#assassination
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nocturne current
@balmy condor Dope tracks
subtle tundra
Cool underwear @balmy condor
balmy condor
ty
chilly viper
Whats the pandemic range of garotte and rupt ?
balmy condor
!pd
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
chilly viper
Ty
weak horizon
!whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev
autumn frost
What happened to the dungeon slice trinket recommendations?
On the sim spreadsheet.
Just got a bottle of spiraling winds and was wondering about how it generally ranks
elfin valley
Whats the uptime for the 4 set bonus like in M+?
balmy condor
Just got a bottle of spiraling winds and was wondering about how it generally ra...
not great, but I have to rerun a lot of stuff
balmy condor
Whats the uptime for the 4 set bonus like in M+?
anywhere from 95-100%
balmy condor
I mean
apply poison -> stack
you fok 5 target -> you're gonna apply a poison
it's like a 98% uptime in single target
and its only higher in aoe
brazen zodiac
:o
elfin valley
mb just thought of the question randomly hadnt checked in a few
brazen zodiac
i was gonna say
hot god lawdy dayumYUM
got me 418 daggy les goo
did u get ur fiery soul >:)
balmy condor
brazen zodiac
i had a very unhappy rogue before who missed the 40% 6 times
seems unlucky but rng
umbral rapids
a cute ass face
Truuuuue
fading rover
so puzzle is the other BiS trinket for Sin?
snow kindle
Why do we rupture is ER then rupture again
gusty mirage
Why do we rupture is ER then rupture again
drifting cloud
are you gonna play assa
burnt latch
im not sure, sadly that is very often a decision not in my hands
i somehow ended up in sub prison for diurna
dont know how that happened
drifting cloud
did you play sub on kurog, probably not right?
burnt latch
that spec kinda slaps on that fight if u discount the existential dread u feel running between packs
no i played outlaw on kurog
fading rover
is puzzle the 2nd BiS for Sin?
burnt latch
i hope id get to play assa for chicken, but i fear the gods might forbid it
woeful meteor
is puzzle the 2nd BiS for Sin?
Its the best trinket from m+ and one of the best overall
Some Raid Trinkets will beat it
fading rover
Its the best trinket from m+ and one of the best overall
because i already have manic
woeful meteor
Sim what you have and then sim droptimizer to see if there is something better
outer arrow
Question: when should i use puzzle box for ST DTB
toxic burrow
Ugh... Failed a 15 Azure Vault pug. The spriest outgeared us but he kept dying in the first minute of every post-tree boss fight, which just made it harder and led to wipes. The tank eventually called it since he had to go after a 4% wipe on the final boss.
unkempt scroll
i see in the spreadsheet that puzzle box and grief torch are the top trinkets. how do we go about using them both in the opener since neither of them are instant?
toxic burrow
Set up your pandemic dots and ERd Rupture, pop puzzle, then exsang and deathmark. Not sure how it changes for the torch since I don't have it.
unkempt scroll
ahh ty thats what i was doing it just felt a bit odd, guess i just need to get used to the trinket. just got torch so ill have to play around with it.
subtle parcel
What are your thoughts on assa in m+ compared to sub/outlaw? Any dungeon/affix combination where you’d rather play assa than the other two? I’ve always had a max lvl rogue alt since legion and never played sin rogue in keys. I wanna switch it up a little, but not if I handicap myself a lot
brazen zodiac
Lost my 2pc to our devoker who did 35k dps on broodkeeper heroic
like in ur guild or
neon oxide
like in ur guild or
Ye
brazen zodiac
lol
craggy notch
No but its still an a tier spec @subtle parcel
brazen zodiac
ez
strange python
Usually guilds that bring pugs will loot council items if a guildy wins
But might just be easier to roll shit and not worry
toxic burrow
Less stress, but more opportunities for sadness.
neon oxide
It was supposed to be the case - but I guess its a massive oversight
neon oxide
Less stress, but more opportunities for sadness.
can confirm, was v sad
strange python
If it helps
I got 4set before our other rogue but he got given everything else and still outsims me by 3k
And a bunch of dummies meme me for "losing with 4set"
strange python
Dude has grieftorch and incarnate icon and is 411 ilvl to my 402
grim jay
Just get puzzlebox, Hunger and 398 offpieces with the right stats, problem nearly solved
398 should be easy enough to farm
grim jay
Thats not entirely true. It depends on the ilvl of the trinkets
And if you dont have the best trinkets available torch and incarn aside, while only simming 3k lower
And maybe not having the optimal offpieces
Who cares about the ilvl
grim jay
That aside, no reason to complain if you dont wanna invest the time in getting the stuff that you can get
grim jay
never have I seen such blind ignorance
Mh ? 😁
idle coyote
The stuff that gets said in here is why I keep coming back
balmy condor
no reason to complain dude
just HAVE GEAR
why are you complaining when you could just GET GEAR
strange python
Also
I have that gear.
Mythic and heroic raid loot is higher ilvl than key loot lol
strange python
No amount of key loot will let you compete with a 411 ilvl with bis trinkets lol
balmy condor
throw a spark at it
strange python
I'm 402 in raid, 406 in keys (outlul), almost all key loot is a downgrade.
strange python
I've run 14 20s this week
grim jay
why are you complaining when you could just GET GEAR
Dunno like, M+ is farmable. Nothing wrong with getting gear 🤷♂️
balmy condor
Dunno like, M+ is farmable. Nothing wrong with getting gear 🤷♂️
okay idk if you're actually an idiot or just illiterate at this point
he ALREADY HAS that gear
strange python
I was making an anecdote in response to someone not getting tier and your response was to farm gear at a lower ilvl than I already am
grim jay
I'm 402 in raid, 406 in keys (outlul), almost all key loot is a downgrade.
