assassination

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

sorry but outlaw has been meta for so long and it has no real burst either. thats a made up issue

[gusty mirage]

it feels fucking amazing

[odd dew]

Is that because you think the difference at 15 is not much between the specs? What Key level do you think the need to swap to Sub/Outlaw is a must?

[prisma cypress]

when you ask if something is viable, people here take that to mean "is it possible," not "is it competitive with other options" and they will give you an answer like of course everything is viable unless you're doing +30s

[gusty mirage]

outlaw still has better on demand damage than assassination

what's your point

[subtle tundra]

what does that have to do with burst

its not like it goes through the roof

[gusty mirage]

you brought up outlaw's lack of burst

and I countered it

[spice spire]

Top 2%. So in the past like 26+.

[gusty mirage]

why are you convoluting points

[topaz bluff]

Mid/high 20s going up to the 30s etc imo. You'll want more min max around then. Until that level it doesn't matter

[gleaming geyser]

And even then, I could see 8 second 15% DR + IW having some impact on pulls

[odd dew]

Yeah sorry you're right, I guess a better way to phrase my question would be what Key level do you think Assassination starts to fall behind and switching spec is a requirement

[smoky quail]

Mmmmm maybe 40s

[gleaming geyser]

sky is the limit

[spice spire]

[smoky quail]

Infinity and beyond, let your big fat carnage out everywhere

[odd dew]

But thanks guys appreciate the responses

[gleaming geyser]

vanish IC garrote rupture cloak evasion hearthstone

[sand elm]

ive been running the KB/IC build for dungeons but im considering trying the DTB dungeon build to see how it is

[smoky quail]

Amen

[topaz bluff]

It depends a lot on group comps and the buffs your group is using etc.

[odd dew]

I'm a bit sad we can't get another capstone with DTB

[weak horizon]

Dtb feels weird because you don't have the sick energy Regen from IC

[gleaming geyser]

the biggest issue for me is how it is without kingsbane and/or exsang

[sand elm]

id love to have the builds be either dtb/kb or dtb/ic but i understand for balance reasons why theyll never do it

[topaz bluff]

When you talk about legit high pushes. Rogues don't bring a whole lot of push related utility compared to DH magic damage, monk physical damage buffs, no lust, no aoe stun etc.

IC has the best to offer with aoe silence+iron bark for the tank more or less. Depends if you got a group that can cover the burst/aoe cc windows with it and if you're running with all NE that can meld skip etc.

[sand elm]

least we have kb now with ic. the prepatch build with only ic was awful lol

[gleaming geyser]

DTB/KB would be busted

[sand elm]

honestly id sort of like it if they swapped IC and exsang in the tree

if they insist on making exsang a big cd, it doesnt make sense having a 3min cd so far up and a 45s on the capstone

[smoky quail]

Real Chad's don't take iron wire.

[topaz bluff]

Yeah hopefully after the rework and keep Ex at capstone quality

[gleaming geyser]

They just shout real hard to silence their enemies?

[sand elm]

it absolutely would but itd be so much fun

[topaz bluff]

Ex leading into IW doesn't feel as normal as if IC lead to IW either

[sand elm]

i think itd be fine if assassination had IC on equivalence to outlaws blade flurry. just make it a choice earlier on in the tree and make exsang a competition talent with kingsbane

[smoky quail]

They probably are gonna swap sanguiney with dashing scoundrel, quote it right here

[clever vigil]

Put exchange dfb and exsang and make dfb enable to put on 2 leathal piosons

Fair trade and people who like the pre mist rogues can finaly play them again

[sand elm]

i doubt theyd move dtb off a capstone

its supposed to be the "passive" competition to kingsbane

[topaz bluff]

dtb will likely stay a capstone I agree

[oblique tangle]

My group sucks at single target damage so I've been running dtb to make up fie their shortcomings

[shy radish]

Hello guys, advise pls good Plater profile

[oblique tangle]

I'm doing about 43-52% of total damage in our dungeons

But take that with a grain of salt

They suck

[sand elm]

haha

i do like the massive burst every 2nd pack with IC, but the st is lacking with that build

[oblique tangle]

Our dracthyr player with more I'll tyab our paladin is doing half of his dps

Big rip

[smoky quail]

The envenom duration talent Is actually warm pillow status

[violet jackal]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[sand elm]

twist the knife makes envenom uptime so

its a little weird how its competition with amp poison tho

[gleaming geyser]

i havnt really had issues with envenom uptime with ER 7cp

[pale island]

Hi guys, noob question. In multitarget rotation, do i only use CT once? Becouse many guides say that i should envenom many times on Priority target after the first CT.

[sand elm]

3+ targets use it as ur cp spender

[topaz bluff]

did whispyr have his sims updated with the wraps changes/fangs not being able to crit etc? I don't want to bug the poor dude just curious

[spice spire]

No he hasn’t afaik

He’s finishing the guides rn

No ping pls

[odd dew]

What is everyones opinions on Ex? I have read alot of mixed feelings about it but I absolutley love the ability, find it fun to play

[topaz bluff]

yeah, good call. I wasn't wanting to bother him...assumed he might just lump it in after they mythic tunings later this week

[spice spire]

Exsang? It’s fine

[smoky quail]

Sanguiney, yes

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s probably what he’ll do

[pale island]

Thank you!

[spice spire]

But he’s a player too so it may be a little slower than normal since it’s opening week for gearing content

[sand elm]

[topaz bluff]

yep, I'm prolly just going with boots+toxic patch if I even bust anything out this coming week. Just because I can keep those up to date fine until unlimited crafting unlocks on week 5

[odd dew]

I've just read alot of people don't like it, I find it weird they nerfed the CD to 3 minutes. Was the ability really over performing that much?

[topaz bluff]

it was better than any of the capstones

It's still ok, its just more on par with its talent row now and isn't better than the capstones themselves lol

[sand elm]

im trying out DTB so i dont have to use it

[clever vigil]

i also prefer the poison stuff above the blood thingies

[normal mist]

how the hell did it went up to 402?

[gusty mirage]

primal infusion gamer

[odd dew]

Yeah but 3m CD seems a bit crazy, I feel it took a bit of skill when it was at 45cd to time your bleeds properly so you didnt have much wasted damage but now it doesn't have the same feel to it

[sand elm]

grats

[normal mist]

and how do we get that? legit confused xD

[gusty mirage]

it only cost me ~430k gold

[normal mist]

oh

[sand elm]

the 3m cd is placeholder till they either remove or replace it

[sand sundial]

430k?

[sand elm]

jesus christ

[sand sundial]

wtf why

[gusty mirage]

if you get a renown to 25 you get a primal infusion

[normal mist]

oh...........

