assassination

[regal bough]

Awesome, I need to make a weakaura that reminds me every time its reset

i found one that whispers people and thanks them for resetting it when they die, but that is not what i need lol

[ruby lotus]

ofc you need that, youre just being polite

and thanking people for assisting your dps

[copper hazel]

I need that specifically for a hunter in my guild, pls send ty

[ruby lotus]

its been posted in here like 4 times xD can pry just search for it in here

[copper hazel]

roger

[ruby lotus]

https://wago.io/o17LEZDnG

[copper hazel]

LOL ty

[torn atlas]

It's more 'all purpose', but I use something called Doom Cooldown Pulse which gives an enlarged, very brief flash of an ability icon in the middle of your screen to notify that it has come off CD. It's brief enough as to not be intrusive on your vision during a fight, but I think can also be tweaked to change size/opacity/etc to make it more, or less noticeable.

Might not be for everyone, but found it to help keep track of things you don't neccessarily want on your regular UI or WA

[jade abyss]

Haha

[magic vine]

the storm weapon you can upgrade to uh, 385 off of 1 week of seals

[royal lantern]

im using it

its bis

[naive sable]

Does anybody else feel like the 2pc for Assassination feels limp compared to Out/Sub?

[royal lantern]

iirc the assa 2set is the strongest one out of the 3?

[spice spire]

It is not

Idr sub but outlaw 2 set is stronger than ours, our 4 set is just better

[brazen zodiac]

ur just better

[spice spire]

No u

[brazen zodiac]

.... take it back!

[spice spire]

[tawdry flare]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-no-u-no-you-reverse-uno-uno-gif-22508660

[brazen zodiac]

lmao thats good

im takin that

[tawdry flare]

It's my 2nd favorite GIF

[woeful stream]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[gusty mirage]

You remember this buddy?

[spice spire]

Hard to forget

[gusty mirage]

New set up is rolling nice

[spice spire]

Very jealous but also very happy for you. Much deserved

[gusty mirage]

Got a little spooky there at the end ngl

[spice spire]

Now that you’re rolling actual stuff. You’re unstoppable buddy

How?

[gusty mirage]

PC wouldn’t make it past POST

But after a few reboots it worked

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Kept bugging out because windows was like new cpu and ram

[spice spire]

For me I just have to replace because past like 26 people raid drops to below 45 fps

[nocturne current]

Ayy, that's mini heart attack to solve.

[gusty mirage]

Raz laser would make my computer physically weep

Hoping this fixes it

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[spice spire]

Prepress that cloak buddy

[gusty mirage]

Nothing like staying up an extra 3 hours and watching the red light of doom on your mobo

[vestal wren]

2 set on sub/sin is equally shit

[spice spire]

Raz laser wasn’t too bad for me

[vestal wren]

we can agree on that

[spice spire]

Our 4p is slightly less bad

[gusty mirage]

Sub OP tho unlucky

[vestal wren]

rogue op*

didn't you hear the streamers

[gusty mirage]

The same ones still pretending outlaw is better in m+?

Can’t wait to see all the outlaw one tricks try to play sub

It’s going to be like Christmas for me

[nocturne current]

Yeah man I can only imagine the sudden wtf moment and how do I solve this now.. What's the issue even and why me. good to hear it fixed

[vestal wren]

just do hear it a lot even from higher profile streamers

so i wouldn't be surprised to see a nerf to all 3

[shut owl]

I can slam down 70k overall as sin but our resident m+ junkies whine incessantly if I don't do 30k as outlaw because I'm a terrible pirate t-t

[gusty mirage]

Pls stop nerfing assassination, all we have is ST

[shut owl]

I'm just going to steal their tank and we'll go pug forever lol.

[spice spire]

We have each other too

[royal lantern]

5%nerf to all specs, assassination gets 4 talents nerfed aswell

🙂

[shut owl]

"smoothest runs I've had all week". Yep, that's iron wire on AA

[royal lantern]

assassination is litearlly by far the least problematic rogue spec rn cus it only does good st in its raidbuild

[shut owl]

But clearly anything other than outlaw is unplayable

[gusty mirage]

Then I try to figure out why rogue gets slapped with the bat an extra 3 times and yet arcane mage goes untouched

[royal lantern]

and in m+ its not even meta lol

[gusty mirage]

Like mmkay

[vestal wren]

i mean people don't think assassination is op in m+

[gusty mirage]

Arcane mage is literally obliterating all content

[vestal wren]

so maybe thats good

[gusty mirage]

And rogue gets nerfed lmao

[vestal wren]

for me its just a possibility

[royal lantern]

yes, but when they nerf all dmg again, it takes a hit for m+ aswell

[vestal wren]

seeing what opinion resonates on streams

[gusty mirage]

I’m still waiting for the arcane aura nerf

[royal lantern]

dude

its like

[nocturne current]

You should have seen the face of my Outlaw friend who's now going for Raszega myth and just discovered has to use KB build with all assassination buttons possible.

[shut owl]

Arcane mage made my 14 cos boss die in 19 seconds

[royal lantern]

people are just WAY to slow anyway

[gusty mirage]

Should I hold my breath?

[shut owl]

Wtf am I here for lol

[royal lantern]

like, do you see the insane ST dmg BM hunter can pull?

[gusty mirage]

Nerf rogue tho btw

[royal lantern]

or the fact that demo lock is demo lock again

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

im not saying rogue is not insane rn

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

but jesus, its not the only problematic class lol

[gusty mirage]

Rogue, enhance, and mm get nerfed while arcane’s just straight chilling

[royal lantern]

people just look at shity wowhead overall dps and form opinions on that

[gusty mirage]

Like cool

Hero class of wow wins again

[shut owl]

I think the issue was that sin had a higher floor on warcraftlogs and that spooked blizz

[nocturne current]

Arcane is uncapped right?

[shut owl]

Cuz a mid arcane mage is not amazing

[royal lantern]

meanwhile people in the forum/reddit cry that rogue is ALWAYS OP META CLASS for raiding

meanwhile BfA/most of SL rogue

[shut owl]

But a shit sin like me will be okay lol

[vestal wren]

to be fair, i am not sure who gets nerfs/buffs

[gusty mirage]

Oh yeah super OP in nathria pre-9.0.5

Assassination was so good no one played it

[vestal wren]

just think people making tier lists/etc putting rogue very high and saiyng its too good

[gusty mirage]

Sub lost 90% of its player base in nathria

[royal lantern]

it was so bad, even i fully dropped assa

[vestal wren]

might lead to a change

[royal lantern]

like dude

[vestal wren]

huh

[royal lantern]

sl launch assa was so bad, holy shit

[high berry]

More Sin nerfs are coming ?

