assassination

[lament warren]

next time i run keys w 3k io friends i will tell them to just get better

don’t know how to tell you that even when i’m playing with some of the best players in na sanguine still fucks us

no amount of getting good makes 5 human beings perfect machines

[shut owl]

wait, you mean you dont have a cyberware chip installed in your head?

[lament warren]

unfortunately not

raid only players will have you believe those are reserved for the ranged dps

[jolly niche]

is it worth to use Serrated Bone Spike to gerate combo in single ?

[balmy condor]

yep

[jolly niche]

ok ty ^^

[nocturne current]

Hahahaha what is this

[lament warren]

no shot the “just run elusiveness in nokhud” and “i leave groups when anyone dies to anything avoidable” guy is coming to clown

[trim zinc]

LMAO

[nocturne current]

Nightstalker -> Get 6 combo points -> Deathmark -> Shiv -> Vanish -> Puzzle Box -> Tea -> Cold Blood -> Envenom .. for 100k in PVP in one hit

[oak sky]

I had a key rat leave group before the key started after asking the tank if he was gonna full pull the first dock in cos

[trim zinc]

nightstalker?

[oak sky]

The tank pulled completely normal, poor guy missed out on a free conc focus

Like he full pulled the first dock

All key rats are the same

[lament warren]

pugging is an interesting experience

[worn path]

Idek what to spend them on at this point… not enough sparks in the world

[lament warren]

one thing about cos is that pug dps have this magical ability to conjure mobs that i’m sure did not exist previously

[oak sky]

Yeah idk its weird

[lament warren]

i’ve been tanking and then constructs show up that i guarantee a gm spawned in man

and the sickest part about that is that when the key is low enough and no one kicks

[nocturne current]

Put someone 30% HP in arena and it gets executed to 0 in one hit, it's hilarious

[lament warren]

theyll repeatedly pull 3 and then they will full heal the pack

[nocturne current]

It's meme build but hilarious

[lament warren]

as long as ir having fun

[worn path]

Court of starsing a key is a verb

[nocturne current]

Ok if you want super meme you can hit with 110k with death from above.

[nocturne current]

All you have to do is Puzzle Box in a corner, go to enemy, cast Deathmark + Shiv... use macro

/cast Vanish
/cast Thistle Tea
/cast Cold Blood

And press 3.

[slow viper]

can anyone view my logs and show me what im doing wrong?

!logs

[regal hamlet]

is anyone running puzzle box and grieftorch? double on use sounds awful to play but it sims highest for me

[void python]

Noob question, should i use deathmark before or after i put the bleed? (Rupture, garote, etc)

[regal hamlet]

after

[void python]

Tq

[balmy condor]

there's openers in the faq

[balmy condor]

I'm sure plenty of people are if they have the two best trinkets

[patent estuary]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1061157914120822824 need log review assistance for dtb build

[balmy condor]

brother it's been less than an hour

do you think log reviews grow on trees

[void python]

Yeah i saw the rotation and kinda confused me, the 3 skill starter is garote - slice n dice - garote again?

Isnt that going to overwriten the previous garote? Sorry iam new in this spec

[balmy condor]

yeah but improved garrote is 3 seconds, so both are empowered

[void python]

? Sorry i dont get it

[balmy condor]

improved garrote

the talent that empowers garrote

it lasts for 3 seconds

gar slice gar means both garrotes get the extra cp and the extra damage

[void python]

Oh wait improved garrote and normal garrote is different tab?

[balmy condor]

what

improved garrote is a talent

what do you mean tab

wow isn't a browser game

[strange python]

Not yet it isn’t

[void python]

No i mean once you apply garrote the bleed icon is on the enemy right?

Improved garrote is not the same as garrote bleed icon?

Iam really confused

[balmy condor]

yeah I can tell

when you garrote from stealth

the garrote is empowered

[void python]

Okay…

[balmy condor]

you also get additional cp from shrouded

those effects last 3 seconds

gar -> snd -> gar, is 3 seconds

it's still empowered

[void python]

I get that part, but why improved garrote twice? The bleed just refresh right?

[strange python]

[cloud moat]

I used to think Whispyr is often unreasonably grumpy for seemingly little reason, but after actively reading for a week some of the stuff that gets posted here daily, I can't believe he hasn't completely lost his sanity

[balmy condor]

it gets extended from pandemic, you get the additional cp

it's more damage

also this would be half as frustrating

if you just read the part of the faq literally titled "why double garrote"

[balmy condor]

the secret is that I'm often grumpy, but I like to think it's very reasonably

[void python]

Hmm i think i need to read rogue talent again

I didnt even know what pandemic is

[drifting cloud]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[drifting cloud]

its not a rogue only thing

[void python]

Oh ok now i see why double garrote

[drifting cloud]

we just call it that because it used to be a warlock only thing called pandemic a very long time ago

[dreamy elk]

When prepping for exsan (outside of the opener), are you typically trying to use your gcds (prior to exsan) to max out the durations of your bleeds? So e.g. rupture - garrote - exsan? And do you do so even if both dots still have more than pandemic range duration?

[balmy condor]

you always er->rup->exsang

garrote should be maxed too

[dreamy elk]

Oh crap, right. ER always lines up. Ok, scratch that part. So typically it’s something like garrote - ER - rupture - exsan, or do you try to ER on empty CP so you can get an empowered rupture for the exsan?

[balmy condor]

yeah gar er rup exsang is fine

[dreamy elk]

Cool. Thanks!

[brazen zodiac]

4pc gaming

[olive linden]

So for kingsban, exs build, after first opener do we try to sync ex+sang or just use both on cd during the fight? And a thing about envenom->kb->shiv, always in that order? I didnt get it from faq.

[balmy condor]

You should hold exsang for dm

[terse terrace]

does anything for assass snapshot anymore? if im remembering right exsanguinate does?

[balmy condor]

Exsang snapshots haste

[median nacelle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[unreal epoch]

should I be holding ER for every kingsbane go or does it not matter

as long as I have it for exang rotation

[somber fractal]

just saw the wild talent changes. my initial feelscraft says not much changes for st raid builds except we get a bonus point to put in zoldyks

[balmy condor]

If you hold ER for kingsbane you’ll miss a cast

Don’t do that

[balmy condor]

Bingo

Not much changes for m+ either we just run dtb/ic instead of kb/ic

Also we just perma lose some of our execute

[unreal epoch]

switching from the OG DTB -> KIngsbane is too much brainpower with line ups

[balmy condor]

Is it?

