]

any thoughts between these 3 asusming I play pvp and pve equally

[tough ferry]

Depends what you need

Trink can be harder to get

[jaunty gulch]

I wanna take whichever is gonna be the rarest

I have puzzlebox 411 and Stormeatersboon 408

[tough ferry]

Set can be got from 3 raid difficulties

Depends what you have

[jaunty gulch]

kk one sec I will check the spreadsheet

IIRC I have the 2 best trinkets for AOE allready

[pseudo hamlet]

aren't PvP items just "fake" anyway? Like aren't PvP players getting the same stats no matter what gear they have?

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage so wait the 15 minutes for it to become docile and then open it or it'll open on its own?

[jaunty gulch]

Set bonus still applies in PVP and Ranking affect PVE item level so it becomes "servicable in PVE"

[limpid ermine]

Got ornamental claw from vault 🙏

[jaunty gulch]

For example I currently have 2 Set from

A 402 PVP Tier helmet, and a Normal Raid Chest piece

[pseudo hamlet]

But you can get the PvP items for the PvP currency, yeah?

[ebon notch]

open it after 15 mins

it transforms to a diff item

you're talking about the captured elemental souls right

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

Fiery soul

[languid moth]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png Lariat can proc ANY gem you have equipped, in any slot.

[tough ferry]

@thorn fjord is melandrus even bigger for outlaw?

And do abilities scale off this?

[echo heath]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[keen aurora]

Is it better to run the flat 88 crit, or the 70 mast 33 crit?

[thorn fjord]

at 421 it is from what most of the SB's are saying

[quasi ledge]

Was only Legion we had actual stat templates where it was only the iLvl that mattered. Now PvP gear just scales to the respective honor/conquest max while in PvP. Just means it has an iLvl, but you only need to upgrade it if you wanna use it in PvE

[weak horizon]

Do I take a normal 395 set piece or do i take a 418 leg/shoe knowing i can transfer later with the inspiration catalyst?

[sick aspen]

Do we swap back to nightly for sims or are we still using weekly?

[obsidian ridge]

is there a thing for log analysis around here somewhere? I'm missing like 8k from my sim dps on mythic terros which seems like a lot to me. Assassination is not maintained on wowanalyzer and I never really figured out how to compare logs etc

[shut owl]

use the log command and someone will prolly look at it for ya

[static glacier]

You missing out any cd uses? Perfect dot uptime? You covering DM with atleast one if not two shivs?

[shut owl]

not to mention your sim is never going to waste a gcd on something not-damage like feint

[static glacier]

Like you can hit sim dps on a good pull but everything kinda has to go right

Would be more concerned with making sure gameplay is correct, the dmg will come after

[shut owl]

I feel like needing to feint on cd is probably hampering some of my damage lol

[weary hedge]

Is getting 2 set stronger then taking a Heroic grieftorch from vault? simming says torch is better but wanna double check

[obsidian ridge]

I think I'm doing that. I simmed exactly 70k dps yesterday and I hit like 66k on my best pull @ around 6:30 bossfight. A lot of pulls I was only around 62k, sometimes even lower (that was when I actually messed something up though)
Not 100% sure I get 2 shivs into DM but it's at least 1 every time.

I mean in theory it's possible to hit 100% uptime on terros, no? thats why I was hoping I would hit somewhere close to sim dps consistently. :/ Might just be practice

[proper tapir]

Wait until you clear for the week, maybe you'll get 4 set or grief in raid

[weary hedge]

ya thats what i was thinking about doing lmao ty

[weak horizon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

DUUUDE

wtf flavor pocket is at 190k LMAO

[lament warren]

i bought it at 30k

[teal bloom]

90k on eu servers atm

[static glacier]

outside of that perhaps try and maximise thistle tea usage under shiv outside of dm

and if possible line up shiv with ER

these are all small potential gains

[obsidian ridge]

I guess I'll look to use tea and shiv with other cds. shouldnt be too hard to get 2 shivs into every DM and line up a shiv with ER etc etc. I don't think I did that too well. Thanks.

[spice spire]

Responded to the wrong message fully

[shut owl]

I'll sell you one for 210

[thorn fjord]

Man im crying over here

Just made my cowl 😦

[lament warren]

wish shiv was 30s cd

[spice spire]

Y

[lament warren]

kingsbane

[jaunty gulch]

how do I sim from my vaul

vault**

If I wanted to sim 408 Trinket VS 418 Pants

[spice spire]

You open your vault

/simc

Chuckle

[jaunty gulch]

Oh while the vault is open I see

[spice spire]

Yep

[thorn fjord]

Chuckle or cry really

[jaunty gulch]

I've never played WoW before first expansion

ty

[thorn fjord]

Vault doesnt have to open you just need to see whats in it first

[spice spire]

This week is a cryer I’m feeling it

Last week was definitely too good

[lament warren]

i got sockies

[thorn fjord]

i didnt really have anything amazing but it had 415 tier gloves which i wanted so I'm ok with that

