assassination

[balmy condor]

you get the point

use brain

leave me alone

[subtle tundra]

sorry babe

[strange python]

Knowing a fight will be 330 while you're in it can be tough

Random deaths n shit

[limber lion]

So when we give rotational advice, we generally base the theory behind a normal encounter where you hit the boss 24/7 without any special gizmos and thingamabobs. Raszageth as an encounter is a bit different because you most likely want to save your cds for the shields in p2 without blasting them during the first intermission on the adds, as well as holding cds between the shields to get the back up for the shields again.

[grim jay]

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

[limber lion]

So holding rules and whatnot might not be applicable everywhere and Raszageth is an example of that.

Just do the fight a couple of times and be wary of your cooldowns and you'll find the best places to use them

[strange python]

Also you get 200% more damage during the shields so you're incentivized to sync up with it for selfish reasons too

[limber lion]

Same goes for something like Kurog where he transitions every 2 minutes, so you probably don't want to splurge your deathmark on Kurog and have him go immune 2s after.

[subtle tundra]

i will splurge kurog\

[formal herald]

Thanks mate 👍 and whats the rule if you don‘t know the length of the fight or practice on the dummy? Do you holt Exsang for a minute or Deathmark/Vanish for a minute?

[strange python]

Just send on CD until you get the feel for the fight. Unless you know something specific, like an intermission, is a few seconds away

[limber lion]

Generally if you don't know the length of the fight, you can probably just sync everything.

Hold Exsang for Deathmark

[grim jay]

A fellow german I reckon

[limber lion]

It's what makes it strong, using it once between cds just feels bad.

[strange python]

Only hold deathmark for exsang on fights between 3:15 and 4:15 duration, roughly

Otherwise you're losing a cast of deathmark

Which is a big no no

[formal herald]

Thanks a lot guys!

[limber lion]

Deathmark as a CD is much more impactful than Exsanguinate will ever be

[formal herald]

Swiss but you are right 😊

[limber lion]

So it's safe to just send Deathmark on cd always if you don't know timers by heart

[strange python]

Holding exsang sorta requires a 6 minute fight

Wait I worded wrong

[limber lion]

Then there's stuff like holding cds for execute, if you're talented into Zoldyck/Blindside

[strange python]

Sending exsang requires a 6 minute fight

[grim jay]

The holt/hold stuff happens often

[limber lion]

but that's a thing of its own

[limber lion]

A 6+ minute fight, assuming you also use all cds on cd without interruption.

[strange python]

Alternatively

[formal herald]

That sounds so much complicated than Outlaw / Sub but thats interesting

[strange python]

Play sub, learn the scripted dance rotation, mash your CDs the second they come up

[strange python]

The secret is that sin has been a more complicated spec than outlaw since outlaw went Kyrian/dust, and since sub lost it's awful 4set the spec has become simple

It's slower for sure, but there's more to manage, more to be aware of, more to adapt to

[grim jay]

Kinda dont think outlaw is complicated, but who am I to judge. I just play rogue.

[steel ridge]

does shiv count as a poison application for kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

No

But it can apply poisons

Which would count

:)

[steel ridge]

since shiv is a offhand attack that
may apply a poison tick

right?

[balmy condor]

I mean it doesn’t have to be an offhand attack specifically

Any ability you cast has a chance to apply poisons

[dire lodge]

im starting to see why kingsbane is suggested

dtb kind of caca shit if u cant auto boss with high uptime like dathea

or raz

should i think of kingsbane as just an envenom buff window?

[steel ridge]

nah the value is execute

[dire lodge]

how so

[brazen zodiac]

:)

[dire lodge]

it gets buffed by zoldck?

[steel ridge]

you can pick 3 points in zoldyck

which is bigger execute

[dire lodge]

oh i see

[steel ridge]

while still having pretty much the same overall

[dire lodge]

ive looked at faq but still unsure of how i should treat kingsbane. how do u think it applies to sin's kit overall? the ability itself. seems to me after you set up your initial bleeds, ER, shiv, etc. kingsbane is used late to get a huge envenom burst window

so i should only use kingsbane if i know i can hit boss a lot in next 10-15 sec

sort of like shadow dance for sub ye?

[royal lantern]

what has KB to do with a "huge envenom burst window"

[dire lodge]

if u gotta pull away from boss during kingsbane window guessing giga dps loss

[steel ridge]

you wouldnt apply cds if you cannot stick to the boss for the next 16 seconds

[dire lodge]

it causes ur poisons to do more dmg

[steel ridge]

no

[balmy condor]

You are way over analyzing this

[royal lantern]

no???

[steel ridge]

kingsbane DOES the damage

[dire lodge]

ohhh

ya i misread that

ability is simple as fk mb

[steel ridge]

it can easily crack 1 million damage per cast in execute

[royal lantern]

+like, nera said, if you use KB and have to walk away in the next couple seconds, its a big skill issue tbh

[steel ridge]

which is giga chunker

[royal lantern]

like, just Missplayed

[dire lodge]

ill try it out, kingsbane effect seems good with my trinket too. got a heroic controlled technique from grimtotem which buffs my auto speed like crazy.

this trinket overall is so busted for rogue

has insane synergy all 3 spec

[steel ridge]

cct is very powerful

[dire lodge]

now i just need grieftorch

and gg

[steel ridge]

puzzlebox tho...

big dick burst

[dire lodge]

true i been playing some sub with puzzle box on h dathea and during platform phase i go from bottom of charts to #1 in like 5 sec

burst is insane

but ive been using storm eaters boon most of the time since they r same ilvl for me

that trinket is doomed

self stun 10 sec has me fighting for my life

[steel ridge]

yeah sub can extract massive aoe from puzzlebox

[median mango]

Idk I feel like with cloak and shadowstep if anyone can stun themselves for 10 sec it's rogue

But yes

It's cursed

[dire lodge]

mix storm eater boon with that one phial that buffs u when u stand still gg

ye storm eaters feels nicer on sub since u have 2x vanish + shadowstrike and outlaw has hook. but sin just has nothing besides one shadowstep

i straight up be inting on sin with it

need a replacement

[median mango]

I had it drop last week and got it from weekly chest right after. Was fun.