You just hold both shivs for kingsbane and slam everything else on cooldown

If you’re capable of holding shiv for 10 seconds and pushing an extra button, the rest is the same

[unreal epoch]

on my last go on our sennarth kill i exang'd during deathmark out of panic

feels bad

[urban heron]

Good morning,
I need some help with build to rouge assassin, which skill put to bar skill and maybe some tips for new player 🙂

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

Any of these are good

Would start there

[pastel onyx]

Pog 5 targets shiv

[icy moth]

!log

[strange python]

Kind of a shame 5 target shiv isn’t out this week would be fun

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s weird that it’s a utility pick more than a damage pick though

Seems kinda undertuned

[dire lodge]

hello

i found a gamebreaking rogue glitch

where can i report

[balmy condor]

Considering you haven’t said something of value the entire time you’ve been here and been a near constant walking shitpost

[dire lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXP8B6kcd1o

[balmy condor]

I kinda have my suspicion

[dire lodge]

The male pandaren do not have the correct ambush animation

How does this effect our m+ rotation? @balmy condor

weapons don’t move with wrists during any ambush related animation, as well as dispatch

[balmy condor]

That’s the shadowstrike animation

[dire lodge]

It could be recreated with blindside

[balmy condor]

I’d much rather just not care

[stray mural]

I see it as nothing but raw throughput in keys. Care to elaborate?

[balmy condor]

Honestly

[dire lodge]

are you saying pandaren dont matter?

[balmy condor]

No I’m saying I don’t want to read the words you say with my eyeballs anymore because you’re exhausting

[dire lodge]

tell this to xay panda72

[balmy condor]

5 target enrage dispel is really big

[stray mural]

Maybe my head is in the clouds then. Combined with 4 set, I could see it going crazy on 5+.

[balmy condor]

It’s…. Not great

I mean it’s damage yeah

But it’s not really impressive

You would never play ic/ap over dtb/ap im pretty sure

You might just for the enrage

But for the damage? No way

[stray mural]

On bad fort enrage weeks miss me not taking it

[balmy condor]

You might play dtb/ap in small pull dungeons

But also kinda doubt it

Because why would you take it over shrouded or whatever

[stray mural]

Hmm yeah

When I saw the news my brain was like

[supple snow]

Is there a list of changes ?

[eternal vortex]

pin

[balmy condor]

Idk koji did the implementation and his initial sims showed 3% single target and 5% aoe

And that’s….. not good

Because my first pass of duct tape sims would’ve needed it to be 8% in dungeonslice to be competitive damage wise

And it is nowhere close to that

[spare bobcat]

MAGA- make assassin great again by reducing target cap on IC and crimson tempest. TY for coming to my ted talk

err increasing... No target cap at all!

[balmy condor]

[supple snow]

When is 10.0.5 ?

[oak sky]

winter 2023

[balmy condor]

Probably 1.5- 2 weeks

[supple snow]

Funny how I was coming to discord to ask if we are expecting any changes with how other specs are doing to see this. Haha very happy with the changes.

[dire lodge]

MAGA- remove exsanguinate and kingsbane, cringe button bloat.

[balmy condor]

There’s stuff in there for account saving for the Chinese region before it shuts down on the 23rd

[dire lodge]

wait that abbreviation doesnt work, @spare bobcat can you make me a catchy slogan?

[balmy condor]

So that would need to go live before that

[dire lodge]

on cn servers they removed exsang completely due to the blood-related meaning of the word

[spare bobcat]

No I'd prefer exsang on a 45 second cooldown

[oak sky]

😴 impossible requests are unproductive

[supple snow]

Big

[strange python]

You should go to that discord

[dire lodge]

survival hunters dont use discord

they got like a skype

[balmy condor]

How many days do I need to mute you for in order to get one message that isn’t a shitpost out of curiosity

[dire lodge]

hmm

considering its 4 am i feel like there is less flooding and damage caused by sending my mechangome hunter

but i do understand the error of my ways

ill repost in #off-topic

[balmy condor]

I’m not sure you’d be welcomed there

But it’s an improvement

[pastel onyx]

[dire lodge]

send arena rating during wod

[storm onyx]

Target caps are not bad. It enables us to keep highest dmg while using a talent. I wouldn’t like to be doing 50% less dmg on 15, instead of doing full dmg on 8. Somethings “need” to die sooner, faster. I would rather have stronger talents compared to padded overall

[tender kelp]

hi is it possible to sim upgrade on crafted gear?

i'm unsure whether to upgrade weap or ring tbh, thinking about the weapon

[rich stream]

you could probably do it with gear compare

[tender kelp]

will try to, thx

[supple snow]

The problem I have with this Is you can’t have Ic choose your too 3 prios in a pack of 20.

One is all you get.

[trim zinc]

Droptmizer

Does that

[tender kelp]

i'm trying gear compare rn, thanks!

[subtle tundra]

Damn no assa buffs

I quit

[trim zinc]

No varas pls
Stay with us

[balmy condor]

Bye varas

[trim zinc]

Lmao

[restive berry]

monkey outlaw trying out assa for the past 4 hours , and grey log is the result
feelsbadman

!log

[subtle tundra]

i thought there was something between us

damn...

[subtle tundra]

there's a pleonasm in there

[restive berry]

grey log & assa
monkey & outlaw
😄 ?

[subtle tundra]

monkey and outlaw

[restive berry]

gotcha ;D

[supple snow]

So is DS giving us the same things and numbers only with 2 points? Or is it like 10% 10 energy or soemthing

[balmy condor]

It’s the same thing but the third point is removed

So instead of 5%/10%/15% crit and 1 energy

It’s 5%/10% and 1 energy

[supple snow]

Cool. Still worth though.

You think it will result in crit being less important and haste more?

[balmy condor]

Yes, it gets you to dtb so that’s big value

[balmy condor]

Not any more than it is right now

[supple snow]

Thanks.

[vestal cliff]

What you guys like more for dungeons ? DTB or KB with IC

[supple snow]

On fort I have a hard time passing on KB IC

But this week I believe DTB has bigger value

[vestal cliff]

True

I have 4set now so maybe IC will be better

[rich stream]

personally preference, DTB, if im playing sin in a key I'm mostly going for boss/prio target dam, and dtb just makes doing that much more comfy imo.

[midnight phoenix]

Hey guys, i was wondering if anyone has anything i can use to help with rotation? I use hekili but id like to find something to help optimise, anyone know a good weak aura?

[jade abyss]

Kb ic all the time love that but in some dungeons ic feels wasted

[pseudo hamlet]

Is it possible that TTB will be more preferred option than Blindside with the Arterial Precision talent?

[vestal cliff]

Does ic get better with 4 set?

[midnight phoenix]

I guess noone has any good weak auras to help with rotation?

[rich stream]

very much

[rich stream]

I personally dont use it, but my go to recommendation is luxthos

[midnight phoenix]

Ty

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

Any of these

[midnight phoenix]

I use hekili for rotation atm but i understand its just a basic rotation

Just looking to further improve with something abit more dps optimised

[supple snow]

I think for that you would need HeroRotation

Or whatever it is called

It’s in the wowhead guide Whispyr wrote

[midnight phoenix]

Oo ok

[balmy condor]

Imma be real

They just make me write an addon and macro page

And the last thing I did to those pages

Was make sure Vendetta macros were Deathmark

[supple snow]

But he himself said it’s not that important. I haven’t use it either. So

[supple snow]

Haha

[midnight phoenix]

Ive no macros atm

So herorotation is a no go? xD

[vagrant moon]

Yo these sin changes pretty crazy

Didn’t even realize

[coral rivet]

do we get AoE with the ptr changes?

