#assassination

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twilit python
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that guys chill as fuck

gusty mirage
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I don't hate it

burnt latch
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Sennarth sucks, but it doesnt hold up against the absolute shit show of fatescribe and KT

gusty mirage
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it just wasn't "fun"

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it was whatever

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pretty good boss

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fair

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no slippery ice

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not a stupid fucking spider

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slowly making its way upstairs

viscid spear
gusty mirage
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not even lying

burnt latch
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dude on heroic sennarth wasnt even that bad, the stairs just make it grim

twilit python
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agreed

viscid spear
gusty mirage
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yes

thorny pond
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Fatescribe rune runner > Senn

gusty mirage
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I'd rather pull fatescribe 100 times

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over sennarth

twilit python
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yeah i lowkey would rather take fatescribe and kt

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over sennarth

oak sky
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i actually would rather do fatescribe too

burnt latch
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Kt can get absolutely fucked

viscid spear
oak sky
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fatescribe was mostly just annoying to farm

gusty mirage
viscid spear
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How much different is spider between Heroic and Mythic?

gusty mirage
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ice fucking everywhere

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tornadoes

twilit python
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fatescribe was the ultimate skip boss

drifting cloud
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you guys are crazy

twilit python
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after we got the portal we killed that boss like twice lmao

drifting cloud
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sennarth is just mildly annoying those bosses are like 3 tiers worse

burnt latch
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Fated KT was ait, do u remember the hold dps for CDs KT tho

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Before they changed that mf

gusty mirage
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I do

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and it was terrible

burnt latch
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That was some prime shit right there

gusty mirage
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like

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who the fuck comes up with these ideas

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and how do I get their job

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getting paid for shit ideas

oak sky
burnt latch
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Ye id happily apply to be their go to guy when they want to crank in a couple of stinkers to a raid tier

drifting cloud
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we havent had that maybe its new tech this week

burnt latch
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I only have bad ideas

drifting cloud
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can let you know in 18h

oak sky
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its real bad

gusty mirage
oak sky
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we couldnt prog

viscid spear
gusty mirage
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the fuck is this

oak sky
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bro

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its probably our server

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tich is known for having problems

gusty mirage
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spawn motes in p2

glass swift
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Hey yall, im doing like 27-30k sustained for 5 mins at 372 ilvl am i on the right track?

gusty mirage
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my computer grew legs and jumped out of the window

burnt latch
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Holy fuck i just realised how bad fated affixes were

gusty mirage
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they were fucking atrocious

glass swift
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Single target

burnt latch
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Why did they do that

dreamy elk
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Does raging tempest set 2 piece work in raid?

burnt latch
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Shouldve just nerfed the bosses and let us play the fights natty

gusty mirage
viscid spear
glass swift
gusty mirage
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and compare

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seems okayish for ilvl w/ no raid buffs

oak sky
glass swift
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Gotcha im hesitant to sim for some reason but i'll look into it.

gusty mirage
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UNIRONICALLY

oak sky
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AND THEN FOUR

burnt latch
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U LIKED TWO? HOW ABOUT ALL OF THEM

gusty mirage
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you got this homie

burnt latch
gusty mirage
glass swift
oak sky
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hopefully they see the feedback that affixes were dogshit

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or we get this again

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in df

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fated sennarth with creation spark soak puddles

gusty mirage
burnt latch
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Oh no

gusty mirage
burnt latch
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Dont give them the idea

oak sky
gusty mirage
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yep

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shit vault?

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unlucky

oak sky
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i mean

gusty mirage
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enjoy your ONE socket

oak sky
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1 socket isnt that bad for a normal season

gusty mirage
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yes it is

oak sky
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s4 was accelerated gearing

drifting cloud
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I mean s4 was just a meme speed season because sepulcher was most likely 2 raids combined into one

gusty mirage
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just give me 2 sockets

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so I can get a dps upgrade

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how about that

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fill out 6 boxes

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get 1 socket

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sick

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or bring back something that lets me grind sockets

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thanks

drifting cloud
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bro no shot

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we hated korthia grind

burnt latch
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Yeah big nope on that

oak sky
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dude

drifting cloud
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it was only bearable after they buffed the fuck out of it at the end

oak sky
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if anything

gusty mirage
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you're fried

burnt latch
oak sky
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later in the season we should get 2 sockets

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early season 1 socket is fine

gusty mirage
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or

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make rings drop with sockets

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always

oak sky
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i think early valor cap is fine too

gusty mirage
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how about that

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no, valor cap is fucking dumb

oak sky
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i dont think

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we should be able

drifting cloud
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reducing socket slots seems fine yeah

oak sky
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to be 415

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week 1

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bigger cap sure

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fully uncapped too early

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no

gusty mirage
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we get it you're upset you didn't play the first two weeks

burnt latch
oak sky
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why should they make everyone feel obligated

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to play 24/7

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for an entire week

gusty mirage
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why would you be obligated to play 24/7?