If you already have the best stuff you can get out of m+ its a different point
strange python
402 with 4set would imply I've got a healthy serving of m+ loot
balmy condor
brazen zodiac
strange python
It's a rare sight when whispyr's taking my side.
balmy condor
I don't take sides
strange python
Deep down I know u still love me
balmy condor
I just tell people who are being stupid that they're being stupid
grim jay
He literally said 4set
strange python
You got mad at me for telling people they were stupid 😦
balmy condor
the side I take is logic
grim jay
Not best m+ stuff he can get
balmy condor
you told him to farm 398 gear
strange python
Idk 402 would imply a lot of m+ loot if you're not being given raid loot
balmy condor
"I'm not getting raid gear, this other guy is 411"
have you considered farming 398 gear
grim jay
you told him to farm 398 gear
I literally told him to farm upgrades if possible
balmy condor
I literally told him to farm upgrades if possible
it was very obvious that it wasn't
well
very obvious to everyone except you
apparently
grim jay
More power to you if you assume best m+ gear simwise out of his 4 set
grim jay
Idk 402 would imply a lot of m+ loot if you're not being given raid loot
You can have m+ loot that has suboptimal stats.
strange python
My only issue with stats is too much crit
And the fact that tier set has too much vers
balmy condor
farm m+ I guess
+50 dps
technically you can farm m+ for all the gear you already have, and hope it drops with a socket
and then that's your golden ticket to outdpsing someone 10ilvl higher than you
I guess
brazen zodiac
dont give them that idea they might just be crazy enough to do it
brazen zodiac
hehe
wary ice
Gem rolls the new titanforging confirmed
brazen zodiac
brackenhide is a fun and interactive dungeon i love running there to craft
grim jay
And the fact that tier set has too much vers
Nothing to do about that ye. If you already have everything else. As I said I didnt read an optimal gearset out of your 4p and it was based on possible upgrades
strange python
mr stabsalot is a reputable lunatic
I take this as a genuine competent I hope you know that
grim jay
mr stabsalot is a reputable lunatic
You actually are just being a dick at this point, but its fine
wary ice
We don't have a nostalgia pepe so copium will have to do
toxic burrow
Man, late night shenanigans always bring out popcorn moments with Whisp
strange python
You actually are just being a dick at this point, but its fine
I took it to mean "reputable" and "lunatic" as two separate adjectives.
balmy condor
You actually are just being a dick at this point, but its fine
I stopped talking to you like 5 min ago 
strange python
Idk if he meant it that way but I take it that way
balmy condor
I did mean it that way
strange python
😦
balmy condor
we love the south bay
strange python
I was staying next to whatever that baseball stadium is
oak sky
ill tell you where i was last night
strange python
Idk, next to the bridge
oak sky
near the intersection of almaden and blossom hill 😈
strange python
Aunt n uncle have some insane condo there
strange python
Oracle = oco?
sterile chasm
we love the south bay
What is the best 3rd item from spark for my assa i Think about second dagger What did You craft? 😜
balmy condor
oco is the oakland coliseum
balmy condor
yea
strange python
No, was in SF lol. By the bridge next to the baseball stadium and near the falling building
balmy condor
same place
strange python
Yeah that one
balmy condor
which is not oracle arena
oak sky
i was confused whispyr wasnt
strange python
That's just confusing
strange python
Agreon shouldnt you be in westwood
oak sky
no
balmy condor
that's why we call it oco
balmy condor
because oracle arena is right next to oakland coliseum
and then oracle
is the SF oracle
strange python
ORANGE COUNTY
oak sky
im from oc bro
strange python
Rip
oak sky
im only at ucla for school
oak sky
no clue man
strange python
Din Tai fung not too far at least?
strange python
Sawtelles good
strange python
I live by ktown it's great
oak sky
i should go out more probably
strange python
That campus is wild. Every time I'm there I get lost
sweet inlet
is the offhand ilvl of assassination just as important as MH due to mutilate or not nearly as much?
strange python
No
OH ilvl isn't that important. But you should sim any item you're considering.
For example though, a 421 Fenrir/nerzhul dagger is BiS even though diurna dagger is 424
strange python
What change
balmy condor
shuffled some stats around and changed some talents
strange python
Rip
balmy condor
and the haste/vers actually is accomodated
strange python
Can we also not be in YET ANOTHER OUTLAW TIER
balmy condor
so the 424 is actually like 0.2% better
but! you are still technically correct that ilvl doesn't have much of an impact
strange python
Our heroic week nerfs seem awfully overboard with mythic logs coming through
balmy condor
it's still a factor, but offhand ilevel is often not too relevant
strange python
Or rather "week 1" nerfs
oak sky
That campus is wild. Every time I'm there I get lost
ucla or what
strange python
ucla or what
Yeah I have fucked up eyes I've been going to UCLA eye specialists for 25 years
strange python
Middle of a city tho
oak sky
i mean on the edge of a city
strange python
Is it just send shiv on CD with single shiv?
mild canyon
Guys, is PI'ing an assa rogue with Zoldyck Recipe big value on Deathmark <35% boss HP? Do we have a PI value per class spreadsheet somewhere?
strange python
That's a very specific scenario
balmy condor
Guys, is PI'ing an assa rogue with Zoldyck Recipe big value on Deathmark <35% bo...
no it's not big value, yes there's a sheet somewhere
mild canyon
I know right 😂
mild canyon
no it's not big value, yes there's a sheet somewhere
Alright gotcha
strange python
The value would be stronger with KB than DTB but you'd have a hard time convincing a raid that it's higher value than a warlock, DK, or mage
balmy condor
I had to do these pi sims during the race to try and find a reason for rogue pi
and uh
rogues in the race didn't get PI
strange python
Whispyr you fucking maniac
rigid vortex
no it's not big value, yes there's a sheet somewhere
strange python
New bis is double on use with puzzle box plz no
mild canyon
The value would be stronger with KB than DTB but you'd have a hard time convinci...
