assassination

[limber lion]

Kurog down, nice

[dark token]

having 2 makes a big diff

[balmy condor]

I think dtb is more chill

[dark token]

just starting

[thorny pond]

blessed papa gratz

[thorn fjord]

stepsis asks for help with the laundry 😉

[limber lion]

33 pulls I think

not too bad

[thorny pond]

DTB you can sit down with a nice glass of red and enjoy your evening

KB you gotta take an Adderall and focus

[thorn fjord]

Nah if i drink during raid i start saying inappropriate things in disc

[thorny pond]

Mute self

or slow down

[thorn fjord]

I'm Cuban man aint no Muting myself 🤣

[thorny pond]

Joey Diaz-esque?

[thorn fjord]

More like Desi Arnaz off screen

[thorny pond]

I also like a nice Cognac with my brandy

[thorn fjord]

A man of taste

[ebon notch]

@burnt latch

that feels so good

[thorn fjord]

You're maining Mage now? @ebon notch

[ebon notch]

nah im on rogue

i wanted to play assa

but im in outlaw prison till razs

[thorn fjord]

Sick

Did you play sin on Kurog?

[limber lion]

He was Outlaw

[dark token]

@ebon notch do i go outlaw with 402 weap or stay sin lmao

[limber lion]

I played Sin

[dark token]

or maybe sub

[strange onyx]

why outlaw prison? 👀

[dark token]

first sub rogue world

[limber lion]

Sub is awful

[dark token]

yeah i imagine

[limber lion]

It's perma 2T pretty much

And Sub is the worst on 2T by far

[thorn fjord]

Unfortunately

[ebon notch]

idk you can

[dark token]

did you go bleed dtb @limber lion

[ebon notch]

its a skill issue more than anything

im still rusty

[limber lion]

Ya

[ebon notch]

im playing like shit

[limber lion]

I just simmed patchwork, cleave add and 2t

[dark token]

kingsbane sims a lil higher for me but on 2t i think dtb is the play

[ebon notch]

my gear is unoptimised also

[limber lion]

and Bleed DTB won everytime

[ebon notch]

but all excuses

[thorn fjord]

most of ours is... My OL gear is at 42% Mastery and like 19% haste lol

[ebon notch]

yeah similar to mine

hahaha

[thorn fjord]

It'll get better... Atleast you have 4p... We didnt have a single orb drop for War/Rogue/Evoker/Monk on heroic Tuesday so im stuck with 3p rn

Progging council tonight but should get it down... got it to like 29% on tues after like 5 pulls

[rough lodge]

do i double stack sophic devotion? someone in guild is saying i should use two different enchants

[thorn fjord]

Think thats the general play

But its spensive

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2goUND85RnQuH5FhPZySSU idk if this is enough to make me go law https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/39xAdGet3m8hsErNYQAqBF

[thorn fjord]

Why 2t pw?

[balmy condor]

Kurog on mythic

Is 2 target

[thorn fjord]

Ah ok gotcha

My lazy smoll brain ass gonna just run OL on that fight lol

atleast on prog

[limber lion]

The Outlaw helps a lot in intermission with the small adds running around and in earth phase with the earth adds running around

But they are low priority

But someone has to kill them and Outlaw just does it automatically

Outlaw is definitely the better spec for sure

[dark token]

ye

i actually enjoy HO so i will prob do it

im just sad to sophic devotion a 402 weap

💀

[thorn fjord]

We still out here using R3 Writs

theyre still SUPER expensive on hyjal

[shut owl]

big mood

[dark token]

[shut owl]

decided to say screw it an learn enchanting. same price

[dark token]

my bank will never recover from this

[thorn fjord]

Our enchanter is gonna try making me some r2 devotions sometime this week

[shut owl]

i can do r2 sophic devos atm

[spice spire]

I’m never gonna financially recover from this

[thorn fjord]

How much are the titan orbs on your server? @shut owl

[spice spire]

[shut owl]

I'm on hyjal ya bum

[thorn fjord]

oh damn wassup tho 👀

[shut owl]

I went to the storm at tyrhold today and didnt see a single titan orb between the like 3 groups farming

[thorn fjord]

Theyre like 8k right now

[spice spire]

Bro why are so many people on hyjal

I came from hyjal and it was dead

[shut owl]

it used to be a bumpin server

[viscid spear]

Brother get me two Resonant Crystals and I can make a R2 Sophic Dev

[shut owl]

like, no streamer crowds but decent pop

[thorn fjord]

We transfered to Hyjal US from Frostwolf US back during EP

[shut owl]

now its very dead

[viscid spear]

[thorn fjord]

Its not super dead... we still have some decent guilds Raiding rn

[spice spire]

God bless

[shut owl]

dieslow if you want some sophics crafted I'll pop em with my insight and see what happens 😛

[leaden meadow]

Might sound a bit dumb, but amplifying poison and deadly poison, right?

[spice spire]

Not dumb very smart

[thorn fjord]

Dm me

[spice spire]

Correct

[leaden meadow]

Thanks

[royal lantern]

yes

you always use deadly cus its better in all ways than instant

and when you skill amplyfing, you ofc skill it to actually use it

[leaden meadow]

Yeah, just wanted to make sure it wasn't like "take this talent for the sake of getting the next row"

[royal lantern]

then we would take the 100%passive talent next to it instead

😛

[leaden meadow]

Tru tru

[dark token]

does feint allow rogue to soak every magma pool

doesnt feel like feint worked

[limber lion]

No, you soak it with Cloak

We had rogue 1, mage 2, rogue 3, pala bubble 4

[dark token]

ye thats what i thought

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn fjord]

Think if i open a ticket Blizz would reverse an item enchantment i fucked up on?

