assassination

[glacial shuttle]

Is uhh.. the auto attack ring from CoS strong for sin? Imma sim it still but ye

[lament warren]

ya

[limber lion]

Yes it's strong, it's not super omega bis anymore

[lament warren]

snd go brr

[limber lion]

but it's still really strong

[glacial shuttle]

Okay cause it's a choice between that and my 2 set lmao

[lament warren]

uhhhh

2 set is huge

[steel sorrel]

And you can farm ring tbh

[lament warren]

ring is like +1%

[limber lion]

Yeh I would get the 2p honestly

Farming the ring is fucking annoying

but having tier helps farming it

[steel sorrel]

would not recommend it

[limber lion]

Can't exactly farm tier as effectively

[steel sorrel]

just saying

[frigid pilot]

is ring + flaming cowl bis for sin?

[lament warren]

yes

[limber lion]

Yes

[frigid pilot]

howcome initial gear profiles didnt have that

[lament warren]

it's an edge case and rogues are not priority for the ring

[frigid pilot]

wats the ppm on ring?

[lament warren]

don't think it's ppm

[frigid pilot]

is it that much better on ppl with fire spells in their kit

[lament warren]

i'm wrong

[limber lion]

You just use the helmet and get the same effect as classes with fire spells

[lament warren]

it's 2ppm

[tawny geyser]

How's everyone Mastery=Crit percentages? Mine is 32% Crit and 40% Mastery...should I equal it out or?

[lament warren]

% is fake

[limber lion]

No it literally does not matter

[lament warren]

sim it

[cobalt hemlock]

so rn 390 0 tier is terrible huh

[lament warren]

yes

[limber lion]

Honestly yeah

[tawny geyser]

How to sim it tho? I only know how to sim "Top Gear"

[lament warren]

you sim top gear

[limber lion]

Good

[tawny geyser]

Not really a pro with the all Simming thing

[lament warren]

and then you wear that gear

[limber lion]

You don't need to sim it

[lament warren]

and you never question stats again

[limber lion]

You just wear what top gear says

[tawny geyser]

Ah I se

[glacial shuttle]

Well that's the thing... I COULD farm CoS... But it'll make me want to my eyes out. Alternatively I could get the ring and maybe convince the RL to funnel me a piece of tier since it's strong 😅🤔

[lament warren]

if the tier drops

[tawny geyser]

Thank you boys... I really appreciate all the answers so far, you made me improve so much.

[lament warren]

and if it doesn't you're sol for another week

[limber lion]

I still have no clue what my stats look like

because it doesn't matter

I could be sitting at 3% haste and not know about it

[exotic parcel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i9LFsoxFmzPSR3SrvrXHpM

[lament warren]

technically for prog purposes the play is to save your vault until you've done farm

[tawny geyser]

Yeah but then what should I gem/enchant?

[lament warren]

and if you do not get tier you slam the 2p

[limber lion]

Top Gear

[lament warren]

and if you get that specific piece you grab ring

[limber lion]

Again just use what Top Gear shows you :P

[tawny geyser]

xD

[limber lion]

But generally Crit > Mastery is fine if you're lazy and can't be bothered to sim

[tawny geyser]

I want to SIM, but kinda confused on how to sim enchant/gem. Do I need to have a raw enchant/gem in my bag and then sim it or I have to have that enchant/gem on the piece of gear installed?

Applied*

[limber lion]

Using custom consumables and whatnot is kinda whatever, I would just recommend simming the best consumables everytime.

But yeah

You're simming 50k and you're getting purple logs

I think you're chilling man lol

[frigid pilot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dXZSJEUY3roDwscrNYEhfe what would u guys choose?

[glacial shuttle]

Yeah unfortunately we finish raid week on Mondays haha

[limber lion]

For reference I'm simming 76k

[frigid pilot]

considering flairing cowl being bis ofc

[lament warren]

then it's really just up to you

i'm literally never farming cos ring

i could not care less about it

[glass junco]

Is it a good idea to craft embellished dagger for offhand if u play all 3 specs?

[lament warren]

yeah if you're not going to get a higher ilvl weapon from anywhere reliably

my 3 sparks are outlaw weapon -> lariat -> dagger

[limber lion]

It's fine. I would personally stay away from embellishments on weapon and get Lariat + Flaring Cowl

If you can get a crafter for those

Finding a Flaring Cowl crafter is super hard

[exotic parcel]

yeah but Eranog is pretty much a patchwerk fight and it's my best log so far, it's the other bosses that are pretty shit. Even tough i feel like my rotation is decent

[lament warren]

also depends on what content you're clearing

[limber lion]

Yeah sure but think about it

It's a patchwork fight for everyone

Meaning that it's an easy fight for everyone to play

[glass junco]

but how much better is the flaring cowl? if its less than 1% then its not worth it i think

[limber lion]

It's also the first boss so it's easily accessible to anyone

You parsing purple on the first fight is really good

[thorny pond]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/opK7W7rtLTdBX14Ck2eHRE
Lariat downgrade?

[oblique jackal]

When do you use Maninc trinket

[limber lion]

Flaring Cowl is 1.3k dps for me

Just sim it

[limber lion]

The gems are messed up that's why

[thorny pond]

Thank you boss

[limber lion]

You do not want versatility buff from Lariat, which is what you're getting with those gems

[exotic parcel]

@limber lion what is your warcraftlog name? I'd like to compare our fights

[limber lion]

It's Ceverion but my profile is hidden, sorry.

[exotic parcel]

oh, why? 😄

[limber lion]

I was flexing my logs and seeking validation a bit too much in Shadowlands

So I just made my profile hidden after Sepulcher progress

But yeah, our guild also private logs everything during prog anyways

[lament warren]

first part of the new spark of inspiration quest requires killing a unique mob that has like zero hp and can only be tagged by one group :)

[limber lion]

So even if it wasn't hidden, there would be nothing there :P

[exotic parcel]

Anyone else playing Kingsbane ex. build in raids with decent logs here? i'd like to compare

[limber lion]

That's fun :)

[lament warren]

surely I will have my spark before raid :)

its spawn time is also infinite

which is cool

[limber lion]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/31#difficulty=4&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[next dune]

If only there was a website that had warcraft logs

[limber lion]

Scroll down and search for Kingsbane.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gMNcQLTryJdPx7Gn#fight=13&type=damage-done

Here's one, Jacobseven playing Kingsbane on Terros

[lament warren]

dagger crafter

[limber lion]

With like 13 more ilvl, 4p, 418 weapon, grieftorch and so on

[lament warren]

so based

[limber lion]

It's a bit difficult to compare yourself to others when you don't have any of that.

