assassination

[keen spruce]

and by "if someone" i mean please lord i hope someone has already done this

[final star]

Just drag it in, put it next to the afenar garrote, change the size

[warped nymph]

just gotta dodge stuff and play clean

[sudden sigil]

ot it

[final star]

Delete the afenar one

[keen spruce]

if it's that simple I'm going to be a very happy rat

[final star]

It is that simple

[keen spruce]

[final star]

[keen spruce]

wait

dropping into the core group resizes it for you

[final star]

Oh he's got that then

Even easier

[keen spruce]

[final star]

[keen spruce]

anything to use less brain in raid

[final star]

[keen spruce]

side note, has anyone had trouble using custom images in weakauras lately?

I used to have a lot of frog weakauras but haven't updated them since BFA

all seemed to break and i'm stuck with green boxes even when i get triggers to work

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage this mfer into frogs

[gusty mirage]

Ok

[keen spruce]

u don't like frogs?

[ebon notch]

???

you actually K'd me

[gusty mirage]

You tagged me to tell me someone likes frogs

Idk what you expected

[ebon notch]

😦

[final star]

Man called em frogs

[echo geyser]

[keen spruce]

i'm being bullied

[ebon notch]

@echo geyser any keys you're farming rn?

[echo geyser]

Nope

Random keys

Need 20 weeklies still

[ebon notch]

like 16s?

or +20s

[echo geyser]

20

[ebon notch]

same

trying to find one to weekly no leaver

[subtle tundra]

Same need 2 more

And the people I did the first 2 got their 4

😭

[thorn crater]

u guys are doing 20 +20s?

respect

i guess is hould be happy ive done a +16 without having raided anything past normal and not having a m+ group

[ebon notch]

that would take 20-40 hours lmao

most are doing 4

[thorn crater]

i mena my point is i cant get there

[gusty mirage]

unless it was a 20 nokhud

[thorn crater]

aint no way i get a random group to do that

[gusty mirage]

then it'd take 20 hours for one

did a 17 nokhud

and it was the worst fucking dungeon of my life

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[echo geyser]

My guildies trying a 21 nokhud

To get a 20 after

[subtle tundra]

Nokhund is easy

[echo geyser]

[subtle tundra]

Wtf?

It's like the third easiest

[gusty mirage]

you're actually high as fuck

[subtle tundra]

Maybe that's cause I played it on beta before any nerfs

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather do ruby life pools 10 times vs nokhud

[subtle tundra]

And now it seems so easy

You don't know the hell it was before tuning

The totem exploding on a 15 would 1 shot

[gusty mirage]

I love area of effect spells on hills that hide the boundaries

10/10

[subtle tundra]

You had to kill it in 10 seconds otherwise you'd wipe

[gusty mirage]

just love how they went all in on unavoidable damage

it's my favorite

everything does some form of aoe damage it seems this expac

[subtle tundra]

Feint it mate

[gusty mirage]

am I going to feint my healer dying too?

[subtle tundra]

Healer mechanic

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

nokhud seemed fine other than trash before 3rd boss

[gusty mirage]

lightning boss was a bit overtuned

esp with idiots

but that trash before 3rd boss is fucking horrendous

[grim jay]

The only annoying things in nokhud are people not playing the 2nd boss right and tanks pulling more than they can handle before 3rd with the birds tbf

[drifting cloud]

healer needs 10 stacks, you got personals /hp pots boss dies in what 2 casts?

[ebon notch]

bro id tank a 20 nokhud

would be fun

[gusty mirage]

yeah tank it right down to a 19

[ebon notch]

?

[subtle tundra]

The death bolt casts casting 20 times in a row

🥰

[ebon notch]

iron wire

[subtle tundra]

Good luck tank

[drifting cloud]

just interrupt it

[gusty mirage]

everything else in that dungeon seems fair, except for that trash

[subtle tundra]

Sure buddy iron wire 30 seconds into the pull

[gusty mirage]

and we get fort & quaking for week 1

just awful

[drifting cloud]

for me the worst part was somehow

[copper hazel]

and raging

[drifting cloud]

that the trash is on the fucking hill

so annoying

[gusty mirage]

yea cuz you can't see the circles properly

lol

and the z access fucks with aoe ground effects

so sometimes it goes a little bit further than the shit you can see around you

dip that big toe into it

die

also last boss jade serpent w/o a priest healer

[subtle tundra]

Yea they really thought that one out

[copper hazel]

its weird, some might say challenge mode dungeons were not designed for m+

dunno though

[ebon notch]

its not like we gave them hella feedback

from beta

[gusty mirage]

I did a 16 vault

and 2nd boss intermission was legit ticking for 10% of our health

but at least that's a gear thing

vs temple of jade serpent where you get 2 dispels every 6 seconds it seems

[subtle tundra]

On a 16 isn't really a gear thing

[gusty mirage]

I think the healer was a bit undergeared

[subtle tundra]

It is overturned

Clearly since it got nerfed 😏

[gusty mirage]

yeah that boss is fucking scary on tyran if it stays, but I didn't read through the nerfs too much

[subtle tundra]

You can't even bl the phases

[gusty mirage]

because my god, ran into that boss the first time ever

[subtle tundra]

Cause if you don't bl boss dps you get another phase

[gusty mirage]

and I was like why the fuck am I just dying

through health pot, health stone, cloak, and feint

we'll see if its worse or better than tyrannical xav's jump

[keen spruce]

Jade serpent super free until you do that first key at a level where you realize your group doesn't have infinite dispells

and you die in 3 ticks of the dot

[gusty mirage]

yeah tbh idk how a non-priest handles that

[ebon notch]

we managed to clear past 2nd boss with only 1 death

[gusty mirage]

maybe if you have a warlock in your group?