[gusty mirage]

We were all playing outlaw rogues, pink parsing and being like 7th on the meters

[vestal wren]

cn early on was outlaw ye

after sin buffs

it was almost exlusive sin

[gusty mirage]

You don’t remember them having to rework two covenants and a legendary, and aura buffing assassination by 51%?

[vestal wren]

i do

[gusty mirage]

That’s how good it was on launch

[vestal wren]

assassination was noticable undertuned

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

and devs did know it

just too afraid to buff stuff

[nocturne current]

M+ was almost unplayable

[strange python]

Can't we just be left as OP for one patch, then? Blizzard left survival and destro alone for a year in SL

[gusty mirage]

They buffed destro aura by 5% week 1 of season 3

Now that was funny

Good thing it needed it

[vestal wren]

tbh s3 was a bit of a mess

subtlety on for 2 weeks due to eon

[gusty mirage]

Meanwhile sub got hard carried by eon

[strange python]

Its tiring having rogue nerfed for being slightly ahead of the pack, but warlocks, Moonkins, hunters, mages are never touched when they're lapping everyone

[gusty mirage]

And then you had to win the lottery to do damage

Wahoooo

[vestal wren]

after that we technically did fall behind and sucessively lost to other classes

[gusty mirage]

Great gameplay blizzard lmao

[nocturne current]

Wait, you mean hunters shouldn't do 40% of DPS from one borrowed power?

[vestal wren]

assasssination was even better, but not played

but i think that was due to tier set

[gusty mirage]

Then outlaw got like 18 buffs and just did more damage than assassination and sub combined

[vestal wren]

playstyle with it was not everyones cup of tea

ye

[gusty mirage]

What a timeline

[vestal wren]

i mean outlaw just got a massive buff after that

[royal lantern]

remember how assassiantion in SL was so bad for AoE that it got the HUGE OUTRAGE FoK buff

[vestal wren]

and was op on beta and in pre patch

[gusty mirage]

Meanwhile sub rogue got a tier set everyone hated and no damage

[strange python]

If blizz comes back from the holidays and nerfs rogue I'll be so upset

[royal lantern]

and it was still bellow tank dps

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

now we have a very set tone that outlaw is the spec to play

and it is reflected on wcl

[nocturne current]

Hahah yeah!

[vestal wren]

2/3 or even 3/4 of palyers on outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Good nerf outlaw again

[vestal wren]

to be fair i think outlaw is just a good choice

it is never bad

[subtle tundra]

ner foutlaw

[royal lantern]

when they decide that outlaw is the rogue version of fire mage, aka "we always make sure that this spec is #1 for all content" im just dropping wow tbh

[vestal wren]

like both sub and sin have times they fall behind more noticably

[royal lantern]

like

FUCK DF outlaw

it plays so bad

[dire lake]

can you call outlaw even outlaw while playing with shadow dance? huge turn off tbh

[strange python]

The shadow dance is fine

[gusty mirage]

You have extra acronyms there

[royal lantern]

like dude, outlaw is so atrocius rn

[gusty mirage]

Just wanted to point that out

[royal lantern]

it litearlly ignores rogue resources

[strange python]

Outlaw is the same as before you just press ambush instead of sinister strike

[royal lantern]

and just spams 24/7

[shut owl]

It's something that's for sure

[royal lantern]

great rogue spec

[cursive geyser]

its sounds dumb to ask this but when is the correct timing to use the puzzlebox in the opener for DTB Build?

[nocturne current]

But still pumps numbers sadly

[vestal wren]

tbh

if it was not great

[shut owl]

I don't understand it at all

[gusty mirage]

Yeah because they cried when they had a few empty globals when energy got nerfed

[vestal wren]

you would see more ppl play sub/sin 😉

[royal lantern]

energy? whats energy?

combo points? you mean those red things that i can fill in 1 global?

great rogue spec

just ignores all that makes rogue rogue

🙂

[gusty mirage]

UNPLAYABLE I HAVE EMPTY GLOBALS

[ruby lotus]

dont get how a pirate is ninja themed but here we are

[strange python]

I'd like to see a patch where outlaw isn't meta and sin/sub don't get reactionary nerfs

[nocturne current]

I mean, you can do that too with FoK xD

[shut owl]

Why land finishers when I can land an ambush

[gusty mirage]

God bless, because that’ll never happen

[vestal wren]

tbh i think the raid is not super well for assassination

[strange python]

The pure ST sin build doing 5% more ST than other specs when the raid has 1 ST fight is totally fucking fine

[vestal wren]

so assassination performing as good as it is is surprising

[gusty mirage]

Never forget sub getting deleted in BFA for one boss

[nocturne current]

But the Shadow Dance outlaw is particuarlly funny and meme

[shut owl]

I got a ton of grey parses last night in sin cuz I just was on full send tunnel the boss duty XD

It was great

[strange python]

Shadow dance outlaw is entirely fine idk why that bothers people so much

[gusty mirage]

Legit one boss and they’re just like okay we delete the spec from being functional

[vestal wren]

seson 2 SL shadowlands was interessting

*season

[royal lantern]

there is a difference bettwen " assa can start to have endless energy when it does multidot and keeps it up" and outlaw "i have endless energy by default lol"

[vestal wren]

because all 3 specs did basically identical dps

and people could pick their favorite

[gusty mirage]

SoD was a good time

[nocturne current]

Codfish oil from the sea for that swashbuckling power. (or drugs)

[strange python]

Unless you roll grand melee and get no HO/ps procs

[gusty mirage]

Minus the actual shard system

That system was AWFUL

[vestal wren]

yes

[strange python]

Sod was the best raid in sl

[gusty mirage]

I would agree if KT didn’t exist

[royal lantern]

its just, if blizzard really thinks that assassination in its current state is problematic and in need of bigger ST dmg nerfs, when all it has IS st dmg, and at the same time refuses to give it any form of functional raid aoe

[gusty mirage]

That fight was terrible

[royal lantern]

im just gonna make some stupid comments in spec channels

[strange python]

People got hung up on shitty reddit narratives because they like the vampires and only did heroic

[nocturne current]

I'm just sad is how squishy Assa is compared to Outlaw. We get like what, another Shadowstep, Outlaw leech compared to ours is laughable

[royal lantern]

dude, reddit and heroic?

[gusty mirage]

KT might be the worst boss they’ve ever made tbh

[royal lantern]

the average wow player does MAYBE LfR

and not heroic lol

[strange python]

Are they nerfing again?

[nocturne current]

Plus deadened nerves and all that bullshit.