Nah I don't want PI I was just kinda thinking of a situation where Rogue would actually get PI and Zoldyck with CDs up seemed like the only situation where it could have had value
balmy condor
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGo...
yeh that one
strange python
Nah I don't *want* PI I was just kinda thinking of a situation where Rogue would...
Rogue gets PI when you're better than all your other raiders
balmy condor
Nah I don't *want* PI I was just kinda thinking of a situation where Rogue would...
yeh and then it's still like half the value of mage and evoker unlocker L
strange python
Or when you're apolane against your will
balmy condor
rigid vortex
Nah you dont u always give PI to warlock kekW
mild canyon
Rogue gets PI when you're better than all your other raiders
I do get PI as I'm slapping in our current group
mild canyon
Kinda annoying though because 99 parses just vanish after the raid
Is that how they work around PI on warcraftlogs now?
strange python
Yep
dire lodge
is it true exsanguinate is being removed with the weekly reset?
strange python
I have TOO MUCH CRIT
balmy condor
like the order of operations for pi is as follows:
- Is the UHDK in army? Army time yep
- Do you have a warlock? warlock PI now
- Do you have an arcane mage? their pi
- Do you have an evoker or a hunter with the bow? They get pi now because pew pew
- Are you the only person left on earth? I guess you get pi then
oak sky
my haste is lower than my vers 💀
oak sky
i need the cos ring like desperately
dire lodge
like the order of operations for pi is as follows:
1. Is the UHDK in army? Army...
forgot to pi the bear druid so he can cast more mangles
oak sky
debating whetehr i do one more run of cos tonight
balmy condor
is it true exsanguinate is being removed with the weekly reset?
sorry idk what this "exsanguinate" is
is that like
an item
dire lodge
Did you know guardian druid's rotation only consists of 3 steps, and #1 is make sure you are in bear form?
with pi you would be unstoppable
balmy condor
yeah their gcd gets reduced
strange python
Whyyyyyy is double on use our BiS though
balmy condor
Whyyyyyy is double on use our BiS though
cause they made channel trinkets rewarding
grim jay
debating whetehr i do one more run of cos tonight
Might get beefy again next week depending on your keylevel, I'll do some more before reset
balmy condor
on the plus side though, hey 90k we're back in sub single target territory lets go
balmy condor
Which I assume is the play
ye
strange python
Or
I could play sub, only have 7 buttons to press, have a passive trinket, and a scripted rotation?
And do more damage?
dire lodge
how do i fix my distributions
strange python
I don't hate puzzle box tbh. I do hate BiS that's from m+ though
balmy condor
delete character and go again
strange python
Waiting for vault to cooperate sucks
dire lodge
blizzard sale ends in 6 hours. thinking about caving in to sims and race changing to Vulpera for assassination..
balmy condor
dire lodge
Does the vulpera racial proc on garrote and rupture dot ticks? Or just on mutilate? btw, can u possibly make your vulpera louder in combat?
balmy condor
you had the best m+ trinket
at 421
in your vault
and you took something better?
what an insane vault
grim jay
What was it tho
strange python
Better have been eranog ring
dire lodge
bro had mythic grieftorch in there too
strange python
BRUH
balmy condor
strange python
:huh:
dire lodge
"free thinkers" when flaring cowl sims 0.00037% higher
balmy condor
"free thinkers" when flaring cowl sims 0.00037% higher
No one can be free when sim says number
balmy condor
Shackles to a cursed god
dire lodge
No one can be free when sim says number
balmy condor
dire lodge
balmy condor
just run 1/2 IP like a normal person
balmy condor
Whyyyyyy is double on use our BiS though
also it actually gets far worse than this
grim jay
Can it tho
strange python
how would you like to play er exsang
dire lodge
just use the controlled current technique. its passive. it gives attack speed. u dont have to raise ur apm or stimulate ur brain with puzzlebox. its a win-win
strange python
Whispyr cooking up cursed shit to ruin our lives
balmy condor
that's actually cev tech
strange python
just use the controlled current technique. its passive. it gives attack speed. u...
I want rank 1s
strange python
What fucking build is this?
dire lodge
I want rank 1s
where are you buying your power infusions
grim jay
CCT isnt as consistent as double on-use either ig
balmy condor
like this kb exsang build
grim jay
Since you could possibly ruin procs
strange python
This is the full Sanctum Cev all over again
balmy condor
so this is like
dire lodge
not trying to tempt anyone here. but look at that. two passive trinkets out of the top 3... no thinking required....
strange python
Sanctum Cev was selling is all on BSDS and Obe>vigor and dashing for like, 5 weeks
grim jay
no one's fucking playing that shit
Include it and you will see it being played
balmy condor
no
strange python
Cev is like Quentin Tarantino. Sometimes he needs to be reigned in.
balmy condor
that's getting sweeped
no more
I will not allow a sin rogue to play solo ER kb exsang
that is a hell I do not wish on my worst enemy (it's @strange python, he shouldn't have to play it)
flat sentinel
does sin do decent dps in m+ or better of with sub/outlaw?
balmy condor
decent, but worse
dim mural
Does mastery from puzzle box buffs bleeds already applied to the target?
balmy condor
yes
grim jay
Imagine all the questions you will get
dire lodge
hey that build looks kind of fun whisypr, do you mind if i try it?
balmy condor
you specifically, yes
dire lodge
can you replace exsang with TTB here?
strange python
that is a hell I do not wish on my worst enemy (it's <@456226577798135808>, he s...
