assassination

[dawn elm]

sorry if its been asked tons today but is it now recommended that we do neck+wep with fang?

if im not going for the head+ring cheese

[balmy condor]

Yes

[dawn elm]

k thx 🙂

[mystic fractal]

wise mari not counting bricked our temple of the jade serpent just now

which is fine since it's first boss, but we didn't notice and full cleared -_-

[exotic parcel]

council was my best fight with sin actualy, just went with the M+ build and kept dotting, fan of knives, crimson tempest, wasn't too bad honestly

[steel sorrel]

Did you go IC?

[exotic parcel]

i used this on council

[steel sorrel]

Yeah, I should have done that aswell 🙂 Did ST build with DTB and got a meager 72 parse xD

Doing HC tomorrow, will try that build then!

[dawn elm]

and enchants and stuff stay on the weapons when u recraft y?

[steel sorrel]

@dawn elm yes

[exotic parcel]

Sin feels amazing, never had this much fun with the spec tbh

we're also crazy strong atm

[balmy dome]

if you have all bleeds and SND going, ambush is prio over mutilate right?

[exotic parcel]

isn't it always prio?

[balmy dome]

I think so, the way I read the FAQ but wanted to double check

[balmy condor]

Yes

[cedar silo]

is it me or does DTB seem to do more than the kingsbane build

even tho the sim is higher for kingsbane

[bitter arch]

What consumables do you guys use anyway?

[burnt star]

with dtb build do we shiv on cd. or we try to keep 1 shiv for dm?

[flint tusk]

Dtb sims higher than kings. By 1.5% i believe i’ve seen

[dawn elm]

On cd

[flint tusk]

On cd

[mystic fractal]

agree, it's fun as hell

[trim dirge]

does quality of embellishment only affect difficulty

[strange python]

Ye

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor how are you

[chrome holly]

anyone know of any good & reliable sin youtubers? looking for some guides for raid/m+ as i learn better through vids but i dont want to have to sift through all the click baity bs

[gusty mirage]

higher qual = less difficulty

[limber lion]

daps got 4p and I got 0p. Please bully him

[gusty mirage]

I was gonna do it anyway

but thank you for the incentive

[limber lion]

Perfect

[gusty mirage]

@ebon notch fuck you

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

stealing tier from my boy?

[cinder nymph]

if im swapping between outlaw and sin, what should my wep enchant be for now? i remember reading it somewhere but cant find

[subtle kiln]

who did you piss off on loot council ?

[ebon notch]

He wasn't even in my run wtf

I couldn't have stolen from him

[gusty mirage]

you took his spot in that run

[ebon notch]

Nop

[subtle kiln]

yep

[ebon notch]

He only has 2 chars

[limber lion]

Could be simming 65k... smh Fotmrogue

[ebon notch]

I'm INNOC3NT

[ebon notch]

😦

[limber lion]

Just kidding

I'll be getting 4p tomorrow or Sunday, ez

[ebon notch]

I am too tired to be bullied right now :S

[limber lion]

Go to bed man

[cedar silo]

7.2k from tier set heroic

[ebon notch]

In bath

[limber lion]

Or if you're in bed, turn the discord off

[cedar silo]

not bad

[limber lion]

Fair

[ebon notch]

Then I go slep

[limber lion]

Normal

[ebon notch]

Been playing 16 hours today haha

[limber lion]

[brazen zodiac]

gamer

[warm shard]

hey with death mark and vanish are we vanish and refreshing garrote and rupture to max duration before hitting death mark or just vanishing and hitting deathmark?

[strange python]

anyone know someone who can make fang rank 3?

[spice spire]

Seek help

[balmy condor]

Vanish is for improved garrote

[spice spire]

Please

[warm shard]

gotcha so we just vanish, improved garrote and then death mark

[balmy condor]

Yeah that works

[distant mesa]

does buzzing rune only apply to 1 weap now?

[tardy lance]

Ik we get the extra poison, but what actually is it that sees the Dragon Tempered Blades do a little bit more damage than kingsbane? (At least for me)

On Kingsbane, I can see the damage that Kingsbane adds etc.

(Or I guess, what is it just the extra poison that adds the damage?)

[distant mesa]

last night it was applying to 2

[cedar silo]

try applying tot he wep

[fallen charm]

Threat plates

[cedar silo]

i get that bug sometimes too

[light goblet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tardy lance]

hmm, I guess deadly poison does pump

It just never looks that way

I guess

Cause I’m only doing +5 & normal

But Envenom be pumping it’s load like mad

[balmy condor]

Amp poison is a good poison

Dashing is good energy

[tardy lance]

it never looks flash on my damage meters

[grim briar]

How is it possible that DTB dungeonslice and KB+IC dungeonslice are simming so close to one another...where does the DTB aoe damage come from?

[tardy lance]

But it just feels smoother & nicer to play

[trim zinc]

poison bomb

[ebon notch]

Gotta pump bro

[dawn kelp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[flint tusk]

That’s an entirely different thing than wow.

[balmy condor]

Both take CT

CT is a large part of both of their aoe

Carnage just has a little more aoe

But less single target

They balance out like that

[warm shard]

without kingsbane when should we be using shiv? or do we just need to not overcap

[balmy condor]

You sync both charges to kingsbane

[warm shard]

what about without kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

Just on cd

You can hold a charge for dm

[unique sorrel]

Oh yeah, @balmy condor, did you manage to get plater set up? Wanted to snag yours to compare to what I got

Nameplates go a bit nuts with DTB and every other DoT under the sun

[balmy condor]

wago.io/p/whispyr

[unique sorrel]

Bless, thanks

[balmy condor]

Np

[brazen zodiac]

truee

[ionic fox]

Is there a weapon consumable we are using this expac? similar to the oils and sharpening stone

[fallow canopy]

buzzing stone afaik

[rare summit]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[fluid glade]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dense herald]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ashen scroll]

if you use the puzzle box on sin, you'd use it before or after?

sim logic is saying after but mental logic says before since DM will duplicate the juiced dots no? it wouldnt duplicate juiced dots if it was DM into box

[sick trout]

hi, what is the best build for assa ST build ?

[exotic parcel]

check assa channel

[small meteor]

If you're doing DM/exang then use it before you apply the ER rupture

Unsure on when with DTB

[jade wadi]

what do ya'll think is the best slot to spend early valor on? I feel like spending it on a tier slot isn't going to be that good.

[fluid glade]

with dtb sim recommends using box after u cast ur dm

lil awkward but most dmg

[tacit otter]

i think listening to the faq is better in general than to the sim

[sterile perch]

!bis

[rapid tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[timber fable]

with the mythic+ build KB+IC no exsang my opener is get all bleeds up then deathmark > envenom > KB > shiv?

[elfin valley]

Just looking for a general opinion do yall think its worthwhile to craft the alchemist trinket (the phial one) for M+ and raid?