[gusty mirage]

you use that for the next tier of crafting

[odd dew]

Damn why so much? Mine cost about 150k

[gusty mirage]

power leveling blacksmithing on an alt

to guarantee 5 qual 405s

[sand sundial]

oh lol

[odd dew]

I really hope they don't remove it, really fun ability

[gleaming geyser]

not having a guildie specced into BS

[normal mist]

My guildies are ALL slacking balls

[gusty mirage]

bro we shit the bed with professions

we have 3 LWers

[gleaming geyser]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

all of them specced into the same shit

[sand elm]

i hate how it makes the opener and rotation clunky. so im fine with a removal or rework

[sand sundial]

imagine guildie specced in DAGGERS

[gleaming geyser]

all lures????

@gusty mirage

[sand sundial]

when they play warrior

[gusty mirage]

chest pieces

[spice spire]

I got the plug on mal’ganis

[gusty mirage]

cool thing about daggers

is you can make fist weapons for the enhance shamoons/monks/dhs in your guild too

[royal lantern]

i dont even have that much gold

and i COULD CRAFT THAT SHIT

[gleaming geyser]

get them windfury favors

[gusty mirage]

if I would have started week 1 I could've saved a shit ton of gold

but I legit started friday night

24 hours got bsmithing to 100/100 with 3 qual prof equipment

and 371 skill w/ insight

[royal lantern]

i have to explain litearlly every single DH in my guild "no, i cant make glaives, i can make fist weapons, yes you CAN USE FIST WEAPONS AS A DH, NO A GLAIVE IS NOT BETTER IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE"

[gusty mirage]

it was awful

[thorn crater]

46 hunts left

someone save me

[royal lantern]

dh players are a special breed

[clever vigil]

why does the poison dtb build still use bonespike instead of sepsis ?

[gusty mirage]

BUT THE TMOG TRYAN

[spice spire]

65-75 inscription is shiy

[gusty mirage]

THINK OF THE TMOG

[spice spire]

Sepsis sucks

[balmy condor]

Damage higher more good

[sand elm]

im stuck at 67 till i get more rep

[violet jackal]

because Bone Gang lives on

[royal lantern]

THEN TMOG IT INTO THE UGLY ILLIDAN GLAIVES FROM 300 YEARS AGO THAT HAVE LESS POLYGONS THEN YOU LEFT BALLSACK

jesus christ

dh players

[thorn crater]

whats ur server tryan

[gusty mirage]

jokes on them

those are swords

[odd dew]

I don't find it clunky at all personally

[royal lantern]

kazzak eu

[clever vigil]

ok great but can I get a more detailed reasoning too ?

[hollow dirge]

10030 years*

[gusty mirage]

also I think they can mog any weapon to those stinky mogs

[balmy condor]

The reasoning is sepsis does shit damage

Idk

It’s undertuned

[royal lantern]

sepsis does 0 dmg

[gleaming geyser]

1 > 0

[royal lantern]

beeing able to do 1x ambush is not good

thats it, thats why sepsis sucks

[gusty mirage]

cmon it does like at least 3 damage

[sand elm]

i find it clunky just cos it reduces the duration of bleeds, which im not a fan of especially in the opener

[balmy condor]

Improved garrote excuse you

[clever vigil]

and why

[violet jackal]

more likely garroeting

[gleaming geyser]

[royal lantern]

because its dmg is low?

[balmy condor]

BECAUSE ITS UNDERTUNED

[royal lantern]

thats why

it just deals very low dmg

[gusty mirage]

sepsis always did bad damage, the reason it did any damage in SL was because it had a conduit that cranked its damage by a shit ton & it had the unity legendary which gave us shadow blades & adrenaline rush when we used it

now we get sepsis without either of those bonuses

[royal lantern]

and even then didnt saw play

except for minigame mode

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I mean they tuned abilities

After shadowlands

To fit

[spice spire]

Work order me your checks notes dragon armor

[topaz bluff]

sepsis can still be "ok" in pvp afaik

[hollow dirge]

Tbh I’m happy it’s undertuned, sbs is a cooler ability, gives you something to press on melee downtime, and it can do something on multitarget atleast

[gusty mirage]

the unity carried sepsis hard in s3 and s4

[balmy condor]

We can’t really hold shadowlands sepsis as an excuse for dragonflight sepsis

They had all beta to tune it

[royal lantern]

we can blame them for thinking that sepsis is a ability that should be in all spec trees

when its just bad

[clever vigil]

but doesnt sepsis profit from lethal dose and improved shiv ?

[oblique tangle]

Sepsis is doodoo poopybutt

Don't make excuses for it

[hollow dirge]

Imagine how undertuned it is when you take that into consideration😂

[spice spire]

Sepsis has less bitches than @gusty mirage

[balmy condor]

Yes but sbs is also profits from lethal dose, permanently

And does more damage

[gusty mirage]

impossible

[balmy condor]

And generates more combo points

And cleaves

[thin gate]

guys, whats best to skill as blacksmith? i tryna craft daggers/swords pushed knowledge into Weaponsmithing -> Blades -> Short Blades now for dagger

[spice spire]

Literally negative bitches man

[balmy condor]

And it’s a lower cooldown

[clever vigil]

So a talent is undertuned if you concider your entire tree instead of just it in a vacuum ? hmm looks like a lot of things will be undertuned that way

[spice spire]

It’s unreal

[thin gate]

whats the best 2nd tree to skill now?

[balmy condor]

No one compares talents like that

[hollow dirge]

And it doesen’t look like it actually heals, even though it hits like it does

[clever vigil]

why would you not compare talents with synergy effects in mind ß

??

[balmy condor]

We do

That’s the whole point

I feel like I’ve said the same thing like 5 times

[clever vigil]

wow that was fast

[balmy condor]

Sepsis:
Shit damage
No cp
Lethal dose for like 10 seconds every 90

Sbs:
Good damage
Good cp
Lethal dose always forever

It’s not difficult to see

[thin gate]

• sbs is range

dont forget that

[clever vigil]

it is difficult to see if you have the talents in your tree as only reference point

[final briar]

any blacksmith here who can recraft my dagger to 392?

[clever vigil]

and thats why i asked

[balmy condor]

[thin gate]

what realm?

[whole mason]

is the signet still bugged? or only AA damage in S1?

