assassination

[subtle tundra]

and its not like im getting invited to keys

[lament warren]

cos is a slog bc it’s all rp

this season somehow more depressing than s4

[subtle tundra]

its all rp or 3 mob pulls

🙂

and st

[lament warren]

bring back grimrail

[subtle tundra]

factual

[balmy condor]

This dude said bring back grimrail

[kind talon]

There’s no way this dude just said bring back grimrail

[balmy condor]

Actual straight line dungeon

[lament warren]

straight line dungeons are fine

[thorny pond]

Actual cancer inducing carcinogen

[lament warren]

the only part wrong with grimrail was oneshot grenadiers and last boss

[kind talon]

The only part wrong with grimrail was the fucking train buddy

My camera

[balmy condor]

Yeah straight line dungeons are fine, if I’m trying to fall asleep

[lament warren]

this season is almost entirely straight line as well though so it doesn’t matter

[thorny pond]

Ivan, the loot sucks

[spice spire]

This mf so bored he played outlaw

In grimrail

[lament warren]

i liked grimrail

fast with many mobs to cleave

[thorny pond]

I also like passing kidney stones

[spice spire]

Wait until you hear about docking

[lament warren]

if you don’t like clearing things fast and you don’t like aoe what do you like tbh

[balmy condor]

Everyone has their fetish man

[thorny pond]

For my boat?

[lament warren]

big number happy

[spice spire]

Sure man

[thorny pond]

I love big yachts

Have you heard of soaking in the dock?

[obsidian beacon]

anyone have a boilerplate(r) profile

[uncut dragon]

hey friends, trinkety question. I have the normal manic grieftorch which is awesome but the 2 second stand in place is kind of annoying. I got the normal storm-eaters boon in my cache today as an option. It sims pretty well but standing in place for 10 seconds? I don't think I've ever done that. Are any of you running it? I'd have 2 on use trinkets with different cooldowns so one more thing to manage...

[spice spire]

Do not get boon

It’s so

Finicky

If you’re an avid m+er it could be good

But it’s uh a long time

[neon oxide]

Boon is nearly 95% of the reason I die in m+

[spice spire]

You can step with boon

That’s all I got for you

[flint tusk]

yeh i am starting to hate it.

[neon oxide]

Yup, running double step, burning cloak etc

[flint tusk]

it's basically just a stat stick

[spice spire]

Also you can cheese movement mechanics ie. Raz and sengarth

[uncut dragon]

what was that combat rogue cooldown that bounced you all around the boss and killed you 20 percent of the time?

[rotund olive]

old killing spree was wild

[spice spire]

Killing spree

Still exists in outlaw

[uncut dragon]

God, we had a second rogue in our raid that would die to literraly every boss with it

so I can shadow step in the 10 seconds to move and it keeps channeling?

[spice spire]

Yes

You cannot cloak the root

[rotund olive]

you can't even remove the buff

[spice spire]

As well

Stepping is literally all the movement you can do

[uncut dragon]

but you can cloak the aoe that is going to kill you

[spice spire]

Yes

[rotund olive]

it does approx 160k per channel though (I got a 395 today)

per target

[ruby sedge]

I take evasion on some dungeons to use it, like NO

[brazen zodiac]

80% for me

[uncut dragon]

are you Asika?

[rigid tartan]

got 418 puzzlebox in vault, the opener sequence with kingsbane puzzle is such a damn pain the ass...

[flint tusk]

70% killed me. 20% DCed me 10% did ok damage

Top gunning people on flying mounts was fun though

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[oak pulsar]

hello i have a question about the kingsbane single target rotation combined with the puzzle box trinket in the picture for opener it says to use channeled before popping cd's does that include puzzle box or is that a pre pull type thing

[balmy condor]

Puzzle box is a channeled trinket and is thus included

[oak pulsar]

ok perfect thank you

[normal mist]

IM TRIGGERED

thats council fight

i ended 100k dps but for SOME REASON

after bosses ALL died

dps was still counting!

[steel ridge]

[lament warren]

that boss is really ass if they don’t all die at the same time

[next dune]

...... So?

[lament warren]

you can lose 10k+ dps on other specs

i’ve lost 150ks on sub to it

i hate council

[normal mist]

nono, they all died, and i was at 100k, but even tho every single one was dead, there was a delay until the fight actually ended

[outer cairn]

should i just hold onto my spark? I have 405 and 402 daggers, 4p tier, 405 lariat. not sure what i'd craft except cowl if i had the ring but don't

[next dune]

But did you kill the boss?

[normal mist]

oh yeah

[next dune]

Then quit ya belly aching

[normal mist]

?

whats your problem lol

[oak sky]

@balmy condor i played no iron wire sin (in shadowmoon burial grounds)

[lament warren]

[outer cairn]

he's new here and no one said hi

[normal mist]

i guess

[lament warren]

showed up literally to talk shit to you

goated

[normal mist]

i mean damn take a chill pill xD

[balmy condor]

[violet moat]

does sin have 2 target rupture like sub?

[royal lantern]

with tab targeting, yes

[outer cairn]

8 actually

[strange python]

maintaining over 3 ruptures takes too much brainpower

doing 2 and just spamming CT is easier for smoothbrains like me

[royal lantern]

[violet moat]

oh i see carnage talent

[vernal walrus]

where can i see a simlation of t29 bonus?

i mean for each class

who benefits more

[cold summit]

is assasination good in m+? like can compete with outlaw?

[tacit pebble]

if played at the same level it is almost certainly worse than outlaw, but it is very much good still.

[royal lantern]

eh, outlaw has the adventage thats its almost by desing always gonna be really good, bladeflurry is insane cus it just means "ST is AoE" unless its tuned really low

BUT assassination is also really good right now

not havoc/mm/ww levels of strong, but really good

[cold summit]

gotcha thank you!

[royal lantern]

+if you play assa, you are not a yahtzee pirate

thats always a win

[normal mist]

^ legit

[prisma cypress]

any idea why assassination appears to fall off in the mythic raid? is it because there's more adds/aoe or what? i haven't started mythic yet

[royal lantern]

it falls off....?

