assassination

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[spring walrus]

is worth do a macro with tea and shiv?

[thorn crater]

Wait is echo old method?

[balmy condor]

yes

well

[ruby lotus]

parts of yea

[balmy condor]

kinda

[thorn crater]

Then how

[limber lion]

??

[thorn crater]

Rerun of beta?

[limber lion]

Method was EU as well

my guy

[oak sky]

Prob showing bdgg

[thorn crater]

No I mean about the raid

[limber lion]

But yeah maybe just restreaming beta or something

or bdgg

[ruby lotus]

%

[limber lion]

Probably bdgg stream

[ruby lotus]

^

[oak sky]

Bdgg and echo usually collab on this

But it still could be beta

[limber lion]

Okay just opened the stream and yeah it's literally just BDGG

It's Dratnos and Tettles casting, Ellesmere playing

lol

[uncut flicker]

@limber lion i check opener with this build #assassination-faq message and you can see KB isn't select

then, 2 solution: Opener not update or build not update

[balmy condor]

the opener just has KB

when it shouldn't

the opener says "dragon tempered mythic+"

[limber lion]

Oh right just a faulty pic yeah

true

there's 2 pics

i'm the dumb one now gg's in the chat

back to rare farming

[uncut flicker]

it's ok dude it's ok

If you have the same english level that me, i can understand why you don't understand xD

[swift dagger]

The new ST opener in FAQ for DTB desyncs Vanish+Deathmark at the opener. On 2 minute mark do we delay DM for what, 5-10 seconds I cant remember exact, to line up Vanish+DM for ImpGarrote or just send and possibly keep them desynced for rest of the fight? Delaying should be fine as long as we dont lose a cast yeah?

[storm onyx]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

ye, should be fine

[swift dagger]

[outer lodge]

When playing the KB IC m+ build with 1 shiv - do we still save shiv for KB window or just use on cd

[spice spire]

Save

[outer lodge]

use it during last 8 seconds of KB or with KB?

[balmy condor]

last 8

[abstract meteor]

does deathmark just re apply the bleeds u have on target or do i need to reapply after deathmark

[tranquil moat]

damn, sin feels nice

[outer cairn]

m+ builds kb+ic with exsang now and dtb has kb? pictures messed up?

[alpine latch]

watching James run normal - Teros seems easy and wind boi just seems like storming + final boss of workshop

[lethal heart]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[tranquil moat]

I've been wanting to play sin for a bit to try it, do you think there's still a large gap in DPS between outlaw and sin in keys?

[alpine latch]

If you can play both specs at an equal level, Outlaw will outperform Sin in keys. However, unless you're really pushing key difficulty you are perfectly fine running Sin

[tranquil moat]

Makes complete sense

[visual slate]

Why would anyone pick DTB for m+ again?

[alpine latch]

The difference in damage is minimal?

So why not if you enjoy it

[visual slate]

You lose IC and that sucks major ass

[alpine latch]

!whysper

Damn, does he not have a command still?

It's less than 1% difference

[spice spire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

Nevermind, it's 1.6% difference

Oh fuck I just can't spell

[arctic cloud]

IC is to good to drop but i really wanna try DTB

[alpine latch]

[final shadow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[alpine latch]

But yeah - a 1.6% difference isn't that major unless you're really pushing

Once you're pushing far enough most people won't be playing assa anyway

[smoky phoenix]

Oh right, what do we use our second spark on?

[outer cairn]

anything on the elemental lariat still being the go to or not?

[alpine latch]

I haven't seen the numbers but it's only 22 stat loss. I can't imagine it's that gamebreaking of a "nerf"

[outer cairn]

I wasn't thinking so either

[alpine latch]

What did you spend your first on?

[thin ingot]

whats the opener?

[alpine latch]

#assassination-faq

[strange python]

With which talent build are you guys going for raid st?

I'm just watching jpc and he's playing w a whole other build then we have noted in the faq

[smoky phoenix]

Dagger @alpine latch

[alpine latch]

Then probably Lariat

You should be able to sim it if you're worried about wasting it

[spice spire]

He’s just running DTB build

[cloud moat]

DTB will likely be go-to for bosses without an execute rushdown

[alpine latch]

DTB sims great and it's easier to play - most people will probably run it. Especially while learning new fights

[clear shell]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[swift dagger]

I dont know why but I keep doing 10% less dps than simdps for 5min training dummy (yes no buffs in sim), is this specific for DTB or am I just out of shape?

[alpine latch]

Are you simming with full raid buffs?

[swift dagger]

no buffs in Raidbots.

[hoary remnant]

what poisons we apply when playing DTB?

[swift dagger]

I think I'll just log next one and really deep dive cuz this bothers me heavily idk where im doing wrong

[odd heath]

Deadly and amp

[hoary remnant]

k ty thought so just checking

[vestal wren]

sim for target dummy not patchwerk

[brazen nimbus]

Anyone know what time m+ releases for EU? some people say in 8hours~

[vestal wren]

with reset

[swift dagger]

I did

fuck, at least I have something to practice now

[trim zinc]

No?
It's just dtb

[swift dagger]

its the build from Fuu's sheet, not in Assa FAQ

cuz double Shiv+DTB

[trim zinc]

What u mean

It's literal there

[swift dagger]

Oh youre right, I was still living in the past

mb mb

[visual slate]

Do DTB builds suck before we get 4pc?

[balmy condor]

no

[copper hazel]

i sim higher with DTB ST than kingsbane, so id say no

[pure spoke]

If anyone crafted the 392 dagger - what was your crafting fee?

[thorn fjord]

Boy oh boy do i hate twitch stream chat

Jp running DTB rn

[alpine latch]

My server is full of people spamming in trade for 1k 392s

[thorn fjord]

Wondering why over KB right now being that no tier yet

And all the twitch chads went off

[spice spire]

Easier to play tbh

When learning fights makes a lot of sense

[swift dagger]

DTB prolly also sims better for most ppl even at our gear levels

[balmy condor]

I mean KB just also isn't better

lmao

[thorn fjord]

I thought it was w/o tier

Its simming higher for me currently

[balmy condor]

and it isn't for others

[oblique wasp]

bois tomorrow we are going at it (EU)

[alpine latch]

It's going to be weird being last prio for set bonuses in DF

[thorn fjord]

current DTB build in faq's the right one? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

yes

[thorn fjord]

ty

[spice spire]

🤨

[pine grove]

Is the set weaker for us than others?

[spice spire]

In our shard?

[alpine latch]

No, set is great for us - I left my guild I've been with since 2005 and I'm trialing for a CE guild

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

L

[thorn fjord]

man i thought KB was gonna be the chicken dinner

[pine grove]

Oh, I see. Yeah. F.

