assassination

[balmy condor]

you couldn't name half those trinkets

[slim hamlet]

What is the reason that spiteful still seems shit on sin, but outlaw people are saying it might be gigantic for them

Just the AR lower gcd making more procs?

[balmy condor]

the proc thing is a bug afaik, but the damage is 15%

[royal lantern]

the trinket plays really bad

[strange python]

If the proc isn't a bug it could be big

[royal lantern]

cus you gain spite from everything, and it cancles stealth all the time

like, using tricks ends stealth with the trinket

or sprint

[slim hamlet]

when the fuck are u in stealth mid fight

oh u talking m+

[balmy condor]

they're foaming at the mouth over the proc changes because on paper you can just chain proc it now

[slim hamlet]

I only care about raid

[royal lantern]

i mean, same, but gotta do some m+ for raiding

[slim hamlet]

Fair

[balmy condor]

I'm not convinced the proc stuff will actually pan out

[slim hamlet]

I play sub or outlaw m+ 🙂

Seems op if so

[balmy condor]

if it works how they think it works, it would be the strongest trinket to ever exist in the game

and would instantly get hotfixed out

[strange python]

Huh

[balmy condor]

like it would make grieftorch look like gutter trash

[strange python]

You're forgetting about bad juju

[balmy condor]

no

[strange python]

It summoned three bad juju boys

[balmy condor]

I'm not forgetting any trinkets

I'm straight up telling you

if this thing can chain proc

it is stronger than anything you can imagine

[strange python]

If I had a bad juju now I'd run it over puzzle box

Those three juju gnomes are cracked

[slim hamlet]

guessing you would run storm over puzzle too

[balmy condor]

if it procs the crazy way, you will want to do lfr raszageth asap to try and get one

cause it will beat a mythic grieftorch

or you just have a little bit of patience

[vestal wren]

just to get hotfixed in a day

[balmy condor]

and wait to see if that actually works

[grim jay]

Sounds like it would be 20% of peoples damage

[balmy condor]

or if it just gets nuked

(it's gonna get nuked probably)

[slim hamlet]

Yeah just didn't think of it as a bug, since it was not looked at that way in outlaw

[vestal wren]

"Oh hey, this is op because of --- implementation issue--- "

• gets fixed

[balmy condor]

I'm considering it a bug

outlaw guys are huffing paint thinner if they think that its intended

[vestal wren]

is usually how it works

[grim jay]

Outlaws are a different breed

[balmy condor]

15% trinket buff and 10x proc rate buff

seems like a reasonable buff

yeah

[slim hamlet]

Feels like they would mention proc change in bluepost if it wasnt a bug too

[balmy condor]

totally

[slim hamlet]

With the dmg buff

[balmy condor]

actually probably more than 10x proc rate

cause the spell data is weird

so

[grim jay]

So it proccs off your proccs that procced?

[slim hamlet]

smart

[balmy condor]

yeah I'm gonna go with "15% damage buff seems reasonable" and consider it a bug that the proc rate change makes it stronger than both bis trinkets, 2 eon's and a gavel combined

[slim hamlet]

nah

Higher dps increase than putting dagger in mainhand over one hander

[balmy condor]

what's a bigger dps increase, bugged spiteful or equipping daggers

vote now

[thorn crater]

is that thing they thinkg about alreadyt in the game

[slim hamlet]

Fist enemies with the power of the storm

[thorn crater]

cause if it is it does NOT procc like crazy

[vestal wren]

is anyone actually thinking that the bug is intentional?

[slim hamlet]

is in outlaw pins

[balmy condor]

outlaw pins are pretty pointed

[balmy condor]

yeh it should be

and it won't proc like crazy if you just play normally

[slim hamlet]

our enhance shaman also heard about it being op

[balmy condor]

the whole point is you can abuse it

[slim hamlet]

so maybe also that disc

[balmy condor]

hunters as well, and I had a guild warrior ask

it's making the rounds

[vestal wren]

you can just create spam macros

and abuse it

ye

but thats kind of what i mean

[slim hamlet]

brb making 20 macros

[vestal wren]

this is so obvious that its not intended

i don't think anyone assumes blizz wants this

[balmy condor]

it's an endboss trinket, it's supposed to be powerful

[grim jay]

Bug abuse bans Inc

[slim hamlet]

That was what I was thinking 🤓

[balmy condor]

I can't wait to spend all day tomorrow flagging weird cringe EU dayraiding logs

[thorn crater]

alright how to abuse

[oak sky]

frozen wastes 🤓

[thorn crater]

so i can check

[balmy condor]

stand out of range from a dummy

spam detection

if it procs

then you abused it

[slim hamlet]

So did it come with the weekly reset or just today

[grim jay]

Lets make a group activity out of it. Grabbing some Monster zero ZUCKER and get em

[thorn crater]

bruh i cant find my detection spell

lmfao

[balmy condor]

got hotfixed today

[slim hamlet]

Then it hopefully shouldn't be as bad

[thorn crater]

will it work with poisoned knife too?

[balmy condor]

it worked with poison knife before

[slim hamlet]

all the reset gamers not having the chance at least

[balmy condor]

you're looking to cast instant spells that are off gcd

[slim hamlet]

Making a stream chat just sitting reportin people

xd

[balmy condor]

that one bubble toy should proc it too

[thorn crater]

80 clicks on detection

4 spitefuls

[slim hamlet]

gamers suddenly doing 100 apm

[balmy condor]

coca cola null zucker

[slim hamlet]

wtf is all this american stuff

[balmy condor]

grats, you're starting to get there

[slim hamlet]

We just have monster monster

[balmy condor]

now also track humonoids

and fish

and elemental

and put a toy in there

[slim hamlet]

No shot

[thorn crater]

so basically make a macro to use everything?