for imp dispell

[ebon notch]

then that mob after pulled with the mistweaver was pain

[gusty mirage]

had a completely clean run

get to the last boss room

tank goes "I got this"

charges in on that last pack

and insta fucking dies

LMFAO

[ebon notch]

bro those mobs fucked me up

i didnt realise i could spell reflect them

[gusty mirage]

better hope they're synced up

[royal lantern]

classic

[gusty mirage]

otherwise you still get your asshole eaten

[keen spruce]

we did it with an undergeared druid and basically had to do full CD assignements in a +13 lol

[gusty mirage]

and not in the way you enjoy

[ebon notch]

ye just gotta kite

lmao

forever

[royal lantern]

bonus points if it is a warrior or dh

[ebon notch]

and ever

just like in halls

[subtle tundra]

Temple is fucking tight on timer on higher keys cause you can't double pull anything

You just fight 3 mob pulls

[keen spruce]

you can do some big pulls in the library

it's just sketchy in a small hallway

[gusty mirage]

saddest moment was a guild run COS 18

and we missed the timer

cuz our boomkin butt pulled like 18 dif things

[ebon notch]

yeah cos is tighter than i remember

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[subtle tundra]

Yea cos is a menace with ninjas

[ebon notch]

also the construct on the bridge

the first one

you used to be able to skip it

but you cant anymore

[keen spruce]

you can skip it

[ebon notch]

they increased its aggro radius

[keen spruce]

if you drop down into the fountain

[gusty mirage]

they added abilities to shit

[keen spruce]

to the left

[gusty mirage]

and moved some shit around

[subtle tundra]

You need a good route now you can't just W pull whatever

[ebon notch]

ye but you used to be able to do it on the right

[keen spruce]

but u gotta djust the whole rout

yeah

[gusty mirage]

like I used to be able to solo all the pylons on first boss

[keen spruce]

we found that the hard way

[gusty mirage]

now you have to wait for pats and shit

[keen spruce]

we have scuffed many keys assuming things worked the same way they used to

[gusty mirage]

but they nerfed the amount of adds the pylons spawn lol

so you can always just keep 1 up

[royal lantern]

the blacksmith/hunter trap, when nobody read the changes

[gusty mirage]

had some dude int the fuck out of my 13 cos 3 chest

because he refused to let me use the basket to spawn the last dude

so he pulled an enforcer

and then as we're waiting for rp on last boss

"oxi we doing the 15?"

then he proceeds to die on the last boss

lol

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

I had to tank the last boss for 35% of his health

idk how the healer kept me alive

[royal lantern]

the boss doesnt auto often

source:did the last 20% in a 14

[gusty mirage]

also the dude

[royal lantern]

its like, 1-2 autohits-> charge or tze aoe dmg

[gusty mirage]

pulled like 140% trash

[royal lantern]

aka no dmg in his target

tank moment

[gusty mirage]

he pulled all of the stairs

[royal lantern]

99% of tank players are braindamaged

[gusty mirage]

and then pulled the construct on the bridge anyway

?????????

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

we had like 70% trash rolling into first boss

I was like bro have you done this dungeon before

[royal lantern]

did some cos for ring yesterday

in 1run the tank ignored all interactions and just pulled enforcers all the time

[gusty mirage]

lmfao

[royal lantern]

we had lantern+orb avaible btw

[gusty mirage]

fuck your extra damage

[royal lantern]

like, healer healed the guy, boss add came, tank runs to the other side and pulls an enforcer

"dont we need 4enforcers???"

[gusty mirage]

also why are people pulling down the stairs at the beginning on a +11

like where did they learn this shit

[royal lantern]

99% of tanks just copy paste routes from r.io

[gusty mirage]

like 80% of the dungeons I've pugged

would've been faster if they just W keyed

why the fuck am I shrouding in a +8

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[thorn crater]

is the going around and opening the door for others actually thing?

[royal lantern]

where

[thorn crater]

cos

[gusty mirage]

after first boss

you can get someone to skip around the dude

and the door opens for the rest of the group

[thorn crater]

but ure in combat

so u need to vanish

so u need to hold vanish

XD

[royal lantern]

oh ye that one

vanish yeha

[thorn crater]

i see an issue with that one

[royal lantern]

or just pull

[thorn crater]

the dude has detection though

[royal lantern]

and do normaly

[gusty mirage]

yeah

[thorn crater]

ive had a dk yell at me

[gusty mirage]

distract run by

and vanish

[thorn crater]

for not running in

[gusty mirage]

and door opens

saving approximately like 12s

huge time saver there

[royal lantern]

only way to time this +11 weekly no leavers

[gusty mirage]

people trying to 5d chess easiest fucking dungeons ever

cos is legit free as fuck

[thorn crater]

just sad i didnt raid hc week 1

[gusty mirage]

and people are trying to theorycraft ways to optimize every second

[thorn crater]

causen ext week xmas

[modest gale]

what poisons do i apply with dtb?

!dtb

[thorn crater]

all of them

[gusty mirage]

amplifying

• deadly

[royal lantern]

we have 2nd raid day tomorrow, and then raid break until january 6th lol

[keen spruce]

too lazy to update my own WAs

[gusty mirage]

just don't celebrate christmas

[keen spruce]

I will just frogify Afenar

[royal lantern]

like, i saw 7bosses normal and 1hc rn

maybe full normal and 7/8hc tonight lmao

[subtle tundra]

What's there to celebrate

[gusty mirage]

WHISPYR GO TO SLEEP

[royal lantern]

I LOVE CHRISTMAS RELEASES

[subtle tundra]

The world first kill?