[midnight phoenix]

Oh have we been buffed? Ive not seen changes

[coral rivet]

https://i.gyazo.com/70c57993e4bc6dc8580eee31bde7c029.png

[midnight phoenix]

Ooooo AoE bleed buff

[vestal cliff]

Omg this sounds very hot

[coral rivet]

i like this too, kingsbane is not cool to use

ye so my question is, if this is enough to compete with the better m+ specs

[cobalt hemlock]

hypers

[midnight phoenix]

What is better for m+? Kingsbane + Carnage or Dragon

[balmy condor]

We already do

[vast goblet]

Hear hear

[rich stream]

I'd say play KB + IC for fort, DTB for tyra

[midnight phoenix]

ty

[vestal cliff]

Does someone has a link to the patch notes?

[balmy condor]

Wowhead front page

[vestal cliff]

Ty

[thorn crater]

uhm question for anyone that can answer me since sub chan is on /ignore mode on new people. do you ever hard cast SND? and if so when? cause guides say maintain it but not when to cast it

after opener?

is there a way to generate cps before opener

after SD after vanish when

[junior aurora]

hard cast if its not up

should only have to hard cast it once per dungeon or raid fight tho

[thorn crater]

but like, u open strike right u get 8 seconds, the ndance ends and what? u vanish cast strike again

ok cool

after that?

[junior aurora]

oh you’re talking about sub

[thorn crater]

yes

thats why i said im getting ignored there

[junior aurora]

you hardcast it whenever it falls off as long as you aren’t in shadow dance

[thorn crater]

but you do hard cast it

[junior aurora]

Up to 5 targets

[thorn crater]

cause the only response i got was, "it should not fall off"

and im like, ok?

[junior aurora]

with pre-med strikes you don’t have to hardcast it all that often

[thorn crater]

no for sure

but it has to be cast at least once right

[junior aurora]

but you will have to hardcast it

[thorn crater]

thank you

is it so hard for someone to mention that? i have been losing my mind

[junior aurora]

was confused bc sin you cast it once and never think about it

[thorn crater]

ye

[junior aurora]

almost same with outlaw too depending on what you roll first

[thorn crater]

i dont understand why there is no mention of the cast of SND and how it works for sub on any guide/faq/anything really. cool shadowstrike procs it. how do you maintain it (if possible)

[strange python]

More shadowstrike

[thorn crater]

the aoe opener has one cast of strike. one.

no mentions of vanishing timings, keeping snd up nothing

anw ty for your time

wrong channel for the rest of it

[junior aurora]

the sub faq does tell you about snd

so you just missed it

says “keep slice and dice up” and in the finisher use section it says 1-5 targets

[steel sorrel]

@balmy condor Another wonderful couple of weeks of "WHAT BUILD IS THE BEST" inc poor soul

[subtle tundra]

Tbh it's always gonna be ic + one of the three capstones which are st/aoe/cleave and you choose based on dungeon/affix

Considering good balance of the talents

[junior aurora]

i feel like ic is the one you could drop depending on dungeon

like ic in a place like smbg isnt necessary

[subtle tundra]

Thing is it synergies too much with ap

So if you don't take ic you take ap

But in the end I'll just listen to whispy

[balmy condor]

Ap too weak to also stand next to IC

At least with what we have currently

[subtle tundra]

20% moment

[balmy condor]

DTB+IC is very good, DTB+AP is probably reasonable for lower pull count dungeons like Shadowmoon or jade

[subtle tundra]

Ap probably loses too much st, right?

[balmy condor]

AP+IC is only stronger than DTB+IC in cleave, loses single target, loses aoe

KB+IC is similarly bad

[subtle tundra]

Yea kb ic was only good cause ic carried aoe

[balmy condor]

Because it’s weaker than DTB in single target, but also purely single target

So KB is just giga dead atm

[subtle tundra]

Gonna be real awkward to balance

[midnight phoenix]

With deathmark do i need to reapply my bleeds? Or does it add to the ones already applied

[steel sorrel]

Add a duplicate of existing ones

[balmy condor]

I think a bit of a KB buff and a lot of an AP buff and it’s probably fine

[midnight phoenix]

Ok thanks bro

[balmy condor]

Give KB another 15-20% and it’s getting closer

But AP needs to be like

Doubled

20% is not good enough

[subtle tundra]

We're gonna have 1 mil kb soon

Finally burst spec?

[steel sorrel]

Great for raz ❤️

[balmy condor]

Honestly not sure it’s better for rasz post patch

You don’t get zoldyck automatically with KB anymore

So it’s actually just straight KB vs DTB

[subtle tundra]

Yea you go full zoldyck with either

[balmy condor]

And it loses that battle pretty badly

[subtle tundra]

I think kb should be noticeably better on pure st

[steel sorrel]

Huh, didnt think of that tbh

Dont think I fully understand the implications on the talent tree atm

[balmy condor]

It probably catches up just because shield damage

On demand shield damage is a strong multiplier

[steel sorrel]

Yeah, that was my reasoning tbh

In that specific fight

[balmy condor]

But I think it’s a lot harder to argue now

[steel sorrel]

I am only cringebrain atm so i will trust you for sure ❤️

[teal bloom]

Does the raszageth shield happen every minute so it's good fight for kingsbane? I have only done it on normal so I have no idea lol

[balmy condor]

Every 1:20

Currently you hold kb for every shield and dm/vanish for first and third

With a shiv in between and then two charges each shield

[teal bloom]

Okay

[subtle tundra]

Well. On mythic I'm pretty sure you don't want too much shield dmg

Cause it's pretty easy to break

Or at least what I've heard from the race

[vestal cliff]

AP could be nice for council maybe

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[vestal cliff]

Are the raidboss builds on wowhead good?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[vestal cliff]

Nice

[balmy condor]

Rasz you might want to play kb

But the rest are all the same build as faq

[vestal cliff]

Okay thanks 🙂

With 4piece set bonus is it better to play ic/kb in m+?

And if i dont run ic do i need to put rupture on every mob?

[balmy condor]

First question not really, it’s always good, 4 piece kinda helps
Second question no, just enough to sustain energy

[thorn crater]

Ye that’s what I meant yday (or is it still today for you)

That KB as is will be inherently worse than DTB

[balmy condor]

Guess it’s 4am so it was yesterday

KB will for sure be worse

But dtb is Just as strong as now if not stronger

[thorn crater]

Yes of course

[hearty junco]

how would the new AOE tree look like

[thorn crater]

I dno I feel like I don’t explain my thoughts correctly and people misunderstand what I’m trying to say

Anything not cleave specific will feel bad taking ap and KB as is will be dead which I doubt was the point of the change

Hence my thought that we might need a buff on them

[upper crown]

Buff kb

[thorn crater]

To make them viable

[thorn crater]

I mean is either that or nerf KB right

I mean DTB

Aoe soothe sounds like a very good qol meme cause you gotta sacrifice either DTB or IC for it

And I dno I think you lose too much for a gimmick that can be achieved another way

Just move shrouded up a tier

And eventually put it where exsang is and replace exsang with something else (doesn’t even have to be anything too special)

Imp garrote shrouded IW sounds like the perfect pathing

(Am I typing too much again?)