Used it on the wrong item

[balmy condor]

highly doubt it

[dark token]

just be like jdotb and ego them on twitter

[thorn fjord]

lol i actually saw that

[dark token]

https://twitter.com/jdotb/status/1608150815277043714

jb (@jdotb)

yo @BlizzardCS

I accidentally craft ordered the agi dagger (primal molten shortblade) instead of the int dagger (primal molten spellblade) bc the two weapons have virtually identical names and are right next to each other on the list

any chance to get that reversed?

Likes

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Twitter · Dec 28, 2022, 5:20 PM

[thorn fjord]

Thats a big RIP

[dark token]

he fucked up

deal with it instead of egoing

smh

[thorn fjord]

i put a sophic devo 2 on my sin OH but was meant for my sin MH/ OL OH

oh well

[royal lantern]

the daggers have

different icons

names

primal chaos costs

[thorn fjord]

Yeah he fucked up big

[royal lantern]

[thorn fjord]

My fuck up wasnt as bad

[royal lantern]

like, thats a bigger fuck up

[balmy condor]

I can't tell if I like jb because he's funny

or hate him because he's constantly trying an asshole

[thorn fjord]

Humor goes a long way lol

[balmy condor]

the jdotbald

[outer cairn]

beginning to think cos ring doesn't exist in my world

[royal lantern]

just have a resto druid

they drop them like crazy

[thorn fjord]

CoS ring is no longer BiS for my toon 😦 even at 415

[outer cairn]

bruh. the resto druid on my team got one

[royal lantern]

a resto druid trade me his ring

[outer cairn]

actually had a resto druid in the last group i was in. he got nothing

[limber lion]

How many are you in?

How many have you slammed

[outer cairn]

honestly this is the first time i've actually farmed for it. i don't know how many i've done at this point

[thorn fjord]

Just stop caring about it and it’ll stop

[outer cairn]

lol

right

[thorn fjord]

Drop*

[limber lion]

What ever the number is

It's too low

[final star]

just get it

[limber lion]

GO AND FARM IT

[final star]

lol

[limber lion]

ENOUGH EXCUSES

JUST GET IT

[gusty mirage]

my god

[thorn fjord]

I got it second attempt @limber lion ❤️

[limber lion]

:) happy for you

[outer cairn]

gross

[gusty mirage]

cev if my puzzle box doesn't drop this dungeon

[outer cairn]

even our resto druid got it

[gusty mirage]

I'm DONE

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

I DON'T FUCKING WANT IT

[outer cairn]

like me and another dk are the only ones who don't fucking have it

[limber lion]

It was nice knowing ya, happy new years!

[tacit pebble]

my first 2 vault picks have been non court rings, no shot im doing any more farming this season

[gusty mirage]

this comp is cursed af

we have a boomkin

[spice spire]

Legion PTSD

[thorn fjord]

Funny how puzzle box dropped both weeks during m0 and now it’s elusive af

[limber lion]

I just wanted one mega upgrade this week but didn't get any. No heroic/mythic Eranog ring, no Grieftorch

[outer cairn]

yeah and THEN i neeed to go get a bigger puzzle box. I traded a 372 fragment for a 372 puzzle box

[limber lion]

:(

[gusty mirage]

heroic grieftorch dropped and they waited until I went to use the bathroom to roll on it

😠

[thorn fjord]

I was really hoping for torch this week too

[limber lion]

Sus

[thorn fjord]

Super rude

[outer cairn]

got the damn raztrinkeet

[limber lion]

We just have RCLC

[outer cairn]

at leeast a 411

[limber lion]

No rollerinos

[tacit pebble]

our guild has dropped 1 normal 0 heroic torches so far killing every week

[gusty mirage]

oh we did RCLC

[limber lion]

[thorn fjord]

Are you not on the council?

[limber lion]

Same, useless dogshit trinket

:D

[thorn fjord]

Or are you on the council but haven’t been given the rank of master

[outer cairn]

yep

[spice spire]

I’m on the council

[thorn fjord]

My man’s @gusty mirage gonna annihilate some younglings

[spice spire]

Warlocks getting no gear, so weird

[brazen zodiac]

dude

this warlock needed on the tier piece when he had m+ tier vault drop

gets chest piece and goes "ima spend my valor else where now cool"

[leaden meadow]

I got that fire ring in my weekly quest thing today, is it worth crafting the helm and taking something different from my vault? (my vault has a set helm, but I can take one of the other items if I craft this)

[brazen zodiac]

then just dips the raid LMFAO

[winter moss]

is this a normal dmg breakdown?

[vale abyss]

I have a question. People talk about getting no Damage on the last Boss in COS as Rogue. I know you can doge Slicing Maelstrom with Evasion but after, I just die instantly on higher keys 17+. Need help

[thorn fjord]

Dying to the aoe?

[vale abyss]

yes even avoiding the copies

[balmy condor]

for what situation

[winter moss]

terros progression

[balmy condor]

envenom seems really really low

[weak plover]

Stand max melee

[strange python]

Hey guys, is Assassination viable for both aoe+st??

[thorn fjord]

Feint and try to get away from the boss a bit… can pop vial or a potion too to keep you alive

[strange python]

Rogue has been a trip for me coming frmo Fury Warrior lol..

[thorn fjord]

But aside from that it’s a lot on your healer

[balmy condor]

depending on what viable means to you, yes

[shut owl]

yeah, if you're using defensives and standing with the heals you shouldnt be the problem there

[winter moss]

thought so too

[balmy condor]

it can do 20's and 22's and it's a top spec in raids

[shut owl]

sin is great on that last boss, cuz your dots keep rolling even if folks are huddling for heals

[strange python]

I'm not after #1 dps but Outlaw hasn't been very fun so far

[balmy condor]

then yeah

sin is fine

[thorn fjord]

You fine @balmy condor 😉

[vale abyss]

Okay thank you, will try next time. I popped feint and crimson every go and for safe survival Evasion. maybe i played it poorly

[thorn fjord]

It can be rough on the healer

[runic basin]

Do u guys craft the food embellishment on dagger?

