assassination

[chilly viper]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

Whatever percentage that your topgear setup gives you

[chilly viper]

Thought there might be a % we're aiming for

[limber lion]

You thought wrong

[chilly viper]

Sure was

[copper hazel]

shoot for the sky, aim for the moon

[gusty mirage]

Okay calm down Aristotle

[copper hazel]

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

34%

[strange python]

421 chest with speed or 421 whetstone

Hmmmm

[slim hamlet]

is it tier chest

[strange python]

Yes but I have tier chest already

[slim hamlet]

Well

[strange python]

And will inevitably get 421 at some point

[slim hamlet]

The chest u will use forever no matter what, the trink prob not

No idea what I would choose

Depends on which trinket you might have

I already have giga trinks so there is that

[frigid pilot]

worth or nah?

500 dps increase but not bis so kinda troll

[shut owl]

Sounds like it's an upgrade?

[gleaming geyser]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[pseudo hamlet]

Depends what else you've got

[shut owl]

I'd take it unless something else was gonna give me 500 dps lol

[gaunt pier]

Hey gang, been loving Assassination but man for whatever reason i'm finding it hard to get my dps above 35-40k in raid. Like nothing I do. I'm kind of at a crossroad of should I go Sub or just slink back to Outlaw (played outlaw forever)

[shut owl]

Ask for a log review?

[gaunt pier]

that'd be a way to go, thx

[keen spruce]

i was on 3 piece tier all of last week. Dathea and Broodkeeper both refused to drop tier in heroic... but the vault gods are kind

29 ilvls on the gloves and 4 piece

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-gif-25773979

[shut owl]

Can't wait to get home and crack open my vault of disappointment lol

Couldn't find anyone who wanted to push keys with me on a chill week, so I'm sitting on a full stack of 14s t-t

[normal mist]

Having friends is hard

[keen spruce]

I think i pugged like 40 SBGs and CoS last week

[normal mist]

Any luck on gear from all those runs tho?

[vital reef]

What talent buffs the Non-Lethal poisons? Is there one?

[normal mist]

Master poisoner? Idk the name it's on the left side of rogue tree

[limber lion]

Master Poisoner does.

[polar matrix]

@Davyn yo bro remember looking at my raidbots yday when i asked about crafting flaring cowl?

[vital reef]

Ahh there it is!

[polar matrix]

i actually got chest tpiece in vault hahaha

[limber lion]

Nice nice

[vital reef]

If I'm the only rogue in the raid - I gota get all that stuff right? And I'm basically forced to go Assn with 2x poisons?

[normal mist]

Why?

[vital reef]

3.6% damage and ~20% attack speed debuff, that seems op?

[limber lion]

You can't get both

It's a choice node

[normal mist]

It is good yes but you can only choose one

[vital reef]

Ohh shit it is

[normal mist]

I'll let cev do the answering part, i shouldn't be here while working xD

[vital reef]

sorry new to this

Okay - if I'm the only rogue I get that node and only need to stress about 1 non-lethal poison. Atro is better IMO

[limber lion]

It is

Numbing is not super great in the raid

Doesn't affect every boss, only affects susceptible bosses' melee speed but even then it's kinda miniscule

[keen spruce]

no just focuses. no CoS ring 😦

[hexed root]

Forgot to swap spec before opening vault.

[vital reef]

Any recommendation on what to drop from the BIS Talent trees to fit in Master Poisoner?

[keen spruce]

i run this for raid

[vital reef]

Interesting - no gouge?

That seems to be the spot you saved a point

[keen spruce]

yeah I mean i guess you could gougue like... dathea platform adds or something

but it's pretty useless on bosses

[vital reef]

OHH

thats a different skil than I was thinking

Sorry - very new to this

Perfect

[keen spruce]

npnp

we have 3 rogues so I don't mind dropping tricks

if you really need tricks I guess you just drop master poisoneer

[vital reef]

Master is better than tricks right?

By far In my head

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean tricks just helps tanks get aggro

which shouldn't be an issue

but yknow

[vital reef]

Master is a .6% Damage debuff to the boss, while not HUGE - its nowhere near as small as tricks

like - use thunderclap man!

[polar matrix]

@limber lion are you using KB build mate?

[wary ice]

I like tricks in keys cause u can start rupture spreading while the pull is being built but i drop it on every build in every spec for raid

[slim hamlet]

Noob

[timber meadow]

wtf do I even take... this is a wild vault

[keen spruce]

yeah tricks in m+ is very important

[slim hamlet]

Wtf

is that

holy

mother of god

[keen spruce]

raid i almost never press it

[hexed root]

Ring or wep

[limber lion]

wtfffffffff

[slim hamlet]

U actually

Have 4 bis

huh

or well 3 but 421 dagger

[limber lion]

It's 100% either a CoS ring or a Puzzle Box angle

[timber meadow]

like

wtf

[slim hamlet]

I take

[timber meadow]

is this vault

[limber lion]

Puzzle Box is probably the single biggest upgrade

[keen spruce]

fuk that puzzle box

[slim hamlet]

puzzle box 100 times, puzzle is giga sad to farm compared to ring

[limber lion]

But do you want to play Puzzle Box for the rest of this season?

[keen spruce]

throw it in the sea

MYEHHHHHH

[slim hamlet]

Also costs more to upgrade with valor

[hexed root]

Puzzle box garbo

[slim hamlet]

You're garbo

[timber meadow]

holy shit that is the best vault ive ever gotten in wow

[limber lion]

No, I use DTB because it sims higher

[keen spruce]

join the guzzle gang and feed the rubix cube to the sharks

[hexed root]

It's nor even on any of the bis lists for sin unless things changed.

[limber lion]

Honestly

[polar matrix]

@limber lion yeah fair, KB just starting simming higher for me which i found weird

[limber lion]

I would probably take the Signet because it's a bis item and in the future you will be forced to pick sockets from vault

So you'll have an item that you can safely socket when that week comes

[timber meadow]

yeah

im thinking signet

[keen spruce]

even if it was bis I wouldn't run that piece of make-me-stand-still-solving-a-rubix-cube-during-an-encounter garbo

[limber lion]

Also depends on whether you're in it for the long haul or not

[timber meadow]

because i also play outlaw almost exclusively in M+

and ona lot of raid bosses

[limber lion]

Ring is probably the biggest upgrade out of them all if you don't have it yet

[slim hamlet]

Still taking puzzlebos 100 times, farming that is so sad + the valor required to upgrade is much more

[limber lion]

But not that hard to get

[slim hamlet]

and bigger upgrade most of the time

Huh

[timber meadow]

i have a box already

puzzlebox

[slim hamlet]

is ring more than trink

[timber meadow]

yeah ring i think

[keen spruce]

ring is huge

daggies are pretty easy to get

[limber lion]

As in

Eranog ring

Is probably the biggest upgrade

[hexed root]

Where are you getting it's value from? Haven't seen box Sim well or be on any sin bis lists

[slim hamlet]

My ring was like no upgrade for 415 compared to 418 puzzle box

[hexed root]

Compared to 421 wep, fire ring, etc.