[prisma cypress]

i know it's still good, but relative to outlaw and subtlety it does, yeah, at least based on some of the log ranking stuff

[magic vine]

its lower on overall but i'm pretty sure its higher on bosses by a decent clip

so its not really falling off, its what damage profile does your raid need from you

(and execute specs are always pretty good on harder difficulties imo)

[dark token]

so far i play sin on terros/sennarth and sub on eranog/primal

probably sin on broodkeeper/kurog, sub on razageth/dathea

idk

[magic vine]

like there isn't a ton of public parses on the later bosses, but just flipping it from "all damage" to "damage to bosses" for mythic logs pushes sin above the rest

[subtle tundra]

well yea

but imagine if sub played like assa just for st

[twin wren]

anyone got pvp builds? and what stat should i focus

[subtle tundra]

it would do the same

[swift dagger]

Rogues have it good this tier, all specs extremely competitive, DF not having bullshit like conduit energy/covenants. Life is good.

[subtle tundra]

but sub can do aoe dmg aswell

[swift dagger]

Life is good.

[royal lantern]

and then the crash next tier happens

[swift dagger]

gonna enjoy while it lasts

we're probably getting nerfed to hell soon, cuz RWF is over or is this probs not happening?

[royal lantern]

eh, blizz has winterbreak rn

but yeha, expect nerfs

[swift dagger]

yeah but afterwards

[royal lantern]

like, just hope they dont go full "say bye to your kneecaps"

but most balance stuff they did is reasonable rn

[vestal wren]

btw. just keep in mind that the mythic statistic is still only the first 3 bosses

[royal lantern]

except some hickups like "resto druid 5%more healing"

[vestal wren]

and those include one of the best fights for subtlety

[swift dagger]

Cant wait for more reasonable nerfs and how Ravenholdt will be in shambles again with fotm rerollers

[royal lantern]

you mean like when rogue got I N S A N E 3% nerfs?

[tacit pebble]

i'd imagine among higher level guilds rogues are generally a bit better geared than most classes because of the return of effectively master looter and how good they are. Atleast in my experience I got hella fed lol

[dense herald]

At what point does KB build start simming higher than DTB? Some of the most geared rogues are simming insane numbers as KB build, does it like a certain stat or something? Can’t work it out

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

it sounds stupid but

it sims higher when it sims higher

like really

[tacit pebble]

puzzle box was the piece that shifted it for me

[dense herald]

I mean that’s a productive comment tyran ty

[royal lantern]

all builds for assa rogue are EXTREMELY close rn, for some people X sims higher, for some Y, and for the next Z

[dense herald]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dull crypt]

There's a pin in this channel that mentions it, most of it is to do whether you have 2-set, 4-set, no set, specific trinkets et cetera

It's all so close you should just play what you are most comfortable with though

By the time you master build X your gear might've changed and build Y might be 0.2% better

[oblique kiln]

does sim let me pick lower than rank 3 gems?

[arctic bobcat]

Is it possible to see someone like whispyrs logs online?

[dull crypt]

You can filter top 100s on warcraftlogs, might be what you're after

[normal mist]

Boys, after tonight's raid, im happy to say that my dps has increased a lot from last week, which makes me really happy

(that's normal raid)

[royal lantern]

gz man

[royal lantern]

you really wanna stalk poor whisp 24/7 hmmm

[exotic hearth]

Is the speadsheet updated in terms of BiS/phials? Like should I be using corrupting rage on fights that I'm not able to stay still?

[royal lantern]

you should never use corruptiing rage period

the spreadsheet even tells you that iirc

its elemental or tepid vers

elemental if you want rng fun, vers if you want 100%consistency

[oak pulsar]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[arctic bobcat]

hehe nah was just curious as I figured he would be in the top and a good person to look at, but couldnt even find him on warcraft logs so was confused

[next dune]

!defense

Bleh, anyone got the cloak of shadow link?

[oak pulsar]

where does it say on the spreadsheet?

[royal lantern]

thats why i put a iirc in

but ye, dont use rage

[exotic hearth]

Yea Im see 4.2%.....

[oak pulsar]

i found it

[royal lantern]

its a simbait phial mostly, the effect turns off when the dot happens

and losing 100% hp happens really fast

[oak sky]

theres an accent on the i

[arctic bobcat]

Ahhhh, thanks 😅

[icy fox]

Generally, do you use shiv off cooldown for DTB build?

[royal lantern]

yes

[balmy condor]

you definitely do not want to look at my logs

I'm a giga shitter

[arctic bobcat]

😂

I'm uber giga shitter though

Seems like my biggest problem is just "get more casts in" which seems to translate to "be better" 😫

[balmy condor]

yeh skill issue is a real problem

[royal lantern]

my biggest problem is the giga brainfart moments

like forgetting to use the 2nd shiv charge for majority of fights

or my speciality: not using vanish during the 2nd DM

[arctic bobcat]

This was something I was just about to ask, after the opener you should use it so you have no charges right, and then use it on cd every time a charge comes back?

[royal lantern]

with DtB?

ye, more or less summs it up

with KB its always "use both togheter with KB" with DtB its "use both charges on pull during DM, and then just on CD"

[balmy condor]

you hold 1 charge for dm with dtb

[royal lantern]

it semi lines up with DM anyway

[glass junco]

Hey, how bad is the rasza trinket?

[tacit pebble]

pretty bad for keys, mediocre in raid

[burnt star]

do we use puzzle box before D.M in opener?

well, after rup/sbs/gar

[royal lantern]

more or less yeha

[flint tusk]

what was your build for this?

[jagged niche]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xDfVZFkXALnNYzmq#fight=36&type=damage-done

could anyone take a look into this log and tell me what mistakes i have done, picked sin up like 2 weeks ago and was pretty terrible in mythic, heroic logs look okay after today (as they should with that gear) but i think i could do a lot better, would appreciate some help

[green harbor]

Bro that is a novel indeed

[jagged niche]

[green harbor]

i'm referring to the most recent pin

[viscid spear]

Regular ol' Dickens up in here

[normal mist]

literally M+ ic+kb build

[teal bloom]

I played KB/IC build for the first time in mythic+ and I was so bad. I have problem not even using deathmark enough in keys and adding kb to the mix doesn't help

[slim hamlet]

Make wa that says "use this u dumb fuck"

Or the wa or addon that gives you how many casts you missed

[neon burrow]

how does one actually have enough keybinds for the KB+IC build. jesus....