[spice spire]

If ur warrior is running fury they’re griefing tho

[alpine latch]

max cp - 1

Pretty much always been that way and it mostly has followed for all 3 spes

[thorn fjord]

Anxiety starts to set in

[oblique wasp]

can I ask - in US the season already started yes? if so, anyone here has any initial opinions on sins in keys and raid?

[limber lion]

Yes

[copper hazel]

literally started an hour ago

so like

sure go sin it up

[oblique wasp]

I am asking for subjective feel really because I made a rule for myself that DF I am sin only so I am excited af, prob won't be able to sleep I have three days off to farm season 1

[echo heath]

still feels like i'm getting a lot of poison bombs

[oblique wasp]

is the optimal M+ as sin again the principle that tank should feed me new targets constantly? SO that I ca advise my meta playing friends 😄

[hoary remnant]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[mystic fractal]

what phials we running gang? Trying to figure out which specialization to care about in alch for duration efficiency

[oblique wasp]

we running Elemental Chaos

[solar tangle]

which specc would you play for fight like raszageth? the ST Raid or with the few ads direct the m+ build ?

[royal lantern]

nah, fk off with that rng phial

vers is the best one

[open arrow]

if you play the execute st build you use amplifying posion over instant poision right?

[royal lantern]

cheap to buy cus bigbrains think corrupting rage actually has any value at all+less dmg taken during prog is bis

[oblique wasp]

if you run ampl, you use ampl over deadly as far as I know

[oblique wasp]

Whispyr wrote Elemental, I run Elemental

[echo heath]

so its amp/instant not amp/deadly?

if so, whoops

[oblique wasp]

you nenver use instant

[outer cairn]

amp/deadly

[open arrow]

ah alright, ty 🙂

[oblique wasp]

you have instant incorporated basically in deadly - if you re-inject it it makes instant effect

[brittle burrow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[smoky phoenix]

okay back

If i crafted dagger week 2, what do i craft this week with sparks?

[alpine latch]

lariat

[smoky phoenix]

Awesome tyvm

[swift dagger]

Alright I managed to get to 4% below Training Dummy simdps Im getting there

Problem was I wasnt mashing my buttons hard enough

[alpine latch]

when in doubt, hit the keyboard harder

[loud horizon]

Hey guys which talent build are you guys gonna play for raid?

i know its in assa-faq but there are 2 builds

i am not sure which one to pick

or are they almost similar ?

[echo heath]

DTB sims 1000dps higher for me, maybe sim your character

[swift dagger]

I was playing too much around Envenom uptime when I shouldnt have to worry about that at all unless I get energy starved. Just lost casts by playing energy conservative for no reason

[loud horizon]

ah kk ty yeah i guess i will just sim

[dawn kelp]

DTB going to have envenom as top dam by a lot over poisons?

[outer cairn]

kb is simming only 200 higher than dtb for me so i mean, i can pick or choose really

[oblique wasp]

My plan is to start with DDTB because it is written that kingsbane is ore like burst and execute - so that I can carry my raid team rather than hope for phase which we might not see at all 😄

[swift dagger]

Yeah but DTB is also a lot easier to just play on progress so that should weigh some

[outer cairn]

yeah that's what i'm probably going to do tonight anyways

[oblique wasp]

and also with kingsbane you have to carefully perform it so that you have everything for chunky deeps

but DTB for beginning seems straightforward ... just wiggle knifes and dispense industrial amounts of toxin into environment

[outer cairn]

bleed for me baby

[rich patrol]

When do we use channeled trinkets for DTB opener? the KB opener lists when to use it but not DTB?

[balmy condor]

it's a lot more loose on DTB

as long as you use it before dm it's fine

[swift dagger]

Well the setup for KB isnt too hard it kinda lines up with everything timing-wise but its just extra button to worry about

[outer cairn]

as Freddy K says, "what are you screaming for? I haven't even cut you yet."

[rich patrol]

I would accept that for any other thing in the rotation, but I hate the channeled trinkets. need a hard spot for it lol

[modest gale]

is jpc playing dragon-tempered?

[dark token]

Yes

Cause it's better

[outer cairn]

hopefully lots of cutscenes in the raid that make all 4 poisons fall off over and over again

[dark token]

And easier

[swift oak]

Hello in the faq it is said that "You should aim to cast[exsangue] it BEFORE Deathmark, and sync them together for most situations." so you wanna hold death mark and use it every 3 minutes ? or do i understand this badly ?

[outer cairn]

no

[modest gale]

i got surprised he played mostly sin tbf

[swift dagger]

Unsure why hes running KB on Raszageth

[rich patrol]

sync Echoing and exsang

[balmy condor]

idk why people are so surprised that sin is good

[rich patrol]

not Deathmark

[balmy condor]

after I've been telling people sin is good

[outer cairn]

they'll naturally sync back up over the course of the fight, but you don't hold DM for Exsang

[balmy condor]

for like

months

[oblique wasp]

you first do exsang, and only after that you pop deathmark - if you do it other way around, you will destroy half of deathmark duration that's why

[balmy condor]

and the sims have been saying sin is good

for months

[swift oak]

ok thanks for the reply

[modest gale]

we were not used to see sin being good 😛

[teal bloom]

Outlaw is higher in tier list, how can sin be good

[echo heath]

because games are filled with children

[balmy condor]

twitch chat was like WOAH SIN???????????????

and I was about to lose it

[queen crest]

What's everyone running for Phials? NOthing in the FAQ and Chaos seems super RNG and Vers is our worst stat 😛

[swift dagger]

@balmy condor Any idea why JPC might be running KB over DTB on Raszageth?

[balmy condor]

cause he feels like it

[swift dagger]

Was wondering if there was something i wasnt understanding

[echo heath]

no see, we need you to fucking delve into his psyche and really find out why he's playin g

[balmy condor]

read a guide

[echo heath]

KB

[pale plank]

Omg sin is good? /s

[queen crest]

I am and I'm seeing some that say Unbound Chaos, some that say Glacial Fury, and some that say Vers lol

[oblique wasp]

Element

[balmy condor]

then look at this and make your own decision

idk

[stable atlas]

stupid question cuz new to class: deathmark says it duplicates garrote/rupture etc applied to the target...does this mean it duplicates the stuff that's already ON the target or that gets applied after the cast?

[queen crest]

ty

[balmy condor]

both

[swift dagger]

Duplicates everything that ticks during Deathmark debuff

[stable atlas]

alright thank you!

[swift dagger]

well, bleeds n poisons if we're specific

[stable atlas]

yea

[wooden sentinel]

guys i need to be reassured, are we good for the incoming patch?

We do not suck for once?

[shrewd night]

Nah, we suck man.

[slate aurora]

whats the cheaper version of our weapon enchant called again?

[tired crag]

we're ass

[shrewd night]

Never been worse.

[limber vector]

Best stats on crafted dagger for sin?

[hoary remnant]

Which Phial is best for sin? Static or rage?