[clever vigil]

sadly the first view responses were just "bc its shit trololol" instead of getting a concise response

[balmy condor]

But

Bc it’s shit

Is a concise response

[clever vigil]

no

[balmy condor]

That’s the definition of a concise response

[clever vigil]

its not even an argument

[thin gate]

tbh they should line sepsis with exsang :/

swap exsang with sepsis plxxxx

[balmy condor]

I’m not arguing for anything

I’m informing you it does dogshit damage

[clever vigil]

yeah its ok go away pls

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[clever vigil]

i wanted help not trolling

[tame slate]

[balmy condor]

Did you get help?

[spice spire]

[clever vigil]

no not really

[balmy condor]

What’s wrong with this

Please

Let me explain it to you for a 7th time

In a way you understand

[subtle tundra]

sepsis bad

[balmy condor]

Clearly I don’t get it

[subtle tundra]

sbs better

[balmy condor]

What’s the lack of clarity

[subtle tundra]

your welcome

[balmy condor]

Where am I losing you

[clever vigil]

no thats ok

[thorny pond]

if you want validation for your ideas, then sim it man. Sitting here arguing with the person who literally has spent more time simming sin than sleeping is poor takes

[balmy condor]

Bro lmao

[subtle tundra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

Asks question
Gets answered
Doesn’t like answer
Wont elaborate

Great

[clever vigil]

ah no

[thorn crater]

45 hunts for 25

[grim tangle]

personally I think sepsis is better.

[thorn crater]

i need a break

my head hurts

[clever vigil]

i got 6 no answers and a 7th that was one

[balmy condor]

So then you got helped?

We’re clear?

[gusty mirage]

sounds like you need a farm buddy who can carry you around while you go make a cup of coffee

[spice spire]

Only one is trolling by “not getting an answer”

[clever vigil]

Dmg is higher more good is not even a sentance

[violet jackal]

actually it is

[shy dust]

@clever vigil if you read the messages from whispyr here

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-brian-baumgartner-kevin-malone-few-words-waste-time-gif-4759685

[shy dust]

You can be enlightened to why it’s better

[spice spire]

Like it’s in a “funny” scheme but the consensus is “it’s under-tuned”

[clever vigil]

yes and that was after all the its bad trololol

[thin gate]

🍿

[weak horizon]

Is this a troll? What kind of reasoning are you looking for?

[shy dust]

I mean that is a fair point

It’s just undertuned damage wise

[balmy condor]

My apologies for I didn’t speak in your finest Latin-rooted grammatical coherencies m’lord

[weak horizon]

Like are you looking for the numbers and calculations?

[shy dust]

Saying it’s shit is just another way to say the talent is currently dead

[thin gate]

i mean 2% lethal dose damage with 99,9% uptime due to sbs is already outperforming the sepsis ability.

[topaz bluff]

I'm going to go against the grain here. Just take sepsis and use it buddy! I really doubt you'll see a difference in your overall numbers if you play it, or not given your responses here. 🙂

[oblique tangle]

How do we feel about engineering toys for rogue this expac so far

[thin gate]

if u wanna play sepsis, then maybe in pvp ow no point currently ig

[oblique tangle]

I'm trying to decide between alchemy engineering or jewelcrafting and I know engineer stuff can't be used by non-gineers

[shy dust]

They’re engineering toys

I’m not sure how they particularly matter to rogue

[thin gate]

go jc

[clever vigil]

What i expected to the question was . it is bad because. and then an elaborate detailed repsonse. like it is undertunded has a longer cd does not provide combo points etc

What i got was bc is bad

[oblique tangle]

Oh?

[fleet imp]

Whats the jc bonus?

[topaz bluff]

LMAO

[oblique tangle]

Specialize in gems and just sell them I assume or what

[thin gate]

jewelcrafting is pog

[royal lantern]

because thats litearlly it man ._.

[thin gate]

with the incomming necklace

engineer doesnt provide anythign to us, does it?

alchemy = 2h potions with is fine

[royal lantern]

its bad, because it does no dmg and the stealth ability gain is not worth it at all, there is nothing more to it

[thin gate]

(flask / phial 2h)

[oblique tangle]

Oh, I have a guildie who has specialized in jc gear already, so

[royal lantern]

no proff has a bonus

dunno what he means

[grim tangle]

what's the difference between "it's bad" and "it's undertuned"

[royal lantern]

except more duration flask for alchemy

[balmy condor]

My English apparently

[weak horizon]

The short answer is that simulations show that the damage gain from it + the improved garotte you get is less than sbs

[thorn crater]

i wish

[thin gate]

@grim tangle nuthin

[weak horizon]

Basically shit dmg

[balmy condor]

Okay but why

[weak horizon]

Oh god it's been a while since I laughed this hard

[tame slate]

All talent comparisons must now be submitted in single spaced Times New Roman font, MLA Citations

[clever vigil]

and that is a fair answer. Something that also works better then. its shit bro

[balmy condor]

[stuck knoll]

but it means the same thing

[thin gate]

guys, does someone have a blacksmithing guide for monkes?

[weak horizon]

wowhead has a decent guide

[thin gate]

ty

[royal lantern]

inspiritation tree OP, max it fast, focus full on 1 kind of equiptment, dont spread out

[oblique tangle]

They're bad at explaining things. Just assume the answer is "we simmed it and it deals less damage and the reason doesn't matter"

[royal lantern]

the end

[thin gate]

thats what i wanted to know

im putting all into my dagger craft now

[thorn fjord]

Tryan spicy today?

[thin gate]

and after that i go into inspiration tree?

[royal lantern]

im always spicy

[thorn fjord]

[royal lantern]

[topaz bluff]

and embellishment changes. citations required for their dates of change discovery vs correction in the sims.

[hardy crypt]

is exsang worth taking even after the nerf?

[fleet imp]

#assassination-faq

[copper hazel]

please can you also use Harvard referencing in your answer.

[weak horizon]

Okay, but why?

[topaz bluff]

I like your style

[thorn fjord]

Pins

[stuck knoll]

I did mine in Arial is that okay?

[regal sable]

why?

[copper hazel]

I certainly do not miss Harvard referencing

[weak horizon]

I'm looking for a more in depth explanation with full sentences instead of "Pins".

[tame slate]

That's a half letter grade deduction

[thorn fjord]

Those explanations can be found in the pins

Rather lengthy one too

[weak horizon]

Sorry, I think my sarcasm isn't coming through here. I'm parody-ing a certain someone earlier today.

[thorn fjord]

Oh

Im in and out of chat

[sand elm]

sarcasm doesnt translate in text well

[copper hazel]

You will deduce an answer by navigating your eye balls to the top right of the discord page, clicking the 'pin' symbol with your left index finger on your mouse, and then proceed to further use your eye balls to read the information contained within the 'pin'

[thorn fjord]

It does if I was keeping up with chat I suppose lol

[weak horizon]

No worries, just search "sepsis"

[regal sable]

If you would kindly escort your eyes to the icon that resembles a pushpin in the upper right hand corner of your viewing device and then interact with it using either mouse, keyboard, track pad or touchscreen you may find an answer to your question

[topaz bluff]

sepsis is fine. Sims are wrong. Can't trust sims, member?