[limber lion]

Court ring is probably the smallest upgrade, but the one that makes the most sense for the long haul

[slim hamlet]

tbf

it doesnt fucking matter

[limber lion]

Puzzle Box is the biggest upgrade other than Eranog ring, but you can get Eranog ring from mythic easily

[keen spruce]

if you're gonna craft a flaring cowl then the eggnog ring is pretty gangster

[slim hamlet]

all of that shit is insane

wtf

[limber lion]

Eranog ring is probably the biggest upgrade, but easiest to get out of them all

[slim hamlet]

eggnog ring is prob the one I take last

[timber meadow]

yeah im not taking eranog for that reason

[limber lion]

I would go for Court Ring personally

[timber meadow]

yeah thats what im leaning

[limber lion]

Because it's a safe pick for 2 weeks

[keen spruce]

the court ring is worth about a socket worth of value

vs another ring at the same ilvl

[hexed root]

I think you're in the wrong channel @slim hamlet xD

[limber lion]

Technically 2 sockets

Because it's bis and you'll end up socketing it later on

[slim hamlet]

huh

Just because I did a little havoc in outlaw earlier

[hexed root]

You're right, I'm wrong. Haven't seen puzzle on lists, randomly checked bloodmallet and it's 2nd behind grieftorch. My apologies.

[limber lion]

Lists

😮‍💨

[hexed root]

And sims*

[limber lion]

oops

[timber meadow]

the main thing is that im not an assasin "main" - i play outlaw quite a bit so dagger/puzzlebox lose some value there

diurna's ring is too easy to get

[hexed root]

Puzzlebox was simming big for my outlaw d slice

[timber meadow]

yeah its quite good in M+

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4gs1uHTN9V7wsrzZTeF4Bj

Puzzle Box is bis for most specs lol

[timber meadow]

on st for outlaw its very meh

but yeah M+ its giga

[hexed root]

Yup, so I'm learning. I was 1000000% wrong.

[polar matrix]

Thats the highest simming talents in that gear as well right? @limber lion

[limber lion]

Technically not

But yeah that's the setup we would recommend

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fEKNzDoV9MKzaM7VEoNgtA

This is technically higher, but you're very much prone to failure and playing it wrong

Compared to DTB

So that 150 dps difference is instantly lost when you evidently play it incorrectly

[polar matrix]

is it worth considering not plying KB over DTB because it's "harder" if it's closely simming to DTB?

ahh you answered that just now haha

[limber lion]

Yes

If DTB and KB sim less than like 300 dps off each other, it's a very safe bet to just slam DTB

Unless you play every KB window (and double Shiv window and tea window) perfectly

You will likely not see numbers anywhere near that

[summer adder]

finally got my horn of valor guys

[limber lion]

Whereas it's much easier to do that with DTB

[slim hamlet]

huh

[limber lion]

Good one, Parse

[summer adder]

i'm in a good mood

[limber lion]

I would hope so, Grieftorch is nutty

[polar matrix]

Is the logic behind TT use complicated? i have just kinda be slamming it when im out of energy and on shivs

[limber lion]

Big dick gaming

[limber lion]

That's pretty much it. Low energy during Shiv windows

Once in the beginning to avoid overcapping longer than necessary

[polar matrix]

and Exsang DTB opener is similiar to KB opener but without the KB right

[fleet imp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[fallow star]

i got the choice between grieftorch or a 415 tier piece that i already have at 389. is grieftorch that insane that i take it over a 415 tier piece?

[limber lion]

A normal grieftorch, not so much

Just take the pants

[little ivy]

no movement gamer

[dapper hound]

Wich build will be good on dathea (HC) with adds on platforms guys?

[slim hamlet]

Playing anything but sin 🙂

[spice spire]

The build with an aoe trinket

Whetstone/boon (but gotta have defensives/step up for boon)

[modern dust]

Whats the best Phial for Assa raiding?

[orchid tree]

glacial I think

[slim hamlet]

huhhhhhh

[modern dust]

For ST also?

[slim hamlet]

No

Vers pot or elemental

or well the corrupting one if u wanna die

It is in this spreadsheet to, dont know if it is up to date with that tho, but should be same %

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[timber meadow]

damn the cos ring is biggest upgrade even for assa on st for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6G6G6fDcgTnEjDMsByZrJB

[vestal wren]

assassination is the spec that the ring is the best on from all 3

[timber meadow]

oh didn't realize that, thanks

[limber lion]

100% take Court ring

upgrade Puzzle Box with valor

get Eranog ring from the boss

easy

[tulip kernel]

my box is insane idk what to take monka

[lusty surge]

Got a 408 controlled current woohoo

[edgy trout]

Hello there, pretty new to assassination rogue and i see a lot of different build and can't find an answer to my question. I was wondering what you guys use as a build for open world ? The "standard" DTB seems to be more single target oriented and in open world you often end up using aoe, so should i use the M+ build or is it too much aoe oriented ?

[neon oxide]

You are overthinking it

Open world you just hit stuff

The whole point of the M+/ST opener is to optimize it for maximum damage

[edgy trout]

So it's whatever ?

[neon oxide]

Yeah depending what youre killing you might not even bother putting up dots or anything

[edgy trout]

Ok thanks, also i find myself struggling with echoing reprimand, is there any tips to better use it ?

[normal mist]

Not really

You press it

You pray

[outer cairn]

Yeah I just top geared and the difference between kb/exsang and dtb/exsang is ~318. Feels like it would be easier to just do DTB and worry about exsang every 3 minutes then trying to line everything up everytime

[neon oxide]

If you use it at 0 CP you will pretty much always be at the 2CP marker, then the rest is just rng

[edgy trout]

Haha i see ok

[thorn crater]

guys do we put agi crit on lariat or agi mast?

or is it a sim thing?

[teal iris]

doesnt matter for lariat proc

only the elemental gems matter

[outer cairn]

you want a primary stat/crit then gem the rest crit/mast

usually

[limber lion]

Yeh something like that

I use Agi/Mastery

[harsh cypress]

which personal food do u use ?

[thorn crater]

i have 3 crit mastery gems

no wrong

3 mastery crit gems

so imma replace one of them hence the ask

[echo heath]

got mythic tier shoulders from my mythic plus slot

😮

[thorn crater]

pawn suggesting i replace all gems with teh crit haste ones lmfao

ye no thanks

[limber lion]

You should never, ever use Pawn

It's a worthless addon

[thorn crater]

it was in the package and i always forget to disable

[limber lion]

I personally use Haste/Crit gems

but those sim the best for me, might not for you

[outer cairn]

hmm upgrade nerzhul dagger to 411 if i don't get diurna one from hc tonight to give me 418 and 411 or save valor since i want the fenryr dagger anyways

[thorn crater]

ye i dont have a main stat one yet thats why im asking to see what i should get and how much it matters

[jovial plinth]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[outer cairn]

honestly wish i had a puzzle box or cos ring in vault. sadge

[limber lion]

What matters is that you get one, doesn't matter too much which one it is

[thorn crater]

bruh 2 weeks ago i got 418 puzzle box in vault

our lovely whispgod told me to say fuck it and t ake the tier pants

at 401

or 402 not sure which

[modern dust]

Dathea progress, Kingsbane or DTB?