[timber basalt]

hi guys, i recall reading somewhere that we send shiv on cd even if we are at full cp, is that still the case?

and also send it even if we are at ER combo point

[thorn crater]

ye thank you but it doesnt say when to cast it or how to keep it up if there is a way to do it without hard casting.

prolly means teh haste value is less than the vers one

and 300 dps doesnt rly matter

[hardy dagger]

Aoe soothe definitely has it's uses a good example would be the triple pull at the start of hov

[somber fractal]

do we know if losing 5% crit on poisons from it becoming a 2 point node is more of a dps loss than we gain from an extra point in zoldyks?

[hearty junco]

@balmy condor mind putting together a ptr m+ talent tree i can look at?

[thorn crater]

does it outweigh the dmg DTB provides or the utility/spread IC does?

i dont think so

[vestal wren]

thats a fair opinion, but let people paly what they enjoy 🙂

[raven egret]

dh sucks rogue rules

[sweet bobcat]

true

[thorn crater]

based

[dark token]

Bruh it's replacing kingsbane in the tree

You can to ic/aoe shiv talent

Or IC/dtb if you want

All capstone's usuable together now (pick 2)

[coral rivet]

ok so im doing stuff wrong, uff

[royal lantern]

dh has no stealth, argument over, rogue wins

[rigid comet]

when do the 10.0.5 spicy changes go to live aproximately?

[trail tree]

2 weeks at the earliest ig

[royal lantern]

when 10.0.5releases

🤓

[vestal wren]

expectations are 24/25th

but hard to predict

[swift dagger]

Is KB a lot better for Rasz (heroic) than DTB? Been playing DTB since it sims a lil bit better but wondering about execute+KB (for shields example)

[vestal wren]

the one you are more comfortable is better

the typical KB build has a bit more buttons to it and if you fuck up more, it directly impacts your output

[swift dagger]

KB one has more execute too hmm, maybe I'll try to learn it just in case we need the power in P3.

[swift dagger]

Definitely, thats why I ask cuz I been messing up a bit lately

[vestal wren]

!fuu my spreadsheet has a comparison of output changes during/after execute with the highest simming KB/DTB build

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

KB is iirc ~8% higher during execute

[swift dagger]

10% apparently in pure execute, a pretty large difference

[vestal wren]

oh ye its 10%

i think i had old numbers in mind

[swift dagger]

Is the stat prio right in your sheet, says Crit and Haste are almost equal that doesnt seem correct

[vestal wren]

yes

[swift dagger]

Huh, I mean I guess it doesnt matter since we use Top Gear sims

[vestal wren]

my sheet is the probably most up to date source for simulations (atm)

(ill updated assassination just yesterday)

haste is on par with mastery but it depends on your gear

if you look at the stat plot, haste is so slightly ahead of mastery

and gear has about the same amount of haste and mastery

[subtle tundra]

doing my whisper like that?

[vestal wren]

haste beeing equal to mastery is a consequence of puzzle box

[swift dagger]

Oh yeah the puzzle box, thats why ppl just need to do their own sims cuz they might not have it

[thorn crater]

ure dumb

[vestal wren]

puzzel box basically did shift the focus away form mastery

without puzzle box it was a bit more mastery heavy with ~3k mastery

and ~2k haste

[vestal wren]

you can approach it multiple ways

[thorn crater]

or u dont understand what im saying. im saying both IC and DTB arre in almost every circumstance more valuable

[vestal wren]

puzze box even on 415 is bis, so people probably want to spam dungeons to get it

[worn path]

I love algethar because you know if the keys dead about 8 minutes in

[winged quail]

Number at end of fight is higher with DTB therefore DTB > KB

[vestal wren]

DTB is def. the best option for the majority

it is error-prone and easier, no need to over-optimize dps

[worn path]

Might not be the best option for raz, KB lines up with the shields so well, and the execute phase is the real check

[winged quail]

Yeah but fuck KB all my homies hate KB

[vestal wren]

^ w/e how you approach it, it is important to make sure people have the knowledge of impact

[raven light]

is this a bug that it says 1 energy reg or will we get a massive energy reg buff with 10.0.5? the skilltree clac on wowhead also says it should be 5 energy reg per point spend

[vestal wren]

tooltip was/is just wrong iirc

[viscid fulcrum]

hello, i just started playing assasination and would like to ask a question regarding the multi target rotation/priority

so i saw that we'll consider to use Crimson Tempest at 6+ targets and Envenom below that.
what's the logic behind this? what does envenom brings that it outweighs the initial damage of Crimson Tempest? (for example like in 3-4 targets)

any help would be much appreciated, thanks!

[raven light]

ty

[vestal wren]

no problem it will be 5%/10% and 1 energy on all ranks with 9.0.5

[raven vapor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[rich dawn]

Hey is assassination or outlaw harder to play?

[vestal wren]

both are easy to learn but give you options to explore the spec further

and min/max

[green harbor]

outlaw is the only spec in the game that has defeated me

[vestal wren]

thats fine

you don't need to play it, we have two other specs that perform equal to it

[drifting light]

What makes it difficult? I find the HO build really easy to play. Just press what's glowing and roll when buffs suck

[green harbor]

HO is the best version of outlaw i've tried; it's mostly that outlaw has so many short cooldowns to look out for and i find myself fully immersed in the rotation and don't realise certain things are off CD too often

[bitter turret]

hey I just wanted to ask if we wait to use puzzle box as assa at any point?

to line up with death mark or anything?

or is it just on cd?

[gusty mirage]

Before deathmark

You can also probably hold it, unless you’ll lose a cast

[drifting light]

Yea i sometimes forget bladeflurry for a second or two, so i get that. When i find it difficult to play a spec I just sit on target dummy till it works out

[gusty mirage]

For the 2nd use that is

[drifting light]

So its the same thing with exsang right? If you know its the last cast of the fight you just hold it

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

[hearty meadow]

Is assassination rogue good in dungeons? I always assumed it was not good compared to the other two specs

[gusty mirage]

Realistically 3minute stuff you’ll only get 2 casts anyway

Except for fights that are designed to be longer

[drifting light]

I think it might be a little bit harder to maximize your dmg since you need to maintain dots and stuff, but its really good for big pulls

[fleet imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lament warren]

sick pfp

[vestal wren]

[thorny pond]

Is there a chance to get ring from TW weekend event reward?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

Anything except for tier is game

[thorny pond]

fuck

i hate tw

[gusty mirage]

I’m not running 5 TWing for a 180dps upgrade

Fuck that

[thorny pond]

323 here

[green harbor]

most of the dungeons are really undertuned and are quite fast

[thorny pond]

gam-gam gave me the AA ring so I am happy now

[gusty mirage]

Wow grandma gave you the AA ring?