[balmy condor]

and do your normal rotation with all of that and detection macro'd

[slim hamlet]

clicking track fish

does a proc

[balmy condor]

that's the whole bug

[grim jay]

Zucker isnt american tho

[balmy condor]

EVERYTHING procs it

[slim hamlet]

and people expect it to not be a bug

[balmy condor]

if detection procs it, it's literally limitless

[thorn crater]

so i just macro all my spells with adding all off GCD crap at the end of it

[grim jay]

The vanilla zero is actually good

[thorn crater]

and watch it go to town

[balmy condor]

detection is a spammable no resource cost instant cast, off gcd ability

[thorn crater]

LMFAO

[balmy condor]

if detection procs it

[slim hamlet]

cant wait for 225 toys in my lfr pug today

[balmy condor]

then find fish and shit also will

so you just giga stack the whole thing

macro it into every ability

so when you mut, you cast 15 other things

[thorn crater]

sounds like an easy way to get banned in a week ngl

[balmy condor]

and then you just watch the procs roll in

[thorn crater]

for abusing

[balmy condor]

yeh

[oak sky]

Gonna kill mythic raz with that bug for sure

[balmy condor]

is china awake

what time is it in beijing

[slim hamlet]

what time is it for murican

[balmy condor]

oh god it's prime time in china

[grim jay]

19:27

[balmy condor]

if they find out

[slim hamlet]

monka

cant wait for 500k dps on st

world 10th rasz kill is with bugs

smh

[grim jay]

"INSANE Mechanic: How to get from 8/8 N to 8/8 M in one ID - No clickbait"

[slim hamlet]

just gotta have 20 storm trinks

[trail tree]

i dont evne have a storm trinket

[thorn crater]

i have it but imma stay far away from taht shithole

i smell bans in the air

aint worth it

[trail tree]

not wrong would be hard to pass off as "oops accident" as well i guess

[strange python]

You'd never get banned for just using a trinket that blizzard broke

Bans are for things that are clearly bending game systems

[grim jay]

I used 15 skills that I never used before on accident while raiding

Whoops

[grim jay]

There are things you clearly do on purpose to abuse it if you use whats broken

So

[thorn crater]

yes

imagine binding every random shit in the game on ur sinister/dispatch/ambush/mutilate/envenom

and then complain if u get banned by saying its ur fault not mine

maybe just dont abuse for a couple of days and see what happens

also, wish tehre was some sort of training ground where you can instantly reset your cds so you can practice without having to wait 3 minutes

sigh

[rapid yacht]

Why are we not Vanish+Garote after Exsang so it would last the entirety of deathmark?

[balmy condor]

depends where you mean

like exsang->vanish->garrote?

cause that doesn't work

[ruby lotus]

I’ve literally thought about this all expac how is it not a thing yet XD could even setup 1v1 duel pits to practice that reset the cds and then obvi training dummy’s

[rapid yacht]

yes exsang-vanish-garote-deathmark

im talkiing raid bosses here

[balmy condor]

well that overwrites your exsang'd garrote

so you would waste like 80% of the exsang

[rapid yacht]

oh really?

[balmy condor]

if you wanted to do that, you could achieve the same effect by just untalenting exsang

[trail tree]

[rapid yacht]

i thought exsang was just a burst of half the duration

[balmy condor]

yes

it is

you push the button, and the bleeds tick twice as fast, in half the time

so now you're suggesting instead of letting that garrote tick

you instantly cast a new, not compressed garrote

which will go on top of that

[thorn crater]

spiteful does procc a lot more with normal playstyle too though

[trail tree]

do you still refresh garrote in exsang then during pandemic?

[balmy condor]

and erase the exsang'd, compressed garrote

[trail tree]

or just wait til last moment

[balmy condor]

helllllllllll noi

[royal lantern]

you wait

[balmy condor]

exsang'd dots go all the way to 0

no exceptions

[storm onyx]

Exsan registers to the active bleeds, it does not carry over

[rapid yacht]

ok i didnt realize that the remaining ticks were just going twice as fast as well i just thought it was a burst of half the duration and the rest of the ticks were just normal

[balmy condor]

you can pandemic refresh your opener garrote with a vanish garrote at the start of a fight

[trail tree]

aha yeah so i just keep waiting til like 1 sec on garrote then refresh it because im just dumb

[rapid yacht]

so i can understand why you would let it tick now, thanks for clarification

[balmy condor]

but every other instance of an empowered bleed

you tick it 0

[trail tree]

(with exsang)

[balmy condor]

mid fight vanish? tick to 0

exsang? tick to 0

[trail tree]

TIL

[balmy condor]

pandemic is just duration

it doesn't carry over any damage

[trail tree]

aha, yeah okay

im just dumb then

[balmy condor]

so if you're pandemic refreshing on top of an empowered garrote

you're just wasting that uptime

[trail tree]

i thought it just kinda dumped the time that was left in pandemic on top of the new bleed

but now i have been further enlightened :D

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean that's what it technically does

it does dump the time left

it just doesn't carry the damage empowerment with it

[trail tree]

yeah i mean like the time + the remaining damage from the previous bleed

[balmy condor]

yeh

that don't work

[trail tree]

yeah, idk why i thought that tbh

[rapid yacht]

so we are trying to squeeze deathmark in for a little bit of that exsang'd duration and then just a normal garote for the rest of the duration

[trail tree]

probably low iq or something

[balmy condor]

that would actually defeat the purpose of pandemic

[thorn crater]

bruh

[balmy condor]

cause refreshing as soon as possible in pandemic would then be a dps gain again

[balmy condor]

yeh

deathmark will copy the exsang bleeds

so you exsang->deathmark

now you have TWO EXSANGED EMPOWERED GARROTES

very powerful

[rapid yacht]

cool

[thorn crater]

caps for emphasis

[balmy condor]

(it's not THAT powerful, but it sounds really good)

[rapid yacht]

haha

[trail tree]

sounds giga awesome when you put it like that ngl

[balmy condor]

yeah

and then you actually have to play it

and you vomit in your mouth a little every 3 minutes

and then you're like wow this ability should've never been in the game

and I'm like yeah same

and then we vomit for another 3-4 months

and 10.1 they delete

hopefully

maybe

probably

[rapid yacht]

lol

[trail tree]

true true, i think I've played with exsang once

[rapid yacht]

give us more buttons plz

[thorn crater]

having to wait 3 minutes to rerun opener for muscle memory is the biggest puke i have ever seen in my life