[signal rivet]

Is the "end" goal of gearing this tier to be using the Eranog ring + Flaring Cowl? Or is that just not worth the effort and just wear full tier with a weapon emelishment?

[limber lion]

Which sims more for you in ST

[limber lion]

That is the goal yes, a very achievable one at that

Would recommend

[ebon notch]

I wish you were achievable

[slim hamlet]

Is there a way to see how much I possibly held a cd for in warcraftlogs?

[signal rivet]

So take tier chest over tier helm to complete my set even if tier helm sims higher right now?

[outer arrow]

If i use Puzzle Box after ER with KB

where do i use it with DTB?

[outer cairn]

after er

[thorn crater]

@limber lion is the boost with a diamond in the lariat that big?

[slim hamlet]

Just before exsang/dm is the general thing I see people say

[outer arrow]

here?

[slim hamlet]

Def before dm

[outer arrow]

not using exang

[slim hamlet]

Still before dm

[outer cairn]

then rupture, puzzlebox

dm

[slim hamlet]

Dont know if it is right before

But always before

[spice spire]

Bro?

[outer arrow]

asking bc ive been using it on pre-pull

and i often feel slike kms

[distant mesa]

I need 4p, but that AA trinket >.< helm gibs 4p

[outer cairn]

wait till after raid then choose?

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4P7K7qKzckUCHbLURapwQ3 is there a way I could sim this with 4p then with 4p + trinket?

[prisma cypress]

i use the "gear compare" thing on raidbots

to sim items i don't have

[distant mesa]

ah, ty

[prisma cypress]

there's probably some way to add them to top gear but whatever

[cursive frost]

Just to make sure I’m understanding right, I should not craft and use flame cowl to replace bronzed wrap embellishment on weapon until I have the Diurna ring? Assuming I keep my lariat on

[distant mesa]

lmao.... the 4p and trinket is 3k less than just a 4p...

acording to the top gear sim that still wants me to go KB

[outer arrow]

which trinket are you replacing with technique?

[distant mesa]

box

lemme try the torch

[outer arrow]

then box is 3k ahead of technique according to that sim

[distant mesa]

that replaces torch

and is that dtb bleed build in pins

[outer arrow]

youve got a winner, dont you?

[distant mesa]

still a 1k less than KB hmm....

oh wait, gear compare shows the weapons w/o the r3 enchants thats why

but this is KB

[outer arrow]

is this with r3 enchants?

[distant mesa]

the gear compare? no its 1 r2 and 1 r1

[outer arrow]

thats like 0.2%?

[distant mesa]

~800dps enchant wise

[outer arrow]

i meant the builds, if both at r2/r1 are just 148 apart

[distant mesa]

yeah

KB is ahead for me prolly due to the box trinket

now I'm curious what top gear says if I dont improve enchants

moving a gem its still 67,665 with 4p dominating that AA trinket is only bis in mythic I'm guessing lol

what I see for that is screw the AA trinket and go 4p

and this confirmed it EVEN in the KB

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/waNq7EQukbiuq4p9RKh4GD

[outer cairn]

difference between kb/exsang and dtb/exsang is now ~360. Seems like a not so bad trade to not have to worry about kb

[distant mesa]

4p alone is 4,600. trinket is 200

[outer cairn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tciCcyd9miV5ivWoDtPQ5t

[distant mesa]

how is yours so close?

[outer cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/im-trash-toy-story-cute-gif-14415008

[distant mesa]

awe

no you aint

[outer cairn]

I honestly don't know. it was a little closer actually at about ~318 before i picked up vault stuff

[distant mesa]

oh, with KB higher

[outer cairn]

but as cev was saying, its also about nailing usage of it with shivs and tea perfectly where as with dtb you don't have to worry about it

[hot goblet]

Anyone actually getting close to their patchwork dps? Best i’ve gotten so far is like 38k vs the 60k patchwork on eranog

[outer cairn]

and ~360 difference isn't making or breaking a boss kill

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mB1HbK65a36duioP2NFq6y so @outer cairn if you were me, take 4p and go the top talent build in this sim?

thats that build from Cev

[nova zenith]

Could use some advice on vault as I've been playing mostly Assassination, but will likely play Sub on M Council since my Outlaw MH is awful and I used an early Spark on Engi bracers. Early Mythic & Heroic Rasz prog this week and just have 2p for context. I have quite a lot of mastery in my Sin kit at the moment and if I take the Diurna ring I may be able to change up some gems. It also is pretty competitive with the AA ring which could mean I could trade the ring to a guildie that would also see a lot of value from it if it drops in CoS.

Vault Sin ST (have gouge and tricks for Rasz pulls): https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nBT3Vcc51tYTcvvEehcEKe
Cowl/ring combos: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q1b7UXbogD45ofVJp7kvZF

[outer cairn]

yeah w/ 4p, kb/exsang can sim the highest cause of the bonus with the bleeds. I mean, if you need the tier piece and its your best upgrade sure. But if you are going to raid and you have any sort of prio to get 4p and you have a better upgrade, i'd wait

[distant mesa]

We are trying to get as many people 4p tonight to prog onto 1st 2 mythic bosses

[outer cairn]

then i'd wait

get two upgrades instead of just one maybe

maybe you get eranog ring and if you get shoulder tier, you keep your helmet slot open for cowl

[distant mesa]

appreciate you

[sharp zodiac]

What is the best usage of Puzzle box? Do you decide based on fight length? For example if its going 6+ minutes do you use on CD? and Sub 5 you hold for CDs?

[muted ridge]

Quick Q, how should I use Puzzle Box on opener? can I use it after DM like Quick sim says or is there better way to do it?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9poXs9TsamyTcqRHSBbthw

[gusty mirage]

before deathmark

[muted ridge]

before?

okay

[gusty mirage]

yeye

[muted ridge]

so right after Rupture (before DM) I can use it

got it

Ty

[gusty mirage]

[sharp zodiac]

If M terros for example is like 6:30 would it be more value to get 3 uses instead of 2?

[outer cairn]

before dm, or if w/exsang, before exsang so ER>Box>Rupture>SBS>Vanish>Garrote>Exsang>DM

[gusty mirage]

yeah, always better to use a trinket/cd inefficiently rather than losing a cast

[sharp zodiac]

Im only asking because the top logs for it are mixed

[vocal oracle]

how good is the whispering Icon trinket for us?

[gusty mirage]

yea I'd personally just send it

esp cause M terros kills always tend to be scuffed af

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3F7FTVvXxGqHRRbSUc6mEp so is this saying KB vs Bleed DTB no CTTC is 323 dps difference?

[fossil marlin]

what does everyone's key bindings look like with all the extra buttons? im struggling to find space for them all.