drifting cloud
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because uncapped valor would be way too good at start?

gusty mirage
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is your guild pushing hall of fame?

oak sky
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does it matter?

gusty mirage
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capped valor is there to prevent degen shit from the RWF guilds

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really worked wonders

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they for sure didn't do ANY degen shit

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amirite?

drifting cloud
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I mean not really

oak sky
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its to make gearing an actual process

burnt latch
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The sockets mattered less than valor uncapped would and people in aotc guilds were feeling forced to farm it

oak sky
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and not let you instantly invalidate the heroic raid

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like

gusty mirage
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lmao

oak sky
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bosses arent tuned for full 415 gear

burnt latch
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LMAO

drifting cloud
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capped valor has been a thing everytime except s4 and its worked fine

gusty mirage
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then make upgrades a flat amount

oak sky
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i think they could give you 2 sockets when you get uncapped valor

terse otter
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Does oh ilvl matters a lot? Not sure if should push lariat or oh to 418 first

gusty mirage
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if you play fury warrior and drop 2 weapons from m+ you just get fucked?

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lmao

drifting cloud
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yeah fury warr is weird

oak sky
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like at a certain point in the season it gets late enough that theyre like fuck it finish gearing

gusty mirage
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if I drop a dagger from m+

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I can't upgrade it

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it's not even worth the valor

oak sky
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i agree with that

drifting cloud
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2sparks aswell and stuff

gusty mirage
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that's asinine

oak sky
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they should standardize costs

shut owl
burnt latch
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I stg low end mythic raiding guilds / aotc raiding guilds have the wildest requirements compared to their level of play. These mfs dont mess about

gusty mirage
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and finish like WR 5k

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LMAO

burnt latch
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Lmao actually truth its mad

gusty mirage
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any raid leader

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forcing a +20

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and not in the HoF

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needs to reassess themselves

shut owl
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big true

burnt latch
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Dude even my guilds not forcing 20s

oak sky
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everything is optional for us basically

gusty mirage
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we didn't even require anything

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we just asked people to run more m+ so they didn't roll into mythic at 389 ilvl like @oak sky did

oak sky
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i had finals

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sue me

gusty mirage
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maybe I will

burnt latch
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Because gl trying to convince our mistweaver healer to drag that shitty spec into a +20 and heal it

gusty mirage
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🧑‍⚖️

drifting cloud
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why do you need ilvl oxi just play better starege

oak sky
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im geared now tho

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im 407

gusty mirage
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it doesn't do any damage

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meanwhile it ticks for 10% of my health

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of course our warlock doesn't realize it hurts

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crazy

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mfer had burning rush on

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ALL of terros

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no one noticed

drifting cloud
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wtf are you doing in ice for 10s+

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where youd care

burnt latch
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Warlock barely noticed it because it barely hits more than his 100% uptime burning rush

gusty mirage
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running up the stairs?

drifting cloud
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??

outer cairn
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So I did a quick sim on target dummy to see what I'm at and running the DTB bleed w/exsang build and this is what the sim showed as my opener, which is a way different than the recommended. I tried it and my initial burst from the beginning seems much higher but it obviously desynchs vanish and dm.

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gusty mirage
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do you just teleport?

drifting cloud
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gate + roar?

gusty mirage
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am I missing some secret ryler tech?

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oh

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you think a druid stays with us?

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or a healer?

drifting cloud
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what do you mean stays

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you all go up same time

gusty mirage
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bro

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dead ass

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they go up early

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and melee just gets ass pounded

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lmao

drifting cloud
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early? like on 1st set?

gusty mirage
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yes

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we lose 1 person every single time to the ice

drifting cloud
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you just go up as soon as circle goes away

gusty mirage
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they're already up on the 2nd platform by then

drifting cloud
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because otherwise youre even further behind on 2nd stairs

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waiting for gate cd

burnt latch
gusty mirage
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like bro

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every single pull

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a melee dies

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to the ice

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I have to cloak and run up slipping and sliding like a dumbass

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lmao

burnt latch
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how tho, it doesnt do anything

gusty mirage
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true

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just dark pact

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I'm rerolling wizard

burnt latch
gusty mirage
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sick of this shit

drifting cloud
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ngl sounds nothing like how my pulls looked

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atleast 1st stairs are free

gusty mirage
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aren't you on mythic raz?

dreamy elk
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Sorry to repeat; does raging tempest 2 piece bonus work in raid?

