assassination

[gusty mirage]

did it to mine when I imported from armory lmao

puzzle box seems to push KB ahead of DtB

[fleet imp]

Your guess would be trinket

Cuz tbh I was suprised to see dbt exang being upgrade and KB on top

Gonna play around trinkets than! Thx for the input

[gusty mirage]

puzzle box lines up with exsang

at least that's my feelcraft answer

[fleet imp]

This is what I was looking for, gonna work on it! Fast guess 😂

[balmy condor]

Idk what thoughts I’m supposed to have, that’s just a normal ass kb setup

[fleet imp]

Some adjustments on the standard DTB and exang made a small nice dps gain, was wondering why, might be trinket

[steady wraith]

So I have question regarding assassination in PvP, assuming it's allowed here. I'm running dragon tempered blades and am running wound poisons for the first, i'm just trying to figure out the best option for the second lethal poison is in PvP.

[fleet imp]

#pvp :) probably better

[balmy condor]

Yeh

We aren’t pvp nerds

[empty hinge]

ur dagger is ilvl 444 btw

[thorny aurora]

!logs

[empty hinge]

🤝

[balmy condor]

That’s just a tooltip error for some reason

[empty hinge]

oh

[balmy condor]

Happened with the bis sims all the time

418 dagger went to 450

For 0 reason

Something stupid with embellishment bonus id I think maybe

No clue

[fleet imp]

Yep litetally imported from the sim and that happened

Ngl I wish it was 444 😂

[brazen zodiac]

omg omg u got the removed embellishment?!? ur so lucky omw how much does it sim for omg !!!

[pastel onyx]

[supple snow]

Hey people

[normal mist]

Hey

[supple snow]

For top 3 crafts, should I do dagger neck head, or double dagger and neck ? ( I do have normal raid Ring )

[normal mist]

Afaik if you wanna go ring + head combo, besides the dagger and the neck, the yeah head piece then

[supple snow]

Already have 1 dagger and neck. Just wanna see what’s the neck play

[normal mist]

I can't recall if going double dagger is a good choice since you would lose either head or neck

[fleet imp]

Question on the head piece... does it start to burn only during combat? Or can put you in combat

Haven't checked

[normal mist]

Neck is bis afaik, but again, I'm not the most reliable source of good information

It's early, let's bother @balmy condor

[fleet imp]

[supple snow]

What have you done for crafts.? 😅

[normal mist]

Neck + 1 dagger

Still got a spark left

[fleet imp]

I did dagger 1st than neck and now head

[supple snow]

Waiting on third then

[normal mist]

I don't have the ring and I already have headpiece tier so I might pass on the head/ring combo entirely

[supple snow]

I wanna craft my third today, looking to see which ones BiS

[fleet imp]

Lucky enough got the 4p on non head piece

So that slot is free

[normal mist]

Now that's luck

3 weeks and rogue tier refuses to drop to my raid group

[supple snow]

Same same

0 tier pieces

[fleet imp]

Got 2hc in vault and 2 hc from guild

[supple snow]

o.O

[fleet imp]

Really cant complain

[normal mist]

I got chest normal from raid and head from vault m+

[fleet imp]

Now missing ring

[supple snow]

It’s so bad even guildies started to feel bad for me.

[normal mist]

Yesterday all I needed was a shoulder drop and I'd get the gloves from vault

And would be 4/4

[fleet imp]

Ripo

[normal mist]

But ofc

Fuck rogues and their loot

[fleet imp]

Can we remove embellishment from crafted gear?

[normal mist]

Yes

Idk how, but you can

[fleet imp]

[supple snow]

What is the point of removing them?

[normal mist]

Easy

[fleet imp]

You can only have 2

[normal mist]

^

[fleet imp]

Neck and head

Gotta dump dagger

[normal mist]

But you can have all the gear be crafted with sparks

If without emb

[fleet imp]

A bit too much imo

Guess you cant store sparks for alts right?

[normal mist]

You can

[fleet imp]

Still time gated

Or i pop a fresh 70 and have 3 spark?

[normal mist]

Yes

[fleet imp]

[normal mist]

Got 2 already on non lvl 70 alts

[fleet imp]

A bit too free

[supple snow]

I did not know that. Yikes

[fleet imp]

My monk gonna love it tho

[normal mist]

[olive linden]

Any1 has good plater UI import?

[supple snow]

Interestingly enough I thought with 4 piece bleed build would pull ahead by a lot. But no

[supple snow]

I use Ceverion’s

Gives you a good base

Only made a 1-2 changes and I’m very happy

[celest ruin]

just noticed why are there so many log reviews

[brazen nimbus]

Worth spamming CoS for the AA ring ?

[balmy condor]

It’s bis, so if that’s worth for you then yeah

[brazen nimbus]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[brazen nimbus]

ty

so its also worth upgrading it to 415 asap ? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Ye

[brazen nimbus]

Anything else we should focus on upgrading as a prio?

[balmy condor]

Uh whetstone I guess

Maybe horn or hunger

[brazen nimbus]

got maniac + whispering from HC atm, still worth?

[wind dune]

For m+ if I don't take exsang would the opener still be the same for single target? since I wouldn't need to refresh bleeds for exsang burst

[brazen nimbus]

Or where can i find the updated bis gear build?

[wind dune]

Just going off the faq opener for reference

[normal mist]

There is one in the wow head rogue page

But take it with a kilo of salt because we should always sim our gear for "bis"

[wind dune]

Or my bad lol doesn't show a single target but regardless what would be best for that build D:

[brazen nimbus]

Im lookig for the one thats already simmed so i know what im going to chase.

not what i need right now

[balmy condor]

Probably not worth, valor would go for cos ring or your lowest ilvl

[balmy condor]

Rule is if you don’t know where to find it, you don’t need to

[brazen nimbus]

i didnt find the oen with CoS ring in your spreadsheet, thats where i've been looking mostly

[fleet imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[fleet imp]

Here is something too

[balmy condor]

It’s right there

[brazen nimbus]

oh nice so no head/ring combo anymore, pog

[balmy condor]

That’s probably a thing still

I gotta resim so much

With all of these builds now

[supple snow]

So about that

Which three Crafts are BiS right now?

[balmy condor]

If you have ring, cowl + lariat

If you don’t, lariat + fang

[pastel onyx]

huh

[supple snow]

If I don’t have ring I still go cowl and ignore lariant?

[pastel onyx]

not dagger + lariat if u dont have a ring?

[balmy condor]

Typo

[supple snow]

I do have ring but only dropped on normal

[pastel onyx]

just sim both combos

[supple snow]

Thanks

[tardy lance]

What’s the rotation on trash packs in M+ if you’re running dtb?

[thorn crater]

It better be I just crafted my 405 head. Another week stuck on 3p btw nothing drops

[neon oxide]

good thing I didnt craft dagger this week, just got terros one with leech lol

[tropic hearth]

Does echoing continue to anima charger that one combo point spot, or does it end the ability once its used the one time?

mained warrior in SL so not really sure how it works

[misty holly]

What do you mean?