[distant mesa]

you need extra space?

[fossil marlin]

a little bit yeah lol, thank you for posting

[vital reef]

Which set piece do we WANT to leave out?

[gusty mirage]

if you get eranog ring, helm

otherwise probably shoulders

[median beacon]

helm if ur going diurna/cowl

[vital reef]

Is it worth the effort, Looking at sims its a .1% increase at most, over using a Echo embel

increase is increase? lol

[gusty mirage]

is what worth the effort

the cowl + ring?

[vital reef]

Trying for Helm Fire Damage and then the Riong

[gusty mirage]

the cowl + ring being a 0.1% increase is over literal best in slot

if you added the helm to your profile rn and simmed the ring

I reckon it'd be a lot more than 0.1% dps

[vital reef]

My only thought is that a helm off Ras is a 424, higher ilvl. Does that make things complicated? But now thinking about it, that may make it BETTER because you wont have 424 until after tier is over, so until then the best you could get is heroic tier...

So until then a 418 would literally be higher ilvl than the heroic tier

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[median beacon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rStzFuAukXfpJjzH5MtCkL

[chilly viper]

Someone has the consumables sim string

fuu's one doesn't seem to work for me?

nvm im duimb dumb

[strange python]

am i stupid or something? im doing the rotation right (im pretty sure at least) using cds n stuff, but i cant do over 50k dps on terros

my sim says ~65k

even on a dummy i cant break 50k

[fading mason]

does garrote silence break the shield on the first boss of ruby like hunter wailing arrow ?

[royal lantern]

you realise that its more or less impossible to reach sim dps in reality right

[strange python]

yeah

but im also failing to see why i cant do more barring gear upgrades

maybe my epeen just shrivels seeing other ppl do more LOL

[cerulean nest]

epeen

[royal lantern]

i mean, you also have to remember kill timmers and shit

[limber lion]

And all raid buffs

Best enchants

Best consumables

Perfect robot play

Mechanics

[royal lantern]

sim means 5min 100%perfect play with no movment, just dmg dummy hitting, all the best stuff avaible

[limber lion]

Not dummy hitting, but yeah

[royal lantern]

a real raidfight is 4:16 or 7:18 with you doing stuff and missing a couple spells every min

[limber lion]

Patchwork

Sim is also iterations between 4-6 minutes actually

[royal lantern]

man, you get my point

dont turn into fuu

[strange python]

gotcha

[keen raven]

what talents r people running for tyran week this week for high keys

[strange python]

just gotta get out of the mindset that im not doing enough i guess

[limber lion]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[chilly viper]

Is there an execute phase on patchwerk

[spice spire]

Yes

Not on dummy

If you sim with that, that is

[nocturne current]

I read somewhere here that DTB ST ran Bloody Mess at 4 piece set?

That still true? (anywhere I can find that build?)

[royal lantern]

im a dummy

[limber lion]

I wonder

Let me know if you do

[ruby lotus]

https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1057652576423776306

its pinned

[limber lion]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[oak sky]

Its possible for it to sim higher but it doesnt always

[keen viper]

For raid do u use single target mostly?

[royal lantern]

you play assa for ST

its aoe for raids is really bad

[thorn fjord]

Dog shit vault today boys

feelsbad

[brazen zodiac]

415 tier les goo

[gloomy lake]

So my guild is about to start prog on mythic terros and I'm wondering how it is possible this dude pulled this dps with 400IL and no PIs. I'm simming 71k at 409IL.

[supple pelican]

Power infusion and summer probably

Look at buffs

Lots of logs don’t flag them correctly

[gloomy lake]

Usually shows PIS to the right but it showed none I'll look again

[limber lion]

Sims and spreadsheets have been updated to reflect the most recent changes and findings. We now sim over 90k again, yay! But...

• Puzzle Box (421 ilvl) is now BIS (you probs won't get it from m+ vault unless super lucky)

• Signet of Melandrus (421 ilvl + socket) is now BIS (you probs won't get it from m+ vault unless super lucky)

• Flaring Cowl (418 + socket) + Seal of Diurna's Chosen (421 ilvl + socket) are now BIS (need a specialized crafter for helm + socket from vault and the "very rare" mythic ring from mythic Eranog)

As you can see, all of these are pretty cringe and it's likely that you won't have any of them, let alone all of them. Do not mindlessly chase "BIS" items.

You can find updated sims here: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
or by typing !whispyr in chat.

There's 6 different talent builds you can play on single target, you can find them all in the spreadsheet along with talent import strings for each of them. SIM YOURSELF.

[supple pelican]

Yeah I’ve seen a few logs on Terros before I killed it and I think I’ve reviewed that log

Pretty sure the player got 4 PI

[spice spire]

That bold statement is big. God bless

[modern dust]

4 set bonus, yay

[thorn fjord]

pog

[pseudo hamlet]

What gems are the best for the Lariat? agi+crit, crit+mast, crit+mast?

[cursive frost]

The struggle of wanting that diurna ring is real

[slim hamlet]

Fake

I do 10% more than my sim

[strange python]

I'm a little unclear on the wording on the third

"socket from vault" for the ring?

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rTDWCz7b6JqvVuTA7zsxYa current situation.... Happy that KB is only .4 ahead

[limber lion]

For the crafted helm. You can get the ring with a socket from vault/boss, but you have to manually add socket to Flaring Cowl.

[strange python]

You add socket to the cowl with the crafting item no? I'm confused on the "from vault" wording

[limber lion]

Which crafting item?

[thorn fjord]

That item is only for necks

[pseudo hamlet]

Anyone has a WA that shows the amount of SBS stacks available?

[strange python]

So you need to get a bad weekly chest to get the tokens for helm socket!

?

[limber lion]

Correct.

[strange python]

Got it.

[limber lion]

Also you didn't reply to my tags

Explain yourself.

@strange python

[compact wing]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

I was wrong and sleepy. Mb

[limber lion]

All good

I'm an avid DS hater and I want that title to be known

[compact wing]

For DTB non bleed build, would I use Puzzlebox right before my rupture-DM or when would I fit that in?

[fallow canopy]

tfw 390ilvl with blue trinkets

[tulip dawn]

Does it seem like Flaring Cowl + Ring only outsim other options when they have sockets?

[oak sky]

before dm

[limber lion]

Sorry my wording is maybe a bit off, but all rings gain the same amount from sockets. So even non-socketed versions would beat all non-socketed versions.

But if you're comparing a socketed 421 ring to a non-socketed heroic eranog ring, it's not as black and white necessarily.

[exotic robin]

Hello fellow rogues, is there any UI section on discord?

[tulip dawn]

Got it, thanks!

[burnt latch]

Diurna down boys

u love to see it

[brazen zodiac]

epic

[spice spire]

Sheesh

[ebon notch]

wait you didnt have 4set?

[limber lion]

wtfffffffff

fotm....

