assassination

[next herald]

Even with 394

Maybe I just lack mastery only 32%

[autumn frost]

What's your ilvl?

[next herald]

394

[autumn frost]

I"m 399 and pulling 50-60k in mythic/raid

[next herald]

Single target

I’ve got no op trinkets

[autumn frost]

What do your sims put you at?

[shut owl]

bear in mind if you are testing on dummy you should sim dummy as well

[next herald]

How do you sim that?

[shut owl]

choose target dummy instead of patchwerk on raidbots

if theres a huge disparity between that sim and your personal test its probably a user error

[next herald]

Okay nice so I should be able to match the bot or very close

[autumn frost]

Did they update the armor on the dummy?

[balmy condor]

unless you're hitting a dummy from like wrath

yes

[broken ibex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[unique laurel]

What would be classed as a huge disparity? And can we avoid the vanish resetting details.

[shut owl]

reset overall before starting and then look at overall

I dunno what would be huge disparity tbh lol

if you're simming 42k and landing 40k thats probably decent enough? how pefect do ya wanna play

I'm not an expert 😛

[unique laurel]

Hey hey all good 👍 just wanted to see what someone else thought as huge. I was roughly in the same ball park you were thinking

[unique laurel]

Completely forgot about overall.

[shut owl]

I'm of the general opinion that if you're hitting 90% of your sim on a dummy you probably need practice during mechanical nonsense and aiming for consistency more than aiming for that last 5% in a clean room environment

got to learn eggs on diurna today and that just threw my everything offkilter for a few pulls lol

especially trying to work storm boon in XD

[gusty mirage]

hey guys

I have an idea for raid

why don't we put ice everywhere

so it's slippery

they could call it Winter Wonderland instead of Fated this time around

[hot chasm]

Grappling hook spec

[gusty mirage]

wouldn't it be FUN?

[drifting cloud]

im enjoying ice age ark of rh

ngl

just opened whispyr stream for 10s saw him fly off right next to the safespot rock

[topaz bluff]

Just add storming affix to the raid 🙃

[shut owl]

just for you oxi, I'm gonna go message blizzard and ask that the second raid be an entire wing of ice, with each downed boss adding a stacking 50% of "grip reduction"

[undone glen]

I can't take it anymore

[wind condor]

is it worth holding DM for the minute waiting for Music box?

or do you naked DM without it

[drifting cloud]

it is if you wont lose casts because of it

[upbeat needle]

KB on Heroic Raz?

there's no shield, right?

[topaz bluff]

It's there an optimal graphics setting to see storming in M+? I find that with character+mob clutter (vault puddles) combined with storming puddles I can't see crap half the time on default ultra. I've tried tinkering a bit, but I don't really know what to tinker...

[viscid spear]

And then the achievement for clearing the raid with the Ice Floors on every boss would be called [The Floor Is...Ice?]

[vapid sierra]

how do you guys easily target swap on big packs

apart using tab

[balmy condor]

click nameplate

[vapid sierra]

rip

[brazen zodiac]

double click

[raw raft]

good lord Sennarth is miserable

[gusty mirage]

I'M

HAVING

A

BLAST

https://tenor.com/view/ice-skating-japanese-falling-over-funny-gif-10543268

[drifting cloud]

⛸️ offical emote of rh

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[tough atlas]

when do you guys use grieftorch on your opener?

[drifting cloud]

before dm

[tough atlas]

thanks!

[raw raft]

don't worry guys my entire raid died

easy grey parse

[ebon notch]

@bleak sky DEAD ON SPIDER AS DH

[bleak sky]

?

[vapid sierra]

any talents swap to make when going into a aoe boss?

or do i just run a m+ biuild

like for eranog/kurog

[gusty mirage]

eranog is not an aoe boss

[bleak sky]

if eranog adds are living long enough for an assa rogue to touch it you have issues

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slippery-play-gif-15779250

[bleak sky]

AYO

[pastel onyx]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/fBb569LLGGKmOO8KCW/giphy.mp4?cid=73b8f7b1db97f4677ba37d03eca8fb8e23bf710f083b2c35&rid=giphy.mp4&ct=g

[oak sky]

Sbs cp for free baby

Free garrote on big add and toss a boner

Gg

[vapid sierra]

then like kurog adds

[oak sky]

Just vr before the pull i dont get it

[vapid sierra]

or like sennarth or raz

[oak sky]

Kurog isnt an aoe boss either its a 2 target boss

Sennarth is an st boss

[gusty mirage]

if you're playing assassination on raz or sennarth your job is boss damage

you help with adds in between cds

[oak sky]

Raz only st really matters

[gusty mirage]

as for kurog

same thing

if your group needs help with adds

then you'd be better off playing outlaw

[oak sky]

Dtb bleed

[gusty mirage]

on raz?

[oak sky]

No

Kurog

And sennarth

[gusty mirage]

wahoo

an extra 5% cleave damage

[oak sky]

Makes your garrotes BANG

[gusty mirage]

you're really making a difference

[oak sky]

30% buff to your entire 2t damage

• shrouded suff

[vapid sierra]

so i just run the raid build and make sure i got all dots up on both targets for someone like kurog?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[oak sky]

Poison still sims higher for me in pure st but no shot i ever go poison on an add boss

[gusty mirage]

if there's constant 2+ target cleave

you could justify taking crimson tempest

[oak sky]

I think i was hearing ct might not be worth?

For kurog

Not positive though

[gusty mirage]

dunno

I don't look up fights

[oak sky]

I just sim the bosses usually

And use the build that has a good sim

[gusty mirage]

you sim the bosses?

[oak sky]

I mean

Council yes

[gusty mirage]

so you build a custom raid event

[oak sky]

4t patchwerk

[gusty mirage]

to mimic the bosses?