[dire lodge]

if i dont get grief torch tuesday im rerolling resto druid

[median mango]

Understandable

[dire lodge]

life could be so simple playing healer

[steel ridge]

sin has 2 steps aswell

[dire lodge]

ig if u want to talent into two steps

but having to switch talents around for a trinket

[limber lion]

"if you want to"

You literally always do

unless you only have 2p

[steel ridge]

this

[dire lodge]

i only have 2p

😎

[median mango]

I pray for your 4p, bleed sin talents feel pretty good to me

[dire lodge]

u ever popped cloak during air elemental blowback on dathea when stranded on a platform

[steel ridge]

i need to unbind shiv for kingsbane, jesus

hitting it on cooldown is hard to get out of my system

[dire lodge]

sounds like u would enjoy ttb

[balmy condor]

No because my guild is smart enough to leave me on the boss

[twilit hollow]

every boss is ST tunnel boss if ur sin

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha?

why tell an assa rogue to do its dogshit aoe

[twilit hollow]

no mechanics, no adds, only pipe

[royal lantern]

might aswell just bench them and get ANY other class

[dire lodge]

if u dont switch sub or outlaw for dathea ur lowkey a queue terrorist

well ig if u need platforms

if u can go boss gg

[royal lantern]

oh, step on lego

[dire lodge]

now if u play sin on council

u are a different breed

[balmy condor]

A what terrorist

[median mango]

I mean IC sin on council is pretty fun

[balmy condor]

Please don’t tell me you’re a pug andy

[lament warren]

i play sin on dathea and do boss damage

you cannot stop me

[balmy condor]

I bless you actually

Based

[royal lantern]

50% more boss dmg thant #2 dps feels great

[lament warren]

no bc we have a warlock who gets to stay for some reason

[median mango]

I recently had a pug for dathea that wanted me to go IC so I can aoe silence platform on dathea

[lament warren]

[median mango]

Man did that tank my damage

[royal lantern]

prob cus going up also sucks HARD for demolock

[dire lodge]

my friends are boosted our guild is 8/8n 1/8h 🫡 but to be fair for 3 of them its their first wow xpac. i have been pugging heroic vault sometimes queueing with my resto druid friend and its like the worst experience ever

[lament warren]

she’s destro..

[dire lodge]

sometimesi just be leaving the discord and the pug

if my death is bad enough

like on dathea i accidentally shadowstepped to her phat hitbox when trying to reach this evoker and just insta died

just left the pug discord

[lament warren]

when i was really young i did that in a prog guild and got gkicked

[royal lantern]

i mean, its normal/hc dude, can do w/e you want and have 0struggles

[lament warren]

bc nobody told me u had to stay in discord

peak autism moment

[dire lodge]

oh hell naw

[royal lantern]

there is a reason why a 20man druid raidteam exists lol

[dire lodge]

pugs are 2 centuries behind

[royal lantern]

only in mythic comps it starts to matter, and even there its only really for the very high end top20guys

but if you play there, you dont 1trick a spec anyway

[dire lodge]

i think u are vastly overestimating the average heroic pug

u can guarantee atleast 3 dps deaths for no real reason

1 20k dps warlock per group

[grim jay]

Actually comps in nhc and hc matter aswell if you bigbrain gear your alt with starting a group and not inviting a single other guy thats on your token.

[dire lodge]

raid leader doing bottom3 healing or bottom3 damage

[lament warren]

tried to pug heroic they couldn’t clear primal council

heroic pugs are doomed

[dire lodge]

i atleast did 4/8h in a 6 man of ppl who could play this week and pugged some randoms and was yes p easy. but once u go full pug dathea / broodkeeper / raz

it is a warzone out there

[royal lantern]

council is funny af, watching warriors and dh leap/dash trought the entire melee camp with circle

[dire lodge]

you can fish up the frog in lfr

kind of a gamer move

i thought they would disable the hornswog in that queue

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747561446539395205/1025436517193236540/mirror.gif

[grim jay]

Gamer move is fishing him up on mythic

[dire lodge]

yeah somebody send the frog loot table

what if they put manic grieftorch on it too 🤔

[marble hemlock]

Ribbit

[subtle tundra]

Fart

[dire lodge]

oh hell no

what can u sub exsang out for

with kingsbane

way too many buttons in this talent build for my rogue brain. went from like 3 to 5

[royal lantern]

eh sure

just take master assassin or shit like that instead, dunno

[dire lodge]

exsang raises by apm by 0.3 kind of a lot to ask for

see i was thinking dashing scoundrel

[jade abyss]

We are close to protoss apm

[balmy condor]

0.3 apm

1 mutilate every 3 minutes lord have mercy

[grim jay]

Sometimes it feels like most people wouldnt complain as much if it really was just a mut every 3 min

Because it isnt exsang

[jade abyss]

There is no mercy

[light pumice]

yo

whats the fastest way of farming primal chaos

[balmy condor]

Spam m+

Each level gives 1 primal

You do a +15, that’s 15 primal

[light pumice]

hmm

what ilvl do i need for m+

i only pvp so i have no IO to get invites

[royal lantern]

yes

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor Why can't I hit 2CP anymore

Multiple full ER windows without ever hitting 2 CP

[royal lantern]

34% crit?

SbS is ALWAYS a crit for me lol

[dire lodge]

@balmy condor imagine Exsanguinate is removed on tuesday. Where are you putting your 1 talent point?

[marble hemlock]

On ST its fine cuz sbs

but in m+ it sucks

[royal lantern]

i somewhat use SbS to get charged cp

but litearlly always crit wiht it

[misty holly]

Did you macro cold blood to sbs?

[royal lantern]

cold blood assa

[grim jay]

Ambush is my old trustworthy for 2cp

Even with 37% crit

It just hates me

Or loves, depending on interpretation

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JvzaG/287cf743b5.jpg

[jade abyss]

Whats your ilvl?

[grim jay]

409 is the guess

[royal lantern]

blasphemy

i embraced the 34%

(translates into "i always end up with 34% for some reason")

[marble hemlock]

407

[grim jay]

I have more vers and mastery

Bcs diurna ring and some mastery/crit instead of crit/mastery

And I always am at 36 or 37 crit for some weird reason

[jade abyss]

Okay that explains a lot ^^

[steel ridge]

always seem to forget, but kingsbane damage itself is affected by zoldyck right?

[royal lantern]

yes

[steel ridge]

does that viscous venom bug still exist, that applied more poisons?