[balmy condor]

good thing you don't do that

[trail tree]

i only ran exsang in keys because boss deeps

[balmy condor]

just learn how buttons work

[trail tree]

bruh i have trouble remembering my opener and keep fucking up every time lmao

[balmy condor]

that way you don't have muscle memory

[rapid yacht]

i loved the pre exsang DTB build lol

[balmy condor]

sin is very logical

[thorn crater]

ye just forget ot press a button cause things

[balmy condor]

and you can plan everything like 20 seconds in advance

[thorn crater]

and then get cuckewd

[trail tree]

sometimes my brain lags and thinks "lets use SBS before garrote, and then fuck it 3 CP rupture" doing everything wrong

[balmy condor]

needs more practice

[trail tree]

i usually mess up more the later in the day it is

[rapid yacht]

i know too many damn points we get for rupture

[trail tree]

because old man brain gets tired

[balmy condor]

haha old

he's old

point and laugh

ha

[trail tree]

the elderly just need a while to learn

usually an entire tier before the build gets omega nerfed and something new comes along

[balmy condor]

one of my friends had his 30th birthday today, and as a gift, someone got him a hip implant

he doesn't need it

but they thought it would be funny anyway

[trail tree]

those are good friends

[balmy condor]

so now he just has a random hip implant

[rapid yacht]

he will probably need a new ankle soon

[thorn crater]

so apparently using 372 puzzlebox and not using it (392 horn usage) is 200k less damage in my opener

[balmy condor]

I have no idea how you would even begin to get a hip implant delivered to your house

[thorn crater]

fair trinket

[balmy condor]

without like

[thorn crater]

fml

[balmy condor]

a medical degree

or something

I would think you would need to prove that you need it or you're a hospital or something

but nope

he just got one

I was astounded

[rapid yacht]

oh you are actually being serious about the hip implant?

[balmy condor]

yes

[rapid yacht]

LMAO

[trail tree]

ngl i would love to have a hip implant on display

just random implants on display just for the fun of it

and then say "exsang broke my body so i decided to stock up on spare parts"

[balmy condor]

it was in a bag

and the guy walked up and said "happy birthday gramps"

and dude looked in the bag, and he's like "is this, a ball bearing? what am I looking at"

"nah, that's just a hip implant"

[rapid yacht]

what a fantastic present

[trail tree]

10/10 friends

[ancient rain]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

This has to be the biggest copium

[balmy condor]

I'll wait for 10.2

I'll give them that long

[slim hamlet]

a bit less copium

still on it tho

Huffing a bit less each time tho

Surely it's gone in 12.0

When we get a whole new form of talents never seen in games before

[grim jay]

12.0 we get Improved Exsanguinate

@balmy condor what do you think about exs just being another debuff like DM letting dots tick faster instead of the current state where it cuts duration?

[balmy condor]

Would be the same thing no?

You just buffed exsang cause now it’s 2x duration of dots

But you didn’t actually do anything about exsang

It’s still exsang

[slim hamlet]

I was thinking it was buff on yourself

That made your bleeds tick faster while its up

Maybe somehow make it st that way so its not omega giga aoe busting

[balmy condor]

Sounds like alacrity with extra steps

[slim hamlet]

well

[balmy condor]

You just want a passive that says “+75% haste”

[slim hamlet]

Its a cd compared to passive stacking buff

well you could see it that way

[grim jay]

You basically wouldnt have to reapply dots earlier after usage, but still get the burst.

[slim hamlet]

I see that as better than "here unalive yourself ever 3 mins"

copium

[balmy condor]

Can you read DM’s

[slim hamlet]

Give us keep it rolling cd that makes our bleeds extend at its current value on all targets

[balmy condor]

Or are you gonna ghost me forever

[slim hamlet]

huh

[grim jay]

Puzzlebox feels stupid without exs if its not worth to hold for dm

Tbh

[limber lion]

Just hold Exsang everytime

fight length shenanigans too much brain work

[grim jay]

Wouldnt it be better to just send it if you dont want to worry? 😁

[toxic burrow]

Oooh, are we making fun suggestions? How about applying garrote from behind has a chance to apply an enhanced garrote as if used from stealth?

[limber lion]

No because Exsanguinate is dogshit by itself and doesn't do much

The power comes from the Exsang + Deathmark interaction

Exsang was simming worse than other options before the Deathmark change was made

Deathmark change made it good

[grim jay]

Even together with puzzle for a quick burst?

[limber lion]

You hold puzzle box as well

It's not "quick burst"

Exsang doesn't do any damage

But sync everything at 4mins again

[shell raft]

So how’s the opener looking with exang box and dtb

[somber fractal]

i assume the grieftorch sims assume no resets from deaths?

[limber lion]

Yes

[grim jay]

[shell raft]

Didn’t see it earlier but eyes bad

[pine grove]

Deathmark change? Or just the way the sims handle it with Exs?

[toxic burrow]

It scares me that on our barely-won Hcouncil fight (everyone became extremely silly), I nearly placed first in DPS as sin. . _. I got beaten by our Ret pally at the very end since he kept getting amped as folks died left and right.

[normal mist]

That fight is such a clownfiesta

I'm using our m+ ic/kb build there xD

[toxic burrow]

I haven't tried that one yet! Kind of been sleeping on KB in general.

I've been using the Raid Cleave build that Whispyr posted. That thing slaps, though I do miss Tea.

[normal mist]

I'm not doing 300k dps but that build allowed me to atleast do 106k yesterday (normal mode)

[ionic matrix]

I am finding myself capping at 20 stacks of amplifying poison a lot and don't know how bad this is/how to stop it. Any thoughts?

[slim hamlet]

Huh

Don't u press envenom

[ionic matrix]

well you could.

[slim hamlet]

Or well

in big aoe u dont

[ionic matrix]

but then you arent managing elaborate planning uptime

and you will find yourself energy starved with no elaborate planning

[slim hamlet]

wait

isnt elaborate planning the bonus dmg after usin finisher

[ionic matrix]

correct.