[balmy condor]

How bout you celebrate my balls in your mouth

[gusty mirage]

maybe I will

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/present-them-mr-garrison-south-park-fourth-grade-s4e12-gif-21640304

[royal lantern]

😳

[thorn crater]

that doesnt make sense

[brazen zodiac]

that makes perfect sense

[gusty mirage]

celebrate my boy varas unseating the bane of my existence

as #1 assa rogue on the leaderboards

[balmy condor]

Hes a sub gamer now

Nerfs got to him

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

3/3 ain’t bad

[gusty mirage]

damn

discounting my sin 43 wr

it really do be your own friends

[keen spruce]

if ur not first ur last

[gusty mirage]

I won't let you take this from me

it's in my tinder profile

[balmy condor]

Im 1/10 on mythic council for the next 3 hours or whatever

[thorn crater]

i have a giga dumb question

tier is spec related not class related?

[bitter turret]

hey is anyone else running Indiscriminate Carnage on dathea to help group the adds?

[gusty mirage]

I was wr 1 for normal council for approximately 24 hours

that was kinda neat

[bitter turret]

ad's*

[keen spruce]

yes

[royal lantern]

you will always be the #1 in our Hearts 🙏

[balmy condor]

Im sure theres some idiot out there yeah

[gusty mirage]

okay wow

[bitter turret]

so it's a bad idea?

[gusty mirage]

call me out like that

[bitter turret]

my guild is trying to get me to do it

[gusty mirage]

as someone who was asked to do it

[balmy condor]

Find a new guild

[gusty mirage]

cannot recommend

[bitter turret]

well thanks for the heads up

so it's a terrible idea

[gusty mirage]

lasted a grand total of 2 pulls

[bitter turret]

like I aassumed

[gusty mirage]

before I told my RL I'm not doing it

[bitter turret]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-shocked-jim-halpert-confused-whoops-gif-5600657

me rn haha

[balmy condor]

Its quite possibly the worst idea I’ve heard for dathea

[bitter turret]

appreciate the info ❤️

[gusty mirage]

calm down you have DHs that actually kick

we get it

[bitter turret]

my dps is so bad because we cant group the ads

so my blade flurry hit's nothing

im running around kicking like a mad mad

man*

[balmy condor]

My guild didnt even bother sending me up on platforms

[bitter turret]

then getting told to up my numbers 👌

[gusty mirage]

must be fucking nice

[balmy condor]

They were like “yeh sin rogue just sit boss i guess”

And that I did

[peak bobcat]

I asked my raid leader and he said doing the platforms is not optional

[gusty mirage]

do they have you running around on diurna?

"GET OFF BOSS"

alright bro lemme waddle my ass across the room

to do 3s of DPS to the adds

that's much more efficient

[royal lantern]

walk away

[balmy condor]

Hopefully the braindead raid leads watching RWF and trying to copy them identically will recognize what a dumb fucking idea it is to put the rogue on adds lmao

[royal lantern]

use your 1min sprint

do fok once

[gusty mirage]

spot on with 1 min sprint

[royal lantern]

adds dead

[gusty mirage]

because our dragon never reapplies their buff

you get it first pull

[normal mist]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

and then never again

[balmy condor]

No I sat on boss

The whole time

[gusty mirage]

sick

[balmy condor]

Diurna is a single target fight

[bitter turret]

nice

[normal mist]

Aren't all fights?

[gusty mirage]

oh I'm aware

[swift dagger]

This is exactly what my RL said too lol

[royal lantern]

aoe is Padding

[normal mist]

If we are brave enough

[balmy condor]

For assassination?

Yes

All fights are single target

[bitter turret]

also how do you guys do kurog

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha

[bitter turret]

do you just st kurog

then the prio ad?

[normal mist]

I haven't even touched the raid so I have no idea

[royal lantern]

press buttons

[balmy condor]

Yep

[bitter turret]

or do you liek multi dot? 🙂

like*

[balmy condor]

You just sit boss

And when adds come out

You rupture

[gusty mirage]

the better question is

[balmy condor]

And then sit boss

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor how am I doing more damage to the adds on dathea than a boomkin

[balmy condor]

And then BIIIIG adds come out

And you sit on those

[royal lantern]

assassination rn is: fight starts, you hit the boss until its dead, adds are not your concern

[balmy condor]

Tettles was right

[gusty mirage]

it's true

when you factor in that every boomkin main is stupid as fuck

he was 110% spot on

[peak bobcat]

Poison bomb

So op

[royal lantern]

all boomkins are braindead

all of them

[gusty mirage]

yep for sure poison bomb

[balmy condor]

Poison bomb ain’t even worth spamming over CT on council

[peak bobcat]

[balmy condor]

[winter gale]

What's better to infuse 1st, Lariat or Dagger?

[subtle tundra]

no way imma be a menace

[balmy condor]

Dagger cause you get a dagger and thats sick

[winter gale]

Ty

[royal lantern]

tbh, is it bad that CT is good rn?

[balmy condor]

No its the only reason we do aoe

[royal lantern]

whisp i swear, if you say yes

[balmy condor]

I mean its degenerate

[peak bobcat]

Does poison bomb damage count as envenom on logs? Or did I literally get 0 damage from poison bomb?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/grvxZ83jta9Yn7yJ#fight=26&type=damage-done&source=578

[gusty mirage]

I do prot pally damage in aoe

but yeah, platforms aren't optional

[balmy condor]

Theres a little arrow you can click

Its super neat

[hardy dagger]

Have you guys tried kb on hc raz?

[balmy condor]

Does about the sane as dtb on hc raz

[royal lantern]

mathz

[hardy dagger]

I'm sure it does. Just that I might be better for shields

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Probably true

[hardy dagger]

And better execute

[balmy condor]

Execute is irrelevant on that fight

But yeah

It is better

[worldly sphinx]

Should we always finish at max CP, in our rotation ?