[balmy condor]

all the world first rogues are actually playing assassination to bait EU into playing assassination tomorrow

[solar tangle]

is our "execute specc" kingsbane or the other one?

[balmy condor]

kb

[hoary remnant]

ty very much

[solar tangle]

is it harder to play then dagon tempered blades? or same level?

[balmy condor]

idk it's probably a little harder

[crisp shard]

Whispyr working overtime

[balmy condor]

it's got exsang and kb

two full buttons

[balmy condor]

it's a release day

[solar tangle]

exsang just not in dreathmark .. i remember this xD

[coral sierra]

Whispyr can you do my taxes for me

[limber vector]

What stats do we take on crafted for sin, still vers crit? Tyty x

[crisp shard]

Do we have an update on neck craft and dagger embellishments?

[crisp shard]

And one where sin is very prevalent

[mint dagger]

@balmy condor Anything on the neck being the pref craft item yet or nah?? still tbd

[thorn crater]

was there any outlaw/sub on any fights?

or are they powering through wtih sin?

[swift dagger]

Jpc ran outlaw on at least 2 fights

[crisp shard]

Ik imperative played outlaw on first boss mythic and JPC been swapping

[thorn crater]

cheers

[balmy condor]

how do you not even know the stat prio, everything should be crit mast

[balmy condor]

neck is still pref

[limber vector]

Not touched sin in a very long time, thanks

[limber lion]

Don't think it's ever been crit/vers ever in the history of WoW

maybe in tbc, who knows

[earnest imp]

where are the assa m+ streamers

[balmy condor]

this crit/vers was wod maybe

[limber lion]

Sheesh

[thorn crater]

tbc didnt have vers

it had expertise i think?

cause fuckers parried like crazy

and hit rating

[scenic kelp]

i have a question for the dtb st opener. is it right that i do only 1 mutilate after snd and apply a 2cp rupture?

[shrewd night]

If the guides tell you to, then it is more than likely correct

[scenic kelp]

k thx 😄

[limber lion]

No, you follow normal finisher rules and finish at max-1

The 2cp ruptures etc. are only for Exsang builds

[scenic kelp]

ty!

[viscid obsidian]

when do you use the puzzlebox in the opener?

[split grail]

Does anyone else keep having their poisons fall off for no reason

[limber lion]

Just before Exsang

[limber lion]

Only when changing builds around.

[viscid obsidian]

ok ty

[balmy condor]

known bug with DTB

whenever you hit a load screen

[sullen hollow]

ya that

[earnest imp]

when we getting m+ action as assa Whispyr 😦

EU boyz anticipated

[compact wing]

Anyone not receive a keystone even after completing dungeons?

[tulip kernel]

are people crafting daggers ?

[distant birch]

I think it's dagger first

[tacit otter]

he just went offline, will be back later

[limber lion]

We don't really know what's the best play because embellishments are a bit of a mess. But dagger is a good safe bet, probs won't be replaced in a while especially if you recraft it at a higher ilvl later.

It's quite personal as well, depends quite a bit on your current gear.

[urban flint]

How is sin in M+ right now?

I've been running Outlaw but thinking about giving it a shot.

[limber lion]

Great.

[dark marten]

is each of the kingsbane builds in the FAQ BIS for the content?

[limber lion]

No it is not.

[dark marten]

is it tempered then?

[limber lion]

Yes

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

Here's some sims

[dark marten]

Thanks for sharing!

[tulip kernel]

do we wait for bronze embellishment or just say fuck it and go fang

[limber lion]

Up to you

I said fuck it go fang personally

[split grail]

Ugh...thanks

[chrome night]

may sound like a dumb question but we always pick amp poison when talented right ?

[signal pier]

yes

amp>

[chrome night]

thanks

[vestal stratus]

anyone have a macro so I can have mutilate and ambush proc on the same keybind?

[pearl glen]

quick question 🙂 why dont we use an 7cp rupture before the Death mark in the opener with Dragon tempered.

[vestal stratus]

its been so long since Ive played sin holy shit xD

[limber lion]

There's no macros that can do that, you need some special janky interactions for it and it's just not worth it at all.

[ionic fox]

ripoff to have someone craft 405 dagger for 50k? lol

[limber lion]

You can if you want, doesn't really matter.

[vestal stratus]

Fair play

[limber lion]

Seems fine if it's a random public, outside source.

[tropic spoke]

guys for dragon build, use deadly and amplyfiing poison?

[kindred heron]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[small meteor]

I just did it as an alt cast macro, so when I get the proc I hold down a key and it uses ambush instead

Doesn't take long to get used to it

[stable atlas]

when I'm way into the fight it says to sync vanish and deathmark...is the sequence vanish->garrote->deathmark -> normal rotation then?

[strange python]

yo guys,what phial/flask are we running on raid?

[brittle burrow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[brittle burrow]

in the spreadsheet down below is a info box for phials

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

Yes

[stable atlas]

thank you

[storm forum]

are the crafted items w/ embellishments expected to be BiS for the whole patch?

[limber lion]

Some of them yeah, but we're not 100% sure yet how most of them work and what's their actual value.

The hat for one looks pretty darn good if you have the mythic ring from Eranog as well

[solar tangle]

one question regarding the opener with kingsbane/exsang etc.. i press exsang => and then directly deathmark? or wait for exsang end?

[worthy stone]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Mastery > Haste > Versatility
Note: In high mythic+ keys, you may want more Versatility to survive. While you may see this on high end players gear, this is generally worse DPS. For pure DPS, Versatility is mostly avoided.

[limber lion]

The point is to sync Exsang and Deathmark together, that's what makes Exsang so strong.

So yes, you would press Deathmark right after Exsanguinate.

[solar tangle]

okay. .and the next exsang in the fight.. i will wait for deathmark?

[limber lion]

Depends on the fight timer, but yeah mostly holding Exsang should be fine

[solar tangle]

okay ty

[hearty junco]

are all rogues still crafting the neck?

[swift dagger]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

Dagger followed by neck is a good route

[arctic cloud]

I went into this expansion blind and spent my spark on week 1 🙂

[hearty junco]

yeah just need to find a dagger crafter, i got 405 mats, is there any other possible thing to craft?

[limber lion]

Or just make one yourself :')

Everything requires a specialization or a crafter if you want the maximum quality out of the things you make.

[hearty junco]

its prob too late

i would be 2 weeks behind i skill

[glacial steppe]

do we like swap from kb+ic to tampered depending on dungeon or what is the play

[hoary remnant]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[copper hazel]

i mean, thats up to you, your group, how your tank pulls

[glacial steppe]

tempered feels fun but manually dotting with rupture and ct feels weird

[keen plaza]

Which Blessing is better on Primal Ritual shell trinket?

[glacial steppe]

cus you get pb kinda late

[river acorn]

is sin loads ahead on st compared to outlaw?