[lament warren]

nah he's slamming a puzzle box

[limber lion]

Oh ya oops, puzzle box and icon

Icon looked like Grieftorch

[lament warren]

cowl 1980 weapon 2144

today i am a weapon crafter..

that helm does an insane amount of damage

[kind jacinth]

elemental lariat for neck ?

[limber lion]

Sure does

[limber lion]

Yes

[lament warren]

I have half a mind to just craft the cowl cuz it's 200 dps and it's good for outlaw too

[frigid pilot]

#DTBgang

[lament warren]

wait is that thing uncapped???

[limber lion]

Think so

[lament warren]

that's really disgusting

[echo geyser]

if u talkin about helm, apparently its very small radius

most of the value is probably tied to ST with the ring anyways

[thorn fjord]

Bleh tier helm

[lament warren]

sims rly high for me even without ring

[thorn fjord]

My box was doodoo

[echo geyser]

haste and mastery is good for sin right so not surprising

[thorn fjord]

Dont want to take tier helm because of cowl

[echo geyser]

free dmg effect

is it also bis for sin to use ring + head now?

thought it was outlaw sub

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[lament warren]

idk i craft dagger anyway

[echo geyser]

oh it did change i think yeah

[thorn fjord]

I'm a pirate boi too which is why

[echo geyser]

i dont remember the head ring being bis on sin before

[thorn fjord]

But yeah Cowl is good for sin now

Think even w/o ring its still value

[echo geyser]

yeah it looks like its the strongest single embelish for sin at least

[vital vale]

Where there any balance changes with this reset?

[echo geyser]

un sure if that is with ring included but i dont think so?

[vital vale]

People in raid were discussing changes but I don't see anything

[echo geyser]

just says it requires ring

but idk if the % increase is only head

[lament warren]

not running ring

[echo geyser]

i see

so yeah thats without ring then in sheet

[limber lion]

It's bis for me without ring as well

[echo geyser]

i wonder why that wasnt the case before lol

[spice spire]

It is not, it’s ring + helm

[burnt latch]

[echo geyser]

i checked sheet like 1 or 2 week ago

[spice spire]

It’s BiS without ring

[echo geyser]

maybe wrong sim back then

[thorn fjord]

More value with 4p maybe?

[echo geyser]

yeah that cant b e with ring

because the ring does like 2% on its own

[flint ridge]

Where is the WA that fixes that rogue ui CP resource pls

[lament warren]

why would helm have more value with 4p o:

[limber lion]

next pull it is

[thorn fjord]

Dunno just throwing shit out there lol

[burnt latch]

[lament warren]

nah

4p just increases bleed damage

[frigid pilot]

any gigachads timing +20s as sin?

[lament warren]

this week surely

[subtle tundra]

20s have been timed as sin

[fallow canopy]

time to say goodbye to KB build. tis a sad moment for me

[lament warren]

friendship ended with kb, now dtb exsang is my best friend

[fallow canopy]

I'm not that thirsty, gonna play the no exsang build

sims higher for me even

(probably because I'm only 2p)

[lament warren]

exsang vs not exsang is only 700 for me

last i checked

but i play exsang bc why not get good

[fallow canopy]

rather have the peace of mind of not seeing that thing in my bars

[acoustic sky]

exsang got yeeted into oblivion

[fallow canopy]

why press lot of button when few do the trick

[lament warren]

TRUE

i kinda like exsang

there's nothing like forgetting half my keybinds and then exsanging my deathmark

[tacit pebble]

acquired eranog ring

flaring cowl here i come

[humble mesa]

no tier in my vault, no useful anything. im now 398 and still only 1 pc. fml. I didnt take tier from my vault last week and really should have. Maybe the heroic weekly quest will save me from my misery

[slim hamlet]

Are you pugging or guild raiding?

[lament warren]

heroic weekly cannot drop tier

[slim hamlet]

1pc with guild raiding is sadge

[fallow canopy]

I feel you, my trinkets are still blue

[frigid pilot]

so glad exsang sucks

shit is cringe to play

[slim hamlet]

it dont?

Unless something happened since yesterday

[frigid pilot]

barely worth

[slim hamlet]

Yeah well there is a difference between being a bit better and sucking

Trust me I know both

[limber lion]

Big, grats!

[humble mesa]

both. tier has been dropping and ive been losing roll. This week if we do normal its likely ill get something IF it drops. I did a lot of heroic in pug and its like 2/3/9 where only 2 items drop lol

[lament warren]

i literally just replaced a 356 compass today

w this

[slim hamlet]

Why would someone do 2 3 9 instead of getting 15

[lament warren]

pug groups are obsessed w magic numbers

[slim hamlet]

I know

But like

At least make it in the 5's

"no i cant take this 420 ilvl dps with 8/8 mythic and 4k rio because we already are 2 4 14"

[humble mesa]

I logged off the game now but the first thing im gonna do is run raid finder and pray for tier. sad times

[slim hamlet]

Yea did raid finder yesterday too

Actually really useful upgrades, with tier being a thing + ring and trink

[frigid pilot]

why is that court trinket so bloated

[copper hazel]

#pvp

[strange python]

Halls feels like a good sin key

[exotic parcel]

What is the the best trinket for sin outside of raids?

[lament warren]

depends on how you pull it

[exotic parcel]

i guess puzzle box?

[pure skiff]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dense yoke]

is bronze gripped wrappings still the best embellishment?

[strange python]

what are the best crafted pieces if no embellishments are taken int oaccount

[lament warren]

sim

[limber lion]

It's a safe bet, Elemental Lariat and Flaring Cowl looks to be better though

[limber lion]

That's a weird question. If no embellishments are taken into account, it means that the best pieces are the ones that benefit your character the most

You can choose the stats on them

[strange python]

oh fuck ur right LMAO im stupid

[burnt star]

what is flaring cowl id?

[gilded oasis]

can you un-embellish a piece?

[lament warren]

193494

[limber lion]

You can yeah

[burnt star]

ah ty

[thorn fjord]

One of our hunters pulled mythic bow

[ruby lotus]

there is an item that you buy from griftah (Who is @ the obsidium sanctum)

[lament warren]

like m raszageth bow?