[tropic hearth]

like, say for example it hits the 2nd combo point

does it stay anima charged the entire 45 seconds

[misty holly]

no they diappear after you use them..

[tropic hearth]

ok thats what i thought

[misty holly]

There is a talent that charges 2, 3, and 4 every time so you can get 3 uses out of it.

[tropic hearth]

im still leveling but got that one picked out for later

and just one other question, there is pretty much no reason to use deadly poison once you pick up amp poison right?

[misty holly]

There is, they work differently

Amp is better single target if you are casting a lot of envenoms

Deadly can still be better in multitarget

[tropic hearth]

ah ok

im mainly focusing on pvp, so feel it would be the better out of the 2 in most scenarios?

[supple snow]

Or you go DTB and use both. 😅

[misty holly]

Also look at the talent dragon tempered blade later in the tree

You can use both deadly and amp at the same time with it.

It's good for pvp too

Or you can use Wound poison with another.

[supple snow]

Usually it would be deadly.

Deadly and wound

For 3s that’s almost always the way to go.

[tropic hearth]

grabbing that one too, justhavent leveled enough yet to get it lol

[supple snow]

For 2s if they don’t have much healing you go deadly amp

[misty holly]

For leveling I might use deadly because stuff won't live long enough to get 10 stacks of amp poison

[sullen hedge]

i cant seem to find FoK and CT usage in the wowhead rotation, do i just spam the two on mass aoe?

[tropic hearth]

so with dragon tempered you can have 4 different poisons on?

[misty holly]

Typically no, but if you have like 20 targets then spamming can be fine.

Usually you spam FoK for combo points, keep CT going for the bleed, and then spread ruptures

[sullen hedge]

ahhh okay okay

that makes sense

[misty holly]

But it depends on target count. There is a point where spamming CT is good, but its so big most groups wont be pulling that

[sullen hedge]

gotcha, so like evne on 7-ish which is on the high end i'd say, i just put out ruptures

with the CT bleed

high end for what i see i mean

[misty holly]

Ruptures will give you energy regen, so it helps to have a few out.

[golden tangle]

Is assassin the best spec for PVP currently? I'll mostly be doing solo shuffle for a while to see how I get on.

I should qualify best really :/

[sullen hedge]

i believe sub and assassin are both good, with sub having the edge?

but both are great from what i know

[golden tangle]

I last did PVP in Wrath and that was sub but it's been a looong time

[runic basin]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[tropic hearth]

ive been plinking around in bgs to level to 70 so i can get max honor gear, assassin feels pretty good, better then outlaw imo

might just be user error and not being as familiar

[misty holly]

Looking at the leaderboards assassination has the most gladiators, but Outlaw has the single highest rating

You can probably play any spec and do well.

[golden tangle]

Ooh OK. I was kinda worried that I don't have the best gear to keep swapping in and out of specs for PVP but maybe it matters a whole lot less these days

[somber fractal]

is there a point where crit drops off? i have over 5k and the sims keep telling me to send the crit

[steel sorrel]

#pvp might be a bette rplace to ask, most people here is pve andys ❤

[steel sorrel]

You cant trust statweight sims, sim your char with the gear and see whats best for you 👍🏻

[somber fractal]

yes thats what i have been doing

im just asking if anyone knows if there is a breakpoint

[steel sorrel]

Aha!

The Faq doesnt state so so I would think not, but thats the extent of my knowledge

[somber fractal]

feels weird being 406 ilvl and having 40% crit already

[steel sorrel]

Haha, feels amazing you mean? I am 401 with 27%crit/41%mast. Would like to have more critt but it doesnt seem to matter to much in the end atm

[native meteor]

is there an m+ build that doesn't use echoing reprimand? tryna learn the spec and i'm not a fan of that ability

[timber basalt]

is there ever a build that takes both CT and SBS?

wondering if i can reuse the hotkey

[steel sorrel]

Check pinned message, I believe you can swap ER for Cold blood or do what you please for all builds if you just dont want to play optimaly and drop the ability 🙂

In pinned you have a cursed build that states you can drop ER for some other shit

for example

[native meteor]

ok ty i will check that out

i don't have tier set tho

only have 1 piece

[steel sorrel]

Scroll down to the M+ part and honestly.. if your bot goibg to play the optimal builds for you then do what you want. Noone here is going to be able to tell you what you want to play.

[sullen hedge]

is it worth it at all to pre-thistle tea before a pull for the mastery?

[steel sorrel]

Just take a build and swap talents around as you please?

[steel sorrel]

No, you pop with DM for mastery and then when you are dry on energy. Dont let it cap, thats all

[sullen hedge]

oh deathmark, gotcha

[small meteor]

Got heroic diurnas ring tonight 🙂
But i have to wait 2 weeks to craft flaring cowl 😦

Bitter sweet

[steel sorrel]

Here..

[native meteor]

ty am checking those out right now

[steel sorrel]

May the gods be with you 😇

[celest ruin]

puzzlebox cast time scales with haste?

[steel sorrel]

Dont think so, mine seems to be 2 sec during BL but not 100%

[native meteor]

i know almost nothing about sin and am much better at learning from a video than reading so i have a feeling that i'm about to be diving into the deep end without learning how to swim LMAO

[steel sorrel]

I see, then you should rly get used to ER from the beginning. Its an ability you can press and forget every 45 sec. Dont focus to much on the charged points, just know that if you fan of knives and end up on a blue point it counts as a 7 Cp finisher and save you some time on rotation/energy ❤

[native meteor]

ok maybe i will just give ER a shot then and see how it goes

[steel sorrel]

Sometimes its super nice when rupt is about to fall off ona boss for example and you happen to land a mutilate for 2 cp and land on animacharged node. You can go bom 7 point rupt instead of missing out on energy and dmg 🙂

just an example, ALOT of utility and use from the ability

[native meteor]

ok i will try, might as well since i'm learning from scratch

[steel sorrel]

If you play Ic build you can almost always open with garrote-fan of knives-Crimsob tempest-er-7 point rupt

You cast IC in stealth so all will have imp garrote, full point ct and 7 point rupt on them

Its fun and super ezy

[native meteor]

ok i've gotta laern the abbreviations because idk half of what you said lol

[regal sable]

true gamers garrote -> garrote -> rupture -> er -> ct 😎

[native meteor]

i think i know them all except ct

[steel sorrel]

Its in the top in faq 🙂

[native meteor]

oh crimson tempest

[steel sorrel]

Crimson tempest

[native meteor]

yeah i opened up the website for em

[steel sorrel]

ye

[native meteor]

ok gonna take my dog to pee then diving into this

[steel sorrel]

Yes but beginners might not be able to optimally play at first xD

[steel sorrel]

Gl man, just ask if you more if you need ❤

[sweet inlet]

Are sim's correct or is the cobalt ring not working well in sims?

i dont see how the CoS melee attack ring could beat the cobalt assembly ring proc at only 3 ilvl higher

[feral rivet]

Theres like no secondaries on cobalt ring

[misty holly]

That is mid range gamer play. True true gamers open with the quad garrote. On single target. Just because you can.