[signal kayak]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[royal lantern]

all 3 rogue specs are top tier, ofc you should expect nerfs

[thorn fjord]

Quit putting it out in the universe

[royal lantern]

its just that out of the 3 specs, assa is BY FAR the least problematic spec because it only does ST dmg

and we hope that they dont do stupid nerfs, but its blizzard and people expect stupid nerfs cus of it

[strange python]

So nerf outlaw, the cleave spec that's doing too much ST

[nocturne current]

Outlaw ST is actually impressive

[royal lantern]

cus if they just go and nerf its ST dmg hard, might aswell delete the spec and let rogue be outlaw only at this point

[strange python]

I should play warrior tbh. Mediocre at the start of an xpac and unbelievably busted by the second patch onwards

And unless something changed, never actually difficult

[gusty mirage]

It hasn’t don’t worry

[nocturne current]

Only part is that trying to do DTB for AoE is completely bonkers, ST is alright but AoE is just completely useless

[thorn fjord]

Been fishing all morning trying for coins to buy shades 😑

[strange python]

Warrior has always been a wildly simple class to play

[gusty mirage]

Gamer

[thorn fjord]

I want that damn otter

[nocturne current]

So can't really compete with Outlaw going ST with a few AoE

[gusty mirage]

Ye they got like 2 new rotational buttons so fury has to press more than 3 now

[strange python]

Fury still just button mashes, no?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah sounds like a court reporter typing lmao

[strange python]

Guess I'll learn while leveling as an alt. Good backup class for future patches

[thorn fjord]

Like a frost dk?

[nocturne current]

And Monk is also pretty busted

[strange python]

Monk is usually not great though

Warrior is the warlock of melee

[gusty mirage]

I just want to know why arcane mage went untouched

[nocturne current]

Monk AoE is insane

[royal lantern]

monk is always 50/50

[gusty mirage]

Someone give me a valid answer

[thorn fjord]

Monk scaling usually an issue

[royal lantern]

monk is either broken af, or borderline unplayable

like, they have no middleground

[royal lantern]

scaling doesnt exist, stop saying that

[thorn fjord]

Because most mages hate the spec

[strange python]

Because it's "hard" and players are bad so it's not obvious unless you're good. Casuals doing +6s complain that the outlaw did too much damage

[royal lantern]

most mages are fire brains

and cant play a spec that is not fire

[nocturne current]

Monk, DH, Arcane, Evoker, Warr Tank, that's my best MDI bet if they dont touch anything till then

[cursive geyser]

i dont want to interrupt your conversation. i have a quick simply question " its sounds dumb to ask this but when is the correct timing to use the puzzlebox in the opener for DTB Build and KB Build? "

[royal lantern]

OMG COMBUST JUMP JUMP JUMP PYRO PYRO PYRO TOPS DPS FIRE IS SO HARD IM SO GOOD

[strange python]

Before deathmark

[royal lantern]

normal fire player

[thorn fjord]

Before first DM

[cursive geyser]

ty ❤️

[thorn fjord]

So after the rupture before dm

[sudden sigil]

Seli doing the lords work as a assa rogue

[gusty mirage]

As always

[nocturne current]

I hope so yea

[gusty mirage]

Seli’s the reason I played assassination in keys

Also I think assassination is giga undervalued in keys

[nocturne current]

Yep

[thorn fjord]

Because of IW?

[sudden sigil]

Thats insane

[gusty mirage]

A good tank will appreciate the kit an assassination rogue brings

[nocturne current]

Except Court tho, I can't tune in Court properly as assa lol

[strange python]

What's a good tank

[pure moth]

Key words. Good tank

[gusty mirage]

That’s because court is awful

RP Haven

[nocturne current]

You DTB court or IC?

[gusty mirage]

Half the dungeon is RP, the boat ride over, and the spy game

Dtb

[nocturne current]

Ok thats my issue then lol

[gusty mirage]

Anyone pulling big enough to make IC worth is trolling

[nocturne current]

I was pumping absolute shit with IC

[gusty mirage]

Esp on fort weeks

[strange python]

Ic baits you before the first boss.

[gusty mirage]

Yea

[strange python]

Then it does nothing

[nocturne current]

And what you tweak for AoE with DTB, just Crimson?

[gusty mirage]

Besides that area, you got 2 imp packs where it’s huge

And kinda useless otherwise

I’d have to check, but pretty sure just added CT

[strange python]

Dtb sin seems like it'd be strong for halls

Small enough pack size that sub felt bad

[nocturne current]

Yeah ok yeah thats how I imagined but I was afraid of troll with DTB there

[gusty mirage]

The hardest parts of that dungeon trash are mostly ST and 2-3T cleave

So dtb makes sense as the play

[rancid blaze]

hyper could you link your mythic plus build?

[nocturne current]

For which dungeon?

[rancid blaze]

just an overall

so many builds it gets confusing lol

[nocturne current]

It's normal IC/KB with wire with just a few tweaks from dungeon to dungeon, but no DTB build at all

[rancid blaze]

ok

do you use exg?

[nocturne current]

Only thing I dont play is Blindsinde tho (which I know its major thing)

[nocturne current]

In Tyrannical sometimes yea

[rancid blaze]

ok

[strange python]

Wait the leather boots aren't embellished

[nocturne current]

But blindside for me is just too much buttons to press 😦 I suck on that

I think Zero also plays without blindside

[rancid blaze]

yeah alot of buttons

what do you use in place of blindside?

[nocturne current]

And it breaks the rotation also, it distracts me a lot.. In raid fine, but m+ too hard already for me

tiny toxic blade

It's nowhere optimal, but much easier for me to play

[rancid blaze]

ok

i might try that out

[nocturne current]

Until like 20 I would say no problem, after that I don't think I have enough DPS for more

[rancid blaze]

gotcha ok

[marble cedar]

What should I be turning my Spark's into?

I've got a dagger made from one

Maybe make another or?

[nocturne current]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgkIJkIUSAAAAAAAkIBECAAAAAAAhkmDUSCJJJpEIJRSERSC

[sudden sigil]

I gotta try a sin key

[ruby lotus]

If you dont have a elemental lariat id suggest that

then the third one is up to you, could be another dagger or flaring cowl or just a general piece you want to upgrade or hold onto if you want

[bitter aurora]

!logs

[nocturne current]

(sry, I have thrown precision instead of systemic failure, I got distracted when making that)

Now thinking about it.. I wish Vicious Venoms actually did a bit more than 20%..

Because taking Systemic Failure is basically almost the same but you get Flying Daggers for free..

Or that it was a Rank 1/1 for 15% or so, so I could swap between FD and VV.