I don't understand what you're saying here
balmy condor
I don't understand what you're saying here
I'm implying you're my worst enemy
grim jay
And he doesnt want you to reign supreme with the most powerful build
balmy condor
Because I'm mean to lambda and tryan and varas and ahri and aurhora and ?
yeah you're taking my job
strange python
yeah you're taking my job
You banned me for it 😦
balmy condor
You banned me for it 😦
actually I muted you for it
cause you took it a bit too far with someone whose skin was a bit too soft
strange python
For three days
balmy condor
kind of unlucky
strange python
That's basically a ban 😦
balmy condor
you're here now aren't you
dire lodge
kind of dont understand why assassination requires daggers to use mutilate. youd really think a master assassin could use swords without being completely useless
balmy condor
kind of dont understand why assassination requires daggers to use mutilate. youd...
you can still fok
dire lodge
kind of pathetic
balmy condor
that's not completely worthless
strange python
If someone's gonna lie I'm gonna call them a liar. And then maybe take it too far when they keep lying
dire lodge
we should be able to bring out 2 handers
grim jay
Rogues use daggers.
balmy condor
but it was a strat
strange python
The subtlety edge of night 30% health weapon swap macro. Oh lawd
dire lodge
Rogues use daggers.
🤓 🤓 uhm actually my favorite spec (pirate rogue) needs a 1 handed sword to use dispatch!
did you know sub can have a sword in off hand and still cast backstab
strange python
🤓 🤓 uhm actually my favorite spec (pirate rogue) needs a 1 handed sword to us...
Who let a pirate in this channel
dire lodge
what is holding assassination back?
balmy condor
where's the deathly shadows prepull of this expansion
I propose we do an ER pre-pull
strange python
where's the deathly shadows prepull of this expansion
KB no ER Exsang build
balmy condor
since the combo points don't actually go away after they time out
polar gull
i just want to be able to mog daggers into swords, this sword/dagger outlaw combo is killin my mog game
balmy condor
you just ER "accidentally"
grim jay
that was a strat in 8.3
When was it that we were memeing with FOK that build and stuff, kinda dont know if it was that patch. At one point FOKing simed best
balmy condor
and then carry the cp into the next pull
grim jay
For some time
dire lodge
i just want to be able to mog daggers into swords, this sword/dagger outlaw comb...
skill issue
strange python
Real tech: ER the boss, reset, pull with ER having 15 seconds on CD
oak sky
Sanctum Cev was selling is all on BSDS and Obe>vigor and dashing for like, 5 wee...
vigor was worse than mfd for all builds
dire lodge
buy the night blade tmog dagger its the best one in the game
stats are temporary dagger tmog is eternal
grim jay
buy the night blade tmog dagger its the best one in the game
Sin magetower > nightblade
balmy condor
When was it that we were memeing with FOK that build and stuff, kinda dont know ...
there was a bug in antorus that had some fok tech, and then nyalotha had some fok tech because slappers and echoing blades, but I don't remember any of it simming higher
dire lodge
Sin magetower > nightblade
ive neverr saw such a delusional take but i respect it
strange python
vigor was worse than mfd for all builds <:starege:923197272064426075>
For a good chunk of the raid the logs were all vigor because Sims =/= real life. Higher haste in farm changed that a bit. But BSDS was always a simbait
strange python
sin magetower > all mogs
So goofy on a tauren
grim jay
Sin magetower is the best
grim jay
Who plays tauren
balmy condor
++
dire lodge
this is the dagger you chose
oak sky
So goofy on a tauren
bro literally if you looked at the data mfd was better than vigor everyone playing vigor was getting fed externals, mfd did more on average
oak sky
bs/ds was only a thing on guardian anyways and it lost value because execute shit probably
normal mist
I want that last one recolor
dire lodge
imagine a tauren coming up to u looking like this
grim jay
there was a bug in antorus that had some fok tech, and then nyalotha had some fo...
It was antorus then. Not sure if it simed higher but it only was a thing for a couple of days
normal mist
Only have it in like green
balmy condor
It was antorus then. Not sure if it simed higher but it only was a thing for a c...
yeah that's antorus
wasn't ever put into sims
got hotfixed super fast
infinite stacking deadly poison
what a time to be alive
grim jay
Man of culture
dire lodge
feral druid
balmy condor
balmy condor
unreal epoch
so with this smokey 90k build we using the KB rotation without pressing KB right
oak sky
bright cobalt
quick question: Is it normal for sin rogue to sim pretty low in "DungeonSlice" mode? My 2set sub rogue is at 74k while my sin rogue sims only 53k so i was kinda surprised
dense herald
imagine a tauren coming up to u looking like this
What are those weps they’re mad
balmy condor
quick question: Is it normal for sin rogue to sim pretty low in "DungeonSlice" m...