[regal sable]

is it possible to learn this power

wait wait

garrote -> exsang -> garrote -> garrote

for the most optimal ruining ur bleed gameplay

[celest ruin]

just exsang with no bleeds up

pro gamer move

[brazen zodiac]

good thing game dont let u do that

[native meteor]

well question for you before i get started, which 1 is easier and which 1 is better dragon-tempered blades build or kingsbane +Ic build

[regal sable]

you... you've tried...?

[brazen zodiac]

eh fat fingered it once on a random target and just got a msg

[steel sorrel]

The builds sims similar depending on your gear one might be better than the other one. DTB is generally abit more St than kb-ic. I would say pick one and try it out, DTB might be consedered easier in terms of less buttons to press but you need to manjally apply bleeds instead of spreading them with IC 🙂

I hope you understand my crappy spelling

[misty holly]

Would you rather juggle 2 more cooldowns (KB, IC) or would you rather tab target apply ruptures more often?

[native meteor]

haha yeah i got it all

thanks

so maybe play DTB on tyrannical weeks and the other build on fort weeks

[misty holly]

That's what Whispyr has been doing.

[fleet imp]

I tried both. DTB is more stressfull in terms of managing the packs kicks stund ccs

IC is cleaner imo

[native meteor]

ok i will start with KB IC

ty all for the info

[steel sorrel]

This is correct

[steel sorrel]

Do it, its a fun build 🙂

[rancid nimbus]

jap. very fun indeed

[steel sorrel]

@native meteor And I am speaking from my own experience mind you, dont know whats right/best i theory

[native meteor]

sounds good i'm not worried about running the top 1% build as long as it's fun and good

[sullen hedge]

does this damage breakdown look weird at all? my dps feels so low for how good rogues are

[marble cedar]

Just a dumb question on rotation, assuming when everything is up, ex and deathmark used, kingsbane in, from then you cycle envenom and just reapply dots?

[oak sky]

For the most part yeah

[neon oxide]

More crimson tempest, this is my breakdown (ignore the fact it says 2.9k overall - it was about 64k, details bug)

That was a 16 HoV

[sullen hedge]

hmm i see i see

is there a certain target i use CT on?

[oak sky]

1 outside shiv

[neon oxide]

AoE packs

[marble cedar]

Should you maintain crimson tempest even on single targets?

[storm onyx]

CT spam at +6 targets

[marble cedar]

Or is it a waste of energy?

[royal lantern]

iirc it makes more or less no difference in ST

[oak sky]

You always maintain ct dot at 2+ targets

[marble cedar]

Ty

[storm onyx]

No, we dont maintain it aon ST anymore

[thin gate]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[oak sky]

Pretty sure with amp its neutral without amp its better but its probably still small enough that it can be ignored tbh

[marble cedar]

As a last question, is there a good addon that tracks kingsbane and the damage increase its receiving?

[oak sky]

Probably not because its super unnecessary

It sort of passively builds up while you maintain envenom and use both shivs on it

[royal lantern]

ye just rember seli and whisp saying something like "in X situation its neutral, in Y O,2%better, just dont bother"

[oak sky]

But there might be something like what people used to have for the frost shards honestly idk

[sullen hedge]

oh someone early told me it was liek 20+ or something :o?

[normal mist]

Why spam?

[oak sky]

Better than envenom at high target counts

[normal mist]

Won't be my case unfortunately

Generally max 10 targets pulls

Or 2/3 packs

[oak sky]

I mean you heard everyone say it you start spamming at 6 targets

[normal mist]

I only read the 20+ lol I'm dumb asfuck. Thanks for helping me actually open my eyes mister agreon

So we want to spam CT at 6+ for raw DMG, okay that's actually news to me, amazing, more improvement room!

[storm onyx]

No, we rupture enough to keep energy going and then we spam at 6+

[scenic kelp]

how do i use the puzzlebox in the opener? 😄

[sullen hedge]

cast it pre pull

[scenic kelp]

really?

[copper hazel]

no

1. is the box

basically, always use it just before deathmark at some point

[scenic kelp]

ty!

[hardy dagger]

does any1 know the spell id of IC buff?

[sullen hedge]

you really take the time to cast it mid fight?

[storm onyx]

Cast it before DM

[storm onyx]

You lose about 8 secs of buff time on buff stacking if you do it prepull. You need to time it to your DM

[copper hazel]

plus it takes you out of stealth, so if you fuck it up, you arent in stealth for the pull

[native meteor]

381802 i think it is

[vestal wren]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/idtip

^ you can use this addon, it will show you the spell id in the tooltip if you hover over it

[hardy dagger]

i have that addon and used 381802 but that's not the id for the buff

[native meteor]

question lets say i'm mid m+ dungeon and not in my opener, exsang and deathmark are on cd, i've already used IC and my poisons are falling off

how do i keep them up on multiple mobs

[sullen hedge]

your poisons should apply automatically

[subtle tundra]

you press them

[sullen hedge]

im assuming you mean how do you keep the poison dot on multiple classes, which is fan of knives

theyll apply automatically no your attacks

on*

[native meteor]

sorry i mean like garrote and rupture

do i just tab between mobs reapplying them

[sullen hedge]

oh, yeah, you just manually put them on targets

[native meteor]

ok ty

[normal mist]

You roleplay Oprah

You get a garrote, you get a garrote, everyone gets a garrote!

Same with rupture

[native meteor]

ok follow up to that is there a certain mob breakpoint where it's better to spam fan of knives and crimson tempest instead of reapplying garrote and rupture

[normal mist]

Afaik you want most targets with your bleeds (like 5/6?)

[paper otter]

Also depends how long will they live

[normal mist]

^

No point in garroting a 5% HP target

Just for it to go on CD

[native meteor]

ok ty

[neon oxide]

Academy +17 blasting

pewpew

[winged quail]

Hey I was looking at the opener for Exsang build, and it places deathmark after Exsang. Am I right in thinking that I should wait until after Exsang expires before I use deathmark?

[subtle tundra]

lol just got grieftorch from weekly

[neon oxide]

Exsang only shortens bleeds that are currently active when you press the button

which includes deathmark

[winged quail]

ahh cool thanks

[neon oxide]

So exsang -> deathmark essentially

[winged quail]

got it, cheers

[neon oxide]

If the tank and healer hadnt died on bird boss would have +2'd that 17 academy

sad

[royal lantern]

normal or heroic torch?

[subtle tundra]

hc, its from the weekly

[royal lantern]

+how big is the dmg difference im curious

cus my normal torch has 164k in its tooltip (lmao wow tooltips)

[subtle tundra]

idk buddy

but i dont really care

about the gear

[royal lantern]

https://wago.io/o17LEZDnG

[clever jungle]

Hey guys! Sorry to bother, new to Assa, I have a quick question. I don't really understand when you want to do the Vanish+Garrote with DM after opener. Are you doing it before DM or in DM ?