[thorn fjord]

Er heroic*

Yeah

Enemy of the sky

[strange python]

you have to submit a recraft order to re-embellish right?

[lament warren]

yes

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/49itr5hnQ8StmzAom9oNhG we're getting there

[strange python]

does it still carry the risk of droppign a tier?

or nah

[thorn fjord]

Really need a better trinket

[spice spire]

Amen

[ruby lotus]

yes anytime you recraft it can drop if the crafter isnt able to gaurentee your rank 5 again

[grim briar]

If I want to upgrade the ilvl of a crafted item, do I need to find somebody directly rather than just a public recrafting order?

[strange python]

tyty

[spice spire]

Idk how many ways I can find to kill myself with boon, but I think I have 32 so far

[strange python]

the amount of times ive killed myself channeling grieftotem is definitely greater than 1

[lament warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rDaNEQJNgvr7Qg1uqi8Pur

:D

[thorn fjord]

huge

Really hoping for my last piece of tier tonight

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3JCQesiEnsoZQcTbCDtfKq this is huge too 🙂

Brown cow on the come up

[lament warren]

i believe

[peak saffron]

grieftorch usage?

[lament warren]

faq

[peak saffron]

ty

[spice spire]

DS sim

[thorn fjord]

😛

[oblique jackal]

Anyone know when to use Munic trinket?

[lament warren]

faq

[true thorn]

how does spiteful storm sim? i just got it as my 411 trinket from heroic

[lament warren]

it's definitely one of the trinkets

[thorn fjord]

Tell me how im sitting on 3761 mastery -_-

[lament warren]

probably a lot of mastery items

[thorn fjord]

hehe yeah i know it just feels bad

[spice spire]

Same way I’m sitting on 4841 crit buddy

[thorn fjord]

holy shit you have double the amount of crit i do LOL

[spice spire]

We may have a little too much crit rn

[lament warren]

3586 crit, 2712 haste, 1792 mast, 1731 vers

[spice spire]

392 btw

[thorn fjord]

Feels kinda bad

[strange python]

you dont wanna see what my vers is at right now

it aint pretty

[thorn fjord]

I play pirate too though which is why my verse is high

its at like 16% unbuffed for OL

[strange python]

4930 crit but only 2300 mastery

ROFL my gear is NOT optimized ill tell you hwat

[thorn fjord]

Those stats look better than mine

more evenly distributed haha

[strange python]

id take ur 46% mast over this vers lmao

[obsidian beacon]

is ruby whelp shell the shittiest trink

[lament warren]

yes

sim trap

[obsidian beacon]

wdym

[lament warren]

bro

i equipped that thig for heroic

bc my sim said it was 1k dps upgrade over my 356 wq trinket

and it was healing me

the entire time

[thorn fjord]

lol

[lament warren]

it did 65k total damage on an 8 min pull

[obsidian beacon]

yeah, i had it on during an m+ run and it did 0% dps

[thorn fjord]

How much healing did it do tho 👀

🤣

[lament warren]

like 350k

on raszageth

[strange python]

new rogue spec is healer

but u need that trink

[lament warren]

true i did get rank 1 healing parse

decoration of flame op

[thorn fjord]

lol

[obsidian beacon]

fffffff

[lament warren]

interesting

[limber lion]

Okay with everyone linking pictures of their stats, I looked at my stats for the first time in Dragonflight

[obsidian beacon]

do i take 405 gloves to replace 343 or storm eater's boont rink

[limber lion]

No wonder I'm popping off

Infexious was right all along

[obsidian beacon]

(im simmign right now place yer bets)

[limber lion]

Boon is pretty troll, I would stay away from that trinket.

[thorn fjord]

sim it

Quake loves it tho

[lament warren]

can't wait for it to kill me

[obsidian beacon]

oh really. i thought it was bis for m+ lol

[lament warren]

it's

the damage is really good in m+

[limber lion]

Just because it does the most damage, doesn't mean it's necessarily the best choice

[lament warren]

but you will die

lol

[obsidian beacon]

muh stats

[strange python]

my man

[limber lion]

Staying in place for 10 seconds is not really a plausible thing lol

[spice spire]

That thing has murdered me so much

But also

You can shadow step with it

Which helps some

[limber lion]

You sure can

[strange python]

even 2 seconds while channeling grieftorch is scary soemtimes

[obsidian beacon]

yeah, but if i die its the healer's fault because i'm R A M P I N G

[spice spire]

You 1000000% will die

So much

[lament warren]

tbh if u can shadowstep w it

i take it back

it's playable

[limber lion]

Yeah not the frontals and the shit on the ground

Nah still not

You don't realize how long 10s really is

[strange python]

10s is so fucking long

LMFAO

[spice spire]

You have to use your defensives around it

Which is stinky

[limber lion]

It's just not worth it whatsoever

[thorn fjord]

My GF dont think 10s is long -_-

[obsidian beacon]

can you cast cloak while its channeling?

[spice spire]

Yes

[lament warren]

guess i'm keeping decoration of flame

[spice spire]

But again

That’s like

So bad

[strange python]

just get a grieftorch

[obsidian beacon]

[spice spire]

Because you need cloak in some places

[limber lion]

Just cast every single utility and defensive in the world just to get one trinket use off

[obsidian beacon]

yeah

exactly.

[strange python]

cloaking for a trinket cast

[spice spire]

But muh damage

[lament warren]

where do u need cloak

asking for a friend

[limber lion]

You press cloak

[obsidian beacon]

Everyoen was thinking it @strange python

[limber lion]

it ends

you still have 5s to go

you die

gg

[obsidian beacon]

no no, you cast cloak 1/2 through channel

[strange python]

LMAO i definitely thought of cloaking off that rtrinket that grounded you for 8s or whatever

[obsidian beacon]

bc you'd never start the channel when you're about to bet hit by something

[lament warren]

how does it interact with the thundering affix

does anyone know

[spice spire]

It doesn’t stop the grounding

[limber lion]

Too bad cloak doesn't save you from the tank cleaves and frontals that seemingly every single mob in the game has nowadays

[burnt latch]

PAIN

[lament warren]

shadowstep does though

[obsidian beacon]

that's a front of mob problem

[spice spire]

You know what my favorite death was? Popping it during Valkyrie phase then the tank not moving the boss as spears came so I just got gibbed

[lament warren]

depleted 20 algethar bc my feral pressed it on last boss and died to frontal

lulw

[strange python]

kekw

[obsidian beacon]

sim says 405 gloves are +800 dps over storm caller's boon trink

[spice spire]

Memes aside, boon is an absolute meme. Unless you have a route perfectly planned, it’s not worth it.