[spice spire]

Took the step down option

[thorn fjord]

Made my cowl but the flavor pocket is holding everything up

[spice spire]

415 Signet of melandrus

But it had a socket

[thorn fjord]

Nice thats chillen tbh

[tranquil dust]

guys new to playing sin again, what time should i reapply rupture/garrote?

with how many seconds left that is

[spice spire]

Oh 30% of duration

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[thorn fjord]

about 8 sec rup 5 sec gar

[tranquil dust]

got it ty vm

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

175k now... looks like theyre dropping

gotta keep an eye on AH all damn day for this... annoying lol

[jaunty gulch]

has anyone played with the controlled current technique trinket can explain "grounded"

when it says I will be "Grounded"

is that like I'm gonna be unable to move like the Air elemental thing

[trail tree]

no

it just means that once the trinket has procced, it goes on cooldown for 60 seconds

[jaunty gulch]

Ohhh I see I see tyty

[oblique tangle]

BLESS

[trail tree]

[chilly viper]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[oblique tangle]

Makes up for 2 weeks of 0 gear

[trail tree]

im prayging for it tomorrow

[oblique tangle]

As payment for my good luck on my Rogue

my Priest received two necklaces.

That bridge is looking mighty fun to jump off rn tbh

[gloomy scroll]

Heh, vault can be maddening.

[crisp cipher]

Should I go ahead and upgrade puzzle box to max or nah?

[sonic spindle]

Is there a way to tell if a garrote is empowered or not?

[devout glen]

!bis

[hollow river]

check out the spreadsheet

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hollow river]

and the pins

[devout glen]

oh ty

i was trying to look for trinkets cuz im debating on takign the mythic whispering incarnate

[gloomy scroll]

Sim it vs. your other options.

[sonic spindle]

When in doubt, sim it out

[gloomy scroll]

Chasing true BiS is pretty nuts this tier with the rare drops. The best combo is Puzzle Box and Grieftorch on a pure ST. Getting into cleave, 4 target etc. amps up current technique's value though. Just something to consider.

Longer way of saying: Sim it

[true rapids]

never get good stuff in my vault, gotta take a crit/haste ring

[polar gull]

would yall go 421 incarn or the 411 grief?? sim says incarn by 252...feel like thats pretty close and grief is BiS

[fading wigeon]

getting a fiery soul is one of the stupidest things they've added to the game, so convoluted

[fallen charm]

So is it better to craft a ring to put the 3 sockets in or farm the court of stars one?

[trail tree]

because im omega lazy id go for incarn

[strange python]

Grief is better but probably easier to get

[gloomy scroll]

Whispering icon is still good depending on your raid. If you're getting max value from icon then go for it, otherwise sim accordingly

ie don't sim it having earth/fire buff if you don't really have those

[polar gull]

we've only had 1 incarn drop so far went toa healer, so i sim DPS + Healer right?

[mossy flicker]

I'm wondering guys, how good is DTB m+ build compared to IC/exs ?

Whispyr's sims are only for st

[trail tree]

im running dtb m+ this week and it feels nice

but i think most people would say IC/KB over dtb

[winter gale]

Will SS save me from falling on Sennarth?

[gloomy scroll]

Yep.

[odd heath]

Yes

[sturdy light]

the new talents look worse no?

[mossy flicker]

@trail tree DTB feels so much fun compared to IC/KB

[odd heath]

You land in front of her current position

[mossy flicker]

I enjoy poison bomb so much (legion vibes <3)

[sonic spindle]

I actually think IC feels super rewarding

[polar gull]

incarn only wins by 14 in that scenario...think im going grief

[sturdy light]

IC is kinda too strong not to take in higher keys

[polar gull]

puzzle + grief

[sturdy light]

aoe silence and dmg reduc

on a pull which you can get anytime with vanish

[mossy flicker]

ye true IC feels so strong

[gloomy scroll]

Puzzle + grief is good. Grief can increase in value too depending on if people die, so there's that too. I'd probably do the same.

[sturdy light]

is kinda the only reason to take assassination in M+

[gloomy scroll]

If healer swapped the incarn trinket it'd be worse. I hate depending on others having gear on lol

[polar gull]

yeah lol geez what a good problem to have vault wise tho lol

now its on to my cowl or dagger debate for the spark

[mossy flicker]

@sturdy light I see what you mean, thank you for answering my question

[sturdy light]

yeee is really good like really really good

with new talents we wont have kingsbane anymore though so idk how tree wil llook since shiv becomes very strong

subject to change though since ptr

[mossy flicker]

wdym new talents ? is it going to change soon ?

[sonic spindle]

I saw bajeera complaining about an AOE shiv

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cXLm2Xf2cfkicnhwcA4H2o We've joined the 70k club a belt from vault!