[royal lantern]

mandatory torch WA

[subtle tundra]

nah i wont use grieftorch

i cba trying anymore

[spice spire]

Mf using boon but won’t use the torch

[winged quail]

man I've been praying for torch to drop 😢

[spice spire]

Depends on build, more than likely you’re running non bleed DTB which is after

[subtle tundra]

cba trying to do better when my gear is so dogwater

[slim hamlet]

Only got like 6% right now

[subtle tundra]

playing as good as i can and still not doing well

[brazen zodiac]

rip

[subtle tundra]

fucks my mental

so im not trying anymore

[thorn fjord]

I got the NO trinket last night which is cool

[brazen zodiac]

just do whatevers fun for u gamer no need to stress urself out

[royal lantern]

stopped giving a fuck about WR for DF

just vibing

5/8 heroic 1mythic kill and happy

[subtle tundra]

fun is playing escape from tarkov now

so instead of farming cos finger

im playing eft

[brazen zodiac]

if i could farm it with u i would >.<

[winged quail]

I've been loving the new talents for Sin and Outlaw, DL is a vibe

[brazen zodiac]

EfT epic

[subtle tundra]

nah no way

[clever jungle]

I'm running the "Standard DTB -> Poison Talents, without Exsang" build that was showcase yesterday

[royal lantern]

farming CoS ring is the most mental draining thing possible

[brazen zodiac]

uh yes way !

[spice spire]

Yeah after

[royal lantern]

you do 30 runs, it drops for the healer and he wont trade it

and then you do 30runs again

[brazen zodiac]

lucky enough the healer i ran with traded it

[spice spire]

Vita is uh.

[brazen zodiac]

quake is uh.

[spice spire]

Special person who’s too nice

Untiltable

A badbttch even

[brazen zodiac]

unkillable untamble undoesntgetenoughsleepable

lol when the cos ring first came back in that one tier of SL i ran like 100+ for guildies

probably the worst experience ngl waking up then doing it for like 10+ hours straight

rather go grind the hunt tbh

[subtle tundra]

yea

i fucking

hate

cos

the most BORING

dungeon

imaginable

[brazen zodiac]

its just toomuch rp

[subtle tundra]

and then i get tanks

that dont even double pull

yes dude lets go

1 mob pull

[royal lantern]

tanks only have 2 modes in pugs

[brazen zodiac]

try the tanks who pull the 3 sentry pack at the very start of the dungeon

[royal lantern]

1mob pulls

or 4 heavy caster packs at once

[shut bear]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[thorn fjord]

Atleast CoS is quick

[surreal basalt]

hey guys, kinda new to assa here, trying to learn it specifically for raid...
in the guide it says "Exsanguinate on cooldown after applying a Rupture with Echoing Reprimand", if ER is desynced from Exsanguinate then i can just apply a Rupture with max CP for the same effect, right?

[spice spire]

Sure but

It shouldn’t be desynced

45s x 4 is 3 minutes

[surreal basalt]

well its probably desynced cause im delaying ER a bit because im taking time to think what to press next, once i get the hang of it it wont desync

[thorn fjord]

sometimes you be forgetting

[spice spire]

Well yeah then there ya go. Let the flow take over and you’re gaming

[surreal basalt]

also another question for Deathmark: i want to refresh Rupture and Garrote before Deathmarks ends, is that correct?
sorry if this is noted anywhere in the FAQ, i tried finding this information but couldnt

[ruby lotus]

Doesnt necessairly matter. Deathmarks duplicate bleeds fall off no matter what when it expires

If you have an empowred garotte (Via Vanish) you wouldnt want to replace it til it fully expires

[surreal basalt]

oh so the duplicate only lasts while deathmark is active, it doesnt "apply" to the bleeds and persist after? got it

[ruby lotus]

correct

I thught they did at first also

so i was always trying to get those in before it expired

[surreal basalt]

so basically the only thing i want to make sure is that i have an empowered garrote via vanish before deathmark

[ruby lotus]

then i realized they dont so its compeltly not necessary

[brazen zodiac]

@subtle tundra do i get my tier piece of spider boss here we go

[ruby lotus]

unless they are expiring already

yea

[surreal basalt]

thanks mate, that helped a lot

[ruby lotus]

I usually do Deathmark -> Vanish Garotte

because you have an empowered garotte from the beginning of the fight anyways if you bstart from stealth

and then the vanish garotte is ensuring the empowered garotte lasts the whole 20 seconds of DM

[ruby lotus]

Goodluck

[brazen zodiac]

thanks im gonna need it cuz this pug cant seem to not fall lmoa

[ruby lotus]

I rolled a 2 on 4 piece and a 2 on Grieftorch this week /shrug

was freaking awesome

_>

[brazen zodiac]

f

[subtle tundra]

gear is pointless

[ruby lotus]

yeye

[thorn fjord]

Existence is pain

[brazen zodiac]

yes but 4pc

[ruby lotus]

proven from classic wow videos where rogues could kill max level warriros with nothing but 1 dagger

[royal lantern]

gear is pointless, everything is pointless, heath death of the universe comes

[subtle tundra]

actually true

[brazen zodiac]

might as well play LoL at this point

[royal lantern]

allright, stop right there

[brazen zodiac]

pog tier peice drop

do i get it

not me ahving to wait the full 2 minutes cuz someone not rolling

[royal lantern]

you can leave lfr/the group btw

when you rolled and you won, it just gets mailed to you

[subtle tundra]

lets go

hc or normal?

or lfr?

[brazen zodiac]

dude

i hate this new loot system

[subtle tundra]

same

[brazen zodiac]

ur never gonna get fucking loot

[spice spire]

Same

[brazen zodiac]

personal loot sucks too dont get me wrong but last tier i dropped my own tier pieces /shrug

[subtle tundra]

i have 3 normal and 1 hc tier piece

[spice spire]

If I have to spend more fucking time discussing loot I’m going to actually yell at someone

[subtle tundra]

last night after we cleared hc i just left the game

dont care about loot

[ruby lotus]

What do you mean, it doesnt make sense that Mythic Raz dropped liquid the bow with no hunters in the raid

sounds fine to me

[spice spire]

Or why Terros has dropped a dagger or two on every kill

[brazen zodiac]

or that staff that drops lmfao

[spice spire]

Both

Every

Fucking

[brazen zodiac]

tell me why these super "rare" loot drops less rare than EoN

[spice spire]

Kill

[idle pagoda]

is it worth crafting weapons now and use recrafting to better it later, or just save up till can get 418s

[spice spire]

I awarded heroic whispering last night to our mage and you’d think I’d committed murder to half my raid team

[next edge]

you Sinners are so weird

why do you need 999 milion builds

smh

[brazen zodiac]

no we're tired please bring us coffee

[next edge]

just bleed and kill

[next edge]

Tell me what of thsoe 9 builds do i play

dad

[spice spire]

Sim yourself ho

Different builds for different stages of gear

[thorny pond]

play DTB without bleed build no exsang

[neon oxide]

Yo so weird sim

Lariat 418 is a downgrade for me

lol

must be a weird gem thing

[thorny pond]

lariat was a downgrade vs other pieces too but I had a big neck

[royal lantern]

assa be like "i need a build with 2 more poison talents, one with 2more bleed talents, same with KB and then the same with IC again!!"

and then there is sub with "shuriken storm Blackpowder go brrrrr"

[next edge]

we chads

[next edge]

im a 4 pieces gigachad

[royal lantern]

[next edge]

Not gonna lie will just pick the good old DTB no exsang build

Wait are you telling me I have to play sin and press SnD?

fuck no.

