assassination

[balmy condor]

but if you think it's not visible enough I'm open to suggestions

[empty crane]

is dragon temp or kingsbane build better in vault atm?

[tawny chasm]

maybe dumb question as i'm learning mut but does refreshing bleeds for pandemic during deathmark mess anything up? i should just maintain bleeds like normal right? ty for the help!

[balmy condor]

they're very similar, dragon temp is typically better

[balmy condor]

it does not

[dense cedar]

why learn mut

when u can learn hound

@dense jetty

Should I apply garrote to my main target or will that overwrite the rupture? are we allowed more than 1 bleed per target?

[tawny chasm]

last time i played assassination was in SoO and blindside as an ability existed

i liked that button

[dense cedar]

i mean

the talent mostly replicates it

[tawny chasm]

yea but did it purple ambush swirly animation RIP

[clever vigil]

Its ok I just did not expect it between misc and table of contents. Which also can be some weird mobile phone variatio. I know now where to look so it should be fine

[thorny aurora]

Between both m+ builds, is there one preferred on tyrannical? One that gives more ST for bosses maybe?

[marble hemlock]

go kb/ic

regardless of weeks

making major adjustments based on week is a bad idea, and typically youd want better burst aoe as youre likely to pull bigger in tyrannical weeks, not have less aoe

[thorny aurora]

I thought a majority of people were going dtb 😮

i'll try out kb/ic then, thanks!

[royal lantern]

IC aoe silence is a drug, cant go without it anymore

[marble hemlock]

its a fairly common misconception that tyrannical = more boss damage needed, when thats not really the case. you save the most time being able to pull bigger trashpulls, and the issue on tyrannical is living the bosses. adding 5k st DPS isnt gonna noticeably reduce boss timers

obviously youd be happy to get more st, but the opportunity cost has to be low or youll lose more time than you gain

[royal lantern]

raid, yeha

[thorny aurora]

That does makes sense

[marble hemlock]

it might just be personal taste, but i really dislike dtb on aoe

[thorny aurora]

I'm running 10-14 keys with a fury warrior in my party, been a bit afraid to try out sin in m+ because I'm afraid of being irrelevant haha

[marble hemlock]

its an awkward playstyle that has a long windup and doesnt really seem to be doing better dmg

[cursive frost]

Just to make sure I understand correctly with deathmark, refreshing garrote (as long as it is empowered from stealth) and refreshing rupture is fine and does not affect DM’s damage?

Have been letting both bleed out fully before refresh

[royal lantern]

weak and slow start+you more or less pray a bit for aoe procs

[marble hemlock]

ye

and i dont feel a significant difference in st either

on tyrannical youll get a second set of dm+kb on bosses, with the second one being in execute

thats very big

[celest ruin]

is there a sim string comparing phials like on shadowlands flasks?

[royal lantern]

you can re-apply, you just follow the normal rules, aka you let a stealth garrote run out and stuff

[royal lantern]

elements or vers are the best

if you mean that

[pastel onyx]

u can click on other channel and then click back, it works for me

nvm u figured it

[eternal vortex]

u know what else is a drug, i tried out sub in m+ and it feels a bit better than playing assa

[modest gale]

is controlled currnet technique good trinket?

[eternal vortex]

isnt that the bis trinket for almost everyone

[thorn crater]

thats manic

but controlled is also extremely good

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor why you still up

[balmy condor]

do you not know me?

[ebon notch]

go to bed

[grim jay]

When did he ever sleep?

[slim hamlet]

Time to Bedge whispyr

I even went to bed at 4 AM last night instead of 6

[grim jay]

I usually go to bed at 1 am and get up at 6:30 am

[brazen zodiac]

so do u drink redbull or coffee to stay up

[grim jay]

Both together

[balmy condor]

I'm a redbull enjoyer, none today though

[grim jay]

Using redbull where others use milk

[balmy condor]

need to uber eats some more tomorrow

;)

[grim jay]

Which redbull? 😁

[balmy condor]

regular

[grim jay]

Regular redbull, regular effect and white monster are the best

[balmy condor]

white monster is pretty good

[grim jay]

Sugarfree aswell

[balmy condor]

I mean, the replacement for the sugar isn't much better

[grim jay]

Did you try the paradise monster? Light green. Reaaaally good. Nearly forgot that, just discovered recently

[grim jay]

True but kcal

[balmy condor]

I haven't tried paradise

zero zucker

[grim jay]

[hardy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/succ-stonks-man-gif-22196046

[oak sky]

theres a pink one

holy

or its ulta rose or whatever

that shit is good

[balmy condor]

[undone eagle]

Guys, is it bad that i finish on 4 cps? Or should i always farm 5-6 cps???

[balmy condor]

always 5-6

[undone eagle]

Happens many times that i end on 4th and starve

[balmy condor]

do not finish on 4

[royal lantern]

shut up you devil

[undone eagle]

Alright thanks

🙏🏼

[royal lantern]

i know understand how whisp feels

[undone eagle]

In this case @balmy condor on ST , instead of muti , should i use extra bone spike for the extra 2 cps to fill max finish??

[royal lantern]

2hours sleep

[balmy condor]

you can use whatever the fuck you want, just don't finish on 4

[undone eagle]

👌🏻

[fierce umbra]

How many pings per hour does whispyr get?

[royal lantern]

sbs is a bit free to use tbh, just dont cap, i like to use it for 4cp/Better chances to hit a charged cp

[royal lantern]

all of them

[grim jay]

And keep in mind if there are add spawns

Big ones

[balmy condor]

I wake up with 50-60 DM's through DM's and discord servers

[fierce umbra]

Oh god

[gentle roost]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

50-60 deathmarks?

[balmy condor]

50-60 pings

mb

[royal lantern]

[fierce umbra]

[grim jay]

Mostly people wanting his phone number to ask our idol out

[hardy dagger]

Time to make a bing chilling build without DM

The fall asleep build

[gentle roost]

is there a reason people are running kb+ic over dtb in keys

i feel like the boss dmg this week is way more valuable

[brazen zodiac]

have u tried strengthened tea? its p good for energy boots and a lot healthier

[balmy condor]

sims higher dslice, more fun, more aoe haha damage brrrrrrrrrrr

[balmy condor]

tea bad

taste like dirt

[grim jay]

Theres the lack of sleep

[balmy condor]

I don't like drinking mud

[brazen zodiac]

u havent had specific tea brands then mister whisp

[gentle roost]

but im tryna time my 18 rlp i dont need aoe dam

i just get windwobbler for it

[balmy condor]

then don't play it?

[brazen zodiac]

but also yes some tea do be muddy

[gentle roost]

i just dont know how bad the aoe fall off is

[balmy condor]

about 15%

[gentle roost]

oh so its a decent amount worse

[balmy condor]

it's like 8% single target for 15% aoe

[grim jay]

ST depends on fight length aswell, no ?

