assassination

[earnest imp]

so Stinky what are u gonna play

[subtle tundra]

gonna cry not play

[marble hemlock]

i think in lower ranked guilds, leaving mid prog is acceptable cuz it just lasts so long and youre rarely fucking over 20+ other people by leaving mid-prog

[subtle tundra]

we're already going troll comp

so im going assa

[ebon notch]

i told my GM i wanted to leave while on farm, he asked me to stay for 2 weeks until they could find a replacement, then they benched me on every boss

[subtle tundra]

playing with ele shaman LOL

[ebon notch]

so i just left

[marble hemlock]

yeah most people that leave for greener pastures tend to stay voluntarily to "help out", and most other raidleaders/guilds respect that as well. loyalty is important, and if a raider is disloyal to their previous guild, thats already a red flag for the new guild

[swift dagger]

For sure, just constantly guildhopping is a bad quality

[ebon notch]

the new guilds RL was like "fuck those guys we get in you in now if you want" so i just hopped early

[subtle tundra]

i raided for 3 hours and 30 minutes at a friends party. cant get any more loyal than that

[swift dagger]

and it happens a lot in lower ranked guilds during progress 🙂

[marble hemlock]

its always a bit awkward when someone stays to help out, but obviously you dont wanna have them in on every boss but rather trial someone new or give other players more playtime/loot. so the player thats just "helping out" tends to be on the bench a lot and only swapped in for where you actually want him, i.e. a priest on nerzhul or smth like that

[burnt latch]

i personally looked for a new guild during the end of prog in seppy, and informed my gm that ill be looking into options but sticking around till prog is done in any case. dont think theres anything wrong with wanting to have an option to leave the guild as soon as prog is done, which would require for u to search for said guild during prog. its not like youre doing the searching during raid hours anyways so doesnt affect anyone

[subtle tundra]

as long as i dont have to play outlaw in the raid im fine with the guild

[night delta]

Our guild has voluntary bench applications to ease off stress from our RL

Its great

[swift dagger]

(If officer in my guild sees this message please know I am not intending to leave you guys plz no bench 🙂 )

[cobalt hemlock]

i was kept on bench for 2 years promised ill get chance next tier every time. after i leave fpr guild that would give me a spot they get mad 🤣

[burnt latch]

dude my guild has to force people to play on farm like 70% of the guild wants to just chill after prog

[marble hemlock]

yeah we often have 1-3 people saying theyll quit/take a break or leave after prog is over. but we dont really have people leave mid prog, thats just bad. and most guilds will be hesitant to pick up a player who does this

[ebon notch]

2 years?

[dark token]

i think actually guild hopping most prog was most effective for me to hop world ranks

if u play a meta class

[marble hemlock]

well, sometimes people are desperate

[cobalt hemlock]

maybe little less but preety much 3/4 of shadowlands

[marble hemlock]

guild might lose a key player to IRL and need a replacement

[dark token]

i went from r1k to r30 cause i had a meta class and good logs and guild needed a rogue with execute on star augur

[burnt latch]

yeah I agree leaving mid prog is a bad thing to do, but even that depends on how long your guild takes to clear the raid. If you take 3 months to clear the raid, youre 1 month into the tier and havent seen any play, I wouldnt blame the guy for leaving or looking for options

[dark token]

so they gave me a shot

[subtle tundra]

i got lucky and my guild went from r500 to r100

[marble hemlock]

but guild hopping is frowned upon, and poaching is even worse

[dark token]

i agree thats why i dont anymore

i only change post tiers if i didnt like the tier

before i was like 16 and hungry for world rank

[marble hemlock]

when you get into top150, most guilds tend to know each other if theyre similar style guilds, i.e. we know most other 3man guilds and vice versa, and have friends/ex raiders there

[slim hamlet]

My head is in paim

[cobalt hemlock]

left start to mid sepulcher

[ebon notch]

bro if i was on the bench for 2 years

i wouldnt even be playing the game

[cobalt hemlock]

i was clueless

[subtle tundra]

i could definetly swap to a higher wr guild but i dont see any advantages to that

[novel arrow]

2 years?

Nanee?

[slim hamlet]

Dratnos just said confidently that talking leechin poison is dps loss

[marble hemlock]

so people tend to behave and stay for a prog, cause they know that leaving mid prog will lead to no vouches when they switch guilds, making applications a lot harder. its just mostly word of mouth these days, very few trials we have are coming from actual applications

[dark token]

[marble hemlock]

highend raiding scene just isnt very big anymore

[ebon notch]

if u die cause not enough leech might be dps loss

@midnight mist how much dps loss is death?

[pale island]

Hi, im new to assass rogue. I have a fairly stupid question, The faq on discord says i have to use my haste buffs before exsang. But using my algethar puzzle box during vanish removes my stealth. Am i supposed to use my trinket before entering stealth or after using the IG?

[ebon notch]

puzzle box is not a haste buff

you would use it pre pull and then restealth

[slim hamlet]

Yeha so its dps increase dapsman

[balmy condor]

Dratnos says bad rogue things more news at 10

[slim hamlet]

Xd

Yep

[dark token]

man plays tank nowadays

[pale island]

oh yeah sorry. my bad

[ebon notch]

is ok 🙂

[dark token]

he stuck in bfa rogue

[night delta]

Our system also has a catch : bench is bench, not absent

[low girder]

if he knows a better way to pick up seal fate without leeching poison he should let us know

would be great tech

[slim hamlet]

Yeah but why say it if you have no idea smh my head

[night delta]

Voluntary bench means you still have to be available

[balmy condor]

I agree, would love to see it

[dark token]

bench = you log on and stay available for dcs

yes

i usually do m+ while bench

[midnight mist]

Pinged in sin?