[oak sky]

Kurog

2t patchwerk

No i just have a shred of critical thinking

[gusty mirage]

so you don't sim the bosses

got it

you sim the targets you expect for that boss fight

[oak sky]

I mean sure

[gusty mirage]

I mean words matter

[oak sky]

Thats so different

[gusty mirage]

it's not a "sure" moment

"Simming the bosses" != "simming the number of targets"

[oak sky]

Not sure why youre on me but

Yeah

Youre right

As always

[gusty mirage]

I'm not trying to be on you

I want people to clear with their words because judging by the amount of questions we get

and people saying "I thought I read"

we need to be better about it

all of us do

not just you

[oak sky]

Yeah yeah i sim the boss targets and use my brain to say if bleed sims = to poison then bleed is better when you add targets

[gusty mirage]

anyway

[oak sky]

Thats the actual correct statement

[gusty mirage]

sennarth is a dogshit boss

and whoever designed it

[oak sky]

Agree

[gusty mirage]

needs to be fired

like

as of yesterday

it's not even hard

it's just awful

[oak sky]

We moved our prog to monday because we had dcs every pull

Might die

Hope it does

[gusty mirage]

we missed out chance

maybe tuesday

oh well

no 2 mythic boxes

[oak sky]

:/

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

We dont have dekai

Because his power went out

[gusty mirage]

its okay

you will power them through

cuz youre built diffy

you're better

faster

stronger

cuter

[oak sky]

(Geared) as of yesterday

[gusty mirage]

@oak sky vault check?

[oak sky]

Mythic heroic heroic 21 17 17

[ebon notch]

Oxi sennarth is free

Wdym

[gusty mirage]

yo

I heard you didn't know to shadowstep the pull

so shut the fuck up

[oak sky]

Bro you just

[ebon notch]

Yeah then I learnt it

[oak sky]

Fall off the edge then step

[ebon notch]

So?

I didn't know it wouldn't just no path found me

And kill me

[oak sky]

But stepping is bad at some points because it puts you in a bad spot

[ebon notch]

But oxi in a mood today so w,e

[ebon notch]

Yeah then gotta cloak and hope you don't die

[gusty mirage]

am I?

you legit came in

[oak sky]

Or you can just get off the boss and hit the rock

[ebon notch]

Looks like it bud

[gusty mirage]

and just go "lol its free"

daps

[ebon notch]

Yeah it's not a particularly hard boss

[gusty mirage]

go back to outlaw bro

[drifting cloud]

anvil killed terros!!

[oak sky]

Free doesnt mean free for guild

[ebon notch]

Kierons guild killed it in less pulls than is

Us*

[gusty mirage]

thanks bro

[oak sky]

Fuuuck theyre catching up to us

[gusty mirage]

you've enlightened me

[ebon notch]

Which parts do you not enjoy

[gusty mirage]

all of it?

[oak sky]

All of it

[ebon notch]

Insane dude

[oak sky]

Swirlies are stupid

[ebon notch]

Such nuance

[oak sky]

Getting dced

Sliding around

[gusty mirage]

thanks bro

[oak sky]

Getting pulled

Running

[gusty mirage]

just like your 2 cents that no one asked for

[ebon notch]

Lmao

Haven't gotten dced yet

How did it happen to you

[oak sky]

We had multiple every pull last night

[drifting cloud]

they had alot of issues might be server based or some shit

[gusty mirage]

you weren't the only ones

[drifting cloud]

because we had 0 again today on rekill

[oak sky]

It might have just been tich?

Im not sure

[gusty mirage]

nah

[ebon notch]

Probs server based

[gusty mirage]

happened to a friend on ZJ

and on illidan

[ebon notch]

Even our DHs flying across the platform didn't DC

So

[oak sky]

Well

We had multiple different people dc every pull

[ebon notch]

Did you see that bug? Where you just fly across the room

[gusty mirage]

yea happened to our DH

then he teleported inside the platform

lol

like under the boss

[ebon notch]

Not vibes

[oak sky]

I dced like 3 times

But like people were fucking up anyways so like

We couldve done prog anyways

[ebon notch]

We found a bug where if someone tries to trade you an item and your inventory is full you DC both people

[oak sky]

We moved because everyone was still available

[nocturne current]

@balmy condor

[oak sky]

For monday

[nocturne current]

[bleak sky]

ice not allowing me to dash

[upbeat needle]

what is this build

[bleak sky]

you see

if i have the SLIGHTEST momentum going in any direction, if I fel rush i stay in place

so I have to double jump and dash

because single jump doesn't work

[gusty mirage]

small indie company

[gusty mirage]

fel hammer is that way traitor ->

[bleak sky]

eat my hole

[gusty mirage]

okay? why threaten me with a good time

[balmy condor]

it's kb, without exsang

[vapid sierra]

why do all the top logs for kurog take exsanguiate

[balmy condor]

[vapid sierra]

whyspr is playing exsanguiate

[novel arrow]

Just popped a Potion of Withering Vitality for the first time..... Died from full Hp. Ez clap .

Literally throwing

[upbeat needle]

what would you swap to

MA, Tiny Toxic?

[balmy condor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

there's a KB bleed no exsang build there

you can look at it

[upbeat needle]

oh shit i didn't know u had it in sheet

ty

[scarlet sable]

first learning sin

tempest or kingsbane

[velvet bison]

try both

[bitter aurora]

is there a dtb build with CT for M Grimtotem?

[drifting cloud]

when I asked cev he said CT isnt worth it for grimtotem

[bitter aurora]

ooof ok thanks for letting me know

[lucid birch]

goodnight

[spice spire]

Gn

[brazen zodiac]

gn

[cerulean nest]

how do sims handle grieftorch on ST?

just on CD with no deaths?

[balmy condor]

yep

[oak sky]

it gets out of hand when people die

[solemn marsh]

what the best assassination spec for raz? seems maybe double capstone?

[oak sky]

[cerulean nest]

yeah i just got the normal off the weekly and it sims lower than what I have, but i figure its value is probably more than that in a real situation

[balmy condor]

kb

[floral slate]

For the ST KB build do I use Deadly or Amp poison?

[velvet bison]

amp

[balmy condor]

amp > deadly

[pastel onyx]

instant?