[balmy condor]

not really

tyrannical bosses are like 2:30-3 min atm

[grim jay]

Since the difference is smaller if you just managed to fit in your big boys

[balmy condor]

you're getting the same amount of cds

[gentle roost]

its the same cds pretty much

[grim jay]

I dont know how big the burst diff is with the 2 builds, was just an assumption

[gentle roost]

the st burst with dtb is crazy with proper opener and deathmark etc

[royal lantern]

fought the shadowmoon worm boss?

raid fight lenght

[gentle roost]

but the ic aoe burst is also big

[gentle roost]

do we really count that as a boss?

[grim jay]

Did you do the 2 add worms? 😁

[dense cedar]

i like drinking fruit tea

[sharp forge]

@balmy condor how much is the crafted helm and the ring in % gain?

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

in here

[sharp forge]

ty

[royal lantern]

0,1%

[dense cedar]

why is that emote called catpog

its not even a cat

[royal lantern]

dont ask me

[outer cairn]

hunter got controlled current technique off of grimtotem last night. sadge.

[grim jay]

Same last ID for me

[outer cairn]

those extra hunter auto shots. big dam

[gusty lance]

Hi with the nerf of ER on the talent which give 2 combo do we still keep it ?

[grim jay]

or

[slim hamlet]

Pins dont exist anymore

Used vanish

[grim jay]

[winter hawk]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[neon oxide]

im gonna play outlaw for a dungeon, wish my sanity luck

[small basin]

Could you not just answer the question?

Literally one word

[grim jay]

No

[distant cypress]

Maybe

[fringe idol]

Yes!

[trim zinc]

Cuz people come here and don't look at pins or faq before asking something
We awnser the same question like 300 times a day
We awnser like that to make people look at pins

[distant cypress]

Ruined

[small basin]

Not everyone sits here all day counting how many people ask the same question though lol

It’s just people comparing their sims or talking crap

[grim jay]

People need to learn to use the resources given to them by others which take a huge amount of time to make and maintain. If you dont get that then sorry for you

[small basin]

You could help people too

[distant cypress]

Nobody tells you to, that's why pins exist

[trim zinc]

Theres not a problem to awnser those questions
That's not the point tho
It's to make people learn how to look
Maybe next time they come here they will "oh let me check pins first"

[small basin]

He was asking for a one word answer literally

[steel sorrel]

Random question, do we have anyone who like/are good at looking through logs and giving pointers to people? I cant seem to parse better than 80% in HC atm. Thinking I am doing something wrong perhaps

[clever vigil]

A lot of people dont know that pins are a thing

[vestal wren]

link a log, we can then create a thread for log analysis

[trim zinc]

See we re teaching em

[steel sorrel]

here or in DMs?

[grim jay]

You could appreciate the time others sacrifice so that you dont need to and just deal with a few lazy clicks and scrolls even getting additional Info by doing so

[vestal wren]

in this channel

[limber lion]

You can just use !log and then link the log

:)

[vestal wren]

thats why we have information on multiple places usually

[steel sorrel]

@vestal wren https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NkQz4jHmxrqKTDwV#type=damage-done&fight=26&source=157

[outer cairn]

yeah, you just lose the 4th anima charge cp which was number 5

[trim zinc]

The thing is
We awnser "pins" to make people learnand the next time they will come here and look at pins first

[grim jay]

If you even remotely try to get the info yourself, you cant miss it

[clever vigil]

Thats fine. It was more ment as explaination ehy so many just come in and ask instead of looking at the pins. Bc for them its the way the know

[grim jay]

If someone wants additional explanation or a personal take on something, noone will complain

[steel sorrel]

thanks!

[gusty lance]

Alright ty

[outer cairn]

yep. next time check #assassination-faq or do !guide and study up first then come back with in depth questions. plenty of people here willing to explain how or why sin rogues do the things we do.

obviously the common answer is because we want 4p but hey

[undone lodge]

guys, im a returning player, and just found out the new talent tree, can you recommend me one? i think i got lost understanding it atm LOL, thank you

[outer cairn]

!faq

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[outer cairn]

See above and #assassination-faq play w/e raid build you want

[undone lodge]

ah thank you, much appreciate it

[outer cairn]

dtb is simple, put 4 poisons on and slap bosses. kb requires a little bit more in the open and then lining up cds a bit more when exsang is coming back up, but both are fun to play

[undone lodge]

now, with or without exsang? i prefer without...less button for an old guy is heaven LOL

[grim jay]

Then play dtb

I do aswell for raid

[undone lodge]

can i use it in m+ ?

[main blaze]

I know it was kind of a meme talent in beta but Im enjoying having thistle tea.

[grim jay]

Yes

[royal lantern]

you dont play exsang in m+, regardless of Your build

[undone lodge]

ah cool thanks...and this serrated bone spike is a faction skill?

[undone lodge]

ah nice2

[grim jay]

I'd still say DTB is "more chill" 😁

Exsang was just the example I guess

[undone lodge]

this going to be enjoyable

[clever vigil]

Dtb is the ols rogue feeling

Getting 2 real poisons on your weapo

[undone lodge]

what if i dont have sbs?

[clever vigil]

Why dont you have sbs ?

[undone lodge]

isnt it a faction skill?

no?

[clever vigil]

Nah its a talent in your tree

[undone lodge]

ahhhh

ok ok thanks

[magic vine]

it was a cov skill in SL

[clever vigil]

True

[undone lodge]

i remebered it this way

[magic vine]

they brought some cov skills forward into talent trees (along with artifact stuff from legion and azerite stuff from bfa for some classes)

[clever vigil]

Yeah sadly i cant get kingsbane bc i am missing 2 talent points

[normal mist]

Why does outlaw sim 10k higher dps than assa on my profile (m+, dungeon slice) 😢 feelsbadman

[wary ice]

Sim it with 2 daggers then assa will be ahead 🧠

[thorny pond]

link yo sims

[normal mist]

I'm at work rn, but can sim once I get home.
But it's pretty much 54,55k assa vs 65k outlaw dungeon slice

[thorny pond]

There's so many variables, it's only wild speculation to what it may be

[normal mist]

390 ilevel

[thorny pond]

but yea, outlaw will have a better DSlice than sin in general

[normal mist]

My group is lacking DMG due to my warlock 381 doing 20 to 25k overalls so I might just go outlaw this week

[thorny pond]

your lock doing subpar damage isn't a you issue in reality.

[thorn schooner]

Idk if Im doing something wrong, but when I played carnage build for m+ with kingsbane i feel like my ST is much lower

[sharp onyx]

Should I take DTB for M+ dungeons? or KB+IC?

[thorny pond]

The pins have both builds for M+. Pick which you like

[thorny pond]

because it is

[normal mist]

The warlock (my GF actually) keeps telling me it's a haste issue. Idk man I feel like something is 300% off on those overalls

I've been doubling + some k the dps ._.