[solid mica]

!whispyer

[dire lodge]

whats the pandemic range on empowered garrote?

also shadowmeld > garotte does benefit right?

oh wait mb its in faw just in small text beneath rotation

is bone spike supposed to be an awkward button to use

truly a thinking mans spec

[dawn kelp]

any reason why my deathmark dmg is so low but on logs its peoples like 4th highest dam?

[balmy condor]

Logs combine the Deathmark effects, open the drop-down

[dawn kelp]

thank you

[brazen zodiac]

hey its the same rotation as wrath!

[gleaming geyser]

[sour wraith]

need blizz to make sbs and tea reset on boss wipes please and ty

[past belfry]

when running D-TB, when's the best time in the opener to use casted trinkets?.

[balmy condor]

Anytime before dm

[past belfry]

cool, alrighty

[ripe rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[ripe rapids]

Would you keep Crimson Tempest up on one target or just if there is multiple targets?

[arctic hare]

So i'm working on making my crafted dagger with embellishments, and I'm confused about what the "power" part of the crafting window is?

The infuse with power?

[balmy condor]

If you’re running amp, generally no

Otherwise yeah you can toss it in every now and then

It’s not too big of a deal either way

[balmy condor]

That’s item level

[arctic hare]

like, the infuse with power?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[arctic hare]

hmm, interesting

So how do we get an item that can, OH, those things

[versed mica]

I don't even get wtf embellishments are other than they are crafted

First time in a long time I feel like major noob in an expansion lmao

[arctic hare]

lol

[frigid pilot]

smells like sin is gonna get nerfed soon

doing way too well

[outer cairn]

additional effects to an item

they are "embellished"

[versed mica]

So gear like the ring from cobalt rep?

[ionic fox]

Anyone have a WA for shiv's 8 sec buff?

[balmy condor]

And yet if you were here for the last 2 nerfs everyone was crying it was dead and yelling at me for saying sin is fine

[versed mica]

Me, using shiv twice in a row like an idiot

[frigid pilot]

its a 50/50 prediction yo xD

i was a sub boy but im a sinbeliever now

(at least for raid)

[oak sky]

@balmy condor is there any good reason that my envenom would crit like 15%

i actually got bozoratioed

[balmy condor]

Skill diff

[oak sky]

i like

looked at the numbers

and i was whispyr on nerzul'd

[balmy condor]

I was comparing myself to a dummy and I cast everything the same amount of times

20% poison crit

20% env crit

20% mut crit

Sim? 35-40% on all

[outer cairn]

ic in keys is nuts. never have i broken 100k before

[balmy condor]

You hit 100k overall on sin?

That’s pretty impressive

[outer cairn]

oh no lol

i meant in a pack

[balmy condor]

Oh

[outer cairn]

i only played sin in season 1 of SL. Tonight first night had the chance to run some keys finally

[rocky ruin]

i can ask questions in here right?

[teal bloom]

yes

[tawdry flare]

Careful - Whispyr is vicious

[balmy condor]

You have to ask it in the form of a rhetorical though

[rocky ruin]

i answered my own question nvm

[teal bloom]

This sims higher than ilevel 372 puzzle box

[rocky ruin]

actually 1 question, when if ever in m+ do i use ambush, seems like its always better to just use stealthed garrote? raid as well?

[balmy condor]

Perfect execution

[balmy condor]

Yep

Always garrote

[balmy condor]

It’s a good trinket

[rocky ruin]

ok cause the icy guide says use ambush whnever its usable, im still leveling so maybe i havent encountered a talent that makes that work?

[jade wadi]

@balmy condor , is putting valor into a back a good investment? i dont wanna waste it, especailly if i get tier pieces.

[rocky ruin]

for ST that is

[balmy condor]

Blindside

[tawdry flare]

NGL - thats f'd me up a few times - since i play HO Outlaw... I press Ambush out of habit

[rocky ruin]

ah i misread that talent, ty <3

[balmy condor]

I probably wouldn’t upgrade a back for my first choice but sure

[teal bloom]

I love trinkets that sim higher than puzzle box

[jade wadi]

ok. am I thinking right in wanting to avoid using it on tier slots? assuming I can get them ofc lol.

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[tawdry flare]

I just love passive trinkets

[balmy condor]

My guide suggests weapons, trinkets, and special effects like signet of melandrus

Then any low level pieces

[tawdry flare]

I would honestly save valor for weapons and trinkets only, especially since the cap starts out at 1500

[balmy condor]

Idk

I think Signet as a first choice is reasonable

You craft a dagger which you can use mainhand

[tawdry flare]

[balmy condor]

Trinkets are mostly raid drops

There’s some good trinkets from m+

But idk if those are worth at first

[tawdry flare]

Imagine getting raid trinkets

[lusty widget]

we running indiscrim carn on council boys?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[jade wadi]

I must've not done it right, cuz I did more damage with the dragon tempered build than carnage

[timber fable]

with the mythic+ build KB+IC no exsang my opener is get all bleeds up then deathmark > envenom > KB > shiv?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[timber fable]

when do i echo reprimand>

?*

[opal beacon]

is the assass guide page updated? i was away for like a week and some nerfs happened. me noob so i read for help. lmao

[tawdry flare]

The sky is falling because exsanguinate is RUINED.

ahem In all seriousness no nerfs so far have been anything to really write home about. In my opinion at least.

The Poison bomb Nerf was a bit confusing if anything.

[balmy condor]

Before dm

[opal beacon]

fair enough, was gonna play it anyways, just trying to figure out my rotation :D

[balmy condor]

For the most part yeah

The rotation togglers are a bit messy

But everything else is fine

[violet talon]

Curious why the guide for S1 gear says we want to prioritize Haste then Crit, but for our general stat importance haste is listed as the third stat behind crit and mastery.

[brazen zodiac]

make sure to only select one or it gets reeeaaal messy

[opal beacon]

Thanks for the quick replies! Much appreciated.

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[timber fable]

ty whisp

[honest iris]

Should I primal infusion weapon or neck?

[balmy condor]

Where does it say that

[balmy condor]

For prog probably better to get a high ilvl dagger first, then the neck

Effect wise the neck effect is stronger than the weapon effect however

[tawdry flare]

Nothing this expansion is more complicated than the fucking crafting

Trying to figure out which items are best to craft, which embellishments, whether or not to risk a public order

[pulsar fog]

Only do public order if you don't care about quality and/or plan to recraft later anyway

[unreal coyote]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

In Order: dagger/neck probably, fang adornment/lariat is the embellishment, never public order

[tawdry flare]

I play both Outlaw and Assassin - the embellishments don't overlap, I'm pretty sure.

At this point might just be easier to level a second rogue

[balmy condor]

L bozo

[tawdry flare]

I mean it is a personal problem, nothing really anyone can do about it

[brazen zodiac]

[balmy condor]

Blizzard could make outlaw the 4th warrior spec like it deserves to be

[tawdry flare]

Now you listen here...