[ebon notch]

you do big sims

[dark token]

and will dip my key if i get summoned in

[midnight mist]

Just don't die bozo

[swift dagger]

Bench in one of my old guilds was needing to watch a Discord stream all the time. Shit was rough

[balmy condor]

@midnight mist I love you please go back to your channel

[ebon notch]

[marble hemlock]

[ebon notch]

am i allowed to stay

[swift dagger]

like please, I dnt wanna watch u play for 3 hours just fill me in on new prog strats in one or two pulls

I got shit to do

[balmy condor]

No your name yellow

[dark token]

i mean if ur like

[marble hemlock]

oh you mean bench during prog?

[dark token]

top 30 benched

you probably should

[swift dagger]

It was top 1500 guild btw

[marble hemlock]

yeah just having stream open or smth on the side

[dark token]

just to know strat when you are swapped in

[marble hemlock]

is pretty helpful

[slim hamlet]

Holy shit he legit got every single thing about rogue wrong, actually speedran it

[swift dagger]

I can understand when ur cutting edge but this was way back

[slim hamlet]

Im masge

Madge

[marble hemlock]

yeah.....

its actually sad

how bad raidleaders are

in many many guilds

[balmy condor]

Tell him to respond to DM’s or something

[marble hemlock]

and their bad decisions/choices then trickle down to the rest of the community

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

Get ghosted

Subs thing ended up being a buff

[next edge]

Sin dead

confirmed

[slim hamlet]

Bigger chance that outlaw is not the go to for aoe

Hell yeah

[swift dagger]

Not a big one I think, CB just buffs SecTec 1st hit instead of SS after SecTec

[slim hamlet]

Deffo

No idea what you just told me brother

[next edge]

I mean

it is a buff

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[next edge]

because its a QoL change

[balmy condor]

It buffs the whole thing actually

[swift dagger]

yes

[next edge]

I doubt its even a 1% win

[next edge]

It buffs initial ST hit

[marble hemlock]

cb should buff the whole kingsbane

[next edge]

instead of the SS you did after

[marble hemlock]

change my mind

[next edge]

I doubt its that big

[slim hamlet]

1% of my 1 billion dmg is a lot

[next edge]

CB needs a rework

[swift dagger]

yeah but the CB tech was already buffing hit2 and 3 of SecTec + SS afterwards, now its just all 3 hits of SecTec

[next edge]

and make the spell cool

[balmy condor]

Yes

Okay

We agree

Wording was weird

[swift dagger]

I can see why u were confused actually

[marble hemlock]

casting CB before applying amplifying or deadly poison to yourself, should make the poison crit everytime it procs until it expires. change my mind.

[low girder]

make it work with exsang cast

[next edge]

Yeah it was

[low girder]

[next edge]

Even its weird nowadays

because basically if you CB eviscerate

only amplifies the physical part

not the shadow dmg part

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

yeah, thats what we need. interactions that make exsang better again

[balmy condor]

Cb whack talent

[tardy roost]

is the double/tripple garrote opener only done when playing subterfuge or all the time?

[balmy condor]

Shrouded

New openers soon.tm

[marble hemlock]

(and imp garrote)

[swift dagger]

ya but Sub never uses CB on anything but SecTec

[tardy roost]

the ofc with shrouded but do i still do it with natty garrotes after the first one?

[dark token]

btw apparently if you craft a pisslow 385 dag with a crit/mastery missive, the stats stay when you recraft and dont add 15 difficulty

[next edge]

Can we get a 6 garret opener

[dark token]

so you can recraft to 405 easier

[earnest imp]

I started the expansion with excitement, have to admit blizz has fucked up so much of the core stuff that cant say im happy

[swift dagger]

I mean u can do missive+Embellishment to get a start and then recraft for iLvl, I think thats the correct way to go about it. Seliathan will know if Im being stupid.

[balmy condor]

Dance

[marble hemlock]

does one of them need to have anything to do with the other? just checking before i make my assessment

[dark token]

well it lowers recipe difficulty

so your 405 craft is easier withour rng inspiration

[marble hemlock]

if you can remove the missive but the stats wont get rerolled, thats a bug. i wouldnt expect it to stay that way

[next edge]

I dont think blizz fucked up on anything tbh

on the contrary, exp feels great

[subtle tundra]

these professions are killng me

[marble hemlock]

you cant craft 405 without inspiration

[low girder]

i mean they def fucked up on a few things but they're all bugs really

[earnest imp]

This rare farm (that you dont have to do but if you raid semi comp then yeah), issues with professions

[dark token]

how does this even work for crafters, not sure how the ui works on their side

you work order quality 5 405 dag

[balmy condor]

Thank god finally

[swift dagger]

Well yeah actually youre right it doesnt matter u can do naked dagger and then recraft with same chance so my point is silly

[dark token]

they make 10x daggers and submit the one that rng'd?

[marble hemlock]

you cant craft that

[earnest imp]

lmao Whispyr

[swift dagger]

or just do all at same time

[marble hemlock]

cause the workorder quality you do has to be guaranteed. and you cant guarantee 5qual

[swift dagger]

cuz u still rely on Inspiration proc

[dark token]

ah i see

ok makes sense

[static glacier]

I think it needs illustrious to guarantee

[subtle tundra]

leave me alone time to level blacksmithing on my alt for the rep and then unlearn it

[marble hemlock]

so the work order has to be 3 or 4star minimum

[balmy condor]

[dark token]

but you kept submitting recraft orders

[steel sorrel]

We are 2 weeks into an expac, raids/rated pvp/M+ aint released but you are daying its fucked already? pogger

[dark token]

to get the rng 5 rank

if you are unlucky and get 4

[marble hemlock]

he just recrafts

okay so

[static glacier]

It was fucked from day 1 prepatch

[marble hemlock]

theres 2 options there

when you get a crafting order and fill it

[steel sorrel]

ok.