[balmy condor]

No

[rancid nimbus]

Anybody got a wa for the shiv duration? I tryed to find/creat. nothing works for me. would like a progress bar kinda thing 🙂

[dire lodge]

ive come to a horrifying realization about sin rogue

[balmy condor]

Coming from you I think it might be even more horrifying

Let’s hear it

[green harbor]

[balmy condor]

I’m on the edge of my seat

[steel ridge]

he bailed

[nova kelp]

He was probably just going to tell whispyr how data works

[balmy condor]

It’s either 0 or 1

50/50 chance

[sterile jackal]

I got a question, is it better to run this weeks m+ with ic build or to take dtb and use deadly + wound poison?

[balmy condor]

You almost had me and then you said wound poison

Sneaky sneakyt

Trying to pull a fast one on me

[sterile jackal]

^^

[balmy condor]

Good troll though

[sterile jackal]

I was dared to write this on sin channel

[balmy condor]

A little unoriginal

But ya know

Still a good 7/10

It’s a good meme

[sterile jackal]

Thank you sir

But apparently ppl are asking if its worth taking wound poison on sanguine week...

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/krule-john-c-reilly-what-face-reaction-gif-16881707

[balmy condor]

Yeah, it’s common for idiots to ask stupid questions

[grim jay]

Just tell everyone to do their job

[balmy condor]

Like sand in the desert

Problem is idiots also are the prime demographic for not knowing things

So they’re also the prime demographic for asking stupid questions

It’s like a snake eating its own tail

[royal lantern]

the only good question there is "should i use criplling during sanguine weeks?"

[grim jay]

I like your new year style of answering questions Whispyr. Its good fun

[balmy condor]

I haven’t changed a thing

[dire lodge]

exsang sims best with kingsbane ☹️

[grim jay]

I felt like you were more passive before

[balmy condor]

Brother it took you a half hour of cooking to ping me with this?

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

he turned from Passive agressive into passive Agressive

[dire lodge]

yes, was recovering from my hand injury from the increased apm i suffered while attacking the animated duelist :/

[balmy condor]

I could’ve told you that any day in the last 3 months while in a full coma

[grim jay]

Brother flipped the switch further to A

I like it

[balmy condor]

In fact there’s probably like a pin and 3 faq paragraphs and 2 guide pages that say it too

[dire lodge]

does the sim factor in the humiliations of using exsang (unironically) after the 2 minute and 15 second cd nerf?

feel like that might lower my overall dps

[balmy condor]

I think you got bigger humiliations to worry about right now

[grim jay]

[dire lodge]

put me on the sin rogue design team

tiny toxic blade damage increased to sim higher then exsangg. spec saved.

[grim jay]

I knew smth like that was coming and you didnt disappoint

[dire lodge]

np

[balmy condor]

Brother with how long it took you to design well known info

I have my doubts how you’ll perform in that position

[nova kelp]

next patch the devs might know that some players don't like exsang

[grim jay]

Its literally whatever

3 min cd

[balmy condor]

The gameplay is shit tho

[dire lodge]

" Exsanguinate - Very divisive and misunderstood talent. Historically has been very weak" - wowhead guide. Tiny Toxic Blade - Another modifier to Shiv, cementing it as a strong rotational ability. Also makes it free. Seems the author is a fellow TTB enjoyer

[balmy condor]

Sure it’s 3 min

But like

If I told you that you have to puke every 3 minutes instead of every 45 seconds

It’s an upgrade for sure

But you should still see a doctor

[grim jay]

We should probably all see one anyways

So its whatever

[balmy condor]

I think the community is pretty 50/50 on exsang

They either like it or they don’t

[grim jay]

I dont like it but its not THAT bad

[dire lodge]

if i was puking every 45 sec it would remind me of 3 weeks ago when exsanguinate (very evil and badly designed talent) was simming 8% higher then every other option...

[grim jay]

I mean still not outlaw

[balmy condor]

I use the fact that there’s like 60 builds right now to my advantage

To avoid exsang whenever possible

[dire lodge]

Do you mind if i see your TTB build?

[balmy condor]

Amen god bless

[dire lodge]

[balmy condor]

I don’t own one of those

[dire lodge]

heres another take

who else wishes sepsis was better then bone spike

☹️

[storm onyx]

It’s quite hard without making it op if you take in to account of sbs cp economy

[nocturne current]

I hope none of them existed. They bring 0 to rogue lore and make no sense. One is a random giant necromancer spike the other one is some pixie druid disease.

[grim jay]

I like the spike

[nocturne current]

Vampire abilities in a thief for whatever lord's reason.

[grim jay]

Tho I like Kingsbane the most of all

[nocturne current]

Yeah Kingsbane's nice

[dire lodge]

yeah i agree. the necromancer spike, exsanguinate, and the pixie disease should all go. they bring nothing to sin rogue

[grim jay]

It fits the build, fits the spec and isnt awkward

[torn atlas]

A serrated bone with disease and rot? Sounds like a pretty gnarly rogue weapon honestly.

[nocturne current]

Couldn't it just be Throw Poisoned Knife instead or some enhancement to that, don't get the need of two ranged abilities.

But it is what it is..

[midnight atlas]

sbs best spell in game, i really miss the leggo, shooting 3 spikes and having 5 charges

[dire lodge]

serrated bone spike renamed to throw poisoned knife, exsanguinate removed, mutilate dagger restriction removed

i fixed the spec or what

[midnight atlas]

also its a bleed, no disease or anything

[grim jay]

What mutilate dagger restriction removed

Its an assassin

A rogue spec

Not outlul

[royal lantern]

last time i checked that more or less is all unholy dk stuff you just described there

[nocturne current]

I grew up with classic RPG's, I have a hard time seeing a thief as a spellcaster

[royal lantern]

i mean pen&papper/tabletop is as classic rpg you can get, and arcane trickster is a really popular rogue subclass if you play dnd

[grim jay]

Sub basically uses magic aswell

In some sense

[dire lodge]

ya sub literally has veiltouched

good flavor ability

[royal lantern]

tbf, ALL classes in wow use some sort of magic, rogue/warrior/hunter are just "light" magic

[midnight atlas]

yeah, if you dont want to use magic just unbind cloak of shadows and shadowstep

[dire lodge]

5% magic dmg increase from all sources including trinkets

[nocturne current]

true, tank-able even

[drifting cosmos]

hmm

[solid mica]

You cant hate exsanguinate if youre a macabre enjoyer, its illegal

[dire lodge]

this is haram

noooo danse macabre is so bad rogue is copying ww monk for 6 seconds

[nocturne current]

Wish Rogue had more apothecary/alchemist abilities, like spread venom dust (instead of the boring poison bomb) and actually be able to throw a vial of poison or a way to overload slice and dice and make attack speed even faster

[dire lodge]

vs

🤓 🤓 my bleeds are ticking twice as fast on this target! this is so epic!