[lament warren]

https://youtu.be/KB8_woVZ1hU

[thorny pond]

she did

[royal lantern]

*really really small chance for 180dps

[thorny pond]

Oxi is used to dealing with really small things

like my dps, for instance

[stoic bobcat]

hi everyone
what is the proper usage of puzzle box?

[thorny pond]

Before DM

[ruby lotus]

its not there anymorre

they removed it from pins

_>

[gusty mirage]

I did indeed remove it

I'll make a new one eventually

stop yelling at me

[ruby lotus]

[jolly niche]

the neck elemental lariat can proc any gem ?

[gusty mirage]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[gusty mirage]

yeah

any gem you have equipped

even in rings/helm

[jolly niche]

ok ty

[gusty mirage]

I should update that command too

while I'm at it

[jolly niche]

lol

[thorny pond]

!box

!puzzle

!fuckbox

[ruby lotus]

love the effort

[gusty mirage]

I could also make one for puzzlebox

[thorny pond]

!dumpster

oh look, my logs don't show up.. hmmm random PUG, i must not be trash

[fleet imp]

Aaaaaactually not

[lament warren]

huh

[midnight phoenix]

Anything worth crafting as a rogue?

Or whats our weakest tier piece ?

[lofty junco]

finaly level 70. difference between DBT and KB+carnage for m+?

[thorny pond]

Lariat + Weapon + Cowl are solid crafting choices

#assassination-faq for builds

[midnight phoenix]

Ty

[lofty junco]

yeah but i mean whats biggest difference between both m+ builds

[thorny pond]

Like DPS?

They both function entirely different in the scope of a dungeon

[lofty junco]

so u need both builds depending on dungeon?

[thorny pond]

Most this week run the DTB M+ build for better ST

[lofty junco]

so like one builds is for more aoe for fortified, while the other is better for tyrannical weeks?

[thorny pond]

in a nutshell yea

[lofty junco]

yeah thats all i wanted to know^^

oh nvm...should had just crolled further up for a dtb vs kingsbane faq

[fleet imp]

Wrong person mb

[supple snow]

where is the new talent ( unbreakable stride ) placed on our talent tree?

[lament warren]

where cheat is

[supple snow]

big

[thorn crater]

If I am running puzzle box and grieftorch when do I channel them in the opener?

[gusty mirage]

feint baseline, cheat/elusive goes where feint is, and new talent goes where cheat was

[gusty mirage]

puzzle box before deathmark

[supple snow]

so we just got free 30% less slow compared to what we have now

[gusty mirage]

guzzler after

[thorn crater]

Thanks Oxi

[gusty mirage]

[scarlet sable]

How much ST is sacrificed in M+ build

[gusty mirage]

roughly 20%

[supple snow]

in IC + KB? or DTB one?

[gusty mirage]

Hi, my name is oxi and I'm here to help you navigate through blizzard's new obsession with channel trinkets:

Quick guideline: use a channel trinket either before or after deathmark, never during.

You're probably running puzzlebox & grieftorch, and they're fantastic trinkets they do a lot of damage and we like them. But you know what we don't like? Channel trinkets. They make the opener clunky and they're frustrating to use because you're probably not sure when to use them.

In this case you're better juicing your bleeds/poisons with puzzlebox during deathmark so use puzzlebox before deathmark. Use the grieftorch after deathmark, and then make sure you yell at monitor how much you hate blizzard as you sit there solving a Rubik's Cube during your opener. Also neat fact, puzzle box cast IS hasted and will be a shorter cast during lust and/or PI.

[gusty mirage]

IC/KB is roughly 20%ish behind a ST build

[ruby lotus]

i like how you made it fun and knowledgeable

[gusty mirage]

that's why a lot of people default to using DTB during tyran

because it makes it less sad

[supple snow]

on that note, can you talk about this build? I tweaked it for Tyr week not sure how good/bad it is

BMQAOB/7AZ//CwQOf4fPMswHVLNRSikkQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAAESaOQJJkkkkWSiICChYBB

[lavish wing]

What about the trink where u stand 10 still 🤣

[gusty mirage]

you throw that in the garbage

[lavish wing]

From Dathea I think

[gusty mirage]

with how much movement is required in raid rn

[lavish wing]

Yea

[gusty mirage]

trinket fucks tho

ngl

[fleet imp]

Maybe this post will be enough to yoink PI from guild main raid, could you add something like: "Pi the sin on opener else you are hard trolling"?

[raw raft]

sorry no Pi's available, too many UH dk's

[fleet imp]

[teal bloom]

PI is cheating

[cunning surge]

[flint ridge]

we're progging H rasz. Is fang adornments better now for my 418 dagger?

[thorny pond]

Do you have 3 crafted items?

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[flint ridge]

I'm just tryna upgrade my 405 dagger to 418 and maybe replace the bronze.

[thorny pond]

.2% dps diff

[flint ridge]

is that up to date?

[thorny pond]

feel free to sim yourself but you aren't going to see a massive gain

the ilvl bump alone is going to be more significant than swapping fang from bronze

[flint ridge]

yeah but since i'm gonna recraft might as well pick the best ;p

[thorny pond]

Lariat + cowl w/ ring

Have you crafted other pieces yet?

[flint ridge]

bro cowl + ring is like not attainable on demand haha

[thorny pond]

Cowl on its own is comparable to weapon embel

Which is why I originally asked what your 3 crafted pieces were

[royal lantern]

i have no ring and still made the cowl

going from 395 to a 418head piece alone was worth it

[versed canopy]

So those talent changes

[thorny pond]

I would sim lariat + cowl against lariat + weapon w/ fang

[royal lantern]

and weapon embs dont have big impact anyway

[royal lantern]

good for assa

good in longterm for outlaw, people just dont like broken stuff nerfed

[fleet imp]

Fang was doing around 0.7-0.8 for me

[raw raft]

when unholy nerfs

[fleet imp]

I yeeted it and rerolled into cowl no ring

[thorny pond]

Cowl on its own is still good value if you aren't dropping a set bonus

[fleet imp]

Actually this. I did exactly the same

Cowl only is about 0.1 0.2 in st compated to weapon

Less*

[raw raft]

i have socketed dathea helm but i know i need to craft cowl soon

[flint ridge]

so you saying 395 -> 418 cowl better than fang+ dagger?

[fleet imp]

By far

Like not even close

[thorny pond]

ilvl on helm alone would beat the fang

[flint ridge]

copy that! i'll just remove my dagger embellishment then

[fleet imp]

If you have 418 dagger already ofc

[raw raft]

upgrading your helm from 395 to 418 would be alot more dps than just replacing an embellishment on an already 418 dagger

[slim hamlet]

yeah it def is not better than 405-418 weapon

[flint ridge]

removing entirely

[royal lantern]

good thing im my own weapon smith and can do stuff like embelishmsnt swaps on weapons myself for free

[limber lion]

If the 395 weapon is your main weapon and your highest ilvl weapon, then you should upgrade it first

You should get a 418+ main hand first before you start upgrading Lariat/Cowl or whatever else

[flint ridge]

nw i can just farm 10 dungeons haha

thanks for the tips bros

[fleet imp]

Psst ic > dtb

[flint ridge]

HAHA

[midnight phoenix]

Anyone got a macro for all posions?