[balmy condor]

instant and wound are not poisons

[floral slate]

I figured since if we didn't want amp we'd just take twist the knife

[balmy condor]

smart

[floral slate]

I have my very rare moments

[umbral rapids]

dude lmao

[gentle apex]

bro how am I grey parsing in every rogue spec

[cloud dune]

Because you're switching between specs you don't know instead of learning one

[balmy condor]

skill issue

[brazen zodiac]

yep

[warped hatch]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[vapid sierra]

so lets say theres two targets, and your running full st build, do you maintain all dots on both (garrote, rupture, envonem, sbs, shiv, etc)

[echo geyser]

shiv and envenom are not rly dots or am i missing something new in DF

[vapid sierra]

idk

first time

[tender juniper]

Hello , if I refresh my bleed during buff on me or debuff on boss. My new bleed will be boost during all the Time of bleed ? Or boost fade when my buff or debuff’s boss fade ?
Ty for your help

[velvet bison]

env buffed u

[echo geyser]

sbs garrote rupture for sure anyways

having more dots on multiple targets gives u more energy to play with

[velvet bison]

all bleeds have dynamic scaling

[vapid sierra]

kk ty

if i send a vid of me doing my rotation could you correct it?

[tender juniper]

So it isn’t like feral

[velvet bison]

idk, never played feral)

[oak sky]

bleeds are dynamic, the boost fades when the buff fades

the only thing that snapshots like that is haste when you press exsanguinate

[tender juniper]

Ty

[vapid sierra]

rotation check? i know i forgot to pop trink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwmdacUkW2E

still uploading F

[grim jay]

Logs generally are easier to review for most people

[vapid sierra]

ah

can it be a pic of details?

or does it have to be a combatlog

[grim jay]

An actual log

[vapid sierra]

ill grab one\

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yZbmThFJ8tf6zVjH/#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=13

[shell pollen]

you missed amp on weapon in this video

[vapid sierra]

amp on weapon?

[shell pollen]

put deadly and amp on weapon (poisons) with this talent build you can have both

[vapid sierra]

ah oopsies

apart that rotation fine?

idk why im parcing bad, must just be gear since im geared for outlaw

[shell pollen]

I would keep shiv for time when you have more energy not ~30, then you can spam more env. You have to manage energy

[trim zinc]

just use on cd

and save 1 charge for dm

dont care about pooling

[shell pollen]

👍

[trim zinc]

u exsang your death mark

thats suuuuper bad

u vanish and didnt garrote here

[surreal spear]

Whats the like go to stats to go for as assassination? Thinking m+ and i wanna go between sub and sin, would crit vers/mastery work for sin aswell? Vers goes instead of mastery due to higher keys mitigation

[oak sky]

crit mast is bis stats on sin for all content

haste is pretty good for single target but loses value in aoe

vers is sort of ok but mostly you would only take it for some damage reduction

[surreal spear]

Okay so same stats as sub, perfect thanks

[oak sky]

haste is definitely less bad compared to sub though

[surreal spear]

Ah yeah well some haste has Found its way due to certain rings and such Anyways Since i havent gotten the raid ones yet

Im at 3,8k crit, 3,2k mastery 1k vers and 1,5k haste

Crit usually at 4,4K with buzzing Runes

[vestal wren]

crit is by far the best stat on all 3 rogue specs

assassinaion does decide between haste and mastery as secondary

what stat you dip into depends on your talent build

also on your trinkets

e.g. puzzle box is soo strong that it can shift your stats slightly away from mastery

esp. when playing with exsang

so as a general rule, always go for crit and agi, mastery and haste both are good as 2nd investment

[rocky sluice]

is the puzzle box actually good?

when d you want to use it on the opener

[balmy condor]

it's our bis

[weak kraken]

Shhh... The pins will hear you

[balmy condor]

and there's openers in the faq

and a pin

[rocky sluice]

LOL oops

sorry

[tender cedar]

Hey guys we killed Terros yesterday and i was wondering what I can change in my rotation to deal more dps

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tkRWY1y2CarFZmhV#fight=19&type=damage-done&source=6

[grim jay]

Open a thread with !log

[tender cedar]

!log

Thank you 🙂

[neon oxide]

80% garrote uptime kinda yikes

[deep meteor]

Hi, when you are playing DTB Bleed w/ exsang build, with puzzle box, do you strictly use it with deathmark? or after opener your sync it with exsang?

[balmy condor]

you sync both puzzle box and exsang together with deathmark

[tender cedar]

Okay then I have to focus more on my uptimes

[deep meteor]

so you don't use exsang on cd anymore?

[balmy condor]

it's about the same either way

but it's just easier to sync everything together

[deep meteor]

aight, ty

[quartz spade]

!log

[strange python]

Parsing kurog is...odd

[elfin forge]

Would anyone know how I'd set up Amp poison to show stacks like this?

[strange python]

Is it even worth playing around amp poison?

[balmy condor]

would need to set up a progress bar and then custom code in the min and max values based on stacks

but like

why

you don't play around it at all

you just want a weakaura that shows pretty numbers?

there's plenty of those

[elfin forge]

Was just curious if its even possible to make such a WA. You are right though, if we don't play around it, then I probs don't even need to know the stack count at all.

[balmy condor]

of course it's possible to make a weakaura like that

[marble hemlock]

Gonna revive my kingsbane WA that shows stacks

Even though it's completely meaningless info

[viscid spear]

Only as meaningless as you make it seem.

[balmy condor]

it's not meaningless, I get to blame my bad kingsbane ramp for my green parse

[marble hemlock]

Ye like mine y'day on kurog

Last 4 ticks noncrit

why do legion WAs

show as

http://puu.sh/JvUk4/0f643444c0.jpg

[balmy condor]

FFXIV WEAKAURAS POGGGGGGGG

[marble hemlock]

but ye i mean

when you see the KB WA ramp to 15 stacks within the first 4 seconds

you know its a good day

[timber basalt]

what build would you guys recommend for +16 academy

[balmy condor]

kbic

[timber basalt]

do i need to take carnage for tree

[balmy condor]

you take kbic

[marble hemlock]

just like you wanna go back to bed when you fok 4times and CT 4 times and half the pack still doesnt have DP up despite you having envenom active

also, since when did garrote and rupture casts have a chance to proc poisons

[balmy condor]

since forever

but then it was bugged

[marble hemlock]

no sir

[balmy condor]

and then they fixed it

[marble hemlock]

definitely not

[balmy condor]

seli we had !poisonbug

for like

[marble hemlock]

mouseover rupture/garrote never procced poisons

[balmy condor]

an expansion

[marble hemlock]

yeah

so

if its bugged for 2+ years

its not a bug, its a feature

[balmy condor]

yeah

sub being shit all of bfa was a feature I guess

[strange python]

Hey

[marble hemlock]

yes

[strange python]

It was also shit in Nathria

[lucid birch]

Hey

[oak meadow]

grabs popcorn

[marble hemlock]

whispyr

[strange python]

I've already gone on my "blizzard nerfs rogues for being moderately strong and ignores warlocks" rant in sub channel tho

[timber basalt]

is ic cooldown synced to germinate cooldown now, would you know?