[torn atlas]

Pirate does sorta have the overloaded SnD thing right?

[solid mica]

Not anything to do with monks, hit combo makes sense. Macabre is akin to the long drawn out speech villains give before they die while giving it. Just doesnt make sense

[dire lodge]

they couldnt even develop a cool icon for exsang shit is from like wow classic alpha

[trail tree]

pirate big gun pew pew :D

[dire lodge]

lets not bring outlaw players into this they are toon busy trying to fit the square in the circle hole

[solid mica]

You just played outlaw in a 15 sir

[nocturne current]

Killing Spree is a cool ability, come from the shadows, slash a dude multiple times, but I don't know why it's in pirate tree instead of Assassination (or sub)

[dire lodge]

two set pumps

[solid mica]

Yea its nice, playing all specs is bis

[nocturne current]

Honor Among Thieves, that was an ability I really, really liked.

[solid mica]

If youre not living the double/triple life what are you even doing

[dire lodge]

does feral druid copy exsanguinate?

[solid mica]

Prime RP

[royal lantern]

feral has the better exsang lol

[solid mica]

Lets get whispyr in their disc

[dire lodge]

survival hunter should be a rogue spec

if u know what i mean u get it

[rapid forum]

Fuck Honor among thief's, imagine we had even more group only buffs

[tribal mauve]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[sour grail]

not sure if this is the right place for this question, but one of my logs is red (dathea to be exact) and i am not sure why

is there a way i can see why its invalidated?

[vapid stone]

what would u say is best dtb or kingsbane carnage for m+?

[sour grail]

@vapid stone in my experience, its been kb+ic so far

[vapid stone]

okay

[sour grail]

not tried dtb since Ive got 4 sets in m+

so not sure if tiers change it

[vapid stone]

i feel like kb is a bit stronger i do have a 2 set

[sour grail]

bleeds definitely kicks in harder after 4set so spreading bleeds and ct ticks harder

[grim jay]

We already have a spec that only weird people enjoy

[sour grail]

so kb + ic is still strong

[vapid stone]

ive been spamming academy for trinket so on academy it feels good with kb

[royal lantern]

only dungeon where i go dtb is CoS

[vapid stone]

im still new to assasination rogue and feel like i need a mentor

but this discord is good tough

[royal lantern]

cus that dungeon has 0big ic pulls after the First boss

[grim jay]

@balmy condor is THE mentor

[royal lantern]

i thought he is THE catmaid?

[grim jay]

Dunno why he wouldnt be both

[sour grail]

thats reasonable choice

[sour grail]

so the reason why one of my log is invalid is because the log says i got excessive external buffs like wtf

only received PI twice the whole fight tho

[shut imp]

is there a way to proc poison bomb more often?

[limber lion]

Envenom more often idk

Just a passive effect, it's not meant to be super interesting or good

[shut imp]

@limber lion oh i see, im just struggling with AoE

[normal mist]

It does feel good to proc PB in huge packs in m+ (I've been trying out Dtb)

[shut imp]

sub is boring and outlaw is weird to me

[grim jay]

Not only to you

Outlaws are weird in general

[shut imp]

lol

[limber lion]

PB shouldn't be your go-to in AoE

[shut imp]

@limber lion i know its just so nice when it does

[polar matrix]

are the sims on flaring cowl right?

dont have the ring but flaring cowl huge gain for me over bronze grip

[grim jay]

Yes

[maiden hollow]

hello fellow rogues, this is my first tier as a rogue main and i was wondering if you guys could review a diurna kill i just did and tell me what i can improve on ? i thought i did pretty good but i'm still a bit disappointed by my parse 😦
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cwQbCqZXJHL6nWBA#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=141

[grim jay]

Except if you added something wrong to the sim

[polar matrix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xuM1pKnNMxo9uiezQbh9kd

that was the sim

[grim jay]

Seems about right

[polar matrix]

yeah pre sure is cos 418 head > 372 head

[grim jay]

Yeah thats a factor and did you sim a dagger without embellishment with the cowl?

Phone is poopoo

[rigid comet]

hi guys, since we can only equip 2 embelished items is it worth to drop the weapon for the fire helm? or do we just stick to weapon + lariat

[polar matrix]

i simmed that same dagger but removed the embelishment

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

K then its ilvl upgrade + cowl being better

[polar matrix]

yeah

time to recraft the dagger

[grim jay]

Tho you dont have the ring and you still miss a t piece

If you recraft now and get tier head you need to recraft again

I'd sim the crit/mastery head on 398 for your headslot and see if its worth the recraft or maybe just farm the head until further gear

[thorny pond]

Ideally you won’t run helm when you have option for other 4 slots

[grim jay]

Ideally that is wrong since you will use the setup that sims better for you and cowl in fact sims higher than bronzed/fang

[thorny pond]

Re read what I posted

[polar matrix]

thats a good point

i have kinda commited myself to the chest t piece this way

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/er4Xf2BEX7GKCsGikg2Rh2

thats if i get the ring

6% is kinda fat

[grim jay]

If you meant that you ideally dont run head if you dont have 4p with but without, then you are right. Otherwise I dont know what you want to point out

[thorny pond]

Yea the combo so pretty nuts

[thorny pond]

That’s the definition of the word “ideally” and “when you have access to the other 4 pieces”

[grim jay]

Considering thats not exactly what your message said... 😁

[thorny pond]

Cowl ring is going to be a bigger net gain than dagger embellishment. If it sims bad at this time to drop the 4pc then no shit don’t make the leap

[polar matrix]

yeah its still 3% for me w/o ring

but it locks me into needing the chest t piece

[thorny pond]

I’m in the same boat. Ring and cowl is close enough to tier that I was more than willing to upgrade cowl early and just fish chest later

[gusty mirage]

Just get a tier chest from your first vault dunno

Just loot the item

[grim jay]

Ye

Its so easy

[thorny pond]

I have been passed over thrice for warrior tier so far

[grim jay]

Just do it

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

You what?