[normal mist]

there arent many keys to press really

[neon burrow]

I'm up to 36 for the build for all abilities. and now I need more lol

[slim hamlet]

I got 40 binds

[royal lantern]

i mean, you dont really need a keybind for:

[slim hamlet]

if u say distract

im madging

[slow viper]

is anyone willing to go over some m+ logs and help me improve?

[royal lantern]

shroud, pickpocket, throwing knife, both trinkets when 1is passive

[royal lantern]

distract

[slim hamlet]

Throwing knife?

What if u have 2 active trinks

[royal lantern]

poisoned knife or how its called

[slim hamlet]

Shroud and pickpocket yes, but the others i dont agree

[royal lantern]

like bruh, when do you use it lol

[slim hamlet]

Yeah but u use poisoned knife often

When u cant be in range

and capping on energy

[royal lantern]

how often are you in that situation lol

[slim hamlet]

In m+ quite often

When doing eggs on diurna

[royal lantern]

where you cant hit something for like 10seconds

[neon burrow]

all the time

[slim hamlet]

I press that shit often

[teal bloom]

I remember using poisoned knife at sire denathrius when phase 1 ends before you go down

[neon burrow]

I use knife all the time as I catch up to something. usually use it with SND

[slim hamlet]

Prime spot on shift+c

[grim tangle]

I used poisoned knife sometimes in shadowlands when out of range, with sbs and longer range nowadays, I basically never use it

[balmy condor]

I do not have poisoned knife keybound at all

[slim hamlet]

noob

[balmy condor]

it is simply not necessary

[slim hamlet]

Yeah its like nothing, but not just looking at the boss myself

ofc I try to save sbs if I know im doing diurna eggs for example

But not always available

[neon burrow]

so no knife, that's 1 keybind lol

[weak isle]

but u can throw knifes?

how is that necessary

🔪 ▶️ 🤕

[neon burrow]

Rogue Rule #1: Always be Stabbin'

[royal lantern]

you only lose dmg when You cap energy

why waste energy in shity knife instead of keeping it, and use it on an actual real ability

and you also dont need a keybind for SHROUD lol

[brazen zodiac]

u say that but u never gone farming for skinning mats !!

[neon burrow]

Its just on my bar, I never press 8

[slim hamlet]

Only thing I will ever click is drums and consumables

[royal lantern]

like, pull shroud on a sidebar and click it those 2times you use it a day

[slim hamlet]

Even drums are on my mfd when I need it

[slow viper]

anyone willing to review some logs and tell me how to improve?

[grim tangle]

I feel like even when you're out of melee range you're still in range of fan of knives, which is way better than poisoned knife

[jagged niche]

ideally when i exsang i want garrote and rupture to be max duration right, so it would be worth it to delay a little to have it in pandemic/vanish garrote?

[slim hamlet]

idk I only click when it makes sence, and I feel like I click it quite often

[slim hamlet]

Best is to be ready for it and have that done before exsang is off cd

[jagged niche]

alright thanks

[slim hamlet]

I have fat WA that glows when exsang is 10 sec cd left

So I can get rdy

[royal lantern]

yoo, send

in a dm

[slim hamlet]

I dont have normal wa package, I just have group with all my cds showing up when 10 sec close

[strange python]

I didn't even realize Rae's terros log has the big nono

Of exsang after dm

[slim hamlet]

Rae?

[strange python]

Apolane

[slim hamlet]

No idea what that means

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[teal bloom]

@slow viper I think if you type "!logs", it creates a thread and someone smarter than me can look at the logs linked

[dark token]

did 80k on heroic terros, and 64k on mythic

[balmy condor]

he's a person

[teal bloom]

[slow viper]

!logs

[dark token]

!logs why my dps suck https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ryG2qAQ6dxR4Hgak#fight=65&type=damage-done&source=24

[strange python]

am i lucky getting this on my first vault

So many PI logs 😦

[limpid gale]

wich poisons shall i use when playing this build Raid: Kingsbane - Single target and Execute

[limber lion]

Amp Poison

[limpid gale]

with wich other? atrophic right?ç

[limber lion]

Atrophic Poison

[true rapids]

Do you just use the kingsbane opener minus kb if your running the bleed exsang build?

[limber lion]

Yeh pretty much

[rancid blaze]

what poisons do you use for DTB build?

[midnight atlas]

deadly amp

[true rapids]

amp/deadly

[distant mesa]

what is the talent build for Exsang DTB?

I have the basic dtb

[true rapids]

In the pins its:
BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJSiIClEAAAAAAAJBQiAAAAAAAIBp5AlkQSSSaJJiIkIRiDE

two variants one with cttc and one without

[distant mesa]

ty

[limber lion]

You basically just spec in to the bleed nodes and get rid of some of the poison nodes

Gotta have all the bleedy boys with Exsang

[distant mesa]

I like the KB builds more but wanna give it a go if I get 4p tonight

[slim hamlet]

KB is simming higher for me now after i got 4pc

[distant mesa]

im at 3p 62k was last sim 394

[slim hamlet]

Simming 71.5k

epic

[limber lion]

big boys

love to see it

[slim hamlet]

Have 418 puzzle box in vault

and 4 pc + 418 weapon today

Big upgrades

[limber lion]

Didn't drop an Eranog ring or Grieftorch today, so I'm a sad boy

Yeh pretty massive

[slim hamlet]

Praying for grieftorch tomorrow

Only did normal today

~74k if I get grieftorch

[limber lion]

I would break 80k if I got one, but never lucky

[slim hamlet]

Gigantic

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t6BSiC6aa4WmhxowJa6pLf

sorry 63k now

[limber lion]

Doubt I'll get one in a long time unless I get lucky with vault.

[slim hamlet]

Still sitting on some low pieces

[limber lion]

Small thing but you should be using Waking Stats, not Accelerated on your chest.

[distant mesa]

does that actually out sim it finally? I had both for a while

[slim hamlet]

Huh

I always thought waking stats were bis

[limber lion]

Yes like I said

He should be using Waking Stats

because they are bis

lol

[distant mesa]

resimming it now, lol

[limber lion]

Huh what do you mean?