[marble hemlock]

what do you think of this

[balmy condor]

its not

[marble hemlock]

scent of blood - in addition to its current effect, allows you to apply a second stack of rupture. this is a buff.

[timber basalt]

so i assume hold for 2nd/4th germinate then

[marble hemlock]

that way youd get 6% agi on st instead of 3

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

and the dmg from a 2nd rupture

and itd be cool on 2-3t cleave

[balmy condor]

yeh pretty much

[marble hemlock]

too

you think itd be too op?

[balmy condor]

I think it's not good gameplay

[limber lion]

It would have the issue of one single point giving ultimate power and the 2nd and 3rd points giving next to none

[marble hemlock]

well

[limber lion]

So you'd play Scent of Blood in single target as well with one point

[marble hemlock]

make the 2nd rupture deal damage at 33/66/100% efficiency

[balmy condor]

I mean, we're ignoring the fact that seli literally just invented deathmark but only for rupture and somehow even clunkier

so you're telling me I get deathmark passively on rupture

but I also have to track two ruptures at the same time?

and which does it refresh? the lowest duration one?

[marble hemlock]

yes

yes

[balmy condor]

that's stupid

[marble hemlock]

no u

i just want assa to be good at 2-3t cleave again

dont judge me

[oak meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/colbert-popcorn-popcorn-stephen-colbert-eat-popcorn-popcorn2020-gif-16075618

[marble hemlock]

dot class sucking ass at multitarget

[balmy condor]

that wouldn't even help

[marble hemlock]

is a human rights violation

[limber lion]

quad rupture during deathmark

[balmy condor]

in 3 target you already have your hands full with CT and 3 ruptures

how are you going to get 3 more ruptures out

[marble hemlock]

with a positive mental attitude

[balmy condor]

yeah and now max pandemic both of them for exsang

[scenic sky]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-confused-what-rabbit-cute-gif-15285567

[balmy condor]

figure that one out and come back to me with a 25 step opener I want it on my desk by monday morning thanks

[marble hemlock]

well

exsang would be gone

obviously

[viscid spear]

[marble hemlock]

if we're living in an utopia, exsang obviously doesnt exist anymore

[subtle tundra]

Hi whispyr

[marble hemlock]

we took it out back and shot it 762 times

each

[strange python]

[viscid spear]

||die exsang die||

[balmy condor]

seli respectfully I haven't gone to bed but this conversation is making me feel like I just woke up

[strange python]

Can I go back to being upset that sin got nerfed in week 1 of vault for being 2% ahead but aff never got nerfed in Nathria and destro was 16% ahead of the pack in sepulcher?

[marble hemlock]

the only thing i want you to do to me respectfully isnt legal in 34 states

[limber lion]

double them and pass it on to the next person

[marble hemlock]

crimes of the past shouldnt excuse crimes of the present

we should be happy that theyre taking a faster tuning approach

as long as its consistent

for the rest of the expac

[strange python]

That was the excuse we gave when sub went from giga to f tier in Nathria beta too tho

[marble hemlock]

who gives a fuck about sub

pvp spec

[oak meadow]

So i guess there should be a class tuning this week ?

[balmy condor]

doubtful

[marble hemlock]

blizzard maximum confirmed shadow changes, at least

[strange python]

😦 it's always "good we have more reactive tuning now" when rogue nerfed. And always silence when warlocks buffed/left OP

[balmy condor]

oh

well yeah the shadow stuff

idk if it's much bigger though

[marble hemlock]

doubt it

[strange python]

I'm dreading/expecting rogue nerfs.

[oak meadow]

What shadow stuff ? 🤔

[strange python]

Because of general community sentiment

[lucid birch]

they should buff ele i think but I’m a casual

[limber lion]

Don't get it twisted, Sub was also literally broken in the beta and had an insane feedback loop. It was never good, they just fixed a bug that it had.

[strange python]

There was an iteration of sub post bugfix that was good and still got nerfed by another 10%

[limber lion]

Good

[strange python]

It also spent 3 years as the unmitigated worst spec in the game

[limber lion]

Yeah? Well Assa was bad for one patch so yeah that's nothing

[strange python]

Fires like, the 8th worst spec for four days and gets hotfix buffed.

[balmy condor]

yeah I love that bug they fixed where dance had 2 charges baseline and +1 with a talent, but then they cut it down to 1 + 1 so the single dance build was fucking trash for like 2 expansions and then they got rid of dance entirely and made sub beg for it's life

[strange python]

I'm just tired of rogues being nerfed for some explained criteria that never seems to apply to mages and warlocks.

And no, I don't want to play a warlock then.

[subtle tundra]

Hmm? Did rogue get more nerfs?

[marble hemlock]

thats fair, im tired of people whining about warlock/mage/boomy tuning compared to rogue

[subtle tundra]

Other than the 3%

[viscid spear]

meanwhile Frost Mage has been built around Ice Lance for two expansions

[balmy condor]

no he's just dooming

[marble hemlock]

warlock kinda dogshit atm

[strange python]

No I'm still salty about week 1 sin nerfs because sin was 2% ahead of the pack on week 1/heroic week

[limber lion]

Rogue gets stealth nerfed everytime someone complains about tuning

[burnt latch]

Weird take rogues been fine for a long time

[subtle tundra]

Damn that's my job. Too bad I havent been playing

[marble hemlock]

rogue one of the strongest dps classes in the game rn

"but muh warlocks"

[balmy condor]

yeh your job has been replaced sorry

[sonic spindle]

I’m tired of being so bad at the game I can’t enjoy being one of the strongest dps in the game

[subtle tundra]

It's fine Ill come back stronger

[limber lion]

I'm only #2 in boss dps now, it's actually tragic

[viscid spear]

Buddy all 3 spec are doing better than Fire & Frost

[strange python]

Except...yes. Warlocks ran 23% ahead of the pack in Nathria and 16% ahead in sepulcher and go untouched. Sin is 2% ahead for a week and gets a nerf.