[limber lion]

Always Fire.

[limber lion]

Quite a bit yeah, like 5k or something. Loses on cleave though which is what most of the raid is about tbh.

[rigid tartan]

I would call it a lot ahead. Sin will put you at #1 boss dmg while outlaw will do high overall on cleave bosses. In both of those case we can be looking forward to be among the highest places

[distant birch]

hey do you know whats the best enchantment for a dagger & sword? pls

[limber lion]

Fang for now, but might change later.

[distant birch]

faq got it

[distant birch]

ty too ❤️

[river acorn]

If I'm gonna multispec which stats and embelishment should I put on dagger sin/outlaw

[distant birch]

@limber lion uuu can't find it, do you have the entire name pls?

[storm forum]

The embellishment is called Fang Adornments

[limber lion]

Fang, Crit/Mastery

[stable atlas]

do we craft dagger/neck?

[strange python]

what poisons do u run with Raid: Dragon-Tempered - Sustained DPS build?

[unkempt karma]

If you recraft can u switch missives?

[rigid tartan]

Amplifying and deadly

[past kettle]

Been an assa rogue since getting thr legendary daggers in before we killed deathwing. Returning to the game after 6 years. Do I fight the urge to go outlaw or not?

[storm forum]

Do you wanna press kingsbane?

[dawn merlin]

Not a bad time to be a one trick assassination rogue tbh

You will face some community perception issues in m+ but it's fine

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

Yes

[limber lion]

Not as much as before, you'll be fine.

[hoary isle]

so do the wrappings work or ?

[past kettle]

I've found on boss fights I kill just thr trash numbers struggle with DHs and Warlocks bringing in tons

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

What

[past kettle]

I find I'm lacking on trash. Multi targets

[hoary isle]

im asking if theres any update on the pins since the raid is up on NA

[limber lion]

The pins would be updated if there was.

[loud horizon]

#showtooltip
/cast Kingsbane
/cast Shiv
/cast Thistle Tea

is this a fine macro to use guys xD

[hoary isle]

cool thanks .. although a we dont know yet could have worked too

[limber lion]

Yeah if you play a single target build, of course you would. But you can change your talent setup anywhere so you can spec into IC and other AOE stuff as well if you want.

[limber lion]

No because Shiv and Kingsbane are on GCD while Thistle Tea is not.

[feral mason]

Is it normal to have to wait for casts with the kingsbase ST build

[next edge]

Feels no single boss is played with CT besides council

[loud horizon]

ah okay so Shiv out of it?

[limber lion]

Have to wait for casts? What does that mean?

[feral mason]

no energy

[limber lion]

Sure.

[loud horizon]

Thanks

Do you use a macro for shiv or na?

[limber lion]

You can play CT on a bunch of bosses with the DTB build.

[limber lion]

No.

[limber lion]

Haven't had issues with energy especially with tea.

[loud horizon]

kk ty

[strange python]

Guys, which Neck proc we aiming for ? Crit or Mastery?

[brazen nimbus]

When to play DT and when to go exs?

[limber lion]

Just as a follow up - that macro is not really optimal because you want to use Kingsbane on cooldown regardless of energy levels whereas you want to cast tea only at low energy levels.

[limber lion]

Crit

[feral mason]

I'm trying to learn the rotation but just find myself energy starved a lot, even with tea

[limber lion]

Just go DTB everywhere for now.

[loud horizon]

Ahh got you, thanks. Do you use any macros?

[feral mason]

in between kingsbane phases when I use mutilate as a builder, I never have enough energy to instantly cast it on gcd

[limber lion]

Kingsbane/Exsang for execute.

[cerulean nest]

horn of valor deec?

[limber lion]

Just some QoL ones like all poisons on a single button, but nothing else really.

Assa doesn't really need any macros

Sub is a spec that definitely benefits from macros, but we don't really get much out of them really.

[limber lion]

And what's wrong with that? Between cds it's just downtime, you don't have to spam abilities.

That's very typical Assa rogue gameplay.

[loud horizon]

Assa is more difficult to me than outlaw right now. But i guess cuz i havent practice assa enough

[limber lion]

You go ham during cds and outside of cds it slows down.

[limber lion]

You'll get used to it quick enough, just need some practice.

[storm forum]

I would consider macroing trinkets into death mark or kingsbane, but besides that we dont rly need macros

[next edge]

I feel DTB is really easy to get it

[strange python]

KB build hardest to maintain and manage so far

[loud horizon]

yeah your right

[limber lion]

Even then it doesn't work because there's so many channel trinkets now like the Puzzle box and the Grieftorch

[next edge]

Yeah but meh

I don't like Ct that mutch honestlyt

[loud horizon]

And i should never use Exsang+ Deathmark right?

[limber lion]

Doesn't mean that you can't play it :P

[limber lion]

Huh? You always use them together if you play them and both are ready

Exsang first, then Deathmark

[rigid tartan]

A bit of a shame the built combining dtb with kingsbane isn’t sinming as high

[loud horizon]

DO NOT EXSANGUINATE DURING DEATHMARK. Deathmarks duration is halved by Exsanguinate, leading to less time with duplicated bleeds/poisons. THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE AND CASTING EXSANGUINATE LIKE THIS RESULTS IS A MASSIVE LOSS. maybe i understood it wrong

[limber lion]

Huh? That's literally impossible, you cannot pick DTB and Kingsbane together.

[storm forum]

wait we can do this? I thought we didnt have enough points

[limber lion]

It would be the highest simming thing in the entire game if that was possible, but it's not.

[next edge]

I think I have not seen any sin so far on the race with CT

[limber lion]

Exactly. You press Exsanguinate before Deathmark, not during it.

[rigid tartan]

Sorry guys had to type it 😂

[limber lion]

Sucks to suck.

[drifting cosmos]

I mean aren’t we good with boss dmg?

[limber lion]

Yes

[next edge]

Insanely good in fact

[drifting cosmos]

Like actually top tier

[limber lion]

Yes

[next edge]

Arcane is pumping

in st

[storm forum]

does arcane have execute damage?

[drifting cosmos]

I was in keys and blow out ppl like 20ilvl higher

In boss

[limber lion]

Assa would be #1 in every st fight but I haven't seen an assa rogue actually play the rotation right so far

Everyone's making mistakes left and right with the rotation

[loud horizon]

Ahh okay thanks

[limber lion]

But then again it's just normals so people might be testing stuff or looking at different things and not fully focusing on rotation

[teal bloom]

Sophic devotion weapon enchantment simming higher than frozen devotion for dungeonslice hmm

[next edge]

Any that you could highlight?

[drifting cosmos]

Exactly. Imagine if we play it better

[spice spire]

Major nocco stonks

[limber lion]

Everyone, literally.

Haven't seen a single player play it correctly yet

[next edge]

Which are the most comon mistakes youre seeing?