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The bonus secondary stat?

gusty mirage
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it should, haven't checked it out tbh

drifting cloud
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bro what im 1 boss infront of you

gusty mirage
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damn bro you guys suck

burnt latch
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LOL

gusty mirage
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washed

drifting cloud
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no its just you will see kurog and dathea

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are actual bosses

gusty mirage
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imma have a talk with your RL

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about their rogue

drifting cloud
gusty mirage
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too busy bullying people in discord

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instead of doing his prep work

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smh

burnt latch
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We had more pulls on sennarth than on either kurog or dathea

drifting cloud
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dude youre like wr30

balmy condor
gusty mirage
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do it

balmy condor
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He’s way too cute to be in that raid

drifting cloud
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im not sure unless you overgear dathea hard

burnt latch
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that ice spider is my guilds nemesis

drifting cloud
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that boss looks pretty hard for like wr500

gusty mirage
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I woulda joined doms if yall weren't raiding 1800 days a week for the first month

drifting cloud
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but maybe its some 5heal angle with more gear

balmy condor
oak sky
gusty mirage
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you guys have a ret pally

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obviously comp matters

drifting cloud
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no they wish they had a ret pally

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for devo

gusty mirage
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you have minalba's crusty ass playing a DH

drifting cloud
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they have no pally

balmy condor
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We would much rather recruit a 7th boomkin that will eat shit on prog

balmy condor
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Minalba got Brazil’d

gusty mirage
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oh true

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no power?

balmy condor
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No internet no power no computer

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L

gusty mirage
drifting cloud
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but yeah oxi dont worry spider you just get upstairs like 3 times and boss dies

burnt latch
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Lmao is that such a common occurance that it even has its own term

balmy condor
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Our spriest filled in

gusty mirage
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I just wanna go back to farming heroic and normal parses

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where I belong

burnt latch
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Showed it all my 3 inches

oak sky
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wtf

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@bleak sky babe are you ok

gusty mirage
balmy condor
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5 second freezes mid pull

gusty mirage
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ngl

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I was freezing on pull

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until I upgraded

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his forearms were too meaty for my PC

gusty mirage
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I wish you'd show me your 3 inches

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I mean wait what

drifting cloud
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is whispyr not raiding today

balmy condor
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I miss @warped temple’s 1 inch Hong Kong schlong

burnt latch
drifting cloud
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or did I miss it

gusty mirage
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no they don't raid wednesdays

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that was just first month

drifting cloud
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isnt it still first month

balmy condor
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I also Never raid Wednesdays

drifting cloud
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I see

gusty mirage
balmy condor
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Cause I’m at work on Wednesdays

gusty mirage
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you lose track of time when you raid 5 days a week

balmy condor
oak sky
drifting cloud
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arent we week 4 of raid

balmy condor
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They raider today

gusty mirage
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idk ryler

drifting cloud
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🐲

balmy condor
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Normal clear

gusty mirage
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english is a second language for me

oak sky
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its week 4

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yeah

gusty mirage
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stop bullying me

burnt latch
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I have 42 hours of scheduled raiding this reset how about that

oak sky
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i have 8

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  • 3 hour alt run
gusty mirage
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bro I don't even spend 40 hours in the office at work

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wtf

balmy condor
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you left that guild right

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Surely

brazen quail
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Bro is a bowler on Wednesday’s

bleak sky
burnt latch
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Nope, still going strong

brazen quail
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Can you hook me up with the best lane ball please 😭

bleak sky
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pretty sure if I wasn't freezing on terros we would have killed it

balmy condor
balmy condor
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It’s okay

burnt latch
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Holidays are over, so we are back to raiding 7 days a week for 6 hours minimum

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YEEEEHAW

bleak sky
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listen here whore

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i am a 4pc gamer now

balmy condor
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Yeah?

bleak sky
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am over 70k dps!!!!!

gusty mirage
bleak sky
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insane!!!!!!

balmy condor
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You gonna bring a debuff like a good dh?

gusty mirage
bleak sky
oak sky
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razzy

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?

balmy condor
burnt latch
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Yeah razzy D

balmy condor
burnt latch
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We were only raiding 4 days the past 2 resets

balmy condor
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7 day 6 hour

burnt latch
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So now everyones refreshed starege

balmy condor
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Actual mental illness

gusty mirage
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imagine

runic hinge
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That’s a full on job lol

brazen quail
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“Only”

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Bro

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You work more than I do at my actual job

echo geyser
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heavybreathing @burnt latch u good fam?

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better get like WR 20

balmy condor
gusty mirage
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lmaooooooooooo

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I'm waiting for 10.1

brazen quail
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Plz tell me y’all selling carry on the side or something

gusty mirage
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"we're going to a 4 day schedule"

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so I can be like aight bet

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gquit

burnt latch
# balmy condor 7 day 6 hour

Thats whats scheduled, i wouldnt put my money on our raids starting at 18 and ending at midnight on weekends, the kills is close better squeeze out a few more pulls boys YEEEEHAW

echo geyser
balmy condor
oak sky
gusty mirage
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then I go back to being an aotc andy

balmy condor
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Elusive PoV

drifting cloud
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I dunno whispyr I would prolly not flame

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when your guild did 4days and hasnt killed terros yet

burnt latch
# echo geyser better get like WR 20

We lost like 10 world ranks during the holidays because all the other guilds around us apprently dont have family and friends they need to visit

balmy condor
oak sky
balmy condor
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@safe frigate tell Omni to stop fucking adding raid days like a degenerate

drifting cloud
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finns just go hard

burnt latch
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Truth just gotta get a few clean pulls and bossie dead

marble hemlock
echo geyser
burnt latch
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0 pulls so far but boss nerfed right cant be too hard

oak sky
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just raid 24h a day until the kill

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should be easy

marble hemlock
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There's 7 rasza kills already

balmy condor
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My flame doesn’t discriminate

drifting cloud
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rasz got nerfed?

marble hemlock
balmy condor
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If you’re raiding 40 hours a week

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You’re a fucking lunatic

frigid pilot
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is it better to save pot for execute

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or with lust?