[thorny pond]

I can link all the sims I want

[gusty mirage]

Your 2pc is worth the entire tier set for fury

[thorny pond]

But doesn’t matter

[gusty mirage]

Their 2+4 is like 3.5% lmao

What on earth is your guild doing

Pretty sure your MW monks get more dps than fury warriors

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-25177956

[vestal wren]

poor fury warriors ^^

[thorn fjord]

this gif lolol

[royal lantern]

didnt they somewhat fix fury set by buffing it+warriors understanding that they are shit at TC and heavy undervalued it?

[gusty mirage]

It’s so bad lmao I feel awful for them

[thorny pond]

They are fine

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s probably a combined 5% now instead of 3.5

[thorny pond]

Don’t let them guilt you

[vestal wren]

do they use it

even

[gusty mirage]

They equip higher ilvl over tier

[vestal wren]

that is what i assumed

[thorny pond]

Listen, they get two 2H weapons
They can F off

[vestal wren]

bis for them might not even play tier

XD

[thorny pond]

Execute crit is pogger bro

[royal lantern]

you know that this is a GIANT provlem for fury right?

[thorny pond]

Crit chance*

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

Another special from our fav item designer

[thorny pond]

Yea two giant ones

[royal lantern]

because 2h weapons need double the resources of 1h stuff, cus normaly you only need 1 of them

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

meanwhile fury would need 4 sparks for 2 weapons

and 4x the valor then everyone else to upgrade trought m+

[thorny pond]

Im still salty from the original battle for mount hyjal when a fury warrior got fist of molten fury over my combat rogue

[lament warren]

that’s the tax for playing fury

luckily offhand wdps for them still doesn’t matter

[thorny pond]

Single minded fury exists

Play that

[lament warren]

weird

[thorny pond]

If outlaw can do big damage with two 1H swords, why can’t they? Seems like a warrior skill issue

[royal lantern]

outlaw can do dmg cus its the rogue version of fire mage at this point

if its bad for once, buffs come

[subtle tundra]

outlaw can do big damage to their own brains

[gusty mirage]

How do you damage something already severely damaged?

[royal lantern]

How do you damage something that is entirely missing?

[thorn fjord]

😬

[grim jay]

Friend told his fury mate to fuck off as he wanted prio in tier as fury bcs he wanted to swap to arms on 4p

[thorny pond]

Didn’t know they had those

Every arms warrior went prot

Every fury warrior is still talking over everyone about how great fury is

[royal lantern]

OMG I SPAM 2 BUTTONS 2000x A MIN

[grim jay]

Fury warriors are the vegans of wow

[thorny pond]

Fury warriors are the boot wives of WoW. One guy played fury well so they all claim his rank and skill

[royal lantern]

thats the BEST description i ever saw about the 3 bigbrain specs man

[distant ridge]

how much percent dmg increase is the 2set and the 4 set

[royal lantern]

raid or m+?

[distant ridge]

m+

and raid

if poss :>

[royal lantern]

for raid its roughly 4%/4%, m+ its lmao nothing/10%iirc

[thorny pond]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorny pond]

The sheets list all the combos

[shut surge]

Guys is basic rotation for single target ambush - mutilate - rupture - spam mutilate till you can pop envenom and keep doing this till you need to reapply rupture - rinse and repeat ?

(Not including burst)

[royal lantern]

no

[shut surge]

Ok I am noob so pls explain

[royal lantern]

well, ignoring 1 out of your 2 dots is not a good idea

espacily when that dot has multiple talents that make it better when used from stealth

[thorny pond]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037333062083678268/1052026886680760380/ST-KB-rota.png?width=810&height=284

For DTB with Exsang, just ignore KB

[shut surge]

What dot ??

[thorny pond]

From #assassination-faq

[royal lantern]

garrote...?

[shut surge]

Ok cool , yeah like I said I’m a noob to rogue

Ty !

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[grim jay]

@shut surge there you go

[thorn fjord]

Y'all using Glacial or Static emp? Read somewhere Static is sim bait

[thorny pond]

Tepid Vers

[thorn fjord]

orly

[celest ruin]

use static and pay priests and evokers to move you

[thorny pond]

Cheaper, more consistent, vers is good for prog

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha

Just learned glacial... Gonna try making some gold

[thorny pond]

The others just have too many conditions to meet for progress
Maybe farm

Glacial is M+ gold tho

[glass junco]

in my server, nothing in alchemy is profitable

[eager sorrel]

Does alchemy sell anything server specific besides trinkets?

[thorn fjord]

phials and pots are still pretty taxed on mine

[craggy nimbus]

Finally some luck after getting shafted on my rogue. I got Manic Grieftorch at 411 from weekly and Controlled Current Technique at some ilvl, 398 I think. So two of the top three trinkets in one go \o/

[chilly viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[brazen nimbus]

Is PI big for assa ?

[thorny pond]

It's like 4-5% iirc

[kindred oriole]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[burnt star]

Unless ur maxed out on phial/proc from inspiration/multicraft. Its not profitable

[royal lantern]

no

rogue is a bad target for PI

[earnest imp]

Is Whispering trinket group or raid?

[royal lantern]

im 99%sure its party based

[thorny pond]

I gave a % what

[glass junco]

what

no, assa is not

[reef frigate]

I won't even try to pug these bosses, I'll stay at 5/8H for a while.

[proven timber]

!log

[reef frigate]

I have inspiration and phials maxxed, but is still better to just flip the mats. (Awakened frost was 240g friday, it's almost 500g now)

[remote plaza]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[ripe musk]

Is there ever a situation where you would use Instant Poison over Deadly Poison?

[burnt star]

Its a gamble. Its what it is. Same with sophic devotion. If u only craft a few. U most likely will lose. But when u do a tons it ends up very profiting. A guildie of mine made a fortune out of procs. But he also put like 1million gold of material into it

[neon oxide]

What spec should i play for our heroic Kurog "prog"?

[royal lantern]

it sure as hell is lol

like

[neon oxide]

Rogue is worst class for PI, prove me wrong

[royal lantern]

if you give any rogue spec pi over dk/warlock/hunter/evoker/mage, what are you even doing

[tawdry dust]

doesnt matter, it depends on the strat your comp etc, but pure st assa is fine, you only get one or two intermissions with 2 adds.

[neon oxide]

Turns out were doing Dathea first anyway and imma play outlaw for that. only heroic and our raid isnt the best

need to pull out whatever dps I can

[tawdry dust]

At our first kill i played pure st in dathea cause "enrage" was tight. It depends also on your comp, if you got a lot of aoe padder, you can stay pure st.
But the best advice is to play what you are most comfortable with, it doesnt help if you play outlaw but does x% less dmg.