[marble hemlock]

i can recraft immediately with your own mats

or i finish the order

customer gets the 4star one

and creates another recraft order with his mats

i do that, i have the same 2 options

[dark token]

thats the part i was curious about

[marble hemlock]

recraft wiht my own mats (and mettle) or send it back

its a bit cumbersome

even when you have 36% inspiration chance

[dark token]

i wasnt sure if the craft was in the ui or not or it dropped into your inventory

[marble hemlock]

it goes into mail when i click "complete order" button, but i can recraft with my own shit if i wanted to

[dark token]

ah so its like a paused state

where you can attempt recrafts

[marble hemlock]

ye

[dark token]

before submit

[marble hemlock]

item is in limbo while you have the order up

[dark token]

thx, my professions dont have work orders so it was weird without seeing the ui myself

[marble hemlock]

the annoying part is basically

i have to complete the order

then the guy has to run to mailbox

fetch item

do a recraft order

with his mats

then i do that one once. same thing

i complete order, he has to run to mail etc.

theres no option for him to just specify a certain amount of recrafts, which would be nice

[dark token]

minimum quality for public orders would be cool too

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[dark token]

or cross server orders

[marble hemlock]

i feel bad everytime i do some craft order

[swift dagger]

Public Orders deffo need some work

[marble hemlock]

with someone using rank3 materials

cuz i know they couldve gotten fucked over by someone with low skill

just using it to skill up or smth

blizz just needs to improve the UI/functionality, and figure out a way to allow cross-server crafting

would have to remove the compensation feature tho

otherwise itd be too easy to transfer gold

[next edge]

BUT then whats the point

of crafting for others

main idea was a source of goold

[random fossil]

Seli are you running bs/mining?

[marble hemlock]

i meant only for crossrealm crafts

like, it should be possible to do private orders crossrealm for no fee

so you can have friends on other servers do stuff for you

[marble hemlock]

no, engi/bs

[next edge]

Yeah that make sense

[marble hemlock]

i was inscription/engi first but i fucked up my inscription tree so i went BS instead

[random fossil]

I'm engi/mining rn but after your bs masterclass yesterday I'm considering going the double crafting route

[marble hemlock]

if you have ~200-300k gold to throw at reagents to get 100bs, go for it

[thorn crater]

same as me lmao

[random fossil]

I like work orders a lot but no-one is doing engi orders on my realm except for the fishing tool and ive only got 25 copper coins so far

[marble hemlock]

i mean

they just get sniped instantly

since public orders have no quality requirements

i ran out of daily crafting orders for 2 days when i was the only one on TN that could craft some of the profession tools

but that didnt last long, and people didnt pay a lot for it either. the fees are a joke atm, honestly

[subtle tundra]

always will be tbh

[marble hemlock]

yeah i mean

private fees for the really big items will probably be fairly high

[thorn crater]

ure on twisting nether eu?

[random fossil]

Some dude was giving 60k for a jc tool but I cba farming more keys for valdrakken rep, I regret it now that the order is gone tho

[marble hemlock]

ill probably charge 100k or more for 418 dagger

[marble hemlock]

ye

[thorn crater]

lmao same realm

[subtle tundra]

my dear guildie went bs for daggers so i get them free ;3

and he no life farms ;3

[thorn crater]

server is a menace for ah and crafting orders

[marble hemlock]

yeah i mean

you cant really farm for professions anyway

to push them more than others

[random fossil]

I'm quel'thalas, nothing ever happens in quel'thalas 😦

[marble hemlock]

its almost entirely weekly lockout shit, the only thing you can farm is shards of knowledge and their droprate is so abysmal that it makes no difference

think in my entire expedition grind i got like 8 shards total

and thats ~1.5k relics

[random fossil]

Oof

[marble hemlock]

i actually got 5 in a single day, that was weird

[static glacier]

It’s only 100kish from like 60

[marble hemlock]

i doubt that

obsidian alloy is still expensive

[static glacier]

Master’s hammers aren’t expensive to level with

[marble hemlock]

its 1 obsidian alloy each, theyre still like 4k here, last i checked

[static glacier]

You still on TN?

[marble hemlock]

ye

but prices also dropped a lot so maybe a lot cheaper now

[static glacier]

Like 1.5 when I did it a few days back

[thorn crater]

is the epic crafting hammer a rare drop? seli?

[cursive igloo]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-profession-bug-unable-to-change-or-add-embellishments-when-330416?webhook

[marble hemlock]

its from one specific rare, ye

but the recipe is BoE

[static glacier]

Ended up dropping bs after 100 for like 1-2 weeks since I fucked my tree up with insp over hammer ctrl

[marble hemlock]

wdym fucked your tree up?

[static glacier]

Invested fully into the inspiration thing in hammer control before maxing out +skill level ups

[marble hemlock]

but thats good? 😄

[static glacier]

Will need like 15-20 points to fix

Nah it’s horrible

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[static glacier]

I need insp to hit 5* that others can guarantee

[marble hemlock]

yeah

so?

[static glacier]

And with insp proc I’m still behind by a few points

[marble hemlock]

they cant craft 405 guarantee

let aloner 418

[static glacier]

They can

[marble hemlock]

unless they use insight

[static glacier]

With illust

Ye

[marble hemlock]

you can craft it without

yeah so they waste 50 mettle

you dont

seems like a W

considering a recraft costs like 2k gold

[static glacier]

I can’t proc 5* without iirc, need to check another time

[marble hemlock]

yeah idk

inspiration is busted on BS

[static glacier]

Either way it’s cheap in the bigger picture to drop 100k or w/e to be able to prof shuffle

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JtLnP/eb329c8fa2.jpg

like

i can craft 418 already

its 390 difficulty

with proc im already like 15 skill over

[static glacier]

I think by next week I should be able to return to Bs

[marble hemlock]

and itll be a lot cheaper to recraft 3-4 times max

[static glacier]

It was just bad this week compared to pure skill

[marble hemlock]

than have to pay for 50 mettle

[static glacier]

True true

[marble hemlock]

yeah depends on how much knowledge you had available ig

[static glacier]

Time to go out, cya

[marble hemlock]

its like 110 knowledge to get 418 craftable as BS

bb

[random fossil]

Could you link your bs trees again seli?