[drifting cosmos]

hence dtb build, less room for mistakes

[storm forum]

i keep catching myself make mistakes on ST, hard to remember all the new buttons (i didnt play prepatch) and watch the new fights at the same time

[rigid tartan]

It was #1 boss dmg for a lot of the bdgg normal/heroic kills so far

[limber lion]

Using tea incorrectly, doing the opener incorrectly, pressing puzzle box incorrectly, refreshing bleeds during exsang, not pressing Exsang even though it's talented and so on

A lot of newbie mistakes that will get better with more practice or attention

[storm forum]

how do we use puzzle box correctly? is it channeled before vanish? before pull?

[limber lion]

You use Puzzle Box before Exsanguinate

So you set everything up and before you go sicko mode, you press Puzzle Box

[next edge]

Tbh my bigger fear was to deal with adds as Sin, but Adds (at least nm/HC) they seem really weak so I guess you just DoT them and envenom

[limber lion]

Yeah and honestly the current Assa is just super duper forced to stay on the target

[storm forum]

ty

[limber lion]

It's a pretty giga loss to tab out of your main target if you have Kingsbane/DM on it

Just gotta go ham on one target and start cleaving more when you're out of cds

[loud horizon]

can you tell me when to use Shiv? would be nice

[storm forum]

kingsbane back is about to have me digout the mouseover garrote macros

[limber lion]

With Kingsbane you always use 2 Shivs during Kingsbane windows. Without Kingsbane you use Shiv on cooldown and with Deathmark.

[formal badge]

Isnt DTB straight out better atm ?

[loud horizon]

Ahh nice thank you

[limber lion]

They sim very similarly currently, especially without tier set

Kingsbane is simming higher for me currently, but it's pretty close

DTB just performs a lot better in cleave and also gets rid of 2-3 buttons

Much easier to play as well

[formal badge]

i just checked the Liquid rogue hence the question (running DTB)

[next edge]

Tbh, once the opener is finished

its pretty easy tbh.

Maintain dots, use envenom/muti/procs amb, that's it most likely

[drifting cosmos]

I like the get rids of 2-3 buttons part

[formal badge]

also, hows the rule with 4CP do we finish or do we use another muti ?

[limber lion]

It's much much harder to play than DTB and it's not even close

[drifting cosmos]

Finish at 5-6 cp

[limber lion]

You play Exsanguinate with Kingsbane, you change your tea rules with Kingsbane, you change Shiv rules with Kingsbane, you change Pandemic rules/Dot rules with Exsang

and so on

[limber lion]

You always finish at max-1, so 5-6CP with Deeper Stratagem

[formal badge]

ok thanks, i feel really stressed atm. since assa seems so much more reliable then sub for raidcontent atm

[fringe token]

In Fuu's sims. Under carfted gear BiS. What is the Mastery HP?

[drifting cosmos]

Prog spec

[next edge]

KB build?

definetely

[formal badge]

im kinda happy tho playing sub/outlaw for all SL

[next edge]

Tbh DTB feels a really comfort spec to prog on @limber lion , because it also gets some execute and its way way easier to play which helps to focus wya more on mechanics

[drifting cosmos]

Plus the boss dmg instead of padding adds

[limber lion]

No clue what HP means, but Neck/Mastery refers to the Elemental Lariat neck and the Cloak embellishment that gives mastery

[limber lion]

For sure.

[slate forge]

anyone else having issues with poisons falling off?

[next edge]

In fact I might not play sub that mutch this week and focus on sin lol

[storm forum]

only when i swap talents

[slate forge]

i have it falling on and off zoning into jade temple, and into any instance

without swapping

[loud horizon]

Sry for bothering you dude :S but when do i use Serrated bone spike? I guess if i am low on energy and have zero combo points?

[limber lion]

Apparently a bug with DTB whenever you get loading screens.

[swift dagger]

DTB has that bug rn where u drop poisons on zoning

god damn it I want to be helpful too

[limber lion]

Immediately in the opener and then you just use them when low energy and low CP yeah

[loud horizon]

Great thanks. and with Kingsbane active, i can just spam Shiv twice right? since the 8 sec buff from shiv Stacks up to 16 sec?

[limber lion]

It does not stack

You use them b2b

When the first is about to drop, you press the second one

[pulsar abyss]

you guys been preferring KB IC or DTB for your early keys

[spice spire]

KB IC for me

[jolly turtle]

do we know what our secondary embellishment is gonna be tmrw?

[loud horizon]

ohh okay i just checked the time on my Weakaura and it showed me as stacked but thanks good to know

[limber lion]

KB IC all the way

[limber lion]

Neck and Dagger with Fang is a pretty safe bet for now

[jolly turtle]

how much was lariat nerfed? if you know 😄

[limber lion]

It says it in the patch notes

5%

:-)

[jolly turtle]

ty

[loud horizon]

is it bad to use Serrated bone spike twice in a really short time?

like for example Bone+Envenom+ again bone

[balmy condor]

No

It’s just instant damage

[loud horizon]

Ah okay thank you

and for exsanguinate i should only use it when i have my posions up with high duration time

or am i wrong?

[balmy condor]

[loud horizon]

hahahaha

[balmy condor]

Just out of curiosity, are you just spam firing questions, or are you reading the abilities and then getting confused and asking

Cause it feels like you’re not reading abilities

And if I have to explain to you how each ability works

This is going to take a long long time

[loud horizon]

no i just thought it cuz

for the opener i spam Garrote twice and Rupture twice. After that i almost use Exsanguin

[limber lion]

The guides cover most of the basic stuff like that.

Might wanna give the Wowhead guide a read

[slow needle]

Since you're explaining how each ability works. Can I ask about the Exsang/Deathmark stuff. It says that you Exsang before Deathmark to not shorten it. Is that referring to the Deathmark buff itself? Since the bleeds on the targets get duplicated at their Exsang duration for me (do they also have exsang tick rate?)

It being the guide in this case.

[balmy condor]

You want to max pandemic your bleeds before exsang

[balmy condor]

Yes

[slow needle]

I thought that was the case, cheers!

[storm forum]

deathmark is a bleed and will be shortened by exang i believe

and thats bad

[loud horizon]

so it makes a different if for example rupture "would" last 30-40 second compared to 5 secs right?

[balmy condor]

15-20 seconds of doubled ticks is better than 2.5 seconds of doubled ticks generally yes

[slow needle]

Basically Exsang takes a bleed that will tick 10 times in 10s and makes it tick 10 times in 5 seconds. Halving the duration that the damage is done over. So you want to compress as long a bleed as possible.

[loud horizon]

Okay thank you. i will stop with the stupid questions for now 😄

[lofty bluff]

someone redpill me on new 2nd craft with lariat nerf

pls im having a panic attack

or a bananic attack

[sour hinge]

Should we be using m+ aoe build for add heavy bosses? IC and such?