[lusty nimbus]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[craggy glen]

Wich enchants are we using?

[regal sable]

sophic

[thorny pond]

#assassination-faq or what can you afford

[craggy glen]

on both?

[regal sable]

yes

[craggy glen]

ok, thank you

[final briar]

anyone kann help me with this (look right on the pic)

[clever vigil]

That kinda makes me proud that people feel the need to do that

[copper hazel]

they stack

[thorn fjord]

Warning they’re super taxed right now lol

[craggy glen]

Yeah i can see that, if i buy some less expensive what do i take, the crit proc one on both? Or one crit and one mastery

[rich scaffold]

Are the Guides in #assassination-faq simmed with Tier sets?

[spice spire]

Yes

[thorn fjord]

Less expensive still going to be agi

Just a smaller amount

[craggy glen]

Ok, thanks mate

[thorn fjord]

Difference between 2 and 3 is like 100 something agi on the proc

Still good and it’ll save you like 20k

Atleast on my server… some people were saying their server had em at 100K

[lofty bluff]

opinion

I preferred exsang over sbs

fight me

[night delta]

My sophics r3 were at 60k in my server

[spice spire]

Why

Why fight you that is

[thorn fjord]

About 30k on hyjal us

[thorny pond]

that's not a baked take lol

[spice spire]

Enjoy what you enjoy homie

[green harbor]

[sand elm]

[keen raven]

Hey Guy's,

I'm trying to figure out best stat optimization for my lariat neck as well as general stat prio if I plan on both playing outlaw/sub for raid and m+.

Seems like stat prio for outlaw and sub is crit vers, but asa is crit mastery. Mastery also does pretty well on outlaw and sub.

Should I do crit mastery stats and crit vers gems or vice versa, what's the most optimal path/stat prio for mutliple spec gearing? I understand this is min max, but I'd like to be optimal.

[slim hamlet]

Probably crit haste right?

Cuz mastery omega sucks for outlaw

[keen raven]

Oh really it does?

[slim hamlet]

Unless that has changed

[keen raven]

But so does haste now IMO for aoe

[slim hamlet]

I mean let me check first

In SL it sucked

[keen raven]

Wish stat weightings worked :p

I''ll only be playing outlaw/sub in aoe situations

keep that in mind

[thorn fjord]

Haste gains value for HO build

[slim hamlet]

oh

[thorn fjord]

But not great for pirate

[slim hamlet]

haste is worse for outlaw now

[subtle tundra]

isnt mastery good for outlaw

[thorn fjord]

If you're playing KiR

[marble hemlock]

it has

[slim hamlet]

Crit master is probably the best honestly

[thorn fjord]

It is

[keen raven]

thats what I figured

[slim hamlet]

1. and 2. for sin and 1. and 3. for outlaw

[keen raven]

and then i can change gems once theyre cheaper to optimize

[spice spire]

Stats constantly fluctuate in weighting’s that’s why it’s not great; and there’s no way to give you the best answer possible.
But crit mast seems reasonable for all 3

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I would prob do that

[keen raven]

Bet thats what I was leaning towards

Thanks boys

[thorn fjord]

Hate that verse sucks for Sin as much as it does

[keen raven]

^

[slim hamlet]

Vers is 💤 stat

[thorn fjord]

It is but swapping between specs can be a pain when you've got a shit ton of verse in one lol

My stats are jacked up all the way around right now so w/e

[clear sphinx]

If im wanting to min max my assassination alt. do we have "bis" professions?

[spice spire]

Phrasing king 🤨

[thorn fjord]

My stats are completely jacked up for all 3 specs* lol

[spice spire]

No but for an alt, alchemy usually safe because less flask usage

[keen raven]

yea but i figure with enchants/vers flask

[gusty mirage]

blacksmithing so you can make your own dagger & alchemy cuz potions are expensive af

[keen raven]

I can compensate more on the vers side

[gusty mirage]

bsmithing less important cuz it's not too bad trying to find someone to craft a dagger for you

[clear sphinx]

Yeah im herb/alch atm but figured id need to go bs or lw for gear

[spice spire]

JC also good

Because there are JC exclusive things

[gusty mirage]

you can just workorder whatever you want from either one

herb/alch probably the best for all situations tbh

[thorn fjord]

Easiest too imo

[marble hemlock]

you can herb me anytime you want

[gusty mirage]

[marble hemlock]

pick me up and sell me on the auction house

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

there aint enough gold in the world to match your value

[cloud moat]

Any blue posts about embellishment fix yet?

Wondering if I should just craft a dagger with fang adornments for now

[gusty mirage]

embellishment bug seemed to be just for JCing

cause I recrafted a missive for someone yesterday

should be good to go

[marble hemlock]

heres the thing ye

i dont think

weapons were ever bugged

im like 99% sure the problem is that you need items to be fully repaired to recraft, and since rings/necks dont have a durability, it fucks with their recrafting

[gusty mirage]

yeah when I looked at all the complaints closer

it was 100% just a jewelcrafter thing

no other profession was complaining about it

[marble hemlock]

or maybe smth to do with sockets or smth

[gusty mirage]

ye cause their embellish is a socket thing right?

[marble hemlock]

nah but i wouldnt be surprised if it struggles keeping the sockets on recraft orsmth

or if the tiered medallion bugs it out somehow

[royal lantern]

should have tested the prof stuff a bit faster imo

was weird that they put it in so late into beta

[thorn fjord]

Instead of a rushing release?

You’re crazy

[royal lantern]

i mean, DF is not really a buggy launch

[thorn fjord]

Was worse than SL

[gusty mirage]

They made a post that explained what happened

Clarified a lot of shit

[royal lantern]

wut

[gusty mirage]

SL launch was the same for me

[royal lantern]

SL had way more gamebreaking/buggy stuff

DF just had the ussula "all players want to go into 1 place, so stuff is laggy af" problems all launches ever had

[thorn fjord]

I don’t remember it being that way but I dunno it was towards the end of quarantine and I was drunk most of the time

[gleaming geyser]

MoP helicopter quest

[royal lantern]

a classic

[cloud moat]

I know this doesnt really belong here but can you recraft a weapon without recrafting the ilvl? As in if I have a 5 star weapon but want to change the embellishment, is there a chance the crafter fucks it into a 4 star?