[marble hemlock]

https://www.wowhead.com/profession-tree-calc/blacksmithing/BDkOED1iNeBeBKm1AC4CMqeCK

get this to self-craft 405 with proc

can probably get 418 done with that, actually

[random fossil]

Already used my spark on wrists but I'll try to get that for next week

Any specific order for the tree?

[outer lodge]

Seli are you just using Fang Adornment now as a hold over until you can recraft with wrappings?

[marble hemlock]

in terms of allocation, go 10-10-30, then choose between 10-30-30 or opening up hammer control and putting everything into inspiration. makes no real difference. blades30 is 20skill and 12skill from proc, poignant plans is like 30 skill from proc

[random fossil]

Awesome sir, thank you muchly 💙

[merry cypress]

if you recraft a weapon, can you also change its stats and embellishments?

[dark token]

seems to be a weeky lockout

i got 2 really close to weekly reset

same with the 1 point treasures

there was like 5-10 available right at reset and since then nothing

[marble hemlock]

nah theyre definitely "grindable" but its a shitty droprate

like 1% or less imo

[dark token]

could be DR'd but still droppable

i definitely think higher chance per weekly lockout

[cobalt hemlock]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[subtle tundra]

i have just received my first random drop one

from the weekly rep cache

but its not like i farmed anything

[slim hamlet]

NA always be getting that premium WQ's

[grizzled ruin]

what do u mean? we had that whole week on eu

[slim hamlet]

huh

[thorn crater]

so wait the fact that i got the hammer recipe as soon as i swapped to blacksmithing and killed him once

is lucky?

lol

[subtle tundra]

we did yea

[slim hamlet]

wel lthen

Weird it is on wowhead then

[grizzled ruin]

aslong as u were above 373 ilvl

[slim hamlet]

I got it first kill on my BS too

But it shoudlnt be 100%

[grizzled ruin]

else the matrix at plains was blue quality

[slim hamlet]

Just insane luck for he both of us i guess

[subtle tundra]

its still up for 4 hours or so

[grizzled ruin]

it is up but unless u r past 373 or so ilvl u wont see it as epic

[slim hamlet]

WQ's has reset no?

[grizzled ruin]

but as blue quality

[subtle tundra]

its still up

[plucky thistle]

I run out of energy pretty easily do i need some haste cap?

[subtle tundra]

yes 300% haste

[gusty lance]

was blue for me below 370 ilvl then i passed 370 and it got epic

[plucky thistle]

@subtle tundra But rly i know you get energy from Rupture and others but i have 6% haste and it feel low

[subtle tundra]

your haste wont change how the spec feels

[vestal cliff]

Do u guys think outlaw is better than assa in m+ and raid? I see so many outlaw players and they tell me to swap

[grizzled ruin]

play what u like unless your goal is to do +30 keys and be world 1st

[deft flicker]

Unless you’re playing at a level where spec choice makes a difference between a kill and a wipe (in which case you probably know enough about either spec to not ask the question) play what you’re most comfortable with. That way you can focus on enemies and environment instead

[subtle tundra]

yes outlaw is better in m+

[novel arrow]

How do you know? M+ isn't even out yet.

Mabe outlaw is banned in M+ next week. You dont know!

[tacit oar]

Wdym banned

[brazen zodiac]

lmao banned

[novel arrow]

I'm just teasing .

[dark garnet]

Outlaw outlawed

[lusty kraken]

hey guys, could you please clarify when I should use Thistle Tea? Do I keep it for burst windows or do I just use it whenever I'm low on energy?

[gusty mirage]

when you're low on energy

[lusty surge]

I bet thistle tea tastes like a 5 hour energy shot

900% DV of b12

[novel arrow]

Like double espresso

[lusty surge]

Hell yeah

[modest glen]

DTB opener is same as in faq section? the one without exsanguinate

[lusty surge]

Rogue should get a bonus for chasing their vial with tea

Modern brew master

[novel arrow]

Like energy over time , instead of 100 energy insta.

[lusty surge]

Yeah like

A talent that makes vial give energy lol

Fun thematically but degen

[misty holly]

I want a multi-button. Feint, Vial, Tea all in one press.

[dark token]

amplifying poison tastes like monster ultra (white label)

[burnt latch]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[lusty surge]

You're not supposed to drink the poison. It's poisonous.

[royal lantern]

actually, most rogue poisons are venoms

[weak kraken]

I know it's a stale meme at this point.

But I cannot get a freaking dagger upgrade upgrade.

Blood token + max aspirants. Meanwhile I've got a bag full of world quest/super rare maces and swords.

[royal lantern]

petition to rename all abilitys in the class into venoms, poisons is missinformation

[royal lantern]

grab your spark, get a crafter

[weak kraken]

Nah I want that necklace. It had a nice name

Only a few days more of misery. Then I can spam m+ for more sadness

Bag iIvl is fine for now

[royal lantern]

you get a new spark next week buddy

people really sweat over the sparks, a currency you will drown in in a couple weeks, way to hard

[weak kraken]

Spak spak

[lusty surge]

And numbing is an anesthetic

[hollow nexus]

i have a question regarding the opener, i have the algeth'ar puzzle box trinket but im wondering when i should use it, anyone got some advice?

[slim hamlet]

nerd

[red tinsel]

Right before pull I guess? It has a small cast time

[slim hamlet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[red tinsel]

Guys, questions - The Alchemy trinket, for alchemists, even though it's Aurhora most dreaded Stats, the effect is any good for M+? Thinking if it'd help me use Bottle of Putrescence more often for pulls

[snow ginkgo]

hey

any recommendations on a leveling build ?

couldnt find any pins about it

[red tinsel]

Idk how easy it is since you'll be getting points every level or so. My recommendation is to pick a final build you like and try to build towards it

If you like the KB Single target, get it, and build up to it getting the important nodes that you can first, then work towards the rest

Like I'd take SBS and Thistle at 60, then build towards ER and Kingsbane

[snow ginkgo]

tvm !

[prisma creek]

the "exsamgiomate" nerf, has this nerved the talent to a degree of non pick, or is it still viable?