Like my 40 to 50k overalls to lock's 25 to maybe 30

[thorny pond]

Well you just added a new layer of difficulty to M+ is all. I mean, we can help you rogue but warlock is a different beast entirely

[dark token]

Just for accuracy sake: my group is demo warlock/mm hunter/sub rogue around 400 ilvl with 2pc each, and we usually get identical overalls (or I'm a tiny bit ahead)

Doing like 18-20

[normal mist]

What's your warlocks overalls (round numbers)?

[dark token]

Depends on dungeon

We spammed a bunch of cos and shadowmoon today

Was like 65k

[normal mist]

Warlock lacks gear for sure but she's doing tanks overall at 381

[dark token]

Those dungeons are lower DPS than others imo

[spice spire]

Not to bust balls but skill issue

[dark token]

Pretty sure my lock is one of the best tho so ill log a dungeon and you can compare logs for stuff like aoe openers etc

[normal mist]

Okay thank you do that please

[dark token]

[thorn crater]

Well I’m running with either spriest demon hunter or mm fury and both of them told me to go full ST for this week unless we get in some heavy pulling dungeons

Been working out

[dark token]

Are you sin

Yes dtb build probably better this week

Not full st tho

That's a joke

[dawn merlin]

Think it's never worth to go full ST, you lose so much aoe for a couple of k more

[thorn crater]

I mean they insisted

Idga

F

[dark token]

Tell them you know class better

[thorn crater]

I was running outlaw before

[dark token]

Or that you are

[thorn crater]

We are clearing 18s

No 20 yet

[dark token]

And going full st but still running tempest

I'm full aoe sub and it's fine idk

[thorn crater]

Getting those orbs for upgrades

[magic vine]

lie and say you're the single target build for sure

[dark token]

Still 50k on boss

[thorn crater]

Ye i wanna start learning sub but my fingers don’t get it

Need some practice

Was hitting dolls for 3 hours yday

[dark token]

All you do is use like 5 macros

[thorn crater]

Still can’t be consistent

[dark token]

And it feels like old sub

[thorn crater]

?

I got blades with symbol macrod with a modifier and that’s about it

And a shadow dance strike modifier to cast them together

Wrong channel@though

[dark token]

I use these macros:
Blades/symbols
Dance/gloomblade (ur st dance macro)
Dance/shuriken storm (ur aoe dance macro)
CB/sectech
Shuriken tornado/tea/blades/symbols/dance (aoe opener macro)

[blissful crown]

Wish i could hit those scores

[dark token]

Only aoe opener macro is slightly suboptimal (1 gcd in dance loss)

[thorn crater]

You lost me on the last one

Also why not tornado with dance

[dark token]

Sorry I meant tornado

Typo

[kindred oriole]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dark token]

Because when you pop tornado

You want to pop everything

And then just do BP, cb/sectech

My aoe for sub is literally

Strike, rupture, hit macro, rupture (optional on different target for dm stack), BP, cb/sectech

Boom 300k opener on pack

And ur off to do multidotting ruptures after until next dance

Where you bp spam then cb/sectech

Easier than sin aoe imo

[keen viper]

is Kingsbane Carnage build still has Exsa ?

[dark token]

No, ma

[thorn crater]

Tbh this week i would go exsang

Bp is the aoe finisher?

And you added a macro at the end having everything together after tornado (including dance after tornado first cast)

[blissful crown]

Can you share those macros? Could be fun to try

[quaint burrow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aGbdcgjZp1Hn36Br/#fight=last&type=damage-done would someone explain how I suck at assassination, I'm joemomma in the log. I feel like I'm pushing my buttons but I'm grey parse andy

[vestal wren]

isn't carnage taking away quite a lot of the complexity in multi target?

[modern dust]

What kind of timers (WAs) you are using for Assa?

Do you have timers for Shiv nature dmg etc?

[drifting cloud]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hexed root]

is the ring only good w/ the flaring cowl and vice versa?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[eternal vortex]

i was legit lost once when i played m+ without carnage...

[vestal wren]

just my opinion, and i migth be entirely wrong

but carnage does take away the pain points of multi dotting for the most part

[dark token]

Nah I think carnage build adds complexity

[eternal vortex]

nah its like u turn off ur brain for the dotting

[dark token]

More buttons

2x shiv charges, kingsbane, etc

[vestal wren]

fair, one more button

[dark token]

Dtb is just sl sin

[subtle tundra]

Kinda just changes from dot managing to CD managing

But dtb isn't helping either with dotting

Since from what I understand you only dot for energy saturation

[dark token]

Carnage build feels a lot better after 45 sec exang gone

[subtle tundra]

So like 5 dots at most

[dark token]

Before, maxing exang, er, kb, and 2x shivs (all St cooldowns) in aoe was quite annoying

[eternal vortex]

honestly i forgot to use shiv a lot

[strange python]

is there a way to cancel storm eaters boon

[dark token]

Cancelaura

Need to make a macro for it

[topaz valley]

!lariat

[strange python]

cancel aura but what do i put next to it

cause the name of the trinket doesnt work,too unexperienced with macros

[drifting cloud]

name of the buff you get when using it

[strange python]

thats the trinkets name,still doesnt cancel it 😛

[drifting cloud]

maybe it doesnt work then, I dont know for sure since I dont have the trinket

can you right click it off when you use it? if you cant, you cant cancelaura it aswell I guess

[gusty mirage]

You can’t

You’re kinda just stuck

[vestal wren]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[vestal wren]

i didn't add lariat because i myself misspell it always, so thought !neck is easier to remember

[dark token]

Unfamiliar with this syntax for pi

external_buffs.pool=power_infusion:120

Is this one pi every 120 sec?

E.g. 0/120/240/etc

Pool makes me think overwise

[shut imp]

good morning everyone

[vestal wren]

thats a nice syntax tbh

good morning blue

[static hemlock]

Go to wowhead and find the aura ID of the buff and /cancelaura buffID

[shut imp]

im new to this class and i want to get better at either sub or assin, sorry if i ask too many questions

[jade abyss]

There is a build for m+ with dtb and carnage? Or is the kb carnage build the way to go?

[static hemlock]

^

[thorny pond]

#subtlety-faq & #assassination-faq are good places to start if you haven't

[thorny pond]

impossible to take DTB with another cap

[ruby lotus]

not enough talent poitns to get DTB and any other capstone

[shut imp]

okay, will do that 1st. thank you

[austere radish]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dMraVRgP6K1jYQC3#fight=last&phase=-1

Hello Guys, can you please check and give me advise to do more dmg in the boss fights
I think my dmg is very low there

[jade abyss]

Ah i dont even notice that :) thanks guys

[thorny pond]

Follow proper KB logic. You want shiv up for entire duration of KB

[brazen zodiac]

good morning

[thorny pond]

Bunch of windows where you don't have envenom buff up either

[shut imp]

thank you this actually helped a lot, more organized breakdown vs the ones in icy or wowhead

for weakauras does that track the bleed/poison on enemies?