[obsidian beacon]

🙋 im trying to create a weak aura and having trouble. is someone a wiz and want to help troubleshoot? xd

figured it out :smartge:

[fallow tendon]

Hoping someone can help ke with a q. With the single target raid build, when we use serated bone spike, do we just fire that off once and forget or do we use it again with 3 charges? This might be a silly question

[gusty mirage]

You make sure to not cap charges

That’s it, as long as it doesn’t hit 3 you’re gucci

[fallow tendon]

Thank you Sir

[gusty mirage]

[timber meadow]

bigg puzzle box acquisition just now

[sudden sigil]

Is puzzle huge for assa?

[gusty mirage]

Yea

Puzzle box also pushes kingsbane + exsang ahead of dtb

[sudden sigil]

dtb is just so much more fun and easier xD

So many things to monitor on KB + EX

[unkempt burrow]

Wait what? I thought you just applied and forget about it

[gusty mirage]

You for sure don’t want to cap charges

It works out to essentially “forget about it”

But you want to make sure you don’t cap any charges tbh

[unkempt burrow]

I thought it just stays on the target till it dies what do the charges matter for

[oak sky]

Its a builder

[gusty mirage]

Anytime you’re capped on things with multiple charges you’re technically losing casts

[oak sky]

Does damage

Its very low energy cost

[unkempt burrow]

Gotcha

[ebon notch]

fuggedaboutit

[spice spire]

Fotmaboutit

[toxic burrow]

Besides, anytime there's a little downtime when you can't reach the boss normally, throw a bone at that bastard to Gen a few points as you get back in range.

[unkempt burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-gif-9140683

[oak sky]

Bo'o o' wa'ah

[ebon notch]

a classic

[pure spoke]

I don't quite understand the faq on this but after your opener - how do you play deathmark/vanish? do you just deathmark then vanish garrote at 2, 4 min again? do you save 2 shivs for deathmark?

[royal lantern]

DtB or KB build

[pure spoke]

DTB

i simmed the KB build it doesn't seem that much higher for me

[timber meadow]

you don't vanish immediately after deathmark - save for when you're original garrote is in pandemic and then you can vanish/garrote to overwrite with an empowered garrote

[forest oasis]

new to sin; which abilities are used in the main rotation? it feels like many are used just as much and idk what to prioritize in my action bars lmao

[spice spire]

This is a guide angle

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[forest oasis]

is dtb best for both raid and m+ atm?

[oak sky]

Best for m+ should typically be kb/ic, for raid it can vary with gear

Dtb is also pretty close for m+ though

[forest oasis]

i guess dtb is also way simpler right?N

[ruby lotus]

yea you just spam envenom at max cp -1

and dont mess your DM uo

ezpz

[forest oasis]

alright gonna start with that then and move to kb when im comfy on sin :D ty

[timber meadow]

huh, so kb and dtb were simming almost identical earlier this week. got a puzzlebox and dtb actually pulled slightly ahead.. not what i was expecting

[spice spire]

🤨

[tacit wedge]

Hi, quick question, in M+ with the Kingsbane build, when am i supposed to channel Grieftorch? Right after applying CT on the pack?

[timber meadow]

dtb: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8QsEkjbWbG4MA9Gqe7PgEb

kingsbane: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vrdzXHuS9VqnByGV2ZQFeH

[subtle tundra]

damn

a whole 19 dps better

amen

[tacit wedge]

peak gaming

[timber meadow]

well that's besides the point lol but sure

was more just a lil surprised that kingsbane didn't gain any ground with a new puzzlebox added

[sick aspen]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[timber meadow]

oh guess the puzzlebox just needs to be leveled for any real difference - but at max valor puzzlebox kingsbane pulls like 1500 ahead

[sweet dawn]

Is it bad that I like that I have like 15 buttons as Assa?

[gloomy helm]

So I downloaded Hekili to get a really basic understanding of Assassination, and in the opener it has me empowered Garrote, but then it has me cast Garrote twice more. Is the addon just shite or is there a reason for that?

[violet jackal]

yes

[forest oasis]

im a sin noob myself, but the wowhead dtb rotation says this :D

[spice spire]

Don’t let the haters tell you otherwise

Piano sin is fine

[sweet dawn]

I love playing Guitar hero in wow

It's great

[forest oasis]

is there a way to macro that when im in stealth, ambush replaces my mutilate and the opposite?

or should i just replace mutilate with ambush completely while in stealth?

[dense cedar]

if i had to drop something for 2nd shadowstep, what would it be

[sweet dawn]

Don't you want to cast mutilate from stealth for combo points?

[forest oasis]

doesnt ambush do the exact same tho? idk

[sweet dawn]

shrugs last time I was playing the spec mutilate was the one, recently picked it up again because I got told I'm dpsing for my guild again

[spice spire]

Not anymore

[forest oasis]

yeah ive only starting reading the guide an hour ago so i might be wrong

oh

[spice spire]

That was a venthyr thing

Ambush is a good button again

[forest oasis]

so i can replace mutilate with ambush in stealth right?

[cloud pike]

Yes, but you’re still opening with Garrote from stealth

[forest oasis]

yeah gotcha

thanks 👍

[sweet dawn]

#showtooltip
/cast [stealth] Ambush; Mutilate
/cast [nostealth] Mutilate; Ambush

Should work btw, I think

[cloud pike]

You don’t need a macro, just have mut and ambush on the same keybind on your stealth vs no stealth action bar

[forest oasis]

yeah it does, tested it :)

fair enough

i was overthinking it 😄

[trim zinc]

why do u want a second step?

[pseudo hamlet]

!logs

[dense cedar]

raz prog

i main outlaw, dont really play sin much

[oak sky]

Just play bleed build

Tbh

[dawn kelp]

!gems

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[dense cedar]

for mythic raz?

[oak sky]

Not ic

[uncut dragon]

Dumb elemental lariat question-do you want 2 gems from different elemental groups in it along with your primal? does it matter for the proc?

[oak sky]

Theres a bunch of builds in the pins

Either dtb bleed with or without exsang, kb with exsang or kb with ttb

[stray mural]

What are the better M+ trinkets this time around? The temple haste trinket looks nuts

I’ll check the faq just in case

[dense cedar]

tyvm! will play around with these

[oak sky]

Puzzle box, whetstone

[stray mural]

Oh, dope

I have a whetstone but it’s 376. Nothing I can’t pump valor into later if I don’t get lucky farming a JSOM.

[oak sky]

Some of the raid trinkets are worth looking into as well

Manic grieftorch is really strong, and controlled current technique and whispering incarnate icon are strong too

[peak basin]

Noob question, am I supposed to apply enchants and buzzing runes to both main and offhand weaps?

[oak sky]

Yep

[peak basin]

When I use buzzing rune I can't select the offhand tho. Am I missing something?