[royal lantern]

god i wish it was a non pick now

but still see play

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[prisma creek]

[naive lagoon]

does anyone have an issue where you get un-stealth randomly, even though there is no aoe, dots, or not nearby enemies? ;-;

[viscid spear]

Brackenhide Hollow?

[naive lagoon]

yes!!

[royal lantern]

brackenhide is buggy as hell

rogues/ferals gets perma stealth broken

healers cant drink cus it instant cancles

you are somehow stuck in combat, without beeing in combat

[viscid spear]

It also screws with Mage Invis

[naive lagoon]

ahh, glad it's not me. yay

thanks! ❤️

[royal lantern]

i mean, its not in the m+ rotation for their genius idea to make 50%of the dungeons ussules for 1/2 years

sooooo....its not that important

[viscid spear]

Shame they added Halls of Valor and not Maw of Souls

[naive lagoon]

worst dungeon so far >:[

[red tinsel]

I miss Maw of Souls

but Halls is great too

[prisma creek]

my opener... 1 5 1 3 v 3 g M3 1 F1 F2 4 F3 R . . . Me thinks I've never seen a more fucked one this year 😄

[viscid spear]

OH-DEN, DA AYY JIZZ

[gleaming geyser]

F KEYS?

[flint summit]

Anyone have a simple bleed tracking WA? I don’t like how bloated the WA packs are, just want something simple

[weak kraken]

I'd recommend soothing darkness, and potentially shadowdance.

While not used in most dungeon/raid builds. It's big in open world for burst and survivability.

Outside of that, practice dotting 2, and 3 targets with rupture/garrote. You'll start to get a feel for an important part of the cleave rotation.

[prisma creek]

With Exanguinate beeing now a 3 min cd, do I use it in combat only with deathmark (do I keep it around for 1 min?) or is that not worth it? -> DM has 2 min cd and Ex 3... so... every 3 it would only line up again?

[red tinsel]

Is that... wrong?

[red tinsel]

Great question, haven't had a fight for 4minutes yet

[prisma creek]

Tee is on shift + spacebar 😛

[gleaming geyser]

Nothing is wrong per say, whatever works for you, but id use shift modifiers before F keys xdd

[red tinsel]

I got used with F keys when I was very young with Ragnarok Online

[gleaming geyser]

Same with Diablo 2

[red tinsel]

I use very few Shift modifiers, like 1 to 4, then E, F, R and mouse buttons

And -one- Alt modifier so far

[prisma creek]

I would assume it will be a thing to disguss with the raidbosses? Most of them do most brobably last longer than 3 min 😄

[red tinsel]

Alt modifier to change Mut into Ambush

[red tinsel]

Yeah, but I haven't had the pleasure yet

[prisma creek]

M4 = Kidney M4+Shift = Mount M4+Alt = Smokebomb... I am very confused 😄

[prisma creek]

me neither... 😄 sadly wants the loot

[gleaming geyser]

I like to use Q for ambush right under 1. And shift C is for cloak, shift E is for evasion and shift V is for vanish

[prisma creek]

Vanish is M5 ^^ and Shift M5 is Vanish+Cloak 😄

[gleaming geyser]

M5 is for SPEED

[rain oyster]

Every xpac. assass looks fun to play and viable in both m+ and raid... then blizz chips away and away and we back to same old assass 😄

[prisma creek]

for Speed? Nah... that middle mouse... Middle mouse button is Shadowstep, and Shift + Middle is SPEEEEEEEEED

[gleaming geyser]

Its always so interesting seeing all the different keybind setups

[prisma creek]

soon exanguinate will be no longer picked... then we are back at playable and not abdominal 😄

dont know about you guys... but thats the most elaborate opener I've seen in a while rn

[gleaming geyser]

Abdominal

[weak kraken]

It's not that big honestly

[royal lantern]

chill, not everyone is native english, typos happen

[gleaming geyser]

Could be auto correct

[red tinsel]

Hmmm alt+m4, never used it, good bind too since I'm getting used to it with Ambush

[gleaming geyser]

Its light hearted

[midnight atlas]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[strange python]

exsg

[red tinsel]

Don't....

Idk why Blizz wouldn't let us have ONE expac where we are good for M+

Revert PB nerf ;-;

Was it really that broken?

[prisma creek]

Honestly... you know the addon "Opie"? I use that for blind / pickpocket / distract / sap on 1 button selectable through movement direction of my mouse... very very nice once one gets used to it

[prisma creek]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[supple snow]

I think the problem with PB was not the DTB build but how it was a good pick in other builds aswell, maybe if they buff DS a bit maybe 25% more crit chance for poisons? which also turns into more energy would be the fix?

helps both aoe and single target, but less accessible for other builds

[strange python]

just nerf the dt build

👍

[midnight atlas]

[weak kraken]

PB is fun because other melee dps jump out the way thinking its a mobs cast.

[prisma creek]

dt? sorry for lack of vocabulary

[strange python]

dtb

two poison meme

[prisma creek]

AH

yas... but I like it... dont nerf things I like 😛

[shy dust]

Hello

I am here

[red tinsel]

Yes! I use it for mounts

or used it

Never thought of using it for abilities

[prisma creek]

I keep this addon for only these 4 abilities... and I hope as long as I play wow I don't have to get used to rebinding those 4... cause... idk... they are on THIS button since... 2015? or something?

they are so hard muscle memory... I get spasms thinking of rebinding them... 😄

[slim hamlet]

Just played sub in m0

Why did I deal 40% extra dps in aoe

[misty hemlock]

Cb sectec combo be doing that

[slim hamlet]

I was suprised of just how much that did

In a huge pull with lots of BP casts

It still was close to BP dmg

Expected it to be muuuuuch less

But fuck me

[weak kraken]

Sub is now a sectech spec.
No more stealth class fantasy, only spooky shadow clone.