[slim hamlet]

so wtf do you mean by that

am i confusion

[compact wing]

You don’t play around elaborate planning at all

[slim hamlet]

Yeah u just have it

[ionic matrix]

that has literally never been the case for assassination since the beginning of elaborate planning

you have always played around it.

[slim hamlet]

tell me how it gives u energy

Or do you mean something different

[ionic matrix]

you can space out your envenoms so that you are refreshing elaborate planning in pandemic zone

[slim hamlet]

Yeah so u just talking about pooling?

Thought u meant it gave you energy somehow

[ionic matrix]

no, but if you don't pool and you just finish finish finish you keep amplifying stacks low

but you have lower elaborate planning uptime

[slim hamlet]

I mean

Still havn't really had any energy issues in raid

With low haste

maybe 3-5 gcd's missed throughout a whole fight

max

[royal lantern]

it alwqys has been

you NEVER played around it

[slim hamlet]

I certainly dont track ep

[ionic matrix]

maybe if you were bad you never played around it

to be completely honest

[slim hamlet]

I mean

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

I can reach sim dps without

or close

[grim jay]

@balmy condor help

[slim hamlet]

Let him cook

[royal lantern]

Whisp, tell me how Important it is to play around EP i gues

idk man, it was handled as a "well, you do more dmg passive yeeeeee" buff since forever

could not even play around it in st cus of assa Speed

[ionic matrix]

in BFA you 100% did play around it. I was top 10 US rogue in all star points back then, I am not a fucking idiot. I didn't play assassination at all in SL and it may not be a thing now, but it certainly was optimal back then

[slim hamlet]

Guess it can make the smallest difference sometime

[true thorn]

Did spiteful storm get buffed?

[slim hamlet]

ye

Not as much as many make it sound tho

Or well

Highly highly highly likely a bug which makes it as good as some make it sound

[slim hamlet]

all star points

[true thorn]

how does it compare to other trinkets now?

[slim hamlet]

Gotta play sin in council for my all star points

[royal lantern]

i was #7 council on week2

[slim hamlet]

no idea until bug is fixed and stuff I guess

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

dont think it is on sims yet

He's cooking

[balmy condor]

Playing around EP has always been some Uber min maxing that doesn’t really provide any meaningful gains. You might’ve played around it and gotten your extra 0.1% dps but I think you’re overstating how important it is going from 75% uptime to 76%

[balmy condor]

Trash

[slim hamlet]

in before the bug is intentional

[true thorn]

oh 15% dmge increase

[balmy condor]

Cev couldn’t get it to giga proc too much

[slim hamlet]

15% of 0 = 0

smart

[balmy condor]

Idk there might be big tech

But it seems that even with proc abuse it’s actually still too weak

That’s how shit that trinket is

[ionic matrix]

if you can find some off gcd ability that is spammable and procs it

[grim jay]

[fringe bridge]

What are you guys finding is the most effective M+ build with 2p?

[slim hamlet]

It "only" sims .8% lower than current tech for me

[balmy condor]

Cev found like 4

Well

“Found”

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor where is your camp

[balmy condor]

He remembered a bunch from the last time this happened

[balmy condor]

Outside of raid

[royal lantern]

bigbrain

[slim hamlet]

wtf does this mean

[balmy condor]

Flying to raid is cringe

[thorn crater]

in legion u played around EP dunno what u guys are talking about

[grim jay]

Flying to the raid

[thorn crater]

at least first tier

[balmy condor]

Also following up to this because I read up, you would envenom and use the stacks wtf is wrong with you

[thorn crater]

u never played around envenom

[teal bloom]

Whispyr is vulpera now?

[balmy condor]

Yessir

[normal mist]

He said he would do the switch a few days ago

After finding out the way the stand up

[thorn crater]

oh

thats why u swapped

god

[balmy condor]

Also the camp

Cause honestly

Flying to raid

Is shit

[thorn crater]

imagine not getting summoned inside

[normal mist]

Right?!

[balmy condor]

Who’s gonna fucking summon

[thorn crater]

the portal bot

who else

[balmy condor]

No one wants to fly to raid

Everyone’s stuck waiting

For no one to summon

[thorn crater]

outwait them

[grim jay]

Legit reason

[thorn crater]

everyone knows if ure playing warlock u gotta get there first

[torn atlas]

Just afk in valdrakken and then spam /ra 1 five minutes after raid start lile a normal person.

[thorn crater]

no other reason of existence for the class

[balmy condor]

We did this and then realized the warlock was the only one at raid

And we spammed 1

And no one summoned

Cause no one was there

[thorn crater]

wait RL isnt the first to go there before starting invites/

?

[balmy condor]

RL is the warlock

[thorn crater]

though if RL is also the warlock then i see thep roblme

ye

[royal lantern]

y'all are lazy fuckheads

[balmy condor]

Bro no shot you think flying to the raid is fun

[royal lantern]

nah

[thorn crater]

u can fuck up that flight so easily

[royal lantern]

camp

[thorn crater]

and run out of vigor

if u dont pay attention

[true thorn]

hmm the proc rate seems a lot faster for spiteful storm

[balmy condor]

SEE THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[royal lantern]

there is a flightpoint mate

[balmy condor]

Yes that’s the bug

Or intended j guess

[thorn crater]

if it lasts longer than 2 days

[balmy condor]

Still not a good trinket from what cev tested

[thorn crater]

make a macro for us ok?

[royal lantern]

camp for SoD was BiS

no annoying maw run

[balmy condor]

I should’ve been vulpera from the start

Jesus what a good race

[raven vapor]

if we're running puzzlebox+grieftorch is there an order we should be following ie:
Puzzle during opener and torch on cd?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[torn atlas]

At the start of Sanctum, we had two of our officers make their alt vulpera camp outside raid before the death skip was found and teleports added. No one wanted take that trek.

[royal lantern]

free teleport, free healthpolt as a racial, nose for trouble can break some fights in rare cases

best race

[royal lantern]

thats just a bonus uwu

[teal bloom]

This is why I could never play vulpera

[torn atlas]

Wait. Tell me more about nose for trouble breaking fights.