[lusty surge]

So I got a storm eaters boon, and it turns out you can shadowstep while it has you immobilized

Makes it feel way safer to use on big pulls in m+

[oak sky]

You need to wait a few seconds then just click it and it applies offhand

[peak basin]

Tyvm for help!

[oak sky]

If that doesnt work and wastes a rune you need to take off your main hand and click it

[peak basin]

Kk, sounds good.

[vapid sierra]

just got cos ring

[shut owl]

H Whispering and storm boon trinkets acquired! can finally offload my turtle shell and alchemy stone lol

A good night indeed :3

[spice spire]

Storm boon

[dark token]

You can also vanish ss if ur sub

If I use this trinket sometimes I shadowstep to teammate and vanish ss back in

It looks hilarious apparently

[oak sky]

Arent you like possessed by the elemental

[dark token]

Nah you do your rota as normal

It's just a root on you

[oak sky]

Yeah ik

[dark token]

And dmg around your char

[oak sky]

But like visually

[dark token]

Yeah

[oak sky]

I bet that looks funny

Lmao

[dark token]

Ive banned myself from storm boon in nokhud

Idk what other dungeons it's banned yet

[oak sky]

Does it sim better than puzzle box in dslice

[spice spire]

Academy

[dark token]

But even tho I like the trinket it's too dangerous in nokhud

[dark token]

For sub at least yeah

I'm scared to upgrade my puzzle box

I'll be using puzzle box + storm boon combo soon

[misty holly]

Paladin trinket. Bubble Storm.

ignore all mechanics in bubble

[tall flame]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[shut owl]

Does vanish give you an extra ss or something? I'm missing the trinket gimmick here

[dark token]

On sub, vanish Shadowstrike will teleport you to your target

(and deal 50% more dam)

The trinket roota you except for teleports like shadowstep and vanish ss

[shut owl]

Ah. I keep forgetting ss is strike and not step in the lingo

I was super confused lol

[dense cedar]

Just watched echos wf kill, what's the reasoning for the sin rogue to let deathmark and kb expire then press exsanguinate?

[limber lion]

Perfecto simply forgot to press Exsanguinate before Deathmark

That's all

Pressing it during Deathmark is a massive loss, so he had to just hold it until Deathmark was done

[dense cedar]

and he was still pumping in opener?? xD

[oak sky]

Oh yeah didnt perfecto tweet about that

[limber lion]

He did yeah

[oak sky]

Think i saw that linked somewhere lmao

Its always funny when you make a rotational mistake on a prog kill

Like when i cloaked off my jailer buff in p3

[fair gyro]

How do i fit the manic trinket on the opener

[next edge]

Your mind will blow

when you realise

that not doing a PERFECT opener

doesn't matter on a 14 minutes fight

even it doesnt matter on a 5 minute fight

[dense cedar]

im not saying overall dam, im just saying his opener is way other than the other rogues

even with the mess up

[pearl fulcrum]

Is platinum star band from CoS still BiS for assass?

[next edge]

Well he's also giga geared, all max consumables

etc etc

and he's a fucking god

of a player

[pearl fulcrum]

I heard it was hotfixed or something

[limber lion]

That sentence is a bit off

Considering Platinum Star Band is not bis

Nor does it drop from Court of Stars

It drops from Academy

[pearl fulcrum]

oh fuck

[limber lion]

But the ring from Court is bis yes

Signet of Melandrus

[pearl fulcrum]

Im tripping lol

I meant the Jeweled signet of melandrus

I was simming and looking at the wrong ring

[shut owl]

Plat ring bis for ottuk mount though

[limber lion]

Yeh that's bis

[storm forum]

when is the best time to press Manic Grieftorch in the opener?

[past bobcat]

When is best time to press Deathmark in pvp? Would anyone know? I assume the same as in PVE

[next edge]

@royal lantern Exsang sims 187 more DPS than the no exsang build

Imagine if we don't kill a boss because he stays at 187 hp

[spice spire]

Real

[subtle tundra]

well its 187*(kill timer in seconds)

or well wipe timer

[oak sky]

That 1k wipe man

Brutal

[gusty mirage]

tell your pally to bubble idk

[lament warren]

exsang fun

[oak sky]

Tell your outlaw rogue to evasion

Oh wait

[limber lion]

Well if a boss fight is 9 minutes and you're losing 187 dps

It's over 100k damage

Racks up

[oak sky]

Yeah i 3 hours of sleep mathed that

That was really bad

I was thinking in damage per minute for some reason 💀

[misty holly]

My dungeon slice sim is only 300dps higher than single target... Maybe should just run that build in dungeons and single enemies down lol

Who needs crimson tempest anyways.

[balmy condor]

Not quite how that works

[timber meadow]

damn kingsbane over 75k after getting puzzlebox valor upgraded that's huge uprade

nomore dtb tho 😦

[outer cairn]

thoroughyl looking forward to farming puzzlebox after i get cos ring, if that ever happens

fuck hitting 2k

[brazen zodiac]

i feel like puzzlebox drops a lot ive gotten that shit 4 times already lmao

[gusty mirage]

bro?

HELP ME

I've ran 6 of them in the last 2 days

haven't even seen it drop

[brazen zodiac]

i mean.......

i am down to become a puzzle donator too...............

[gusty mirage]

just tell papa ion to let it drop

[vestal wren]

what is this puzzle box

[brazen zodiac]

pinhead's box

[vestal wren]

must be a myth

just like whestone in cos

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/pinhead-gif-24706138

the real trinket in action

[dim yacht]

does CB actually do anything for bleeds outside the first tick?

or does it make the entire duration of a bleed crit

[gusty mirage]

no

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t even do the first tick

It just doesn’t work on bleeds

[dim yacht]

oh

seems like CB kinda just...sucks then?

outside of pvp

[subtle tundra]

dont tell him about the m+ build

😭

[balmy condor]

Look what they did to my boy

[dim yacht]

i did see the list of other builds. im just not understanding what makes cold blood useful at all outside of pvp

[blissful crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[blissful crown]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

you cb mut and it gives cb, you cb envenom and it gives dam, you cb ct and it gives dam

[brazen zodiac]

when the cursed ic/kb sims 1k higher for u

[shut owl]

cursed for a reason

[versed rapids]

Trying to figure out where some of my dps is missing and everytime I review raidbots vs my details, I see deadly poison doing way more damage. Is there something I am maybe messing up with envenom or just not making as good of use of shiv?