[subtle tundra]

wtf how do you sim that much

your gear is awful

[lament warren]

sin kinda pipes in keys

not gonna lie

[subtle tundra]

you have 1 crafted item, low ilvl

[lament warren]

tier grieftorch puzzlebox

x)

411 wep

[subtle tundra]

as if 411 is high

[polar matrix]

do the top gear gem sims account for different lariat buffs?

[subtle tundra]

he can get 418

he can get 1 more embellishment

3 more 418 items

[lament warren]

its not awful

???

[royal lantern]

dude, you talk with varas

[lament warren]

true

[subtle tundra]

he can literally get 418

[lament warren]

u asked how does he sim so high

i answered!

[distant mesa]

Trying to recraft my 392 weapon with a Concentrated Primal Infusion . but I need 3 more 16+'s

[sturdy light]

random question but does the snow set effect count as an embellishment?

[royal lantern]

yes ofc?

[distant mesa]

to Crit/Mast with the other Embellish that is better

[royal lantern]

litearlly says unique equipped embellished in the item

[lament warren]

no it doesnt

[sturdy light]

ah yup im fried lmao

[lament warren]

it does not say that in the crafting menu

kekw

only after u craft the item

[distant mesa]

Also how is my gear awful? I also have the AA ring from CoS

[lament warren]

that thing is not that good

it does say that

wtf

im the one who'sfried

i'm sorry tyran

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/frying-chicken-food52-cooking-yummy-fried-chicken-gif-19592595

[lament warren]

me irl

[gloomy scroll]

Why do I hate this so much

[north basin]

what do we craft tomorrow? if head neck and dagger already crafted?

[royal lantern]

cus its like, 20liters of oil and fat

[gloomy scroll]

Good lawd

[royal lantern]

grab the fire dmg head

[lament warren]

head already crafted

kekw

[royal lantern]

or start filling bad slots like wrist/belts, idk

or, ion forgive me for saying those words, make an outlaw weapon

[distant mesa]

Varas, what would you change if its awful? I just pump! outside of the dagger

[north basin]

i aim toward bis. dont care about bad slots ) i have all bad slots

[royal lantern]

thats a bad attitude 🙂

like, really bad 🙂

[north basin]

whats bis after head neck dagger?

i know. its just how i feel playing it)

[subtle tundra]

i meant as in ilvl

[north basin]

iam not in rush so i wanna do bis items at start

[subtle tundra]

he has low ilvl

-.-

[distant mesa]

oh,

400 is low ilvl?

[north basin]

so whats going after head neck dagger?

[upbeat needle]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sonic spindle]

Damn why we out here gear shaming

[formal cliff]

Should I recraft neck or weapon to 405 first?

[static glacier]

wep

[distant mesa]

cause my weap is ass

[lament warren]

i only sim 73k

[royal lantern]

just drop better items

lmao

[lament copper]

does 4p get simmed , trying to see if 389 -> 418 vault delvers loonz is better than manic 411

[static glacier]

done like 30 Cos for ring, did a single cos on SV hunt alt and got it. why blizz

[royal lantern]

got a cos ring, upgraded it to 415 for all my valor, dropped a cos ring with socket

[cloud moat]

Yes

[lament copper]

im crying

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[static glacier]

you can cope yourself into not picking grieftorch since it's not great in aoe

[lament warren]

my smi would go up giga

if i used cheater sims

rank 3 sophic

but i'm broke

[static glacier]

can't afford sophic rip.

[lament copper]

u_u i should cope but at the same time

iono im braindead to be fair

[viscid spear]

USA about to invade your kitchen.

[nocturne sorrel]

Do I go for the 398 Wrist (up from 385), or the BIS 389 Chest Set piece (up from 376)?

[lament warren]

sim it

but its chest btw

[nocturne sorrel]

That's what I figured, but wanted to make sure. Thank you.

[lament warren]

np

[real sphinx]

hey guys if we mainly play ass in raids would sub be the better os since they share same stat prio? or is outlaw just that much better

[tribal obsidian]

Id go sub

[shell kraken]

Do we know when Spiteful Storm gets buffed? 10.0.5 or earlier?

[limber lion]

Already did

Still bad

[thorn fjord]

Crafted boots count towards embellishment?

Trying to figure out my fourth craft

[chilly viper]

can grieftorch proc the ring

[limber lion]

yes

[pearl glen]

are u sure? i tried it for like 15 mins. 0 procs.

[chilly viper]

Was asking but aight

[limber lion]

Huh

Why wouldn't it proc it

That's odd

[chilly viper]

says fire dmg right

[pearl glen]

idk thats what i thought.

[chilly viper]

got 424 helm from vault, don't think cowl is worth for me yet

[pearl glen]

only source of fire dmg is Flaring Cowl and i tried it with another helmet and spammed Torch 5-6 times. 0 Ring procs. maybe unlucky idk

[royal lantern]

i mean, if you have cowl

[thorn fjord]

Try taking it off and putting it back on.