[slim hamlet]

yeah but this is concussion

[distant mesa]

I used both in a sim at like 370 gear and hte agi beat it by a few dps

[limber lion]

They both give primary stats, but Waking gives more

[distant mesa]

not much

[balmy condor]

HUH?

[distant mesa]

the speed

[limber lion]

Why would it ever outsim

[slim hamlet]

I have so much concusiion

[limber lion]

The speed???????

Speed doesn't do anything

It increases your movement speed my guy

[slim hamlet]

Attack speed

[balmy condor]

I'm irl stunlocked

[slim hamlet]

Let him cook

[idle coyote]

always carry a trinket

[slim hamlet]

He might have new strats

[distant mesa]

Im sorry I confused you

[slim hamlet]

He did not

[balmy condor]

less stats = sims high

[slim hamlet]

attack speed

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

invest in speed

[slim hamlet]

Brb changing my bracer and cloak to speed

feet too

[distant mesa]

disregard my fucking stupidity https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pcMcKoi5eofPRNEpcXW5mh

[slim hamlet]

holy fuck

there is so many things

[distant mesa]

300dps boost

wym?

[slim hamlet]

so many things

[distant mesa]

testing the different talent builds

I also have a billion pieces of gear in my bags

because I'm a hoarder and can't decide shit

[neon burrow]

is grieftorch good?

[slim hamlet]

worst trink

🙂

[balmy condor]

if good means the best trinket in the game for basically every spec

then yeah

it's pretty okay

[neon burrow]

so I should DE it right?

[slim hamlet]

ye

[balmy condor]

yep

[slim hamlet]

+4k gold

[neon burrow]

Aurhora, you want it? Its the season of giving right?

[slim hamlet]

Yeah hand it over

[keen raven]

whens the best time

to channel grieftorch

in ur openers

[limber lion]

After setting up bleeds and stuff

So gar slice gar sbs rup grieftorch

[undone eagle]

This is updated, right? bis for m+

[drifting cloud]

this is just a list of 421 items from vault, youre not gonna have more than 50% of these items realistically

[undone eagle]

Got me thinking regarding Biornskin leggings, it sims more than the leggings of whispered dreams

(from HoV)

[mental igloo]

408 neck from weekly quest fucking cmon game

[weak kraken]

Some of those raid necks have crazy secondary stat balance.
Not worth it when running lariat, but interesting nonetheless.

[balmy condor]

does it matter?

you're using tier legs anyway

who gives a shit

[keen raven]

kk thats what i figured

[mental igloo]

193 crit, 906 haste

Nice waste of an hour blasting M0s but whatever i guess

[ebon notch]

@limber lion

[undone eagle]

nah just me being boring karen, its minor diff anyways so yea who gives a fuck, also was considering just for the people who use 4 set and skip the legs part

[balmy condor]

no one should be doing that

[undone eagle]

no idea, u never know xD but ye

[balmy condor]

I mean what's the point of bis then

[limber lion]

@ebon notch

[undone eagle]

i would defo go for the tier legs, has nice pog crit anyways

[frigid pilot]

gg got 4pc today and eranog fire ring

[undone eagle]

head is the one u dont wanna use for stats if you had to choose out of the 5 i guess

[balmy condor]

gloves

but you have to wear gloves because you eventually wear cowl + ring

[undone eagle]

aha

[distant mesa]

fucking hate this boss >.<

[kindred rapids]

Ah yes, target dummy boss

[balmy condor]

we had to break 4 eggs at a time on normal

to try and keep up

[distant mesa]

on heroic

and can't break eggs worth a shit

[balmy condor]

well on heroic you just afk boss

and it falls over

[solid mica]

how much of terros mythic dmg is affected by our poison? is there environmental?

[dark token]

broodkeeper so poorly designed man

[royal lantern]

put nails on your boots

worked in divinity

[slow viper]

!logs someone show me what im doing wrong please xD

[ebon notch]

wdym

[strange python]

when should i use diurna trinket in the opener? right bf deathmark?

[distant mesa]

😦 afking boss is sadge

[dark token]

Bruh we ran around afk waiting for eggs to die for 2 mins

On hc

Cause she was immune

Lmao

Fixed time based bosses suck

At least you don't have to stop damage

Same thing with Sennarth tbh

She ports to last platform at like 5%

Just why

We blasted so hard it was like 1-2 min run up 2 platforms to get to her lmao

[ebon notch]

its because you missed eggs

as you went around the room

if you dont miss eggs you can just kill the boss

[dark token]

Nah man we pushed to her hp percent

[ebon notch]

yeah

you missed eggs before that

[dark token]

And she wasn't done killing eggs

[ebon notch]

we had the same issue

[dark token]

Wdym

[ebon notch]

you need to kill more eggs

[dark token]

It's 2 per cast

[ebon notch]

with the staff

you can do 3

[dark token]

We started doing letting 2 dragons spawn

[ebon notch]

@limber lion hello sry for ping

[dark token]

And Killin 2 non timer eggs

[ebon notch]

explain better than me

[dark token]

Just to kill 4 at a time

But still was afk for a min or so while she ran around and killed eggs

[ebon notch]

longest we've ever had to wait

was like 30 seconds

[limber lion]

I'm gonna be honest

[ebon notch]

cause we fucked up killing eggs

[limber lion]

I have no clue what happens on Broodkeeper

I just follow boss and hit my buttons

[ebon notch]

[limber lion]

[dark token]

I'm egg laser chief

I laser all the eggs

[ebon notch]

viklund and my tank shouts

"WE MISSED AN EGG WE MISSED ONE"

[dark token]

We never miss

Except intentionally

[ebon notch]

we never miss one intentionally

we just kill everything

3 at a time

[dark token]

Our strat was our group was so afk bored we kept spawning more dragons to send to them

And killing the non spawning eggs

[ebon notch]

what was your kill time

[agile osprey]

Does the dtb build take over when you get 2p?