Oh very rare cases. Nvm

[balmy condor]

I look forward to banning more people that show up to my stream just to tell me to kms because I play vulpera now

[verbal mantle]

[silver yacht]

Sorry whispyr, in your sims the trinket "Whispering Incarnate Icon" is simmed considering the allied buffs or not ?

[true thorn]

what u suppoosed to play tauren? lol

[normal mist]

You're suppose to play what you find fun xD

And tauren is indeed bis

[balmy condor]

Tank + dps

Add like 250-300 dps to any icon combo

[teal bloom]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[silver yacht]

ok thanks for the reply

but isn't it strange that sims less than hunger of the pack? it gives the same crit + the stats from your allies

or am I saying something wrong?

[toxic burrow]

Recalling the Detection spam days for some silly interactions. Like in Azshara's palace.

[slim hamlet]

No shot you race changed

[royal lantern]

well, 10% of your max hp as a "shield" first time you take dmg from an enemy

[slim hamlet]

What about the 0.01% dps other classes give

[royal lantern]

nyalotha ilginoth, the entire raid dmg was "blood spawns, they explode for raid dmg when they die"

[slim hamlet]

How will you ever top dps then

[slim hamlet]

Holy shit

[thorn fjord]

cute

[royal lantern]

that all was a first time hit for the racial, you lost almost no hp as a dps on that fight

[slim hamlet]

Why does your weapon look so fake

Why they 2d

[royal lantern]

ans when your tank was vulpera, the entire mechanic litearlly did no dmg at all

cus tank hp is high and stuff

[spice spire]

[copper hazel]

clearly a photoshop bait, dont fall for this

[slim hamlet]

exactly

[teal bloom]

Wow those ears are huge

[lucid birch]

Yo

[slim hamlet]

You have such huge ears whispyr

[grim jay]

So he can hear people asking for when to use shiv better

[slim hamlet]

And what % we stop taking crit

[teal bloom]

34%

[slim hamlet]

[teal bloom]

[grim jay]

69

[teal bloom]

100% 5Head

[marble hemlock]

Degen

[slim hamlet]

How come I don't deal close to my sim dps when I do dm into exsang for double bleeds

[spice spire]

Greetings and salutations mister dsnow. Hope you’ve a glorious day

[lucid birch]

Thanks senior quake

[spice spire]

Skill issue, unlucky

[lucid birch]

You too m8

[spice spire]

Don’t tell me what to do

[grim jay]

"Do we not use snd?"

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

How come this spec feels so bad to play (while playing no cttc builds)

[gusty mirage]

Because hard casting snd every time feels like shit

[slim hamlet]

Oh

[timber basalt]

guys, which m+ build would you recommend this week? in the 10-15 range

[slim hamlet]

Forgot the emote

[gusty mirage]

[lucid birch]

Makeitquake

[spice spire]

Whichever works for you at that range it doesn’t matter.

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Snow I’m being bullied

[normal mist]

The usual then

[lucid birch]

How who

[gusty mirage]

These damn rogues

[grim jay]

Wdym? Its great gameplay. Wanna tell us channeling puzzle feels bad next?

[slim hamlet]

Fucking rogues

always the most toxic class

[gusty mirage]

Play dragon tempered on tyran

[lucid birch]

Oxi you just used the term hard cast when referring to an instant cast spell

I’d bully you too ngl

[slim hamlet]

Actually demolished

Unlucky

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

It’s really the ones you trust

[thorny pond]

Fuck man

[gusty mirage]

It’s okay, the snow “main” roulette hasn’t hit rogue yet

[copper hazel]

this guy defends people in court too

[thorny pond]

you just got BTFO

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[slim hamlet]

I would reroll outlaw after that one oxi

[gusty mirage]

He’ll get it when he swaps mains for the 18th time

[spice spire]

True

[lethal jungle]

Ay can someone link their nutty logs rq

[lucid birch]

If I don’t swap Mains I get bored is what it is

[gusty mirage]

Y’all kill terros yet? @lucid birch

[lucid birch]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/munsonated-gif-26549638

[spice spire]

Man actually just said prog check

[lucid birch]

Down bad down bad do not ask

[thorny pond]

Come join #1 guild proudmoore. We kill Terros, die spider

[gusty mirage]

MFers raided 18 days a week for the first 3 weeks too smh

[slim hamlet]

Huh

tbf we havnt even pulled terros yet so can't laugh

[gusty mirage]

The minalba diffy @lucid birch

[lucid birch]

We literally were blasting and got to terros and brains evaporated idk

[slim hamlet]

Only had 2 hours of myffic prog

[lucid birch]

Spent two nights learning what a swirly was

[toxic burrow]

Oooh what guild is this on Proudmoore? I need to know to cheer for my server!

[slim hamlet]

this tbh

[thorny pond]

AP

[outer cairn]

I noticed on some high parses last night that there are rogues still running the standard Poison DtB build. I’m kind of puzzled at how that build is doing so much more damage vs anything with the bleeds cause of the 4p

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s when you find the first person that dies and you flush their head in a toilet yeah?

[lucid birch]

It’s @bleak sky and he keeps rushing off the edge m8

[thorny pond]

Yea, why wouldn't you flush shit Quake?

[lucid birch]

Pls send him help

[spice spire]

@bleak sky ?????????

[slim hamlet]

Guessing people just havn't seen new builds yet, it's not easy to find

[unkempt burrow]

Does the razzy trink 15% buff change anything ya think?