[slim hamlet]

At least you arent a gambling drunk pirate

Who is also a druggie

[red tinsel]

I like Outlaw better than Sub, idk, Sub rotation is just too

hectic basic button press

It's somehow more boring than just pressing Blade Flurry

[slim hamlet]

Having to have an extra buttton for gloomblade on sub is ree

[red tinsel]

And it has downtime too! 😠

[red tinsel]

What do you mean?

[slim hamlet]

You have to have an extra button for gloomblade while in stealth

sometimes you want to use gloomblade instead of shadowstrike

which feels really weird

[weak kraken]

Dance macabre is the reason sub uses gloom blade in shadow dance windows. 6% stacking damage per unique CP generator/spender used.

I actually like the idea. But the pay off is small considering. I just enjoy having all three specs feel nice.

[limpid drum]

Subs always been my least favorite playstyle 🤷‍♂️ poisonbois unite.

[ashen warren]

I have gloomblade and dance on same key depending on stance

Saves a keybind

[flint tusk]

Mans here saying sub is more hectic than outlaw.

[red tinsel]

I did not know that

I should learn DF sub

[pure moth]

How updated are these numbers Didnt realize PI had such high value for us, if we werent focusing on haste as much

[weak kraken]

IIRC that was pre nerf. EXS snapshots haste, so PI is huge during those windows with deathsmark.

[strange python]

looked in the Faq, but didnt see what phials were bis for us. anyone got a spot to look?

seena couple that would look good

[weak kraken]

So if I'm correct. PI is still impactful on the opener, and every 3 minutes.

More so then other spec/ classes ? Idk, but try to convince your priest it is.

[true pelican]

those sims were updated yesterday, and those profiles use dtb

[weak kraken]

Oh see. Completely incorrect.

Disregard. ❤️

[torpid wyvern]

Im new to rogue, and wanting to play assass rogue this tier, is there anyone that could help me out?

[true pelican]

although

I think fuu entered the numbers wrong into the spreadsheet

[weak kraken]

Fuu just making us look more attractive to the priests.

Can't be mad at that.

[tacit otter]

have you tried: !guide (?)
or theres the #assassination-faq which helps quite a lot

[torpid wyvern]

I hav enot, ty!

[true pelican]

fuu updated the spreadsheet

[viscid spear]

I'd rather priests not find me attractive

[royal lantern]

just be above 12 man

[vestal wren]

i had a old value on pi that was higher, pi is actually within 4-5%

it is updated now

[strange python]

where can i see that spreadsheet?

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

but i need to re-sim things for the nerf, iirc whispyr did already add a sim for the nerf to his personal sheet
(i also need to wait for a implementatio change to adjust for the subtlety changes in simc)

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

Smart

[lofty bluff]

how do I use SBS?

sorry

faq read

[peak bobcat]

hallelujah

[trim zinc]

dont cap it

[vague coral]

so what are we looking at in stats? whats the focus for pve compared to pvp? or are the stat weights the same. (secondary stats is all i care about. i know ilvl and the other bs of course)

[copper hazel]

#assassination-faq

[smoky phoenix]

omg

80 primal chaos we did it

[vague coral]

thanks thats my fault i somehow missed it before asking

[copper hazel]

np

[devout glen]

is the opener for non exsang in faq valid for the highest simming talents on whispyrs sheet?

[drifting light]

Nope

Those openers are with ss, as far as i know

[devout glen]

yea thats what i figured when trying it

not sure the best optimal rotation for the new talents

for opner

[odd dew]

With Indiscriminate Carnage, if I use an empowered Garrote, does this apply a regular or empowered Garrote to all targets?

[slim hamlet]

empowered

[bitter rock]

Kind of torn between assassination and outlaw for raiding, know it's somewhat encounter dependent but overall what spec is looking for be better for mythic?

[royal lantern]

it REALLY depeens on your team, and honestly also personal preference

[trim zinc]

garrote sbs snd mut mut rupt dm er... (vanish to refresh the 1st garrote)

[slim hamlet]

If you suck ass at outlaw like me sin is better no matter what occasion

[odd dew]

I think Assassination is looking better for raiding? Better single target and when AoE is required Assassination can spec into Indiscriminate Carnage.
I don't think many, if any, boss fights require the consistent AoE that Outlaw shines at, maybe Primal Council.

[trim zinc]

i fell u

feel

[cerulean nest]

I really cant decide lol. I feel basically equally comfortable on all three specs

just want to perform

[royal lantern]

then go warlock

lmao

[cerulean nest]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-about-that-one-chief-minato-jutsu-naruto-shippuden-power-gif-17919644

[jaunty lotus]

Unfortunately bard was an April fools joke

[smoky phoenix]

LOL that gif

Also, is there a crafting disc? trying to find someone capable of an embellished rank 5 dagger craft with the works and trade chat atm doesn't seem to have anyone

[royal lantern]

i mean

nobody can do a guranteed rank5+embellishment lol

thats inspriation fishing

(like all high lvl crafts will be)

[jaunty lotus]

You should be pretty close

[smoky phoenix]

Also, what's the diff betwen the rank 3 enchants and the rank 1 enchants? damage seems the same? is it proc rate increase?

[jaunty lotus]

I can get to 290 skill with rank 2 mats for the daggers and no blue tools, if I upgrade my tools I would be in rank 5 guaranteed with tier 2 mats, maybe tier 3 mata is enough to clear the embellishment

But you can't get the bis embellishment right now

[smoky phoenix]

wym? Is fangs not bis?

[jaunty lotus]

Bis is bronzed wrappings, no?

The recipe drops from the raid

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[smoky phoenix]

Ahh

[jaunty lotus]

Yeah, BIS is bronzed grip wrappings, the recipe only drops from the raid

[smoky phoenix]

Gotcha gotcha

So what's the deal with the enchantment ranks?

[waxen pulsar]

Is there any reason why Exsanguinate does not work when paired with Deathmark? /cast Deathmark, /cast Exsanguinate, in same macro

or am I doing sth wrong?