Or waste 1 cp is a big mistake

[balmy condor]

Max -1

[worldly sphinx]

Ty

[hardy dagger]

On hc yeah I guess I'm just thinking if it will be more important for mythic I might aswell just play it on hc for practice

[uncut echo]

Did they revert the poison bomb nerf

Not seeing it documented

[gusty mirage]

no

[uncut echo]

Hmmm

[subtle tundra]

that happened already

[uncut echo]

I thought they were in at the same time

Mbmb

[umbral rapids]

Hey does anyone have a poison wa that doesn’t lose its shit with dtb ?

[royal lantern]

no it happens tomorrow

[vestal wren]

today for na

😱

[subtle tundra]

i meant pb nerf

[sonic schooner]

Hello guys, i m back to assa a bit this tier ready to stick a boss

[hardy dagger]

Tfw you don't have to leave boss platform

[sonic schooner]

i had to

my rl thought i was outlaw

[hardy dagger]

Huh so you didn't go with your group?

[sonic schooner]

Nah i cheesed stayed on the boss

but anyway he sent too manies on plateforms i think cuz we had no issuues with the debuff

[lament laurel]

tfw you stat weigh char to see if you need mastery or crit and it says haste

[final star]

Tfw you do a stat weight sim

[lament laurel]

[vestal wren]

haste is not bad

[lament laurel]

i was under the impression we avoided it but guess i was wrong

[vestal wren]

stats are not as flat as you often assume

[sonic schooner]

Haste always been giga on sin, even if we have tea and dm now

[vestal wren]

it is better to see it as each of them impact others

so if you only invets in one specific stat

[sonic schooner]

That only makes mastery stronger, not haste weaker, i guess

[vestal wren]

it can be that others become stronger

crit is rly good

mastery too

and haste is also within there

vers slightly worse but stats are soo close that even going a bit vers is not a bad thing

[sonic schooner]

yea crit obviousloy is the central point of assa, and rogue in general

[vestal wren]

crit mastery is nice because it is good on sub and sin

so you can switch between them

easy

[marsh rover]

which WA do you guys use? is the Luxthos one good?

[vestal wren]

luxthros is very popular

[verbal mantle]

save time, dont do stats weight

[final star]

I use mine

I would say fuu uses fuu's

A lot of people use afenars

[marsh rover]

i just switching over to assassination after playing rogue for first time, and outlaw for the past week

[final star]

Others use luxthos

Other use zac's

[grim tangle]

I use mine too :)

[burnt venture]

Bros… I’ve been swapping from OL to Assassin in raid

I feel extremely energy starved and like I’m doing nothing but white dmg for hella long periods of time sometimes.. I know the APM is a lot lower than outlaw but holy damn

This normal? I mean I’m still topping the meters, just feels like I’m not working as hard for it now 🤣

Assassin has cheat codes 😀

[marsh rover]

are there any links to videos explaining opener/rotations?

[vestal wren]

haha obv.

[final star]

There are plenty of images in #assassination-faq

[spare bobcat]

Nah this is how it should be. There is no need for all the busy work. Not sure why some people enjoy clicking more buttons, more frequently.

[marsh rover]

im reading the faq but was just wondering if there are videos as well

[final star]

There is not

Because things change almost weekly

Videos do not

[marsh rover]

that makes sense. Thank you

[final star]

Would be a lot of work to maintain a video guide on a weekly basis

[marsh rover]

what addon do you guys use to keep track of dots?

[shadow quiver]

Could someone send me some talents for ST assas for raid?

[burnt venture]

#assassination-faq has them all

For ST raid all the way to AoE M+

[final star]

Weak auras

[limber lion]

weakauras and plater for aoe

[wicked quartz]

So the totems in centaur offensive m+ are completely immune to bleeds... Guess you don't go sin in there

[limber lion]

Does it matter?

There's one totem per pack for one the bosses, that's it

[drifting cloud]

3 mobs make the spec unplayable

[shadow quiver]

ty

[marsh rover]

do you use amplifying poisonf or single target and deadly poison for aoe?

[peak bobcat]

Amp if you’re talented into it always

[dense cedar]

that shouldn't really be a choice u need to make anyhow

[marsh rover]

ahhh I see, Sorry i huge noob for rogues and ass spec

I literally just imported the spec and reading the skills rn

[dense cedar]

lmao

Goodluck

[marsh rover]

yeah it looks overwhelming

[dense cedar]

Sin is the most straightforward spec of the 3

has nothing going on

aoe is hectic without IC

but otherwise the spec is quite simple

[marsh rover]

what is IC?

I started leveling at outlaw from 60 boost so i was able to learn while leveling

now switching to ass to try out

[unreal coyote]

Devlin's WAs are great

check them out

[ruby lotus]

Indiscriminate carnage, its a keystone in the sin tree that makes garrote/rupture aoe

[unreal coyote]

Indiscriminate Carnage

[unreal coyote]

well makes the next cast of them up to 8 targets

[ruby lotus]

well yeah

i figuered hed read it and see the 45 sec cd

[unreal coyote]

they couldve made that a 30s CD

[ruby lotus]

xD

[unreal coyote]

45 is a bit much unless youre doing really high keys

you def dont have it every pack

[ruby lotus]

for sure

[marsh rover]

ahh I see, this is kinda like the blade flurry for outlaws

[hexed pier]

Should I pool energy for shiv and do 3 envenoms or is it better to have uptime on envenom buff?