[lament warren]

tho i will say

it's good for parsing

on council

^^

[limber lion]

Good

[lament warren]

boon + whetstone

[spice spire]

It’s ST is pretty awful

[lament warren]

together

[obsidian beacon]

😉

i should dungeon slice it i guess.

[spice spire]

I’m the largest boon op in this mf. Take the gloves

[obsidian beacon]

took the gloves. now i just need to replace 343 pants.

sitting at 376 ilvl rip

[lament warren]

u will ascend

inshallah

[obsidian beacon]

prayge

[strange python]

inshallah

[obsidian beacon]

well i definitely would've ascende with the trinket

[lament warren]

ascended to heaven maybe

[obsidian beacon]

LOL

oh i had a question about this week

kb + carnage or carnage + dtb for fort?

[dark token]

You can't cancelaura the trinket?

[limber lion]

Carnage + DTB?

My guy

[obsidian beacon]

sorry not carnage

dtb + tempest w/e

[limber lion]

It's just DTB

[obsidian beacon]

crimson tempest

[strange python]

the groundings a debuff

[limber lion]

lol

It's IC/KB or DTB

But yeah just play IC/KB

Much more fun

:)=

[spice spire]

Nope

[strange python]

no having zoldycks sounds like a grief

[dark token]

So the root is completely uncancellable? Lmao

[spice spire]

Yep

You can step with it

[strange python]

cant you cloak the root?

[spice spire]

That’s about all the maneuvering I’ve seen

[obsidian beacon]

in the faq for m+ theres a dtb + CT build but yeah i agree carnage + kb is more fun

[spice spire]

Cloak doesn’t drop the root

[strange python]

o lmao

gg

[limber lion]

You take CT in m+ always

with every single build in existence

But yeh

[lament warren]

does anyone know how thundering interacts w the trinket root

[obsidian beacon]

words

[spice spire]

Trinket is not worth it. It’s a good chuckle

[dark token]

Does it at least make you movement immune

[spice spire]

Yeah you get stunned if no one runs to you

[obsidian beacon]

cev, do you go st for tyr weeks?

[dark token]

For knockbacks and cyclone pull etc

[lament warren]

ic

[spice spire]

Trinket still pumping out

[dark token]

Why

[spice spire]

Haven’t tested this yet

[dark token]

You are trolling

[limber lion]

Depends on the dungeon. Hov/Cos are good st dungeons

[dark token]

Pure St dtb build is awful in dungeons

[obsidian beacon]

im askin' bc i figured ass rogues would go st for tyr weeks.

but yeh frozen that was my experience

it was better to just run kb + carnage still

[dark token]

Just take aoe nodes and you have banger st and ok aoe

[limber lion]

Wouldn't play ST in Nokhud, AV, Academy, Burial Grounds and so on

[lament warren]

trash is always a large part of m+

fort or tyran

[dark token]

It's more like

You give up 50% aoe dps

For 5% st

Is that worth it? Fuck no

[lament warren]

and at a certain level tyran doesn’t stop trash from being meaningful

[dark token]

No matter what week or what dungeon

[lament warren]

id play st in smbg

personally

[spice spire]

I think Cev is implying a more ST focused build. As previously noted, you take ct no matter what

[lament warren]

there’s like one single pull in that entire dungeon

[spice spire]

But the spider pad damage!!!!!

[dark token]

When these guys say ST they mean poison dtb build from raid

[limber lion]

Yeh just need to change the setups a bit. In Cos/Hov you're inting if you play IC/Scent of Blood

[dark token]

Which is absolute mongoloid trolling if u take that in a dungeon

[strange python]

is there a tree w/ 2 SS and dtb no exsang or nah

[obsidian beacon]

yeh whispry was playing a dtb ct build

[lament warren]

gl man your warlock is holding 30 imps for spiderlings rn

also

[obsidian beacon]

which is where i got the idea that dtb during tyr might be a good idea

[dark token]

Dtb is always a good idea

[limber lion]

If you go "ST" in CoS, you would play something like this

[lament warren]

i do believe there is some merit to going sin for nokhud after you’ve cleared all count

[dark token]

A pure St build is never a good idea

[lament warren]

third boss has really trash uptime for outlaw and last boss 90% patchwerk

[dark token]

I would take this but going for zoldyck instead personally

[lament warren]

and there’s only one 2t pull inbetween

[obsidian beacon]

aah yeah that makes sense. this is what whispyr was running and he was streaming a cos run

[limber lion]

Going for Zoldyck? Good luck getting to Zoldyck with DTB + CT + SBS

[brazen zodiac]

i hope ur valts were blessed!

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is not some super duper giga thing that you need to get

[brazen zodiac]

vaults

[limber lion]

Especially if you only get 1-2 points in it

[lament warren]

zoldyck not even good on fort

do you know how long mobs spend at 35% hp?

not very

[strange python]

zoldyck makes more sens on tyr

[lament warren]

not worth

[limber lion]

Gotta go through stuff like Systemic Failure (only works in single target), Blindside (only works in single target), Vicious Venoms (only works in single target)

Literally all of them are dead talents in AoE

[lament warren]

way more consistent well rounded value in other options

[limber lion]

And having that 1 extra point in Zoldyck is not gonna make up for those 4 points that you used on Blindside/VV/SF

Especially if you have to give up something like CT and TP for it lol

[lament warren]

only multi target situation i run zoldycks in is primal council

kinda owns there

[limber lion]

I would play this on Council

[lament warren]

kingsbane is good on council

[limber lion]

FD and SF are bad nodes, but they're on their way to Zoldyck

[lament warren]

the fok talent is fake

[limber lion]

It's just a travel node

Kingsbane is not even that super good

[knotty glade]

Trinket or Tier ?