[nocturne current]

Give some love to the staff guys

[ebon notch]

IT SAYS 4 SET

[limber lion]

yeah let's prog the 2nd to last boss without 4set

[ebon notch]

hey man

[nocturne current]

But gz gz

[burnt latch]

[ebon notch]

some people just arent lucky

[burnt latch]

zooted

that things gonna slap

[ebon notch]

im not sure if we're killing diurna today

[edgy trout]

Amazing sim, seeing this i'm wondering if it's even worth bothering with bleeds and exsanguinate. In the end it's only a 2% diff in sim, so let's say you don't time your spells perfectly, you might end up doing more damage with the simplest build

[nocturne current]

Now welcome... To Full Assa Buttons Hope you have space on keyboard.

[limber lion]

If you have 4p, you should probs play the bleed DTB build without Exsanguinate

The poison build is only better with just 2p and it sacrifices a Shadowstep, it's just all in all a worse build

[nocturne current]

What's the other talent instead of Exsangua that's closer?

[burnt latch]

now we figure out my spec for chicken

[strange python]

Tbh seems like the ring/helm combo isn't that cringe

[nocturne current]

Can I swap Exsangua for Cut to the Chase?

[limber lion]

You take 2nd shiv and venom rush, drop exsang and 1 point in improved poisons

[strange python]

Getting the ring is obv the hard part, but less cringe than the pray for cos ring/puzzle from vault

[limber lion]

You already take CTTC

[nocturne current]

Hum I must have checked wrong one then

[leaden meadow]

What's the log command so someone can tell me why I suck

[nocturne current]

Ohhhhhh ❤️ I was checking wrong one

[unreal epoch]

what two poisons am i running with kingsbane build? deadly + atrophic/numbing?

[limber lion]

Amp + Atrophic

[unreal epoch]

ah kk ty!

[thorn thorn]

Is Sepsis ever worth taking?

[oak sky]

no

[strange python]

Cev did you look into how signet and puzzle box do at 415?

[slim hamlet]

If u don't care about dmg but only what you like

[oak sky]

i bet other shit at high ilvl is just better so like current technique and diurna haste/mast ring

[regal delta]

is there a macro that when i cast vanish it also cast garrote?

[tiny ember]

Yo bois i just tried to play the Bleed+Exang build am I supposed to be energy starved half the time or am i doing something horrible wrong? Cause this feels like shit

[exotic hearth]

I need input. I got offered both puzzle box and tier. Tier would be 3rd piece so close to 4set. Which would yall suggest?

[thorn fjord]

Using tea?

[royal lantern]

dude, DF assa is allready near GCD locked lol

[trail tree]

wouldn't that just be

#showtooltip Vanish
/cast Vanish
/cast Garrote

[frigid aurora]

whats the best embelishment for a crafted mainhand atm? for single target.

[tiny ember]

Like The standard DTB build feels so much better for me compared to the Exang build and I swear to god I don't get why

[thorn fjord]

The opener giving you issues?

Thats the only thing i can see being a pain in the ass... not knowing button prio when you have cd's otherwise is pretty much the same thing w/o exsang

[tiny ember]

Not really i just feel starved for energy after the first set of cds

Maybe I just fucked up terros bois cause it felt like complete shit

[thorn fjord]

Maybe you were missing poisons equipped too?

Not trying you or anything but it does happen lol

[tiny ember]

bro I had a macro that applied posiosn before

and i found out like after a week that it was wrong

So it could have been actually

[prisma cypress]

DTB will naturally have more energy because of dashing scoundrel too

[tiny ember]

you actually are right

I was missing a posiosn

[thorn fjord]

There you go

Happens to the best of us

[tiny ember]

Thank you Sir

[limber lion]

Playing DTB but not really playing DTB

[tiny ember]

Wondering why it feels like shit XD

[prisma cypress]

single-poison DTB

double is kind of a crutch

[tiny ember]

ok i need to ask just to make sure I don't fuck up anymore what poison are we playing with DTB

[prisma cypress]

amp + deadly

[thorn fjord]

Deadly and Amp with Atro and crip

[tiny ember]

there we go

at least i wasdoing that right

Cheers bois

[thorn fjord]

[autumn valve]

Bonsoir, je cherche un rogue français pour quelques questions. Bonne soirée 😁

[prisma cypress]

[thorn fjord]

God bless you

[compact wing]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[trail tree]

/wa

oops

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[trail tree]

almost, i just fucked up and tried to open my wa menu in discord

me stoopid

[verbal kestrel]

Hey y’all I’m just picking up assassination and I was wondering how the dragon tempered blades build is in dungeons compared to the indiscriminate carnage build?

[royal lantern]

th exsang kb opener with puzzlebox is to much for my brain

just remove exsang allready

[lofty junco]

whats gonna profit us more leatherer, BS or engi?

[versed canopy]

So, im moving from Outlaw to Assassination. I am going to be doing the Dragon tempered blades build. Is there any variation of that that uses sbs?

[royal lantern]

all raid builds use sbs

[spice spire]

Yes, in the pin there are 3 DTB builds and at least one uses sbs

[versed canopy]

sorry, M+ builds

[royal lantern]

oh yeha no

sbs in m+ is bad

[spice spire]

Oh DTB m+ build

[royal lantern]

like really bad

[toxic burrow]

Wait, nvm

[versed canopy]

i relly enjoyed sbs in shadowlands

just trying to use it viably whenever possible

[spice spire]

In theory it’s not bad, but just makes it hard to get two capstones

[versed canopy]

currently i am not doing 2 capstones

[spice spire]

Also there are better cleave options

[small meteor]

Definitely recommend trying the KB + IC build
6 second group silence and big bleeds feels good

[versed canopy]

just the dragon tempered blades

[rancid nimbus]

Is there a spreadsheet for t set bonuses for all classes?? how much each spec profits from 2 / 4 P ?

[spice spire]

You won’t in DTB

[spice spire]

Yes somewhere

[balmy condor]

double capstone can't take sbs and dtb doesn't want to

[spice spire]

I have it somewhere

[balmy condor]

[rancid nimbus]

yeah. i saw it somewhere.. but idk 😄

[spice spire]

Real

Miss Kevin so much

[balmy condor]

I saw the spreadsheet too

but I don't have it

because I don't save worthless information

[spice spire]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#

It’s here

It isn’t worthless to me because my guild is uh, special sometimes

[balmy condor]

the only thing I'm saving is private ryan

how bout that

[spice spire]

Most were napkin math similar. Outlier was the WFT thing with arms, but the arms was a rat

[rancid nimbus]

Whispyr always mad at me 😄

[spice spire]

Buddy that was WW2, he’s long dead

[balmy condor]

he like elvis

[rancid nimbus]

THX!

[balmy condor]

not you, just what does it matter to people if warlock tier is 4.5% or 5%

any loot council is going to ask how much it is for that person specifically

and if they don't it doesn't matter

[rancid nimbus]

I get what you mean. Was just for a friend. Just for fun 🙂

[burnt star]

with bleed dtb build. i assume we still use shiv on cd

do we ever hold for DM if its within 10 sec, like in shadowland

[balmy condor]

not with single charge

[burnt star]

so always send

like theres no tommorow

ty

its a good thing i swap to kb opener last week, its basiclly the samething

[versed canopy]

im moving from Outlaw to Assassination for a slower tempo rotation

[craggy river]

what is best raid build now?