Yes
dense herald
Did you get Terros whisp
dire lodge
im so bricked up rn i might race change to female dwarf
dire lodge
What are those weps they’re mad
the night blade
dire lodge
tbh i could make a female mechagnome work way better than this
these hair styles all kind of mid
dire lodge
?
i am confused what you mean by that?
gnomes are the #1 alliance race
have u ever seen a gnome wearing the deep dive helmet
grim jay
I'd never touch that
dire lodge
dudes wont touch a funny little gnome but they line up to play a hunchback lime colored orc
grim jay
Whats next ? You like outlaw and wanna mog thunderfury?
dire lodge
now vulpera though
thats a banger
whats next? you want to play a blood elf female rogue?
literal NPCs
if you play blood elf
grim jay
Im human male
grim jay
OG PvP race 
dire lodge
this what it feels like being surrounded by blood elves
dire lodge
OG PvP race <:starege:923197272064426075> <:Kappa:675691839881216001>
🤓 my racial isnt turbo-broken!
it rly is crazy they let humans just do that
for so long
every man for himself nerf was the end of an era
royal lantern
its because nobody cares about pvp
toxic burrow
dudes wont touch a funny little gnome but they line up to play a hunchback lime ...
I'd rather play an orc than a diaper-wearing mechagnome.
dire lodge
me when the havoc dh survives my 7th go in pvp
vestal wren
this what it feels like being surrounded by blood elves
to be fair, quite a lot of players went tauren now
royal lantern
to be fair, quite a lot of players went tauren now
yeha, no, its the typical "lmao im so funny xd" thing and then they go back to female belf like always
unreal epoch
ouhhh haste gems
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wZQgTk5VXy2p7Fp89CDkSc
oak sky
Dies with reset gear for sure
Tell minalba to step it up
balmy condor
Tell minalba to step it up
Minalba suffering bro
oak sky
balmy condor
No dh Tier Token on any difficulty for 2 weeks
balmy condor
2
royal lantern
My poor dhussy
cease
oak sky
Hopefully sennarth prog is good this week 
balmy condor
Hate spider
dire lodge
yeha, no, its the typical "lmao im so funny xd" thing and then they go back to f...
kind of real
why do so many alliance players go void elf over dwarf am i missing something or what
dwarf sims higher all target count and they get the most op defensive racial in game
is it just because female blood elf model diff
craggy glen
Style > sim
grim jay
Velf is sub and looks better
royal lantern
dwarf sims higher all target count and they get the most op defensive racial in ...
racial sims are a meme
thats why
people that care about racial sims, need to get a reality check asap
dire lodge
racial sims are a meme
ok but u cant say racial actives are a meme
dwarf and night elf literal mdi meta at some points
what do the void elves even do again
grim jay
Port
oak sky
Void elf could have some uses on dk and priest
Every once in a while you need that type of mobility
dire lodge
Free thinkers after spending 500 dollars faction changing to horde for 0.00027% increase dps
dire lodge
Void elf could have some uses on dk and priest
ye reading it up rn seems like it would be atleast decent on super immobile classes
rogue however idk
could u velf racial > shadowstep kick> velf racial back to original location?
oak sky
You would only go velf on rogue because the racial passive damage is decent and you like the look
dire lodge
kind of some insane gaming right there tbh if u could
dire lodge
ye i was just browsing warcraftlogs a bit i can only see so many female void elves in a row before having to stop
wait holy shit
void elf racial with storm eaters boon 
royal lantern
i just like my free teleport spot and 1,5min healing potions 
dire lodge
is that like the highmopuntain tauren racial
ah a vulpera enjoyer mb
i have a toy that turns me into a vulpera for 1h that doesnt break in combat. really lets me live a double life
royal lantern
we need a ilgynoth style fight again, where Nose for trouble breaks the game
that shit was 10/10
dire lodge
i kinda wanna see what a full raid of lightforged draeneis does
i dont think i have ever seen this race ingame
no way they get the turbo laser and a death nuke racial at the same time
sleek nymph
there was a bug in antorus that had some fok tech, and then nyalotha had some fo...
my beloved
royal lantern
i dont think i have ever seen this race ingame
very limited class choices, doesnt have 2of the most popular classes avaible
balmy condor
my beloved
dire lodge
@balmy condor you dont play female blood elf, right?
u kinda strike me as a goblin enjoyer
balmy condor
I do
dire lodge
last straw
grim jay
u kinda strike me as a goblin enjoyer
Thats an insult @balmy condor
dire lodge
hey
grim jay
Ban-worthy
dire lodge
goblin is the reason horde is what it is today
remember that one raid fight from legion
where all the top guilds had to go horde for goblin racial
lul
brazen zodiac
goblins are based idk
vestal wren
whats worse, vulpera or goblins?
balmy condor
Thats an insult <@167090536602140682>
I don’t think Ive ever seen kmrn say something serious, he’s vibin
dire lodge
whats worse, vulpera or goblins?
i dont understand the use of "worse" here
wary ether
as a vulpera enjoyer, goblins suck
DOLLY AND DOT ARE MY BEST FRIEND, THEY PULL MY WAGON THROUGH DUNES OF SAND
how can you not love em
dire lodge
@vestal wren thoughts on lightforged draenei death bomb + veiltouched? think im cooking up world first m+ strats right now
royal lantern
whats worse, vulpera or goblins?
when you do /sleep as a vulpera and then stand up, they do a cat loooong stretch, that alone is bis
balmy condor
when you do /sleep as a vulpera and then stand up, they do a cat loooong stretch...