[thorny pond]

just apply them

all you can do

[stray mural]

Is that the move this week? Have I been doing my keys wrong?

[radiant quail]

Is there a way to see when exsanguinate has been used on wc logs?

[thorny pond]

casts -> events

[radiant quail]

Thanks mate

[trail tree]

is there a way to track if exsan is currently active?

iirc its a hidden aura right on the target?

[lavish wing]

Well its active as long as the bleeds r on

[trail tree]

truue

[lavish wing]

So thats kinda enough, imho

I only have WA to track the activation

As soon as I see it, Im on to DM

[true thorn]

lots of interesting rogue changes coming with talents and stuff for assassination

[signal kayak]

CAN NOT WAIT!

[fleet imp]

I am gonna die on this hill.

Aoe>st even on tyrannical

[timber meadow]

anyone have data around blessing of summer and how it impacts rogues?

idk if it impacts diff classes differently

[stray mural]

I’ve been playing IC/KB all week. I’ll give it a shot.

[fleet imp]

?

[olive linden]

So pretty much envenom->shiv->kb. Coz this opener picture states enevenom->kb->shiv.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037333062083678268/1052026886680760380/ST-KB-rota.png?width=810&height=284

[timber meadow]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[limber lion]

Does not matter at all one way or the other

You could do Shiv - Env - Kingsbane as well

Doesn't matter

[olive linden]

Ah okay, thanks!

[lavish salmon]

Hey rogues, trying to learn assassination better to help a guildie improve. Can someone explain the finisher usage from the FAQ for me? I have a feral background so I have some understanding of the style. Is the max-1 rule just to avoid wasting combo points from crits?

[jade wadi]

How are we feeling about the new talent coming in 10.0.5? Sounds interesting. Kind of nice to have 4 capstones now.

[spice spire]

Seems good

Allowing DTB to be taken with IC or the new talent feels much better than current

[limber lion]

Yes

[sonic schooner]

Hello oxi, should i now ask pi to cast puzzlebox faster?

Am i the best PI target?

[jade wadi]

Can’t we already take DTB with IC? From what I understand Kingsbane is moving right to where DTB is as a choice node, and the new one will be slotted on the left. Unless they also move zoldyk idk if we will be doing a lot of that or not.

[spice spire]

We cannot - dashing has 3 points which prevents it from being taken with either node

In current placement

Removing one dashing allows this

[jaunty lotus]

They changed it, no?

[slim hamlet]

10.0.5

[jaunty lotus]

Getting the capstone in the middle now only needs 5 points instead of 6

[slim hamlet]

10.0.5

[jaunty lotus]

Yeah

Oh didn't see he was talking about current

[proper tapir]

Yes and wasted CPs as our main generators provide a minimum of 2 CP. Note that when you math it out, the damage per CP of our finishers is the same.

[flint gulch]

Im using a DtB build since im not good Cd management and to clumsy so im limited when it comes to amount binds im effective with

[vital reef]

If I assume a Manic Grieftorch Mythic is not going to be available, whats the next best trinket? (Box+?)

[spice spire]

Box

[vital reef]

Box + what? I got box

[spice spire]

And current probably?

[sand elm]

current tech prolly

[vital reef]

I doubt raids will kill Kurog multiple times before locking as well..

So need to go one deeper probably

[agile geode]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mr8DBn2EHdq6DzzkNTwKMM

is it normal that even in lariat it says to me to put haste?

!lariat

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[timber meadow]

I done fucked up today.... eranog ring dropped and since its bis for everyone, RL wants dps numbers in the loot council submission and I forgot my numbers and he didn't notice since so many people requestsed it for upgrade

so it went to a lock

lock gained 1400 dps upgrade and that was next highest and my upgrade is....

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kP2Wm4tBWfeVpRT33fdFwi

[cunning surge]

My raid group only wants people with fire abilities to roll on it first, sadge

[timber meadow]

lol why

[glacial cloud]

is it worth to go for assassination from outlaw?^^ does it perform the same?

[vital reef]

You get the Crowl helmet just for it

[cunning surge]

Bc "chance to deal damage" over "consistent fire damage"

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

[timber meadow]

i mean just sim it?

bis stats means a lot

on top of the proc

i guess not bis for assa but still verry good

[cunning surge]

P sure it's bis for us with Cowl right now, if the pins are anything to go off of

I'm just holding off on Cowl cause it's like, no idea when I'm going to get to roll on it lmao

[timber meadow]

while i fucked up and as a result didn't get it today, RL did whisper me after and said next one that drops is mine

[cunning surge]

Truth be told tho, I'm not that hard pressed about it, just find it weird that it's not usual case of "highest upgrade first"

That's based that he has your back like that

[timber meadow]

yeah that's weird because they're using the reasoning of "chance to proc" vs "always proc" - but sims take that into account

so it literally doesn't matter jsut go by sim lol

[cunning surge]

Exactly

[timber meadow]

basically if their logic was sound

then sims would play that out anyway

otherwise their logic is just flawed

[gusty mirage]

send me your RL

right fucking now

[timber meadow]

also the cowl is effectively permanent

yeah lol

that RL is cringe

[gusty mirage]

[cunning surge]

It's whatever, like yeah I can understand the reasoning, but like you said Sims take the proc chance and ppm of things like Frostfire belt (their main concern bc our warriors) into account

Nah I'm not gonna get a witch hunt going

[timber meadow]

i think what would bug me is that i actually can't understand the reasoning

[gusty mirage]

BURN IT WITH FIRE

[timber meadow]

like if the logic was reasonable, it'd be aa bummer but wtvr

[gusty mirage]

(oh the irony)

[timber meadow]

but the logic is literally just illogical

[gusty mirage]

our policy

is if you can proc it

you can roll on it

doesn't matter how

[timber meadow]

yup

[cunning surge]

I feel that 100%

[timber meadow]

we just submit dps numbers and people who can proc it are responsible for showing the correct sim #

[cunning surge]

But I mean it's not like it's going to bad DPS, so like I'm not too upset but I just want to wrap my head around it

[cunning surge]

Which I think is, probably the safest way of getting it into the right hands

[vestal wren]

yes, just hit him with the hard trueth

"this could be me, you see the 2% dps"

[timber meadow]

is that ring + cowl

i assume

[vestal wren]

yes

[gusty mirage]

yeah

it's a shit ton of damage

[timber meadow]

yeah its 2500 dps upgrade for me

[gusty mirage]

me too brother me too

[timber meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kP2Wm4tBWfeVpRT33fdFwi

and completely my fault for forgeting to submit my number or i would've had it today 100%

[timber basalt]

quick question, if you lust on pull i can't seem to run out of energy to use tea, should i use it just for the buff and to put it on cd?