[ruby lotus]

well sin doesnt have a passive that lowers the CD on their AOE like outlaw xD

[unreal coyote]

yes and no

[dense cedar]

well BF is basically infinite duration

[unreal coyote]

its a wonderful talent though

[little light]

BF is also always 100% effective regardless of how long the pack lasts

unlike bleeds

[unreal coyote]

throwing us a bone for aoe

was a nice change

[dense cedar]

Ic is very nice ye

[unreal coyote]

112k dps on tree boss in AA

[dense cedar]

Too bad it wasn't echoing blades

[unreal coyote]

XD

[dense cedar]

very funny sound it makes

[unreal coyote]

it can get silly

and i have bleh gear

[marsh rover]

mid combat the only way to reapply garrote is just vanish + garrote?

[unreal coyote]

huh?

[marsh rover]

like how do you re apply garrote when it runs out?

[unreal coyote]

you can apply garrote when its off cd

[marsh rover]

just vanish + garrote right?

[unreal coyote]

iin or out of stealth

[marsh rover]

ok i'm foolish. I thought it was a stealth only opener

[oblique tangle]

If I use my primal infusion on my dagger, if I recraft it do I need another one? Or will it stay at that improved level, does anybody know?

[torpid orchid]

It keeps everything

[oblique tangle]

Oh good so I won't need a second one

[silent tulip]

Which talents are you running for m+? Ic/kb or dragon?

[unreal coyote]

ic/kb

seems silly not to

maybe tyrannical weeks?

[deep sorrel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[ancient rain]

we live in a world where echoing reprimand will animacharge 1 less combo point and its gonna be random every time

[oblique tangle]

I use dtb sometimes when my team has lots of cleave already

[unreal coyote]

i wish they would delete ER

its a shit talent in general

[oblique tangle]

Man I was raiding with this 380 rogue that pulled 20k dps and didn't take anything near ER I was SHOOK

[ancient rain]

20k dps is good or bad?

[oblique tangle]

He stopped dtb at poison bomb

[unreal coyote]

bad

[oblique tangle]

Awful

[ancient rain]

just checking

[oblique tangle]

At 375 I'm doing like 35-40k on rasz

Without buffs

[unreal coyote]

questioning glare

[ancient rain]

I was sure they'd take covenant abilities into next xpac the day they got announced and when i got to play them, I wished with all my heart they won't take ER. here we are

[oblique tangle]

Pug normals. I'm not gonna waste a couple thousand gold on it

[unreal coyote]

it just dumb thats the one they kept

why not flag?

[oblique tangle]

Not when most attempts can't get past orbs :^)

[unreal coyote]

why not just......not

[oblique tangle]

Hey now I like ER It's... fun

[unreal coyote]

no

its stupid

its always been stupid

[austere plaza]

ER should have remained with the blue cult people

[unreal coyote]

it was just lazy

shouldve just thought up something for DF

[neon oxide]

ER sucks

[marsh rover]

how do you control your combo points for ER?

[ancient rain]

I usually don't like spell that are "press this spell so another spell you'll press in the future will be good"

[unreal coyote]

lol

[marsh rover]

nvm

[unreal coyote]

yeah its just bad

[oblique tangle]

But it makes shiv envenoms so smooth

[unreal coyote]

dont we have a dev in this discord

how have we not bitched him to death yet

lol

[ancient rain]

also while we're at it, who asked for slice and dice?

[unreal coyote]

they will never get rid of that

thats vanilla days ability

[gusty mirage]

How the fuck have we come full circle into bitching about slice and dice again

[steel ridge]

No because ER is the best ability in the game.

[unreal coyote]

its never going away

[ancient rain]

the only good thing about BFA was not having slice and dice

[unreal coyote]

on opposite day

[quasi pine]

Slice and dice is so boring as as an ability

[oblique tangle]

You don't even need to focus on snd

You press button once

Go afk

I love my snd c:

[quasi pine]

Yeah but why do we have to press once, its pretty ridiculous

[oblique tangle]

You're right

[quasi pine]

Not even having to relaunch it

[gusty mirage]

You don’t

[unreal coyote]

lol SnD isnt a problem

[gusty mirage]

Don’t take cut to the chase

[oblique tangle]

Make cttc give us innate snd

[gusty mirage]

And manually extend it

Every single time

[unreal coyote]

ER is actual trash

snd is non issue

[steel ridge]

Jesus what

[unreal coyote]

jesus would agree with me

[oblique tangle]

Jesus would die for that sin

[unreal coyote]

im saying its a shitty designed talent

[ancient rain]

you might think snd isn't such a big deal, but when you play pvp and you don't press your snd for the first 30 seconds because it would make you lose the entire opener it becomes awful

[unreal coyote]

i clearly have to use it like everyone else

[steel ridge]

[bitter turret]

Hey apologies if this has been answered already but will sub be ahead after the reset due to the nerfs?

[oblique tangle]

Find out yourself ig

[unreal coyote]

cant tell if trolling

you really think they couldnt have done better designing something for us?

why carry over trash from trash expac

[steel ridge]

whatever strokes your goat

[unreal coyote]

while we're at it

bring vendetta back too

[lone creek]

ER OWNS ANY DISAGREERS ARE WRONG

[steel ridge]

Ok now i am certain that you are trolling

[ebon copper]

ey guys will sin still play ER after the nerfs?