I’m race changing on stream tomorrow on god
royal lantern
I’m race changing on stream tomorrow on god
you did not know that???
dire lodge
yeah well mechagnomes can use their body as an anvil or forge anywhere so i mean
whos really winning
balmy condor
you did not know that???
I do now
royal lantern
vestal wren
<@194804407706189824> thoughts on lightforged draenei death bomb + veiltouched? ...
no idea
royal lantern
best thing of the race togheter with camp
dire lodge
no idea
🫡 ill do some experiments in the field
wonder if its bannable min maxxing lightforged draenei on-death passive
kinda just want to die 100 times in a key now
vestal wren
to bad it does reduce your timer each time you do so
grim jay
royal lantern
its uncapped AOE
STONKS comming???
we need lightforged shamans now blizz
+raid full with grieftorch
normal mist
Kamikaze incoming
dire lodge
pull likeall of algethar academy into one room and just have 5 lightforged draeneis chain dying with the engineering b-rez bracers
royal lantern
why did you save that from whisps last stream
dire lodge
my time has come
grim jay
why did you save that from whisps last stream
Weird fetish, sorry
balmy condor
why did you save that from whisps last stream
supple prawn
on assa
marble zephyr
kinda just want to die 100 times in a key now
week 1 shenanigans
lethal heart
!lariat
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dim yacht
is it expected/normal to do 10-15% less dps than other specs in m+ on over all? single target im usually ahead, but aoe im just getting dumpstered everytime, doing mostly 20s. thats just 'deal with it if you want to play sin' right?
velvet bison
!whispyr
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balmy condor
is it expected/normal to do 10-15% less dps than other specs in m+ on over all? ...
Yeah seems reasonable
dim yacht
honestly good to know im not just dogshit lol
balmy condor
At least on equal footing obv
I pull equal with most of my guildies but they’re also not m+ players and they got like 5 ilvl less
dim yacht
yeah, im mostly playing with people at same IO as me, and same gear level of around 410
depending on the dungeon, im doing 65-70k overall
and then most people are doing anywhere from 75-90k depending on their spec
balmy condor
Yeh
dim yacht
still better than season 1 shadowlands i guess
dim yacht
yeah, i think it depends on how well stuff gets kept together too
if shit is all over the place, your PB procs arent gonna be as effective
and i think thats pretty relevant
balmy condor
Academy I’m pushing over 100, but 100 in halls probably not reasonable for sin :P
dim yacht
i feel like academy is one of our better keys, stuff says grouped up a lot more easily
and i actually do quite well on tree boss
we get so much boss damage since we can do so many envenoms
strange python
I have decided to make a prot pally alt. I may have gone crazy
dim yacht
and im usually doing 200-250k on higher academy keys (on tree boss)
strange python
They have so many cooldowns
balmy condor
Yeh
dim yacht
at least i can pretend im useful with iron wire
balmy condor
Idk
It feels like sins issue is that other classes got cooldowns
And all the big packs are just cooldowns
dim yacht
right, we dont really have aoe cooldowns
balmy condor
Versus sin just always doing aoe
balmy condor
Lmao ye
Idk it’s just I could do 150k on this pack
But it’s a triple pull and the others have cds
They’re doing 400k
dim yacht
yeah its crazy
what if deathmark was a choice talent
with one focused on ST and the other on aoe
balmy condor
Idk you’d probably always play dm for boss damage unless the aoe one is bonkers stupid
dim yacht
groups havent gotten mad at me though, which is nice. most of the comments are just saying i do a lot more damage than theyd expect for sin
and i just try to be useful and get the important kicks so people can focus on pumping
damage becomes less relevant i feel if youre playing the dungeon well in general, getting ccs and kicks in the right places
steel ridge
Not the worst idea I’ve heard though
similiar to dark glare in affliction, which can do AoE or more ST
dim yacht
did a 22 academy yesterday, which i think is ranked 40 NA. didnt time it
but it was so damn smooth
well, ish
had some deaths racking up, but mystic blast and arcane rain sure werent issues, i made sure of that
dim yacht
similiar to dark glare in affliction, which can do AoE or more ST
hows that work?
what if instead of exsang speeding up bleeds, it spread bleeds instead
nobody likes exsang anyway
not carnage like aoe, but instead made the bleeds start spreading to other targets over time
limber heath
are you using DTB build?
silver pendant
sup guys, new here. Which spec of assassination is better, kingsbane or dtb?
dim yacht
i am yeah
sweet sphinx
as an ass man, im just glad i can pplay without beeing told by every group i should switch to outlaw
limber heath
so you manually apply dots?
dim yacht
the idea is you dont really want to be putting bleeds outside of CT up if you dont need to
open with garrotes, and then apply bleeds as needed to keep your energy up
and then just keep envenom buff up and spam CT, or spam envenom and keep CT up on smaller pulls
weave garrotes/ruptures as needed if you start lacking energy
limber heath
i usually apply garrote to 3 targets then ruptures to 3 or 4 theen do ct and eenveenom
idk im just new trying both builds
dim yacht
i think you might be going a bit overboard on your ruptures
silver pendant
sup guys, new here. Which spec of assassination is better, kingsbane or dtb?
in raids*
dim yacht
you dont need that many bleeds up
your goal should be to have enough bleeds that you have the energy to keep spamming fok/ct
limber heath
spamming ct is better?