[royal lantern]

it probs triggered it

cus ppm and stuff

[thorn fjord]

So no info on crafted boots? Pretty sure they count towards the two spots

Think I’ll just be safe crafting another weapon as my fourth craft but not completely sure

[royal lantern]

does the item have an special effect? if yes, its a embelishment

[timber basalt]

both the toxic boots are embellishments

[prisma carbon]

Was gonna make cowl, but now idk

[pearl glen]

i got another question. how much dps loss is it to use Puzzlebox prepull. Super unflowy mid opener to use it. idk

[royal lantern]

bad

[pearl glen]

fk

[upper shuttle]

BUFF THE EMBELLISHMENT CAP TO 3 BLIZZ ITS TIME

I WANT STINKY POISON BOOTS

[royal lantern]

you lost over 50%of its duration when you start doing dmg

[light goblet]

how do you get fiery soul?

[royal lantern]

google

like, yeha, faster then explaining here

[thorn fjord]

@royal lantern what you crafting as your fourth?

[cerulean nest]

mythic icon babyy

[royal lantern]

idk

probs belt or wrist

my worst slots

[chilly viper]

I hope you get a 421 puzzle next week

[thorn fjord]

My OH dagger is still 402 😑

[pulsar relic]

can you equip 2 primal molten short blades at 1 time?

[oblique jackal]

i got 4 set

10k dps increase

[cerulean nest]

dont threaten me with a good time

[timber basalt]

yes

[chilly viper]

🍻 grats though

[pulsar relic]

the crafted ones?

[timber basalt]

what other ones are there

[royal lantern]

the int daggers

[lament warren]

explosive shot also does not proc the ring

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

game sucks

[timber basalt]

ye true ig

[cerulean nest]

can someone walk me through proper puzzle usage on H raz? always holding to line up with DM or is fight length better for just sending on CD

[shell kraken]

:/ 411 SS worse then 376 puzzle bad?
Got the impression not to trust sims with SS…

[oak sky]

Primal molten spellblade

[limber lion]

Huh?

Both Seal's are bis for hunters and they don't play any fire damage thingies

[stable apex]

I think looking at logs with puzzle users or simming 8-12 min fights and looking at what APL does might be your best options

[thorn fjord]

Or check lorgz

[cerulean nest]

does lorrgs look at trinkets too?

[lament warren]

they play rockets

to proc it

a weapon oil

explosive shot does not proc the ring

[royal lantern]

now im smart enough to not stand in fire, thanks

[thorn fjord]

You can set it to yeah

[cerulean nest]

damn everyone holds DM huh

for so long

[thorn fjord]

You’re looking at raz?

[limber lion]

where's our rockets

[cerulean nest]

yeah

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I’d assume that most people are holding DM for first shield

I have DM the entire time we’re on the platform but hold@

[lament warren]

i mean

technically

if you sim with rockets

it DOES work

so

[thorn fjord]

I’ll send er and kb tho

[lament warren]

👀

[cerulean nest]

I guess thats the move

[feral mason]

what is the preferred phial for assa rogue? elemental chaos?

[balmy condor]

Vers

[cerulean nest]

so seems like pull, first shield, then kinda on CD till the end

[thorn fjord]

Yeah after first platform it’s back to your regularly scheduled programming

Er second

[oblique jackal]

is there a 4 set build?

im looking but i cant find anything

[thorn fjord]

Bleed build there’s a ton of different variations

Pins

[oblique jackal]

the pins dont have it anymore

[thorn fjord]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[midnight stirrup]

Hey guys, just joined the disc. Pretty new to rogue. I was wondering which proffesions are recommended if I'm aiming for mythic dung and raiding?

[oblique jackal]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[deft vault]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[winter gale]

On razsageth, do I use cds on 1st add in p2 or I keep em for when I come back to razsageth?

[thorn fjord]

Save dm send er Kb they should both be up when you get back to raz

Also depends how fast you guys are killing the adds

[winter gale]

( And do I keep cds for shields or?

[thorn fjord]

Might hold KB too

[open marlin]

mining/herbalism is the easiest way to make money... alchemy has some nice benefits like the longer phials, can save you a buck... enchanting to DE all the purple gear you get to drop in M+... but there's no real power locked behind having the professions, it's all just quality of life stuff

[winter gale]

If I use it on 1st add its a bit too late for 1st shield*

[midnight stirrup]

So it won't make a difference if I don't pick leatherworking in order to craft gear? Just better to pick gathering proffesions? Thanks for your reply!

[open marlin]

correct, you can order anything a LW'er can make and have it... so like Flaring Cowl is really good, but you can have someone else make it for you even though it's soulbound

[midnight stirrup]

Thanks mate, will follow your advice

For now everything is a bit overwhelming

[thorn fjord]

Really depends on how fast your group is killing adds

I’m able to get ER off on first big add then KB second and by the time the fourth one dies with all it’s adds they’re both up when hopping back over

[pseudo hamlet]

also keep in mind it's good to keep the 2 stacks of Shiv for KB only

[main solar]

Are sims still busted? I just simmed my vault (on weekly version too) and it's claiming 411 tier shoulders are a 0.2% downgrade from the 398 tier shoulders i'm currently wearing...