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if we lust opener

oak sky
drifting cloud
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agreon wowprog was shit

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before you played wow

echo geyser
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prob chinese guilds

drifting cloud
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stop looking at it

oak sky
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shouldve checked rio like a human

brazen quail
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If you’re raiding 40 hours a week and not making money from that progression you are wild

balmy condor
marble hemlock
oak sky
marble hemlock
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Neither does wclogs apparently

burnt latch
balmy condor
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Neither does blizzard anymore

drifting cloud
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not sure why theyre not on wcl, they probably dont log or what?

oak sky
drifting cloud
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other cn guilds are there

burnt latch
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Some of these mfs be day raiding for wr 15

oak sky
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damn fsy is so close

burnt latch
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Thats some commitment

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Fsy are fucking insane

oak sky
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everyone else is in p2 now right

proper basin
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!simguide

prisma monolithBOT
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Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

burnt latch
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Theres that one china guild on a sub 1% wipe iirc

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712 pulls in

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LOL

drifting cloud
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they just like raiding ok

burnt latch
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These guys are playing in 12 hour shifts, surely

gusty mirage
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789 pulls

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my god

drifting cloud
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yeah think it was 500 before they get out of 1st intermission

echo geyser
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happy_holiday_pepe gotta admire the mental fortitude

dark token
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Thunder Dragon 基爾紮紮德 Beam kill 冰精灵 Spawn lightning 危險地上的圓圈 Shield Will break 朋友是敵人 The breath comes for us 怪物不死族出現 Sacrificial circles

drifting cloud
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the best part is when you look i$ pull count

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think they started pulling boss same time as that cn guild

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I remember xyro tweeted it once lets see

oak sky
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id had a pretty good tier didnt they

drifting cloud
burnt latch
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Fast money were incredible this tier

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Going from wr 52 in CN to wr 6 in 10.0

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Hats off

dark token
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Bunch of ex rwf raiders in there

ebon notch
burnt latch
ebon notch
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Making me look bad

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Saying it's not "useful damage"

burnt latch
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We did that too

drifting cloud
ebon notch
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They wanted me on outlaw to kill the adds then they filter it out smh

burnt latch
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I was top BatChest after the pi recieving warlocks

ebon notch
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I was 2nd overall

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But my boss damage was not amazing

burnt latch
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How much boss damage did u do

ebon notch
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Even though I'm just beating the shit out of him the entire time

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Idk I can check ig

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19.3m

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I beat the windwalker and a balance druid

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Idk kinda hard to fuck up when you're perma cleaving off boss

balmy condor
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Beating a boomkin?

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Baaaaaaaat

ebon notch
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Probs my dogshit versa really not helping with my ST

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With Vers phial I have like 15%

oak sky
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were you otl

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sorry

ebon notch
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Yeah

oak sky
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what are you on brood

ebon notch
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@balmy condor did you see incarnate icon changes

balmy condor
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Yeah

ebon notch
burnt latch
ebon notch
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Do you have eranog ring

burnt latch
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Ye the normal ilvl one

ebon notch
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Nice

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That's a big Vers injection

grim tangle
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our outlaw did 22.6mil you guys suck

ebon notch
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WH OMEGALUL

oak sky
ebon notch
burnt latch
ebon notch
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Was cranking as assa on some bosses too

ebon notch
oak sky
burnt latch
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About 9 mins

ebon notch
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Nice

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4 ilvl ahead of me also

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Shesh

gusty mirage
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hotter than you too

ebon notch
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Rogue too strong

ebon notch
gusty mirage
burnt latch
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Yeah im geared to the teeth, only missing mythic eranog ring from full bis p much

ebon notch
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What the fuck

burnt latch
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And a trinket ig

ebon notch
drifting cloud
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I got 2set

burnt latch
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Oh pog gz

gusty mirage
balmy condor
burnt latch
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Id love a dathy trinket

ebon notch
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Big for keys and brood and rasz

ebon notch
burnt latch
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What spec did u play on terros today

ebon notch
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Assa

drifting cloud
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why is dathea trinket big for rasz

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are you padding!!