[umbral sigil]

what does DTB stand for?

Looking on the acronym page and dont see it

[steel geyser]

Dragon Tempered Blades

[umbral sigil]

ahhhh

ty

[modern dust]

Whats the Improved Shiv debuff ID, anyone knows for WA? Been trying to check :f

[vapid nacelle]

319032

just get idtip addon and mouse over the talents or wtv

[undone lodge]

got confused here, i dont want to use exsang but i got it on my talent, is it okay not to use it? or should i? im using DTB btw

[keen viper]

Which build do u prefer for m+ ? :))

[thorn fjord]

If youre not going to use it dont talent into it

[undone lodge]

hmmm i just copied the string from method guide DTB single target, it has exsang in it,

LOL sorry guys

really is confusing LOL

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[clever vigil]

where can I see the bis dungeon gear and what worldquest faction to farm rep for first ?

[dark token]

droptimizer

[clever vigil]

whats that ?

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/md1HcvLWFP8qQdJWecMXgM

[clever vigil]

well thats something entirely different ^^

[dark token]

this shows the best dungeon gear for u vs ur equipped gear?

you wanted bis list

this is it

faction gear doesnt matter

its 389

either that or look at rogue apl for rough bis of equipment

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dark token]

neck=,id=193001,bonus_id=3524/8782,gem_id=192922/192922/192922,ilevel=418,crafted_stats=32/40
shoulder=,id=200374,bonus_id=6652/8783/8784/8828/8826/8830/8829/8827/7936/7937/4800/4786/1498
back=,id=109918,bonus_id=6652/8811/8812/6808/4786/3306
chest=,id=200369,bonus_id=6652/8783/8784/8828/8826/8830/8829/8827/7936/7937/4800/4786/1498,enchant_id=6625
wrist=,id=195525,bonus_id=6652/8783/8784/7936/7937/4800/4786/1498,gem_id=192925
hands=,id=200371,bonus_id=6652/8783/8784/8828/8826/8830/8829/8827/7936/7937/4800/4786/1498
waist=,id=136776,bonus_id=6652/8811/8812/6808/4786/1808/3300,gem_id=192922
legs=,id=200373,enchant_id=6490,enchant=fierce_armor_kit_3,ilevel=424
feet=,id=134193,bonus_id=6652/8811/8812/6808/4786/3300
finger1=,id=133679,bonus_id=6652/8811/8812/6808/4786/1808/3300,enchant_id=6550,gem_id=192922
finger2=,id=195480,bonus_id=6652/8783/8784/7936/7937/4800/4786/1498,enchant_id=6568,gem_id=192925
trinket1=,id=194305,bonus_id=6652/8783/8784/7936/7937/4800/4786/1498
trinket2=,id=194308,bonus_id=6652/8783/8784/7936/7937/4800/4786/1498
main_hand=,id=195521,bonus_id=6652/8783/8784/7936/7937/4800/4786/1498,enchant_id=6643
off_hand=,id=201998,bonus_id=6652/8783/8784/7936/7937/6808/4786/1643,enchant_id=6643```

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5HtP2ymYRFTrBgUxj2VWzr

example

[clever vigil]

the spreadsheet has timewalking gear in it

[dark token]

no?

[clever vigil]

yes strand of stars is timewalking gear

[dark token]

no its not

[spice spire]

[dark token]

its in current m+ rotation

im done

go loot this

[clever vigil]

I klicked on the link the spreadsheet

[spice spire]

[clever vigil]

says nothing about current mythic rotation

[spice spire]

[dark token]

[spice spire]

But like this is a well known thing since like

May? That we have old dungeons in rotation

[dark token]

this should tell you that

if u mouse over

it says

court of stars

[clever vigil]

do you think I woudl think it is a timewalking item if I knew that it was in the mythic rotation ?

[marble hemlock]

As someone who is in here a fair amount... yes. That still happens sometimes.

[eternal vortex]

if u go to the dungeon journal ingame it shows u the m+ dungeon rotation also if u click on the dungeon u can select at the difficulty "mythic+"

[hexed root]

there's a lot of info/new stuff. it's hard to keep track of it all

[hexed root]

like, if sub is the "Best" spec why is it the lowest parse count?!

[vital vale]

Because sub is for dorks

closely followed by outlaw

[hexed root]

JPC IS A DORK?!

[eternal vortex]

i think assa and outlaw was always more popular since bfa

unless assa was dogshit

[marble hemlock]

Because the difference aint that big, people prefer comfort over performance a lot, and generally speaking most consider assa to be the "easiest" spec to play, especially DTB, so you can spend more time paying attention to actual mechanics and not rotational gameplay

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-paranoid-gif-4974019

me playing sin dtb

[sand elm]

yeh most people wont play the "best" specs if it just isnt fun to play, or at least tolerable

[marble hemlock]

People are also making judgments on "whats best" based off of max ilvl sims, which is kinda... stupid. Some specs just benefit more from BIS trinkets, high ilvl weapons or sets etc.

[spice spire]

I guess framing matters here - If you had asked, “Why is there timewalking gear here, isn’t x piece timewalking?” It would have been answered a bit nicer than a statement saying “timewalking is in here this piece is timewalking.”

When you clearly didn’t know. Not knowing is totally fine btw but differences matter and iirc English isn’t your first language (I could be wrong there) so that should have been taken into account as well by the way I answered

[hexed root]

not wrong. I hate subs gameplay since BC.

[sand elm]

dh for example isnt bad to play, its just boring to most people. thats why its still popular. but if the rotation is tedious or actively unfun then people wont play it. i mean look at survivals history since legion

[clever vigil]

fair point

[hexed root]

make survival great again

[sand elm]

if they made survival like it was in cata, dot based with black arrow, explosive arrow, bleeds, poison shots, id give it a go again

[clever vigil]

if I follow that spreadsheet will I end up with the bis gear for non raid aka the i am done until raid gear ?