[pallid bough]

421 puzzle box

[kindred heron]

Link sim

@main solar

[gleaming geyser]

hacks

[cursive smelt]

the new talent that will pass on kriss to the other targets suddenly we can disenrage mass? for the 10.05

[main solar]

Fixed it by turning off "Replace Existing Gems/Enchants", though logically it still doesn't make any sense.
Replace on: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qi2yKy25PYFpsEqCHWPkKg
Replace off: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s8qvgUC6ZabsnJHeBK1GmD

[chilly viper]

Let's say I wanna parse and a fight last 3:30

Should I sit on puzzle and exsa for 2nd dm by the end of the fight

[fleet imp]

Yes

You want to hold last cast for execute phase

And align if among em all its the last of all 3 dm dx trink and kb

Else you send

[chilly viper]

Roger

ty

[fleet imp]

Dont hold if you would end up losing a cast

[chilly viper]

Right

[stray mural]

Got the 408 diurna ring from the vault and crafted a 405 cowl. Gaming

[vestal wren]

stats are not flat "you need this and that" but it can be that investing slightly in a other stat is good

this is also why the "we don't like haste at all" did not age well

[chilly viper]

its probably min max at this point but pot during execute phase too?

[cursive smelt]

@vestal wren the new talent that will pass on kriss to the other targets suddenly we can disenrage of mass? for the 10.05

[fleet imp]

If bl during execute yes

[vestal wren]

given that profiles with Puzzle box now have both haste and mastery on about the same amount of stats

[chilly viper]

Its not

[vestal wren]

new talents might need more optimization

also maybe we see more changes/tuning before 10.0.5

so hard to predict a trend

[fading wigeon]

wow even with the heroic version, its a free 2.7 percent damage

so happy I got the ring today

[vestal wren]

cowl is rly good

[fading wigeon]

insane

[fleet imp]

If I get hc ring Imma kms 😂

[fading wigeon]

why

its really good

dont kill yourself

[fleet imp]

Need value from those 421 m+

[fading wigeon]

oh lol

it outsims 421 rings for me lol

[vestal wren]

i got the ring last week in vault

it does not seem to be a rare drop in the chest

[raven egret]

im pretty sure the "rare" drops are normal chance from vault

from what i heard

[vestal wren]

we had quite a lot of ppl get the ring

so it seems fairly common

but it could be my personal perspection bias, given that the sample size is fairly low for me

[fleet imp]

I full sent cowl even tho I miss ring

[vestal wren]

cowl without ring is still good

[fleet imp]

Emb is almost par with weapon on st and outperform in aoe

[vestal wren]

ring just makes it bis

[brazen zodiac]

did someone say flaring cowl

[fleet imp]

Plus value from ilvl head piece

[brazen zodiac]

[fleet imp]

I lose around 0.1 0.2 on pure st

[thorn fjord]

I enjoy watching JPC stream but man his music taste is awful

[fleet imp]

Emb wise

[naive lagoon]

how can i find whispyr's spreadsheet for embellishments again? does anyone have it?

[limber lion]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[fleet imp]

Mans the best for pushing keys

[naive lagoon]

noice! thanks

[thorn fjord]

Literally have to mute it Everytime because the bleeps and the bloops get on my nerve after a while

[spice spire]

Ok boomer

[fleet imp]

^

Mans dying this slow 100yo already

[thorn fjord]

As a trained musician I have never been able to be ok with any style of EDM

[fleet imp]

Dark techno is free 10% extra dps in key and 30% extra cc and kicks

[thorn fjord]

Which isn’t Miami Bass Freestyle

[fleet imp]

I am gonna die on this hill

[thorn fjord]

Miami bass is the funk and I guess you can consider it edm

[spice spire]

Gonna call this what it is, mister dieslow

Skill issue

[thorn fjord]

Damn true let me que up this 2 hour long boots and hats mix

[fleet imp]

You gotta pick play OL with dark techno or slack

There is no half way

The spec matches the music

[toxic burrow]

I'd rather listen to the legend of Puss 'n Boots.

[thorn fjord]

Guildy of mine worked on all the puss n boots movies actually

[spice spire]

Bio checks out

[naive lagoon]

are primal molten daggers still good without embellishments?

[thorn fjord]

Doing GFX design

[spice spire]

They’re high ilvl daggers so they’re not bad

418 with no embellishment isn’t bad

[naive lagoon]

ive been farming daggers in HOV but no luck

oh, i meant 405 lol

[toxic burrow]

That's awesome! I hadn't watched them until a friend invited me to see the recent one last week, and have since taken interest. Tell your guildie some random asshole loves him!

[boreal valley]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lament warren]

i'm a middle school trained musician and i think edm owns

[coarse bear]

Is even lfr eranog ring bis if I have flaring cowl?