[gusty mirage]

Lnfaoooo

[unkempt burrow]

Or is it still dog

[grim jay]

If you check the sheet they arent that far apart

[gusty mirage]

Yeah takes it from garbage to mediocre

[unkempt burrow]

Hell yea

[gusty mirage]

So like turns into a “I don’t have anything else so why not” kinda thing

[slim hamlet]

Have been using it since week 1 😦

[worn panther]

Standard DtB is also much much more forgiving while only being a % or 2 behind

[slim hamlet]

Finally able to call myself mediocre

[spice spire]

Always has been

[slim hamlet]

Ye if I don't take exsang the old dtb sims higher than bleed dtb

[spice spire]

395 boon vs 411 raz trinket

[slim hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

Hey, now the raz trinket might sim close to that trinket that’s 16 ilvl lower

Be happy

[slim hamlet]

Sitting on either lfr boon or normal rasz

Pretty epic

[worn panther]

Exsang actually cringe imo

[gusty mirage]

Exssng’s fine

[outer cairn]

I mean I get that, but even a bleed DtB build without Exsang should do more. Was making me scratch my head.

[slim hamlet]

It doesn't

[spice spire]

It simmed above before until any 2t+

[slim hamlet]

not for me at least

no exsang is like 1.3% behind and old dtb is 1% behind for me

[dreamy elk]

@outer cairn What's the difference between the two? Is the one that is in assassination faq the old poison DTB build or is it the bleed build you're referring to?

[worn panther]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

Just get puzzle box and join me and @limber lion in the land of KB exsang

[spice spire]

Boon does like no ST and roots But it’s insane aoe

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Trust me man I’m trying

[slim hamlet]

Yea kb sims higher for me too

Puzzle gang gang

[dreamy elk]

KB/exsan is better DPS with puzzle box?

[outer cairn]

The old dtb is in the faq. The newer ones are in the pins. Old DtB is more poison talents while the rest pick up bleed talents cause of the 4p

[slim hamlet]

Sims

[lucid birch]

I love sims

[gusty mirage]

What’s your fav expac?

[slim hamlet]

Don't think its like insta when u get box, but with some stats kb is better ye

[spice spire]

Which one is your favorite? I’m a 3 purist tbh

[lucid birch]

mop

[spice spire]

Fuck you oxi

Same joke

[gusty mirage]

Close enough

[slim hamlet]

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

Bunch of nerds

[gusty mirage]

Stop trying to make snow jealous

[outer cairn]

Kb Exsang is my highest sim, followed by DtB/Exsang which is about 360 dps behind, but DtB without Exsang is starting to get up there

[spice spire]

????

I’m a whispyr simp dontcha know

[slim hamlet]

Everything dtb without exsang is 1% minimum behind

for me

[lucid birch]

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

Cev said he is on the DTB bleed exs side, jokes on you

[gusty mirage]

That’s cool

[slim hamlet]

I play dtb exsang even tho kb sims a bit higher

Much easier to focus on boss

[outer cairn]

Feel like it’s better to hold vanish and do the garrote envenom garrote to get a little more value out of it

[toxic burrow]

Feels weird running Wii and Cct and not having an active-use trinket still.

[slim hamlet]

wii and cct?

[gusty mirage]

You’re playing Nintendo wii?

[outer cairn]

Icon and controlled current

[slim hamlet]

Thought it was just me

Well whatever sims higher

I take higher number

Or well right now I really don't like double active because the bug

[toxic burrow]

Of course. Figured why not if you can program a wiimote to use your sin abilities.

[slim hamlet]

"this item is not ready yet"

YES IT FUCKING IS BLIZZ

[grim jay]

It actually isnt

The timer is wrong

[slim hamlet]

its 20 sec no?

[toxic burrow]

And yup, thank you CoW. Though I did want to confuse a few folks with that :X

[grim jay]

• channel time iirc

[slim hamlet]

Even if it is because timer is wrong it's still insanely bad

[austere radish]

Sup Guys, does DH magic dmg buff gives us increased dmg on envenom and other nature dmg spells like Kingsbane?

[slim hamlet]

wasting muh gcds man

[royal lantern]

ofc

[toxic burrow]

Yus. Felt bad that our only DH was gone last night.

[grim jay]

Basically the timer it shows + channel

[gusty mirage]

Based

[slim hamlet]

Are u sure?

Because it def feels like more than 2 sec

[grim jay]

I think someone in sub had the same with torch and whetstone

Not sure who tho

[slim hamlet]

I've been doing both boon+box and whetstone+box

[worldly sphinx]

Hello guys, I don't understand why my deathmark deal so less damage ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mhVF8HgTNbnr1yGx/#fight=29&type=damage-done&source=3

[dreamy elk]

For bleed DTB w/ exsan, is the opener the same one as the KB opener (pinned in FAQ) just without using KB?

[grim jay]

Its literally what it says in the faq

[slim hamlet]

You arent using the dtb bleed build and exsang

So your dm will deal less than some other logs

[grim jay]

#assassination-faq message

[slim hamlet]

But your poisons will in turn deal more than those

[worldly sphinx]

ty!

[jaunty gulch]

when do you cast the 3 second channel for puzzble box

[grim jay]

Literally a few messages above

"Opener"

[gusty mirage]

I’m going to put in a change for Moroes to auto answer that one

I’m tired of answering it 45 times a day

[grim jay]

I mean

Its like with most stuff

There are people that dont read FAQ

[ruby lotus]

its wild how many people just dont do any research and just ask. 99% of the time you type in search bar the info you want you gonna find it

[spice spire]

@ me

[grim jay]

Even if it obviously is a frequently asked question

[gusty mirage]

You use puzzle box before deathmark. Stop asking already

[gusty mirage]

There

Now tell people to read the pins

[jaunty gulch]

ty for pin

[grim jay]

@spice spire hi

[spice spire]

Rage pin

[ruby lotus]

reading might be the issue

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage when do you use puzzlebox

[gusty mirage]

I use it right before I blow your dad’s back out

[spice spire]

Mastery helps there

God bless

[grim jay]

Oxi is using it before TTB

[shut owl]

when do I read the pin for puzzlebox, before or after dm?

[grim jay]

For the big slaps

[gusty mirage]

Emphasis on tiny

[gusty mirage]

I’ll cut you

[uneven summit]

Ufff DTB+Exsang and Kingbane is 25 DPS apart now, two questions: Puzzlebox just before DM yes? And Exsang in the opener before DM or after?

[shut owl]

do I use puzzle box before or after reading the pin?