[royal lantern]

depeens on your gear

[craggy river]

super heavy master

[royal lantern]

"depeens on your gear" means "sim the different builds and check what is simming best for you"

^^

[lusty surge]

How much more utility/damage does outlaw bring than sin in keys? The guys I play with are really starting to play around IC, I compete on trash pulls and dominate ST fights...I don't play OL so I'm not sure how it could be even better than this lol

[digital gyro]

Any good WA for empowered bleeds? I was given Luxthos' but it doesn't track Echoing Reprimand

[limber lion]

Wut

Empowered Bleeds, Echoing Reprimand

[leaden meadow]

Is there someone that wouldn't mind taking a look at a set of logs from my guilds raid tonight, and see if they can find out why I suck? 😅

[flint mica]

do talents change when you get the 4piece?

[digital gyro]

meant like big garrotes and 7 cp ruptures or w/e

or rupture in retail isn't like classic

[limber lion]

7 cp ruptures

what

big garrotes

what

Combo points increase the duration of Rupture, nothing else

[digital gyro]

oh thats good to know its not like that in classic

but 7 cp Rupture would be a bigger Exsanguinate no?

[limber lion]

Yes which is what you would do if you play Exsang

You press ER Rup Exsang in that order everytime

And you track the Exsanguinated Rupture

You don't need any special thingamabobs to track the Rupture whenever it has more than 40s remaining

[timber meadow]

im only really lining exanguinate up with er and otherwise just sending it on cd

[digital gyro]

as in for extending it with Pandemic right? or there're other quirks to it?

[limber lion]

Yes you extend the normal rupture by using rupture first followed by a 7cp rupture

You let the Exsanguinated bleeds drop to 0

You do not reapply them during pandemic

[digital gyro]

oh you double bleed to empower the exsang?

i do the same with garrote then?

2 garrotes for pandemic and then exsang?

[limber lion]

Yes, go read the faq

#assassination-faq

[digital gyro]

i dont play pve

thanks a ton tho

[timber meadow]

ttb i guess is just useful if you need your kingsbane bursts to be juicier potnetially at the loss of overall dmg depending on a fight design?

[limber lion]

ttb is never useful

[timber meadow]

oh okay, good to know, I was under the impression it would lead to burstier kingsbanes

[limber lion]

why would it lead to more burstier kingsbane?

it increases the damage of Shiv

Not the effect it provides

So instead of Shiv doing 300 damage, it does 1.5k

The nature damage is still 20%

[digital gyro]

normal rupture can be any cp rupture?

[limber lion]

yes

[timber meadow]

ah okay makes sense, I thought i had read in one of the pins there was a burstier kingsbane that used ttb

[limber lion]

No

In fact playing TTB instead of Exsanguinate means you burst less

[jaunty crystal]

I'm assuming I just send my grieftorch after DM right?

[limber lion]

Before

[timber meadow]

pretty sure you just send it after your bleeds are setup on pull and then basically on cd

[limber lion]

Unless you play with Puzzle Box. Then you would send it after

[jaunty crystal]

kk ty 🙂

[true rapids]

Is there a crit ceiling? Just got a 398 plat star band but my 2 389 rings are simming better

[digital gyro]

I'm aware it's a very hard question but how big of a gain is it to have preRupture before the 7cp? I'm asking for pvp purposes bcuz having to apply Rupture and reapply a 7 cp Rupture during a stunlock with no mfd and new rngjesus of ER is hella clunky

is it bigger dmg gain than exsang the big garrote?

[timber meadow]

what are you simming st @limber lion ?

[oak sky]

theres no specific ceiling but at a certain point its value decreases because you have so much so the sim starts recommending gear with other stats

[limber lion]

Around 80k

[timber meadow]

damn, thic

i assume you're ~415?

[limber lion]

It's not that big of a difference. Just doing ER Rup Gar Exsang DM is much better burst

[limber lion]

410 equipped, 412 in bags.

[timber meadow]

damn im like 4k less at 409, ill peep your char

[limber lion]

Getting a vault tomorrow, hoping for mythic eranog ring or kurog trinket

Would be 1.5k dps each of them

Didn't see any of them on heroic/mythic this week, sadge.

[gray horizon]

good way to sim all builds simultaneously? Thought I saw it somewhere but cant find in pins

[timber meadow]

im too lazy to do a gear compare with cowl+eranog ring but its gotta be fucking huge

with only a torch for fire dmg its like a 1200 dps upgrade lol

[limber lion]

You can slap this inside of your /simc string:
`# Saved Loadout: DTB Bleed no CTTC

talents=BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJSgIUSAAAAAAAkEAJCAAAAAAgEkmDUSCJJJplkISCJSk4AB

Saved Loadout: DTB Bleed CTTC

talents=BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJSiIClEAAAAAAAJBQiAAAAAAAIBp5AlkQSSSaJJiIkIRiDE

Saved Loadout: DTB Bleed No Exsang

talents=BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJSCiQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAASQaOQJJkkkkWSiIJkQk4AB

Saved Loadout: DTB Poison

talents=BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINRSCSClEAAAAAAAJBQiAAAAAAAIBp5AlkQSSSaJJikgQIWQA

Saved Loadout: KB Exsang

talents=BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJSCiQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAASQaOQJJkkkkWIikQiEJJB

Saved Loadout: KB No Exsang

talents=BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJSCiQJBAAAAAAQSAkIAAAAAAASQaOQJJkkkkWISSCJEJJB`

[gray horizon]

ty bb

[brazen zodiac]

oh sick thanks

[solid mica]

it's a good day when KB sims higher than DTB

[midnight atlas]

is this details bug? deadly poison #1 with 0.6% dmg

[gloomy lake]

Do we need anything from the time walking dungeons

[neat cairn]

I am having a dilemma.. this rogue is an alt and that just dinged 70 monday morning so. My vault is a 382 Icon (where no one else in my group realistically has one, so it'd just be the DPS only one) or a 389 tier head piece that is upgradeable via valor cause it's in my M+ slot. "Take the trinket" everyone but one person has told me except I have a 408 Storm-Eater's Boon and 372 puzzle box. I obviously won't replace the storm-eater's with the Icon. It'd be my first piece of tier and it's the one with nice stats. Do i take the Icon and replace the puzzle box, even though there's a good chance I'll get a higher one this week? Do I take the Icon and let it sit in my bags and play only with people that have it? Or do I take the tier helm even though the catalyst is coming out soon?