[viscid spear]

Our condolences

[lament warren]

what heck

[vapid sierra]

do you guys take fang or bronze

[lament warren]

neither

i'm a cowl boots lariat believer

[eager sorrel]

Bronze but swapping to flaring when eranog gifts his ring

[vapid sierra]

is flaring a craft?

i play outlaw, already got lariat

[thorn fjord]

yee

[oak sky]

You would have to sim it

[coarse bear]

If I’m a fresh reroll would you guys recommend going lariat, sword, dagger, flaring cowl? Or wait to raid this week to see what tier looks like and potentially go double dagger instead of the flaring and do bronzed grip wrappings? I plan on playing all specs for raid but I have no gear right now pretty much

[thorn fjord]

Prob say make lariat first

[somber fractal]

Is the FAQ up to date? The Flaring Cowl is doing way more single target damage than the fang adornment even without the ring

[peak basin]

Not sure if this is the place to ask, but does anyone have suggestion on whether to grab pants or chest for vault? It says heroic pants sim higher, but I feel like 415 M+ tier chest is better long-term.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hy5EyEeAjKBPitbjzF6EyR

[fleet imp]

Is that your 4p?

[frigid pilot]

if i want to not have to change gems for m+ outlaw and sin raid

[fleet imp]

Or you have it anyway

[peak basin]

I already have 4pc, and picking up either will keep my 4pc. Only thing that changes is ilvl

[frigid pilot]

do i just use crit/mastery?

instead of hastecrit?

[fleet imp]

Send the highest ilvl than

[peak basin]

Thanks, so keep the chest. Is the idea to grab highest ilvl once you reach 4pc? (My 4pc consists of LFR, normal, and heroic pieces).

[limber lion]

I would honestly probably take the shoulders

So you can get rid of the helm and get a Flaring Cowl at 418 instead

[peak basin]

I thought you need ring for flaring cowl to be worth it. Is that wrong?

[limber lion]

Flaring Cowl as an item itself is very much worth it, even without the ring

[somber fractal]

its better than weapon embellishments even without the ring from what i have seen

[limber lion]

Especially since you're replacing your VERY vers heavy LFR helm with Flaring Cowl which is Haste/Mastery which are good

[fleet imp]

On pure st cowl is 0.1 0.2 behind

So can arguably say its even

[somber fractal]

not from what i have seen in fights

[peak basin]

I mostly play M+ if that's a consideration.

[limber lion]

[fleet imp]

Than cowl for sure and grab shoulder good call from mr cev

[strange python]

Pure ST cowl is also -600 for me, but I have a socket on helm.

[peak basin]

@limber lion , should I be concerned it's a PvP piece? I don't PvP much so I won't me able to upgrade it cuz I suck.

[limber lion]

No, you can just upgrade to the raid tier pieces later

[strange python]

Dropping fang for it, of course

[fleet imp]

Cowl increases value the more the targets you are fighting with

[limber lion]

Catalyst opening up later on

[peak basin]

Any clue when catalyst opens up? I tried searching didn't see result on ETA.

[strange python]

23rd

[fleet imp]

Ye my sims cowl only*

[strange python]

6 weeks after tier

[fading wigeon]

Should be next week

Oh 23rd nevermind

[peak basin]

Okay. Thanks everyone here for helping me decide on grabbing shoulders and crafting flaring cowl. Much appreciated!

[vapid sierra]

wait so if i cant go with flaring because i dont have ring, and i already have lariat, what embel do i put on my weapon?

bronze?

[limber lion]

Fang

[vapid sierra]

fang > bronze?

[fleet imp]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorn fjord]

Damn our guild quartermaster (basically the dude that has all the crafting and makes wow is full time job) Just gave me a flavor pocket

[peak basin]

Does flaring cowl count as embellishment? Currently have fang ardorments + lariat and I think 2 is max.

[fleet imp]

Yes it does

I removed weapon for it

[peak basin]

Thanks @fleet imp .

[fleet imp]

Just recraft it with the powder thingy

[solemn marsh]

50k commission worth it for lariat (405) if I have same ilvl neck? (it would be a large portion of my current g)

• like another 25k-30kish for mats

[peak basin]

I paid 5k commission for my lariat on Sargeras @solemn marsh , that seems high.

[strange trail]

on my server lariat 418 is 10k

[solemn marsh]

yeah Uther/Runetotem is a very low pop server

there's 1 person who can do 405 afaik

[eternal vortex]

huh i legit ask 40k for a 418 weapon tho when i make weapons

my 418 lariat was crafted for 20k too

[solemn marsh]

Yeah 50k + mats seems pretty ridiculous. I know you have to reward crafters for putting the time/mats in to rank it up, but like 80k for a neck seems nuts

[toxic burrow]

Shadowlands legendary crafting flashbacks.