[dreamy elk]

Does anyone have a link to the lariat gem chart?

[prisma carbon]

ya

[spice spire]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[dreamy elk]

Thanks.

So something funky is going on. This is my neck set-up. I should only get flame procs, right? But I'm only getting earth procs and nothing else.

[gusty mirage]

what do you have gemmed in other slots?

[dreamy elk]

Ohhh. You mean on other items? Ok. I have one earth gem in my ring.

[gusty mirage]

yeah its proccing off that gem

[dreamy elk]

I didn't know it drew from non-lariat items too. Shit, ok. Thanks.

[gusty mirage]

it's your entire set up

they just never bothered to explain that anywhere

fun times

[dreamy elk]

Agh. That's silly. Thanks mang.

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[dreamy elk]

Also, is grieftorch now breaking its channel on movement an intentional thing? Because it sucks if so. 😦

[trail tree]

arent almost all channels broken on movement?

like puzzle box gets cancelled too if you move

[dreamy elk]

Grieftorch did not used to. You could move or jump with it.

While it was channeling.

[trail tree]

oh hm weird then

[dreamy elk]

Stopped being able to do so after one of the recent hotfixes, not even the reset.

[trail tree]

could be a stealth nerf ig

[glacial cloud]

do i have to recraft my Lariat/Dagger, when i have put Crit and Vers on it for assassination?

[lavish wing]

Yes

[thorn crater]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gda673xqwRphU5a1jq7X2E can someone explain to me this apl ? 😛 i know its for dungeon slice but im so confused as to what the bot is doing

[glacial cloud]

ahhh, what pain

[prisma carbon]

Grieftorch ruined. I would rather die than cancel a cast of it. 😡

[dreamy elk]

If you died, you'd at least get to use it again shortly after your battle res. 😦

[lavish wing]

Pre-CoS 🤣

[strange python]

what flask and food do we use in raid ?

there's nothing in faq

[fleet imp]

versa if heavy damage taken else rage

[strange python]

iced phial of corrupting rage ?

[cunning locust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[spare bear]

question so im doing raid for first time on rogue. would it be worth using IC/KB on council for the dot spread and crimson tempest as opposed to DTB?

[half light]

Hello! I read the proposed changes for rogue tree in *.5, would that make it impossible now to use the current builds? I really like kingsbane but seems kinda weird that the talent it's gonna replace it in that place is more focused to aoe, no? or what do you think?

[ripe stag]

KB/IC I feel scales better during Council.

[hexed root]

does lariat just randomly pick one or just majority?

[gusty mirage]

randomly picks one

[ripe stag]

As long as you don’t fudge your rotation up.

[hexed root]

you could? I always got snared essentially, couldn't move at all

[dreamy elk]

@hexed root You're right. But you could at least hit your WASD or whatever without breaking the channel (or jump). Now it breaks the moment you do anything more than turn.

[grim jay]

so we call for PI BEFORE puzzle now, not after?

[hexed root]

not for me lol I would use it, swirls appear and try to wasd out and panic cloak or something else to interrupt it lol just my experience

it was very inconsistent for me, sometimes I'd be moving with it still casting but 90% of the time I was just cemented in place unless cast interrupteed

[half light]

so, for puzzle box, if for opener I use it at 3s before pull (so I have a global to enter stealth), is that okay? or would it be better right after setting most things up in the opener?

[grim jay]

sis

pins

[vital reef]

Crap - can anyone see which trinket sim'ed best?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vcGZizbCHFhzgBGJ8m2hES

They are all squished together

[grim jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vcGZizbCHFhzgBGJ8m2hES/simc

[slim hamlet]

just do a new sim

that shit is cursed

[grim jay]

look at my link

[vital reef]

Nice!

[grim jay]

there is a button for "full html report"

[thorny pond]

You have a sword on

[vital reef]

This is saying a 408 controlled current is better than a 415 whetstone/hunger. Seems right?

probably

Yea for the "right now" sim - which isnt really part of the sim

I'm testing theoretical builds I'd reasonably have while progging on Ras

so cant use the two BIS trinkets - Manic and controlled Mythic as we wouldnt really farm those

[thorny pond]

Box

[vital reef]

I had box in the sim, but its not in the after report for some reason

But yea - Box 315 + X

[thorny pond]

I would sim what you have. CTT is a good trinket

Icon

[vital reef]

I'm just suprised a 408 > 415 M+ Trinket, but I guess I shouldnt be too suprised as our attack speed is so fast

[thorny pond]

Hunger and Box are "easily" farmable

rather, repeatable content

[supple snow]

so what is Improved shiv going to do now? since the 20% nature dmg is removed

[simple remnant]

applies an extra dot of your non lethal poison

[supple snow]

it does that right now aswell, does it not?

I mean our baseline shiv does it. I think

[simple remnant]

yeah im pretty sure its getting more modifiers on it when taking the improved shiv talent

after the nature dmg removal

[supple snow]

was wondering what they are 😄 was a bit confused when I read the only thing improved shiv does is removed

haha

unless they put the remove enrage on improved shiv and taken away from baseline. which doesn't make much sense to me

[drowsy parcel]

grieftorch cancels on movement wtf is going on

[simple remnant]

ive seen 2 different things, both are probably wrong, 1st was it will apply a second stack of your current equipped poisons, 2nd was shiv will apply your non equipped non lethal poisons to the target.

[supple snow]

we don't get a third non lethal, and the two we have are always equipped so that can't be right.

[fading wigeon]

It was hot fixed

[supple snow]

the other one may be fun, but still not sure. like another stack of 3.6% dmg reduction on a big dmg inc. not that bad. but that's there is to it then

[simple remnant]

yeah thats why i said both are probably wrong, and a second stack of your equipped poisons would be very nice with dragon tempered blades so i cant see it, would be to fun

[supple snow]

can't wait to see what they do with it though. the changes seem pretty good regardless

[simple remnant]

i feel bad for the pvp nerfs incoming with the 40% garrote nerf but i agree

[supple snow]

that's a big one. but with 40% to garrote they may need to buff rupture / mark dmg for pvp again.

probably a bit too much

[shut owl]

Where is shiv losing it's improved nature damage?

[supple snow]

10.0.5

[simple remnant]

i would love to see the deathmark 30% nerf undone with this new 40% garrote nerf, it makes it extremely hard to hit those kill targets if you arent running 45% mastery

[shut owl]

Weird

[supple snow]

yeah. they nerfed DM cause of the high dmg which will be already fixed with the nerf to garrote.

makes sense if they undo it

[supple snow]

yup. have to see what it will be replaced with

right now, it's a dead node

[polar fjord]

Does anyone know if the Draenei heal takes you out of stealth?

[simple remnant]

it should take you out of stealth

[vital reef]

Will Assassination no longer be the king of Single Target?