[inner scroll]

Hello, gonna switch to assa for mythic from outlaw, any good rotation helper like Hekili available for Assa ? The Problem with Hekili is, that Hekili does not show ER and DM in the Rotation

[thorny pond]

Just link some logs and we can tell you

[balmy condor]

raidbots and logs combine stuff, are you comparing one to the other like dot to dot, instant to instant

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage lets run some academys together bro

[brazen zodiac]

ya im down to throw u the trinket if u need it

[dark token]

same ive had it drop 4x

traded to 3 guildies so far

[versed rapids]

Here is one of my better ST logs, but @balmy condor I think you found the issue with details splitting the dot out
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1FGb9myAMJzg7c6v#fight=26&type=damage-done&source=6

[balmy condor]

it's a common thing people forget

[versed rapids]

now to figure out the actual problem then!

[inner scroll]

any help ? ; )

Hello, gonna switch to assa for mythic from outlaw, any good rotation helper like Hekili available for Assa ? The Problem with Hekili is, that Hekili does not show ER and DM in the Rotation

[limber lion]

Samr with Poison Bomb combining with Envenom in logs

[balmy condor]

now that you spammed it twice, no

[inner scroll]

thx bro

[balmy condor]

np have a good one

[inner scroll]

same

[balmy condor]

how much you sim for

[versed rapids]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bXnfXSJFqKqgVspaj1zeAm

[still sleet]

is assa the redheaded step-child of rogues or is it competitive in high m+ as well?

[balmy condor]

????????????????????????????

[versed rapids]

that is with 4pc which I don't know if I had in that inital log though

[balmy condor]

I mean

4pc in single target is like 4%

and the log you linked is 2% above that sim

whats the issue exactly?

[versed rapids]

oh wait

that sim was not with raid buffs

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d2eJFcQkGE9qEQ6cY9PiRx

thats better for sim

[balmy condor]

bro you're getting PI's?

!log

[cold rampart]

sin is crit mastery right?

[gusty mirage]

yeah bro for sure

see you there

[livid turtle]

Can someone have a look at my sim / terros log,
I don't have 4 set but i'm hitting a 16% for my ilvl so i'm 100% doing something super wrong, but i can't see it...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p6TnDqpQUHAySsd6Duxdxf
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/B8fXvZkwb6nDMqh3/#fight=19&type=damage-done&source=9

[brazen zodiac]

wheres ur 3rd spark craft by chance? curious

[marble hemlock]

Ilvl parses are pretty useless

[ebon notch]

im waiting outside the dungeon where you at bro

[next edge]

He's in my bed give him 2 mins

[pure spoke]

is there a please help my logs section

[oak sky]

Do !logs

[pure spoke]

!logs

[stray mural]

!logs

[river bloom]

What poisons are you guys using for the KB + IC mythic + build

[dull crypt]

deadly and mind numbing, unless you need the slow from crippling

[river bloom]

in pve?

[oak sky]

Yes

[river bloom]

ah ok

[trail spruce]

Do you want to try to garrote every target or 4 of them? (DT build)

[oak sky]

As many as you can

Basically your first 3 out of stealth are free and have no cd, then the 4th puts garrote on a 6 second cd

[trail spruce]

So not on the same target tho right?

[oak sky]

Yeah

You just garrote on cd in aoe thats the general thing

[dense herald]

Buzzing or whetstone?

For weapons for assa

[oak sky]

Should be buzzing

I think a full consumable/enchant list is on wowhead

[slim hamlet]

Which rogue is unironically getting PI's

That shit wont ever happen to me

3 UH DK's and 1 demo lock

Actually never happening

[versed rapids]

sheepishly raises hand

[slim hamlet]

What did you pay them

[versed rapids]

nothing; just even doing shitty rotational things im still one of our top damage in our raid right now

after whispyrs help i should smash the charts now

[stray mural]

Must be nice

[slim hamlet]

I top dmg without PI

Not because of broken class

Trust me

[versed rapids]

its me a MM hunter or a DH for our top 3 slots

[slim hamlet]

We only have one PI

Don't even know who gets it

but 3 uh dk and 1 demo lock

So never getting it even if we had 4

[oak sky]

We have 2-4 pis depending on comp lmaoo

[dark token]

cos farming finally paid off

no ring tho

:(

[slim hamlet]

We have a singular disc priest

Just got my ring 30 mins ago

[oak sky]

Yeah we have disc holy 2 shadow

[slim hamlet]

Simming 74k now with 0 mythic bosses killed

Easy mode

[dark token]

sim hack??

[slim hamlet]

Just better

Wrong gems too

[versed rapids]

im close to that boat too @slim hamlet

[slim hamlet]

Wait

I might actually hit 75k now

With KB build

[shut owl]

I just broke 60k simmed lol, big excite; ready to hit more 0 parses cuz storm boon kills me XD

[slim hamlet]

Storm boon in single target

[shut owl]

better than turtle

[spice spire]

Skill issue

Just step buddy, it’s free

[shut owl]

100% for sure. I'm a shit rogue 😛

[spice spire]

Twinsies

[slim hamlet]

Rocking normal rasz trink + 418 puzzlebox

[shut owl]

you see... that requires good placement of enemies/allies

I've got tweaker feral kitties and roll-happy monks

so who knows where I'll end up

[spice spire]

I’m rocking 395 current technique and 395 boon. You might call me a bit of a gamer tbh

[slim hamlet]

wtb current tech

[shut owl]

dudes playing on 400+ ping on dathea, gets mark and cant hold still

just see blinking kitty bouncing around giving us doom

[limber lion]

I kinda wanna play my rogue, but there's nothing I can do other than wait for raid

[slim hamlet]

Same mostly

[limber lion]

And I don't care about m+ score and I'm not gonna farm m+ just to chance a socket

[slim hamlet]

I can get a trink from hov thats it

[shut owl]

all kitted out cev?

[slim hamlet]

Rest is ~0.2% max

[limber lion]

Unfortunately

[shut owl]

oof

[oak sky]

Time to hop on the druid

[limber lion]

Mythic raid is the only thing I can get gear from, other than Heroic Eranog ring and Grieftorch

Honestly, I think I'll just raidlog and enjoy the time off

[slim hamlet]

First world problems if ive ever seen any

[limber lion]

Don't feel pressured to play the game and fall behind anymore

[shut owl]

had that happen to me week 4 of bfda on my lock... rolled 3 titan forges on weapon and trinkets, all of a sudden had nothing to push for lol

[subtle tundra]

you dont need to feel pressured if you stopped wanting gear

(i fucking despise master looter)

please dont give me gear

i want to end prog with as low ilvl as possible

[brazen zodiac]

rip

[oak sky]

Dont you want good gear to slam m+

[subtle tundra]

maybe? i dont really care!

[woven ruin]

Wish the world content ilvl would scale more.

[eternal vortex]

why? 363 sounds good to me

[chilly viper]

Is KB "hard" to play ?