[thorn fjord]

I went with bronzed wrappings on mine

[balmy condor]

no, we would prefer to do more damage

[runic basin]

After crafting head + neck

[winter moss]

!log

[woeful wigeon]

inky black potion you see ability's way smoother same as in jade 3 boss its verry clean to seen then may help you out

[limber lion]

Yeah looks really good

[vale abyss]

thank you

[limber lion]

Grieftorch havers

[thorn fjord]

Shit is HUGE

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

I mean if you have head+neck, you have 2 embellishes

[winter moss]

it was prog ok

[balmy condor]

so

if you get a third, you have to drop 1 of them

[limber lion]

Nah go off, just jealous

[strange python]

Oh my god I just checked the specs on the Pinned Messages and wtf lol

There are like 15 builds oon it

[limber lion]

I was hoping for Eggnog ring or Grieftorch, didn't get either

[shut owl]

the food embellish isn't one of the unique slots iirc?

[balmy condor]

idk

all I know is that it's 0 dps

so I don't care

[shut owl]

tru

[runic basin]

I dont have the ring yet but i guess i will craft head tomorrow and recraft dagger. Its a huge ilvl upgrade and dagger embellishment is 0.8%~?

[restive inlet]

So the bronzed grip wrappings embellishment. I've heard people saying it overly procs healing. That's just wrong rght? looking at sims it's definitely better than my current fang adornement, but I just want to be 100%

[balmy condor]

it's rng

sometimes it's better

sometimes it's worse

fang is very consistent, doesn't even crit

[restive inlet]

hmm. Maybe I'll just stick to the fang. I like consistency

[strange python]

Are you guys liking DTB or KB more?

[restive inlet]

DTB enjoyer here

[distant mesa]

Both

[remote heath]

depends on the fight for me

[distant mesa]

But if you made me pick one KB

[remote heath]

i find kingsbane enjoyable to play with on raszageth for example cause its just up for every shield

its very nice

[wheat temple]

what is the recommended haste for pvp?

[thorn fjord]

check #pvp

[wheat temple]

oh

thank you!

[balmy condor]

degenerate stat questions belong in #pvp where they can feelcraft away

[austere fjord]

Hello fellow rogue players, I rerolled to rogue a week ago because of raiding reasons in guild and picked assassination as my spec. Ive been learning the spec and having a lot of fun but have reached a point where I dont really understeand how I can improve despite having really bad logs. So I came here hoping some experienced players would be nice enough to take a look and help a fellow new rogue out! Thanks in advance for any help.

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

we have a !logs command to get a review (depending on people's availability to do so)

[austere fjord]

!logs

[neon oxide]

full 8/8 normal and 4/8hc tonight - not a single rogue tier piece

existence is pain

[thorn fjord]

Happened to us on Tues @neon oxide

No Rogue tier

The warriors were pissed lol

[gusty mirage]

nah

what a shitty day inwow

[thorn fjord]

Happens man

[gusty mirage]

no puzzle box

can't hit the inspo on my helm

[thorn fjord]

Only means tomorrow will be better

[gusty mirage]

415 havin ass

[slim hamlet]

Yummy

[neon oxide]

We got 3 pieces of DH/DK/Warlock, we dont have a warlock and we have 1 DK and DH who both already have

[gusty mirage]

I win

[slim hamlet]

Fuck

Actually

[thorn fjord]

Tuesday was Hunter druid pieces all night... felt bad

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure puzzle sims higher for me

[thorn fjord]

But we have 5 hunters right now on and off bench LOL

[neon oxide]

Still not got 2pc

just give it to me

[gusty mirage]

than a 421 icon?

[slim hamlet]

Simming 72.5k now

[gusty mirage]

puzzle box + icon yea maybe

but puzzle box > icon? no shot

[slim hamlet]

I dont know how to check those 2 against each other

[gusty mirage]

you shouldn't

you should check both against the other trinkets

and they just shit on every other trinket

except grieftorch

[slim hamlet]

cba, already doing 3 different sims right now

Not getting the mythic council trinket any time soon anyways

Got my eyes on kurog

[royal lantern]

getting 2-3 extra grieftorch casts cus people die is bis

[slim hamlet]

Hasnt dropped for us yet tho

[thorn fjord]

You using the WA?

[royal lantern]

ofc

[thorn fjord]

My man 🤣

[royal lantern]

funfact: the WA whispers yourself when you die

[thorn fjord]

lol

[gusty mirage]

wouldn't know

[shut owl]

you do count for it

[gusty mirage]

bro I don't even want to use the puzzle box

I fucking hate that piece of shit

I just want out of DTB prison

and puzzle box is my only route

[royal lantern]

sim told me to use puzzle+torch and im like

fuck no

[slim hamlet]

Same

I waited

Hoped to not have to take it

[royal lantern]

i just use current tech torch

[slim hamlet]

But it was just too big of an upgrade

[subtle tundra]

i have it and havent used it today at all on mythic

protest

[gusty mirage]

current doesn't do anything

[royal lantern]

varas, we all know you are special

[limber lion]

Wtf

[thorn fjord]

Varas just loves to enrage people LOL

[slim hamlet]

Actually reportable

Pretty sure

[limber lion]

I just want the Eranog ring reeeeeeeeee

I can wait until mythic Broodkeeper for Grieftorch, but give me the ring reeeee

[slim hamlet]

Imagine not being able to choose between double tier, eranog ring and puzzle box in vault

Couldnt be me

[limber lion]

I didn't even have a choice in my vault

It was a shiny socket

[slim hamlet]

I didnt really either it was always gonna be puzzle box

[limber lion]

[slim hamlet]

Just waited and hoped to get somethign else

Because fuck it

While torch is also channel atleast it is just "use it" instead of timing it and shit