[lone creek]

YES

[unreal coyote]

i do hate ER but i dont think they should bring vendetta back i was just wanting to get a rise lol

[ancient rain]

ER is cool because when i press spell on blue combo point, spell is the same and nothing happens but * I JUST KNOW * spell was better

[unreal coyote]

but guys

its REACTIVE GAMEPLAY

to rng a combo point

ENGAGING

[gusty mirage]

I mean

[unreal coyote]

numbers circle head

[gusty mirage]

versus just building to max-1

it is

you can try to be funny with your hyperbole all you want

it is more interactive than the generic playstyle

[steel ridge]

[thorn fjord]

ER ain’t that bad

It’s not Exsang

[vital haven]

i like ER mainly cause of the sound that it makes when you hit the button

[gusty mirage]

is ER great? No I don't think so

[steel ridge]

absolute fiesta

[gusty mirage]

but it is more interactive than the usual gameplay

whether you like it or not, that's an objectively true statement

[ancient rain]

can they at least make it rogue themed and not a blue arcane energy sword slice

[peak bobcat]

ER is good

[thorn fjord]

Feels nice when each mutilation after ER cast just all line up

[ancient rain]

well tomorrow they won't all line up

[steel ridge]

Like shooting green bonespikes out of your hand? 😅

[gusty mirage]

but as has been the case all of alpha, all of beta, and all of pre-patch

[thorn fjord]

All the 7 co envs

[gusty mirage]

people are just bitching to bitch

[unreal coyote]

fair enough but its still a lazy carryover

[gusty mirage]

oh I agree

ER is fucking dumb

[unreal coyote]

and not rogue themed

[gusty mirage]

I'm not a fan

[echo yoke]

anyone else half tempted to skip keys this week

[thorn fjord]

They should have given sin flag

[unreal coyote]

^

[thorn fjord]

But people would have ckmplajned about that

[gusty mirage]

absolutely not

miss me with that mfd for stacks bullshit

[unreal coyote]

if they were gonna carry something over

that made more sense

[gusty mirage]

mfd outside of pvp can die in a fire

a slow painful death

[thorn fjord]

Would have been nice without the Mfd stuff

But yeah I feel you

[gusty mirage]

well if we had flag in that spot

we're playing mfd

no way around it

[thorn fjord]

Yeah for sure

[grim tangle]

imagine actually wanting flag back

[thorny pond]

I want SL beta Slaughter back

[unreal coyote]

i honestly didnt think about mfd

[keen spruce]

I liked flag is late nathria

[gusty mirage]

imagine how angry people would be if they had to bind mfd on top of all the other shit

[unreal coyote]

and concede

thats much worse

[thorn fjord]

My biggest gripe honestly is Tea being where it is… it’s a good button but something about having utility as a high choice mode makes me sad

[keen spruce]

Tea as a capstone big weird

[thorn fjord]

Node*

[thorny pond]

It’s super DPS increase

Using it correctly makes you a better rogue

[unreal coyote]

i love tea

[keen spruce]

Dance as a class capstone kinda weird too imo

[unreal coyote]

chug chug

[thorny pond]

/sips tea

[keen spruce]

I love me some tea too

just weird as a capstone

[unreal coyote]

dance for not sub should gtfo

[keen spruce]

^

[thorn fjord]

Nah dance for OL is nice

[gusty mirage]

esp considering find weakness does nothing for assassination, and pretty much nothing for sub

and its gated behind 2 pts in FW

[thorn fjord]

But doesn’t make much sense for sin

[thorny pond]

Make Bandit’s Guile the ER capstone

Combat still kicking

[thorn fjord]

Any of y’all get aotc last week?

[gusty mirage]

the mediator accidentally kicked me out of the zoom meeting

[unreal coyote]

happy accident

[gusty mirage]

"I'll put you and your client in a breakout room"

[thorn fjord]

Days over.. you can go home and play after maintenance

[unreal coyote]

so much maintenance

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

Me waiting for raid invites to go out

[thorn fjord]

Had zoom traffic court a few weeks ago and boy was that an adventure

[unreal coyote]

lol wat

[gusty mirage]

buddy

that's my entire week

[thorn fjord]

What a nightmare lol

[gusty mirage]

and yall wonder why I'm so mean

[unreal coyote]

traffic court?

[gusty mirage]

yea for traffic tickets

[unreal coyote]

like speeding ticket shit?

[keen spruce]

oxi

[thorn fjord]

Yeah or moving violations

[keen spruce]

runnin over grandmas

[gusty mirage]

well stop driving like an asshole @thorn fjord

you ever think of that?

[gray crest]

Oxi, have you ever said to a judge "your honor, my client pleads whoopsie daisy?"

[gusty mirage]

actually pls don't

[unreal coyote]

this is the part where i say that 90% of traffic law is just for revenue generation

[gusty mirage]

us solo practitioners need the work

[thorn fjord]

I rolled a stop sign getting off the highway 😑

[unreal coyote]

and has nothing to do with protecting people

[gusty mirage]

no but I have had to tell a judge "Your honor, I have legitimately no idea where my client is. He hasn't answered his phone in a week"

that was fun

[feral mason]

yo the people saying earlier that last boss temple of jade serpent didnt get nerfed were wrong

[spice spire]

I thought it was because you were a hater

[feral mason]

the dot was the thing that got nerfed

[gusty mirage]

only thing I'm hating on is how your dad won't call me back after I blew out his back last week

[unreal coyote]

rolling a stop sign is the only legit ticket i have ever gotten

[spice spire]

He said you were mid at best

[gusty mirage]

weird because he was speaking in tongues after I got done with him

[unreal coyote]

maybe his prostate is just further up than normal

dont judge

[thorn fjord]

That was Spanish… congratulations you’re racist 🤣

[keen spruce]

almost impossible to get a traffic ticket in Portland since the protests. cops basically on silent strike for the last few years

[spice spire]

He said the only tongues he knew were you tongue punching his fart box 🤨

[gusty mirage]

hey if I made a white man from tennessee speak spanish, I did a good job

[gusty mirage]

its true

[gray crest]

God what a great day to be working from home

[obtuse latch]

Deathmark dots dynamically scale with haste correct?