[spice spire]

I don’t think I’d recommend that build to anyone

[brazen zodiac]

i would

im mad wheres my tier piece quake

the worst part is u cant even see what u rolled

[ruby lotus]

wait what? I always see what i rolled

[royal lantern]

if people play that build

just laugh at them

cant save them

actually thinking dropping CttC is worth 0,0002%dps lmao

[ruby lotus]

[royal lantern]

0,000002% SIM dps

[next edge]

monkas

[ruby lotus]

For me it shows right above where it says who won the roll, sometimes its annoying to see because how the chat just sends out all the loot rolls at once but generally you should be able to see this

[next edge]

Bleed DTB -> CTTC, without Exsang

this seems the only chad build someone would play @royal lantern ngl

[thorn fjord]

Not taking CTTC is masochistic

[brazen zodiac]

oh wow

hm never saw that too hard 2 see

pog got the whispering trinket

395 tho rip

[ruby lotus]

yea they didnt make it easy thats for sure

If this is our loot system can we get reroll tokens back plz

[vernal plinth]

You guys going kb+ic for m+ and dtb for raid or dtb for both ?

[ruby lotus]

thanks

Generally Mythic+ depends on your group, I usually paly KC + IB because i like how it plays and the AOE silence and dmg reduction helps group mobs and makes things ez, but generally the DTB build would be better DPS AFAIK

youll always play what feels better for you best though regardless of what the best is, knowing the feeling of the build and how it flows is important

if you all builds equally though DTB pry better DPS

and KC + IC great utility

[brazen zodiac]

silencing all those imps in cos tho

mmm

[ruby lotus]

KB*

I cant acronym right now

im at work

sorry

brain is dumb

[vernal plinth]

Hahaha no worries appreciate the thoughtful response

For raid , DTB?

There’s nothing quite like opening up with IC from stealth on a pack of mobs hahah

[ruby lotus]

Yea i generally play DTB. KB + IC has some merrit on fights like Dathea in Heroic. If your group is having a rough time grouping platform mobs, AOE silence is huge to intrutupt and group

or to chain an intruption

just gotta not use Vanish in opener to gaurentee youll have the AOE silence on platform

if youre in first group

but DTB is better DMG most of the time

[vernal plinth]

Got it, good call out

[gusty mirage]

For raid you’re going to have to sim yourself it’s super gear dependent right now. Pins outline all the viable raid builds

[brazen zodiac]

oxi!! i got loot!!!! pog!!!

[gusty mirage]

HUGE

You’re gaming so hard rn

I’m off to pick up my new cpu/mobo

[brazen zodiac]

its that super rare trinket that drops every pull

based

[gusty mirage]

Whispering Icon?

[brazen zodiac]

it was a 1000 dps upgrade

[gusty mirage]

Don’t tell Seli, he’ll get upsetti

His guild got like 1 in 3 weeks

[brazen zodiac]

lmao wtf

i literally see that shit every time its insane

[ruby lotus]

dont think weve seen it <_>

[gusty mirage]

We dropped 2 more this week

[ruby lotus]

any evokers get their staffs for you guys/?

[brazen zodiac]

dura ring ever week

this shit is cursed

oxi do u like the loot system?

[gusty mirage]

Our evoker got her normal staff

This loot system sucks donkey dick

[brazen zodiac]

idk it just feels bad

[gusty mirage]

Our pallies, priests and shaman are taking tokens in hopes of rolling tertiaries meanwhile 2 tokens get fucked

[brazen zodiac]

someone said before that the mythic bow dropped when no hunter was in the raid

thats incredible as thrall from hearthstone would say!

[gusty mirage]

10/10 system

[ruby lotus]

yea for liquid

[magic vine]

10/10 no notes

[gusty mirage]

Can’t wait to get 2 bows from mythic raz for our one hunter

[ruby lotus]

Gotta add the dual bow feature for MM

[gusty mirage]

Truuuuu

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[uncut echo]

Akimbow

[gusty mirage]

System is actually so bad

Just keep personal loot and remove trade restrictions on loot for guild groups

Why is that so hard

[brazen zodiac]

thats what im askin

[flint tusk]

So i've just come across this weak aura. while trying to find a way of getting amplifying poison to show on Luxthos's rogue WA and it's bloody awesome.
https://wago.io/6k4RWHZ35

no more pissing about with macros or that drop down menu

[brazen zodiac]

i just press shift1 and click which poison i want xD

[flint tusk]

that's the point of this. you just click this in the way it says
plus a great reminder for when poisons just vanish due to bad coding

[ruby lotus]

Like its not a big deal but that fact of the weapon runes sometimes double applying to the same weapon is annoying xD

wasteing my gold here blizz

[gusty mirage]

Yo that’s so tilting

[ruby lotus]

its like wtf

[gusty mirage]

I’ve done an entire key with 1 rune because I expected it to work normally

Silly me

[flint tusk]

why can't they make it so m1 MH m2 OH it's not that hard :/

[ruby lotus]

yea what do you expect from a multi billion dollar company

come on

[gusty mirage]

Same shit used to happen with the oils too

In SL

[ruby lotus]

i was enhance

so i didnt use them xD

[gusty mirage]

Yea it’s a load of horseshit

You just have to be mindful to wait a second or two after applying first one

Which is annoying but better than throwing hundreds of gold in the garbage ig

[flint tusk]

right back to a better way of tracking amplifying poison on wa. my noob is showing

[ruby lotus]

i mean yea i always keep a lookout now, but they could just fix it to >_<

[brazen zodiac]

yeah they could do a lot of things >.<

[ruby lotus]

trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[magic vine]

i might be wrong but i don't think trying to track amp poison stacks is something worth playing around? like since it goes up to 20 stacks you should be using an envenom in the time it'd take to go from 10->20

[wide ridge]

using the 1st buzzing rune then swapping weapons then using the 2nd rune then swapping them back does it for me

[ruby lotus]

Blizzard over here making a 2 hr weapon enhancement RNG to ensure we have another gold sink

[flint tusk]

So it's mainly for when i get turbo lucky on hitting my animacharge points.
had a few occasions where i'll ER to 4 points use that one
mut to 2
mut to 3 and when i was watching it it wouldn't stack up fast enough.
it's only like a second or two of waiting but nice to not miss out on extra damage just from not knowing.

also it's great for wPvP/PvP but that's a side goal as i have plater for that

[brazen zodiac]

@gusty mirage yeah not the pug DH needing on trinket when he has mythic ilvl versions

soooo based

[rigid prawn]

so im playing around with assassination rn and im wondering if Echoing Reprimand is a must talent or can i replace it with something else i prefer and not loose dps

[spice spire]

Based on what

[ruby lotus]

What would you prefer?