[neon oxide]

Yeah I agree, I'll figure out what the best damage profile is for our comp

I definitely prefer sin

[tawdry dust]

!log

[blissful crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[stable vector]

a question - do you lose dmg if you refresh an improved garrote at 5.4 sec

[quasi ledge]

With a non-improved Garrote, yes

[stable vector]

ye for example when you do your opener and vanish garrote...so you just let that one run out then you reapply

[quasi ledge]

Yeah always let improved DoT's fall off and reapply instantly after

[short zodiac]

evan if its with an improved one?

[weak horizon]

Nah, you can pandemic with an improved one

[nocturne current]

Is there any situation where Vicious Venoms is better than Systemic Failure?

[subtle tundra]

"also varas isnt outlaw much better for this?" about kurog

sure it is buddy

[oak sky]

Its pure 2 target

And you assume that assassination is always tuned to be good at 2-3 targets, which may or may not be the case depending on the raid tier

[subtle tundra]

assa is bad at 2t

[oak sky]

That said, assassination is fine on grimtotem but outlaw is also better

[subtle tundra]

and yes its 2 target + adds

outlaw is much better on kurog

[oak sky]

Im gonna play outlaw on it

[subtle tundra]

i cant play outlaw

even if i wanted

[oak sky]

Still a few weeks off

[subtle tundra]

i have no weapons

on hc its st and occasional 2t

well

bladeflurry 60% is bs

bad design

[oak sky]

Our bleeds do piss damage

So we suck at 2t

Done

[subtle tundra]

anyways

dont have a weapon

not my problem

[solid mica]

Tbh its p much a st fight

[subtle tundra]

it literally is not

[solid mica]

Thats what matters

[subtle tundra]

and outlaw outdps's assa on prio in 2t tho

[solid mica]

Just out rupture and garrote on it and crank st

[subtle tundra]

ok buddy

but outlaw still outdps on it

[solid mica]

Sure

Veras' is OL gaming when

[subtle tundra]

never

[solid mica]

I thought you loved pirates of the carribean

[subtle tundra]

those are cool

bladeflurry is not even close to cool

[solid mica]

How come

[subtle tundra]

seems pretty obvious

[solid mica]

Whats to hate

[subtle tundra]

whats to like

[solid mica]

Doing aoe dmg

[subtle tundra]

in the most boring way imaginable

[solid mica]

And your ST is mkre interesting than most specs

[royal lantern]

tfw sub rogues rupture does what feels like 20x the dmg assassination(the dot spec) rupture does

[subtle tundra]

outlaw has only the st rotation

[solid mica]

Aoe without IC is masochistic

[subtle tundra]

seems like you havent play assa before df

[oak sky]

Bleed flurry 😴

[solid mica]

I have, playing sin in keys prior to DF was for ppl that hate themselves pretty sure

👀

[oak sky]

If the damage was high you would be raving about it

[chrome holly]

just pick up APB, with the cast time i assume you use it pre pull?

[solid mica]

I would never rave about skillshotting mouseover bleeds as my nameplates drift everywhere with 15 mobs

[gusty mirage]

before deathmark

[gusty mirage]

sounds like you have a shitty plater profile

[solid mica]

Plater is fine

[gusty mirage]

apparently not if you need to "skillshot mouseover bleeds"

also what kind of masochist uses mouseover bleeds?

[solid mica]

Are you tab targeting?

[gusty mirage]

are you not?

[oak sky]

You gotta click each target

Thats the move

[gusty mirage]

but I mean if your entire aoe rotation includes pressing one button to do damage to other targets

[solid mica]

Not if i need to garrote 3 casters from stealth

[gusty mirage]

it would make sense that you feel the need to mouseover

[oak sky]

You actually dont know how sin works 😐

[solid mica]

Trying to put up bleeds while those mobs leap around in theater of pain actually is the worst

How is that agreon

[oak sky]

Ic iron wires all the mobs man

Or are you back to old sin

[solid mica]

Im talking pre IC

I love ic

[oak sky]

Even back then man

Its a pretty low bar to click caster garrote click caster garrote click caster garrote

[subtle tundra]

i like dotting

the problem was

you dotted and dotted

and did no dmg

[gusty mirage]

but the "prio damage"

[oak sky]

I miss dotting a little

[gusty mirage]

what key levels are you doing where you don't have to reapply dots???

[neon oxide]

still no 2 set but got 408 technique + boon in 1 run

[subtle tundra]

12

[neon oxide]

kinda gaming

[oak sky]

I mean dotting frequently oxi

[gusty mirage]

you still can

just don't take IC

[oak sky]

💀

Not in the habit of doing less damage for no reason

Oh wait

Im already playing sin

[gusty mirage]

sin's damage is fine in keys

idk why people shit on it like it does zdps

[indigo epoch]

I just like the spec

Outlaw sucks. Miss me with that pirate shit

[velvet ridge]

You ever watch seli play keys, mans beating dhs and monks

[oak sky]

Its all about pull size

We give up a lot of low target damage to get big aoe

[gusty mirage]

people making it out to be like we're doing tank damage

sure we're not sub rogue

but uh

neither is outlaw

[gentle roost]

How do we get the kings and icon

[oak sky]

We do more than outlaw at high target counts

[oak sky]

Pins

[gusty mirage]

assassination also brings way more utility

and doesn't have to sacrifice survivability for damage

but I still get declined from 16s for not being outlaw

weird eh

[oak sky]

With pull sizes outlaw might be stronger overall

But sin is easily the best rogue spec for pugs because of iron wire

[brazen zodiac]

come do my 18 jade!!!

[gusty mirage]

absolutely not

I did 3 of them last night for my 20

[brazen zodiac]

outlaws allowed

hehe

[gusty mirage]

2 19s

and a 20

none of which timed

[oak sky]

Lol day 1 of the week we got 18 cos into 20 shadowmoon

[brazen zodiac]

gg

[vestal wren]

have fun

[gusty mirage]

also go to outlaw

I saw you playing outlaw in keys with minalba

traitor

[oak sky]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

IMAGINE

[oak sky]

I did

[gusty mirage]

cheating on assassination

for the lesser rogue m+ spec

[oak sky]

I need to work on it

[gusty mirage]

not even sub

[oak sky]

I want outlaw for grimtotem

A few people in my guild were bitching about me playing sin

[solid mica]

Sound like bottom fraggers to me

[gusty mirage]

lol

[oak sky]

Like

[gusty mirage]

didn't realize your guild was pushing for RWF

[oak sky]

Not for raid

[subtle tundra]

call them losers

[gusty mirage]

where what spec your rogue plays matters

[oak sky]

They dont care in raid

[gusty mirage]

????????