[subtle tundra]

Also outlaw 2t being stronger than assa is stupid.

[burnt latch]

Those sound like made up numbers

Source: trust me bro

[subtle tundra]

I love misinformation

[burnt latch]

Its the best

[strange python]

I forgot that there's no widely used and publicly available statistics for this game. My b. Good tho

[oak meadow]

I feel like its a bait at this point attention seeking perhaps ?

[balmy condor]

yes hello I would like to complain too, how come we still don't have the technology to stop my herbs from despawning 3 inches in front of my face

[burnt latch]

Has to be bait

Bait or american

[strange python]

There's a dev actively despawning them when you get there

[limber lion]

Bro's down bad

Picking herbs

[verbal mantle]

you literally cant complain at rogue balance rn

[balmy condor]

yeah bro I'm making a beautiful bouquet for your mom later today

[sonic spindle]

I don’t like echoing reprimand

[strange python]

I mean you can if you read the context but that's a lot to ask during EU hours 🙂

[oak meadow]

Pftt imagine picking herbs when u are nerfed by 3%

[sonic spindle]

This complaining spree is fun

[burnt latch]

Oh he’s american guys its solved

[verbal mantle]

please find other ways to relax instead of spitting here

[limber lion]

Beautiful bouquet for a beautiful mama, very thoughtful of you

[balmy condor]

of course, what else am I gonna do at 3 in the morning

you think I'm stupid enough to queue oceanic keys?

[marble hemlock]

my new bathrobe is so fluffy i wanna wear it all the time

[balmy condor]

what's stopping you

[verbal mantle]

groceries time, need something guys?

[balmy condor]

almond milk

[verbal mantle]

aye

[burnt latch]

I got forced to leave the house and go downtown

[viscid spear]

WoW Devs, probably

[burnt latch]

Not a vibe

[oak meadow]

Doing keys while in bathrobe is like 10% increased dmg let me you

[marble hemlock]

nothing

yeah but being nude is 15%

[burnt latch]

Dont know if i function with humans anymore havent seen one in 3 weeks

[balmy condor]

it's a well known fact seli doesn't stream with pants on

well

[sonic spindle]

Ew sweaty buttcheeks on my pleather dxracer

[balmy condor]

he doesn't actually stream at all

but when he doesn't, he makes sure to not have pants

[marble hemlock]

how do you think

[oak meadow]

Yeah can barely catch him on

[marble hemlock]

ive been blasting keys all this time

🫃

[limber lion]

@burnt latch how much do you sim with your disgusting gear mister

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

idk according to my chat with KB and bone spike for some reason

[burnt latch]

Which spec

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JvUoc/499af8b125.jpg

[limber lion]

do you play other specs?

outlaw/assa, any

[burnt latch]

I play all 3

[limber lion]

poggo

[subtle tundra]

L

[strange python]

You live in California how dare you

[verbal mantle]

where stream

[limber lion]

hit us with a juicy assa sim

[burnt latch]

I think my assa sim was like 81,5 or sth

[subtle tundra]

Means you play outlaw

[marble hemlock]

ive streamed twice, so more than in the 6months prior

[limber lion]

oh okay that's not too bad

[balmy condor]

am I not allowed to be lactose intolerant in california

[marble hemlock]

fem is back to working

[timid dagger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[wispy summit]

I find my ST dmg to be a bit lackluster compared to what other classes are doing. Might it be a gear/stat problem or just gitgud problem?

[marble hemlock]

so we only play like

tonight and monday

i thiunk

[subtle tundra]

Bro I sim 70k

[balmy condor]

usually both

[strange python]

Oat milk isn't taking all our water and killing all our bees

[wispy summit]

Oof

[burnt latch]

Yeah i have a 411 off hand and not the best optimzed gear for assa overall

[marble hemlock]

still unsure why people call assa bad in m+ tho

[burnt latch]

I think my outlaw sim is almost 80k

[marble hemlock]

unless theyre clueless

[balmy condor]

yeah and it tastes like dirt so

I'm gonna pass

[subtle tundra]

I'm so scared to look at other people's gear

[oak meadow]

Cuz mr streamer said outlaw is better

[subtle tundra]

I'm still 405

[burnt latch]

415 gang here

[subtle tundra]

[marble hemlock]

in what world is outlaw better

best m+ spec is sub, not outlaw

that fucking myth needs to die

on a pyre

[strange python]

No

[oak meadow]

Idk ask them

[sonic spindle]

Just like outlaw

[marble hemlock]

true

burn outlaw

[oak meadow]

Maybe cuz its easier i guess

[burnt latch]

Who said this

[wispy summit]

BF goes BRRRRR ha-ha 🙂

[strange python]

Tell them outlaw is best. Let outlaw be our scapegoat. Get outlaw nerfed.

[marble hemlock]

many many people say outlaw is best m+ spec rn

[balmy condor]

how do you expect to tell people that outlaw isn't the best spec when 15 out of the top 20 rogues on io leaderboards are either full on outlaw OTP's or bordering it

[burnt latch]

Many people also say subs the best. Both people are dumb

[wispy summit]

Prob cause it's alot easier and forgiving then sub?

[balmy condor]

also my herb despawned typing that can someone please fucking stop

[marble hemlock]

but

its not

why are people still saying sub is hard

that myth also needs to die

[burnt latch]

Subs easier tbh

[sonic spindle]

Before I came back to wow it did seem like all the “guides” and rogue reviews said outlaw was gonna still be the M+ go-to

[wispy summit]

I'm not saying sub is hard

[marble hemlock]

it was true in like

legion

but HO outlaw is actually not easy

[oak meadow]

Literally all these content creator just blast m+ tierlists and people blindly follows them

[wispy summit]

I'm saying toggling BF is by far easier

[strange python]

HO outlaw isn't hard, either.

[subtle tundra]

The only places outlaw can outdps me is dungeons on Tyra with many pulls with low HP mobs like temple

[strange python]

It's medium.

[burnt latch]

Whoevers claiming current sub is harder than current outlaw hasnt played both specs

[dark token]

having played all 3 specs in m+ and raid

sub is the easiest rn

[balmy condor]

outlaw is harder than sub

[dark token]

by a significant margin

outlaw is the hardest

[strange python]

Hardest part of HO outlaw is getting familiar with reroll logic and finishing rules around procs.