[spice spire]

You’ll lose dps in all builds that take it. Every build recommended is pinned or in the faq some don’t take it

[ruby lotus]

7 CP envenoms are legit

[spice spire]

Among other things

[rigid prawn]

so i loose dps if i dont take it?

[brazen zodiac]

not the warrior msging me telling me he'll need on the trinket then give it to me

like WHAT

no shame these pugs no shame

[leaden meadow]

Probably a dumb af question, but when tf should I be using puzzlebox in regards to pull? Prepull, after I apply my bleeds but before deathmark, or after deathmark, or some time completely differently

[pure moth]

Right before deathmark

[thorny pond]

ER Rupt -> Box > DM

[leaden meadow]

Ahhh, thank you both ❤️

[modern dust]

Anyone have sim to 68-70k+ DPS Assa with Ilvl around 390-395?

Want to investigate :F

[thorny pond]

4pc, grieftorch and CTT type setup maybe

[modern dust]

Found one whoever this is, could have searched 😄

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pDYJs3o3dKAUPQbWiwCYam

[gusty mirage]

Puzzle box at 415 is a 3.3% upgrade for me over a 408 ctt

[rugged ruin]

There's a place where I can ask for someone to analyze my shit play as an assassination rogue in raid and have them tell me what I'm doing wrong, right? Where do I do that?

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

No shit

[wide ridge]

whats ctt again

[gusty mirage]

We can escape this shit trinket

[rugged ruin]

I parsed gray on a few bosses recently and I hate it

Ashamed

[modern dust]

Controlled Current Technique trinket

[wide ridge]

oh gotcha

[modern dust]

Ah fuck this was Sub 😄

[gusty mirage]

Yeah if you type !log and then post a link to your log in the thread peeps can help you in an area that you can keep track of

[rugged ruin]

Thank you!

[gusty mirage]

That’s also dungeonslice

[modern dust]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

I can also make one for you, I’ll do it right now

[rugged ruin]

!log

[gusty mirage]

Beat me to it

I’m getting too old

[brazen zodiac]

purple parsing with no set in norms lets gooo oxiiii

im gonna jump

[quartz hamlet]

Hey is there a stat cap for assasination rogue ? I have 39 % mastery and 32 % crit. Do i want more or less, i cant seem to find anything on this.

[modern dust]

Sub is simming 3k higher DPS with same gear as with Assa :<

[misty marsh]

Hello guys, can someone tell me if "Atrophic Poison" give the boss 3,6% dps less just for his meele hits or ability's too? ask for terros Raidboss

[next edge]

my heart beats when I see you texting

[ruby lotus]

as far as im tracking no, at one point i was near 40% crit, dont think there is necessairly a soft cap. You kind of just sim items right now and just use what ever is best regardless of secondarys

top gear on raid bots

[royal wraith]

Is there anything similar to Wow Analyzer that works for Assass rogue right now?

[spare crow]

wowanalyzer is bad for all specs btw

[pseudo hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[fleet imp]

would have cut the sentence after bad 😂

[spice spire]

They’re trying

Keeping people hard

But I would not recommend using it currently

[thorny pond]

Good in theory but so many minute changes

[ionic fox]

I've got a dumb question... I haven't been applying non-lethal [crippling poison] on DTB build. Was I losing energy from that?

[thorny pond]

nope!

[ionic fox]

pog

[woeful wigeon]

i have a question maby weird for some peeps i was checking logs of other rogue i am confused how they can cast 60+ evenoms in 180sec while i am ruffly around +-30-35 do they just spam to spamm it even with not 5-6 cp ?

there like 15-25k dps diff feels weird

can you check yours logs and clear me up plz

[patent estuary]

!log

[keen viper]

are there pre-pots still ?

[thorny pond]

It's just a CD now

5min is 5 min

[obtuse latch]

Can anybody take a look at my Terros log and tell me what im doing wrong?

[open lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ttzyzgsoE5EAk8yBxYmjUF

!log

[obtuse latch]

!log

[woeful wigeon]

seems i aint the only one struggling on it xd

[patent estuary]

lol @ this guy asking for help on his 95 parse

[obtuse latch]

Shit ilvl parse

[patent estuary]

im getting sub 10 parses bro

[obtuse latch]

Im just over geared so it carries my overall damage

[patent estuary]

how did you get over geared

[obtuse latch]

m+? and was given 4 piece by my guild

[patent estuary]

ilvl?

[obtuse latch]

404

406 in outlaw

[patent estuary]

im 398 with 2 piece and parsing at 15 percentiles

might uninstall

[lone creek]

this was also dungeon slice

[obtuse latch]

if you send me your logs i can look at basic shit, i just dont know what im doing wrong specifically

[patent estuary]

here

[obtuse latch]

Oh i dont play kingsbane and couldnt help with it

[fleet imp]

There is not much stuff wrong if you parse 95 on terros, gonna be mostly trinket and kill timer differences

[patent estuary]

kingsbane is probably the problem then

[obtuse latch]

I figured, 3.5 min kill time is brutal, only 2 grief torch uses (no deaths) and no PI, also no pot

[fleet imp]

Ilvl parse this early doesnt mean much, if you are 404 there are going to be 10 ppl with the same gear and if you are in the middle of those 10 you parse 50

[obtuse latch]

224 parses

[fleet imp]

Still the difference is the comparison between you and few others where timer and trinket will make the big difference else you would be getting a 95

[obtuse latch]

ok thank you very much. brand new to rogue started playing it 2nd week of this xpac so im still learning, used to parsing 97%+ for ilvl on my boomy so just dont like feeling like a shitter

[fleet imp]

Blink of an eye no pot, shit kill timer and late shiv. Try to shiv early and especially before sending/during ER so your next big envenom get buffed

[obtuse latch]

shiv earlier in deathmark window?

[kindred bone]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[fleet imp]

#assassination-faq

Check it

In opener

[obtuse latch]

i zee

ty

[fleet imp]

Outside of that we are more or less parsing the same (I have even shitter timer 3:45 ) so my knowledge ends here

[cobalt hemlock]

you think the weapon enchants getting a cheaper price any soon? dont feel like dropping 200K just for enchants

[brazen zodiac]

rip

[flint pond]

what's the item that removes embellishments?