[cerulean nest]

sin fucking pumps

that was tons of fun

[tawdry flare]

Seriously, with how embellishments work: It feels like just having a second toon would be easier

[jade wadi]

i've been a sin rogue since Cata and this is the most fun i've had with the spec.

[rocky ruin]

do i maintain/try to maintain Crimson tempest in a purely ST situation

[tawdry flare]

I also play warrior quite a bit, so I wouldn't really complain about this.

[brazen zodiac]

im still a 2 spark gamer

[deft vault]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[brazen zodiac]

0 clue how those things work and havent googled it yet so lul

but i can craft t3 fang so 😎

[violet talon]

On the S1 Gear tab of the guide.

[balmy condor]

Ah that’s a typo

I’ll get that fixed

Everywhere else should be fine

[rocky ruin]

do i try and maintain crimson tempest in a m+ ST/boss situation or just get more Envenoms in

[balmy condor]

You can do either, it’s not a big deal

[torn atlas]

Should have like 3 rogues minimum tbh

[balmy condor]

If you’re playing with DTB, you should just envenom

[cerulean nest]

@balmy condor would taking the second shadowstep node be catastrophic for damage? if not whats best to drop?

just for a certain fight or two

[tawdry flare]

I hope you're memeing

[violet talon]

Ok thanks for clearing that up. I’ve read through your guide top to bottom and that part had me going back trying to make sense of it and whether I missed something lol

[balmy condor]

For dtb you the bleed nodes are about 2% behind

You would just drop the fatal concoction stuff

[balmy condor]

Yeah just a lot of pages which make little side-comments about things

Hard to keep track sometimes

[teal bloom]

whetstone simming 0.5% better than buzzing rune in patchwerk, idk if it's a ilevel thing

[balmy condor]

That definitely shouldn’t happening

[tawdry flare]

.5%

[balmy condor]

Can you link it?

[teal bloom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9D7QMbD6B2MzdZSfg1BrYB

I copied the weapon enchants thing from Fuu's consumable string, idk if i fucked up something

[torn atlas]

You mean it's not normal to have 4 rogues?

[balmy condor]

Seems fine

But that’s super whack

[tawdry flare]

I have 2 Rogues. 1 alliance and 1 horde

[teal bloom]

[frail vale]

Hey guys, new here just had a quick question about the Subterfuge and Master Assassin nodes, do they synergize together? As in does Subterfuge make stealth "active" or is it only "allows stealth abilities"

I'm thinking about my pvp opener wondering if I will be using 3 stealth abilities or not, currently I'm debating between Cheap Shot, Garrote, Garrote with the two nodes above or, Garrote, Bone Spike, Mutilate, Rupture without Subterfuge

[gusty mirage]

@peak bobcat I'M RICH

[gusty mirage]

they do not

[peak bobcat]

OH SHIT

[teal bloom]

If you need pvp tips, i'd suggest going to #pvp , this channel is focused on pve

[gusty mirage]

subterfuge lets you use stealth abilities out of stealth but doesn't grant stealth

[frail vale]

It was just context for the question

Mostly curious about the talents

Thanks guys

[grizzled jay]

Fated? Can you exchange that for an EoN?

[gusty mirage]

I wish it could be exchanged for anything at this rate

[exotic hearth]

So any tips to not suck during council? lol

[analog anchor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sick monolith]

Hey all! First off just wanted to say a HUGE THANK YOU to all of you guys for helping keep the rogue community strong! Is there a trinket ranking list somewhere? I know I should trust the sims, but raidbots is telling me to have two on-use trinkets (Horn of Valor and Windscar Whetstone) and idk why but i don't like that....

[teal bloom]

2 on use trinkets is very annoying

[sick monolith]

agreed

[outer lodge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[broken ibex]

Bloodmallet is typically good. But simming yourself is always best

[small meteor]

Use two puzzlebox trinkets

😈

[sick monolith]

lol

yea i saw bloodmallet finally has the rogue modules implemented

unsure if accurate but i guess its something at least

[teal bloom]

2 puzzle boxes, 4 seconds to become super saiyan

[small meteor]

Id just check what the difference is between the on use and other trinkets you have/want to use

See if it's a big difference or <1%

There's also a list in

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[regal hamlet]

will elemental lariat proc one of those epic agility gems or should i just slam crit/mastery

[sick monolith]

Im dumb i didnt scroll down enough to see the trinket section. TY MUCH!

[peak bobcat]

this raid owns so hard

Shadowstepping on Sennarth is invigorating

[median beacon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[willow chasm]

is there a good Deathamark WA?

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

All these packs track it

[willow chasm]

on appropriate time to use it?

[sage shoal]

Hello, is the bronze wrapping still bugged?

[balmy condor]

The appropriate time to use it is on cooldown

Idk how you would track that

[willow chasm]

kk

[balmy condor]

Unsure

[sage shoal]

Ah ok, thank you

[willow chasm]

sorry was overthinking it basically just keep bleeds and poisons up

[compact nest]

all 3 rogue spec is in top 3 in heroic vault

[balmy condor]

So far yeah

We’ll see how it looks after day1

[tough ferry]

hey guys got a question for you

is there a way to make a macro that will replace mutilate with ambush when it procs?

lotta keybinds atm with rogue... running out of space.

just want a conditional macro

[frozen jasper]

Speaking of it, can Someone explain to me the whole crafting thing in pm maybe? Is it mandatory to Go with crafted items? If yes, which items and how does the ilvl work on crafted things?

[weak horizon]

is this big?

[balmy condor]

Not for assa

But none of the specs recommend anything that abused the bug

So it super doesn’t matter

[weak horizon]

what was the bug exactly?

[balmy condor]

Nightstalker was still giving 50% for outlaw and sin

[tough ferry]

good to know, how much of a difference was it in dps?

[balmy condor]

What

No

I Just said it doesn’t matter

It got fixed before raid release

[brazen zodiac]

epic

[weak horizon]

does nightstalker not buff the first tick of the garrote?

[balmy condor]

It does

[weak horizon]

or it does but it's just 1 tick so the dmg really was negligible

[balmy condor]

It buffs the first tick and nothing else

[weak horizon]

ok but why?

[balmy condor]

Why what

[weak horizon]

sorry, referencing the guy the other day

[balmy condor]

Oh

[fluid glade]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tough ferry]

oh right

[versed mica]

I thought OG nightstalker buffed the entirety of ticks, and that's why we used to vanish rupture at some points

Did they really make it only power up the first tick of things?

[balmy condor]

Correct

It’s only during stealth now

[versed mica]

Kinda cringe

[balmy condor]

So you need to be in stealth or shadow dance to receive the effect

[raven egret]

Well ran quite a bit of M+ as Sin, and idc what sims says, its fun and slaps either way 😄 DTB build particularly helpful to balance AoE and down bosses, since we are all relatively low ilvl it helps

kinda sad not being able to see the mad burst aoe of Carnage, but DTB ist just better in there

[round swift]

Just want to make sure my common sense is working…. We aren’t taking exsanguinate in any situation now right?