My sub m+ situation with trinkets are cursed

Boon storm thingy and puzzle box

Cant move half the key

[shut owl]

that sounds very cursed lol

[slim hamlet]

It is

Before I had boon and cos trink

Always 2 active

At least that was 2 and 3 min

[dark token]

Same

Our arcane mage got it last week

Now he doesn't even use it

Scammed

[normal pewter]

I checked out the assassination WAs but not sure which one i wanna go with. I know its usually personal preference, but is there a consensus one most people here use? im currently trying Publik's but its kind of ugly haha

[slim hamlet]

Skill issue

[slim hamlet]

I dont use any

[normal pewter]

MY peripherals are now shit tier lol i need everything to be right there where all my attention is

[limber lion]

I use Afenar's because I like the look of the icons, but I've heavily modified mine to my needs

[slim hamlet]

I just made a wa group that shows when cd's are about to come up

[limber lion]

I would recommend finding one that looks good to you and just modifying it

[slim hamlet]

And ofc snd, blindside and so wa

[limber lion]

I didn't like a lot of things that Afenar did, so I just changed them

[slim hamlet]

All I need baby

[limber lion]

But the icons look good so I use it

[normal pewter]

yeah so far imo the best looking rogue WA ive seen is Fuu's Subtletly oen

one*

[old lotus]

Does Iron Wire work on bosses?

[runic hinge]

I use luxthos. Which works pretty well for me

[idle coyote]

Afenar was easiest for me to customize I just made combo points bigger

[slim hamlet]

I highly doubt

That would be insta pick if so

[balmy condor]

it works on things that can be silenced

so that does not include bosses, most big adds, and some random shit in shadowmoon for some reason

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[slim hamlet]

The old dungs

has so many non silencable

[normal pewter]

also, this is probably a stupid question, but in the last opener in the faq (the M+ DTB) that triple silence is on different targets? or is this the opener for a boss?

triple garrote*

[balmy condor]

the m+ openers are for aoe

[stray mural]

i may have made my lariat incorrectly

is it possible to recraft with different stats

[balmy condor]

yeah just put a different missive in when you recraft

[stray mural]

oh thank god

[normal pewter]

got it, just making sure

[stray mural]

i also used a rank 2 diamond because the crafter told me its cheaper and my guildmates are saying i should have used a 3

i had both but went with the 2

[balmy condor]

did it hit rank 5?

[stray mural]

no sadly

its 402

[balmy condor]

probably wouldn't have changed it

[ember saffron]

How to opener burst works please (raid)

[stray mural]

i messed up my gems too and went crit haste because i didnt read the faq first 💀

[balmy condor]

read the faq, or any guide

[open rapids]

Does puzzle box snapshot bleeds on AOE with IC? Trying to figure best time to use it in M+

[restive sparrow]

I dont think there is a "snapshot" with mastery

[open rapids]

Didn’t think so either but wanted to double check. I know they removed most of it from the game

[stray mural]

so i should change this all to mastery

[balmy condor]

probably doesn't matter

[stray mural]

then i wont bother until i can make it 41X

limited gold

[eternal vortex]

does lariat have a prio over weapons for recrafting?

[restive sparrow]

Just use the box with IC

[gusty mirage]

ye don't waste gold swapping secondaries

[limber lion]

If your crafted weapon is your highest ilvl weapon, you probs want to pump that up to 418 asap

[outer cairn]

Ok my number of CoS runs isn’t as high as I thought but I haven’t even seen it drop for someone else.

[limber lion]

took me 71 runs during timewalking

:P

[brazen zodiac]

f

[weak horizon]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[eternal vortex]

thank you

[gusty mirage]

took me about 48

good times

[oblique tangle]

Once again I would like to remind peopel that if yout hink you're having bad luck with the Heroic mythic cache

[limber lion]

Yeh only took me 23 this time around

[oblique tangle]

It could always be worse.

[limber lion]

Easy game

[gusty mirage]

I'd take that ring over my cobalt assembly ring

[limber lion]

What do you mean? That ring is insane

[subtle tundra]

hmm

[gusty mirage]

I got a vers mastery belt

that I vendored

[subtle tundra]

i got grieftorch

[limber lion]

Maybe I'm not getting the joke or something

[gusty mirage]

and this man madge about a good ring

[subtle tundra]

but im not using it

[oblique tangle]

The joke is that Rogues don't do fire damage and it's not Diurna :c

[limber lion]

Imagine getting an upgrade from the cache lol

[subtle tundra]

im 404 ilvl

[oblique tangle]

Imagine you luck out with getting a very rare drop right but then it turn sout it's a defensive ring

[subtle tundra]

basically any hc item is an upgrade

[limber lion]

You do with Flaring Cowl, also you don't need the proc

The stats on the ring are insane

The mythic version sims higher than the Court of Stars ring

[eternal vortex]

flat 900 mastery lol

[oblique tangle]

Yeah if I have cowl then I can definitely protect myself

[neon oxide]

I was 397 when I opened the cache, still managed to not be an upgrade 🙂

[oblique tangle]

Don't get me wrong

it isn't a bad ring

[limber lion]

No, it's literally bis

:D

so yeah it's not

[oblique tangle]

is it bis tho

[limber lion]

Yes

That + Diurna

[agile geode]

Ceverion were you playing in method years ago or im wrong?

[limber lion]

I was yeah

[agile geode]

Cool

[drifting cloud]

is years ago last year

[oblique tangle]

It's an extra disaster too because I just slotted the M+ Val'kyr ring I got lmfao

[high nacelle]

I got the fire ring from weekly, but then today completed my 4 set (already had helm). probably a long wait to make the switch to cowl and the tier piece I need

[oblique tangle]

oh well whatever

Blizzard should buff Exsanguinate

[limber lion]

Enjoy it while it lasts

Who knows maybe we don't have Exsanguinate anymore in 10.1

That's what Realz was hinting towards with the blue post

Removal or remake

[oblique tangle]

Remake would be fine

Remove would make me sad

[agile geode]

Nah It Just Need a rework, something for the modern version of wow

[scarlet nova]

@oblique tangle that ring + the fire damage proc missive I think is pretty legit

[oblique tangle]

The other ring, ye.