burnt latch
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How much dam did u do

gusty mirage
ebon notch
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Immune a breath

drifting cloud
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does rogue care

oak sky
ebon notch
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Not having to fly about and shit

gusty mirage
ebon notch
gusty mirage
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I'm reading your name

drifting cloud
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rasz prolly a week or two away from some minor nerfs

gusty mirage
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as "Fot Mr. Ouge"

drifting cloud
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anyways

ebon notch
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Nvm now I'm doing it

oak sky
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:lawyering:

gusty mirage
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first I get bullied by ryler for speaking english as a 2nd language

burnt latch
# ebon notch Not enough

Ive played that fight as assa every week, decided to try outlaw this week for a change and gave it the fat pirate willy

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gusty mirage
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now daps is saying I have a brain condition tied to concussions

ebon notch
burnt latch
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Wait wrong ss

drifting cloud
burnt latch
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This one

ebon notch
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You're too geared bro

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I'm getting close to cev now at least

gusty mirage
drifting cloud
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ok sorry to bother you

ebon notch
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On sennarth I exsang'd my deathmark

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On pull

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Which was really fun

gusty mirage
drifting cloud
gusty mirage
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now daps on the other hand?

ebon notch
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Wtf did I do

burnt latch
gusty mirage
toxic burrow
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My guild is struggling on HDathea, and I'm now being pulled on the platforms as a sin. 😦

ebon notch
drifting cloud
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finns built diffy

oak sky
burnt latch
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Im telling u its the cold hands

ebon notch
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@burnt latch on one shield on heroic razs I managed to do 450k DPS and 7m damage in 15 seconds

gusty mirage
drifting cloud
oak sky
ebon notch
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Was fucking nuts

gusty mirage
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beat the outlaw rogue in your group in ST damage

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and then we'll talk

oak sky
burnt latch
ebon notch
burnt latch
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Mustve been assa?

ebon notch
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Yeah

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Full CDs + exsang + puzzle box

drifting cloud
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did you grieftorch that shield?

#

ah ok

ebon notch
#

Don't have one so no

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I should've run the kB build

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Damage for every shield

oak sky
#

kb is way better

ebon notch
#

Cev told me off after

oak sky
#

100p

drifting cloud
#

does it matter for hc razs

burnt latch
#

Cev pulled u off? Thats hot

ebon notch
#

"you should know this"

oak sky
#

probably

gusty mirage
#

but its more damage

oak sky
#

i think ours died faster when i went kb

ebon notch
#

So

drifting cloud
#

play sub starege

ebon notch
oak sky
#

exsang besad

ebon notch
oak sky
#

i actually think exsang wasnt that good for heroic tho

drifting cloud
#

ive yet to press exsang

#

since prepatch

ebon notch
#

Ur cool

drifting cloud
#

no im just 2p raid logger

burnt latch
#

I played it on one boss last reset

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And changed back to not playing it

oak sky
ebon notch
#

What

burnt latch
#

Fuck thst button

ebon notch
#

It's not even that bad

burnt latch
#

I hate it

ebon notch
#

Don't be babies

#

It's more interactive than just refreshing shit at least

oak sky
#

you know what exsang is

burnt latch
#

Its shit in a can

oak sky
#

just refreshing shit

#

💀

ebon notch
#

Yeah

#

But more

#

Which means it's more interactive

oak sky
#

its like

ebon notch
#

God I hate this emote

oak sky
#

annoying to use

burnt latch
#

I refuse to play exsang (and therefor assa) untill we have a 0.5% wipe on raz

#

Then i can be open to discussions

ebon notch
#

Secret tech

#

You playing outlaw or sub

burnt latch
#

Im like the highest simming outlaw rogue itw so guess thats locked in pretty much

ebon notch
#

Nice

#

I'm not that

burnt latch
#

My box had a 421 crit versa sword today, just to confirm the decision cuz i wasnt sure

#

Was 50/50 between sub and law

ebon notch
#

Smh

#

Flexing like this

drifting cloud
#

maybe open box as sub loot spec then

ebon notch
#

Mythic grieftorch as well

drifting cloud
#

you rigged the odds

ebon notch
#

I'm going to be I'm disgusted

burnt latch
ebon notch
#

Bed*

#

Gn

burnt latch
#

Have a gn

ebon notch
#

U2

burnt latch
oak sky
#

our guild hasnt dropped a single grieftorch

#

lmao

#

on any difficulty

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only 2 in vault

gleaming sedge
#

whats the ideal poisons for the kb+ic build

balmy condor
#

Well let’s think about it

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You don’t take amp, so that rules that out

#

Instant poison is deadly poison without the dot, so not that

brazen zodiac
#

oh no

balmy condor
#

Wound poison doesn’t do damage in pve so that’s not an option

brazen zodiac
#

stop right there mister.

balmy condor
#

So we got deadly poison as the only poison left

brazen zodiac
#

wheres that concentrated primal

balmy condor
#

Then for the non-lethal

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We got crippling, or numbing

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crippling is just a slow

#

That’s not impressive

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Numbing is actual utility

#

That seems nice

#

So we take that one

#

Now we’re left with deadly + crippling

#

Like comment and subscribe for more logical thought processes, and make sure to ring that bell if you’re a thinker

stable lintel
#

LOL

gleaming sedge
#

yeah its my first day on the class, my bad :(

brazen zodiac
#

oh dear

stable lintel
#

on wowlogs whats the difference between parse % and key %?