[oak sky]

They care about

[subtle tundra]

call them losers

[gusty mirage]

well I hope they all rerolled WW & DH

[oak sky]

What spec i play in our +18-+20 keys

[gusty mirage]

for the ultimate meta M+ comp

[oak sky]

One of them is a shadow priest player

[gusty mirage]

lmfao

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[oak sky]

And me and dekai were fucking around joking about disc being shit

And he got so pissed

Like one of our guild members is too lazy to go holy for keys and we were just messing with him

And the shadow priest guy was all aggy

[gusty mirage]

tell him he plays priest

and should have 0 opinion on what other spec people play

[oak sky]

But like yeah im playing whatever spec i want

Im playing outlaw to learn the df version for fun

Im playing sin for fun when i play it

[gusty mirage]

learn sub

its better

[oak sky]

Ill try it

I dont think ill like it as much though

[vestal wren]

how come majority plays outlaw?

[gusty mirage]

because they're dumb

and see the big boy streamers who are all one trick outlaw players playing it

so "it must be the best"

plus sub is significantly more punishing if you mess up

than outlaw

[oak sky]

Isnt sub pretty easy rn

Like judt do your sequence snd send everything on cd

[vestal wren]

depends

[oak sky]

Or are you supposed to sync to dance in aoe

[gusty mirage]

I never said it was hard

I said it was punishing

[vestal wren]

subtlety might be more complex than assassination 😉

[gusty mirage]

don't let the people in here hear you

they're too busy worrying about the 0.1% crafted gear & SUPER DUPER global optimizations

[vestal wren]

to be fair, i think thats to a degree annoying

[oak sky]

Exsang :chatting:

[vestal wren]

needing to actually care about your position to spread rupture efficiently sucks

[oak sky]

Hopefully it becomes smart rupture soon

[gusty mirage]

old CT

[oak sky]

Im gonna be honest though i did really bad damage on terros

[gusty mirage]

do gymnastics to try to get CT on everything

[oak sky]

(My gear is bricked)

[vestal wren]

how did CT behave ?

[oak sky]

When it was 8 capped

[gusty mirage]

it would pick 8 random targets

so you'd try to game it by running around lmao

[vestal wren]

oh ye the target caps

nice memes

[gusty mirage]

its 2023 and outlaw is still capped

[vestal wren]

on a target count you rarely exceed, with extended BF range

[earnest imp]

so everyone in my grp nowadays has this Whispering Incarnate Icon, is it good for assa with full stack?

[vestal wren]

unplayable

it is good

[gusty mirage]

it's good for everyone regardless of group comp

it's a high ilvl stat stick

[earnest imp]

Im referring kinda if its better then controlled destruction at same ilvl

[vestal wren]

just sim it

easiest way to find out

[earnest imp]

true, figured its hard to take into account the other ppl with trinkets

[vestal wren]

the default option assumes other players in the raid

but its easy to change

moment

dragonflight.whispering_incarnate_icon_roles=tank/heal/dps
just remove the role you want

e.g. dragonflight.whispering_incarnate_icon_roles=tank/dps

should work in custom apl (i assume seriallos did unlock dragonflight.x options)

[gloomy knoll]

Doesn’t sub do more aoe at 4+ targets or when’s it overtake it

[gusty mirage]

no idea

I'm an assassination one trick bro

[gloomy knoll]

[subtle tundra]

Much respect brotherman

[gusty mirage]

assassination viable = I play assa

[subtle tundra]

idk im playing assa on kurog

[gusty mirage]

I will be too

[subtle tundra]

real cool

[gloomy knoll]

Sin fun for raid for me I prefer sub or yarr in keys tho

Brain off fingers brrrr

[subtle tundra]

uncool opinion

but its ok

[nocturne current]

Just annoying to switch talents mid raid tho.

Shadowstep keeps bugging.

[grim tangle]

shadowstep is a crutch anyways

[oak sky]

Its not a bug if you go from 2 step to 1 for it to make you wait if thats what you mean

Shit with charges has worked like that forever

[nocturne current]

No, it just doesn't let you use it at all, the character will unlearn it, even with talent

[indigo epoch]

Anyone know, are we going to be able to convert non tier pieces to tier eventually?

[oak sky]

Interesting

[oak sky]

Yes

I think they said 6 weeks in

[indigo epoch]

Dope. I like m+ but dont raid much

[oak sky]

Inspiration catalyst

[indigo epoch]

Thanks

[oak sky]

Your vault can contain tier pieces as well

[indigo epoch]

Yeah the rng gods are brutal

[weak horizon]

My raid team is over half the same token as me

So yeah, can't wait until the catalyst releases

Supposed to be the 23rd

[grizzled moon]

what are some good WA packages for rogue?

or let me ask differently

what are the cleanest UI / WA packages for mythic raids

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

I personally use a heavily modified Afenar's weak aura package

Atrocity's UI and his weak auras are very popular, although behind a paywall

Luxthos' has the most functionality over anything else

At the end of the day, it's just preference. Find one that looks good to you and modify it to your needs

[grizzled moon]

i use infexious wa pack but lately it started to drop FPS for me

and i know it is that since if i shut it down i have no FPS issues

also want to get ride of elvui i guess

also tasks my FPS a lot i see

[trim zinc]

i use this, its jpc plater and a wa that i made based on endwyr's one

[swift gorge]

What is the best opener

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[thorn crater]

this looks great

[distant tapir]

i feel like i should be doing more dmg than i am as rouge based off my sims but i cant tell what im doing wrong

[bleak eagle]

Quick question my guild tonight wants me to pump boss dmg on mythic kurog. Is it worth still rupturing and garroting the ad that is up for energy regen and a bit of dmg on it?

[outer cairn]

Should I upgrade Lariat to 418 or Shortblade first?

[bleak eagle]

Also will this lead to more boss dmg?