[limber lion]

That ring is even better than Eranog for you

because you don't have Flaring Cowl

You wouldn't even wear the Eranog ring if you got it because you need Flaring Cowl for it to work

the stats on that ring are terrible

But the stats on that ring are insanely good

[oblique tangle]

What if I told you... I did have flaring cowl

[limber lion]

Well then it's good

But yeh the shield ring is really good. High item level and good stats

Probably falls a bit in value if you play puzzle box

[steel sorrel]

May I ask the reasoning? Too much mastery?

[limber lion]

Correct.

The mythic version gives like 900 mastery

[balmy condor]

shout outs to @wild lantern for helping me get the triple digit dub

[limber lion]

But you probs want Grieftorch and Technique anyways

[limber lion]

Big dick.

[steel sorrel]

Mm, I end up on alittle more than 100% mastery with ring and box

I have both atm

[marble hemlock]

details name approved

[wild lantern]

why are you the way that you are, and why did I know deep in my soul what this would be once I saw the ping in sin

[neon oxide]

What dungie? Yoda is in a RLP 23 atm doing 111k overall as sub so that looks like a huge blast run

[balmy condor]

18 academy

but like

sub damage is incomprehensibly higher

so

[neon oxide]

Nice, I did I think it was 84k in a 17 academy earlier

[balmy condor]

fuck that noise

[neon oxide]

Yeah but sub is all just shriken/black powder spam

[balmy condor]

yes

[neon oxide]

zzz

[balmy condor]

and they do like 20-25% more damage weith it

for no reason

[swift dagger]

U throw some Ruptures in too

[balmy condor]

other than L sin

[swift dagger]

🙂

[balmy condor]

they spread ruptures better than we do

what a dumb fucking spec

[swift dagger]

The true bleed spec

[neon oxide]

Yeah why do they get cleave rupture

[halcyon arch]

Where in opener do I cast grieftorch-trinket?

Before or after DM?

[neon oxide]

check FAQ and look for "channeled trinkets"

in the openers

[idle coyote]

[halcyon arch]

Oh its updated

[idle coyote]

[neon oxide]

it's been in there for the whole xpac I think

[swift dagger]

God im bored my guild is taking a literal 6 day break from raiding what am i supposed to do after getting weekly m+ done. fk the holidays smh fr no cap

[neon oxide]

I want 10.0.5

so I can turn M+ loot into tier

[quartz echo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[halcyon arch]

Not sure if i'm blind but can't find anything about channeling trinkets in FAQ

[ionic fox]

Anyone else hate that Tauren is top race for rogue? They so ugly

[neon oxide]

read the 1 note

[halcyon arch]

Ty! Should be the same even if u dont play KB i guess

[neon oxide]

just look at the FAQ for the other talent builds

it's there

huh it actually isnt

[halcyon arch]

Yeah

Had to read them again hehe

[neon oxide]

Just use outside the opener if playing DTB

i guess

[balmy condor]

it's all the same

just don't be stupid and cast grief during dm

use brain

new catchphrase

it's really making waves

[balmy condor]

no because I could not care less what the best race is

[brazen zodiac]

use 🧠

[runic hinge]

The best race is the one your mog looks best on.

Fashioncraft

True end game

[slim hamlet]

best race is highmountain

change my mind

[runic hinge]

If it doesn’t spin or flip it can’t be in contention for me

[lament warren]

being ugly is -1k dps minimum

quit in season 3 bc i made my dk dwarf for necrotic and couldn’t stand her anymore

[spice spire]

Female dwarves are goats.
Quakewar is very offended rn

[lament warren]

draenei are goats

[swift dagger]

made all my characters blood elves cuz arcane torrent was op

[marble hemlock]

how do you consistently have bad takes like this?

[swift dagger]

could be worse race tho

[lament warren]

do not go night elf tank if you’re used to pressing arcane torrent 🙏

shadowmeld gone wrong

[spice spire]

Idk how are you always angry at my objectively correct opinions and fat cock?

🤨

I don’t even think that’s kosher

[marble hemlock]

im not angry

im disappointed

[spice spire]

[lament warren]

at least necrotic is gone so when i go back to tank i can play a real race

kul tiran male bdk

[marble hemlock]

i thought you had a refined palate and impeccable taste. but then you go and say things like what you just said

[empty bronze]

What does the term 'Pandemic' mean? it is jus that the DoT is about to expire?

[echo geyser]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[spice spire]

Fuck

[echo geyser]

too slow quaker

[empty bronze]

Ty everyone

[spice spire]

Brother I’m on mobile

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

I can only text so quickly

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/hannibal-buress-right-booing-gif-13861878

[echo geyser]

its fine

[marble hemlock]

dont feel sorry for him ram

the man thinks female dwarves are great

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

Not just great, goated

[chilly viper]

Phial for ST?

[gusty breach]

brother, seen a video with you pumping so hard as pirate, its actually disgusting

[echo geyser]

whos recording me

[gusty breach]

i'm too old for pirate, but i cant not want to be as alpha

[gusty breach]

some method lock guy

[echo geyser]

stove?

oh sjele

[gusty breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T3VYwOoYio&t=388s&ab_channel=Sjeletyven

[echo geyser]

this was like 10 ilvls ago almost

[gusty breach]

ye, this is week 1

but video released 2 days ago

[echo geyser]

i see

[gusty breach]

you got a youtube or somethin?