[dark token]

5:33

[balmy condor]

broodkeeper has a cap you can't bring her HP under based on the amount of eggs alive

if you're hitting the cap, kill more eggs faster

[ebon notch]

ours was 5:26

[balmy condor]

on normal we had to do 4 eggs with each staff

[ebon notch]

so you definitely can kill more eggs

we didnt hit the hp freeze either

[dark token]

Ye this but how do you kill faster

We hit up freeze for quite some time

[balmy condor]

you do more eggs

[dark token]

[balmy condor]

I don't know what's confusing about this

[dark token]

Yes laser works on one egg, we have 2 people lasering

[balmy condor]

okay

[dark token]

2 eggs die per rota

[balmy condor]

so add more people

[ebon notch]

you can have 3 ppl

[balmy condor]

to do lasers

[ebon notch]

using the staff

at once

[dark token]

Fr

Ok

[ebon notch]

we had one hunter one tank one healer

[balmy condor]

make people hit 2 eggs with 1 laser

figure it the fuck out

[ebon notch]

or do that

yeah

[balmy condor]

just break more eggs

[dark token]

Laser fades

[balmy condor]

it's not difficult

[ebon notch]

idk how you just sit around

for like

2 mins

waiting

[dark token]

Our normal killtime was 4:16

[balmy condor]

actual skill issue

[dark token]

I think we were unaware more people could use staff

Cause only 2 eggs light up

Idk I'm not an officer I'm just a trial

I don't modify overall strat unless I have a very good suggestion

They tell me to laser egg, I laser egg

[hexed root]

progging on heroic brood right now

good times

[distant mesa]

this boss

is fucking stupid

we prolly have lower dps

we aren't sitting around boss is at 35% hp during transition

[slim hamlet]

Pugged broodkeeper last week

Simply just kill it

[distant mesa]

I'm half temped to go KB for boss dmg

but im on egg duty

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qFNKyfw1HmXtb6az/ gonna go cry now >.< Rogue is annadorsa obo 🙂

[slim hamlet]

why

[distant mesa]

boss not dying

[slim hamlet]

just kill it

[hexed root]

sounds like a good pug

[dark token]

I LOVE EGG DUTY

[midnight vortex]

idk I play KB and I'm on egg duty

[distant mesa]

im switching to it this pull

our last pull of the night

feel im losing PB dmg

[drifting cloud]

youre not wiping because of anything youre doing almost guaranteed

[strange python]

why suddenly assa have a lot of builds

[distant mesa]

wym?

done for the night, didn't kill it

😦

anyone wanna rip me apart in that log tho?

I log raid nights and that was just 😦

[strange python]

Good lord I hate sennarth

The shadowstep into tornadoes feels terrible

[dire lodge]

am i missing something with the way vers interacts with dots? why is it listed on stat prio as being primarily useful for survivability? feel like a % increase dot dmg would be good if it worked that way

also, is it correct to assume vers is more useful with the 2 set? with DTB + flat poison dmg, maybe a % dmg increase burst is noticeable in the same way sub prioritizes it? trying to understand vers mb havent played much dot classes previously

[drifting cloud]

youre just overhinking it, 1 point of vers is just worse than 1 point of anything else in most scenarios

that doesnt mean vers is bad, it just means you shouldnt have 4k vers

[dire lodge]

ya i understand that part. but stat prio seems to go like mastery > crit >> haste >> vers , no?

just with how much proc dmg u get from DTB, tier, and envenom buffs (like shiv, amp poison) it would seem u could carry the same st logic as sub there. lots of instant big numbers.

[balmy condor]

yeah, and the other three do that better

crit = more damage more cp
mastery = more bleed/dot/env damage
haste = more autos/faster dot ticks
vers = increase all damage done

vers is the least efficient

therefore it's the worst

[dire lodge]

ye i guess. just sucks having to switch stat prio inbetween dagger specs due to how much vers sub stacks. and ty was just about to ask for that

[slim hamlet]

huh

"how much vers sub stacks"

[balmy condor]

I mean

[slim hamlet]

isnt that their worst

[balmy condor]

no

[dire lodge]

its good st

bad aoe

[balmy condor]

haste is far far worse

[dire lodge]

or not bad but not ideal

ye haste is caca tier for sub

[balmy condor]

but like

they don't stack that much

you can swap perfectly fine with crit mast

[slim hamlet]

nvm

[drifting cloud]

haste has just been bad for sub for a while and mastery usually wasnt great st so you kinda run out of stats

[slim hamlet]

Where the fuck did i get that from

[distant mesa]

I play sub some with crit>mas and dont see issues

[slim hamlet]

Everytime I sim something with sub, it always wants omega mastery

[limber lion]

Mastery is pretty dank in AoE

[slim hamlet]

The council trink suddenly sims higher than kurog now

[dire lodge]

i too have been using crit + mas gems and stacking to transition with less clunkiness, but ik from looking at logs and sims that theres a reason vers = mastery for the prio it kinda pumps. so im just in an awkward spot gearing since sub wants minimal haste while sin wants a decent amount, and sin doesnt value vers but sub does

[distant mesa]

is it same difficulty?

[slim hamlet]

ye

[dire lodge]

now it just feels like my haste and vers are sitting at bad numbers for both specs. prob just need more gear to switch out

[limber lion]

Are you simming DPS + Tank + Healer?

[slim hamlet]

Goes for both sin st and sub aoe

[limber lion]

Because that's not happening

[slim hamlet]

idfk how it works

all I know is that it didnt sim higher before

[limber lion]

This option right here

[slim hamlet]

So what does it mean

[limber lion]

It's similar to the trinket in Castle where you need to have it on multiple people

So you need one trinket on yourself obviously

But to get full effect you want one on healer and one on tank

And you need to have those 2 people in your party as well

Meaning that if you have a Windfury group, you will never get the healer effect from the trinket

[slim hamlet]

So when simming dungeon I should prob sim as "none" right

[limber lion]

Meaning you never get the haste

[slim hamlet]

Pretty likely no one else has

[limber lion]

Just sim DPS

Just keep it as "DPS" always pretty much

Or DPS + Tank if your tanks are balling out of their minds

Not having a healer with it is a big drop in dps

[slim hamlet]

I doubt any tank will be in our windfury group

soo just dps i guess

[limber lion]

Prot warriors gain quite a bit from it

Would recommend

[slim hamlet]

We have arms warrior, me, dh and a dk

I believe

[limber lion]

dh bad

[slim hamlet]

Unluck

[distant mesa]

replace teh dh with war tank

[slim hamlet]

Not entirely sure, only sure about arms warrior and me, but looking at our setup it's only dh and 2x dk left

[jade wadi]

what's everyone crafting with their new spark?