dim yacht
if more than 6 targets, CT>envenom, but keep the envenom buff uptime
if less than 6 targets, focus on envenoms, and keep CT uptime
as your garrotes/ruptures start expiring, reapply some to keep your energy coming in
limber heath
do you switch targets and enveenom different ones for amp poison or just prio targeet?
dim yacht
if theres no prio ill tab target to reapply garrotes here and there usually
otherwise, i blast the prio
limber heath
so amp poison on other targets are irreleevant
dim yacht
yeah its really not that big of a deal. assuming youre on higher than 6 targets and spamming CT, keeping envenom buff up time is gonna end up with your target having 10+ stacks of amp the majority of the time
since youre only using envenom to keep the buff up, unless its a hard prio target
if its prio, ill apply my 3 garrotes, the last target being the prio, then rupture, keep CT uptime and then just blast envenoms into prio, thistle tea as needed
and chuck deathmark on it too, assuming its not right before a boss pull
if pulls get longer and stuff is grouped up well, i can pull 90-100k on trash pulls
sometimes more, just depends on circumstances, what the pull is etc
if its like giga pulls with lust, ill do more like 130k
limber heath
thank you ive been trying kingsbane build lately but with eexsang and kingsbanee there is so much to press and it feels weird jsut pressing them on cd doesnt feel like im doing any aoe
dim yacht
or like 200k if its those giant lasher pulls in academy
dtb is definitely a lot easier to play
limber heath
yea poison bomb seems to do good dps too
dim yacht
i dont think we can say that sin is better, but dtb does bring something to the table at least in terms of a strong aoe slow
and a reduction in damage from numbing poison too
fleet imp
Are you playing CT DTB @dim yacht?
dim yacht
yeah
limber heath
yea poison utillty is slept on
dim yacht
depending on the dungeon and group comp, i sometimes drop iron wire in favor of improved poisons
wouldnt recommend it for most dungeons
but you can do it for some, like smbg
if youre dropping iron wire on halls of valor though, youre just trolling
or most dungeons tbh. shadowmoon is an exception where i feel its completely unneeded
fleet imp
Which poisons do you run?
fleet imp
Full slow and usual ones dps
Ive only played ic kb yet in keys
Was reading your previous messages and the output seems to be more or less the same
Have you tried ic kb for a comparison?
dim yacht
i havent, no
though funnily enough, earlier this week i was doing an 18 halls, and there was a second sin rogue
the chances of two sin rogues at that IO being in the same key must be hilariously low. i was running dtb, and he was running ic/kb, and honestly he dumpstered me
but i found out later i had some talent issues, because i thought nightstalker affected garrotes
and found out that nightstalker is literally just an empty talent slot for sin, its so dumb
fleet imp
With ic kb build on big packs with cds I do up to 400k
But on normal pulls its around 100-150k
Boss dps around 45/50ish?
fleet imp
I know dtb is about 4k for st for me
One questions
What is the break even between CT spam vs Envenom spam for PB
dim yacht
what do you mean
like the amount of targets?
general rule is 6+ targets you should CT, 5 or less you should envenom. but always aim to keep as much uptime as you can on both
and take into consideration if your targets are clumped or spread
balmy condor
Idk I basically full spam ct on 4 like in council
dim yacht
like the frogs in azure jump around everywhere, i dont think envenom is the way to go
balmy condor
It’s really hard to find the breakpoint tho
dim yacht
true
dim yacht
yeah i bet lol
fleet imp
Not asking for precise number
balmy condor
Just gotta feel it honestly
dim yacht
i think whether your targets are clumped is gonna be more relevant than the amount of targets
fleet imp
Just an educated guess
dim yacht
if theyre all gonna get hit by PB, its gonna be a lot more juicy
dim yacht
sin would be better if they didnt nerf PB, and nerfed ST only with the 3% blanket nerf
and didnt nerf our aoe at same time
shame really
and yeah basically what whispyr said. just focus on having envenom buff time up
and then spam CT basically
3 targets isnt aoe anymore, thats just cleave
so at that point, id be keeping up garrotes/ruptures/ct and then just envenoming between
whipsyr, do you know why the flaming cowl sims so bad? it sounds good on paper. like if you have a pull of 10, shouldnt it just be a passive 3k dps or so?
midnight atlas
It ticks every 3s.
dim yacht
but even without ring, isnt that a passive 450 dps per target at all times?
that doesnt sound awful
and does the ring have an ICD?
midnight atlas
Cowl deals 1% dps alone
dim yacht
seems like cowl would be more useful on aoe than fang adornment or bronze grip
midnight atlas
Long term its said to be better. Fang adornments dealt 0.8-1% dps
At least for me
dim yacht
know if the ring has an ICD or not? like hypothetically, if youre in a 10 target pull with cowl
can ring proc on multiple targets at same time
maybe ill fuck around with cowl on next spark
midnight atlas
Usually stuff like that has icd. But i cant say yes or no for sure
dim yacht
yeah youd think so
gn rogues, gl on your vaults
may you get 421 puzzle boxes or whatever trinket you want
teal iris
but even without ring, isnt that a passive 450 dps per target at all times?
total dps in keys is usually around 500 so i assume no
from cowl
thorn crater
got 418 puzzle box last week
crisp rover
im hopeing for tier but trinket works too
thorn crater
whispyr told me to skip it for tier token
havent got the 4th this week so i kinda hate him right now
lmfao
crisp rover
havent found a guild yet since been back on new class to so no previous logs since dk in wod
logged lfr lol o atleast have something
grim jay
Should easily get into a hc guild with casual mythic
From there you can get logs and get back to m prog
crisp rover
if i geared unholy id have a chance but wanting to mainswap
grim jay
Its annoying but ye
brazen sonnet
!fuu
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crisp rover
gotta start somewhere ontop of previous mythic exp on dk ill talk to some officers to consider
grim jay
You really need to get hc logs if you wanna get anywhere near m
crisp rover
theyd rather have lfr logs then 0
grim jay
The dk experience might help you out
crisp rover
comes down to it id go back to dk just to get back into flow then ask to mainswap too put me behind a week or gearing rogue but ye
Im on area 52 so most guilds are pretty good
grim jay
Well depends, I wouldnt. Lfr logs arent worth anything. Nhc isnt great either. HC is what people would consider for m mostly.