[echo geyser]

only twitch streaming

[gusty breach]

seeing those numbers, make me sadge as a dps player

[echo geyser]

it usually goes live in #rogue-streamers

[gusty breach]

i'm happy with my 50k , and then i see this

[echo geyser]

well if u wanna go even further beyond

sub does like 150k in academy

[gusty breach]

my guildie did 89k as sub

i did like 60k

mm did like 70k

[balmy condor]

I just did 105k, same numbers right

assa is fine

[spice spire]

Society man

[echo geyser]

yeah sin is stronge

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

until you compare to other rogue specs

[echo geyser]

is varas is playing sin its fine

when he swaps

then u know its bad

(did he swap yet?)

[marble hemlock]

Assa is slamming

Stop hating

[echo geyser]

no hate

outlaw also weak

vs sub

[balmy condor]

varas will do nothing but complain about assa and play it anyway

[marble hemlock]

You're too nice to hate

[echo geyser]

truer

[marble hemlock]

But whispyr is halfway through this villain arc

Man will come out the other end and kill the Batman within a day

[balmy condor]

bro

it's insane

how assassination is the single target king

and it's like

equal to 4 specs on single target

and then sub gets to cleave rupture

and crush it on 3+ targets

[marble hemlock]

[echo geyser]

why is sub rupture doing 30% dmg

[balmy condor]

sub is legit only bad on 2 targets

[echo geyser]

actual better bleeds than sin

no cap

[balmy condor]

yes

its easier to spread ruptures with

[lament warren]

it’s a curse not a bleed it does shadow damage !

[balmy condor]

and its got stronger aoe even without it

I don't fucking get it

who let this happen

[echo geyser]

i think sin just will always be harder to play + less dmg

[slim hamlet]

So you're telling us to reroll whispyr?

[balmy condor]

if you want to do more damage for less effort

yes

reroll sub

[slim hamlet]

[lament warren]

blizzard doesn’t like strong dots so it’s kinda abnormal tbh

[marble hemlock]

At least you don't wanna cut your hands off with a wooden spoon after playing assa aoe for 30 minutes

[echo geyser]

[marble hemlock]

Sub AOE gameplay is like taking the carpool lane on the road of self mutilation

[spice spire]

Big sub has gotten whispyr too

[lament warren]

after legion every dot kinda got giga nerfed with the exception of now sub rupture and for some reason survival serpent sting

which after talent changes idk it does damage anymore but mm takes it

[echo geyser]

cold blood sec tech also does 1mil dps

[balmy condor]

I don't get why it's so difficult

[slim hamlet]

well not dps

But dmg yes

[meager granite]

Takes same skill as pressing blade furry in a sense

[balmy condor]

to just make difficult specs

do big damage

[slim hamlet]

Sub in m+ is actually fun while in dance

[balmy condor]

you have ele shaman aoe

it's legit 2 button

[slim hamlet]

Outside of dance it's resident sleeper

[balmy condor]

chain lightning earthquake

big dam lmao

[echo geyser]

i still argue sub aoe isnt like doing outlaw st with blade flurry but idk

im outlaw main so my opinion might be biased

[slim hamlet]

Outlaw is omega snore

[balmy condor]

assassination has to balance 3 finishers and a dichotomy of single target cooldowns vs aoe damage

tracking multi-dots on multiple targets

and it doesn't even come close

[echo geyser]

we can agree that sin is hardest in aoe

[balmy condor]

it's legit

so fucking hard to play well

and even when you do

it's like

[echo geyser]

need good nameplates and WAs

[slim hamlet]

Give shuriken storms cp gen to sin ples

[balmy condor]

"meh, guess it's okay, it ain't as good as outlaw dunno"

fucking one button

turn on aoe

unreal

[slim hamlet]

Instead of this only 1cp + crits

[echo geyser]

u still think outlaw is easier than sub aoe?

storm bp

[kind walrus]

What phials do people play with and why?

[balmy condor]

it's not easier than sub

but it is easier than sin

[echo geyser]

indeed

[lament warren]

sub is piano spec

[slim hamlet]

I believe outlaw is easier aoe than sub

[balmy condor]

vers or ele chaos because they sim the highest out of all the flasks with no downside

[echo geyser]

one rupture every 30sec that spreads to multiple targets

[echo geyser]

have u played sub?

[oak sky]

none of them are very hard in aoe anymore

[slim hamlet]

Outlaw is legit just st, sub at least has different stuff in sd

[lament warren]

one different finisher

[slim hamlet]

Yeah they're both easy but outlaw is nothing

[kind walrus]

Assume Chaos in more ST then Vers in more AoE, kurog, spoder etc? i would guess

[echo geyser]

i can literally close my eyes and play sub in aoe

[meager granite]

The issue with outlaw, is just that 1 talent (bladefurry) makes the spec do bazillion dmg in aoe, while sin has to spec into aoe dmg thus losing ST

[balmy condor]

still the same

[lament warren]

that’s not an issue with outlaw

it’s an issue with every spec that isn’t allowed to do both well

[balmy condor]

reminder that exsanguinate during legion beta was legit just replicating shadows and they sacked it

[echo geyser]

[kind walrus]

Ait thanks sir!

[slim hamlet]

That looks fun

[balmy condor]

3 expansions

I have waited

for blood sweat

and then fucking sub gets it

[slim hamlet]

All you got was tears

[balmy condor]

I am actually irate

[slim hamlet]

You get it

[echo geyser]

[slim hamlet]

blood sweat and tears

ahah

🙂

[meager granite]

you got IC instead

rejoice

🙂

[echo geyser]

sin broken with aoe silence right

[balmy condor]

yeah for sure

aoe silence overcomes a 30% dps loss

[slim hamlet]

-20k dps tho

[lament warren]

sin meta for nokhud

sheesh

[echo geyser]

value

[meager granite]

Sin is the spec for which vanish is the most meaningful, yet the only one who does not have charges, or cd reduction mecanism on it

[echo geyser]

buff sin and outlaw

[meager granite]

that logic is beyond me

[balmy condor]

idk if vanish is the most valuable on sin

I think outlaws vanish might still be better

[slim hamlet]

It def is no?