[ruby lotus]

yes

[grim jay]

Bro

[spice spire]

Just vibe it out man

Pellamie is trolling

[gusty mirage]

[uneven summit]

😄

[tiny ember]

@gusty mirage you ok there champ?

[spice spire]

He’s a frequent

[grim jay]

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I’m fine. You good bro?

[ruby lotus]

how long before someone asks

[tiny ember]

I'm good bro thank you for asking ❤️

[shut owl]

much love oxi

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

@gusty mirage when do we use torch with puzzle + torch?

[gusty mirage]

Well we’ve had people ask literally 2 messages below someone else getting an answer

Should be spicy

[gusty mirage]

After deathmark

[grim jay]

Thats the next one

[marble hemlock]

Do I use puzzlebox before exsanguinate before deathmark or in between?

[grim jay]

[spice spire]

Brother?

[gusty mirage]

Depends on how much haste you have because the cast is hasted

[tiny ember]

What do I do if i don't have puzzle box?

[gusty mirage]

HOWS THAT FOR A twist?

[marble hemlock]

What about SBS

[shut owl]

the question is really, how long until someone asks, then says "no you're wrong" XD

[spice spire]

Run AA

[marble hemlock]

before sbs or after?

[vernal sigil]

After

[uneven summit]

dropping the haste bomb uff

[marble hemlock]

[tiny ember]

So what do I do if i don't have a puzzle box?

[gusty mirage]

The better seli shows up, thank god were saved

[spice spire]

.

[spice spire]

Better seli is outlaw though. Tough call

[marble hemlock]

he mains outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but outlaw seli is a wonderful person

[grim jay]

@gusty mirage historically speaking, sin scales better than sub right ?

[gusty mirage]

idk man I just press my buttons

[spice spire]

Yeah but he’s also not grumpy 24/7

Checkmate buddy

[grim jay]

[gusty mirage]

People think I’m good/know what I’m talking about

It’s all a farce

I just press my buttons

[grim jay]

Do they tho ?

[gusty mirage]

my opener is prolly trash

Who knows

[spice spire]

I do

[gusty mirage]

I sometimes forget to thistle tea

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

For like 2 minutes

True story

[ruby lotus]

sin opener is to big brain

[vernal sigil]

But maining Outlaw is actually meme

[toxic burrow]

Wait is , this for real? BRB, investing in haste gear.

[gusty mirage]

What color is your Bugatti?

[cursive frost]

It changes expac to expac and will be different based on talent and stat interactions that haven’t been present before this expac

[ruby lotus]

its funny looking at damage profiles. evoker has 10 things that do dmg over brood fight. Sin rogue like 30

[gusty mirage]

It is indeed real

[flint tusk]

it'll be that new invisible paint version.

[spice spire]

The color of your guts after a visit from me (white)

[grim jay]

@gusty mirage My opener was trash on our hc clear yesterday aswell. Used DM before exs. Then I jumped down at spider and blamed lags

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

[toxic burrow]

Don't forget to add in Kharnalex. BAM, 12 things!

[gusty mirage]

I sometimes press DM before exsang

[ruby lotus]

it dropped for him to

[gusty mirage]

And I’m just like fuck

[ruby lotus]

thats why i was like WTF

[gusty mirage]

Time to stand in stupid shit and die

[marble hemlock]

i do that like 20% of the time too

[grim jay]

Probably best to just wait out DM, refresh and exs

[gusty mirage]

My fav raid moment of this tier was a warlock pulling early on terros and I get meleed

[marble hemlock]

then i just domore damage than if i had pressed exsang

[gusty mirage]

And proc cheat

[marble hemlock]

cuz my envenoms crit

and im like "okay"

[gusty mirage]

RL goes “can you stop proccing cheat death?”

I’m like bro I’m sitting in stealth minding my own business wdym

[toxic burrow]

Lucky! I want it on my evoker. I have nothing but hatred for the lucky bastards that got the heroic Kharnalex out of their weekly dungeon cache last week. Seeing guys in half blues and epics with that fine-ass staff.

[grim jay]

Bro thats so me

Its always

"There a rogue procs on pull again"

And im like

Wtf

[gusty mirage]

How the fuck am I supposed to stop someone else pulling before the tanks?

[grim jay]

I didnt even pull

[gusty mirage]

So now I shroud other people closer and then back up

[grim jay]

Just tricks the lock

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

[spice spire]

Raz trinket pulled last night

[ruby lotus]

last night was the first night we tried brood and got it on 2nd pull. And at like 5% it was me and the two tanks and 1 healer left. I told the evoker dont worry buddy youre staff is dropping. Killed it with just us 4 and staff dropped

_>

[gusty mirage]

Good that’s what you get for playing that shit trinket

[toxic burrow]

Wait.... Fuck. Is that why I'm getting almost insta-gibbed? I don't know what folks were smoking last night, but we had 8-10 early pulls from someone triggering the boss. And of those, I got smacked in stealth three times. I thought I was fucking something up like, "Wait did my prepot take me out of stealth? No, that can't be right at all."

[spice spire]

0 trinket gaming mb

[gray crest]

I'm pretty sure oxi was about to murder our ranged last Thursday because of the prepulls

[gusty mirage]

100% it’s because ranged are pulling early

[flint tusk]

that's literally why i run that "first hit" announcement and refuse to turn it off!

[gusty mirage]

No I was going to kill him because he came in a cleared late without saying shit

And killed two people

[flint tusk]

I always shroud on pull also with a WA that counts down so they can see i'm still in stealth after the first hit xD

[cursive frost]

Was wondering why terros kept trying to molest me

Fucking boomkins

[gusty mirage]

With his meaty forearms

[toxic burrow]

Well, that's it. I'm going through the logs to find the bastard that's trying to assassinate me. He's going to get swapblastered to hell.

[cursive frost]

Like getting mounted by popeye

[gusty mirage]

Lmao

[grim jay]

Oh boy

At least his hands are big enough to grab that huge dong

Wait what

[gusty mirage]

His hands are WAY too big for that in my case

He needs tweezers for that

[toxic burrow]

In before Popeye has big hands, but tinydong to go along with Ras' tiny arms.