[vital vale]

I was a big survival fan in cata

[vestal wren]

its from halls

all the bjorn stuff is

[clever vigil]

yeah the thing was more that it did not say that you can get it currently in the mythic tier

so I clicked on it and saw that it should be not in there

[vestal wren]

all of the items used are in the rotation

[clever vigil]

bc the information I needed to get was not in the data wow head data entry

yeah I know that now ^^

[vestal wren]

yes, it is a bit confusing sadly

[dark token]

bis gear is not a concept you should be following

you should sim every gear drop and equip it if it is higher dps

and sim droptimizers on dungeons/raids to know what dungeons to target for highest upgrades

[vestal wren]

^ best is to go with what you have on a "per gear base"

you can just use dropoptimizer to find out what you want to run quickly

[clever vigil]

argh i hate iteration ^^

[vestal wren]

you should always sim for yourself

e.g. it is possible that diffrent consumables are good now vs. with more gear

i know outlaw does like stones a lot more with lower item level

while buzzing is rly good with more gear

[clever vigil]

the question was more to try and get a list to start with

i have currently only blue gear wanted to know where to start with the most efficient dungeon on m0

[vestal wren]

fair, i think dungeon difficultly is rleevant then too

[clever vigil]

yeah maybe not mythic 15 or more until i got the start gear

[dark token]

just do them all

[vital vale]

Anyone have a recommendation for a bind/key layout? I've been messing with mine but I find I'm so focused on actually pressing buttons I mess up some mechanics

like I still click my anima skill like a dork

[spice spire]

Binds are very personal to the user, I don’t think that is exists.
Like I don’t think no-shift gaming is the play here for 99.9% of the people, but I do

[clever vigil]

So there is no priority que for the dungeons ? Like go there first bc it dropps the weapon etc ?

[vital vale]

I get that, just haven't felt comfortable yet with my setup.

[white lance]

is there a specific assa rule for number of cp you spend finishers on? or do we go with the general max or -1

[clever vigil]

whats no shift gaming ?

[spice spire]

Droptomizer can tell you what you want the most.
Otherwise the data is presented, choose your own adventure

[clever vigil]

ok

[limber lion]

You'll get comfortable by playing more and more

[spice spire]

I don’t use shift modifiers for my binds

[vital vale]

I use ctrl and it's a killer

[spice spire]

Max - 1. Don’t want to overcap on it by sending a Mut or ambush

[vital vale]

Maybe shift would be more comfortable

[clever vigil]

I also never use shift key

[limber lion]

I use all modifiers and an mmo mouse with 12 buttons :)

[white lance]

gotcha thanks @spice spire

[spice spire]

So if DS 5-6, Non ds 4-5

Glad to help! Thanks for the weak aura

[spice spire]

Simply constructed in a different manner

[clever vigil]

One more question can you reccomend a ui to use ?

[white lance]

thanks! was wondering if i needed to change the cp bar for assa, since i havent played it much

gonna update it today, spent way too long on making a simple poison reminder the way i want it -.-

12 triggers -.-

[limber lion]

I just have one trigger for poison reminder weakaura

lol

and the same thing for non-lethals, except a different color because why not

Could just slap all poisons here and be done with it with a single aura and one trigger

[white lance]

hehe ye i had that, but want to make it dynamic with your talents and active poisons etc, and also add custom option to choose if you want to track non lethal

i now works with DTB, if you talent AP/NP and if you choose the option to track nonlethal

[limber lion]

What's the point of it being dynamic though when you can just track all of them at the same time? If any of these poisons has less than 5 mins or whatever, then the wa pops up

But yeh custom option kinda makes sense, except you always want to have non-lethals up because it's also a dps gain with Lethal Dose

[spice spire]

I don’t. You should find something you like and experiment with it.
Firmly believe that almost everything keybind/UI permitted is up to preference. There are some optimizations you can make, absolutely. But its ultimately down to what the user is comfortable with

[limber lion]

There is never a moment where you wouldn't want non-lethals up

[white lance]

true, but there are situations you dont want a central reminder of them, kinda trying to keep it as clean as possible. i mean you dont even really need a wa for it

[buoyant schooner]

which lethal poisons should we be using?

deadly n amp?

[white lance]

according to #assassination-faq ye

[grim tangle]

can we trust the faq though

[buoyant schooner]

ty!

[obsidian beacon]

any good shroud skips for m+ this season?

[trim zinc]

Why we couldn't?

[obtuse latch]

Anybody able to help me out with some log review?

[fleet imp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

Please don’t troll mister yellowr

[hoary acorn]

one question, wispering 408 or controlled current technique 408?

what is better on ST'

?

[tiny root]

hey guys - dumb question but i honestly am not sure. Does armor impact the amount the amount our poisons do? or is it only nature resistance? Would find weakness only impact our physical damage + bleeds and nothing else?

[teal bloom]

I think bleeds ignore armor by default

[copper hazel]

[hoary acorn]

i sim it

but bloodmallet says wispering

xD

[copper hazel]

[spice spire]

Sims of yourself > sims in a vacuum. It also has a whispering mode where you can select who has what (tank + dps, all, etc.)

[drowsy trench]

Can someone help me analyze my logs from Teros last night. Wipe 1: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gjwtag42Hr7BFL9k/#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=97 Wipe 2: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Gjwtag42Hr7BFL9k/#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=97 I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, but I can’t figure out how to extract more dps. The other rogue in the party is very similar ilvl and doing 7-8k more.

Any help would be appreciated

[thick briar]

the ring from court of stars, must be insane right?

[teal iris]

it's good but not insane

[clever vigil]

got my ui down finaly

[rain oyster]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[clever vigil]

now I have to go though keybindings arh ^^

[eternal niche]

Hi guys, whats the best build for single target rn? DTB with exsang?

[spice spire]

Bored log review

[main bison]

hello, looking for a log review of this to see where I can improve upon, still a bit lost playing sin rogue since I just picked it up start of raiding

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9Y2NGjMCxnQcP64F#fight=8&type=damage-done

[patent estuary]

should i go grind halls of valor for that trinket?

if i need a trinket

first time assassination

[thorny pond]

Play the content you want, if you want to grind it, go for it, but don't burn out week 2 when there are other options

[patent estuary]

i will manage my grindiness meter

is the trinket good enough to grind for

is the question

for ass spec

[spice spire]

Onlyrogue log review

[obsidian beacon]

Wowhead has a tier list for trinkets for ass

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v9bqqsNzxc8NRmWcAFDWy8

^ combinations for trinkets

[modern dust]

Can someone link talents?

Whats the !command

[obsidian beacon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

#assassination-faq has talents

else ^ the above

or

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[flint ridge]

is thistle tea bugged? it's giving me way more than 13% mastery.

nvm there's a proc.

[strange python]

what’s the best poison combination for dragon tempered right now?

is it still amplifying and instant

[flint ridge]

it was never that. instant is basically the same with all other poisons. except the other 2 has added effects

[sand elm]

deadly amp. never use instant

[strange python]

got it, what about non-lethal?

[sand elm]

atrophic is our class utility so u want that

crippling is the only other option for 2nd

which does help on some fights

and for kiting in m+

[strange python]

thanks i’ll give it a try, i’ve only been using kingsbane so far but it seems dragon tempered is doing better

[thick briar]

dragon tempered sounds even better with set piece?

[sand elm]

iirc since this weeks nerfs kb is like 0.2% or so ahead? but its negligable

ur still fine with either so pick ur fancy

[limber lion]

2p yeah, 4p not so much

[tall jay]

I haven’t played my rogue since S3, is SIN the way to go?