[atomic wolf]

Which embell are we using for assass anyway?

[cloud moat]

Lariat neck and ---- maybe not bronze bois, both drop from raid

[spice spire]

Hold tho

[strange python]

Check pins

[spice spire]

Check pins

Yes man

Possible issue with bronze so we hold tight

[atomic wolf]

ty

[silk bane]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[granite widget]

for the single target w/ some cleave but no aoe fights (sennarth, dathea not aoe, kurog) what talents should I be taking?

I assume CT is not worth it?

[red tinsel]

More fun though

There are bugs and performance problem, especially tied at Azure Span, but overall it did not detract of DF experience

[thin gate]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[red tinsel]

A more detailed explanation of how they expected profession to evolve would have been nice, as we are now in an anxiety ridden moment without being able to earn knowledge points reliably

[thorn crater]

is there somewhere we can see the mechanics of the fights? are htey on wow head yet

[spice spire]

YouTube has them for some guides

[ruby lotus]

Wowhead has most of them in, all but last boss it seems

[frozen iris]

Oops sorry wrong channel.

[thorn fjord]

Spanky's got some stuff posted too

[brazen nimbus]

When playing the DT build, mutilate consumes my CPs sometimes, whats that? am i missing something?

[balmy condor]

Do you use the personal resource display?

[strange python]

Saw YT videos with Assa rogues with 4 poisons buff. Am I missing something ? The last talent in the Assa tree allows you to go from 1 to 2 poisons right ?

[brazen nimbus]

Im not using personal resource display if that was to me @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Hm

Then no clue

[balmy condor]

1 to 2 for both lethal and non-lethal

So you go lethal+non-lethal x2

Is 4

[strange python]

Oh I see. Thanks. I thought I had tried that but once applying a third poisons, it removed the first one. I'll try again. Thanks

[silk bane]

Sry I think i missed the discussion earlier, but according to the ping, we still get neck/dagger but now we use fang instead?

[spice spire]

We hold

Unsure how it functions given it’s not available as of yet and word on the street is that it has some funky issues

[silk bane]

I see I see, Im down to hold then 😄

[subtle tundra]

apparently fang cant crit

so fang 📉

[silk bane]

bruh.... smh

[spice spire]

Varas loves his puter

[subtle tundra]

my fucking what

[thorny pond]

Quake's favorite meme

[spice spire]

True

[subtle tundra]

bro

where's the misinformation

the only thing i spread is assa propaganda

and outlaw hate

[spice spire]

Literally both of those things

Why hate rogue brethren

[subtle tundra]

its deep

[grim tangle]

outlaws aren't real rogues

[thorny pond]

yo

calm

[subtle tundra]

nah

he has a point

[spice spire]

🤨

Don’t stoop to the lows of big subtlety

[royal lantern]

all 2 rogue specs are perfect

[spice spire]

🤨🤨🤨

[pure moth]

theres only 1 spec. assassination

[spice spire]

I’ve raised a channel of haters

I’ve never been so proud/disgusted

[pure moth]

haha

[burnt venture]

Outlaw and Assassin PoG

[oak sky]

Never forget that hating is free

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[royal lantern]

outlaw is not using daggers

[spice spire]

But I’ve turned a leaf

[royal lantern]

rogues use daggers

🙂

[spice spire]

I’m non toxic

[thorn fjord]

But my pirate has a dagger OH

[gusty mirage]

what about butt pirates?

[oblique tangle]

WHAT'S EVEN THE POINT

[burnt venture]

Big boy abilities require big boy weapon 🙂

[thorn fjord]

Takes a few drinks and a semi nice dinner

[oblique tangle]

Can't believe I have to wait for a tailor to get the bronzed pattern before I can spend 40k on it to make my dagger >:(

[oblique tangle]

It kills me that I have a 377 sword and both my daggers are 360 tier still

It's like blizzard WANTS me to swap from ass

[burnt venture]

Bruh I hear ya. I have one 372 dagger but still using 366 pvp one other hand

[spice spire]

I have 6 379 mace/swords

[thorn fjord]

Y'all not killing super rares?

[spice spire]

Nonstop

[oblique tangle]

MOOD ON THE PVP ONE

[burnt venture]

I am, just getting INT OH’s and Strength swords

[thorn fjord]

Hoping for the crit/verse neck today

[oblique tangle]

It'd be nice if ass could use more than just daggers. Maybe fist weapons too? Just for some fun off-hand stuff? Pls?

[slim estuary]

379 mace 372 sword, 359 daggers for me… yaaaaay

[spice spire]

Same

[burnt venture]

I’m ilvl 373 but still have 346 necklace. KMS

[oblique tangle]

Either that or make other classes actually use daggers

[thorn fjord]

379 dagger OH and a few 376 pirate MH's for me

[copper hazel]

all these OL lovers in here

[thorn fjord]

I'm a rogue lover... I'll play any spec these days

[gusty mirage]

kiwi forgive them for they know not what they do

[plush oasis]

Blasphemy

[burnt venture]

Amen. I’m insanely happy with where we are as a class

[oblique tangle]

Mood, mood

[slim estuary]

I need 10 more primal chaos and I can play a real rogue spec again

[oblique tangle]

Hope you're not about to say sub

[amber oar]

anyone got kingsbane WA showing poison application stacks?

[burnt venture]

Want your ass whooped in ST, sure let me swap to Sin. Want your ass whooped in cleave, sure let me swap to OL

[copper hazel]

Bless thyne OL players for they know not what proceeds, only what glows

[burnt venture]

This what I tell my guildies lel

[slim estuary]

Ewwww gross

[oblique tangle]

I tell mine that they need to download dbm so they stop standing in bad.

It's like herding children

[burnt venture]

I hear that

[brazen nimbus]

do we use amplifying or deadly as exs build?

[burnt venture]

To keep things relatively off topic lol.. how many rogues you think we see in RWF?

[thorn fjord]

a few

[burnt venture]

In one raid I should have specified. One? Two? Stacking them?

[spice spire]

If you’re talented into amp; you’ll use amp

[plush oasis]

I expect to see only one rogue per team in rwf.

[amber oar]

anyone got kingsbane WA showing poison application stacks?

[dawn kelp]

Assa gonna get big playtime on terros let’s go

[plush oasis]

Gonna stack ranged like usual.