[grim jay]

I respect that

A short king

In his own sense

[gusty mirage]

[cursive frost]

Has anyone seen any data on specs that benefit most from PI, keep trying to convince my priest to pi me instead of our unholy dk

[grim jay]

[ruby lotus]

it is def better for your UH DK

unless hes trash

[cursive frost]

Lol rip

[gusty mirage]

^

[cursive frost]

He is decent, army is broken

[gusty mirage]

Unholy DK gets stupid dps from PI

[ruby lotus]

then it woould goto a lock over you

[grim jay]

Bro dug his own grave

[ruby lotus]

realistically

[gusty mirage]

Esp on pull

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn’t be too sure about that

[ruby lotus]

oh i mean

id be glad to take it from my locks

just show me

[gusty mirage]

I get 7% with my setup

[cursive frost]

We PI demo lock and UH dk

[gusty mirage]

And that’s with only timing first one with exsang and on CD after

[cursive frost]

Tired of getting beat in ST by DK by 4%

[gusty mirage]

I was asked to sim it

[cursive frost]

Because he getting PI blue pills

[gusty mirage]

Lemme find the link

[ruby lotus]

i mean i can see PI in execute for us for sure right

like screw UH DK that time

give me it

[gusty mirage]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8SCGwZDfk7wuKT6SRHyj5z

[toxic burrow]

Whenever a teammate complains about trying to beat another member's DPS, I whisper "would you like me to assassinate him? Let's make a contract" or so. Waiting for the day that someone says yes.

[gusty mirage]

It’s a lot of damooj for us

[cursive frost]

Lol

[gusty mirage]

When I was talking to Cev his set up was similar

In % gain

[cursive frost]

You say like 7%?

[gusty mirage]

On pull, it’s 6.4% without any cute timing. At 5s it’s 7% for me

[cursive frost]

That is pretty solid

[gusty mirage]

Yeah ngl I was surprised 7% seems like a lot

[cursive frost]

I will say my pally comes through will the blessings though

[strange python]

What's it for dk/arcane tho

[cursive frost]

I imagine it has to be huge for dk on pull

[gusty mirage]

DK is much more, our arcane mage simmed it and never got more than 5%

[grim jay]

No eranog ring ?

[tulip dawn]

Would someone be able to look at a log for my Terros Heroic kill this week and give me advice on if I'm doing anything wrong? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kDpMKWBx4Y8NJ29g#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=2

[gusty mirage]

soon

[cursive frost]

And I believe demo gets like 10%

[grim jay]

Arcane gets oom sooner

[gusty mirage]

Our lock was getting 6%

Idk what he simmed

But lock APL is trash tier

So it’s probably around 10% in reality

[cursive frost]

That’s pretty trash, unfortunately for me our priest and the warlock who gets his PI are married

So no chance

[grim jay]

Which is good for us

So we can claim higher gain

[gusty mirage]

I tried giving it to our arcane mage

He wouldn’t take it

So we sat down and calculated it

[grim jay]

Like I said

[gusty mirage]

Don’t they do more damage when they go oom?

Because that was his argument

Like mana spent or some shit

[grim jay]

Dunno I think its just that at some point more haste is just weird

[gusty mirage]

He was like I go oom too fast

[grim jay]

Since he has double BL

[gusty mirage]

But like I thought that’s what buffs their damooj

Dunno. Wizard classes are dumb

[grim jay]

Im ele caster enjoyer now

As alt

Big dam

Flashy

Ugly alliance races

[gusty mirage]

Ele looks fun as fuck

[grim jay]

What else can I want more

[toxic burrow]

You have a simple task now: break them up.

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

Start with asking her if she is satisfied with her sexytime life since marriage

Hit her where it hurts

[vestal wren]

enh rotation sounded like a lot of fun

[cursive frost]

Lol he and him

[vestal wren]

tho i don't like playing non rogue melee

[toxic burrow]

I feel compelled to make and Max out some alts to test out other classes' DPS. There are 7-8 non-tank people doing tank damage in the raid, and it's kind of holding us back.

[toxic burrow]

[cursive frost]

Most classes have a competitive dps spec

[thorny pond]

Just teach them how to look at logs

[cursive frost]

Almost every class

[thorny pond]

save yourself the g'n headache

[toxic burrow]

Logs? You mean that thing we glance at to see the prett numbers then never look back at?

[thorny pond]

Nice pin @gusty mirage who got it for you?

[ruby lotus]

xD

gotta get it in my recently used

[vestal wren]

oxi

[thorny pond]

I hit my regular guild disc with that

That way they know to go

and learn h2p

[vestal wren]

is it better to use puzzle box pre pull?

[ruby lotus]

no matter how much you tell them to read, if they dont practice it wont matter

[viscid spear]

[vestal wren]

(i am joking, its not)

[toxic burrow]

I'll give it a shot though. Talking with them about the logs might help. And hell, I don't know if they've tapped into their class discord's to expand their minds.

Had a nice chat with a marmalade preserves healer about some healthy combos and it made me realize folks in this guild take tips/critique well.

[fervent fog]

Yeah i think so but better asked @balmy condor

[vestal wren]

na, its not

i was just memeing

[fervent fog]

was memeing your memeing brah

[vestal wren]

fair

[fervent fog]

❤️

[ruby lotus]

to be fair, not every class discord is like this..

[thorny pond]

Full of trolls?

[ruby lotus]

XD

[thorny pond]

Who only care about parse %?

And can't actually play?

[toxic burrow]

Still kind of... Scarred from years ago when I tried to tell a player and our guild leader that the player was playing MW wrong. He just Essence Fonted and spammed Vivify, but never threw out Renewing Mist for the Vivify cleave and gust of mist procs. That was 3-4 years ago. Checked his log last week and he never learned how to heal properly. . _.

[ruby lotus]

weird

[thorny pond]

Even though "I used to raid US 20 but blah blah blah"

[ruby lotus]

howd you know

most people just come here to ask when to use puzzle box

before or after DM

[thorny pond]

I use it prepull

one less thing to think about