But current sub is extremely simple

[vestal wren]

hard and easy is difficult to quantify

[burnt latch]

Well, this tbh

[dark token]

i quantify it by how much do i have to stare at my rotation bars and think about my rotation to do optimal dps

[vestal wren]

outlaw is "hard" in that it can happen that you need to do qucik decisions

[burnt latch]

Different folks different strokes

[strange python]

Sin is genuinely the most complicated of the three specs atm

[dark token]

sub is literally chilling the whole time, repeat cycles of single dance

sin has a 20 key piano opener

[vestal wren]

what can be the case on subtlety with shuriken tornado or outlaw with 0.8 sec gcd

[dark token]

outlaw i have to focus a lot more to react to procs and weird stuff like vanish/SD rules

[vestal wren]

but hard can also just refer to button count

having a lot of buttons can alone make a spec hard

[dark token]

sub by FAR the easiest spec because it requires least attention to rotation and u can focus on m+/boss mechanics

[burnt latch]

Idk think if ud ask @limber lion which he finds easier outlaw or sin he’d probably have a different take. Cant really standardize

[vestal wren]

idk

[oak meadow]

U guys think sub is better than assa in lower keys we talking 14 16s still gearing

[vestal wren]

assassination has a fairly strict "game plan"

[strange python]

That's a lot of his comfort level though. Ease is more personal. But spec complexity? Sin has a lot more going on than outlaw rn

[limber lion]

Assa is definitely more prone to major fuck ups than Outlaw, but I think they're both different kind of difficult.

[dark token]

i have no idea how anyone says sin is harder than outlaw rn, doing outlaw keys and reacting to procs optimally while doing mechanics is actually quite difficult compared to sin if you dont wanna do garbage dps

[strange python]

Well keys aren't real content

[subtle tundra]

Not you again

[viscid spear]

[burnt latch]

Yeah different kind of difficult is a nice way of putting it

[strange python]

Diablo is the other game blizzard makes.

[vestal wren]

if anything you can say they all can be learned easy

[dark token]

they are harder than raid mechanics imo

keys

[vestal wren]

and if you want to min/max you have room to do so

[strange python]

If I wanted to do rifts, I'd do rifts.

[limber lion]

Difficulty is pretty subjective honestly. Some people have major issues with Assa on 2+ targets but find single target super duper easy, whilst some people think Outlaw is super easy and just whack-a-mole and some think it's super difficult because it's so fast

[subtle tundra]

[limber lion]

different things for different folk

[vestal wren]

subtlety min/max is positioning and knowlage mostly

[dark token]

rupture spreading optimally on sub really

is the only "skillful" thing imo

[vestal wren]

only exception is rly the aoe opener for subtlety

anyone who think subtlety is easy, just should blindly do it

[dark token]

u can do it with 1 button macro and get a 99% on primal council

[vestal wren]

if he can't get it right first try

subtlety is not easy

[dark token]

sure if you dont macro anything

i legit macro everything on sub and its pretty braindead

but i like it, chilling and big dmg

[limber lion]

Isn't that a bit against your point? If it was easy, everyone would be doing super well meaning that it would be much harder to get a 99% parse.

[oak meadow]

What kinda macro we talking about @dark token

[dark token]

/cast Shuriken Tornado
/cast [stance:0] Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Symbols of Death

u lose 1 global in dance on opener but it doesnt matter cause u probably lose 1 global (and ur sanity) pressing all buttons seperately anyway

[strange python]

That's...not a good macro.

[vestal wren]

parses have to many influence factors to be a good metric for skill

[dark token]

why not

[strange python]

Getting every cast out of a dance is basically the only skill expression that matters for sub

[vestal wren]

but yes, people with good gear, practice and knowlage do parse better than those who lack in one or multiple areas

[limber lion]

Outlaw to me is the hardest spec because that shit literally hurts my hands so much that I have to stop playing after an hour.

[dark token]

yes that too

[strange python]

You're basically just admitting you can't do it and saying "easy spec" with that macro

[dark token]

it hurts hands and requires more staring at weakauras and focus

[agile geode]

assa with ex is very hard to master for me

im having a lot of problems

[dark token]

nah im saying cba because i lose damage piano keying it for a 0.01% optimization

[oak meadow]

Toxic isnt it bed time already bud ?

[dark token]

when i can hit 1 button

[vestal wren]

exsanguinate now has a fairly high cooldown

[dark token]

yeah but opener i still mess up after 50 pulls

[strange python]

Losing 15% of your shadow dance casts isn't trivial lol

[dark token]

sometimes

[vestal wren]

so even tho i disslike exsang

[dark token]

how is it losing 15% of ur sd casts

its once a minute

[vestal wren]

i think a lot of issues with it got solved

by the long cooldown

[dark token]

actually once on pull

you dont use this macro otherwise

1 global in a fight is trivial

[strange python]

Exsang isn't that complicated tbh. It has a relatively scripted setup

It's just...unfun and clunky

[dark token]

anyway if i wanted to just hit shuriken tornado and then hit the "all cds" button

its fixable i just really CBA to optimize it

split it into 2 macros

[subtle tundra]

Pretty sure we all agree that once you get the grasp of how this game works no spec is hard

[strange python]

Hardest part of exsang is doing the math in the moment on whether or not to delay for DM

[dark token]

can you do a cast sequence with multiple abilities

[limber lion]

You just sync everytime now

[strange python]

Even on a 6 minute fight?