[thorny pond]

https://wago.io/VJQN41ULf

not really pertinent info, but you do you man

[topaz valley]

Hi, in the FAQ i see "- Bronzed Grip Wrappings Offhand (+1.1%)

• Elemental Lariat Neck (+1.1%)" as the most important crafts. What is "Bronzed Grip Wrappings Offhand" , is it the weapon "Primal Molten Shortblade"

[alpine latch]

Bronzed Grip Wrappings is an embellishment you can add to your offhand during crafting

[burnt venture]

It’s an embellishment on Molten Shortblade

[alpine latch]

Primal Molten Shortblade is the craft, BGW is the embellishment to the craft

[topaz valley]

Alright thanks 🙂

[trim zinc]

look at pins

[brazen nimbus]

when playing DT build no exsang, do you let the rupture fall off at opener during deathmark and then reapply or just refresh it?

[spice spire]

You can just refresh. The falling off is an Exsang feature

[brazen nimbus]

Alright, ty 🙂

[subtle tundra]

im getting desperate, where are our m+ buffs

[spice spire]

They’ll come when you stop the hate.
Only preach peace and kindness. You even may celebrate other specs idk, something wild

[swift dagger]

U guys expect more balance changes at reset or we going in like this to raid?

class balance changes

[subtle tundra]

i like all specs except one

[alpine latch]

If things are super broken this week, maybe - but probably not

[spice spire]

Gotta learn to like all specs

[subtle tundra]

i like 37 specs

its good enough

[cloud moat]

How much are the 3 star Devotion weapon enchants on your servers?

[swift dagger]

Aura buffs/nerfs to 10 dps specs inc

Disclaimer: this is JOKE

[subtle tundra]

no way

you cant joke here

[swift dagger]

Yeah I know

thats why I had to put in the disclaimer

[grim tangle]

only like 68k

[cloud moat]

Aren't the materials closer to 25k or so though?

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it's called profit

[wicked valve]

Gouging*

[alpine latch]

That's how economics work

[swift dagger]

? 5k profit should be enough for anyone

greedy sonsabitches smh

[grim tangle]

well maybe they can't 3 stars everytime

[alpine latch]

Tell it to Enron

[cloud moat]

Well, usually how WoW AH economics works, it's that ridiculously overpriced items fall fast to more reasonable prices

[swift dagger]

yeah probably cant 3 star every time

[alpine latch]

Not many people are 3-starring the high end shit

[cloud moat]

Perhaps

[alpine latch]

They were 250k last week

They've already fallen 75% and will continue to fall

[cloud moat]

Certainly

[spice spire]

Same shit every tier

[cloud moat]

Just a tiny bit surprised they're still as high as that

[alpine latch]

The benefit of crafting is that you can re-craft

And not lose things like embellishments

[spice spire]

Week one darkroom decks are like several hundred k

Now

Nothing in comparison

[cloud moat]

Can you recraft an embellishment without recrafting the ilvl?

[alpine latch]

I believe you can only change the embellishment, you can't lose it

But don't quote me on that

I thought that was the entire point

[cloud moat]

Yeah, what I'm worried about is that changing the embellishment to a different one would also drop the item from 5 star into something lower

[slate sequoia]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[analog anchor]

Whyspyrs sheet has a higher ST sim than the fuu sheet, why is that?

[molten galleon]

is there a standalone WA that shows if i need so reapply poison, with DTB in mind ?

[swift dagger]

Probably a lil bit different gearing or custom APL or smth the sheets are personal projects so the results arent necessarily the same

[analog anchor]

@swift dagger cool makes sense!

[woven ruin]

I wonder if Blizzard had any idea that the discord channels would become like 80% crafting discussion for the first couple week lol.

[slim hamlet]

I see you werent here the first week then

99% of the discussion then were

[tacit crystal]

is the tier set bugged in the simcraft api? I ran my current gear swapping for equal ilvl tier to get 2pc and 4pc and had zero dps increase with both

[swift dagger]

The day of Exsang nerf was lit here

[cerulean nest]

is there an up to date windfury priority sheet somewhere?

[spice spire]

Not that I’m aware of

[silk bane]

u guys think assas gonna be played on anything other than terros?

[slim hamlet]

Possibly

[cerulean nest]

I feel like the execute could be valuable enough to slot in interesting places

[slim hamlet]

Any fight that need heavy boss damage

[thorny pond]

burst and execute

[slim hamlet]

Has a good chance

[silk bane]

im thinking maybe the first boss if the ad damage isnt that important and terros so far

[spice spire]

I think assassin will be played on every boss (because I’ll play it on every boss)

[thorny pond]

Also, even if it isn't a RWF spec, doesn't mean it isn't viable

[slim hamlet]

Smart

[silk bane]

giga chad

[slim hamlet]

No

Cant play it in my normal guild runs because it isnt in rwf

yes

[thorny pond]

My alt/main is a MW monk. I've known the depths of "not viable"

[topaz bluff]

sin/sub/outlaw could all be even in damage and you could always argue execute phase is the most important and where sin starts to pull ahead/catch-up depending on how you look at it

[slim hamlet]

I think outtlaw will be played in the most fights in rwf

Sub maybe, not sin tho

Sin on like 2-3 fights maybe

[silk bane]

I guess we'll see. this raid is so ad heavy. depending how important ad damage is gonna be for some encounters but playing sin could be troll I feel like for a few fights

[thorn fjord]

JP def playing Outlaw

[subtle tundra]

nah

[thorn fjord]

Curious to see what build he'll use

[subtle tundra]

he will play all 3

[slim hamlet]

Also who the fuck knows, maybe they will play 5 sin rogues

[silk bane]

Idk man sub is looking really strong though no? Like im simming way higher ST on sub than outlaw, and my 3+ target cleave is same or better than otualw too

[slim hamlet]

Sub does seem crispy

Also same stats I belive as sin so I can't complain if sub is looking much better on some fights

Would much rather play sub than outlaw

[thorn fjord]

Think sub stats are the same as pirate

[silk bane]

sub can run crit verse and crit mastery I think so it could go both ways

[slim hamlet]

Same as both I guess

[royal lantern]

and i was the cause for 99% of those discussions

[oblique tangle]

I'm still upset

[brazen oasis]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[restive falcon]

should i do the Kingsbane build or the DTB build for my sims, i like both

[thorn fjord]

KB if you like smashing buttons

DTB if you like passives

[royal lantern]

"smashing buttons"

you press 1 button more every min

[thorn fjord]

Still

😛

WHERES THE LIE?!

You also take exsang

so thats 2 buttons

[restive falcon]

i mean i been playing outlaw the entire launch of xpac and im assass main so i am gonna assume KB build i will go with, i just wish Echoing Repairmand wasnt a button 🙂

ii hate echoing

[thorn fjord]

KB also takes exsang where DTB does not

[restive falcon]

i'll just sim build both, thank you

[thorn fjord]

keep in mind DTB will gain more value with Tier

[rain oyster]

F the amount of buttons kingbane build has. I’m already maxed out on my bars with shift mouse buttons coming into play to have 2 cov abilities AND tea

[tulip kernel]

whats yalls avg st dps atm

[royal lantern]

34

[rain oyster]

Dummy, patchwork, random innocent priest trying to level? What are we talking here?