[subtle tundra]

We are

[round swift]

We are?

Halp me understand.

[dark token]

how much are you seeing in keys overall

[dark token]

KB single target build

[round swift]

Is there a time where DTB is doing better? Because I’m swimming/doing more ST damage in Kingsbane under all circumstances.

[lean coral]

do we still make a lariat neck

[gusty mirage]

yes

[prisma cypress]

i think dtb pulls ahead with 2pc set

[gusty mirage]

alternative is flame cowl w/ the diurna ring

[lean coral]

crit mastery i assume

[gusty mirage]

aye

[lean coral]

kk ty ty

[gusty mirage]

[raven egret]

depending on the key and speed 40k-55k, I'm not a top player that much I want to make clear.

Carnage is great for trash but bosses slap at +12/+14, and DTB has seved me better there while still doing great aoe on trash packs. I do miss using Carnage sadly

[dark token]

yes this is why i went sub over outlaw

ST was 💩

even tho similar overall

[raven egret]

I plan to play Sub over the week-end, I tried in a lower key and it felt good, but Sin did help solve some issues (Tree boss in academy, team was not that great on it, popped Exsang/ Deathmark on boss when he hit 35% and that solved the issue lol)

[shut owl]

Does poison bomb have any kind of internal cd or am I just having rough luck with anima charges in m+? First env tends to pop one but I won't see another for 5-6 seconds

Usually landing 2-3 charges in there

[kindred rapids]

got a bit lucky today

[spark cloud]

i did a +2 Nokhud Offensive with my friends earlier (first keystone of the season) and it felt good, I see where packs of 2-4 are kinda awkward, but anymore than that and i took off on dmg. Still trying to find a groove with my tank buddy for how many packs we can pull at a time but I also dont have anyone else to base my dmg off of. Aside from the dickhead centaurs that have the shout, we could pull pretty hefty.

on boss fights it does start to feel weak and slows down a lot if it goes longer than like a minute, hopefully as people get fatter and fatter geared, kill times reduce, the slowness I feel with IC build will disappears? what do yall think

[balmy condor]

It’s a random chance

[shut owl]

Ok, so I'm just rolling snake eyes tonight? Good to know XD

[balmy condor]

It won’t get much faster

[spark cloud]

how come?

[subtle tundra]

i mean... the more youre geared the higher your key will go aswell so it wont get faster

[unreal epoch]

should I hold DM for puzzle box late in the pull?

[balmy condor]

If you won’t miss a cast you can hold for whatever you want

[spark cloud]

I remember for SL doing 15s and pushing bosses over in a minute or so, unless that was just the legendaries really leading the charge

[shut owl]

When I crunched the numbers I hit pb 6 times across 50 env lol seemed really unlucky since anima charges should be what, 35%?

[subtle tundra]

15s in sl aint 15 in df

and probably if you want the best gear you will want to do 20

[balmy condor]

Animacharges are 56%

[subtle tundra]

will take longer to get there but that means you wont stop pushing at 15

uh so do i use weapon weights or runes on my daggers

[balmy condor]

Runes

[subtle tundra]

buzzing them runes

man i can play a bit but i dont want to do pugs 😦

yesterday was so nice

[shut owl]

Oh. For some reason I was looking at 1 point of PB lol
Then seriously who did I piss off at blizz

[hollow river]

we should be using r3 mats when going for crafted orders for the chance to proc highest ilvl correct?

[subtle tundra]

for crafting dagger?

[hollow river]

atm i'm just going to craft the pvp boots but i wouldn't mind snagging em at higher pve ilvl

[subtle tundra]

well its always rng

with the crafter

[hollow river]

yeah

[subtle tundra]

if you go public

[hollow river]

i found someone in trade and can set a minimum ye?

[subtle tundra]

yep

[hollow river]

mmk

and for pve

405 dagger and 405 lariat are the best chioces atm?

[subtle tundra]

thats what im going for

just gotta somehow acquire lariat for the guild crafter

my character pretty juiced up rn

surely by monday ill get 418 dagger crafted

actually for sure 15s were free yesterday

[hollow river]

sick

how do we even obtain embellishments

[subtle tundra]

you buy them from ah

i went to the eye doctor earlier and i got drops in my eyes time to go blind in a halls

[topaz pebble]

In the fuu's simulation sheet the best in slot crafted says neck/ mastery HP what is mastery hp?

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

Dagger lariat and then maybe when you get mythic dagger from diurna and a vault dagger you can drop it for some other embellish

[hollow river]

stay safe homie

[balmy condor]

It’s a cloak but I’m not convinced

You have to be above 90% hp for the mastery

Not recommended for prog

It’s just a bis profile simming 100% uptime

[topaz pebble]

i see

what would you say is the runner up?

wep?

[balmy condor]

^

You just run dagger with fang atm

[topaz pebble]

Ty

[brazen zodiac]

reminds of the jailer trinket lol

wasnt that trinket kidna wack cuz u could still have like 99% uptime even if u got giga low a lot

[dawn kelp]

Do you re garrote and rupture at the end of deathmark?

[balmy condor]

Eye of the jailer, and that was 50%

Much higher uptime

[cedar silo]

is the best crafting atm a weapon?

[balmy condor]

I mean you could, there’s no reason to

[cedar silo]

with embelishment

[dawn kelp]

Kk that’s what I thought

[balmy condor]

Yeh, high ilvl mainhand + decent embellishment, pretty good

[cedar silo]

ok yea i wanted to know for sure whats the embelishment of choice

[royal lantern]

because, most of the time you are either full hp or dead

[spark cloud]

for the pvp WQ that give weps, does it only ever give yall outlaw weps too? im loot spec'd assa

[brazen zodiac]

ah

[royal lantern]

most raid dmg mechanics are "dmg happens, healers need to heal, or next time you are dead"

or "mechanic fucked up,you are dead"

you are never really under full hp for long times cus of that

[cedar silo]

bronzed wrap or fang for wep if its main hand?

[smoky phoenix]

It doesn't matter which dagger is in which hand right?

[hollow river]

highest ilvl in main hand

[smoky phoenix]

o, tyvm

Can't find it anywhere but what does "Echo in time" actually mean? for the bronze wrap embelishment

[cedar silo]

thats what i wanna know

[smoky phoenix]

wait its in the pin

Im dumb

[idle coyote]

@balmy condor are you assing it up in m+?