[strange python]

id play this on council

[knotty glade]

i have one tier set already

[limber lion]

It's either Kingsbane or Shrouded Suffocation

[lament warren]

i play sub on council

[limber lion]

and SS is much easier to play than KB

[lament warren]

yeah i think kingsbane is pretty good

[obsidian beacon]

[subtle tundra]

You're only playing yourself

[limber lion]

If you play KB, you have to setup all bleeds and then single target one target for the entire duration of KB

You basically can't play KB to its full extent unless you use mouseover ruptures/garrotes

[lament warren]

i do that

[dark token]

legion eye trinket problems

[lament warren]

kingsbane vs anything else isn't even the distinction for parsing on that fight

[obsidian beacon]

ugh lariat is a +600 dps increase over 392 crafted pants but i just want to get rid of these 343 pannnnnnnnnnts

[lament warren]

it's how long you can sit in execute and how often your tanks ape and move bosses away from each other

i've found the most realistic success w this

[subtle tundra]

Sbs goes hard tho

[lament warren]

it does

it goes approximately as hard as kingsbane

and kingsbane has even higher end

some logs have kingsbane as like 7k+ dps on council >,<

[limber lion]

No

SBS is much, much higher than Kingsbane

It's not even close in value

SBS is quite possibly the single strongest node in the entire tree on 4t

[lament warren]

i have not seen that represented in logs :'(

maybe they are playing it wrong somehow

[limber lion]

Yeah because you're only looking at the damage of the ability itself

There's also combo points

Low energy cost

Lethal Dose

[flint ridge]

where is spark of ingenuity right now?

[limber lion]

You deal 2% extra damage on every mob that has SBS on them

because of Lethal Dose

[lament warren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NWGn1yCZ7QqXhv86#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=8

[limber lion]

You can't see SBS' value on logs

[lament warren]

ah

true

i apologize

[shut owl]

its also cheap CP builder

[lament warren]

yeah but that's not relevant on 4t cleave

you just fok for cp

[shut owl]

what?

you get more CP per spike

its SUPER relevant per target

[lament warren]

even w fok amp talents?

[shut owl]

1cp + 1 per active spike

[dark token]

i play this in m+ on 95% of dungeons probably. Shows as 1.1% ahead of ur build for me @limber lion. I like sbs but mutilated flesh is awful in dungeons so i skip it for zoldyck

[shut owl]

so thats a 5cp builder for 15 energy right?

[lament warren]

it is energy efficient

but you're overcapping energy always anyway

[winter gale]

I just simmed 'older' dtb with these newer builds, it still sims best for me, Poison DTB is almost equal to it. I get Tricks and Gouge and lose Master Poisoner and Blackjack...I should opt for it for raid I guess.

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fPEA569RLpRMCAqkoevtZC

only 0.2% behind carnage/kb

[thorn fjord]

newer builds gain more value with 4p... older builds still better with 2p and less

[winter gale]

Oh

[lament warren]

ty for correcting me ^-^ i hadn't considered this interaction

[buoyant venture]

hey guys, outside of opener, how do we setup deathmark? pre vanish garrote + death or?

[winter gale]

Im on 3, stupid me

[obsidian beacon]

but carnage D:

[limber lion]

My guy, we're talking about single target focused builds

Not general m+ builds

[lament warren]

how does cold blood interact w garrote?

the whole bleed crits or just one tick

[dark token]

id suspect even on patchwerk this is the best build

actually just sim it

[steel sorrel]

I am honestly happy that KB sims higher for me now like you @limber lion thou I am not used to playing exang so some learning is due it seems

[winter gale]

Where is assa standing vs law in mythic +, in arround 15s?

[dark token]

0.2% behind that build you posted on patchwerk, 1.1.% ahead on dungeonslice

which imo is a good tradeoff

[winter gale]

I would like to try it but I have good life as law atm

Is it also capped?

[lament warren]

impossible to know

but outlaw is like the best spec in the game rn

[rich scaffold]

DTB + Exseng? Is this right to play?

[thorn fjord]

inc the "then why play sin" questions

[thorn fjord]

with 4p

[lament warren]

fun

iron wire

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fHEu3mQSoUc6N1ZEGHN11Q heres the sim, its not really behind at all (check exang variant), and more overall dmg

[lament warren]

deep-rooted trauma

[oblique jackal]

Hey, when do we use Manic in the rotation?

[limber lion]

My guy

You don't even have 4p

Of course it's going to be super different for you

[rich scaffold]

before that its not worth it?

[limber lion]

Idk what you're getting at

[dark token]

fair enough

[limber lion]

If it sims better for you

[dark token]

skill issue i guess

[limber lion]

Then rock it

Doesn't matter

[dark token]

just loot 4p

[winter gale]

@limber lion thanks for explanation in the pins*

[limber lion]

[lament warren]

i went from 0p to 4p in 2 days

here's how you can too:

(be fed by loot council)

[oblique jackal]

0 tier has dropped from raid for me

[dark token]

nah the tier literally did not drop

im pretty sure im first prio on the roguie tier token

but all we got was mail

[lament warren]

that's our feral's situation rn

i feel rly bad for him

[thorn fjord]

Not really 4p amps your bleed dmg so you'd want 4p for dtb exsang

[steel sorrel]

Same happened to me, 2 from normal and 2 from Hc day after xD Also lootcouncil ❤

[lament warren]

tokens just not dropping

same

[thorn fjord]

if you want to play exsang run KT build

[dark token]

the tier that dropped week2 is the 2pc i already got

same in my vault

[lament warren]

that's what happened to the other rogue in my guild

so i got them :^)

and went 2->4

[dark token]

ye

[limber lion]

@lament warren Basically Kingsbane and Shrouded Suffocation sim the same, but Kingsbane assumes perfect play. SBS sims 1.8k dps more than perfect Kingsbane.

[thorn fjord]

The evoker and warrior had prio over my on tier

[limber lion]

Oops didn't mean to reply there sorry lmao

[lament warren]

interesting

[limber lion]

But yeah Kingsbane is fun in single, much rather play this than DTB

[lament warren]

thank you

[dark token]

warrior

[lament warren]

i know the conversation is kinda dumb bc the sims exist but i find them fun to have

[thorn fjord]

Warrior is RL lol

[lament warren]

ty for entertaining it

[dark token]

nice officer bias

[burnt latch]

fuck u kurog

[limber lion]

Grats!

[burnt latch]

danke sir!

[limber lion]

We're starting now

[lament warren]

grats

[burnt latch]

gl broskis

[thorn fjord]

@dark token hoping for 4p tonight... sitting on 3

[brazen nimbus]

use puzzlebox before or after deathmark/exs?