#

guess this is the wrong place to ask this

sharp onyx
balmy condor
dark token
balmy condor
#

I think

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Maybe

#

Idk

sharp onyx
balmy condor
#

Mythic+ parses are stupid fucking stupid

#

Really really badly designed

#

They don’t show shit honestly

sharp onyx
dark token
#

You need to look at dmg by key level and even then it's shit

oak sky
#

m+ logs are only for analyzing

dark token
#

Also wcl dmg doesn't match details dmg etc

mental wasp
#

Whats the worst that happens if you place a crafting order with all mats for a 405 piece?? Can you get worse than 405?

#

public order** sorry

violet jackal
#

Warcraftlog M+ parse is damage overall compared to others and key is basically M+ scoring compared to others

sharp onyx
#

So 50/50 gamble I assume

vital reef
#

Simc just told me to use Phial of Vers... is this right?

brazen zodiac
oak sky
#

a lot of times you can just randomly get a good craft tbh

brazen zodiac
#

straight gamble yeah

drifting cloud
#

402 most of the time but you can get lower

brazen zodiac
#

what item r u trying to craft

mental wasp
#

flaming leather cowl

brazen zodiac
#

what server

mental wasp
#

thrall

sharp onyx
brazen zodiac
#

thats pretty easy anyways to be able to craft at 402 if ur somewhat active so u should get a 402

#

but u might get a 399

oak sky
#

i mean tbh they arent trying to ruin your day they probably just need to do some crafts

mental wasp
#

just got someone to do it for free, 402

brazen zodiac
#

^ yeah and with lw specifically a lot of people go inspiration so u can have like 45%+

mental wasp
#

ill take it

brazen zodiac
#

ezpz

oak sky
#

i had to craft a ring today

#

:/

brazen zodiac
spice spire
violet jackal
#

I’m thinking of crafting a ring as well, cowl is cringe

brazen zodiac
spice spire
#

Damn I thought you could do pants

#

Rough

brazen zodiac
#

?

#

i can do pants?

#

use t3 mats so resourcefulness?? duh??

violet jackal
#

Alchemy got chaffed on the crafting order system, petition to move phials and potions to work orders and some for fun poison craft for rogue thematic Sinscheme

brazen zodiac
#

resourcefulness is actually the most based thing this crafting system has

spice spire
#

You true mb

brazen zodiac
#

so incredibly unbelievably based.

#

sure let me save 11 of ur t3 2k per mat

#

thanks bliz

violet jackal
#

Multi craft is the true hero

brazen zodiac
#

lmao i didnt know that if ur multicrafting someone elses shit that it goes to them

#

makes sense but lmaoo

violet jackal
#

I submit weekly treatise and one of them always multi crafts saving me a few gold the next week travicEz

brazen zodiac
#

i multicrafted someones t3 armor kit when i have 0 points into + it inspired so he just got like a free 20k lmao

gusty mirage
dark token
violet jackal
oak sky
#

ill probably recraft it to crit vers if i ever get bis rings

violet jackal
#

Filthy

#

I only talk to sin one tricks if your gear isn’t all crit mastery we can’t be friends

oak sky
#

i mean

#

the crafted ring is crit haste rn

#

simmed higher

#

i have like no haste

supple prawn
#

what slots are most optimal for tier set

#

wanna spend my conquest but not something im gonna switch out down the line ya feel

#

have legs and main hand not sure what to get next

oak sky
#

head worst

#

wait

#

for pvp

#

uh

#

prob check pvp

#

channel

supple prawn
#

oh mb

oak sky
#

all good man

blissful crown
#

!logs

terse otter
#

guys does offhands ilvl matter a lot for our dps? Not sure if i should recraft to 418 my lariat or offhand first.

drifting cloud
#

you can sim it but its probably lariat

last kite
#

MH>Lariat>oh seems to be the way to go

terse otter
#

thx

#

dont rly know how to sim it, preety new to sims

oak sky
#

!simguide

prisma monolithBOT
#

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

oak sky
#

check that out and ask anything that isnt clear

brazen nimbus
#

!logs

bleak eagle
#

so im not sure if anyone else noticed this but popping tricks while in stealth with spiteful storm trinket will still activate it and put u in combat

toxic burrow
#

That's kind of silly.

turbid heath
#

Do you guys always pop tricks?

bleak eagle
#

u got to be targeted on it to be fair

#

yeah always pop it

upper elm
#

24/7

turbid heath
#

Oh legit? I never use it 😅

upper elm
#

It's your go to chad spell to avoid getting killed by a boss/mob without waiting for tank to build up some aggro

oak sky
#

tricks should pretty much get casted before every trash pack

toxic burrow
#

If targeting with Tricks is what stops you, download TankMD and setup a Tricks keybind. Pressing it will pop Tricks on your party's tank. Careful when popping it in a raid since there's a separate bind for MT and OT.