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Z2KSo1WJ8yx1zryJsUVrZ

can someone figure out where i used my grieftorch trinket?

[flint pond]

ty

[strange python]

50g on ah

[ruby lotus]

Girftah sells it also if you wowhead him

hes in Obsidian sanctum

but im pretty sure he sells it for 50g so if AH is that much dont make the walk

xD

[glass junco]

hey guys, I have a trial with a new guild today and they told me that I have to perform like crazy if i want the spot, and its giving me anxiety, what can I do to maximize my damage on Darthea and Diurna?

[grim jay]

pray for poison bomb procs

and tunnel diurna instead of going for adds

😄

[soft merlin]

dunno if im right but in that it says:
0:26:117 Use Items

[glass junco]

Best build before tier set?

[teal bloom]

@strange python 0:26, 2:26, 4:26. The "use item" ones that don't add the puzzle box buff

[thorny pond]

More than likely DTB

[eager solstice]

Sophia on both weapons?

Sophic ^

[teal bloom]

yes

[spark gulch]

When you guys are doing Aoe pulls with DTB and CT if the pull is like 4-5 targets, after the normal opener, do you guys combo point dump with envenom and hope for bomb procs while maintaining your CT or just dump CT ?

[grim jay]

I'd like myself a sophia

[thorn fjord]

Only if its Sophia Vergarra

[spice spire]

Miami POV

[shut owl]

I'm aiming for at least 4 rupt/garrotes before I'm looking for pb

[grim jay]

398 puzzle box, to upgrade or not to upgrade, that is the question

[shut owl]

If you're talking m+ anyways

[spice spire]

I like upgrading tbh

[spark gulch]

Yeah, alrighty thanks!

[grim jay]

its a weird trinket tho

weird to use

[spice spire]

Yeah but it synergizes well with dm

[smoky quail]

is our best embellishment still the bronze one?

[spice spire]

You pop it before dm and you’re chuckling

[grim jay]

the question is when will I obtain mythic grieftorch to replace it

and I'm sure the answer is not any time soon

[thorn fjord]

How sweaty is your raid group

[unkempt burrow]

That sounds like a toxic environment lol

[grim jay]

cutting edge no problemo, but not that early. I stepped down a little due to time 😄

[lone creek]

how are people using windscar + grieftorch in opener? grieftorch after opener, then windscar 20sec later?

[thorny pond]

Sim it then look at the report, it will tell you timings

[glacial crypt]

Ask them what they mean by "perform like crazy". If they want big DPS, Let them know your strengths and what they need to do in order to accommodate what you're capable of. Which guild is this, if you don't mind me asking?

[tall flame]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[glass junco]

Can I dm u about this?

[undone eagle]

do u guys think the wep enchants will be lowered price soon?

☠️

[amber niche]

no

sophic devotions are proc based rn

same w/ any devotions

[undone eagle]

i miss the SL 500 gold enchants 😂

[patent estuary]

What is dtb vs kingsbane distribution in raids?

[amber niche]

i have a 34% chance to proc sophic devotion

its like mehish

and how rare titan orbs are is probs the bigger reason

[undone eagle]

those enchants has so much big impact when it comes to dps ST right? i got decent trinkets but still do like 40-50k st yikes ... yet no enchants on my daggers since i got garbage ones

[shut owl]

watch for when theres a storm in tyr's area; titan orbs will plummet for a little bit at the end as folks offload em

[amber niche]

at the end of the week they tend to be like 7.5k

(on illidan)

but it takes reso crystals too

and reso crystals are like 4k rn

even with like running almost 100 keys

like im always out of resonant crystals

kinda sucks

[oblique tangle]

Bruh.

[obsidian beacon]

anyone have any video guides that focuses on opener + rotation? i'm a visual person.

[oblique tangle]

Just nabbed this from the chest

Fuck me, lmfao

[obsidian beacon]

for kb + carnage && dtb single target

[thorn fjord]

its not awful... still the second BiS ring from raid

[oblique tangle]

xd

Like don't get me wrong, I'm going to use it but what a meme

[shut owl]

at least you didnt get a neck

[oblique tangle]

True, I suppose that's fair

[undone eagle]

can u enchant the same on 2 daggers or it doesnt count?

sophic devo on both

[spice spire]

You can

[shut owl]

my heroic chest reward was 100 gold 😛

[undone eagle]

is that the best combo?

double sophic devo q3

[spice spire]

Yes

[undone eagle]

ty 🙂

im doing some research on top gear

[spice spire]

Gonna be me when I do the weekly

[thorn fjord]

i got neck from weekly box 😦

big sadge

[shut owl]

meanwhile we've had 11 kamikaze avatar trinkets drop, so I'm stoked to see us wipe on normal clear next week

I got excited and thought the weekly was bugged and everyone was gonna get all the good stuff 😛

[obsidian beacon]

question about garrote in the opener. So I cast garrote from stealth, to get empowered garrote. Then I cast SnD....then I immediately re-cast cast for instant dmg application until garrote itself is on cd? Is that correct?

In other words, I'm not letting the emp garrote run its full duration

[viscid spear]

[obsidian beacon]

nvm i think the faq opener section answered my question.... <_<

[arctic bobcat]

should puzzle box be used in the opener at all?

seems like the mastery would be good but the cast would just kill the rotation

[oblique tangle]

Man, not me at 390 ilvl with 1k+ m+ score being denied to 28 +11's and counting

lmfao

Fuck]

[shut owl]

lol, I was watching kieron getting denied to stuff

dunno why folks feel so opposed to rogues in m+

[spice spire]

Yes right before dm

[oblique tangle]

Imagine you bring assfuckloads of utility to an m+

[spice spire]

The KPB?!

[oblique tangle]

Basically incredible pick

And you get denied to shit you're overgeared for

[shut owl]

yeah, was watching their stream to learn some stuff

[oblique tangle]

It's CoS too so like I have the ability to stealth grab the pillars and shit?????

[spice spire]

@final star you have fans, pls remember me when you’re famous

[arctic bobcat]

but doesnt that massively interrupt the opener?

[shut owl]

I think I was one of one, maybe two folks watching yesterday XD

[spice spire]

Not really. It supercharges your dm window pretty well. That’s the ideal point to do it atm

[spice spire]

He deserves so much more (the world)

[novel totem]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[final star]

fan moment

[shut owl]

yeah, snagged your WA too 😛

[final star]

I'm still not happy with it but I will improve on a 0.5 patch

[arctic bobcat]

ok fair enough, thank you

[shut owl]

I definitely gotta move around some of the bits and bobs for the sub pack but it was handy for outlaw out the gate

[final star]

ya I will just be making individual spec groups

[chrome mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gloomy stone]

I‘m looking for a macro, cast bonespike if available else cast poisoned knife

[final star]

I would never

[spice spire]

A king

[cobalt hemlock]

how do you check on logs so see who spreads the marks on dathea?