[balmy condor]

yes

[idle coyote]

You are a mad man

[balmy condor]

I mean it's doing good

why wouldn't I

[smoky phoenix]

Dont sleep on bleed spread + knifes + aoe finisher

[idle coyote]

I respect a man committed to his grindset

[smoky phoenix]

That slaps hard, every 30s

[royal lantern]

whisp is a real ass guy

[idle coyote]

[smoky phoenix]

For re-crafting an item with a powerup like 392 to 405 etc for dagger upgrade fromr asz,

1. Does it keep the current enchantment?
2. Do you need the 80 primal choas again?
3. Does it keep embelishment?

I treid googling but can't seem to find concrete answers

[obsidian beacon]

If everything is on cd and I’m in m+, do I spam the aoe finishers at 5 combo points or just melee until something comes off cd

[royal lantern]

keeps enchants and embelishment, dunno about chaos, Probs costs less chaos

[balmy condor]

yes, no, yes

[smoky phoenix]

wtf

What's the recraft cost for when i get this raz kill then?

[cedar silo]

what does bronze wrappings actually do

[balmy condor]

less

[balmy condor]

damage proc

[smoky phoenix]

pin says not to get it tho?

[cedar silo]

ok and its better than fang interesting

[balmy condor]

if it procs correctly it's better

[cedar silo]

faq shows it higher

[smoky phoenix]

When you say "less" i just need same mats then? like missive/primal metal materials?

[balmy condor]

we don't know if it procs how it's supposed to

[balmy condor]

it takes like 5 mettle and 7 metal or some shit idk

[cedar silo]

can u swap embelishment later on?

[balmy condor]

you can see it when you do the work order

yes

[smoky phoenix]

Ahh okay awesome tyvm

[cedar silo]

ok i think ima make a 405 dagger than idk what else would be good tbh

[balmy condor]

lariat

you craft lariat and dagger

[cedar silo]

cause we use this as an off hand later when we get mythic dagger from second to last boss

[balmy condor]

and then maybe when you get mythic drops you drop the dagger

[smoky oracle]

if i say alrdy used a spark on pvp boots...should i use my only remaining one on neck or dag?

[smoky phoenix]

Lets say i attempt the 405 dagger and it fails to like, idk, 396 or soemthing, can i just recraft it till it gets to 405?

[balmy condor]

probably dag for ilvl

[balmy condor]

ye

[smoky oracle]

ty

[smoky phoenix]

Awesome ty so much whyspr for the consistent and quick answers

You're a real one

[balmy condor]

I try my best

[topaz pebble]

For a dagger to get 405 you need a concentrated primal infusion?

[balmy condor]

yes

[drifting cloud]

no just a normal primal infusion

[balmy condor]

I don't know names apparently

[smoky phoenix]

conc is 415

or no?

[balmy condor]

idk

[drifting cloud]

418 yeah

[balmy condor]

there's a fucking thing you add

[smoky phoenix]

418 there we go

[topaz pebble]

And those only drop from raids/ m+?

[balmy condor]

the thing you add, adds ilvl

[smoky phoenix]

I really need to get another titan matrix IV

But i dont wanna spam m+ for 15 hours

[subtle tundra]

huh

you dont get matrix from m+

[oak sky]

how do you get it actually

i havent been paying much attention to crafting

[subtle tundra]

the thing you need to craft 382 items?

thats the matrix iv

[drifting cloud]

m0, wq, its for 382 why bother

[oak sky]

isnt there one for 405

[subtle tundra]

thats called something else

[oak sky]

is that the primal infusion

[subtle tundra]

you need to do 10x m11-m15

[drifting cloud]

that primal infusion, yeah 10-15 keys I think

[oak sky]

ah

[drifting cloud]

or whatever

[subtle tundra]

and you get one from killing last boss

[oak sky]

you can make it from raid too right

[subtle tundra]

yes

[oak sky]

yeah cool

[frigid briar]

Primal infusion

From last boss or doing 10 x+11s

[oak sky]

ill be doing my m+ too

just havent had much time yet

[subtle tundra]

yea got both from last boss and m+ yesterday

but cant do anything with 2nd one

[smoky phoenix]

You get a primal infusion for 10x 11-15s?

tf?

There's a weekly for it or soemthing?

[cedar silo]

mythic is where it drops

[subtle tundra]

you get this

[cedar silo]

or from 20s

[smoky phoenix]

ohhhhh

[cedar silo]

the concentrated one

[smoky phoenix]

I see i see

[cedar silo]

the 418 one not the 405 one

[smoky phoenix]

100 primal chaos. OkBuddy.jepg

[subtle tundra]

the 418 one you get from +16 or above

[subtle tundra]

thats literally nothing

you get 11 from a 15

[cedar silo]

16s i thought it was 20s

[smoky phoenix]

oh.

See this is why i come here.

[frigid briar]

11+ keys drop 1 item, need 10 to turn into power infusion - each 11 key gives 4 primal chaos as well

[smoky phoenix]

Becasue you guys tell me the cool shit that i dont know

[subtle tundra]

now i need to do a vault to get my m+ score

[cedar silo]

big fan btw infexious im subbed

[smoky phoenix]

That's sick, then i should be able to spam 11-15's after raid and get another 405 piece probably

[subtle tundra]

i havent done a single hov or vault yesterday cause its inefficient

[smoky phoenix]

BigFan

[frigid briar]

Whysper is main man

[subtle tundra]

actually 40 minutes dungeons

[cedar silo]

very big fan of whysper hes the sensei

[topaz pebble]

@subtle tundra 40 min dungeons for 15 keys?

+15's

[smoky phoenix]

Waht'd we figure out trinket wise to replace puzzlebox with anyways?

[subtle tundra]

im going based off timers
but like an academy is 15 minute adventure

so its twice as fast

[topaz pebble]

Wait you did an academy in 15 minutes? what level key? to be clear lol

[subtle tundra]

when we were pushing the keys on low ones yes

[topaz pebble]

ohh i see

[subtle tundra]

even +10

granted we were group that has played beta

[smoky phoenix]

For weapon enchants, is the main hand procced more than the offhand? assuming two different enchants?

[royal lantern]

no

procs are normalised

[smoky phoenix]

awesome, tyvm

[subtle tundra]

hmmm the combat log file from yesterday is 1.6 gb and cant upload, but when i split it just creates another 1.6gb file

[balmy condor]

this isn't trade chat

[topaz pebble]

What missive would you guy suggest for the short blade if i wanted to bounce between assa and outlaw in the raid?

[weak horizon]

guys

are rogue nerfs coming

they are doing really well in vault

pls no rogue nerfs

[balmy condor]

do we look like blizzard to you

[weak horizon]

i secretly hope you're blizzard

[oak sky]

rogue players "beg for nerfs" all beta cycle then end up with the top 3 specs in day 1 of heroic

[balmy condor]

do you think I would have time to sit in discord for 14 hours a day for months at a time

if I were blizzard

[royal lantern]

ask realz

[dark token]

yes

outlaw is A tier

it will get nerf

sin/sub are safe at B tier

[royal lantern]

i thought all game devs are lazy and hate their game, onnline boards told me so

[sick aspen]

is glacial fury the flask we're using for raid?