[balmy condor]

fang weapon is safe

[small meteor]

Just let everyone else handle the adds 😎

[lofty bluff]

what if I made fang weapon first

[storm forum]

craft the helm cause you're definitely going to get the ring that combos with it to drop

[swift dagger]

then Elemental Lariat neck

[lofty bluff]

even after the nerf?

[swift dagger]

the nerf wasnt substantial afaik

[storm forum]

and you definitely will never see the helm tier piece drop

[runic basin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sour hinge]

But I wanna top charts

[next edge]

That's why you let others handle adds

[dense herald]

Whisp what would you drop from the DTB or KB ST builds for CT if you needed it for some intermittent add damage in raid

[balmy condor]

5% nerf oh noooooooo

[balmy condor]

venom rush/double shiv

[dense herald]

Aight sweet

[storm forum]

i just got flashbacks to legion with single shiv and a WA that would yell at me when KB had ~half duration left

[fair stag]

guys is neck still the best crafted item

[balmy condor]

yes

5% of 1.1% is 1.045%

it's legit nothing

[jade wadi]

for the lariat neck, do i want to order it with crit/mast, or crit/haste?

[loud horizon]

Shitt i got one more question i hope its not a stupid one... so when i use Exsanguin and my bleeds are about to pass. should i wait until my bleeds are gone or can i recast them asap after Exsang?

[balmy condor]

crit mast

[balmy condor]

gone

[jade wadi]

thank you!

[loud horizon]

Damn thanks

[deft vault]

is there a spreadsheet sopmewhere that show tier % of each class?

[limpid drum]

What does this mean

Certainly didn't fix the DTB poison bug 😢

[teal bloom]

My class fantasy is applying 4 poisons every 15 mins

[silent breach]

anyone got a macro for ambush>mutilate

to use ambush when it procs over mutilate, i had it before but i cant seem to get it to work again :/

[limpid drum]

Best time to mutilate?

[next edge]

Is there any reason to re-apply rupture outside pandemic before DM?

i don't think so right?

[limpid drum]

Sorry.. 🫣

[next edge]

at least I can't see any

[storm forum]

to use exang before DM

[next edge]

I dont use that cursed spell

[limpid drum]

If rupture would expire before dm expires? 🤷‍♂️

[next edge]

Don't think its a DPS loss if you can mantain envenom buff tbh

[rugged warren]

im feeling super energy starved with kingsbane on ST, is it normla, havent played assas ever

[spice spire]

That’s what tea is for

[next edge]

There arent that many teas!

[rugged warren]

well yeah 3 teas and then im out forever

[lone junco]

I probably missed a few of my ambush procs, and let my bonespike cap a bit

[pure spoke]

What does vanish with deathmark mean? Do you vanish > deathmark or does this mean just synch it with deathmark and go vanish > garrote > deathmark?

[balmy condor]

you could just sim yourself with a target dummy fight type and compare ya know

[balmy condor]

you'll want to vanish->garrote but the order doesn't really matter

[lone junco]

details doesnt like the vanish. but yeah. My sim came in quite a bit higher than im doing, but Ill run again without raid buffs. etc.

[balmy condor]

there's a target dummy fight type

log yourself

sim a target dummy

compare

[lone junco]

I was expecting deathmark to be higher on the pole, etc. but i guess it is a tiny relative bleed. stuff like that.

[charred wraith]

Do we want to spend all 3 charges of tea in the opener (which is i think impossible if one follows not overcapping condition) and with each deathmark + kingsbane all accumulated if condition for using it are met, or kinda just not overcap?

[prisma cypress]

from what i understand, you can use it to push more mutilates during shiv, but mainly just to not overcap

[loud horizon]

With vanish do i always try to use Garrote?

[prisma cypress]

yeah thats why you are vanishing

[loud horizon]

ah okay ty

[charred wraith]

cool, ty

[pure spoke]

Did I do this right? A +14 puzzlebox is about the same dps as the raid trinkets? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ezeSU2oCzHfjt9C45GQF6X

[limpid drum]

Puzzle box makes me so sad

The first half dozen times I thought it was server lag

[prisma cypress]

i dont even know when to use the stupid thing

[limpid drum]

My brain always wants to use it before DM for some reason

Makes it feel so bad.

Like during lust..

I don't even know if we snapshot with it 🤷‍♂️

[oak sky]

is it a bug that blindside procs arent showing up visually or is it an addon thing

[prisma cypress]

i havent encountered that

[limpid drum]

I see them with assassin, but not with outlaw

[pure spoke]

just before exsanguinate

[oak sky]

yeah its not giving me the big indicator

my ambush lights up

[limpid drum]

Have you considered punching your monitor?

You're assassin right?

[oak sky]

no I'm actually asking outlaw questions in sin chat

thats what I tend to do

[limpid drum]

My blindside doesn't show visually as Outlaw

I just weak aura it

[drifting cloud]

its a setting I just forgot the name

can check in a few not online atm

[visual slate]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[oak sky]

@drifting cloud found it spell alert opacity

[drifting cloud]

I was on loading screen!

[oak sky]

idk how that got changed

[limpid drum]

Is this a default wow setting?

[outer cairn]

For DtB, after the open, are we Shiv on CD or just not overcapping on two charges? If shiv on CD, do we want to hold both when DM is coming back up?

[oak sky]

yes

[twin girder]

should i play dtb if it's the first time i'm playing assa?

[next edge]

DTB is way easier

than the other options

[outer cairn]

anyone get their lariat made yet?

[lone junco]

false alarm. It helps to use your trinkets. hit the non buffed ST target pretty closely.

https://tenor.com/view/dance-party-partying-ghosted-gif-12137908

[slim hamlet]

I refuse to believe anyone has done 10+ 16+ already

[outer cairn]

ppl on ZJ selling it

[slim hamlet]

selling what?

[outer cairn]

Elemental Lariat

[slim hamlet]

16+?

What do you mean selling it then

it's bop

[outer cairn]

as a work order

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

is that 418 or just 392 stuff?

If it's 418 then damn

[outer cairn]

392

[tough gorge]

Anyone else always top of dps on mythic+? Cant rlly ask for much more on ass

[urban minnow]

anyone have any details screenshots of doing +10 or higher as sin?

curious how its doing

[trim dirge]

it’s fine

[urban minnow]

@tough gorge using the IC+KB build?