[eternal vortex]

i mean im on a high pop realm so i guess its a given

but ppl dont rly try to bargain the price or anything

they just straight up pay me

lol

i think im gonna make another million this reset as its a spark week

[royal lantern]

what

people on kazzak just go to the next crafter if you go above 8k lol

[eternal vortex]

lmao

i made about 1.3m gold last week

with like 2.5 day advertising

dunno twisting nether is ridiculous

[brazen zodiac]

i didnt pay shit LMAO

[vocal gazelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[brazen zodiac]

thats how they get ya "tip however much u want <3"

how do i not naturally tip 20k when someone says that

[brazen zodiac]

how high are the mireslush for u?

[indigo epoch]

I paid 5k for 405 yesterday (my mats)

[undone whale]

Keep being told differently and would like a clear answer. Does the flaring cowl's embell indeed proc Diurnas ring?

[void pecan]

Yes

[solemn marsh]

r3 is like 875 each

[solemn marsh]

yeah think I'm just going to have to pass.

[burnt latch]

your guilds demon hunters i assume

[odd bridge]

Good afternoon everyone, fellow wow lover here. Just joined. Excited about what I'm gonna learn from you all. Question. Improved garrote... it says it's active 3 sec after stealth but what I'm wondering is it still an improved garrote when you are in stealth also?

[cloud moat]

Anybody got tips on how to setup Plater so it always shows garrote, rupture and ct as the first debuffs

Bonus points if there's a way to make them larger than the other debuffs

[odd bridge]

I second this, that's smart

[cloud moat]

ofc

https://i.gyazo.com/347cfcb2b743b011b42650651d2f7aea.png

[undone whale]

Thank you guys for the answer

[cloud moat]

It literally says so on the tooltip

[odd bridge]

Thx my elvui debuff aura bars aren't showing it for some reason

[peak basin]

And welcome @odd bridge -- I'm also kinda new here and have learned a lot.

[limber lion]

Yes, my plater does that. You can yoink it from there

[burnt latch]

cev sells his plater for feet pics tho

be wary

[wind dune]

is there a way to sim a headpiece as if it were a tier piece. Just checking if its worth saving for catalyst, its either the 421 helm with good stats or the 411 ras helm i already have but with leech

[odd bridge]

Thanks bagel

[cloud moat]

Do I have to accept his or does he want to see my forest troll toes

[odd bridge]

Man I'd love to see what abilities yall have keybinded to what . I know it's mostly personal preference but from someone who used to use just 1-10 , it's a game changer.

[cloud moat]

I'd recommend finding a better bind for FoK and CT lul
https://i.gyazo.com/63e15ca8e2adc7c913bc60c56ef57128.png

[odd bridge]

Wow thank you big time

I like that r rupture shift r deathmark

[cloud moat]

Also if you just started playing rogue, really REALLY recommend putting something else on 1 and 5

[eternal vortex]

mine is something like this

[odd bridge]

You guys rock

Curious you don't be slicing and dicing ? Lol

[cloud moat]

You use it once and upkeep it with Envenom

https://i.gyazo.com/b1ba3d8ab80b0f2822e35f9d9c9847df.png

[odd bridge]

Been trying that seems like by time i get to next mob with my party its gone lol

[cloud moat]

Then just use it once again

[peak basin]

@odd bridge if it's M+, I sometimes have to refresh if we're waiting on rez or drinks; otherwise pull pacing will keep it up with envenom.

[lament warren]

1 mut
2 garr
3 rup
4 env
5 fok
6 poison throw thing
shift-2 racial
shift-3 gouge (gouge is 3 on outlaw)
shift-4 trinket
shift-5 crimson tempest
shift-6 shiv
shift-a slice and dice
r shiv
shift r echoing
t deathmark
shift-t kingsbane
ctrl-t exsang
d serrated bone spike
shift-d carnage

[peak basin]

'Fiery Soul' is required for Flaring Cowl, but WoWhead says I have to be engineer to get it. Does that mean I have to be engineer to get Flaring Cowl?

[cloud moat]

No

[peak basin]

Oh whoops, connected the dots. I can just buy Zapthrottle Soul Inhaler and use it huh?

[cloud moat]

Yeah, you also need the Empty Soul Cage

afaik

[keen spruce]

QWE shift+QWE main rotational abilities
1234 shift+1234 cooldowns trinkets
asd movement
zxcv shift+zxcv defensives and movement cds
R stun
F kick
G step/dash/blink

And a few exceptions in there xpac to xpac cuz i don't wanna remap everything

@odd bridge

[royal lantern]

/ abilityname

keybinds are cringe

im a typing god

[slim hamlet]

Don't know who made this but it's lovely

[keen spruce]

relatable

[slim hamlet]

I am still a puzzle box enjoyer

[keen spruce]

guzzle gang

[trim dirge]

i feel like its really not that bad

[slim hamlet]

I need a way to get its icon instead of kir

[slim hamlet]

If you have both it is

fuck that

or even just another normal active

[trim dirge]

true

[keen spruce]

I wish they would just make puzzle box and grieftorch channel while you move

and I wouldn't mind them

[trim dirge]

double active is always cancer tho

[keen spruce]

or let you like... double tap puzzle box to quick cast it for a reduced buff

[frigid pilot]

Where’s the new write up on exsang usage?