[royal lantern]

@subtle tundra btw, is it just me, or does lifepools feels slightly overtuned lol

[royal lantern]

elemental chaos or vers, would take vers

[balmy condor]

anyhting other than that

[sick aspen]

lol thanks whispyr

[sick aspen]

Thank you

[thorn crater]

What’s the name of the vers one again?

[sick aspen]

Tepid Versatility

[subtle tundra]

there's definetly some choke points

requires excellent healing

all 3 bosses are difficult

[royal lantern]

we wiped 4x cus a fking dragon landed into us while clearing trash

[subtle tundra]

that requires knowledge of the dragon patrol

[weak horizon]

How does sin feel in raid to you guys right now? Is it as strong as warcraft logs makes it seem?

[minor rover]

How does assa rogues be feeling in the fresh content boys?

[blissful crown]

I played outlaw in last nights raid, and i couldn't keep up with our assa rogue on ST fights

[minor rover]

kekbur

[chrome night]

sin ST is crazy felt really good on ST fight/ if your team needs boss dmg/execute

[minor rover]

I feel like they are mega strong in st, but in atleast m+ cleave they feel mediocre at best. It might be me beeing a bad player tho, its very likely

[weak horizon]

Makes sense in ST, I guess I just was expecting it to feel not so great in many of the fights since most of them are not ST

[rotund arch]

If it looks strong on logs then it is strong

[kindred rapids]

It's good ofc

Rotation is not super exciting

But that can be a good thing

[subtle tundra]

small cleave assa definetly lacking

[minor rover]

People playing DTB in raid? 🤔

[kindred rapids]

Some people are

I'm sure there's some kb enjoyers too

[minor rover]

yeah my impression exactly. It almost feels like I dont know what to do, and get stuck energy starved doing mediocre dmg

[subtle tundra]

well if youre energy starved that might be a you problem

[brazen zodiac]

varas!!

[subtle tundra]

stinky*

[fleet anchor]

I mean, real talk though. Rogues performing well early in a tier imo is partially because the spec is strong but also a decent function of the fact that Rogue resources are available about pretty much all the optimal rotational/setup changes.

[brazen zodiac]

dinky**

[oak sky]

yeah man im just being sarcastic obviously

[dire lodge]

rogue feels so good in raid rn

[fleet anchor]

Quite a few people even in Mythic guilds are still pretty much having to figure out how to play on live 😛

[oak sky]

most people don't have access to tier and higher level gear yet

[dire lodge]

its a shame were prob getting nerf

when u get to beneath 35% as assa on the first two dps check raid bosses

im outta run em on mythic assa goes so crazy both fights

[subtle tundra]

as long as it gets compensated for m+ where we're not as good im fine.

[fleet anchor]

I mean frankly I don't think Rogues are doing enough right now they should be nerfed

[subtle tundra]

but blizz usually forgets about m+ when it does raid balances

[dire lodge]

also sub rogue on council is fucking ridiculous lol

you can stack all 4 bosses and just spam their aoe

rogue is just good everywhere

[fleet anchor]

Good DKs are easily just as good as Rogues and plenty of other specs are very close

[dire lodge]

if assa is bad on a fight sub is prob top 3 dps

[royal lantern]

shameless self praising

smh my head

[fleet anchor]

I'm ok being shameless when some specs don't even have functional sims 😛

A lot of work went into this from many people here lol

[royal lantern]

its ok, you can say warlock

[dire lodge]

true rogue is like the least played class right and it has a lot of good guides available

[royal lantern]

and hunter hides stuff behind patreon aswell now btw

[fleet anchor]

I also don't really know why people freak the fuck out just because Rogue is on top, as if Rogue isn't allowed to be on top.

[subtle tundra]

yea... warlock seems pretty bad... nvm they just dont want blizz to know its good

[fleet anchor]

Being on top isn't really important for buff/nerf, it's how much on top that is a problem

[dire lodge]

i mean how quickly did people find out about cold blood + st for sub, ER in pvp, or now assassination is being slowly revealed as a S+ tier solo shuffle spec. rogue had benefit of being an underdog this xpac in terms of strength

[fleet anchor]

I don't really think there's enough being shown here to justify any additional nerfs

Warlocks were way way way further ahead the last few tiers and stayed there and nobody at Blizzard seemed to care 😛

[dire lodge]

there was so much bad press about rogues from the beta i feel like

atleast in more popular and generalized wow resources

not the rogue discord

i guess we had atrophic poison hype and outlaw has been hype for a while but

[fleet anchor]

People wanna act like Rogue isn't a pure DPS spec with limited utility and that it's crazy that they are top of damage

[dire lodge]

sub and assa after numbers were revealed = no hype

[fleet anchor]

When like..

That's literally the main role Rogue has in raid lol

[royal lantern]

we ignore destrolock doing 3x more dmg then everyone else for the entire Patch

no no, we cant nerf now, MDI happens soon oops xD

[dire lodge]

ye

[royal lantern]

oh, tier is over

sucks to be you, sorry

[dire lodge]

i mean is it confirmed assa is getting hit yet or am i doomsaying

[fleet anchor]

Spec so overtuned they didn't want to nerf it because it would make the fights too hard if they did

[royal lantern]

certified warlock moment

[fleet anchor]

Gold standard right there

[dire lodge]

the warcraft logs are just looking a little ominous and most mythic raiding guilds seem to be running atleast 2 assassination rogues lul

or atleast a few i looked thru

[fleet anchor]

Oh no, guilds running two Rogues

[dire lodge]

so anecdote

but spec is viable

[dire lodge]

this but unironically

blizz cant let rogue be good

u know this

[royal lantern]

i mean, is 2rogues bad when 2warlocks 2mages and 2-3 druids is STANDART lol

[fleet anchor]

World is ending when people run more than 1 of any melee. 4 Warlocks is ok though.

[dire lodge]

true

as long as everyone is playing boomkin and warlock

everything is stable

classes that are allowed to stay broken for the majority of patches across multiple expansions. then u get stuff like rogue, arcane mage, shadow priest = kind of unlucky

[grim jay]

You cant compare general rogue with arcane mage tho😄

[dire lodge]

true

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha, rogue is REALLY good rn and will probs take a hit

but when you see "omg they stack 2! TWO!!!! ROGUES!!!!" I just laugh cus its normal for each ranged class to be Picked 2-3x by default lol

[dire lodge]

arcane mage has sacrificed more then most religious saints

every time that spec is top tier

they get crucified

for the rest of the expac

lul

[fleet anchor]

We are always very transparent about sims, performance, etc. have never tried to hide our numbers from Realz or anyone else. I think Rogues are pretty well balanced, as are a lot of the melee. Lots of the top end does require a good group comp with WFT though. If they wanna bump up actual underperforming specs I won't ever complain about that. But would be disappointed if Rogue got nerfed heavily just for being good the first week.