The latter is infinite

[restive falcon]

i may be blind but what tier piece is the worst for us

[peak bobcat]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[rain oyster]

The one that doesn’t have crit mastery or is straight up haste vers….. but it’s dependent on your current gear

[restive falcon]

well the chest/gloves both got haste/vers but i assume the gloves r the piece we dont tier according to all the spreadsheet sims

@rain oyster

[true rapids]

do you need to re-enchant weps if you recraft and upgrade them?

[rain oyster]

Prob gloves then yea

[restive falcon]

also why does the sim have only 1 424 dagger and not 2?

[ionic fox]

Okay so from spreadsheet... DTB is better than exsang and kingsbane atm?

[spice spire]

Embellishments

[restive falcon]

ahhh

[tulip kernel]

no

[restive falcon]

thank you

[tulip kernel]

where does the bronze wrapping embellishment even come from

[thorn fjord]

Raid

But it’s broken right now apparently

[tulip kernel]

like bugged? or just bad

[thorn fjord]

Bugged

[gusty mirage]

not necessarily bugged

but leech can trigger the heal

which will trigger the ICD

so no damage

and fangs can't crit

[thorn fjord]

Busted interactions lol

[gusty mirage]

so fun times with the embellishments rn

[thorn fjord]

Gg

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

fuck

[gusty mirage]

recraft

DO IT

[burnt latch]

recraft to what

[gusty mirage]

405

DO IT

[burnt latch]

no can do

dont have infusions

[thorn fjord]

Did you let the stats randomize or you picked em oxi?

[gusty mirage]

picked them

[soft shale]

yea if you have the inspiration tree

you get so much you only need to gamble once

[gusty mirage]

non inspired craft

[burnt latch]

im casual wow gamer no time to farm renown because i have 6 kids and wife

[soft shale]

big chad

[gusty mirage]

my pocket books

are screaming at me

[soft shale]

man i still hit myself i messed up LW no super awl works

[thorn fjord]

Making good use of that salary

[gusty mirage]

I think my screen is messed up

[thorn fjord]

You’re dealing with puzzlebox too?

[gusty mirage]

hate this fucking thing

[strange python]

Wonder if this makes the boots competitive with toxified patch

[gusty mirage]

in b4 this triggers heals off damaging abilities

[strange python]

I'm assuming that's like burrs and omegabait too

But the other boots maybe

Good thing this was all well tested during the very good and powerful beta

[novel arrow]

Does Elemental Lariat have zero stats?

[gusty mirage]

correct

[strange python]

Wait I thought lariat had stats

Or was the correct to me

[gusty mirage]

it has 3 sockets

afaik it doesn't

lemme check

[strange python]

I thought it had two secondaries for missives and 3 sockets

[gusty mirage]

oh its just wowhead being dumb

yeah it has 2 random stats

can be picked w/ missive

[silk bane]

I think it should have stats

[thorn fjord]

That thing is so sick lol

[burnt latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pEupbMKA8KxVpfGeX4LMXP

fangs simming better for me

sus

[gusty mirage]

than what

[burnt latch]

wrappings

[gusty mirage]

well fangs are oversimming unless the fix was put in

and bronze wrappings are currently kinda not working well

[chrome mirage]

Why were fangs oversimming?

[gusty mirage]

cuz they can't crit

[chrome mirage]

Ah

They show up as like less than 1% of my overall currently

Hope they arent worse than that

[vestal wren]

it does not in nightly

[gusty mirage]

are the bronze wrapping changes in there too?

[vestal wren]

look at this sub sims

[subtle tundra]

you play the version with no crit. the sims dont have that implemented

[vestal wren]

bronze an fang

rly good

[gusty mirage]

good good

[vestal wren]

[novel arrow]

So generally, elemental lariat is what most people are going for as an embellishment .

[chrome mirage]

I was using raidbots nightly for the sim

[burnt latch]

ye fang was simming similar diff for me aswell as assa

[gusty mirage]

koji works fast

[subtle tundra]

ok so fangs is not the play

[strange python]

Do we know if this is bugged or intentional

[burnt latch]

wrappings was a scam all along

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

fang too strong

[gusty mirage]

fangs free damage

we take free damage

[burnt latch]

we take damage

[strange python]

So we demand ring and helm and go necklace. Got it

[burnt latch]

take damage

damage

damage

dam

D

[gusty mirage]

more like

dam warcieft you fine as a mfer

[burnt latch]

unreal rizz

[oblique jackal]

my sub build is doing more ST than Sin

[strange python]

Is Soviet still malding at you

[gusty mirage]

which one of us

[strange python]

Not a shock. Sin has the biggest benefit from tier set of the three specs.

[gusty mirage]

warcieft can be a lil rough around the edges

[burnt latch]

surely not me

[strange python]

He was omegamad at warcieft for calling it assisin or something

[burnt latch]

what rly

[oblique jackal]

okay thank god haha

[burnt latch]

unlucky

[oblique jackal]

i was worried

[slim hamlet]

amen

[burnt latch]

hated by them who dont get my love - Jesus

[wicked quartz]

does the doomblade bleed stack?

[dawn kelp]

What bosses is sin rogue stonks on other than terros

[fathom wind]

just a quick one guys what stats would be best on the dagger to play outlaw and assassin for raid and dungeon

[strange python]

Kurog seems like a sin fight to me

Maybe sennharth depending on how long spiders live

[subtle tundra]

idk just gonna roll my sin on their asses

like a boss

😡

[strange python]

Get benched for council

[subtle tundra]

i dont care

[strange python]

Win win

[subtle tundra]

i am better

[spice spire]

It works like ignite

[tulip kernel]

is cobalt ring like a must have atm

[strange python]

If you wanna be omegasweaty and are going to prog 3-4 mythic bosses this week? Probably not. If you're anything else? Definitely not.