[shut owl]

push the replay button, and it will give you a graphic review of everyones positions

thats what I usually used when raid leading back in uldir XD

if you see a buncha people all of a sudden have the debuff, go back a second or two and see who spread it and how

[final star]

or

check debuffs

and you can see in that tab timings

[spice spire]

You can check who had the marks targeted to them vs who had debuffs

Then see why someone ate it etc

[limber lion]

But neither of those options really show who spread's the mark

If 5 people get the mark, you don't know who of the 5 people spread it

You use Replay for that

[worldly sphinx]

With DTB build, I should use the puzzle trinket just before deathmark and sync it ? Or I used them on CD ?

[shut owl]

thats why I like the visual, you can see if people were dumb and hugged the targeted person, or if the targeted ran it into the stack

[spice spire]

Yeah but it gives you the reference instead of just blindly looking in

[shut owl]

if you're checking wipes you prolly have a good timing expectation of when it happened ;3

[cobalt hemlock]

right thanks!

[lusty widget]

!logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3wjmWzcqraH9Mnpv#fight=20&type=damage-done

[static shore]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vital reef]

Hello! New to Rogue, whats the best Embelishments? Lariat + ? Assume raiding

Ah that sheet has it!

[spice spire]

Lariat very good, but they’re all notated in #assassination-faq as well

[vital reef]

Yea - this says bronze grip wrap in offhand, is that 1% the same for mainhand as well? Since it will be my higher ilvl weapon.

[limber lion]

Yes, it does not matter

[vital reef]

Thanks!

[burnt latch]

6/8 dathea down boys

[spice spire]

Huge

[burnt latch]

dathea was easier than kurog

sus

[spice spire]

Maybe you’re just built different

[burnt latch]

that could be

absolute finnish unit

[unkempt burrow]

My guild 1 shot heroic Kurog and had like 15+ wipes on dathea lol

[burnt latch]

we had like 100 kurog wipes and less than 70 on dathea

but ig theres a reset in between

[unkempt burrow]

Are you talking mythic

[burnt latch]

so gear goes up a lot

yeah mythic

[unkempt burrow]

Ok yea I’m a shitter

Prob a difference

[spice spire]

Large difference in heroic and mythic at this point

[unkempt burrow]

We aren’t starting mythic till next week. Well hopefully next week. Going for final 2 heroic tonight

[thorny pond]

Good luck. Raz is tough

[unkempt burrow]

Ya it looks like a pain in the ass.

Any major tips and tricks compared to normal I should be aware of?

[thorny pond]

Don't die, do big dam

bout all I got

[unkempt burrow]

Profound

Much appreciated

[kindred rapids]

Have like 50 wipes on m kurog at this point

Got to 4%

Enrage feels tough to beat rn

Did you play outlaw on kurog?

[spice spire]

It looks like he did per r.io

[limber lion]

Save cds for shields in p2
Don't run over your friends in p2
Don't die to breath in p2

If you're a belf, Arcane Torrent is giga for clearing sparks in p1 and p2

[royal lantern]

tbf, "dont die to breath" is a general thing for that fight

or in all fights involving breath attacks

[dark token]

are you guys using exang/puzzlebox at 3 mins if you gain a usage (e.g. 7 min fight)

[grizzled jay]

Diurna Heroic is really easy as long as no one misses eggs

[dark token]

m sennarth i cant decide which is better: sync with deathmark or use puzzlebox/exang at 3 min

[limber lion]

sync

Honestly just always sync

[limber lion]

Yeah it's surprising how many people die to them

[royal lantern]

"you mean THIS fire aoe does dmg?????" every raider every, every single raidtier again

[dark token]

shadowstep all thunder wings

its MAJOR damage save

you dont care on normal

that was huge for me

[bleak dove]

with the dtb with exsang no cttc build thats in the pins do i just send deathmark when its up or hold it to sync with exsang

[wide gorge]

!whisper

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

dont play no cttc

just dont

[magic vine]

if you're playing something that degenerate you should probably be running the sim and checking its ability usage

[limber lion]

Send Deathmark on cd, sync Exsang with Deathmark

[bleak dove]

ty

[magic vine]

also all the edge case builds are such slim gains that if you execution error anything you've probably lost the gain

[limber lion]

The amount of times I've pressed Deathmark before Exsang is pretty nuts

[royal lantern]

yes

🙂

[limber lion]

Also I've pressed Exsang before refreshing Rupture a few times as well :D

[royal lantern]

and then that voice in your head telling you "fuck, use exsang NOW"

[limber lion]

I honestly do that and just say fuck it

[royal lantern]

taking punishment like a man

[limber lion]

My dps spikes up hard for 5s

then drops immediately

[spice spire]

We’re all in the bone zone now buddy

[dark token]

SAME

its quite annoying the piano opener

esp with puzzlebox

i forget puzzlebox or forget exang so many times

[royal lantern]

4set now

[spice spire]

Huge

[royal lantern]

3normal 1 hc

fuck, 4set is cursed

no more 34% crit, its 33%now

[dark token]

FUCK i didnt meet 34% threshhold

[modern dust]

Been always using combo points at max points only. Never max -1. Guess that’s big dps loss?

[royal lantern]

yes

like, really big

[modern dust]

Trying to learn and optimize

[royal lantern]

that means you use mut sometimes for 1 cp when it always gives 2cp minimum lol

[modern dust]

Yeah 👀

Well let’s see if I can get closer to sim dps with that change

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s no good

[unkempt burrow]

I’m frequently using envenom at 4cp is that also a major problem

[royal lantern]

yes

you always do finishers at maximum cp or 1before max

that is 5 or 6 right now

[modern dust]

I’ll let you know tomorrow how much more dps I’ll get 😋

Zzzz time now

Ty

[paper pawn]

temple jade dungeon, kb+ic or dtb? what do you guys think?

[balmy condor]

It’s fort, so kb/if

[royal lantern]

its jadetemple, warlock

10/10 boss desing btw

[keen viper]

do u change talents for raid ?

[brazen zodiac]

depends on the day

[keen viper]

i mean for single target which do u prefer?

🙂

[brazen zodiac]

haha i like kings

[dark token]

does anyone know a WA or anything for showing when you will tp away when you shadowstep a boss

there are situations on sennarth if i press shadowstep i remain in place

and sometimes i tp ahead

[frail niche]

Hey. Been wondering for a bit. In prolonged fights (well, mainly raid encounters) when out of tea charges and energy is low, should we pool a bit like in the past or just keep spamming casts?

[oblique jackal]

Will we ever use sepsis ?

[keen viper]

Which talent tree you prefer for raiding ? XD

[frail niche]

Rn using poison DTB, as that one sims the highest

[thorny pond]

You can pool to keep envenom uptime high, yes.

[thorny pond]

No

[keen viper]

oh you sim ? 😮

[balmy condor]

Wait for buffs

[thorny pond]

Stepsis doesn't scale boss

[keen viper]

whisp which talent do u prefer in general ?

[dark token]

i prefer shadowstep talent