[limber lion]

Not necessarily. It just changes some rules

Like you always play double Shiv with KB and you save all Shiv's for Kingsbane windows

[chilly viper]

Exsanguinate on CD, always before/ not during DM ?

[urban mantle]

How bad is assassin for Mythic plus?

[next edge]

https://i.gyazo.com/6afcc0aa691de38b03fc47828f99cc5e.png

Finally lmao.

[shut owl]

its fine

[oak sky]

Its fine, only really struggles in low target cleave

[shut owl]

feels slightly dependent upon tank pulling patterns

but not to a make or break level

[oak sky]

We have to give up a bunch of st to get our aoe so we end up losing a lot of shit that gives us good damage at low targets to gain really solid damage at high targets

[shut owl]

feels amazing in AA XD

[urban mantle]

Do i have to spam Crimson Tempest or just when its about to end?

And spent combos with envenom

[oak sky]

Spam ct at 6t+

Always maintain it, envenom to fill below 6t

[urban mantle]

got it

[patent hare]

does assa rogue bleeds snapshot or nah

like with mastery

[proper tapir]

You should also consider reading the FAQ #assassination-faq message

[patent hare]

does it still get mastery benefit if you gain mastery after applying bleeds

like thistle tea

[proper tapir]

Yes, mastery is dynamic. Not snapshot

[patent hare]

so i can use deathmark then use thistle tea and i get full benefit from the mastery?

[proper tapir]

Sure

[patent hare]

nice

lol

[proper tapir]

And if that happens when you also need 100 energy 👌

[next edge]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[next edge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[flint pond]

anyone else's buzzing rune just go on the same weapon and gets wasted?

[oak sky]

You have to wait to apply thr 2nd one

Either that or take off the first weapon then apply the 2nd one

Ive had both of those work

[versed rapids]

give it a second before using it again

[flint pond]

ah ty. will do next time

[dull crypt]

is there any way to put embellishments on future pieces in gear compare?

[limber lion]

If you mean items like the dagger to which you choose your own embellishment, no not really. The best way to sim those is to use Top Gear, there you have all the embellishments and can sim them

If you mean stuff like Flaring Cowl or Elemental Lariat which are Embellished items, then that's fine

[dull crypt]

I was hoping to sim how much of an upgrade the 418 dagger would be compared to the 405

But suppose its not possible with embellishment

I'll use your suggestion to compare the embellishments though

[scenic crypt]

are the pages in assassination faq still what we use for raid and m+? i noticed it was posted a month ago

[dull crypt]

Theres a pin on the newer builds in this channel, if you mean the builds

[hexed root]

would you go aoe or ST for mythic eranog? WCL shows all outlaw w/ some sub. 😦

[balmy condor]

The posts get updated

[limber lion]

You can copy the weapon string and add ,ilevel=418 to the second one and then compare them in top gear

[balmy condor]

Looking at the post date for faq stuff is uh….

Silly…

To say the least

[limber lion]

Could maybe add a "Updated December 31st" or something at the bottom or top idk

[scenic crypt]

I wasn't sure, I saw it was edited but I just wanted to make sure before I jumped in raid to try them. I know the page on method was last updated awhile ago from you as well. Sorry for the silly question

[limber lion]

Oh wait!

[balmy condor]

I fucking did

[limber lion]

There's a changelog

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

That's crazyu

that's the joke

[true thorn]

I can't wait for 4PC, i feel like itll be a breakthrough in keeping up with other dps in m+

[scenic crypt]

oh i am dumb, i didnt even see the change log

[true thorn]

doing 50-60 k DPS in m15's or higher feels bad when other classes are ripping into the 70's with greater ease lol

[balmy condor]

If you’re doing 50-60 the 4pc will take you to maybe 55-65

If you’re expecting to get your 4pc and gain 25k dps it’s going to be quite a disappointment

[true thorn]

yep

gets me closer at least

the rest is gearing of course

[balmy condor]

Yeah you’ll get there

I’m closer to 80k in most keys this week

Sin is fine

Just behind outlaw

[potent rune]

@balmy condor are u running KB+IC in M+?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Dtb on tyrannical last week

[woeful socket]

is removing embellishments still bugged?

[potent rune]

I find that IC is always 5-15sec too lng cd for every pack

long*

[balmy condor]

Do a higher key

[potent rune]

i only got 13s under my belt lol

[oak sky]

Tbh it can still not line up right on higher keys too it depends on a lot of things honestly

[balmy condor]

It lines up fine tbh

Just gotta hold sometimes

But it’s kinda whatever

You have vanish for some off-timings

[potent rune]

@balmy condor If theres 5sec left on IC... do you sit in stealth and wait for it while ur party is atking that pack? cuz I do and is it wrong?

[balmy condor]

Depends on the size of the pack

Usually I don’t

[potent rune]

it just feels wrong

[balmy condor]

[raven vapor]

is it worth upgrading the puzzle box/windscar trinket or waiting for a cos ring?

[topaz bluff]

I'm still learning a bit with assassination as I mainly play sub, but I do find nelf smeld feels nice for those IC spreading moments mid combat.

[balmy condor]

Should have enough to basically do both

But ring is the better upgrade generally

[potent rune]

@balmy condor Is there a bis list combining both raid and M+ gear? I cant find it on wowhead

[balmy condor]

The eternal quote is “if you can’t find it, you don’t need to”

[potent rune]

If I cant find it, Ill go looking for it

[balmy condor]

Godspeed

Don’t troll yourself when you do find it

[potent rune]

lol

[balmy condor]

Many a rogue made dumb decisions because of bis lists

We had bis lists in 9.0 and it was a disaster

[brazen zodiac]

thats good

good quote

[cloud moat]

Whose dick I gotta suck to get a Fleet Footed flair

Strongest talent point

[ebon temple]

is there a reason my envenom is doing so much less than other rogues?

[pure skiff]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[pliant olive]

!logs

[balmy condor]

are you using amp poison

[ebon temple]

yep

[balmy condor]

idk gear diff or you're not looking at the numbers correctly

[warped hatch]

DTB any good for Vault?

[balmy condor]

it's the recommended single target build

[ebon temple]

i guess i have too much haste and vers? thought 10% ish in each wouldnt make that much of a difference

[balmy condor]

so yeah I guess it's "any good"

[drifting cosmos]

10%vers is a lot isn’t it

Thought we stack crit mast

[ebon temple]

you do for assassin afaik, but ive been playing outlaw for m+ so and i havent found a lot of replacement gear for a second set

[balmy condor]

I mean it might be the difference between like 28k envenom vs 30k envenom or whatever

depends on how much "much less" is

[ebon temple]

its like 1.2 mil less overall than another rogue

im like 5 ilvls higher :p

[drifting cosmos]

just remember the old legion days, 200+% mast give huge envenom dmg

How many casts difference

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's just kind of a number

can't really do anything with that

[ebon temple]

71 vs 67

me on 67

[balmy condor]

"1.2 mil less overall"

oh well now that you say it, it's so obvious! you're forcing finishers at 6 instead of 5 so you're overcapping cp we've cracked the case

[ebon temple]

lmao

[distant tapir]

never exang before dm right

[slim hamlet]

other way around

[balmy condor]

Always exsang before dm

[distant tapir]

so your bleeds during dm go faster and do more dmg?