[pure moth]

Happening everywhere. Then they switch to other characters and get it again

[winter gale]

Reduced Sprint over Tricks for raiding?

[lament warren]

my guild has not raided mythic in several days bc of christmas stuff

[limber lion]

Before

[brazen nimbus]

rupture > puzzlebox > vanish garrote exs death?

[lament warren]

so instead of starting on dathea where we should be we are doing terros tonight

[dark token]

gonna be honest i pop it prepull

cause cba with that shit mid pull

[obsidian beacon]

379 ilvl with 343 pants.

[lament warren]

just loot tier pants

[hexed root]

vault too hard to choose:

[lament warren]

i did get eranog ring in my vault maybe cowl WAS the play

[hexed root]

Diurna's ring AGAIN and major ilvl upgrade on a tier slot I already have QQ

[obsidian beacon]

ya lemme get on that

[lament warren]

u take shoulders here every time no ?

[limber lion]

Gar - Slice - Gar - Sbs - Rup - Er - Puzzle - Rup - Vanish - Gar - Exsang - Deathmark

[lament warren]

what did you use sparks on

cuz it may be cowl ring

tbh

[hexed root]

i have dagger/bracers

this week I was planning to get the neck

[lament warren]

id sim for sure

[marble cedar]

Why does this rotation see you apply Garrote multiple times in such a short space of time?

What's the purpose?

[hexed root]

yea I am, like... if gloves/legs weren't already my 2set, i'd snap take the 421 tier

[marble cedar]

Just combo point generation?

[lament warren]

max duration

exsang condenses ticks

[dark token]

bracers

[marble cedar]

So effectively just ensuring that when you do use Exsang your bleeds are almost maximum duration?

[lament warren]

yes

[hexed root]

im bad what can I say. wanted ilvl asap

[eternal vortex]

i also crafted a shoulder

[lament warren]

not bad imo

depends on what you used it for

[dark token]

bracers is ok

crafting tier slot?

[lament warren]

shoulder kinda doomed though

[hexed root]

just basic af bracers:

[eternal vortex]

i have no clue why did i do that tbh

[lament warren]

i have to take the embellishment off my dagger to play it as ol

[hexed root]

if that 421 piece was tier shoulders, snap pick

[lament warren]

it is

[hexed root]

just copy whispyr, he'd doing fang/lariat

[lament warren]

isn’t it

[hexed root]

its gloves

[eternal vortex]

want to craft neck next week ig

[lament warren]

oh monka

[lament warren]

i literally can’t tell the icons apart

rofl

[dark token]

sim it

[lament warren]

sim cowl and ring vs that

[dark token]

that trinket also good

[hexed root]

thanks cap obv

[dark token]

just sim all vault slots, then sim ring + cowl

ez

[outer arrow]

Is there like a, best cheap option for weap enchants? like i dont feel like commiting 60k on weaps i might replace soon

[eternal vortex]

just buy the writ versions

[rugged ruin]

get the tier 3 writs

[dark token]

Nope

[lament warren]

writ

[dark token]

Writ versions like 20k also no

Pointless

[lament warren]

20k better than 100k xd

[dark token]

Just go no enchant till u afford the 30k sophic r2

Don't go r3 sophic

[outer arrow]

i can trow some gold into the dumpster to gen an enchant before i do commit to sophic

[dark token]

There is no good enchant that is significantly cheaper

[lament warren]

it’s cool half the players i’m competing with on wcl can’t afford enchants

i stay winning

[flint ridge]

where do we get third spark?

[hexed root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vMexLSwddf8JqtcmdYMUnB

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9W8PSYeY86up7JL5eqoxtg

cowl/ring op huh?

[severe sparrow]

most of the trinkets are simming correctly rn right? i have too many things that proc fire and the diurna ring and dont wanna fuck shit up

[royal lantern]

you more or less go "rupture->garrote->exsang"

for max duration just before you use it

and ofc the #1 rule, NEVER USE EXSANG DURING DEATHMARK

[lament warren]

are you missing a primstat gem as well?

[royal lantern]

unless you are a world first raider

then its ok and people meme on you

[hexed root]

I am, have one made for the lariat, which the neck alone is apparently 2.7 vs ring + cowl being 3.0%

so can go w/ gloves + neck for biggest %

[dark token]

sim this with cowl + glove upgrade

[lament warren]

ya lariat strong

[dark token]

part of this is ur adding 2 items vs 1

[hexed root]

never having to replace a tier piece is nice

[lament warren]

yes because he’d be taking ring

[hexed root]

Yea, I can't sim it w/ glove upgrade since I'd be taking ring from vault

[lament warren]

there’s no reason to sim both cowl and hands because partial value on cowl IS the ring

obvi you would just get a sim that sims less

[royal lantern]

cant wait for us all to spend a shitton of gold on lariat, just for blizzard to go "to many people use the same item, we want build diversity, nerfed by 80%"

[rugged ruin]

y'all mfs over here mythic raiding and we just reached normal raz last night

[lament warren]

grats

[hexed root]

is there a specific proc we want from the neck anyway?

I was seeing the different stats

[lament warren]

hope u enjoy the boss

[hexed root]

and like... gemming 70crit/30mast seemed to proc mastery?

[royal lantern]

99% here didnt do mythic yet, trust me

[lament warren]

yeah

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[runic basin]

@limber lion sim told me following: Gar - SND - Gar - SBS - Rup - ER - Shiv - Multi - EV - Multi - Rup - EX - DM

Feels a bit weird?

[lament warren]

i crit/mast everything

[spice lotus]

can someone link a bursty assassination pvp talent tree more so ST and for arena 2's

[royal lantern]

dont measure yourself against the 3-4 nolifers in this channel

[hexed root]

so do we need to regem to get crit proc?

or getting the mastery proc is fine?

[lament warren]

regek

regem

but you can sim the proc too

[hexed root]

anything special to sim the proc?

[lament warren]

i do crit/mast bc i play all 3 specs and they’re versatile stats

nah just standard gem enchant

top gear

[hexed root]

crit/mast = mast proc no?