[limber lion]

Yeh

[strange python]

Hmm

[dark token]

i usually send puzzle box + exang on cd at 3 mins to get a sync at execute (6m deathmark) rather than at 4 mins

on spider boss

which is 7 mins for us

[limber lion]

You just do what you think is right for the encounter

[strange python]

Idk. We tried a few pulls on kurog as sin before kill last week and I definitely had to hold my last exsang. But that's an intermission/enrage thing

Not a pure overall DPS optimization thing

[limber lion]

You hold it everytime

On Kurog especially

You send DM on cooldown and hold Exsang for p2 and p3

Literally pointless to send it during intermission on adds without deathmark

instead of sending on boss with all cds in p2 and p3 where it matters

[strange python]

We had issues with earth ele dying in time

But I only played it two pulls

Outlaw prison

[dark token]

ye kurog prog is hurting my hand

[vagrant mauve]

yo, link

i need one

[dark token]

wish i can go back to sin/sub but its just too good and we need me for intermission dmg

im top by like 10% in intermission

[limber lion]

padding on small adds

smh

[dark token]

they do matter, casts can kill people

[strange python]

Tbh the public kurog logs right now are pretty strong

[dark token]

is it just me or a lot more guilds private log now

[limber lion]

We're still very early into the tier

[dark token]

yeah fair enough

[vestal wren]

private logging has a lot of benefits

[limber lion]

Literally 10 guilds have killed Raszageth

[vestal wren]

so it is understandable

[limber lion]

And every other guild is still at 50%+ prog on it lol

[vestal wren]

most guilds are not further than 4-5

[strange python]

Private logging makes me feel less bad about having dogshit trinkets and seeing all the public logs with good CCT or grieftorch

[dark token]

really

i dont see any

[vestal wren]

wcl statistic iirc does only show first 4 bosses, this means there are not even 50 public logs

[strange python]

Try convincing your public logging outlaw rogues to not waste globals using blade flurry in P3 of kurog with the enrage staring you down.

[marble hemlock]

ez

bench them

[strange python]

Much easier to do with private logs

[marble hemlock]

if they pad

[dark token]

oh nooo people can see your strats! they can do the same with vod

[strange python]

It's less about strats. More about human nature.

People pad like apes for public logs

[dark token]

its my assumption people in good guilds arent mongoloid padders with only private logs holding them back

aka the guilds that people private log

[strange python]

I mean

[subtle tundra]

We did too until we did good positioning

[dark token]

kick dps that wont hold dmg and do dumb padding over mechs

[strange python]

Look at the top outlaw logs on kurog right now. They're blade flurrying P3 and they're only seconds away from enrage.

And those are players in good guilds

[dark token]

might even be habit tbh

[strange python]

Not to name names but they're public and super clear

[dark token]

2t = bf

[strange python]

I mean sure. And a few casts of BF isn't making the difference between enrage and not

It was just the example first to mind

[dark token]

my WA for example glows if more than 1 target in range so ihit that asap whenever it glows

[strange python]

People do degenerate shit for logs when it's public

[vestal wren]

depends on the wold rank, but in general i hear a lot say they are afraid of poaching and privat loging gives you more incentive to play for the kill rather than logs in lower progression guilds

[limber lion]

[subtle tundra]

It did feel bad to be 405 ilvl on kurog while my guildies were 410+ and we were wiping to enrage

But fuck master looter

[strange python]

Didn't say it was 100%

🙂

[strange python]

403 gang

[undone eagle]

is shoulder tier set the least item we wanna wear?

out of the 5

[dark token]

nah

you want it

cause it lets u wear flaring cowl

[strange python]

"why did endwyr do 87k and you're not?"

[limber lion]

helm is

[subtle tundra]

Well it was like 4 days ago for me

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyone knows any good WA that shows how many SBS stacks do we have left?

[subtle tundra]

I have received almost no raid loot so far. Ofc I'm low ilvl

[undone eagle]

sorry is that a enchant or?

[subtle tundra]

My vault loot was unusable

[dark token]

maybe ur guild hates u and thinks u suck

idk rogues were like top prio for us

[subtle tundra]

Nah

[undone eagle]

Frozen, what do u mean with flaring cowl?

[subtle tundra]

I'm almost the oldest guild member

[dark token]

flaring cowl is a crafted helm that lets u proc eranog ring

[limber lion]

Nice socket noob

[dark token]

bis setup is cowl + 4pc in other slots+ ring

[undone eagle]

oh im dumb, i thought you mean on the shoulders 😂

Thnx, its on helmet ofc

[limber lion]

[undone eagle]

i see

[subtle tundra]

Why tf is whispyr a vulpera

[strange python]

How do you even add a socket to cowl

[subtle tundra]

Ehat the fuck

[limber lion]

By getting a socket from vault

[balmy condor]

gotta vault I think

[limber lion]

Buying it when you get a dogshit vault

[strange python]

Oh I thought there was another crafting thing like for neck

Cringe

[limber lion]

Nah

It's honestly good because it's a safe thing to socket when you inevitably get a bad vault

Still a free 300 dps or whatever

[undone eagle]

so eranog ring is bis if u can procc it with cowl etc?

[limber lion]

sure

[undone eagle]

and my 2nd ring i guess is the signet from cos? 😄

[limber lion]

sure

[undone eagle]

platinum as reserve

thnx

is there something more that can procc with those 2?

[strange python]

I would like a grieftorch plz.

And tier that isn't lfr

[subtle tundra]

Heh

I have grieftorch

Haven't used it yet tho

[wispy summit]

Do you really have to spec into exsang with KB IC if you reallying dislike playing exsang?

[balmy condor]

no

[wispy summit]

Cool beans

[broken ibex]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

just double checked, we are still under 50 public logs on dethea

but grimtotem has >=50 so should be included on the statistic

[viscid spear]

this explains a lot

[strange python]

Huh

[viscid spear]

Carry on

[strange python]

We're 6/8m bud

Not sure if trying to flame or just bait

[viscid spear]

Could you tell the difference anymore?

But grats on prog, happy for you fr

[wind ingot]

2 questions, first, is DTB a significant dps loss? It feels substantially more simple.
Second, on KB opener, it says to never use death with exsanguinate, but I can still use it immediately after the cast as long as it doesn’t actually affect my death duration?

[thorny pond]

Sim yourself with the different builds. Tier and gear has a big impact. DTB is easier and if it’s close sim wise, you may as well play it if you are frustrated with the alternatives.

Exsang before DM

[vestal wren]

both dbt and kb are rly close

dbt is easier to play so it is recommended

[drifting light]

But kingsbane is sooo much fun when you get it right

[novel arrow]

@drifting light I love your profile pic.