[slim hamlet]

If we're on top of dps in m+ either the others suck or play awful classes

[outer cairn]

For DtB, I assume during rotation, when DM comes back up we slam it and then when vanish comes off CD we pop it and overwrite whatever we have with an improved yes

[tough gorge]

I havent had WW, demo lock or havoc DH lol

I use dtb over ic + kb

Just smoother not waiting for kb between packs

Ic**

[hazy oriole]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[outer cairn]

what I'm curious about. If during DM, and then vanish comes off CD, not sure if we should overwrite for the copied improved garrote or not

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

DM doesnt matter

It's in exsang its illegal

[outer cairn]

well for dtb that's what i'm trying to figure out. since vanish is going to come off cd after DM, do I use DM on CD and then when Vanish comes off CD, vanish and garrote or only vanish and garrote in pandemic

[slim hamlet]

I mean

That will never be a situation if you just sync them

But I would 100% get my imp garrotes up if im in dm

[scenic marlin]

idk if im just being dumb but when i look at the Dragon tempered blades opener, when do you use exsang?

[outer cairn]

well based on the open, we aren't waiitng long before we vanish and refresh garrote so they aren't that far apart

[balmy condor]

you don't

[slim hamlet]

You dont

[scenic marlin]

you use it after then? or just dont take talent?

[balmy condor]

you don't take the talent

you can see the talents in the FaQ

[slim hamlet]

In opener we vanish before DM

[hazy iron]

Is the Puzzle Box better than Irideus Fragment?

[scenic marlin]

in faq it has the talent?

for DTB build

[balmy condor]

yes

all the builds are in the faq

[outer cairn]

huh?

[balmy condor]

and all the openers for them

[scenic marlin]

not the opener but the build itself

[balmy condor]

?

[slim hamlet]

oh it has changed

[balmy condor]

Idk how else to say this

[slim hamlet]

Well then there is a note about your question

[scenic marlin]

its got exsang on it

[balmy condor]

that's doomblade

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

active abilities have a square border

[scenic marlin]

oh ye you right im just an idiopt

[charred wraith]

we live in a society

[scenic marlin]

my bad >.<

sorry

[slim hamlet]

Same icon on same tree is kinda troll tbh

[scenic marlin]

same icon very nice

[trim dirge]

lol monk has like 4 spinning crane kick icons

[slim hamlet]

Their issue

[outer cairn]

yeah for the open, we keeping improved garrote running. outside of the open, its just a normal garrote, so my assumption is, next time DM comes up, we slam it, then as soon as vanish comes off cd, we vanish and improved garrote even if the original isn't in pandemic range

[slim hamlet]

I dont see why it would be different 2nd time around

@balmy condor help

Im going to bedge

[outer cairn]

fight timings, not letting garrote fall of, recently refreshed idk

[chilly marsh]

anyone know what is the spell if from shiv and KB ? im trying to make a wa to track its duration but not id is owrking

[mild canyon]

Dummy

👀

[scenic marlin]

stibby get in the bin

love you tho

[frigid aurora]

!fuu

[mild canyon]

❤️

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[royal lantern]

i legit didnt notice that until now

wtf

[scenic marlin]

ry was dissing your hair the other day

[mild canyon]

Guild wants me to switch to assa last minute 😦

[mild canyon]

Ry does dishes with night vision goggles on

[scenic marlin]

im just gonna play ol/assa depending

[mild canyon]

I was gonna go outlaw but assa slapping so hard rn

[scenic marlin]

yeah both specs good :>

[mild canyon]

Still gonna go ol on heavy cleave

[loud horizon]

Do i want to avoid having to reapply bleeds while Kingsbane is active or does it not matter?

[toxic burrow]

They were nice and great players, but I don't feel good trying to compete with two WW monks in a dungeon. I just can't match that damage, man.

[royal lantern]

welcome to FotM classes

[mild canyon]

Anyways off to bed mate M+ spam at 9 servertime so gotta be fresh good to see you around here duderino

[rain oyster]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[royal lantern]

they are op, you look bad against them, go next

[grave sail]

absolute no point to switch last second to assa

[oak pulsar]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[scenic marlin]

same as, gl with loot mate ❤️

[mild canyon]

It's no effort and they perform better so why not?

[small meteor]

Because you're sad about it

[grave sail]

why you cry then?

[toxic burrow]

Suddenly I don't feel too bad. I heard they were strong, but I never knew they were this strong. Haha. :X

[grave sail]

play what you have fun with - all said!

[craggy nimbus]

Here I thought I was doing decent on dummies but I did a quick sim and boy was I wrong xD

[balmy condor]

did you quick sim a target dummy or patchwerk

[craggy nimbus]

Patchwerk, simming again with target dummy

[ancient peak]

can any of you guys craft highest highest grade dagger?

[craggy nimbus]

Hrm, alright, now I was only off by 4k. Way better than the patchwerk.

[honest iris]

Which opener is right for dragon tempered? wowhead or sin faq

[balmy condor]

sin faq

wowhead will update openers soon

[honest iris]

ok thanks!

[balmy condor]

but getting those fucking togglers working

is such a gigantic pain in the ass

you have no idea

[honest iris]

lol sorry sounds awful 😢

[balmy condor]

I have to make one huge list

and the only control I have over the list is "show/hide list entry #x"

[late aspen]

do we still finish at 5cp with deeper strat?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tough gorge]

Fml too much haste gear from these dungeons

[honest iris]

do i let the rupture fall off completely during deathmark wear off or refresh (for the opener)

[balmy condor]

you can refresh

[agile geode]

During opener when do i pop the box mastery trinket? After rupture before marked?

[ancient peak]

literally nobody on illidan to craft daggers bro lmao

[sand elm]

its nice seeing outlaw be represented as much as assassination on the logs that have gone up so far

other rogue in my guild wants to play outlaw but would swap if it wasnt doing well

[swift lodge]

Where would be the best place for me to see openers for the DTB build in the spreadsheet?

[sand elm]

#assassination-faq has all the openers

[dim zinc]

amplifying poison > instant right lmao

my wa doesnt count amp poison as a poison

zzz

[balmy condor]

that's okay

just delete the wa

you should never take instant on sin

[dim zinc]

okie

[pure skiff]

What is our best embellishment

[fading adder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[honest iris]

do you use echoing reprimand on cd or time it with deathmark

[main solar]

cd im pretty sure

[last tapir]

is the darkmoon trinket any good?

[balmy condor]

lariat then fang

[balmy condor]

meh

[glacial steppe]

dont tell em, i need to sell mine

[lofty bluff]

still no lariat on ourserver

[jade wadi]

what gem are we socketing in the lariat neck?

[lofty bluff]

anyone got one on their server yet?

[smoky phoenix]

glacial flask = bis?

[balmy condor]

vers or elemental for non-janky ones

[abstract junco]

TIL Corrupting Rage toxic effect destealths

Also, is anyone else feeling stretched thin on energy on longer packs? I think I noticed it less when PB uptime was better, but I get to the end of that last TT and I'm like, Okay I Will Wait Now

Granted, I am running IC and PB, so that might be an issue folks that are splitting IC/KB aren't running into as much.

[south pollen]

had a question should i wait for exsanguinate to come off cd to use deathmark? or use on cd and have exsanguinate wait for deathmark?