[peak bobcat]

yup

[lament warren]

yes

mast proc good in keys for sub and mast not a dead stat for outlaw anymore

so it’s just my personal choice

[hexed root]

right

[lament warren]

though it may just be better to proc crit, unsure, would have to sim all 3 specs in those conditions to know

[royal lantern]

i just simmed gems, and it said the crit master gem with the mastery proc

[steel sorrel]

Whispyr said some time ago that sims dont optimise openers

[obsidian beacon]

what is this mast proc

[hexed root]

yea, I assume the crit proc is better overall, by how much no idea

it's kinda dumb the 70crit/30mast procs mast but whatever

[royal lantern]

70crit/34mastery gems are the mastery proc

[obsidian beacon]

oh

[royal lantern]

ah

[obsidian beacon]

stats hehe

[thorn fjord]

Eventually I want to craft a second lariat

[royal lantern]

i also want to be rich mate

[thorn fjord]

Lol

[obsidian beacon]

pog

[outer arrow]

my dps is shit cuz i'm a clown 🤡

[cedar silo]

so question i got the ring in vault atm and im wondering if i choose the ring and make a flaring cowl 418 or if i take my 3 piece helm and hope for 4

[hexed root]

dont we get another spark this week?

[obsidian beacon]

yah

[royal lantern]

i managed the blessed 34%crit

[obsidian beacon]

[rugged ruin]

any other armory enjoyers?

[outer arrow]

and i havent even gone into gems nor weap enchants

[hexed root]

wasnt on my map. got it. ezpz

[royal lantern]

litearlly everytime i get a new item, i still stand at 34%

its a sing

34%crit is real

[obsidian beacon]

break the crit ceiling tryan

[rugged ruin]

is 34% crit a breakpoint or is it a rogue meme i'm too green to know?

[royal lantern]

its a meme because people thought its a breakpoint

[rugged ruin]

roger

[royal lantern]

when breakpoints dont exist

[thorn fjord]

What week does creation catalyst open?

[hexed root]

like a month

[royal lantern]

but there was a time where people went "omg at 34%crit assassination get so gooooood!!!" acting as if 1%more crit will suddenly give you 200%more dps

when it was never true, they just parroted some bad yt guides

[thorn fjord]

Believe and achieve @royal lantern

[prisma cypress]

which of these rings should i take?

[hexed root]

are you 4 piece?

[prisma cypress]

no

[hexed root]

if not, I'd take helm, but as everyone else says, sim it

i'd go for 4 set over rings personally

[teal bloom]

Its not tier helm

[thorn fjord]

Damn everyone getting proc ring this week

[hexed root]

oh im blind

weeee

[hexed root]

2 weeks in a row, declined both times. HEU

[prisma cypress]

i don't know how to weigh the respective rarity of these rings

[hexed root]

one is farmable one REQUIRES the helm

[thorn fjord]

Can use shell too

[hexed root]

sim

[thorn fjord]

Or grieftorch

[steel sorrel]

Watch me get 3 bracers and 3 cloaks tomorrow # EU

[spice spire]

Amen

[thorn fjord]

Nah fam you’ll get fire

[steel sorrel]

Got Tier on head so need shoulders first

[royal lantern]

watch me get 2x tier pieces on the slots i allready have them

[steel sorrel]

peep

[royal lantern]

[normal mist]

Academy boys, we pumpinnnn

[obsidian beacon]

this is hot

[royal lantern]

no, this is the academy boss

[thorn fjord]

Varas has some real sexy numbers on Academy

[normal mist]

Varas is a whole new level above me

im happy where i stand

[hexed root]

it'll be nice not to ever have to replace gloves this season, but man I would love to get 4 set

[normal mist]

you going for head + ring fire combo?

[thorn fjord]

I’m aiming for ring trinket combo

[normal mist]

if not, i believe its actually recommended to replace gloves with m+ drop

[odd dew]

Is there any youtubers or twitch streamers for assassination rogue? Feel like I am doing something wrong where sim says I should be doing 46k patchwork after 5 minutes and I'm on 37k

[normal mist]

with bl,

pot

totems

flasks

etc?

[odd dew]

i turned all buffs off

[rocky ruin]

which ST raid buff pulls ahead with 2 and 4 set?

[hexed root]

405 ilvl but no 4pc. First world problems.

[thorn fjord]

Just thinking about all the juicy dmg once you do get it

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/boku-no-hero-academia-head-bang-midoriya-izuku-deku-gif-9214816

[peak bobcat]

M+ gamer problems

[rocky ruin]

does the 20% poison damage from tier affect kingsbane?

[hexed root]

truuueeee. give me that catalyst

[limber lion]

Cos ring everytime.

[humble mesa]

well well.. LFR paid off somewhat. problem is my 1 single tier piece is my helm lol

[royal lantern]

idk if i would even use lfr stuff

like bruh, its so low ilvl

not worth

[tender kelp]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[humble mesa]

yeah except if i get the tier piece i may actually use it for the 2piece. ill sim

[mental flower]

Is simcraft still a thing? I downloaded what I thought was the latest build but the graphic in the app is showing shadowlands?

[humble mesa]

im still using it

[thorn fjord]

can use raidbots.com @mental flower

[mental flower]

good shout, thank you 🙂

[boreal cloud]

when should I use algethars puzzle box in IC m+ build? directly after garrote/echoing/rupture or should I wait til after CT?

[lament ore]

Should I take Controlled Current Technique (Cant be upgraded with valor)over 2 piece (Pants that can be upgraded with valor) from my vault?

[copper hazel]

Sim

it

[pseudo hamlet]

Question about the talent points that are in the pins:
Wouldn't it be better to get +20% bonus Atrophic poison effect(3,6%) + Blackjack instead of TotT + Gouge? Especially during raiding.

[runic basin]

So what is the correct opener with dtb bleed + exsang?

[cedar silo]

the helm is 3 piece

the ring would mean i get rid of lariot for flaring cowl

what should i choose?

[pseudo hamlet]

The helm is just 411ilvl and you will be able to craft it soon with the "catalyst".

[obsidian beacon]

question for m+. in aoe pulls, am i spamming CT at 5 cp or only re-applying CT when it's about to fall off?

[pseudo hamlet]

Spam if 6 or more targets

and you aren't energy starved

[obsidian beacon]

kk thanks

[sick monolith]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eHbwBwALx1G5gMHZ5HLAWm what happened to Grieftorch not being BiS? 😦

[subtle tundra]

10 ilvls happened

compare same difficulty and you get your answer

[obsidian beacon]

my ruby whelp shell did .4% overall dps in this 12 Nokhud 👍

[distant mesa]

now its that or wait for 4p

[normal mist]

12 RLP w/o BL

man im proud of myself today, beating my old records

[patent harbor]

Sorry, very vague question here but if I were to only learn either assassination or sub for raiding, which would be preferred? (I am not necessarily looking for top numbers if the two are close and I know asn would be preferred for council fights, probably?)