[slim hamlet]

Crafted ring because I dont believe in the cowl dream

[sly turtle]

Hey I’m sure this has been asked 1000 times. But is there a world where you take Carnage + poison bomb over Carn + KB for M+?

[limber lion]

Made a Flaring Cowl

So Dagger + Lariat + Cowl

[jade wadi]

icic. thanks

[dire lodge]

ceverion what do you think of controlled technique? got it from heroic and it seems kind of insane

[limber lion]

Not really. The Zoldyck points are really good for M+ and easy to route to and because you take them, you might as well take the Kingsbane that's right next to it

[limber lion]

It is really good.

[ruby rover]

Safe to assume I should be going with maximum quality components for lariat? The impact is still a bit of a mystery to me, but I figure there has to be a reason a Q2 diamond is 3k and a Q3 diamond is 32k here.

[limber lion]

The only thing that it changes is the skill required for the craft.

[radiant osprey]

so how is hunger of the pack actually one of the bis trinkets for sin

[limber lion]

The item itself does not change depending on what reagents you use

It just makes it easier for the crafter to make it.

At this point you should be able to find a Lariat crafter who can make it with r1 or r2 materials

[limber lion]

It's just a really good stat stick.

[ruby rover]

Interesting, thank you. May very well save me 30k.

[limber lion]

Absolutely

Talk to your crafters first before you buy the reagents.

[radiant osprey]

ty baby

i was confused

[limber lion]

np np

[slim hamlet]

This how my browser be looking all the time the past week

Can someone explain why cos ring is simming worse with higher ilvl for me

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sJejtCEW5T7ksNX7kCjzab

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Z423PjtB8RMG8yr24919D

[limber lion]

Because CoS ring is not even bis for Sub

[slim hamlet]

Yes

[limber lion]

Even less so on Dslice

[slim hamlet]

But that doesnt matter for this right?

the 402 simming higher than 405

[balmy condor]

smart sim things

[slim hamlet]

Oh thank you

Makes sence now 🙂

[balmy condor]

raidbots will toss out really shit items early in the sims

so you get high variance

stuff over 1% is usually just all over the place in big sims

[slim hamlet]

Fair enough

Was just looking at it like wtf is going on here

5AM

Am i seeing things

[limber lion]

Ah yeh didn't even know what I was looking at there

[balmy condor]

https://medium.com/raidbots/smart-sim-2b54952aba44

can read about it here

[strange python]

Crit and mastery are great for both. Vers is good for sub, but you'll do fine with lots of crit and mastery

[slim hamlet]

Problem I ran into is my sin really want haste now, but sub absolutely hates it

Sub hungering for mastery and sin doesnt want any more

[hexed root]

wheres a gdkp when you need it. wtb 4pc

[modest urchin]

whats the macro to tricks the tank without clicking on them?

[hexed root]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [target=focus] Tricks of the Trade

[modest urchin]

@hexed root is there a macro where i dont even need to target tank

and it auto tricks tank?

[hexed root]

thats what this does

just set them as your focus

[strange python]

when doing aoe in dungeons, how many ruptures do you wanna have up before spamming CT?

[balmy condor]

enough to not run out of energy

[ruby rover]

sim is suggesting 3x mastery/haste gems for lariat, but as best I understand stat priorities I expect to want crit/mastery. Is this just a case of 'my current gear is total crap so that isn't true yet' or have I potentially set up the sim incorrectly?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tVzKWoSNC9GJiee3WE1a8M

There are also suggestions on wh to use different element gems for buff stacking, but it seems like that may be outdated information?

[balmy condor]

yah

just a crap gear thing

haste off stat gems can be good even for near bis

but it's never really a big difference

[ruby rover]

hm. interesting, thank you.

[balmy condor]

and yes the wowhead comment is outdated

let me see if I can delete it or something

not my guide

can't delete

unlucky

[brazen zodiac]

unluck

[bleak dove]

Finally 4pc acquired

[vast shoal]

got bit of a noob question if your not running Dragon blade do you still use Amplifying Poison or do you stay with deadly ?

[outer lodge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[patent estuary]

what is bis trinket?

for ass single target raid

[balmy condor]

grieftorch

[red tinsel]

How much haste are you running for sin?

[vale shore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[red tinsel]

I went from having 18% to 13% now and don't feel a big difference. Need to do a double check but think I got like 32% for both crit and mastery, 13% haste and maybe 11 or 12 versa?

[strange python]

Hmm. What to run for kurog as sin build wise

[red tinsel]

Idk if I've been away for that long but as far as I remember most people were shunning haste and trying to minimize it the most they can

[balmy condor]

just sim

[red tinsel]

To clarify, sim every potential upgrade? Because I remember Stat weights were a no-no

[strange python]

Feels like shrouded suff might be big for kurog. Or even CT. But idk if IC is worth

[red tinsel]

Isn't Kurog just 2 adds at a time, and 4 at earth phase that die relatively fast?

[strange python]

Yep.

[red tinsel]

I've just been applying garrote, rupture and sbs by hand tbh with a single target build for Kurog

[umbral rapids]

Ye

[red tinsel]

Vanish, try to get all garrotes, ER, then ruptures

[balmy condor]

yeah

just top gear at the start of the week, run a droptimizer before raid

like you top gear your vault

get your setup

droptimizer your raid

and just chill

rinse repeat next week

[oak sky]

have to run a bleed build for sure

bloody mess is required

[red tinsel]

Fair enough, if you copy the SimC text with the vault open it takes them all into account right?