[limber lion]

All rogue specs are great atm

[sand elm]

sub is highest now after sins nerfs

[limber lion]

Take your pick

[sand elm]

but theyre all still top 3 lol

[tall jay]

Ok follow up: what is easiest to relearn

[sand elm]

dtb sin probably

i didnt play rogue in SL but ive seen people say thats most similar to SL sin

[limber lion]

DTB Sin is the easiest to play by far

[tall jay]

DTB

?

[sand elm]

dragon tempered blades

[limber lion]

It's also the better build out of the 2 so you're not inting by playing it

[tall jay]

Ah

Link to tree?

[sand elm]

#assassination-faq

all the builds are in there

[near cradle]

is this the diurna ring it means for flaring cowl? or is it the ring from diurna

i have a spark and wanted embellishments but idk if i should go cowl now or wait next week for bronze offhand

[hexed root]

thats the right ring to my knowldge

"dealing fire damage"

[near cradle]

🤔

might go for it

[tall jay]

Ty for the help

[hexed root]

i can't make up my mind to or not

I've used two sparks, next spark I was planning for lariat

but I have the ring in my vault

[vestal wren]

the fire damage proc, so the one you linked

[near cradle]

damn man idk what to do

[royal lantern]

whats the name of the other good weapon enchant again

not sophic

glacial something

[vestal wren]

frozen

[near cradle]

on heroic too thats juiced

[dawn merlin]

Pig

Pog*

[hexed root]

my sims also say to take the a 415 chest I have though, but if ring + helm is bis bis idk what to do

[hexed root]

trust the sims or invest in gear a month away

[near cradle]

well does the sim even work for the combo?'

[hexed root]

i think I asked last night with no info on that

[near cradle]

its been interesting week cause i took grieftorch from vault since its still better than 2pc somehow

such a broken trinket

[hexed root]

yea, I like it

[dawn merlin]

Ridiculous trinket

Our hunter got it

Nothing to do with the fact he is the RL

[royal lantern]

dont trust sims

stand against the machine

trust your feelings

[spice spire]

Don’t troll

[tawdry flare]

what is best phial (flask) for raid?

[royal lantern]

vers or elements

[tawdry flare]

thanks matie

[royal lantern]

vers more consistent

[royal lantern]

vulpera, no troll uwu

[agile geode]

Im confused, why whyspir simulations and recommended build is different between the Fuu spreadsheets? They're not the same builds and the Fuu's One Is simming higher, why? I miss something?

[hexed root]

fuu > whispyr confirmed?

[agile geode]

I dont think this

[grim briar]

i think fuu's spreadsheet has just been updated more recently maybe? saw him talking about making updates yesterday

[near cradle]

embellishments not on raidbots yet? can't add to my weapon

[agile geode]

Whispyr Is great for assa

For assa theorycrafting i mean

[spice spire]

Should be able to

[near cradle]

trying to gear comparison to see which to craft and im blind or its not there

[spice spire]

Top gear

Has the add

[near cradle]

i don't have the items though

[modern dust]

Can someone paste that talent code from #assassination-faq for Kingsbane Raid build 😄

shit discord bugging

[near cradle]

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJSCiElEAAAAAAAJAkkAAAAAAAQQaOQJJkkkkWIikQiEJJB

[modern dust]

tyyy

[agile geode]

So no One knows?

[flint ridge]

bronzed grip wrappings confirmed garbo?

[unreal coyote]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[simple stratus]

all of the weapon embellishments are like .5 to 1% it seems

[hexed root]

jpc still has bronzed grips idk

[royal lantern]

people take "jpc is doing X" as a real point huh?

[hexed root]

"world first rogue has x enchant idk"

[modern dust]

When using Kingsbane, is it Deadly poison or Amp?

[gusty mirage]

amp if talented into it

[hexed root]

does the sims account for helm/ring combo?

[vestal wren]

yes

you can sim without the ring

and see that the head is not great without it

[chilly viper]

we do we get a spark this week?

[hexed root]

fuu can you tell me what to do? I'm too dumb

[chilly viper]

Is it dumb to use our 3rd spark on a outlaw weapon ? Am I screwing myself lol

already have Neck + offhand

[hexed root]

im tempted to do that too, 382 MH problems

unless i go sub i guess......

[tropic spoke]

guys how many target i need to swtich to using fan of knives instead of mutilate?

[brazen nimbus]

Trying to learn assa, do i wanna minmax elaborate planning uptime or do i just build/dump as soon as i can?

[royal lantern]

you ignore that EP is a thing

its just a passive dmg increase

no playing around

[proper tapir]

#assassination-faq message

[nocturne current]

3 and upwards

[flint ridge]

there was a warning somewhere about changing race but I forgot the nuance about raid lockouts. anyone remember in the notes? I kinda wanan be a tauren rogue lmao

[hexed root]

i raced changed w/ no problems

[flint ridge]

i swear there is an issue about it somewhere.

oh okay got it. it has something to do with mythic prog. and i'm just a 4/8H dude haha

[terse lotus]

with deeper strat, we finish at 5+ cp regardless of the finisher right?

[thorny pond]

Max -1 or anima charged

[blissful crown]

If we dont skill Exan, do it just fall out of the rotation here and then right on to DM?

[terse lotus]

new to assass and dont see mention of the finisher CP vlaue

awesome, ty @thorny pond 🙏

[thorny pond]

Yep!

[blissful crown]

Perfect ty.

[spice spire]

Mister beach

What’s dn?

[thorny pond]

dunno

Why does nitro cost $10/mo

what is this

[blissful crown]

And with IC+KB for ST what you do instead of FoK/CT?

[thorny pond]

Follow same protocols as KB ST

[rotund olive]

yo fellas, just learning the ropes as assa. does it matter if I vanish + garrote before or after applying deathmark?

[thorny pond]

what build, DTB?

from #assassination-faq https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037333062083678268/1052364147913916436/ST-DT-Rota.png?width=810&height=284

[rotund olive]

dtb yeah -- I saw the pic but as a very noob player its unclear if there's like a given rule that says "of course it still has to be after applying deathmark" or before

[thorny pond]

Just refresh in pandemic range then

[rotund olive]

gotcha so doesnt matter if vanish + garrote is before or after deathmark as long as empowered is up during the full 20s

[modern dust]

Double daggers from one boss

and was only rogue

🤔

[thorny pond]

You'll naturally refresh your first one about half way thru DM

[tawny bloom]

guys i crafted weapon with fang, is it better to recraft for the wrappings? wowhead puts bronzed grip > fang. RWF uses fang over bronzed grip. Anyone who made the experience?