[royal lantern]

first: you dont want to do that EVER

[wary ice]

Dm is a bleed that will get its duration halved by exsang

[royal lantern]

exsang would cut dm duration in half

and 2nd: both have a gcd, you cant use 2 gcd abilitys togheter

[waxen pulsar]

Oh I see

[royal lantern]

you NEVER use exsang during DM

thats litearlly the worst thing you can do, its a dmg down

[waxen pulsar]

Ah, ty for telling me

didn't know

[topaz bluff]

thankfully embellishments are such low gains if you're on a server that you can't get a dagger etc. you can really just wear whatever; but the cowl.. dont pick the cowl unless you get the raid ring lol.

[royal lantern]

before DM or when DM is over, never during it

[smoky phoenix]

The damage on the rank 3 vs rank 1 enchant seems the same, i am confusion

[jaunty lotus]

I'm working to be able to craft all the daggers in my realm

[royal lantern]

AH tooltips are bugged

[smoky phoenix]

Ah

Tyvm that's all i needed to know

[royal lantern]

never trust wow tooltips

😄

[smoky phoenix]

This has def been a leanring experience lol

[royal lantern]

i remember that 1 trinket from the miniraid in BfA

that had a different number in its item tooltip, the debuff AND the actuall buff itself

never trust ingame tooltips

[jaunty lotus]

It's likely that the damage for an embelishment is the same for all ranks

Because the level change the + recipe difficulty

[smoky phoenix]

@jaunty lotus I seen someone posting il382 draconian axes etc with no spark needed, is that possible for daggers assuming high skill as well?

[swift dagger]

with normal Titan Training Matrix IV u can craft i382 stuff

[jaunty lotus]

Yes, 382 is the top that a titan matrix IV can get

You can get that from end of mythic 0's and sometimes world quests

[smoky phoenix]

ahh okay, i actually have 2 of those

[jaunty lotus]

But it can't be embelished

[smoky phoenix]

So assuming i get this dagger carft done right, i could potentially get a HUGE upgrade

From my current 366/256 setup

356*

and crafting is exclusive so server right? I can't shard to someone else and have them do it?

[jaunty lotus]

Yes, needs to be someone on your realm

[smoky phoenix]

I see i see.

[jaunty lotus]

I would recommend finding someone first as there's no way to guarantee a given level on a public order

[smoky phoenix]

Yeah, that's what i was thinkin

I'm on stormrage as ally which i feel like is pretty popular, it shouldn't be TOO hard to find someone, i'd imagine

[jaunty lotus]

I can craft it for you then

I'm Aikurou in Stormrage, I can guarantee a rank 5 382 dagger

[smoky phoenix]

😮

[jaunty lotus]

Can also add the thing to specify the secondaries if you want

[smoky phoenix]

Wanna give this embelish dagger a shot too? i've got rank 3 fang, crim/mastery miss, rank 3 alloys

Also have the matrix for the drac dagger

[jaunty lotus]

Also only need tier 2 mats, no tier 3

You can't embelish this one

Doesn't have an embelishment slot, only the ones that need the spark

[oblique jackal]

i can make the dagger

[smoky phoenix]

nah i mena for the sparked one

Either or doesn't matter to me @oblique jackal Im just not loaded so i was going with best statistical odds

So whatever works 😄

I'll be back here in about, 45 mins or so, got some stuff to take care of rq

[jaunty lotus]

Hm, here's what I can get for you

That's with rank 2 alloy

So likeky at least tier 4

[smoky phoenix]

That's without emblish/missive as well right?

so in theory it should be lower odds for a rank 5?

idk how the math works with rank 3 allys tho

[jaunty lotus]

Missive + embelishment adds + 40

I don't know how much the rank 5 alloys would add

Over the rank 2 I have

[smoky phoenix]

Hmm, well, i got the rank 3's so, might as well use them for better hypothetical odds ig

kk brb 45 ish

and then we get this bread

[jaunty lotus]

You can make the craft order for me and I'll let you know what I can guarantee, then you decide

[smoky phoenix]

Sounds good to me, i seriously super appreciate your time and replies

being new to this is pretty daunting sometimes and asking dumb questions y'all never judge or make me feel stupid or condescend

[jaunty lotus]

No worries

[smoky phoenix]

Really shows a lot about character of this chan/playerbase

So thank you so much

[thorn crater]

Btw do we know why small weapons allows dagger and fist crafts but there is no fist craft? :p

[waxen pulsar]

So, any pvp connoisseurs here can tell me which build is " better " rn for pvp? Between kb and dtb one

[marble hemlock]

#pvp

[pseudo hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[icy cliff]

is wf any good for rogue

[sturdy light]

so with the nerf to poison bomb is the kingsbane/IC spec marginally stronger?

[slim hamlet]

Better than before

compared

But I believe it already was better

[sturdy light]

it was very similar before but i feel with that nerf it prob just gained a pretty big lead

[pseudo hamlet]

So, we're not using SBS and Exang with DTB M+ build? Awesum

And we still use CT in ST, yeah?

[solid mica]

Faq

[pseudo hamlet]

So no CT on single target, only on +2.

[smoky phoenix]

kk back @jaunty lotus You around?

[jaunty lotus]

Yes

[smoky phoenix]

sick, lets see what we can get with daggers ya?

[jaunty lotus]

Yeah, send you a DM

[tulip kernel]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[tulip kernel]

do i use amplifying or deadly with the kingsbane build?

[mental igloo]

has Blizz said anything about the embellishment issue?

guessing no lawl

[gloomy knoll]

Can open up the sims to check talents I’d assume

[mental igloo]

got a 372 dagg to pair with a 369 but would rather not take a 346 necklace to raid week 1 so thinking of crafting neck

[balmy condor]

If you take amp you use amp

[tulip kernel]

tyty - and im assuming it depends on fight length but do i hold 2nd deathmark to line up with exsang? for instance on a fight where i can only get two uses out of it?