[royal lantern]

sub moment incomming

shadowstrike removed

im calling it

[dire lodge]

tbh if assa gets hit

sub has fine single target

it seems

sub is bad on a few fights but for the most part right behind assa

[fleet anchor]

Especially since the Normal/Heroic damage patterns may not really translate to Mythic

[dire lodge]

yes, this is true. i usually wouldnt be paranoid about heroic/norm early logs if it wasnt literally just 3 yellow bars at the top of every boss

[fleet anchor]

But also can't really take the first day chart as anything meaningful either

[dire lodge]

bit of hyperbole but still its pretty apparent rogue is strong

[fleet anchor]

like for example

Havoc is in the middle bottom of the normal chart right now

And Havoc fucking pumps right now

[dire lodge]

if havoc is bad they lose 30% of their subs

buff them immediately

[fleet anchor]

Like there's no way the WCL chart represents Havoc's actual power level atm

[dire lodge]

have they nerfed tanks yet

i watched a blood dk kill that ice spider boss in vault

from 6 percent to dead

solo

[grim jay]

Blood dk always was pretty self sufficient

[dire lodge]

yet its still crazy each time it happens

was fun though

[fleet anchor]

Right now it also pretty much just comes down to who has gear anyway

[royal lantern]

not even full first day lol, the chart came out when the raid was not open for 24hours in EU

[grim jay]

Might aswell outgear it pretty much at some point ye

[dire lodge]

everytime i thought the blood dk was dead .. he would restore full hp. happened like 7 times. might have 2 level my dk

[grim jay]

I think most people dont even raid on wednesday 😁

[royal lantern]

yep

never play on patchday

[dire lodge]

what day do most ppl raid

[fleet anchor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8gtQFVAyZrm3b2aL#fight=38&type=damage-done
Man I thought Ret was dogwater tier 🤣

[dire lodge]

friday/sat?

[royal lantern]

no lol

[grim jay]

From my experience thursday and sunday

[royal lantern]

thursday/sunday in my expirience are popular days

friday/saturday are big no no's

people wanna go out on those days

not have every single weekend evening beeing wow reserved

[grim jay]

Most 3 day raids go with monday/tuesday after that

[dire lodge]

thats true

[fleet anchor]

Strange thing about this raid is that Rogues end up high on the aggregate chart because they are decent on all fights and not bad on many. But there are actually quite a few fights where other specs are easily beating Rogue. e.g. Boomies/MM are just obliterating Rogue numbers on Council.

[barren lintel]

Well liquid had 4MM and 3 Demo locks. So 2 rogues should be fine. Especially since they had 2 warriors, dh, enhancer and frost dks

[grim jay]

Felt a bit uneasy with discord being down close to raidstart yesterday, this time it wasnt blizz

[dire lodge]

i usually just do the raid with friends whenever everyone is free. i mainly do heroic max since last two expacs have been dogwater. makes sense tho

a static raiding schedule is kind of a crazy thing

id get benched asap

busy man lately

[fleet anchor]

I kinda expect the chart to change a fair bit as the week goes on

[dawn haven]

What's the setup for Deathmark? I feel like mine is doing 0 damage compared to other sin rogues

[nocturne current]

Is your guys's Shadowstep also bugged when switching between talents in the same spec?

The character learns Shadowstep if you're going from 2 steps to 1 step and then, unlearns Shadowstep also in the same process, unlearning Shadowstep completely even if you're talented into it?

[winter gale]

Bronze wrapps on both daggers?

[dire lodge]

what is a wripple in time

ur dots tick faster

or what

ripple*

[cunning surge]

It's just arcane damage proc

[nocturne current]

Switching from 2 steps to 1 step just completely unlearns Shadowstep and it's a major mess.

[dire lodge]

oh

[cunning surge]

Like the Cobalt Assembly Ring

[dire lodge]

better then the fang thing?

rip

i just crafted my dagger

[cunning surge]

According to sims and Whispyr's Spreadsheet

You can recraft it and change the Embellishment

[dire lodge]

yeah but i think mine inspired to rank 5

[cunning surge]

Oh shit

[dire lodge]

would have to go thru that again

ye

[cunning surge]

I mean I don't think Fang is THAT far behind Bronzed Grip

[bold lodge]

guys what do i put in my lariat mas majority / crit or just mastery

[winter gale]

Can those embellishments be put on whichever weapon I have?

[dire lodge]

does recrafting destroy enchants? if i lose this 3 star sophic devotion i might cry

[cunning surge]

Only a crafted weapon afaik

[winter gale]

Or is there a dagger that can be crafted

[dark token]

time to recraft for 240k

[cunning surge]

What the hell is that price

RIP

[winter gale]

Its 80ish k on my server

Was last nigt*

[bold lodge]

https://i.imgur.com/SSsO1ym.png

[rapid stratus]

Court of stars ring worth spending valor on this early? im guessing so

[dire lodge]

yea what server are u guys on tf

240k

at that point im on an alt picking up my tailoring profession quests

[ebon notch]

You can sim it

[grim jay]

Does it even matter if its Q2 or Q3 for the proc itself?

[nocturne current]

Top notch QA department

[rapid stratus]

o ya duh

[nocturne current]

I had to solve this by having to make a "third" spec without Shadowstep to transition to specs that have SDS among them.

[bold lynx]

in my server it cost 250k aHAHAHA

how is the gain vs the bleed one?

[signal flame]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[royal lantern]

embelishments are really really minor

no 250k+ difference worth

[rustic crown]

can someone link me a video or a vod of someone playing assa in dungeons/raid? I wanna get into assa but I rly have no clue how to start, wanna watch someone first...

[grim jay]

Whispyrs guide on method should be enough. You only need to get the deathmark sequence right and everything else is really basic

[keen raven]

whats the best timing to use puzzle box in ur rotation for both kingsbane/non kingsbane

[drifting cloud]

theres this idiot that stream on twitch his channel name is varras

[subtle tundra]

I have vod for m+ ranging from +4 to 15 and normal raid

I think it should be

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[flint ridge]

!guide

[subtle tundra]

It's a 16 hour vod

Yes I degenerated yesterday

[acoustic sky]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[worn panther]

anyone able to do a Log Review

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rzHhMJkxYcn8AwdX

Feel like I did ok?

But logs say otherwise lmfao

[normal mist]

So nice to see assa rogues in the world first kills

[frozen jasper]

Little confused with the wording of deathmark. Does it only buff existing bleeds and poisons dmg and if you override one it doesnt anymore?

[normal mist]

Before and during

Just not after

[frozen jasper]

So pandemic refreshing during dm totally fine Right?

[normal mist]

Yes

[frozen jasper]

Ty

[normal mist]

The only thing you might want to have during DM is improved garrote

(from vanish)

[frozen jasper]

Figured! Thanks

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JuaEa/dcaa28cc4e.jpg

assa bad in m+

[normal mist]

What key level was that seli?