[simple stratus]

i made fang and it generally does 1% dmg, wraps are either less or more depending on procs

ultimately you wont notice much difference either way

[royal lantern]

its a really small difference

so most people probs didnt bother cus bronze was heavy for the first days

[thorn crater]

yo tryan

DM

[royal lantern]

huh

[tawny bloom]

aight thanks peeps

[leaden meadow]

Would it be worth taking a tier piece from the vault incase I get a second piece for the bonus from the raid this week, or should I get the whispering incarnate icon? Someone in my guild just got it, so I'd be using mine alongside theirs in the raid

[thorny pond]

How many people are fighting you for tier? Are you getting all 5 tier bosses killed? Maybe wait until after raid week to make the choice

[sick plinth]

Whats the reason that taurens are simming high?

[thorny pond]

I have had my raiders wait and then if one drops, they put into Loot Council that they have a 1pc/etc so when we consider it

[flint ridge]

2% crit dmg

[leaden meadow]

Errr, it's me + uhhh, 10 others 👀

[thorny pond]

War Stomp: Stuns up to 5 enemies within 8 yds for 2 sec. - Value

[sick plinth]

Gotcha, and it’s dwarf on ally if I’m not mistaken right?

[thorny pond]

If you do loot council, you should let them know "hey I can get 2/4pc with that since I haven't claimed vault yet"

[leaden meadow]

Sadly we don't 😦

[thorny pond]

You can still wait then, worst case scenario you miss one lockout with a trinket.

[hexed root]

is helm/ring combo worth waiting like.. 3-4 weeks for?

[thorny pond]

If you can get ring then craft helmet, etc

[hexed root]

ring is in vault, but I was going to craft the neck next spark

is ring/helm > neck?

[thorny pond]

Sim yoself sir

[hexed root]

i have SIR

some people said sim doesn't track the combo, but sim is worse without

so I'm not asking about the sim itself vs if it's worth waiting several weeks

[leaden meadow]

So just take the trink if no tier drops for me?

[hexed root]

not really a "sim yourself" situation compared to majority of the other inquirers

[thorny pond]

Again, follow your sim. It's really up to you

If you want to then take it. Both cowl and lariat are considered in the "bis" sims

Ring is rare, did you rip some sick max level M+ piece?

[hexed root]

cowl only w/ ring though. I have no wants only math

[leaden meadow]

Okay, cheers

[hexed root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vWWFJUZCY8ogtWCBexd7rZ

[thorny pond]

A tier slot though, so take your pick. Craft the cowl with ring

and get 4pc

or your 4pc will be head/legs/shoulders/gloves

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorny pond]

Fuu's sheet has all the embellishments values tabled

[hexed root]

Tldr helmet is bis w/ring so I should just craft the helmet this week instead of the neck.

[royal lantern]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[hexed root]

It's not what I want to do but seems to make the most sense I guess

[minor rover]

People who are playing DTB, outside of major cds, do you try to align shivs + tea and envenom spams as frequently as possible? I feel like I'm parsing shit, even tho I havent been playing alot of WoW recently until DF dropped I usually parse at 50% compared to ilevel logs. ( Sorry for rant, but I like to try to perform somewhat good )

[thorny pond]

either pool or tea yea

Try to minimize bleed refresh in the shiv windows

[minor rover]

There isnt much else you can do to increase your dps outside of cds except hitting good shiv /tt/envenom windows right? 🤔

[formal agate]

How are you guys going about improving? I usually use wowanalyzer to get some small pointers and tips, but ass isn’t supported on wowanalyzer. Any tips here?

[thorny pond]

Link your logs and we can look

[earnest imp]

do you guys know if you kill 2 mythic bosses, can you get loot from vault from other bosses then those two?

[thorny pond]

Only bosses you have killed

[balmy condor]

Learning how to read your own logs is a valuable skill

[hexed root]

@balmy condor are you buying the embellishments in any particular order?

[balmy condor]

Wowanalyzer for Assassination hasn’t worked in any patch except 8.1

[thorny pond]

Good morning Whispyr-san

[formal agate]

I’m no shit like fresh af on assasination. I don’t have any logs

[fleet imp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[thorny pond]

Hard for us to help then mate

[balmy condor]

Lariat and fang and then nothing else

[formal agate]

So just get logs and then come back for pointers?

[thorny aurora]

Hey, when playing the IC/KB m+ build, do you still Crimson Tempest in ST?

[balmy condor]

Ye but it’s super whatever

[thorny pond]

Follow the guides, #assassination-faq and then yea

[thorny aurora]

I was following the opener in the faq, was wondering if i show fok+ct in st aswell

[grim briar]

Is there ever a time when we would pool energy before envenom? Or just use as soon as possible

[hexed root]

don't think the ring is worth pursuing or anything lead you that way?

[balmy condor]

woah woah woah

Fok is a huge no

[thorny aurora]

But it didn't seem like a good idea haha

[balmy condor]

You don’t use fok until 3 targets

[thorny aurora]

Yeah figured that out ^^

But I was still wondering regarding CT

[balmy condor]

CT you just toss in every now and then

It’s not a noticeable increase

[thorny pond]

CT is like mayo on a sandwich. a little goes a long way

[balmy condor]

Like 0.2%

It’s probably easier to just not CT single target

[spice spire]

Ur right Mayo doesn’t belong on a sandwich

[thorny pond]

about .2% of my sandwich is mayo

[viscid spear]

Pineapple on pizza

[thorny pond]

yea that's fine

[clever vigil]

there is no pineapple of pizza bc the pizza ceases to be one when you put pineapples on top

so there is no problem

[thorny pond]

First of all - you can have anything you want a pizza

don't be a snob

that's it, that's my italian 2cents

[royal lantern]

people that hate pinnaple pizza are just mindless internet drones

so much worse shit

people put on pizza

[clever vigil]

true

[thorny pond]

Do you also shame men for drinking fruity cocktails?

cuz those SLAP

[clever vigil]

no why

[royal lantern]

cock 😳

[thorny pond]

wut

[spice spire]

Letting people enjoy things is free

But so is being a hater

[thorny pond]

hating take energy

just vibing and minding yoself does not

[hexed root]

what would y'all pick? ring and just have it sit in bank given its rarity/value or immediate sim upgrade?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vWWFJUZCY8ogtWCBexd7rZ

[flint ridge]

how do you guys do your 2nd deathmarks? just vanish garrote right away then death mark? or death mark vanish garrote?

[weak horizon]

@balmy condor regarding the kingsbane bugfix. Was/is simc using the same bugged logic?

Or did whoever coded kingsbane in simc code it properly to be affected by DS and the aura changes?

[balmy condor]

Pins

[thorn fjord]

aint nobody care lol

[weak horizon]

Shoot, idk how I forgot that. I swear I read the pin...

[spice spire]

I care

[thorn fjord]

Was just repeating old man Whispyr

🤣

[weak horizon]

Yeah, I guess the essence of my question is about how the simc writers figure out how to code it. Like how did they even figure out that kb doesn't benefit from aura buffs/DS?