[dusty zenith]

Get the trinket

[balmy condor]

it shows the lowest % when you combine them

[limber lion]

All of the numbers are all over the place. Looks like a Details thing yeah

Oh

[balmy condor]

visual bug when details combines things

cause it doesn't add the % properly

[midnight atlas]

thanks. forgot about the combine

looks better now

[gray horizon]

just simmed all my stuff.... kb + exsang is my highest but nope i dont think so

[midnight atlas]

same. cba. dtb not far behind

[gray horizon]

no exsang is like.... 900dps behind for me though

RIP

[gloomy lake]

Which trinket

[dusty zenith]

Icon

[peak basin]

What does "dungeonslice" mean in Whispyr's sim sheet?

[midnight atlas]

dungeonslice sims. meaning m+

[neat cairn]

It's a raidbots setting

[peak basin]

Ah, got it. Thanks!

[neat cairn]

Shorter encounters with more mobs I think?

[burnt star]

Dtb bleed sims higher then kb bleed for me

It was different last week but some optimisation were found

[dusty zenith]

Yup Dtb and no ex sang sim huger for me#

[dense herald]

Does cowl increase torch damage?

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice is a fight type that emulates a portion of a dungeon, including a boss, varying pack sizes, restealths, chain pulls, etc @neat cairn

[burnt star]

No. But people dying does 🙂

[crisp tiger]

Why using vanish befor deathmark ?

[neat cairn]

Small DPS increase to Garrote I believe?

[solid mica]

is terros on mythic mostly environmental or does our poison effect a lot? iirc it's just rock blast and tank smash?

[limber lion]

dupe big garret good

[neat cairn]

As mentioned in the cheatsheet, it's a minimal increase but an increase nonetheless

[timber meadow]

huh, so my first, third and 4th kb's seemf ine - but just looking at my dmg graph, something weird happened with my 2nd? anyone wanna take a look: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jtRCFzgx7mXDNkP9#fight=53&type=damage-done&source=62

[neat cairn]

I haven't looked at it, but I think the only thing that'd affect Kingsbane is: mob being invuln, mob dying before its full dot goes out, late shiv cast

oh and crit

[timber meadow]

yeah im just bein lazy, i can look myself, just on a work call so wasn't diving in too deep

[limber lion]

You can feint almost all of it. Would recommend on the mythic mechanic stacking.

[solid mica]

wasn't sure if the .6% from master poisoner was worth it for raid over taking nimble and iron stomach

[crisp tiger]

Their a 2builds for raid right? with kingsbane and without but with 2poisions talent.. is the easy one without kingsbain bad or even with kingsbane build ?

[sudden hound]

1st and 3rd kb have deathmark with it

[timber meadow]

yeah 4th was way burstier than 2nd

but you're right 2nd is irrelevant in that regard

3rd*

[limber lion]

Iron Stomach is pretty bad, Master Poisoner is always worth it in raids.

[gloomy lake]

@balmy condor are there any trinkets from the timewalking dungeons themselves that we can get that are good this week

[limber lion]

Read pins

[solid mica]

that's kinda what i figured/been doing. using feint a decent amount didn't know if maybe nimble was worth since some fights might have more environmental dmg that poison doesn't effect. Thanks for the advice!

[upper crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

Nimble Fingers is really good if you can afford it

But most likely won't

[balmy condor]

no

[solid mica]

yeah i don't think there's a way to take MP and NF without losing dmg

[calm path]

Hey guys, really appreciate all the written information and all the build possibility. What is the most easygoing for a new raid assassination player ? Im guessing DTB ?

[limber lion]

Kingsbane is a bit RNG in nature as well. Sometimes it pops off because you get a few extra stacks off, sometimes you don't.

[raw raft]

they both pretty straight forward, if you don't want to worry about one more cd then yes

[limber lion]

Your choice of gems is pretty weird though ngl

[solid mica]

I can take both if i give up cloak

[timber meadow]

yoiu talkin bout my gems lol?

[limber lion]

Yap

You're currently procing all 4 Lariat effects

[solid mica]

is cloak useful on terros outside of getting trapped in tank soak?

[thick briar]

OR

[balmy condor]

it immunes every ability

[thick briar]

which one

[limber lion]

You can immune the stacks that you get when tanks destroys pillars, you can stand in the poopoo towards the end with it on

[balmy condor]

buzzing, like ever guide suggests thanks for reading them

[solid mica]

oh really? i thought a lot of it was phys

[thick briar]

shit, was sure i read all

[oak sky]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

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[shut owl]

really really handy if people mess up pillars and you wanna not die to the dot as your healers spite you

[solid mica]

lol aight nvm

[timber meadow]

oh LOL yeah i just go pure vers for outlaw and was too lazy // couldn't find someone to make main stat + mastery

[solid mica]

you can still evasion the rock blast tho no?

[balmy condor]

no clue

[solid mica]

i think i have before

maybe it's the initial hit

[timber meadow]

didn't even think about lariat just had some mastery gems and figured id put those in

since they wree cheap

when we actually prog a boss that im playing assasin on ill setup my character properly

[limber lion]

Yeah honestly the primary gem doesn't matter at all.

For some reason your mastery gems are procing all 4 buffs, even though you should only be getting mastery

[timber meadow]

yeah i was about to ask, cause i just double chcekd

how tf am i proccing all 4 ha

[limber lion]

You're also procing buffs while you already have a buff, which shouldn't be possible anymore.

[timber meadow]

ezgame

[thorn fjord]

Hidden tech found

[limber lion]

do I log back in to test or not

[ebon notch]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

thats ele chaos phial

[ebon notch]

And stream to me

[limber lion]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

okay sleepy time

[ebon notch]

Smh washed

[limber lion]

good night

:)

[ebon notch]

Where my stream wtf

[timber meadow]

is that not the phial i should be using

[gusty mirage]

its okay

[hexed root]

im a mega dumb, it seems whetstone isn't great for sin, any reason why?

[ebon notch]

Did you fix exsang

[limber lion]

I forgot about that phial

[timber meadow]

think i just had some

[gusty mirage]

I went back and checked his gear

lmao

and I was like wtf

[limber lion]

didn't realize people use it

[gusty mirage]

then I looked at it

and I was like oh

[limber lion]

Just use Tepid Vers

[timber meadow]

word

[gusty mirage]

I use it

[limber lion]

It's the same thing with the defensive benefits

[balmy condor]

stats better

[limber lion]

No, that's Koji territory.

[gusty mirage]

just rng to haste right before you hit exsang

[ebon notch]

Sad

[gusty mirage]

[uncut dragon]

Hey, I got seal of diurna's chosen in my box today-other than Grieftorch how can I proc fire?

[limber lion]

Flaring Cowl

[gusty mirage]

flaring cowl

[thorn fjord]

Shell procs it too

[hexed root]

the mastery isn't good?