[limber lion]

Why?

Just make Lariat + Flaring Cowl

[cedar silo]

and drop 418 wep?

that feels weird

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

[limber lion]

Why would you drop your 418 weapon?

You just remove the embellishment from it

and use it without the embellishment

lol.

[grizzled jay]

ye the cap isnt to crafted gear

its to having embellishments

[cedar silo]

ohhh shit

thats right

[grizzled jay]

you just drop the fang/grip on weapon

and get flaring cowl + lariat

[obsidian beacon]

which boss

[normal mist]

overall

[humble mesa]

weapon embellish hardly does any damage anyway

[obsidian beacon]

probably what's most fun to you

sin / sub are pretty close (if you're imexile). but you can't go wrong with either on st it looks like

[obsidian beacon]

pog

[patent harbor]

I prefer assassination only thematically, I have never attempted a dot management class, used to main lock but only dabbled in affliction

[obsidian beacon]

i'm still doing ~45-50k overall in 12-13s. meh

[obsidian beacon]

the dot maintenance isn't terrible.

[patent harbor]

I couldn't even tell you what sub's "gimmick" is other than that I know they tend to use thistle tea and have a big burst window

[obsidian beacon]

secret technique + shadow dance probs

[cloud moat]

Time for the same question that gets asked here every 5 hours yet I don't remember: What gems were the optimal ones for Lariat

[distant mesa]

so while sims show the torch being lower, WCL everyone rogue wise is using it

[patent harbor]

Sorry, one more pretty basic question. I have not messed much with the new UI customization features, I assume it's still nowhere close to WeakAuras?

[cloud moat]

No

[thorn fjord]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[winter gale]

Can some1 guide me to the opener for DTB?

[steel sorrel]

#assassination-faq

#assassination-faq message mabye this works for you fam

[peak jungle]

Haven't played sin since early SL. How does it compare in difficulty (to play relatively optimally) to sub in raid? I'm feeling like i'm just not performing as well as I could as sub at the moment.

[steel sorrel]

Make sure you read pinned message also, it may have some effect for you aswell.

[outer cairn]

hmm. vault tells me to take hc versions of tier gloves to repalce normals, but hc helmet sitting in vault at 408 which would give me 3p, meaning more than likely to get 4p tonight

[placid quartz]

can you uncraft the embellished crafted gear?

[steel sorrel]

Yes

[placid quartz]

and it give the spark back?

[placid quartz]

i've tried googling? how do?

[steel sorrel]

ah no! you can only remove the embellishment

[placid quartz]

ah, gotcha

how do you remove the embellishment?

oh, looks like Griftah?

[steel sorrel]

Yes, griftah sells an item apparently. Havent tried it but someone else said its the way

[placid quartz]

cool, thanks for the assist

[thorn fjord]

Could possibly hold to see what you do get tonight

[thorn fjord]

I got lucky and got a 411 tier helm

[keen raven]

actual pain

[distant mesa]

big oof

I have this

[thorn fjord]

Feelsbad

[outer cairn]

maybe we get get aotc this week, maybe not. depends on how diurna goes again. I went with helm. side grade, but can be upgraded twice still since it was m+ slot. hc gloves i can snag as a replacement eventually and other pieces I think I can hopeully get some decent upgrades from this week being an easier week to push. getting that 4p I think is going to be such a % increase, that it beats any other options

[distant mesa]

want the torch, but want the 3p for chance at 4p

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I’m hoping for 4p tonight

Believe and achieve my friend

[outer cairn]

just need chest or pants.

[obsidian beacon]

[thorn fjord]

I got chest last week and it was in my vault today

Bleh

[obsidian beacon]

!flaringcowl

nope damn

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cLBdmQADxdELSSZwmNy5v1

The whelp trinket really is terrible.

[limber lion]

What were you hoping to achieve with that command?

[obsidian beacon]

I wanted to see how good of a craft it was.

[limber lion]

Simming helps

Different for everyone

[obsidian beacon]

yeh

[tall jay]

Is there a guide to what we should craft with our sparks? I will@have 3 soon

[distant mesa]

I'm struggle bussing this trinket/tier choice right now, because torch is BiS at same ilvl the Icon trink is but my torch went normal and icon went heroic sim shows Icon but I dont wanna

[celest ruin]

can we use our third spark for a non embelished 418 dagger?

[pseudo hamlet]

@limber lion what do you think? Or the gain from the Master Poisoner isn't worth it?

[steel sorrel]

#assassination-faq message Scroll down a little, but you should sim it! Different for everyone it seems 😊

[steel sorrel]

What? ofc you can, noone is stopping you xD

Unless its unique equipped but the tooltip should state this.

[limber lion]

Yes, you should do this.

[deft vault]

our opener with exsang dtb is the samer as exsang kb right?

[steel sorrel]

Personally I will save my 3rd spark for crafting cowl if I get the ring in 2 weeks time

[cedar silo]

take 421 ring make 418 cowl instead of taking 3 piece?

helm is 3 piece and i feel stats on helm is bad

[steel sorrel]

I would tbh, bigger chanse for more tier in the future and worst case you can make tier in a few weeks prob in catalyst.

[cedar silo]

were pushing terros this week so i need biggest dmg increase but i feel long haul its def ring and cowl

but obviously biggest instant would be 4 piece

[steel sorrel]

Well you could wait and see, tell lootcouncil you have 3 pc with vault and mabye they can funnel you a piece? Dont have to pick anything from vault until last second I guess 🙂

[cedar silo]

thats what they told me to wait till i do the weekly if i get 4 piece i take it if not they want me to wait

cause im not first in line for ring at all

so this is the only chance getting it

is by vault

[raven hawk]

A bit late on the post but kingsbane if it replaced shiv the reverse of from legion to bfa where shiv replaces KB. But both are good fun

[quartz crater]

Which would you boys grab for pvp

[pseudo hamlet]

Keep in mind that you will get 4PC eventually. If you're hard progressing - go for the highest DPS ugprade. If you don't - go for the better item that has lower chance of drop(like highest ilvl trinket or something from M+).

[cedar silo]

well i keepo lariot drop wep embelishment replace the 389 arcane ring for fire ring and get cowl