[cursive frost]

Depends on fight length

[keen slate]

Hello! I am trying to choose between the IC+KB and the DTB build. Ill be playing with an already focused in AOE group so I was thinking that the DTB build could be more beneficial but in FAQ I see that the KB can do very good single target damage as well. Also about the rotation, in the single target parts where SBS is used, does this apply only in the Raid Talent build or we just do the same rotation in the M+ Build just without SBS? Thanks in advance

[cursive frost]

Fight less than 6:15 line it up with DM at 4:00

[rancid junco]

what is better to run in m+ dtb or ic ?

[south pollen]

ok so use dm on cd and exs wait for it ?

[small meteor]

IC is just so damn satisfying

Big number pump packs

[river acorn]

IC is a godsend

[rain oyster]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[hexed root]

anyone know what jpc is running?

[lavish linden]

why don't we take shrouded suffocation but take bone spike?

for DTB

[balmy condor]

because shrouded isn't worth the point

it's more damage to take the point in zold

[lavish linden]

ok thanks

[teal bloom]

Tiny toxic blade simming 0,2% higher than second point in zoldyck for me, more like big toxic blade

[bold lynx]

boys, do we really skip the weapon with the first 2 crafts? According to the newst sims from fuu

[light goblet]

!whysper

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

no

head is only good with the ring

just craft a waeapon

[bold lynx]

final question, fangs or bronz as embellishment?

[balmy condor]

fang is safe

we aren't sure how bronze procs

[sand elm]

Try them both and see how u like them. Dtb has better st than kb ic does but ofc ic gives u some more aoe

[bold lynx]

thanks a lot man! I will do that

[chrome mirage]

Do I need to reapply a full rup/garrote before using deathmark?

[teal bloom]

No

[chrome mirage]

Does deathmark just apply a full duration or copy the current duration

[balmy condor]

copy

[teal bloom]

It copies garrote and rupture while it is active, doesn't matter if they were applied before or after pressing deathmark. After deathmark drops, so do the copies of bleeds

[past belfry]

can anyone else not select the talent export strings from the faq channel?

discord like.. won't let me select them

[candid slate]

try going into any other channel and try to select any different text
then back to original one and select what u want

[granite widget]

do you guys think sin rogue should get pi'd

on pure st

[hot chasm]

what double poisons you guys using? Apm+Deadly or Amp+Instant?

[outer cairn]

that council fight

[misty holly]

Those 3 poisons all do the same instant damage now. Deadly has an added dot so it's strictly superior to instant. Unless you don't want to dot the target up for CC reasons or something.

[hot chasm]

tyty

[balmy condor]

definitely not

your raid should have like 10 other people that are better

[misty holly]

But PI during kingsbane... imagine how many more procs you get

[languid totem]

Are enchants capped at tier 3?

[teal bloom]

Yes

[idle sinew]

@shy dust worst rogue na

[alpine latch]

Was it decided for Razs? Do we go m+ spec for that?

[hexed root]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[lone junco]

Does cold blood increase crit results for the entire stealth Garrote?

[balmy condor]

cold blood does nothing for any bleed

[slim hamlet]

best change

[dark token]

Already had all but 1 pot and phial recipe meh

It felt bad yes but it was effective at learning recipes

[steel wind]

I didnt do anything, just logged in XD

[honest iris]

what gems and secondary for elemental lariat?

[steel wind]

0 rating

[balmy condor]

crit/mast

[astral flax]

I'm looking to get better at dps with assass rogue, what do you guys prefer. KB or DTB build?

[honest iris]

DTB is easier to play and sims higher by like 1%

[queen crest]

Super minor annoyance I realized tonight, Thistle Tea doesn't reset when you reset bosses lol

[median beacon]

WHATS the crit master gem

called

[pulsar fog]

Sensei's [something]

[median beacon]

ty

[balmy condor]

[median beacon]

whats ur neck looking like whispyr

[balmy condor]

you think I have gear?

[drifting cloud]

fucking casual

[balmy condor]

I'm about to get obliterated by a random who no life'd into 385 gear

[median beacon]

[balmy condor]

only 1 gem

[median beacon]

i got summoned

back to raid..

forgot to add 2 more

[dense herald]

Wait how do you add gems to it

sockets*

[balmy condor]

tiered thingy

[dense herald]

Does it not come with them

[balmy condor]

no

[honest iris]

ez

[craggy sierra]

What exactly is the interaction between running double sophetic

does it proc more often?

[balmy condor]

it stacks

[mystic fractal]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[smoky phoenix]

thought it was crit primaryt mastery secondary?

[balmy condor]

it is

[fair marsh]

my faith waivers boyos. so many adds in raid

my little bleeds cant keep up

outlaw it calleth

[drifting cloud]

xd

[balmy condor]

xd

🌿

[outer cairn]

anyone get an elemental lariat?

[balmy condor]

bout to

[outer cairn]

sensei gems right?

[balmy condor]

whatever the crit/mast ones are

[urban minnow]

which sin buidl you guys enjoying in m+ tonight? dtb or kb+IC?

[hexed root]

it's only normal so far, but got 3 top 10s out of the first 5 bosses

🙂

[urban minnow]

for m+ are we doing shrouded over the last point in zoldy?

[balmy condor]

did you look at the faq or wowhead builds

[outer cairn]

what the hell is that thing to add sockets to the necklace

[hexed root]

tiered

search that on AH

should come up

you need rank 1-3

[outer cairn]

Got it. Rocking that necklace now.

definitely need to see some of those fights some more and practice

got to ascended before we ran out of time

[smoky phoenix]

idk how to do ascended on normal, there's no adds to jump to

and people kept getting swooped off the edge

[outer cairn]

we weren't having that problem. the damn aoe thing was making things a mess though

[rain oyster]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[rain oyster]

Why does Decoration of flame sim so high?

that trink is garbage

[outer cairn]

dropped for us. went to tank

i think

[rain oyster]

i have a 402

so bad

[peak bobcat]

Bro rogue fucks so hard

This is gonna be a good tier

[outer cairn]

i blasted on first two bosses. spider boss felt weird. definitely a lot more ice on the floor than i remember seeing in a video

[peak bobcat]

This tier owns besides council

Shit boss

[outer cairn]

that was a cluster fuck

we basically brute forced it

but damn

[peak bobcat]

Probably better without 30 people

[outer cairn]

grimtotem's adds truck

that earth one

[peak bobcat]

The boss rooms just feel really small with 30 people

Hopefully it feels better on mythic

[small meteor]

Isn't the entire floor ice for that boss

Or just final phase?

[outer cairn]

first night. all bosses but last 3 pretty godo first night for only 3 hours

final phase is all ice

but that shit was spreading all over during the stair phase

[smoky phoenix]

I cant copy the text to the dragontempered single target build