plain moon
#

That trinket is just fucked. Shaman in our raid kept pulling the boss before the ready check by dropping a totem or entering raptor form

ionic matrix
#

is the opener for DTB not worth forcing 6 point rupture for the mark damage?

weak horizon
#

Rupture does same dmg/tick regardless of # of cp

#

It's just duration that changes based on CP

cerulean walrus
#

Stealthing will stack Spite. Applying poisons will stack Spite. Detection will stack Spite. Tricks will also stack Spite.

grim jay
#

All about them stacks

safe frigate
thorn crater
#

Didn’t spiteful receive some kind of buff?

#

But ye I have pulled by pressing IC while target tabbing at those we were running past in case of needing to sap

tawny geyser
#

401 ilvl , (bad weapons) , why am I pulling only 48k dps on most fights? I am following the opener from Sin FAQ. 395 Outlaw is outdpsing me.

earnest imp
#

Is spiteful good now?

craggy sierra
#

dumb question, does our 4 piece show up anywhere on the debuff bar or in details or anything?

fading wigeon
#

!logs

minor rover
#

I'm confused on the AoE rotation of DTB, in m+ scenarios, after the out of stealth free garrotes run out, what do you do? Do you keep spamming envenom for bombs, do you reapply garrotes and ruptures to a certain amount of targets or what is the general guidelines

eternal vortex
#

u are basicly playing like u did before

#

apply rupture to targets then fok

grim jay
strange python
#

How good is rasz trinket now?

oak sky
#

🔮 your answer is..... the buffs will be implemented in x hours

grim jay
worn panther
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
#

Maybe we shouldn't have d/ed this week

tawny geyser
brittle burrow
#

you write !logs and Moroes opens a thread for you. there you post the log-link

tawny geyser
#

!log

grim jay
#

And now you just wait until someone has the time to spare

loud silo
#

ayo boys does nelf stealth garrote empower like in bfa or nah?

thorn crater
#

Anyone done 18+ academy this week?

#

How hard is tree now

strange python
#

Hey, was reading assa apl and was wondering the meaning of two things and how they're calculated :
will_lose_exsanguinate
pmultiplier

eternal vortex
thorn crater
#

I have a 18 algethar and I really wanna clear it for loot with no leaves but I ain’t very sure it will happen hence asking :p

eternal vortex
#

if the other pugs dont fuck up the 17 it wouldve been a free intime like legit

#

beside the tree none of the bosses do anything

#

the tree also became easier

thorn crater
#

Lariat or cowl upgrade first to 418?

#

I’d assume cowl for the main stat as well right

loud silo
#

itd be cowl if you have ring right?

#

oh ye and main

thorn crater
#

I mean why would I have crafted it without ring :p

#

Already did main

#

Just making sure lariat comes last

loud silo
#

on paper it makes more sense

thorn crater
#

Ye I don’t know how to sim ilvl differences

loud silo
#

gear compare

#

and do seperate gears sets

thorn crater
#

You can add a random item?

#

I’ll give it a go thanks

loud silo
grim jay
#

As I simed it back then, head was a good bit better to upgrade over neck

#

Which should be fairly obvious due to agi

thorn crater
#

my thoughts exactly

flint ridge
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
flint ridge
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
brazen zodiac
#

so cute

#

hey nice flaring cowl whered u get it

balmy condor
#

idk some shit crafter that needed to 11 crafts to hit 418

#

and cost me all my money

brazen zodiac
#

:(

thorn crater
#

when did u turn furry

#

and WHY

hardy dagger
#

How was Icon simmed in the bis setup?

thorn crater
#

where is the belf

balmy condor
#

belf boring

thorn crater
#

since when?!

#

the fuck what happened?

#

u said u were never gonna race change no?

balmy condor
brazen zodiac
#

yeah he also said he was a nice guy who would never hurt anyones feelings

#

:(

balmy condor
hardy dagger
#

Ah cool

balmy condor
#

should be able to just add like 300 dps to any icon sim

hardy dagger
#

With the change it's actually usable

balmy condor
#

in my spreadsheet

#

so it's uhhhhh

#

puzzle + icon would be -0.6%

#

instead of -1%

#

equal to puzzle + current tech

#

roughly

#

little worse than puzzle + current tech

hardy dagger
#

Cause getting a 421 puzzle boxstarege

balmy condor
#

I mean you still need a puzzle box

#

grieftorch + icon is -3%

hardy dagger
#

415 still beats a icon then I guessblobsweat

balmy condor
#

yeh

#

lemme put it this way

#

I have a 421 icon

#

and a 408 whetstone atm

#

the whetstone sucks

#

obviously

#

mythic grieftorch is +2.4%

hardy dagger
#

Well then gonna run some academysCheesin

balmy condor
#

a 415 box is +2.9%

hardy dagger
#

Aye grieftorch is fantastic

#

Great for prog aswell

balmy condor
#

yeah and puzzle is fantasticer

hardy dagger
#

The exams opener with puzzle cast time is loooongPepeSteer

#

Exangmysides

grim jay
#

Having both is fantastabolous

hardy dagger
#

Gotta love the raz p3 puzzle box exang bl kb execute dmgPepeStonks

grim jay
#

Honestly for me it somehow feels worse to play puzzle without exs than playing with exs in general