[balmy condor]

What’s the new exsang usage

[ebon notch]

exsang deez nuts haha gottem

[frigid pilot]

Since the nerfs, just says on cd with echoing but it’s 3 mins so I guess every 4th

[balmy condor]

Yeah

You play it the same

Usually people hold for Deathmark though

[frigid pilot]

Exsang before death mark?

Like right before I mean

[balmy condor]

Ye

[unreal epoch]

As fights get shorter bc gear etc, does KB gain more value bc of 1min bursts?

[balmy condor]

Not necessarily

[keen spruce]

my flaring cowl gets to rot in my bags until I can canvas my guild for an eggnog ring and tier shoulders

[frigid pilot]

We never delay 2nd death mark to sync with puzzle unless boss dies before 3rd right?

[balmy condor]

You would

[frigid pilot]

Fuck

I’ve been using dm on cd and just wasting 1 min of puzzle

[peak basin]

Wait really? I thought we always use DM+vanish on 2mins, and let the puzzle wait an extra 1 min to line up.

[proper tapir]

Yeah ^^^

[ebon notch]

if its the last cast of the fight

you sync up everything

for maximum value

because otherwise you are wasting parts

i.e. if the fight will end at 3:30

you will delay your second death mark to 3 mins

to line up your puzzle with your exsang with your DM

because the boss is gonna die and this is the maximum amount of damage you are going to be able to do

[frigid pilot]

Raz though

Giga long fights

Are we dming on cd

Or puzzling on cd

[spice spire]

Probably both?

Depends on your kill timers for final cast

[frigid pilot]

I hate 3 min trinkets

[gray horizon]

ok maybe im dumb but how tf do i sim a crafted item with specific stats if i dont have it? i know the strings to add for the item itself, but not for the specific stats

[frigid pilot]

Fuck puzzle

[ebon notch]

you are only ever CDing on boss

[proper tapir]

Ohhhh I feel you, just line up last casts. Yeah.

[ebon notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/839916861198172220/1061478279627948102/image.png

[lament warren]

you hold puzzle

deathmark has value without puzzle

puzzle has no value without deathmark

[spice spire]

Vendetta so true

[lament warren]

it’s similar to combustion

[spice spire]

Puzzle has value without just less

[lament warren]

yeah it’s just hyperbole to get the general theory across

[ebon notch]

these timings are for mythic btw, but they also hold true for heroic

[spice spire]

Wind 4, vendetta

Lemme hit up sl for that one real quick

[ebon notch]

winds rly bad bro

on god

i ate a curry last night

[spice spire]

He hasn’t caught the sauce yet

[lament warren]

i hate deathmark

i hate that i use it before kb but after exsang

😠

[spice spire]

I hate using my brain too (not a joke!)

[lament warren]

correct

[thorn fjord]

thai or indian?

[spice spire]

I just want to press buttons when buttons available

[lament warren]

i’ll hate it less when it’s muscle memory

[thorn fjord]

i want to bind Env to every key and just smash my face on my keyboard during pull

[ebon notch]

no that was her name bro

[ebon notch]

play outlaw

[spice spire]

[lament warren]

i think this is the best emote ever made

by far

[trail tree]

[lament warren]

it’s been months and it still makes me laugh

[thorn fjord]

[gray horizon]

[frigid pilot]

so if we never get 421 puzzle

whats bis instead

[lament warren]

415 puzzle

[frigid pilot]

damn it

[toxic burrow]

Sad. Finally got home and my rogue's vault was absolute ass. : ( My healer alt has to choose between two piece of M+ tier though. Booo.

[frigid pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/dammit-damn-damn-it-ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-gif-19792726

[thorn fjord]

My face when women other than my BM show interest in me

[ebon notch]

@spice spire why u not hanging out with me on stream

im in thunder chicken prison

help

[spice spire]

I can’t watch anything rn or I would be

[ebon notch]

oh no are you in prison too

tax evasion a bitch

[spice spire]

Nah, In office

People still here for another hour-hour and a half

[thorn fjord]

Same thing

[spice spire]

Preach

No windows in this mf

Time is nonexistent

[thorn fjord]

Rough

Atleast they don’t have you in a cage

[spice spire]

Close enough man

[cerulean nest]

at what point does a grieftorch beat out a mythic icon

I know it depends on deaths

but a safe bet

heroic version?

[thorn fjord]

You can do a gear compare to see

[dire lodge]

anyone played with improved garrote nerf yet

[brazen zodiac]

in pvp?

[cerulean nest]

so on paper only a mythic grieftorch would beat a mythic icon, but thats obviously not accurate in practice

on ST

[peak basin]

!whispyr