[tulip kernel]

lol ok good

[strange python]

It's good damage, but the first half of a raid is very rarely impacted by that little damage from a ring

[tulip kernel]

i just dont want it to be a shooting stars situation or whatever the fuck that corruption was

[fluid glade]

a ring is not the same as corruption

[slim hamlet]

It's kinda meh

[strange python]

If you want to get a minor temporary upgrade and you're bored, the rep isn't bad to farm. But it'll be replaced by court of stars ring and just a general ilvl ring

[slim hamlet]

I believe it sims worse than other rings same ilvl

[tulip kernel]

obviously but ive seen it do insane ST dmh

ok cool

good

[strange python]

If you are the type of player to rep farm for a ring you'll probably also be grinding keys, and it'd be replaced fast

[rain oyster]

Sweaty 20s week 1 👀

[strange python]

I haven't seen comparative Sims yet but I figure even a +10 court of stars ring is better

[thorn fjord]

Sup stabs

[spice spire]

Better than what?

[thorn fjord]

Good weekend?

[strange python]

Almost lost my mind, so no.

[thorn fjord]

Bleh

sorry to hear

[earnest imp]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[abstract junco]

I might have missed someone griping about this earlier, but low-key one of the biggest stings of the exsang nerf is having a 3-minute re-talent anchor.

[thorn fjord]

feels so bad

Wonder if this sims better than my 376

[bold drum]

strength

[thorn fjord]

Yeah i know

big sadge

[strange python]

I get the bow and shield at 385 every day

Never agi wep

[thorn fjord]

managed to get a 379 dagger

[sturdy egret]

Who drop the dagger?

[thorn fjord]

Blisterhide

[oblique tangle]

I got a duplicate already from the weekly water chest

So I feel you

[small meteor]

You mean the trial of floods? Those are weekly??

[strange python]

I think pyrhus also drops a dagger

[small meteor]

I thought it was a one time deal shit

[oblique tangle]

Ye

[barren lintel]

Finding a group for the first reset will be nigh impossible

[oblique tangle]

Do what I do and begrudgingly pug people

[hoary lake]

Is ER just sent on cd or is it worth lining up with kb?

[hollow barn]

Does the spreadsheet not have weapon enchants or am I blind?

[oblique tangle]

#assassination-faq

[hollow barn]

very nice, I am blind thank ytou

[arctic bobcat]

is there a breakpoint for when mastery would be better than crit or would it be best to always just stack crit?

thinking in terms of gems

[royal lantern]

sim

[swift dagger]

I would say, follow Top Gear sim

[thorn fjord]

Does the Primal Ritual Shell work outside of waking shore?

[arctic bobcat]

ah great idea thanks, not used to simming yet lol

[swift dagger]

Works anywhere, in instances too (idk about PVP tho)

[thorn fjord]

Gives us mastery?

[swift dagger]

U can change it to Fire proc

at the altar

[thorn fjord]

And fire

Fires the way to go?

[spice spire]

There’s no break point for any stat. Stat “weights” are fluid, and adding some of x, will up ys priority. And this will continue forever and ever amen. Top gear is your best friend

[swift dagger]

U can actually do the sim but generally Fire yeah

theres an option to choose the buff in Raidbots

[thorn fjord]

Sweet ty

[craggy glen]

Genuine question, if the sims work, why is there not any simulation yet at bloodmallet?

[spice spire]

Not all trinkets implemented iirc

[novel arrow]

What is our assa 4 set. It's 4% right?

theres a bit of confusion going on in another channel. Here to confirm

[craggy glen]

Single target yeah

[novel arrow]

Single target?

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s about 4%, 8% total ST

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[novel arrow]

I mean like is the buff 4% per stack. Some people syaing it 2 %

[spice spire]

Sheet has sauce

God bless

Brain fried long day, bad at explaining

[ripe bone]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[flint tusk]

Damn, just done a sim of my toon using DTB vs one dance sub for the raid. and sub is better O.o i was actually shocked by that. always thought sub was lagging for some reason

it is only 400dps so it's margin of error and DTB will still probably be more damage on progression

[thorn fjord]

People still seem to think sub is trash when it’s actually sitting pretty nice right now

Rejoice for no option is a wrong one

Play whichever spec you like to your hearts content

[flint tusk]

Yeh i'm actually pretty happy about that as i can jump between the two as gearing is identical

can jump to sub for some cleave with prio fights and actually do well. abusing SS

[next arch]

Weirdly enough, probably due to the fight time. My sub sims 600dps. (Super minimal ik) higher than my assa.

[drifting cosmos]

hey guys, is there an opener sequence for DTB m+ build?

[swift dagger]

Do we let Improved Garrote run out aka ignore the pandemic before reapplying it? For non-exsang builds.

[drifting cosmos]

got a sample from raidbot not sure if it's right

[slim hamlet]

ye

[swift dagger]

I guessed so, fk me I need to fix my WA's then

[silk bane]

I think sins gonna be played on 2 bosses, outlaw on 1 and sub on the rest

[slim hamlet]

Im pretty sure sin will be played on all

Because @spice spire Will be playing itt on all

[swift dagger]

I think I've literally seen every single combination of specs on these lists so who the fuk even knows anymore, we'll see in a day or two ig

[slim hamlet]

I'm still betting on 5 sins rogue on all bosses

oof

[trim zinc]

im playing sin on all 2 prob

[slim hamlet]

Me 2

Besides maybe council

Council seems really depressing as sin

[thorn fjord]

Think you’ll see outlaw on more fights

[trim zinc]

council sbs CT and maybe ic hype

[swift dagger]

I kinda want to play mostly Sin too cuz its pretty straightforward with DTB build for progression but we'll see how numbers go 🙂

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr said IC will probably be played on council

Which makes it even more oof for me

[spice spire]

Amen

[trim zinc]

sometimes u gotta fight these hard days and deal with it as sin

[slim hamlet]

Or i could just go sub

🙂

Don't you want to kill one at a time too?

Even better for sub

[thorn fjord]

@gusty mirage poggers got a replacement for puzzlebox

[slim hamlet]

all my homies hate puzzlebox

[thorn fjord]

Fuck that thing

[topaz valley]

how do you use puzzle in the rotation ? cast feels so long

[slim hamlet]

you open character screen and unequip it

[thorn fjord]

Right now you just precast on pull

and you cast outside of big CD's during fight

[slim hamlet]

Worse than exsang smh my head

[thorn fjord]

Wonder if itll still sim higher for my sin build

But atleast for pirate its a 1.5k decrease

[topaz bluff]

delete/shard the item is how I play it

[slim hamlet]

ew

pirate

[thorn fjord]

I'm an equal opportunity rogue

No bad specs here bb

[solid mica]

how come the flying daggers talent says increase radius TO 12 yards when the tooltip in spellbook already says it's 13 yard radius?

[slim hamlet]

Pirate is cool if the talent situation was better

[slim hamlet]

cuz you got +3 yards from other talent

it would become 15 yards

[solid mica]

oh from acro?

[slim hamlet]

i dont remember what its called

but the one that gives you +3 yards