[thorny pond]

Sure, each spec has its pros and cons

Ultimately, play what you enjoy. Being engaged with your spec is also important

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[plain flax]

Afternoon all ....... Anyone got any good options for when using Kb , Ic build to gain a point maybe in spike ... any options to change a point here and there to not lose the aoe but gaine little single as feel can do better slight single as DTB

[balmy condor]

Nope

You need all 10 points below the gate to get kb and ic

Best you could do it trying to reroute the fok points into venom rush

[hexed narwhal]

Is there any clever macroing for sin especially with KB/IC to pack a few buttons together? thinking in the style of sub having multple CD's in one key

[terse otter]

so with DTB in keys i ned to spread all garrotes and ruptures manualy ?

[normal mist]

We don't do that here

[normal mist]

If you go dtb, then you lose carnage, and carnage is exactly what makes you not spread garr/rupt manualy every 45 sec. So yes, you do

[terse otter]

ty, i feel like carnage is great qol for keys 😛

[normal mist]

It indeed is but i after having tried DTB in keys, i actually love it more than ic+kb

[terse otter]

o rly, dont u feel tired after tabbing all the time to maintain bleeds from begining to end of every pull ? 😄

ill need to try it

[normal mist]

No, i put garr 3x and some ruptures and then i just spam envenoms fishing for poison bombs

But I'm obviously not min maxing nor doing 20's yet

[terse otter]

ye, im doing like 17's chilling arround

[normal mist]

Might have to change when I go for them portals

[urban mantle]

Guys. How critical strike directly affect my poisons and bleed?

[normal mist]

Depends

If you going dtb route, your poison crits give you energy if I'm not mistaken

[urban mantle]

Yes. But, i mean. How it critically affects them directly. What is a poison/bleed dots with crits

[normal mist]

Hit a dummie

[urban mantle]

I know that envenom crits its chance to double dmg. But how is that affect my Dots? its good to have more dmg with poison and bleed while im focusing crit stats

[normal mist]

?

Aren't you overthinking it?

[urban mantle]

maybe. But i wanna understand what happened with Dots when u have crits. Like, its good? they do more dmg or not

They double dmg like a hit or dmg overtime those not have same effect

[grim jay]

They crit

[normal mist]

Hit a dummie and you'll see poisons and bleed crit

[grim jay]

The question is kinda dunno

What happens if a spell crits?

[normal mist]

It hurts... More!

[vestal wren]

they do twice the damage

[frosty anchor]

G’day folks, anyone have a player profile for tracking ruptures / garrotte? Had one in SL but lost it after taking a break

Plater*

[urban mantle]

yeah, i know. But dmg over time its not a direct hit, so was thinking that maybe have different mechanics

[normal mist]

No

[grim jay]

Each damage instance of a spell can crit, so if a dot crits, that damageinstance that crits deals more dmg

Same with multihit spells

[full palm]

Hey yall, could you please provide some resources for me to read up/watch for assasination rogue in pvp? I played wotlk last and at the moment assasination rogue feels like a totally new spec and I'm hard struggling at 1400 playing really bad . At the moment I'm using the 4 poison build (no exsanguinate) but I must be doing something very wrong as the damage is just not there.

[grim jay]

#pvp

[full palm]

Thaank you!

[normal mist]

Anything else bugging your mind?

[balmy condor]

Spamming ct*

[normal mist]

Depends on target count right?

And isn't it too early for you to be awake

[balmy condor]

Yeh I start ripping CT’s on 4

[balmy condor]

Early?

[normal mist]

What time is it in the states?

[balmy condor]

5:50am on the west coast

[normal mist]

Yeah it's dark go back to slumber! Tsk tsk tsk
Morning mister Whispyr

[normal mist]

I've been spamming CTS at 5+, welp gotta try at 4 then

[remote oak]

Is there any point in tracking Amp poison in ST

[balmy condor]

Not that much of a difference tbh

[balmy condor]

No

And as a follow up, there isn’t a point tracking it in aoe either

[normal mist]

BuT fOr UlTrA mIn mAx YoU something random RiGhT?

[spice spire]

But what about cleave

[balmy condor]

Yeh sure

[teal bloom]

how about funnel

[tawny geyser]

Should I keep upgrading this? Is it BiS?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[normal mist]

Check pins but yes

[tawny geyser]

mb, sorry... 😛

[normal mist]

No worries, i keep asking questions that are literally answered on the pins all the time

[tawny geyser]

• Flaring Cowl (418 + socket) + Seal of Diurna's Chosen (421 ilvl + socket) are now BIS (need a specialized crafter for helm + socket from vault and the "very rare" mythic ring from mythic Eranog)

What about this? Since I'm more focused on Raiding, should I chase the head/ring or?

[normal mist]

Yes but craft head only if you get ring

[slim hamlet]

I mean

Why

If u have all other tier pieces, and it's same ilvl or even higher u just craft it now

right?

[balmy condor]

As Long as it doesnt break Tier

The Helm is better

[grim jay]

You can sim it if it would be an upgrade even without the ring, chances are it is

[balmy condor]

Even without ring

[grim jay]

So you craft

[royal lantern]

do you need the ring for cowl to be better then weapon embelishment?

[balmy condor]

No

That’s what we just said

[royal lantern]

you think i can read?

[ruby lotus]

[grim jay]

H-he just s-s-said we... whispyr s-senpai just u-used a word to d-describe us t-t-t-TOGETHER

[teal bloom]

[grim jay]

Wow that dracthyr actually fits

Said noone ever, but it actually does there

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

[grim jay]

[normal mist]

In my case i have 2set with helm + chest

[royal lantern]

whisper a LW for the head piece

he tells you his price

you have to awkwardly remember that the souls need 15min of waiting

[grim jay]

"Nah bro thats way high"

"But I said its free"

" cant fool me, leave me with your scamershit
!"

I actually had mine ready before I could even craft it

[brazen zodiac]

that doesnt beat whispyr tbh

tells me hes got it

clicks the bag open

gg

[royal lantern]

[grim jay]

I've heard his 362 trinket still haunted him and he wasnt himself at that point

[brazen zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/884269513351262268/1060479783307313162/image.png

epic

[autumn frost]

I will say the openers being after the sample questions and being shrunken pictures makes it easy to overlook.

Especially since the name of the spec opener is inside the picture itself.

In the faq. I spent a long time scrolling through and overlooked it several times.

[grim jay]

👓

There is a fat "Opener" headline

The pretty obvious "table of contents" with links for everything that bites your nose after opening the faq channel aside

[brazen zodiac]

:o

where my gamers who are hyped about getting max rep with the consortium next week