[balmy condor]

They didn’t

It’s just spell data

Kingsbane is affected by spell id’s

[weak horizon]

Oh, so they can pull the core logic straight from the game data instead of needing to reverse engineer it within simc?

[oak sky]

Real

[limber lion]

Sometimes it requires reverse engineering as well

Kojiyama is the one who does most if not all the implementations for Rogue and Demon Hunter as well as some general things, you can ask him more about it if you're interested.

[weak horizon]

Great, thank you!

[agile geode]

[hexed blaze]

may i ask, how many haste do we need 0.0? for raid / m+

[spice spire]

More than 0

[hexed blaze]

lol

[spice spire]

No specific amount, just gun it

[thorny pond]

Take the int swords duh

[hexed root]

Does cobalt ring get bad at somepoint? Looking into some of my logs and seeing it's doing almost 2k dps/3% alone

[royal lantern]

less then 34%?

[agile geode]

You have to propritize crit and mastery

[hexed blaze]

yeah i know

[agile geode]

Then dont worry about haste

[twilit hollow]

@hexed root when it sims worse than another ring

[thin imp]

!whyspiur

[spice spire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[hexed root]

wish I didn't overthink my sim/vault so much.

[spice spire]

I wish you didn’t either

[strange python]

whats the dps difference rn with DTB between exang and no exang

[royal lantern]

open vault, type /simc, go into raidbots, vault done

dunno why people always overthink it

[gusty mirage]

click the link 3 messages above yours

[flint ridge]

on 2nd death mark is it better to vanish garrote dm or dm vanish garrote?

[strange python]

ahh i see thanks

[normal mist]

Guys i did some sims and im a bit ... lost.

my patchwerk and my dungeonslice SIM "exactly" the same LOL

is it ... normal?

[thorny pond]

Link those

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fNrtMYo9wcRhMEPzP5YYXf

[flint summit]

By “exactly” do you mean exactly or not exactly?

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ixQyTHCotTrjFyCPNmu7Vf

you understand the "exactly" now? xD

[thorn crater]

all links are to exsang builds btw on the spreadsheet.

prolly an oopsie

[gray hazel]

The Bronzed Embellishment pin is gone, safe to assume its still working as intended as the BiS Damage one?

[normal mist]

ohh let me check

isnt the first link DTB raid patchwerk?

[gusty mirage]

is it?

[normal mist]

the weird is that i'm simming the same doing DTB - raid patchwork and IC + KB Dungeonslice LOL

[gusty mirage]

no

[thorn crater]

combos means the ones beneath?

[gusty mirage]

our dslice is mediocre

[gusty mirage]

ye

[normal mist]

i know...

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/abxXEvoa5Q3661UNdLDBMr

[gusty mirage]

it be that way sometimes

and by sometimes

I mean all the time

[normal mist]

LOL

Im pretty much shooting myself in the foot not playing outlaw m+

[gusty mirage]

naw

[subtle tundra]

what

[gusty mirage]

play what you wanna play

[subtle tundra]

wtf

youre cooked!

[thorn crater]

i knew it

[gusty mirage]

if we're being real

you're shooting yourself in the foot by not playing ww monk in m+

[subtle tundra]

not really

[normal mist]

what i mean is, im a rogue, thats it

[gusty mirage]

quiet sub rogue main

[subtle tundra]

i have played sub once in an m0 dungeon

pissyboy

[cunning surge]

Sin is competent in M+ right now honestly, thankfully

[royal lantern]

wdym, ww monk does more aoe and st dps with cds and without cds

[gusty mirage]

mad & bald & romanian

[thorny pond]

you could've stopped at mad

[subtle tundra]

actually i am bald

ing

[gusty mirage]

no you're not

I've seen your picture

[subtle tundra]

man i want to bald

[gusty mirage]

you liar

[subtle tundra]

you dont know how i look though?

[gusty mirage]

I don't?

then why do I live in your closet?

[cunning surge]

[subtle tundra]

fukc

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

fuck

FUCK

[thorny pond]

pottymouth

[royal lantern]

you play wow

[gusty mirage]

great

[subtle tundra]

i wish i didnt

[royal lantern]

basment gobling like everyone else here

[gusty mirage]

now the german has an opinion on this

smh

[thorny pond]

🧂

[royal lantern]

ja, was denn sonst

[gusty mirage]

I'll send you to the krankenhaus in the krankenwagen you fuck

[thorny pond]

@royal lantern Father Yohan is gonna eat your toes you naughty boy

[gusty mirage]

bro?

isn't that a dutch thing?

[thorny pond]

Johann sorry

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage bruh poison bomb procs are nice

[subtle tundra]

assa in m+ go brr bah brah huh bhcduh BOOOOOOOM

[ebon notch]

dps goes zoom

[gusty mirage]

are they?

[ebon notch]

yes?

did i stutter or

[gusty mirage]

ok then

[thorny pond]

Feels good when talent points aren't useless @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

I'm glad you're finding satisfaction in the assassination gameplay

warms my lil heart

[thorny pond]

takes CT and never presses it

[gusty mirage]

its cool

I finally crafted my 418 dagger

we're pumping

401 ilvl

with 379 shoulders

unfortunate

[thorny pond]

Halp. My guild doesn't run big keys

[gusty mirage]

we have an officer who's casual who jumps into every high key

[royal lantern]

sprich deutsch du sohn einer mutter

[gusty mirage]

unknowingly griefing mythic prog by taking up a slot he doesn't need to be in

[oak sky]

poison bomb sound effect (x24)

[thorny pond]

I like how you took 30 minutes to get the joke

now it's no longer funny

[royal lantern]

im raiding mate

[gusty mirage]

so much for german efficiency, eh?

[thorny pond]

I'm raiding your pantry

[royal lantern]

i wish you would

uwu

[thorny pond]

Pantry not panties you perv

I'm fat

[gusty mirage]

same

[royal lantern]

im underweight :c

[thorny pond]

You could never be a healer

[oak sky]

Hows the guild

[thorny pond]

Think my last healing corps was around 1500# combined

[gusty mirage]

sheesh

thiccums

[thorny pond]

Greasy mists

rogue is just a diet class. Outlaw will get you burning calories

sin is boring you have to go outside to do something

[burnt venture]

Lads do we ever want to CT finish over Envenom on ST?

[oak sky]

Without amp poison

Outside shiv

With amp poison do whatever

[burnt venture]

Ah right on, that makes sense. Thanks mate

[royal lantern]

dathea rn

14% after 7 pulls

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage sennarth dead

12 pulls

HAHAHAHAH

@burnt latch

[gusty mirage]

damn dude

nice

congrats

how's cev's back?

hurting?

[gusty mirage]

assa rogue hard carrying boss damage

[ebon notch]

LETS GO

[oak sky]

DRAENOR BABY

YES

[burnt latch]

nice one gz!

[gusty mirage]

@burnt latch I miss us

[burnt latch]

i miss us too