[simple remnant]

we will be switching from heavy bleeds to, shadowdance double poison build

[pale plank]

[undone eagle]

guys Torch + Windscar or controlled current technique for m+ ? 🙂

[midnight phoenix]

Deathmark

IF i have garrote and Rupture on does it automatically duplicate it

Or is it Deathmark > Garrote> rupture to get 2 stacks of each bleed

[lavish wing]

This

[tawdry dust]

Anyone knows the reason why they practical deleted shiv?
Or ist it just a spec thing and assa still gets the poison amp

[midnight phoenix]

Ty

[gusty mirage]

they did not delete shiv

is still there

[tawdry dust]

Look at the Screenshot its crossed out

For ptr

[thorny pond]

yes they made a shiv capstone and deleted shiv

[gusty mirage]

I don't need to look at the screenshot, default shiv never had the nature damage amp

[tawdry dust]

That was my question. Its a spec thing.

[gusty mirage]

correct

[tawdry dust]

Alright

[agile geode]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[scarlet sable]

any vid guides u guys recommend for Sin

ST

Kingsbane

[thorny pond]

Just the above guides. Video guides tend to go out of date quickly and are quite a bit of work

[ionic fox]

Where's this garrote nerf @simple remnant ?

[placid cobalt]

whats the word on the assa changes? could it become the play in dungeons or nah?

[errant willow]

It's definitly playable the 5th best rogue in raiderio only plays assassinatiob

[sullen hollow]

it is already lol

[polar gull]

Damn I was being lazy and using the shiv tea macro....now I'll actually have to manage my tea!? What am I British

[storm onyx]

PvP multiplayer by .6, will be next patch

To imp.garrote

[autumn valve]

Little question, I'm a beginner on rogue, this buff means that I have to send all my finishing blows (envenomed, rupture etc) at 2 combo points and not 7?

[shut owl]

it means that if your CP count is at that charged node, you can finish there instead and save a few builder casts

not super worth chasing for them, but as you practice you should get more and more used to landing on them

and then lining up things like your garrote refresh to get the last one and the like

[autumn valve]

Oh ok I get it, during this buff my spells are as effective at 2 CP as they are at 7.

[shut owl]

yes

though its a one-off thing

[polar gull]

One time at 2cp, one time at 3, and one time at 4

[shut owl]

so once you use the 2cp node, its gone until the next echo

[autumn valve]

Oh yeah 3 charges.

[lusty surge]

The buff is so long you have ample opportunity to hit them all

I would miss one occasionally when it was 4 charged but almost never now

[half light]

my bad, didn't know there was a pin regarding that part! Thanks!

[autumn valve]

I understand better now, it's indeed a very good cd and it saves a lot of energy, sorry for this stupid question. ^^'

[polar gull]

21 cp worth of finisher for 9 cp

[lusty surge]

The default ui and most WA packs also change any charged combopoints to a different color

Easier than staring at your buffs

[coral rivet]

!log

[knotty lotus]

is there any plate addons that make it easy to track bleeds and click target

[coral rivet]

can somebody review me 🥺

[autumn valve]

a big thank you to you for these explanations, and sorry for my approximate English

[sonic schooner]

Love 🦇

[shut owl]

all good, its what the discords for

[warm void]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/t6bI_B9wi

[shut owl]

that ones a banger

[scarlet sable]

Is ER always on CD until we sync with exsang

[balmy condor]

yes

[scarlet sable]

dont hold for kingsbane?

word

[balmy condor]

why would holding for kingsbane matter

[scarlet sable]

idk just started with sin

[balmy condor]

I see

yeah there's no interaction there

[errant swallow]

Good evening

Anyone else excited for 10.0.5 M+?

[balmy condor]

not really

it's just 10.0 but you might play the new talent in 2 dungeons

it's better, fun little improvement

but it isn't some massive shift

[knotty lotus]

ty ill try it out

[subtle tundra]

even worse. you might play dtb so no kb

[balmy condor]

yah but it's better?

[subtle tundra]

less skill

no more kb thinking

i like kb

[balmy condor]

less skill more damage?

[subtle tundra]

yea

[balmy condor]

isn't that....

what people wanted?

[subtle tundra]

but those are numbers

[vestal cliff]

hey guys how is the ruby whelp shell trinket?

[balmy condor]

meh at best

[vestal cliff]

i have the shell 395 or horn of valor 385

[subtle tundra]

sim buddy

[vestal cliff]

true

[restive spire]

If I'm playing primal council as ass should i be maintaining garrote and rupture on all 4 targets outside of IC

or is it more dps to just maintain on 1 or 2 and spam crimson tempest

[balmy condor]

yes

[cold rampart]

!logs

[lavish wing]

Are we ever gonna be able to do full execute or 2/3 zold will be the best for ST

Or maybe not taking SBS for the 3/3 Zoldyk

[polar gull]

I did that sim once, to see how much I'd lose but have 1 less thing to press...you want SBS

[gilded oasis]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[raw raft]

i'd cry without sbs in raid, sbs for combo points instead of mutilate

[covert basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[brazen zodiac]

[echo cargo]

Never full 😦

[lavish wing]

Hmm alright

Im a big fan of execute tho

[regal hamlet]

i mean youre free to take it, you're going to do less dps though. possibly even less during execute

[balmy condor]

you can go 3/3

you would need to drop either sbs or shrouded for it

but a poison dtb build for example that doesn't take shrouded

would be able to 3/3

[lavish wing]

Aye, its gonna be a sim time once 10.0.5 hits the road

[trail tree]

would we use AP with DTB in 10.0.5?

20% bleed bonus for 8 seconds seems kinda decent

[lavish wing]

I think, if not going for IC, at least CT would be required for AP

[vestal wren]

give it some time

😉

there might be apl optimizations

[trail tree]

trueeee

and me being dumb i can just wait for them

[vestal wren]

you can do this in the meantime

and play around with the talent calculator to see what could end up being a reasonable build

[trail tree]

good shout

[rain oyster]

I have 50% crit when my lariat procs in raid. stats are fuuucked. 6k crit

[thorn fjord]

Ey @gusty mirage you’re my favorite

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

I enjoyed your latest pin lol

[balmy condor]

right now it doesn't look like it

[earnest imp]

ugh

how much attack power 1 agility gives

Not many things mention attack power anymore, trying to get an understanding on orc racial strength

[steel ridge]

iirc its 1:1

[earnest imp]

ty

[lofty junco]

tbh only thing that i dislike atm on assa is ER

[teal bloom]

I think er is a fun ability

[earnest imp]

i like it too

[past grove]

Hello, I just made the switch from Outlaw to Sin and saw there are 2 builds for m+ and 2 for raids. The execute raid build is for Terros I assume? Which m+ build would you guys recommend?

[lofty junco]

it just reminds me of SL

[steel ridge]

ER is

[trim dirge]

i love er

[grim jay]

you could potentially just read the faq

[upper spear]

coming back to Assassin after Nyalotha, think my brains about to melt

[vestal wren]

try a dragon tempered blades combo

[indigo epoch]

i do enjoy the DTB/M+ build

just fun to play, downright relaxing

[grim jay]

its not that bad after you tried the opener/burst rotation a couple of times, everything else is just keeping stuff up