[brazen zodiac]

hehe

[oak sky]

The dm copies the faster bleeds if you exsang before, but the dm bleed itself gets reduced if you use it during

Thats bad because its less total uptime on double bleeds even though your initial double bleeds still get uptime during dm

[shut owl]

I can't wait to go 4p and implode when i try and run exsang again XD

[slim hamlet]

For real

My brain shut down first time doing the opener with exsang again

[balmy condor]

or

just don't use exsang

[slim hamlet]

no lol

[peak bobcat]

That 150 dps is VITAL

[slim hamlet]

its around 1k I believe for me

But even if it was 150 dps I would take it 🙂

How else are we gonna kill lfr bosses

[peak bobcat]

With the power of friendship

[slim hamlet]

Okay Disney

[shut owl]

nah thats hasbro

[peak bobcat]

That’s what I tell my guildies who can’t dodge on mythic terros

We will win with friendship

[slim hamlet]

Dodge what

wtf is there to dodge

the big fat line

or the gigantic circle

xdd

[peak bobcat]

Dodge falling rock on move left

Hard I know

[slim hamlet]

Damn

No idea what that is

mythic?

[peak bobcat]

Yup

[slim hamlet]

Well

Cant flame if I havnt seen it yet

[peak bobcat]

“Stand on square”

[slim hamlet]

Havnt done any mythic yet because of christmas

Somehow still 4 set and 404 ilvl

[oak sky]

I played on a few pulls of heroic razageth and was like 😐

[balmy condor]

yah

no gud

[distant tapir]

no exang build opop

[oblique jackal]

Needs buffs

[tawdry flare]

I will say - the DTB build is much nicer for my small brain.

[royal lantern]

DtB is just the "normal" assassination gameplay flow that people learned to like in the last few expacs

[plain moon]

Anybody willing to do a quick log review. Trying to practice sin to play on some bosses. Biggest glaring issue I can spot is im def doing something wrong with deathmark, but im sure im making a bunch of other mistakes

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KHjFd6zM43xYyXmr/#fight=23&type=damage-done

[agile talon]

Does this look normal? First Mythic+ as Assassin. I was iLvl 361 using KB/IC.

[royal lantern]

yeha? seems allright?

bleeds/fok are the majority of your aoe dmg, so they will naturaly be your main dmg sources for dungeons

[small meteor]

Would it be frowned upon if I asked for a 'log review' and posted a picture of my poop?

[balmy condor]

isn't that what a log review usually is

[last aurora]

just curious, do others roll with M+ build in COS or more single target?

[balmy condor]

I don't think I've heard of anyone taking a single target build

[timber meadow]

I assume we just sync puzzle box with every exanguinate ?

[dim yacht]

im looking at some weirder off meta builds to play around with shit. does anyone know if nightstalker interacts with subterfuge, or if it might just be straight bugged? when running just nightstalker, the stealth buff says it increases damage by 8%, but when running nightstalker and subterfuge, the tooltip doesnt mention this at all. damage on tooltips doesnt change even with just nightstalker.

i realised after a key nightstalker is definitely useless on its own because its only going to apply to a single garrote, will it apply to all three if running subterfuge?

or am i just taking the fattest L ever by even thinking about using it

[balmy condor]

nightstalker does nothing to dots

[dim yacht]

oof

okay so its basically a completely useless talent

[balmy condor]

correct

[dim yacht]

yikes

[balmy condor]

it sims equal to any utility point

[dim yacht]

thats just sad

[balmy condor]

that's also why improved ambush sucks

cause the talent on its own isn't actually that bad

but it's locked behind 2 points of nothing

[dim yacht]

do you think improved ambush would be any better if it affected mut too?

[balmy condor]

imp ambush is fine

[dim yacht]

or maybe nightstalker just needs to work on bleeds lol

[balmy condor]

no buffs needed

nightstalker just needs to get the fuck out of the way

[dim yacht]

big sadge

[balmy condor]

imp ambush is a 3 point talent

so for what it gives, yeah it needs a buff

or

[dim yacht]

maybe i just suck, but im suffering from too many stuff to keybind on the recommended builds

[balmy condor]

even with DTB?

dtb is like the same amount of buttons as last expac

[dim yacht]

yeah, the issue is me and modifiers dont work well

im using 1-5, qefghxcv

and middle mouse button

[balmy condor]

vend is deathmark, you still got shiv, flag replaced with er

only thing you really gained is tea

[dim yacht]

i just dont know what other keybinds i can easily use

thats my main issue

i got to 2500, but im still getting my ass kicked by 5k+ dps plus by most classes

[timber meadow]

damn we're garrote gaming boys

[balmy condor]

that's assassination

[dim yacht]

man, that 3% aura nerf hurt honestly

like for ST okay

but completely unnecessary for it to be an aura nerf

in m+ im basically running an extra lethality instead of ER, but it leaves with me one completely useless point

with the only options for any damage being CB or ER

was hoping nightstalker would be my answer lol

clearly its not

[balmy condor]

just run CB and macro it into CT

and take the L I guess

[blissful crown]

Why cant i chose between the diff. fights anymore in raidbots?

Have they changed something?

Or did i just sim to much that i have to pay monthly now?

[balmy condor]

honestly I have no idea what you're talking about

[lament warren]

click this button

[blissful crown]

'

[drifting cosmos]

Whispyr, what happened to IC + KB build in keys? I thought youre a firm believer of it in keys?

[dim yacht]

thats not bad advice, thanks

[balmy condor]

wdym what happened to it

[true thorn]

@balmy condor you have any videos/guides that show the best way to maximize dps in an m plus ?

[balmy condor]

I do not

I'm a shitter

[north basin]

guys what import thingy for talents is for? in faq section

[balmy condor]

are you asking why there's an import

or what build to import

[dim yacht]

idk about video and guides, but the top 2 sin rogues both have a stream

[north basin]

where do i use import string

[dim yacht]

one is in top 20 worldwide IO

[north basin]

its for simc?

[balmy condor]

in game, the talent window has an import

[north basin]

ohh ty

so it switches to preffered build instantly ye?

[balmy condor]

I don't get the question

you can import talent builds

and save them