royal lantern
#

or the ussual "handle it like you do exsang, depeens in the fight"

balmy condor
#

yeh

#

you will cast it with exsang

#

but you hold exsang depending on situation right

royal lantern
#

so yeha, with exsang, and then depeending on how exsang is used

balmy condor
#

if it's a 5 min fight, you hold the exsang

#

and you hold the puzzle box

#

for 4 min

#

same concept

grim jay
#

Holding it 4 min Macky

thorn crater
#

so u do puzzlebox exsang DM?

grim jay
#

Yeah, holding it as long as you dont miss a cast

royal lantern
#

the icon change was just "its raidwide now" yes....?

thorn crater
#

doesnt puzzlebox take like 2 seconds to cast?

grim jay
thorn crater
#

2 separate questions

grim jay
royal lantern
#

always

grim jay
#

Always apply max before exs and since you want puzzle to buff all of exs window, you use it before applying dots

thorn crater
#

whats the diff with er rup box

#

rup deoesnt snapshot

polar matrix
#

if you only have a single shiv in talents

#

you slam on cd right?

steel ridge
thorn crater
steel ridge
#

you would ofc hold exsang and box to match deathmark

thorn crater
#

its a whole minute though

steel ridge
#

its a wet noodle without dm tho

balmy condor
#

if you don't miss a cast

#

you hold

#

if you would miss a cast, you don't hold

steel ridge
#

most kill times rn are like you get puzzle on opener and in execute

balmy condor
#

like if the fight is 6:30 or whatever

#

you would be an idiot to hold

#

but if it's like 5:30

#

you hold

steel ridge
#

if you have a fight timer like 3:30-3:45 you would even hold dm for puzzle to get them matching in execute

#

you have 2 dm anyway, might aswell make them hurt

balmy condor
#

yeh

steel ridge
#

but that takes good anticipation for fight length, which isnt always easy

balmy condor
#

just fight timing stuff

steel ridge
#

so just sending and praying you get another use might be the call 😄

balmy condor
#

rule is just always sync last cast with something better

#

if you aren't getting another cast of it off, you hold

steel ridge
#

4 minute kill timers are the most sadge

balmy condor
#

our normal kill times last week

thorn crater
#

so

balmy condor
thorn crater
#

did the sim apl start to behave?

balmy condor
#

1:25 eranog

steel ridge
#

we had 1:37 eranog

balmy condor
steel ridge
#

that was pretty sadge

thorn crater
#

the whole, send on CD thing doing more deeps t han holding

#

with the whole sync dont sync vanish

steel ridge
#

not sure i understand your question

thorn crater
#

ok so, before the release apl optimized play by sending everything on cd without syncing anything

#

including vanishing after exsang garrote expired

#

just asking if anything has changed

balmy condor
#

no

#

that's still better sim dps

thorn crater
#

kk ty

royal lantern
strange python
#

Wait you don't vanish pre exsang? Since when

earnest imp
#

@balmy condor is spite trinket now a more valid option or still gutter tier? 🙂

grim jay
strange python
#

It was never pure gutter tier. It was just a little sim baity because of the target swapping and ramp.

#

Unless I read the changes wrong it'll probably compete with CCT now.

earnest imp
#

Does this really change anything?

#

The buffs

strange python
#

Idk if it will make it better than puzzle or grief

balmy condor
#

thing was legit the worst fucking trinket we could've looted

strange python
#

I'm not convinced it's trash, other than the full ST part

balmy condor
#

we're talking about this thing right

image.png
#

the agi stat stick with a tickle proc?

strange python
#

Yeah it got buffed

earnest imp
#

And also Whispyr as your up and running, how would you fit puzzle when playing dtb without exsang into the rotation? In m+ I remember you recommended to use it after IC Garrote rupture

balmy condor
#

yeah by 15% brother

royal lantern
steel ridge
#

still garbanzo

balmy condor
#

it was almost 3% down on its best combination

#

it needed like 50% KEKW

strange python
#

It never simmed that far behind CCT for me tbh

balmy condor
strange python
#

But I guess grief and puzzle are just insane

balmy condor
#

this is best combo spiteful

#

and the second best is already off a cliff

image.png
#

but like you look at what this trinket is competing with

image.png
strange python
#

But it was 15% damage and change the stacking CD from 1 to .1 right?

#

Or was that what made it 15%