[marble hemlock]

15 academy

had some nasty quaking in 16

slowly playing up keys rn

iq doesnt have very good gear

[subtle tundra]

Playing with dh buff monk buff Warr buff

[normal mist]

Poggers good luck man. I'm just doing pvp this week

[subtle tundra]

Inflated dps 🤓

[marble hemlock]

actually didnt even think about that

[subtle tundra]

And druid

[marble hemlock]

i just hit up whoever was online and not already in grp

[rustic crown]

what is the 'Vendeta' macro?

[subtle tundra]

Actually 15% dps increase from comp

Well a bit lower

[marble hemlock]

[subtle tundra]

It's my deathmark

Just didn't change from before

[rustic crown]

oh yeah haha, ty, watching the VOD rn i think it will help me also followed the stream

[subtle tundra]

🥰

[worn panther]

is it ok to envenom at Max-1 CP?

[earnest imp]

Seliathan was that dmg log with DTB

[marble hemlock]

nah

kb/ic

no 4set yet

[plain flax]

topping each boss last night boss the dream is real

[earnest imp]

I tried it too after talk with you yesterday

Felt amazing

With 4 set Ur going dtb?

[flint ridge]

For dtb build do u guys just spam sbs or save one charge always ?

[flint ridge]

is that ID + KB build

[balmy condor]

You always finish on max-1

[dawn merlin]

Warrior slapping also

[covert cliff]

Were the other two DPS 12 or something? They should be blasting

[royal lantern]

academy is not add heavy

assa beats both for bosses

[subtle tundra]

The what

It's the most add heavy dungeon

[next edge]

[subtle tundra]

It's big pull after big pull

[next edge]

I'm sure you were confused tere Tryan

Academy is the msot add-heavy dung by far

[tacit pebble]

is this opener ok

[marble hemlock]

iq has 372 wep

chizix is an alt

but assa is just kinda insane in academy

[next edge]

I think you did an extra muti there

[subtle tundra]

It's like the only dungeon where it's better than outlaw

But still worse than sub

Xd

[tacit pebble]

pressed pot too early too, besides that seems good tho

[marble hemlock]

revoking your assa otp card

[tacit pebble]

the classic no poisons on pull and mut being replaced with disenchant on my bars at the start

[subtle tundra]

Where else is assa better

[marble hemlock]

everywhere

[next edge]

my heart

[subtle tundra]

Objectively speaking

😐

[grim jay]

Rogue is always better than outlaw

[meager granite]

where is the stream seli?

[marble hemlock]

theres no objectively

people just like to pretend outlaw is huge for m+ when it does nothing special beside dps

[iron hound]

Hello every assa rogues here. A newby rogue here.

I know there is a rotation guide in this discord group. I studied it, but I am still having some questions about the rotations.

Do Mutilate still be using to generate combo points? Cz in the guide, no Mutilate was used in the rotation.

Perhaps I can know how the opener look like and the rest of the rotation, based on different skill tree? Also is there any code that I can used to combine two skills together to make a macro?

Your guidance will be much appreciated. Thank you.

[marble hemlock]

nothing the other specs cant do (or can do better) anyway

[royal lantern]

muh gouge

(they dont skill it)

[grim jay]

Thats speccism right there, only greeting the sin rogues

[marble hemlock]

so idk why people still say "Omg outlaw so good for m+" as if it somehow provides any utility or damage pattern that sub/assa cant

[slim estuary]

Uncapped aoe?

[marble hemlock]

?

both assa and sub are better at uncapped aoe?

[royal lantern]

aoe caps are a meme anyway

like, they never really mattered

[slim estuary]

oh I misread that completely

[grim jay]

Mutilate is the Main builder outside of your generalized opener. Did you take a look at whispyrs guide on fe method?

[trim zinc]

Yes mut to get cps
Don't macro mut and ambush it's not good
Go in the FAQs there's all u wanna know there

[trim zinc]

There's a lot of packs that have alot of targets

Idk

[exotic robin]

Hey guys, is there anyone who could help me with sin rogue plese? I think that I am really underperforming right now. My numbers look so low against other sin rogues on wclogs.

[rigid comet]

Bois how do we do the opener with the DtB build that doesnt run shrouded suffocation?

[trim zinc]

U can do
Gar sbs snd er rupt dm etc
Doesn't matter that much

[rigid comet]

ok ty so much

[small meteor]

first raid night and i am topping the chart bless you whispyr could not have done shit without your guidance 🙏

[next edge]

Demon slaps in m+ too

[iron hound]

Sorry, I do not catch you there. FE method?

[grim jay]

Fe is for example

Smartphone lazyness

[royal lantern]

remember MM hunter in SL season1? giga aoe monster, you pulled big and they obliterated the packs

MM has target caps btw

turns out, when dmg is high, the caps dont matter

[next edge]

U dont pull more than 8 mobs lot of timesa nyway

[royal lantern]

^

espacily in DF dungeons it seems that way

lots of group dmg Happening

[slim estuary]

isnt that an argument for outlaw though?

[next edge]

Is an argument for everyone

[royal lantern]

no, its an argument for "people overthink target caps"

[next edge]

IF class does big dmg

it will do no matter

liek Outlaw was capped at 5 target in SL

and it was rly good in keys

[grizzled ruin]

is bronze grip from raid?

[royal lantern]

recipee,yes

[grim jay]

Auction house if you dont craft it yourself, the drop itself is from raids

[strange silo]

Hey i have atm 392 dagger without embellishment
is there a way to sim whats more worth 405 recraft with embellishment or neck 405? droptimizer doesnt let you choose those kinds atleast i didnt see the option

[grim jay]

Why dont you do both?

[strange silo]

at this point i only have 1 infusion will get my second after raid

[grim jay]

I'd just recraft the dagger with embellishment. You dont have a higher MH but you have the lariat on 392 I guess?

[rigid comet]

for M+ its better the DtB build or the KB+IC? im doing 10+ so the pulls should last

[strange silo]

ye my oh is just 379 and lariat will be either 392 or 405
i thought so too because mh dps is overall the best gain and there is the embellishment but not sure thats why i wanted to sim this

[grim jay]

You basically get ilvl+embellishment as dps upgrades with going for the dagger und its not expensive to recraft the lariat later

[dense herald]

whats the go with storm-eaters boon, do we make a cancel aura macro or something?

[grim jay]

On my Server recrafting weapon is way more expensive

[strange silo]

yea gotta ask my blacksmith if he even can craft 405 with stats and t2 embellishment cuz t3 bronzed is around 230k xd

[cobalt hemlock]

so right now we can to craft 2 things and its the dagger and the bronze wrappings?

not the neck

[teal bloom]

Dagger+wrapping is one thing so you can craft both the dagger and necklace

[cobalt hemlock]

oh cool ty