[spice spire]

[hardy dagger]

[gusty mirage]

yes

[unreal coyote]

im in the office participating in this degeneracy

[obtuse latch]

PI?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[ebon notch]

😦

[gusty mirage]

listen here you lil fucker

[ebon notch]

what i do now

[gusty mirage]

nothing, yet

[spice spire]

Played warrior this tier

[gray crest]

You should see him bully our boomkins

[ebon notch]

what was the last thing i did

[gusty mirage]

bro

they're dead ass doing 40k in a dungeon

[ebon notch]

my rogue is getting geared next reset

[gusty mirage]

and tell me they'll lose 20% dps to get an interrupt

like gtfo

20% of 0 is 0

[thorn fjord]

Lol

[gray crest]

lmao

i guess thats why kittenz has been tanking

[thorn fjord]

Just wait till their rework

[spice spire]

Oxì is a menace

[gusty mirage]

no kittenz is tanking because we bullied him for offering to tank a 15

[keen spruce]

oh I forgot to share.. my guild had 3 daggers drop off heroic Terros (we have 3 rogues) and through a series of unfortunate events one of them got disenchanted by a warlock.

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Rekt

[gusty mirage]

terros dropped 5 staves for us

[unreal coyote]

ticket?

[gusty mirage]

10/10 would kill again

[keen spruce]

item restore would make it soulbound

[gusty mirage]

yeah they're fucked

[unreal coyote]

oof

[thorn fjord]

We got 3 mail chests off one boss and that sucked

[unreal coyote]

i dunno why they had to ruin ML

[keen spruce]

basically the warlock didn't realize it was an agi dagger and wishlisted it in RC loot coucil. the raid lead traded it to him as a meme and jokingly told him to DE it

[spice spire]

We just ran RC

[thorn fjord]

But I’ve got weapons coming out the wazoo

[keen spruce]

and htis dumbass just said "say less" and sharded it instantly

[spice spire]

He just like me

[unreal coyote]

what an ape

[outer cairn]

RL almost awarded my HC Terros dagger to someone for offspec. Had to speak up quick like whoa wait a min

[hardy dagger]

Nice

[keen spruce]

but the other two rogues are outlaw only chimps so w/e they can suffer. I got the one with speed on it cuz i actually do damage

[hardy dagger]

Outlaw only

[vestal cliff]

Hello guys i have a question, if i get a mastery buff from thistle tea does the bonus mastery apply to my already existing dot‘s or do i need to refresh them for the additional dmg from mastery?

[keen spruce]

jk ily both if you're in this discord

[thorn fjord]

Since I’m playing both sin and pirate I’ve been getting a lot of nice stuff lol

Got my high totem trinket last night on heroic

[verbal mantle]

we kill normal raz and get rare bow + 3 armor parts, we all get out, RL went out too, forgot about the loot, came back in raid
no loot to be found
check his mailbox, all items are now soulbound

[keen spruce]

holy

[hardy dagger]

Jfc

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

[verbal mantle]

[outer cairn]

ouch

[hardy dagger]

Lootcouncil where?

[outer cairn]

[thorn fjord]

Big ole rip

[verbal mantle]

yeh that was a bummer

[outer cairn]

i'd open a ticket on that one maybe

[keen spruce]

loot council growing pains

[verbal mantle]

he did, but very ow hope

[outer cairn]

you'll know in two weeks lol

[verbal mantle]

since the person will not be able to make the items not soulbound

ye that too

[outer cairn]

multidollar company

[vestal cliff]

Hello guys i have a question, if i get a mastery buff from thistle tea does the bonus mastery apply to my already existing dot‘s or do i need to refresh them for the additional dmg from mastery?

[unreal coyote]

dont play around tea

from my understanding

[thorn fjord]

Around the mastery

[outer cairn]

yeah, faq says don't play around it

[keen spruce]

I'm like 65% sure bleeds still snapshot

maybe 55%

[unreal coyote]

you know what else is silly

trinkets with cast times

[vestal cliff]

Okay ty

[outer cairn]

Thistle Tea: Use for 100 energy or to not overcap charges. You can purposely starve on energy before shiv windows for extra min-max. In general, do not play around the mastery buff.

[unreal coyote]

fkin puzzle box

[keen spruce]

i just sip on low energy

cuz i only have like 13% haste

maybe toss a shiv on top of it for an envenom

[outer cairn]

I have like a lot of mastery right now cause of drops and shit

[vestal cliff]

Is there a cap for crit and mastery?

[unreal coyote]

crit has been 35ish

right?

[vestal cliff]

I have 29% crit and 29% mastery

[outer cairn]

i swapped over to sub and shit went up to like 60%

[gray crest]

theres DRs for all the stats

[unreal coyote]

historically?

you stack crit to 35 and then mast

[keen spruce]

secondaries run relatively close, I just sim constantly

[vestal cliff]

Okay ty

[keen spruce]

if you're on super low haste you're gonna wanna commit neck rope

[outer cairn]

I need more crit. I think my mastery is at like 42%. It's just straight stacked through gear

[keen spruce]

if you're out of tea and waiting like 7 globals to press a button

[vestal cliff]

I have 9% haste and its feeling okay

[keen spruce]

I mean like low single digits

I like having higher haste so i dont' get bored. but we always have tea to fill the downtime

[outer cairn]

LOL

how'd you change the picture

[keen spruce]

I have a peepo folder in my interface

[hardy dagger]

Oh my

Love that tea wa

[keen spruce]

just convert frogs to 64x64 .tga files

[outer cairn]

makes me want to use now

[unreal coyote]

need a baja blast icon

for tea

[keen spruce]

and point the weak aura to them

[outer cairn]

have to mess around wiht it later

[keen spruce]

vial, evasion, and cloak. need to find more peepos for the rest

[thorn fjord]

Someone get me the Johnny walker logo for my wa

[hardy dagger]

Bout to change it

[outer cairn]

yeah i'm about to go home and start customizing

[trim zinc]