[sharp zodiac]

The time you spend rupturing and garrotting the add would result in pretty minimal DPS loss

And probably help your raid as a whole

[bleak eagle]

ok thx

[slim hamlet]

Weapon gives a lot more dmg per ilvl compared to necklace

at least for me

Pretty sure that doesnt change much

[sick monolith]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[outer cairn]

right true. i guess i'm thinking farther ahead with fenryr dagger and diurna dagger

so it would get replaced

[slim hamlet]

At that point I sure hope you have enough infusion to make more

[oak sky]

You would keep the weapon until you have flaring cowl/diurna ring

[slim hamlet]

Still gonna keep the weapon after that

Just no embellish

[oak sky]

I mean

It would get replaced by diurna dagger

Pretty sure

[slim hamlet]

Yea

But how fast are you gonna get that

2nd last mythic boss

[oak sky]

Depends how fast you get the ring

[slim hamlet]

huh

how

what

Dagger rng relies on ring rng?

[oak sky]

Like you might not need it for a while if you arent early on ring prio

Everything just depends on the overall pace of your gearing

[slim hamlet]

I will prob be using my 418 weapon for quite a while even if it had no embellish is what I mean

Chance to get higher is rly low

only diurna mythic and vault

[outer cairn]

yeah I mean I was leaning towards dagger then getting lariat up to 418 after reset. need to hit 4 more 16s tonight

[slim hamlet]

That's the good thing about not having a life

Already have all 3 418

[slim drift]

So I've been playing outlaw for dungeons, and I'm starting to wonder if there's a point where I'm gonna have so much mastery from assassination gear that either assas or sub start making more sense

[dreamy elk]

When do you guys puzzle box in the opener, and post-opener?

[trim zinc]

Before dm

[strange python]

exg is used on cd or sync with deathmark?

[marble hemlock]

depends on the fight duration

you use on cd unless you can sync them without losing a use

[sonic spire]

is it better to sync puzzle box with exsang or hold it for deathmark? (ps theres no shot we hold exsang for deathmark right?

[weak horizon]

Uhm

Hmm, probably depends on fight timer and whether or not holding it to sync loses you a cast

Probably same logic as exsang

So if you're in a 6ish minute fight then you'd get 3 casts if you send it on CD but only 2 if you sync

[fading rover]

what is our best Phial?

[weak horizon]

It's on the wowhead consumables page

Or if you prefer better numbers I think whispyrs sim sheet gets into it too

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[weak horizon]

Basically glacial fury for AOE and tepid vers for ST

And dont use the toxic ones unless you're insane

[strange python]

is that the same across specs

[white orchid]

Elemental chaos is better than tepid I thought

[quiet portal]

hello guys, somewhere where I can see the rotation with exsanguinate

[oak sky]

Faqs has the opener

[quiet portal]

ty

[oak sky]

Damage is very close, but vers is more consistent and also provides defensive value so most people use it

[vapid sequoia]

at low gear levels ~375-380, how does assassination do vs. sub... I understand there are a lot of factors there, but overall does assassination need gear to really get going?

[balmy condor]

no

[dark token]

And it's 5x cheap

[full coral]

poured over pins and faq, didn't see smthn abt it but when is it ideal to send the grieftorch in opener? if I missed smthn, pls call me dumb and link it

[balmy condor]

you want to puzzle box before dm

and then grief when it comes up

if you don't have double on use, just grief before

[full coral]

yk what that makes sense, i forgot i swap for box as sin too

box before pull, send opener, grief when double on use icd is over

ok ok, ty

[balmy condor]

no

box before DM

not pull

[full coral]

wth

god my poor outlaw brain

[bleak eagle]

when we have two target cleave should i run SS for the double buffed garrote?

[balmy condor]

should be running it in single target

if you have 4 piece

[bleak eagle]

3pc

rn running ur posion dtb

[balmy condor]

then just play that

[bleak eagle]

Ok thx i wasnt sure if anything changed when we introduced a second target

[jovial adder]

whats embellishment do we put on our daggers?

[oak sky]

Fang adornments or bronzed grip wrappings

[ebon notch]

i mean if you're crafting lariat + helm then nothing

go put the food buff one on or smth

[oak sky]

Why assume people have the ring+helm?

[ebon notch]

i said

"if you're crafting"

as in planning to

[oak sky]

[ebon notch]

because otherwise they would have to recraft

and remove their embellishment off their weapon

and then craft the other items

[oak sky]

I'm gonna wait until later probably theres so many loot whores in my guild

Theyll all complain

[ebon notch]

what

[oak sky]

Ill just get it in farm idc

[ebon notch]

get what in farm

[oak sky]

The ring

[ebon notch]

whats that got to do with the helm and neck

helm is an upgrade over 421 tier head

[oak sky]

But a dagger embellish

Is an upgrade over a random offhand

Or a lower ilvl mainhand

[ebon notch]

wdym

[oak sky]

Like sure i can craft a no embellish helm

[ebon notch]

more words

[oak sky]

Thats it

[ebon notch]

i dont understand

[oak sky]

Wait

Isnt flaring cowl like

Weird in some way

[ebon notch]

in what way

agreon are you high today or smth

[oak sky]

Like crafting

Isnt it locked stats

[ebon notch]

yes

haste mastery

[pulsar coral]

do we clip envenom these days or not?

[proper tapir]

You don't need to play around envenom buff, just make sure it is up before you kingsbane (if you play that) and use it if your SnD is going to fall off (assuming you are using cut to the chase) .

And then as a dump, obviously.

[drifting cloud]

tbh very unlikely you get it, just have to vault it

[oak sky]

They arent letting me get an eggnog kill

I could ask for 1 tbh

[drifting cloud]

you kill terros yet? if yeah guild should probably rotate so everyone has 2 vault atleast

[oak sky]

Yeah we killed terros

[digital gyro]

do any of our abilities have different rate of procing poisons beside Shiv?

[balmy condor]

no

yeh true

[chilly viper]

Can saving energy at max cp make a dps increase?

For elaborate planning windows ?

[oak sky]

pooling a little bit can be a small gain but elaborate planning is pretty much a pure passive damage increase

[balmy condor]

might take you from like 90% uptime to 90.5% uptime

so

yeah, huge gains

[chilly viper]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-my-man-hd-my-man4k-gif-23532578

I need every gains I can have lmfao

[strange trail]

we use bronzed grip on weapon ?

[balmy condor]

if you have the sparks just skip it and go cowl

if you don't mind recrafting just go fang

[strange python]

is windscar whetstone a good trinket?

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

ayeeee finally a good drop thenm

[compact siren]

!neck