[strange python]

I'm not convinced with exsang on a two target fight but I'm sure I'm wrong

[balmy condor]

yes

[oak sky]

you might not need exsang but you definitely need bloody mess

[strange python]

@limber lion what did you run for kurog

[oak sky]

theres always simming 2T patchwerk

shrouded suff is probably also good

[strange python]

CT probably strong

[balmy condor]

just run bleed dtb with ct

[strange python]

Without exsang or with

[balmy condor]

could play either

whatever you want

[outer arrow]

I like KB more than i like DTB

but i hate Exs that much more

[balmy condor]

then just play kb without exsang

[spice spire]

@balmy condor I’ve a legitimate question

How much of a loss is it to take DTB but not put on amplifying poison (like just deadly only)
I’m asking for reasons

[oak sky]

im actually gear gapped

[balmy condor]

between 11-13%

[pastel onyx]

oh no no no

[spice spire]

We may have accidentally phased

[storm forum]

damn i really inted last night huh

[spice spire]

To Terros

[balmy condor]

what

[lone creek]

wow bronzed grip wrappings fucking blows

[spice spire]

Got summoned, lost poisons, forgot to reapply

Bit of a gamer move tbh

[lone creek]

.5% of dps seems significantly worse than fangs no?

[fast barn]

read somewhere that during an envenom window I should get ~3 muts in. If mut procs, do I go for a 3rd mut and waste cp or do I envenom and wait for energy to refill (but the second envenom just runs through)? both sounds stupid to me

[outer arrow]

but at that point i'm trolling myself for not playing optimal talents, no?

[balmy condor]

super duper significantly yeah, unplayable actually, might as well disenchant your dagger

[lone creek]

considering that's almost doubt

[balmy condor]

where do people read this shit

[fast barn]

I forgot

[balmy condor]

it's made some phantom resurgence this expansion

[idle coyote]

I have a question Whispyr

[fast barn]

always followed 'never waste cp', but that had me doubt myself

[storm forum]

maybe misread "up to 3 muts"?

[balmy condor]

people keep quoting some ethereal source

for 3 env in shiv

I thought we were finally rid of of it in shadowlands after all of legion and bfa

but we're back

and I am losing my shit

[storm forum]

i definitely remember "pool for 3 env in a shiv window" from a guide back in legion

[idle coyote]

[storm forum]

but that was actually like 10 million years ago

[fast barn]

I'm not asking about shiv though (:

[idle coyote]

I just simmed 10 different builds to see what top dps was and. I use that it’s easy

[outer arrow]

i also recall energy pooling for that

[fast barn]

doesn't mean I don't use it wrong tho

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean your question is similar but actually stupider

[fast barn]

thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[drifting cloud]

overcapping alot of cps with mut is probably one of the worst things you can do on this spec

other than just not applying bleeds

[fast barn]

so what do I waste? cp or envenom?

[storm forum]

dont call me out like that pls

[balmy condor]

if you're at 5cp

you finish

if you're at 4 you mut

[fast barn]

glad to hear, that's what I always did.

started to question it all

[storm forum]

i think nzoth is whispering to us in our dreams or something, telling us to do things that lead to lower dps so we cant clear the raid he's going to come back for later

[balmy condor]

if a guide tells you to overcap cp I would probably first question who the fuck is enough of a crackhead to make a serious suggestion like that

[strange python]

It's 4

[fleet whale]

Imagine if KB, IC, CT, and exsang are all used in an ideal ST build someday in the future

[slim sorrel]

!logs

[balmy condor]

IC??

[idle coyote]

Yes

[balmy condor]

what

[spice spire]

[fleet whale]

You never know, some tier set could make IC good in st

[balmy condor]

WHAT

[spice spire]

How

[idle coyote]

Rofl

[balmy condor]

bro

[idle coyote]

Dude

[balmy condor]

this fucking channel

I cant

[idle coyote]

I love reading this channel

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I am actively losing brain cells

being in this chat

[fleet whale]

but ok, even if you take IC out

imagine CT back for an ideal ST build

[storm forum]

i am dying laughing help

i liked CT in ST

i cant wait to be back to infinite haste corruptions, waiting for my double haste proc trinkets to activate for me to press exang

[balmy condor]

I'm trying open my minds eye and ascend to a plane of reality where IC single target is any dps at all

I guess I'm just not transcendent enough

back to the mountains for meditation

[fleet whale]

A raid could be full of council fights

[balmy condor]

this you?

do you read what you typed

[fleet whale]

sometimes you have to change the narrative on the fly

[idle coyote]

Now

I can respect this hustle

[balmy condor]

with how many people in this channel say absolute ridiculous shit, I need to actively grow more hands to choke them through my screen

how does one do that

[storm forum]

when corruptions come back, we purposefully get enough to spawn that stupid add and tank it with evasion so we get extra energy regen or our tier bonus makes bleeds explode or something

[fast barn]

Aaaanother question

[fleet whale]

I'm not even level 70 yet
too busy with grad school work
but I can still stir the pot

[fast barn]

does it make sense to maintain CT on ST? or is envenom better?

[balmy condor]

you can maintain CT on single target if you're talented into it and not running dtb

[fleet whale]

Historically in M+ you would in ST

[balmy condor]

like for kb/ic in dungeon bosses

go for it

with dtb, nah

[fast barn]

okay great, ty
I see I'm playing right but asking stupid questions

[balmy condor]

overall it's a super marginal thing

sin is a very logical spec

it's not difficult to just read abilities and play

[idle coyote]

Then why am I pulling 10k below my sim?

[balmy condor]

maintain the timers, dump cp

don't waste energy

cooldowns on cooldown

and you're basically 95% of the way there

[fleet whale]

Cause you forgot to apply SND at the start of the fight

just kidding

[runic hinge]

IC with some future 2 set adds a ridiculous amount of damage or stats or something and now it’s worth in this hypothetical ST

[idle coyote]

I’m jk, pretty close to where I want to be without optimal consumables and stuff used in sim

[fast barn]

💀 need to work on my deathmark uptime. think I have maybe 40% uptime in dungeons 😦

shit just dies too fast

[umbral rapids]

aint no way you have builds without cttc

[brazen zodiac]

make sure to bring an apple too

[brazen zodiac]

apples inspire u

[fleet whale]

Ok, IC won't be used in ST
but that azerite trait that made auto attacks increase the damage of Poison knife
that will return as a talent/tier set, and PK will be apart of the rotation

[brazen zodiac]

you're playing a dangerous game here my friend

[storm forum]

i want to hate you for saying this, but i also feel like I would like having an extra button to press with DTB

[strange python]

how annoying is exsang currently? bc is simming just 0.3% ahead for me than default DBT build

[spice spire]

Eh

[deep spindle]

Noob question here, how exactly do you sim for M+?