[gusty mirage]

dog

its 2023

[thorn fjord]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

if you're using a primal shell still

god bless

[uncut dragon]

I keep hitting Pyroclasm but that button isn't working

[thorn fjord]

Im not but if i get the ring you better believe im gonna sim that shit

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

not when there's 15 other trinkets with agi

[hexed root]

fair

[brazen zodiac]

did someone say flaring cowl

[hexed root]

i wish that combo was better

[gusty mirage]

yea I just crafted mine to 418

whaddup

[balmy condor]

whetstone is fine though

I use one

it ain't a puzzle box

but its fine

[thorn fjord]

i need to run 4 keys to make my 418 Cowl -_-

[hexed root]

my vault has 421 whetstone, and I have a 402 box

[brazen zodiac]

i just inspired 3 in a row to 418 wazzup

[gusty mirage]

GAMER

[balmy condor]

yeah box beats that

[hexed root]

cowl/ring screams meh to me

[gusty mirage]

well this is awkward

[balmy condor]

cowl ring is good

[hexed root]

i need to be as good as you in m+ on sin

[gusty mirage]

because cowl ring is our best embellish outside of lariat

lol

[thorn fjord]

then food on Dagger eh?

[balmy condor]

I mean if you count the ring as part of the embellishment, it's actually far better than lariat

[hexed root]

I'd have to dig deep

[gusty mirage]

if you want me to wine and dine you just ask

[hexed root]

my cobalt ring did more dmg then ring/cowl on some fightts

[thorn fjord]

Oh i'm a super cheap date

[balmy condor]

your cobalt ring also has half the stats of a normal ring

[hexed root]

facts

[brazen zodiac]

also not me cuz next week im getting brez helm so based

[hexed root]

im just comparing the procs

[balmy condor]

it's easy for a ring to do 6% of your damage when you're giving up 5.5% of it by missing stats

[gusty mirage]

nah you get grieftorch and the WA that taunts people when they die

[hexed root]

have you joined the ring/cowl club? last I heard you were neck/fang

[brazen zodiac]

i wouldve timed by 21 jades if i had brez to be honest

[balmy condor]

I don't have ring and the cowl isn't an upgrade until 418, and I don't have the primal focus for that atm

[brazen zodiac]

wouldve saved us the 30 minutes overtime tbh

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[balmy condor]

but once I get the primal focus I'll take the 0.4% increase yeah

[hexed root]

last it was brought up you were like... 100000% never going to do it

[balmy condor]

it's a dps upgrade

why wouldn't I

[hexed root]

idk just what you said

[unkempt burrow]

I’m wondering when the cobalt ring loses its value. It’s hard to trust a sim on that.

Sometimes it absolutely pumps

[balmy condor]

what

why would it be hard to trust a sim

[gusty mirage]

may I suggest

[brazen zodiac]

lol

oxi did u get jewel yet?

[cerulean nest]

i know this has been asked 1000 times, sorry. on 2pc DTB build, puzzle box is used before DM?

[gusty mirage]

ye

[limber lion]

Puzzle Box always before dm

[gusty mirage]

had to make 10 gems

[hexed root]

people say "sim cos ring, it's terrible cause haste!" yet mine has yet to be out simmed by other stat rings QQ

[balmy condor]

telling you when cobalt ring is worse is basically what sims were designed to do

[gusty mirage]

but ya know

[cerulean nest]

tyty

[gusty mirage]

finally hit the inspiration

[limber lion]

wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[gusty mirage]

so now I have 9 r2 primary stat gems in my bags

[limber lion]

Who's "people"?

[balmy condor]

who are these people telling you these stupid things

[thorn fjord]

Static Empowerment still sim bait?

[balmy condor]

it's our bis ring

[hexed root]

some 2900 io rogue

[balmy condor]

are they playing sub

[hexed root]

maybe outlaw v sin dif

[limber lion]

It's literally been our bis ring always

[gusty mirage]

no

its bis for them too

[limber lion]

Everytime Court is relevant content, it's bis

[hexed root]

right

[limber lion]

In Legion, In Shadowlands, now

Always

[hexed root]

im not disagreeing

[gusty mirage]

it's just m+ rats think they're smarter than they really are

[hexed root]

ramfam and

shantianax

[limber lion]

SHANTI

ASDKOLFGJSDDG

[brazen zodiac]

u should see what the rogues tell me when i craft their stuff

[hexed root]

have said its trash

[balmy condor]

shanti omegalul

[limber lion]

@echo geyser

[gusty mirage]

I've seen it, it's not nice

[limber lion]

aight let's hear it

[thorn fjord]

Ram plays mainly outlaw so its not as good for pirate as it is Sin @hexed root

[gusty mirage]

it's literally free auto attack damage

[hexed root]

according to cev it is

[gusty mirage]

what

[obtuse vale]

Got the seal of finial duty in my vault. How can I get the fire damage proc, or does it not matter?

[brazen zodiac]

yk shockingly out of all the people ive worked with that was probably the first or second person whos reacted like that lol

[gusty mirage]

flaring cowl

[limber lion]

what

[hexed root]

bis for outlaw too

[balmy condor]

that's the wrong ring

[limber lion]

did I say that

[thorn fjord]

Its not BiS for outlaw but its still really really good

[limber lion]

That's weird

[gusty mirage]

no I said that

we're the same

[hexed root]

sorry oxi said it

[gusty mirage]

which means I'm pretty good at violin

[limber lion]

woah

[hexed root]

y'all 100% the same

[gusty mirage]

hell yeah

also I'm one of the best sin rogues in the world

and I'm a hot finnish man

[brazen zodiac]

do i get tier piece here oxi

[timber meadow]

its bis on st but specifically for aoe it loses some value for outlaw

[gusty mirage]

I hope you do

[brazen zodiac]

ive noted on all tier pieces ive rolled between a 32-46

[balmy condor]

gonna need the gospel according to cev on this one to double check

you know how it is

[brazen zodiac]

on like 6-7 tokens now, kinda weird

[thorn fjord]

I love you guys

[obtuse vale]

On wowhead, doesn't your guide say it bis

[balmy condor]

all those apostles writing different shit

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor I've gone full degen

[hexed root]

yea, it's crazy how different everything is this season/expac so far

its fun

[gusty mirage]

I was asked to sim PI gains

apparently I get 7% if timed perfectly

[hexed root]

rip weekly quest

[balmy condor]

it says this, because those are the 2 best raid rings, but there's a better m+ ring, and it replaces filial

[obtuse vale]

Oh ok got it. Ty

[nova kelp]

BiS lists are BiS

[balmy condor]

that's what mine are too, and I'm not even in the top 5 for pi lmaoooooo

yeah

I fucking love bis lists

I love how much it confuses people

and how stupid they are

[gusty mirage]

RL started petitioning people so we can figure it out, apparently next higher is our MM hunter

[brazen zodiac]

and u love having to have the same conversation with me too

hehe

[balmy condor]

and how useless it is to an average player

[thorn fjord]

the lists or the people? @balmy condor

[gusty mirage]

1 goes to our UHDK on pull

[balmy condor]

and the best part is making it

[limber lion]

I did one +20 this week, I'm gonna oneshot a 421 socketed court ring

[balmy condor]

every patch

[limber lion]

see you guys in 5 hours

[balmy condor]

because it gets clicks

even though I would rather delete the entire gear page

because it's fucking stupid

[gusty mirage]

its better than my one 421 slot