[meager granite]

you need imp gar dmg in m+

[slim hamlet]

oh yeah with subter

But improved garrote + iron wire must be better

[meager granite]

sub is meaningless tbf

[lament warren]

outlaw vanish can be used to negate mechanics

[meager granite]

and for outlaw its just a CTO casino

[twilit lagoon]

How so?

[lament warren]

arcane lockdown in cos

you have vanish for almost every one with good rng

[balmy condor]

you say this but it's been proven like 50 times over the last 2 expansions that it's simply not that important

[slim hamlet]

Vanish can be used like that with every, but outlaw just has it for every cast

[lament warren]

that’s what i’m saying

[balmy condor]

it's obviously a dps gain

[lament warren]

you’re griefing doing that as sin

[balmy condor]

but restealths/vanish

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

[lament warren]

and it’s not even allowed

[echo geyser]

vanish is also a dps increase as outlaw

[lament warren]

cuz no cdr

[balmy condor]

just aren't as important as you want them to be

[slim hamlet]

And sub even has double vanish for stuff like hov and nokhud

maybe cos worth it too

[lament warren]

ya you can vanish last boss nokhud pog

[echo geyser]

CTO or Subterfuge

[lament warren]

it’s always worth it to negate a mechanic that ticks 30% of your hp

[slim hamlet]

I liked sin a lot in keys, then I tried sub and no way I can go back to sin

[meager granite]

well must be a coincidence dmg plumets when tanks are linking packs

[slim hamlet]

Also that

Pugging as sin is the worst thing ever

[balmy condor]

it is

[slim hamlet]

Tanks cant understand improved garr and iron wire

[balmy condor]

skill issue

idk

[meager granite]

ofc i yell at my tanks when premade and they stop doing it, then dmg goes up again

[slim hamlet]

Meanwhile all sub loses for not being in stealth is 10 sec snd

[balmy condor]

this is my breakdown on 3 aoe packs chained together from a key earlier today

[echo geyser]

CT gaming

[balmy condor]

now you tell me how much it would've mattered

to get a restealth

for 3 measly garrotes

[slim hamlet]

7% 🙂

[meager granite]

Yeah, what is the time in combat?

[slim hamlet]

• iron wire

[balmy condor]

that's the worst fucking math I've seen in this channel

you should actually just be ashamed

[meager granite]

the longer you are in combat, the less imp gar will matter

[balmy condor]

the total time was 3:30 minutes

[echo geyser]

man lets all just swap to mushroom game instead of playing sin

[lament warren]

iron wire carries here

[slim hamlet]

50% is number so 50% 🙂

I see 50% I do 50%

[lament warren]

what dungeon

[balmy condor]

no, I refuse to let people say dumb misinformation for no reason other than "me dam look gudder when I do a stealth"

[frigid aurora]

qq. buzzing rune of whetstone?

[echo geyser]

[balmy condor]

if you don't have anything to back up your nonsense claim

don't fucking say it

[slim hamlet]

Well surely iron wire + the small dmg bonus is worht waiting 2 sec

[limber lion]

GUYS IT'S OFFICIAL, PUZZLE BOX IS BIS HAVE FUN FARMING IT. DOUBLE ON-USE CHANNELED TRINKETS LMAO

[echo geyser]

u could try to sim it, but fwiw, whetstone stacks up to 200 instead of 20 for buzzer runes

[slim hamlet]

Fuck me

[balmy condor]

if you want to say dumb things, go to #outlaw with the rest of the meat heads

[echo geyser]

unless they fixed it

[slim hamlet]

I dont dare

[echo geyser]

[slim hamlet]

Only went there to get my role icon thingy

[echo geyser]

why does that spec attract so many meat heads

[slim hamlet]

Because

[echo geyser]

i only want true gambling addicts

[slim hamlet]

Blade flurry now me st and now me do big dam 🙂

[meager granite]

press whats shiny on the screen

[twilit hollow]

why would i wanna go to outlaw, i might have to read outlaw one trick takes there

[subtle iron]

Is it possible to have dragon tempered blades and indiscriminate carnage talented both at the same time? or is it only kingslayers + IC?

[lament warren]

noticed that when every log above me was puzzle box or grieftorch

[balmy condor]

you run out of points

[echo geyser]

i did get a puzzle box

405

[subtle iron]

sda

[lament warren]

at least it’s an easy farm

aa is fu

[slim hamlet]

Good timing to get 418 puzzle box in vaul tho

[lament warren]

fun

[echo geyser]

whats the 2nd channel trinket

grieftorch?

[limber lion]

Grieftorch yes

[echo geyser]

i got both then

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3GRnwjo7KTXQHJtzEB71Sh

[slim hamlet]

[limber lion]

Feast your eyes on this

We're back to 90k boys

[slim hamlet]

what in the fuck

[limber lion]

Court ring also beats the Diurna ring with this build

[echo geyser]

big juicer

[limber lion]

AND WE PLAY CTTC

[balmy condor]

(with most builds)

[limber lion]

Yeh

[slim hamlet]

Are you telling me

[limber lion]

Literally the perfect build

[slim hamlet]

You are over the guys doing split runs for 3 days straight

[limber lion]

except for the double-channel trinkets

[slim hamlet]

by 5 ilvls

[balmy condor]

that's a bis profile hun

[slim hamlet]

Oh

[limber lion]

Yeah, no one in the game has those items

[echo geyser]

[slim hamlet]

🙂

[balmy condor]

and never will probably

[limber lion]

Ye

[slim hamlet]

Watch me

Give me 2 days

[limber lion]

That's why BIS profiles are super dumb

[lament warren]

i might have to step in

[limber lion]

because they all rely on vault m+ items

You will never ever get court ring, puzzle box, cape, belt and boots from vault

[slim hamlet]

Just simply get them

[balmy condor]

just get all 5 mythic+ items in your vault at max ilvl

and then full clear mythic

and get all those

also get all the socketed items with a sockett

[lament warren]

seems reasonable

give me 8 weeks

[balmy condor]

just have a 421 signet in your +20 vault with a socket

easy

[lament warren]

doesn't need to proc a socket if the season goes on long enough

[balmy condor]

I guess

but if you got vaults like that

you're never taking tokens

[limber lion]

BUT WHISPYR wtf!!! my sims are saying that my Mythic Current Technique is better than my 402 puzzle box

BUT PUZZLE BOX IS BIS???