No it doesn't exist

[outer cairn]

be spamming pepe in here then saving images

[trim zinc]

There's no magic mumber

[keen spruce]

also someone helped me earlier, but if you like the Alfenar HUD but want the improved garrote tracking. you can just replace the garrote module in Alfenar with the one from Luxthos

[trim zinc]

Always sim yourself
And don't use stats weights

[keen spruce]

it resized and works automatically

[neon oxide]

Where the short blade specialists at

[outer cairn]

spamming trade chat

[unreal coyote]

Devlin WAs>>>>lux alfenar

[outer cairn]

tried to use aef and dev. just to comfortable with lux

[neon oxide]

then why cant I find them, theyre all long blades smh

[outer cairn]

one sec

[keen spruce]

don't like the look of it and too lazy to customize

[outer cairn]

there's a thing that exists to find ppl

see if i can find it

[unreal coyote]

its easily the cleanest set

lol

[neon oxide]

Oh legit?

[granite widget]

how many cp do you finish at nowadays as sin

is it 5+ or 4+?

[trim zinc]

Max-1

[keen spruce]

6+

[unreal coyote]

afenar is max uggo

[keen spruce]

it's literally personal prefrence lol

they all do basically the same thing

[trim zinc]

?

[keen spruce]

max -1

[granite widget]

so if you have 6 total combo points and have 4

you still mutilate?

[trim zinc]

Yes

[keen spruce]

yes

max -1

[unreal coyote]

yep

[granite widget]

even though depending on crit you are very likely to overcap

o

[unreal coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

[tame slate]

You play on the assumption that Seal Fate will not proc

[granite widget]

and sbs can proc seal fate right?

[keen spruce]

yes

[granite widget]

maybe this is why im not doing so well

i thought i was doing a perfect rotaiton but ive been finishing on 4 rip

[neon oxide]

Doesnt it depend on envenom uptime too, like if youre at -2cp and envenom isnt up pop it

idk

Might be out dated

[keen spruce]

I would not think that sbs counts as melee

[trim zinc]

Envenom uptime is already super high

[keen spruce]

but i am not confident that it's coded as not-melee

[trim zinc]

Like90%+

[neon oxide]

Yea tru

[keen spruce]

envenom should basically be always up

[outer cairn]

Try this https://www.wowcraftingorders.com/

[granite widget]

it's generally got good uptime as it is but

do you try to maximize elaborate planning uptime

like delay finishers slightly if not cappinpg energy

[neon oxide]

Cheers, appreciate it

[oblique tangle]

My bsmith is shortblade specced

Not as much as I'd like but guaranteed 3 star halfway to 4 with 20% insp

So she can promise a 399 for sure

[jolly quiver]

can i get my spark back if i crafted the wrong item ?

[keen spruce]

nope

[outer cairn]

Think Whispyr kind of laid it out in a log review. Outside of open and shiv windows, he said he's basically just chilling and vibing, keeping the bleeds up and maximizing envenom uptime. Then starve yourself before a shiv window and use tea and go a little ham

[keen spruce]

if you've really got nothin else to do and somehow end up dry on tea and shivs and sbs

then i guess u could min max ep

and what not

but you're doing a lot wrong

if you end up in that scenario

[neon oxide]

Yeah just got it crafted 3* and will wait out to find someone who's a big shortblade spec for the 402 or 405 recraft

[outer cairn]

You might find someone who can flat out do it or most likely, you'll find someone who can do Q4, but will recraft over and over till their inspiration procs to get it to Q5.

[keen spruce]

took my poor leatherworking hire 17 tries at 40% inspire chance to 405 my bracers

[neon oxide]

Yeah no crafters on my relam listed atm, will keep spamming trade

[keen spruce]

but he used his own mats for all of the attempts after the first

[outer cairn]

yep. same thing for the guy for my shortblade and the guy for my lariat. took each of them a few tries to proc to get them to 405, but their mats. still waiitng for that boe trinket i found to sell so i can make some gold back and get sophic 3

[keen spruce]

i cannot be fucked

to pay for sophic 3

they were like 130k each

on stormrage

[unreal coyote]

inflation is even a thing in wow

shits insane

[outer cairn]

on reset it was 89k. then jumped to 130k, last i checked back down to like 95k

[keen spruce]

i'm gonna see how prices move this week

I may slap one onto my crafted

but this PoS heroic daggie with vers on it can have the poverty 2-star

[outer cairn]

we just progging through hc right now so a 100k enchant isn't going to be the determining factor right now if we kill a boss or not

[keen spruce]

I mean you're paying like 70k for what a 200 agi proc?

comparing the difference between 2 and 3

[unreal coyote]

yeah i think so

roughly

[keen spruce]

no thank u

[outer cairn]

i just have cheap ass sophic writ 1s on mine currently

need to go run around on the alt to mine/herb and make some gold bakc

[thorn fjord]

Writ 3s are like 16k on hyjal us so I’m sticking with that for now

[outer cairn]

I could probably fetch that. I mean with vault and probably pushing a bit higher keys this week, maybe replace the 402 OH, but highly unlikely.

please baby jesus send me a xmas miracle and make cos ring appear in my vault

[thorn fjord]

I paid 80k for my bronze wrapping tho 😩

[outer cairn]

i paid 5g for my fang adornments 2

[subtle tundra]

wtf?

[outer cairn]

lol

[thorn fjord]

It be like that

[subtle tundra]

but... you can... use r2...

[thorn fjord]

Nah we big gold ballers out here

[outer cairn]

the guy who did my shortblade said grab the cheapest embellishment.

he was like, don't waste your gold, my inspiration proc will cover the skill requirement

[thorn fjord]

Nice

[keen spruce]

pushing higher keys on grevious tyrannical

[outer cairn]

and bursting to i think