[spice spire]

Dungeon slice is an okay start

[outer arrow]

Nah, extra buttons? fuck that

you have KB Exs for that

[deep spindle]

@spice spire ty

[kind jacinth]

"Manic Grieftorch"(Heroic) hows the trinket for assa ?

[limber walrus]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[kind jacinth]

looks like top damaging Trinket

[storm onyx]

Nice on it’s own. On the other hand, it’s a progression trinket powering up as ppl die. Still good with out the gimmick. Haven’t compared it to a high puzzle box yet though.

[manic haven]

Do any of you chads actually run puzzle box? Feels so gross to play

[balmy condor]

plenty of people yes

its one of our best trinkets

[manic haven]

Would you pop it before DM in traditional DTB opener?

[balmy condor]

yep

[storm onyx]

Feels clunky yea, but very good

[devout mirage]

hi guys

[balmy condor]

hello

[devout mirage]

one question

my lariat proc is 247 crit, why this?

[balmy condor]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[balmy condor]

you equipped one of the red gems

[storm onyx]

Gems have “proc” profiles

[devout mirage]

my lariat is 2 mastery 70 33 crit and one red primary with crit

but why, proc is so low stats?

[balmy condor]

what ilvl is your lariat

[devout mirage]

402 - proc is 487 sub stats

[balmy condor]

yeh tooltip error idk

[storm onyx]

Was nerfed a while ago no? But ~200 is low

[tawdry flare]

Softcap?

Like - idk if the game could account for that

[devout mirage]

and my crit really increase 243

[tawdry flare]

Report it as a bug i guess

[storm onyx]

I will check what mine procs today

[manic haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[devout mirage]

report work??

[fierce tulip]

for second exansg in a fight, do i hold for next deathmark

[velvet bison]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[storm onyx]

For 4 minute mark, yea

[gusty mirage]

@brazen zodiac

we did it

[abstract flax]

probably asking the dumbest question, but if I'm running kingsbane build do I run amplifying poison or deadly?

nvm dug through the faq

[pastel onyx]

when I am boread I just come to read whispyr reacting to people asking him questionable stuff

[autumn frost]

I hate the embellishment system. I just made two embelished daggers in addition to my embelished elemental lariat.

I didn't realize I couldn't have 3 embelishments 😦

[pastel onyx]

u can remove one

[autumn frost]

Only figured it out once I blew my money

[pastel onyx]

and still use it as a dagger

without it

[autumn frost]

Yeah gotta do it

[pastel onyx]

not a complete waste at least

[autumn frost]

Yup :0 Just sad cause I spent a lot of recrafts at that difficulty to get it done.

[gusty mirage]

just get a +1 sparkle

[autumn frost]

Do I have to recraft to apply the powder?

[flint pond]

wow. did not even realize that

thank you. saved me some valor

[devout mirage]

@balmy condor I tested it with another gem, this time with mastery, and it keeps increasing status 243

Could someone test the lariat and tell me if it's just me who's bugged?

[balmy condor]

bro I told you it's a tooltip error

why are you so hung up on this

[dense herald]

Can you remove embellishments from weapons?

[balmy condor]

yes

[dense herald]

Nice 👌

[autumn frost]

When you remove it, it needs to be done through recrafting? And is there a chance of the ilvl dropping?

[storm onyx]

yes

[autumn frost]

😦

Wasted like 70k recrafting to get a crit.

[dense herald]

Really? Just buy tier 2 mats with a high level crafter

[autumn frost]

the guy charged me 10k per recraft

attempt

[dense herald]

Well then lmao

[autumn frost]

i was silly

and the first few attempts i used rank 3 mats

[dense herald]

You got hussled

[autumn frost]

Yeah.

[brazen zodiac]

OKO

THATS BASED

[brazen zodiac]

AAA

u poor soul

[flint pond]

wait does this mean I could craft double 418?

or just one

[gusty mirage]

yes if you want you can craft double 418

the limit is just on embellishments

[flint pond]

cool. ty

[velvet ridge]

yo, do you hold 2nd puzzle box cast for deathmark, or just send it on 3 min CD, and sync it for the 3rd cast

[flint pond]

if you can get a third cast off then save yeah

if not just use it

wait

other way around. send on cd if you can get a 3rd cast off

if not then save

[autumn frost]

I hate puzzle with a passion

I interrupt it most of the time with my movements...

[pastel onyx]

I have internal urge to randomly move left right left righ too...

[autumn frost]

I wonder how difficult will it be for me to switch from kingsbane to dtb.

For mythic I guess.

Anyone else make the switch for the deeps?

[gusty mirage]

did you sim it to make sure its more DPS?

[pastel onyx]

there are some cool builds from whispyr in the pin

[autumn frost]

Not yet. But I'm trying to match the playstyle that will sim the highest once gear is maxed.

[brazen zodiac]

im slacking

havent done a single 16+ feelsbad

[gusty mirage]

it's okay

get a +1 sparkle

and its all gravy

[brazen zodiac]

rockin 405 lariat and daggies

so based

70k over in a dungeon pog

[autumn frost]

Oh you deliberately chose a different embellishment after getting the diurna ring? Thereby necessitating the Flame hood.

[brazen zodiac]

whats the +1 sparkle

is that the removed embellishment

[autumn frost]

It's what happens if you remove an embelishment with griftah's powder

[gusty mirage]

you get +1 sparkle

[fleet imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1fqVak1Y6XLMX1wqhqJUfq

Edit: toughts on the build

[gusty mirage]

yep lol

[gusty mirage]

about?

your 444 primal molten shortblade?

if you import your character from armory

[fleet imp]

On the builds

[gusty mirage]

it does that to crafted gear btw

[fleet imp]

Gonna re do it if its not just a bug, imported from quick sim tho

The small adjustment on the dbt build turn it even to the KB one

[gusty mirage]

yea the crafted weapons are hit or miss