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/747561446539395205/1056231879289876560/attachment.gif

[lament warren]

i'm halfway there

it Does have a socket

[limber lion]

LMAO

[winter gale]

Buzzing for all content?

[balmy condor]

yes

[winter gale]

❤️

[slim hamlet]

How did you get my screenshot

wtf

[limber lion]

Remember the golden days when we didn't share bis sims

[echo geyser]

other rogue in guild has the cos 421 already

sin main

[limber lion]

And now we have fucking spreadsheets with 128 different builds all with different talents and items

[slim hamlet]

I mean

It's only this disc doing that

From what I've seen

[winter gale]

Got my 4set today

[slim hamlet]

You guys gaming compared to all other classes

[balmy condor]

I'm a firm believer that we give people TOO much information

[limber lion]

100%

[balmy condor]

no one needs half the shit we do

[weak crescent]

NO PLEASE KEEP GIVING US INFO

[grim tangle]

I want more information

[slim hamlet]

Don't remember which class, but one of them didnt have anything in faq until week 2

[winter gale]

I now need to obtain 5th piece/shoulders and Diurna’s Ring to craft a Helm.. do I then need to drop Lariat or Dagger?

[slim hamlet]

Meanwhile 22 billion sims in 1 hour here

[limber lion]

As long as I don't have to listen to any more stat breakpoint/DR conversations, I'm happy

That shit is the only thing that completely destroys me

I lose my mind

[balmy condor]

if you can argue why you need to know something very particular, then sure

[slim hamlet]

So at which point do we go haste over mastery?

[lament warren]

what if i just want to know

[limber lion]

Find the info yourself

[slim hamlet]

At what % do we stop taking crit

[balmy condor]

then you're wasting my time on a curiosity and frankly my time is more valuable than that

[slim hamlet]

Do we want a specific amount of vers

[limber lion]

Actually, on that note, we'll be deleting all faq's, guides and pins

[lament warren]

[limber lion]

Go find your own information

[lament warren]

but the info already exists

[slim hamlet]

Is armor better than stam

[limber lion]

[lament warren]

you already wasted your own time

[balmy condor]

says who

do you think I just know everything

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[balmy condor]

without running numbers

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[lament warren]

this implies that "too much" is given

then that too much exists already

if it's too much then it is a curiosity by default

[balmy condor]

too much is given because we spend time finding it for dipshits like you

[slim hamlet]

[lament warren]

i won't even read it

it's not for me

😔

[slim hamlet]

I will

Constantly checking every channel for new pins

I have a problem

[winter gale]

Every time I came here since DF came out there are some tensions 😂

[balmy condor]

and like, for every new finding, there's already 10 failed attempts at a new finding

@limber lion knows the feel

[weak isle]

Whispyr is legit losing his shit

[slim hamlet]

Lol

[weak isle]

😦

[slim hamlet]

Wiping in sims

get fuckd

[balmy condor]

like whatever time you think theorycrafters spend finding gains

triple it

[slim hamlet]

I thought it was 22 hours of the day

[balmy condor]

our sims are so fucking optimized it's not even funny

[slim hamlet]

Thats a lot of time a day

[winter gale]

Is your raidbots for free or do you pay? 😂

[balmy condor]

I pay

[winter gale]

Shit

[limber lion]

I wanted to fix this implementation. I found a 0.01% gain and ran like 20 sims trying to make it even a 0.2%. Couldn't.

[balmy condor]

there is legit nothing in this world that rogues don't have at their finger tips

[limber lion]

I hate DTB because it's just send city

doesn't care about anything

fuck it, send it

[twilit hollow]

fuck it, slam it, we ball

[balmy condor]

my brother in christ you created this monster

[weak crescent]

Fair, i find it hard, it is indeed nice to know everything, but you guys pay for that with your time. anyway really big thank you for doing what you are doing, you, fuu and guy are legends

[slim hamlet]

At what % do we stop taking crit

[balmy condor]

we had to play around deathmark very specifically before it duped current bleeds

that's what set us on the path of everything on cooldown, exsang before dm

all of this could've been avoided

[twilit hollow]

@balmy condor at what % haste do i guarantee an extra tick of energy in a 6.5 minute fight during a full moon while i listen to studio ghibli piano lofi

[dull crypt]

34

[slim hamlet]

Making me able to click envenom one more time?

I want to know dont know about everyone else

[slim hamlet]

That's a lot of haste

[limber lion]

Hey now, it's just single shiv stuff

[slim hamlet]

First try today with new builds

2x SS crisp

[winter gale]

Ill try bleed DTB on sunday

[slim hamlet]

Even tho it basically never matters

[winter gale]

It sims 0.4% better than ‘older’ DTB…

[limber lion]

I fixed it. Literally +20 dps, but at least it looks pretty

[slim hamlet]

Mine simmed a lot higher

like 1.2% and KB 1.5%

[magic vine]

puzzle box usage is just pre-pull and "not during deathmark" right?

[limber lion]

Nonono

You never use it pre-pull

[slim hamlet]

Before dm/exsang right?

[limber lion]

We don't use any trinkets or potions pre-pull