I'd just gear rogue asap, get into normal pugs, find a guild for hc so you can atleast gear through their NHC/HC runs
Pugging is really bad lootwise
crisp rover
lfr logs are just to show im not some idiot tht dosent know anythin abt rotation not being serious abt em more so indicator i can press my buttons
then hope dk exp gets me considered on new main being previous m ce raider
but gonna be gearing both so if comes to it ill stay dk but hoping otherwise
fleet imp
At no point in time is it worth in aoe
🤝
crisp rover
we got mait in 2 hours dont we
hoping my vault will have a tier pieces first 1 since came back or cos trink
limber lion
Sanctum Cev was selling is all on BSDS and Obe>vigor and dashing for like, 5 wee...
Hell no, I was one of the few people who never, ever played BS/DS on any boss, not even Guardian
limber lion
I might have tried it like 2-3 times but nah I'm good
royal lantern
we had 2 rogues, the Other did it and still did less dps, so w/e
limber lion
here's my choice of talents and legendaries and trinkets
:D
I will not take the bs ds slander
oh would you look at that, not a single bs ds log
true heath
Anyone playing assa in keys ?
spice spire
Yes
true heath
What’s it like
limber lion
Did you just shamelessly post pictures of the other rogue in your guild? <@16521...
Oh the Outlaw main?
Good one
spice spire
What’s it like
It is like you’re running keys. It’s good
grim jay
spice spire
The DK?
spice spire
@ebon notch
limber lion
this is what my assa looked like in cn
still no bs/ds logs anywhere to be seen
@strange python
explain yourself
explain this slander
ebon notch
Fotm actually played BS/DS
Oh no what did I do
I didn't mind BS/DS personally
Big envenoms were always fun
lofty junco
started to level my bfa rogue now. curious how is rogue in DF especialy assa(and maybe outlaw)
rain oyster
!fuu
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thorn fjord
We GriefTorch boiz today? Believe and achieve!
spice spire
Yessir
crisp rover
2nd week for me so hopeing to get tier from vault
or 1 of the good trinkys
got all 372 gear besides cloak booties
402 weekly 4 mythic mace wasnt a bad wek
prisma cypress
how you gonna stab someone with a mace though
crisp rover
it does have a point spike
need to make my primary stat diamond for lariat apparently big increase over a crit proc
lfr mythic dungeon and m plus slots so 3 chances at tier or trink
thorn crater
btw whats the weekly this time around?
any NA ?
do we get crit diamond or mastery diamond?
shrewd night
btw whats the weekly this time around?
Ingame calendar shows it, my guy
gusty mirage
Oh no what did I do
You smell
ruby lotus
its pet battle/arena skirmish week if i recall correctly
misty holly
Time to pwn some noobs in pet battles then!
thorn crater
Ingame calendar shows it, my guy
oh shit true. i never open calendar lol cheers
does this mean the weekly will be another hc ilvl loot?
from timewalking?
thorn fjord
Fat chance
grim jay
Its nhc from timewalking, no? 😁
silk acorn
Any 1 has a macro for applying all poisons ?
ebon notch
🙂
hollow river
Any 1 has a macro for applying all poisons ?
#showtooltip
/use [button:1] Deadly Poison
/use [button:2] Numbing Poison
Something like this should work, or iirc you can just /cast all 2/4 poisons with 1 button with multiple presses
zinc inlet
what is a good 405 dagger to craft for raid?
limber lion
what is a good 405 dagger to craft for raid?
There's only one craftable dagger
So... that one
limber lion
He might not
zinc inlet
yeah ok, i dont know much about crafting, why i asked
normal mist
You never know!
normal mist
yeah ok, i dont know much about crafting, why i asked
Check the work orders npc and search for daggers. I believe there are only 2 craftable ones, one has int, the other has agility
(purple daggers)
jade wadi
question about echoing reprimand. are we supposed to stop combo point building when we get to an animacharged combo point, or still build to full? i'm confused if its empowered if we build past it, or if it is only if we stop when we get to it.
hollow river
question about echoing reprimand. are we supposed to stop combo point building w...
It’s only if you stop on the blue point
jade wadi
It’s only if you stop on the blue point
i see. thank you!
lethal fulcrum
Anyone playing sin and sub? Do you use the same gear
grim jay
Anyone playing sin and sub? Do you use the same gear
Ring and trinket aside, so far yes. If you wanna play both you should still sim topgear on both
lethal fulcrum
Gotcha
orchid tree
Newbie here. Which is better DTB or KB for single? Not sure which route I want to go
limber lion
Newbie here. Which is better DTB or KB for single? Not sure which route I want t...
You have to sim it. It can go either way depending on your gear, trinkets and whether you have 4p 2p or none at all
chilly viper
What is a good crit% ?
limber lion
Anything from 0% to 100%