[fast nacelle]

@balmy condor any chance you could explain why we use rupture before bonespikes?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019199475421552651/1046273672937230466/unknown.png

[subtle tundra]

you use er

[fast nacelle]

using bonsespikes before applys the dot 1 gcd earlier also we do have one more tick of rupture for exang

[subtle tundra]

am not smart

[fast nacelle]

do you mind explaining?

[subtle tundra]

no cause i dont know

i think its whatever

like barely matters

[fast nacelle]

i always ended up on a anima charged cp either way

also it uses vanish later in sims (after it expires) - but i think thats cause it maybe deals with 45s cd rather than 3 min on exang

[slim hamlet]

Not syncing cds is a tiny bit better dps

[fast nacelle]

ah i see

[slim hamlet]

but giga shit if you dont have full uptime

[slim hamlet]

at least that was how it was in prepatch sims

[keen mantle]

why is deathmark down there

[balmy condor]

Simmed slightly better

[keen mantle]

on my damage distrubution?

should it be higher?

[slim hamlet]

cuz dm dont do dmg

it makesd other shit do dmg

[keen mantle]

ok

got it

thanks

i just noticed on the sims

[slim hamlet]

the dm dot it self is quite small

[keen mantle]

deathmark dmg is insane

[fast nacelle]

okay so it doesnt really matter huh?
i dont understand how it sims better if you dont lose pandemic but w/e

i rather delay rupture 1 gcd to have more ticks in exang

[balmy condor]

Sims combine duplications, details doesn’t

[balmy condor]

Yeah openers are giga whatever

[keen mantle]

aight . Thanks a lot .

[slim hamlet]

No

[thorn crater]

u are talking about 1 TICK of rupture

[slim hamlet]

Openers is the best form of discussion

[thorn crater]

what are u

[balmy condor]

I only simmed openers cause people wouldn’t shut the fuck up about it

[thorn crater]

what?

[slim hamlet]

Besides exsang

[thorn crater]

thanks bruh 😛

[balmy condor]

Not you

[slim hamlet]

Can you re-sim openers after the changes whispyr?

[thorn crater]

leave him alone

he has enough despairge

[slim hamlet]

there might be something different

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[slim hamlet]

🤓

[thorn crater]

i mean no real difference

exsang synced with dm again on 6 minutes

[fast nacelle]

its not about the tick of rupture - just to understand why you wouldnt do the "most logical" opener

[thorn crater]

same thing still happens

[slim hamlet]

This was supposed to give the sarcasm away

[fast nacelle]

wanted to know if theres some twist behind it

[thorn crater]

the reason u use it there is to guarantee landing on empowered CP for ur first envenom

if u use it before the CP gets used by rupture

and frankly it is 1 second on an empowered rupture so its basically zilch dmg what ure losing

otherwise u risk getting a shitty 3 CP envenom that fucks ur everything u have planned to do during DM

[limber lion]

There you go.

[thorn crater]

thats even further behind

[fast nacelle]

thats the opener i would have done yeah

[limber lion]

Very minimal in the grand scheme of things and more often than not we don't consider adding 0.1% stuff because it's marginal

But yeah it makes sense to do that and technically is very very slightly better, so go for it.

[thorn crater]

u still risk getting stuck on the 2 CP non empowered envenom

[limber lion]

what are you talking about

[fast nacelle]

in my head i was just thrilled about losing a tick of exang since.. its a 3 cd and i didnt want to learn it wrong thats why i asked

thanks for clarification

[thorn crater]

u use ER rupture

[limber lion]

Yes

[thorn crater]

if it doesnt crit, the 2 is out

[limber lion]

what are you talking about

LMAO

ER always grants 2 cp my guy

It's not 1-2

It's 2-3

[thorn crater]

yes

thats what i said

[limber lion]

?

[thorn crater]

IF it doesnt crit, the 2 empowered CP is used

[subtle tundra]

why does that matter
you sbs vanish garrote

which is 4+

guaranteed

[limber lion]

Yes?

Which is what you do 100% of the time every time

[thorn crater]

he moved the sbs before the ER

[subtle tundra]

you still vanish garrote

3

[thorn crater]

and then what

[limber lion]

You're crazy

[thorn crater]

exsang DM

and after that?

[subtle tundra]

vanish garrote exsang dm gives 5 cp

idk if its in the sim tho

[thorn crater]

how does it give 5?!

ure at 3

[subtle tundra]

dm in ss gives 2 cp

dont ask why

[thorn crater]

wait what? ye thats something i havent seen

[limber lion]

Because it applies a second garrote which procs the Shrouded Suffocation talent

[thorn crater]

was that there in the beta?

[limber lion]

Yes

[tulip kernel]

is there an opener for DTB build with no KB? or is it just the same minus the DB

oh im blind scratch that

is there a reason we dont ER the rupture in that opener tho? Sorry if these are stupid questions - still kinda new to assass in DF

[limber lion]

You only do that if you play Exsanguinate

Which you probs don't do with DTB

[tulip kernel]

so ruptures arent worth using the ER points for without exsang? just use on env?

[limber lion]

They are worth if the Rupture is in pandemic. You just follow normal finisher rules for it,.

You don't forcefully overwrite bleeds without Exsang though

[tulip kernel]

oh ok cool ty for info

[green harbor]

i see the fun build only got even more fun with the exsang nerf

[vivid stream]

What item should I use first spark to make

[split eagle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gusty mirage]

@dark token remember when you tried shaming me for putting a sophic devotion on my dagger?

stays on recrafts

[nocturne current]

damn son

expensive dagger, and still has cosmic potions in bag, what a chad

[vestal wren]

4 quality icon looks so nice

[limber lion]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[flint ridge]

With poison bomb nerfs are we looking at the kings bane ST build as the way better choice atm?

[dawn kelp]

How does the recraft work?

[lament meadow]

Man blizzard just keeps nerfing assassin its crazy

[flint ridge]

Why? Its OP.

[balmy condor]

No

[earnest imp]

So anyone else get destelthed all the time in Brackenhide hollow?

[lament meadow]

Not really rogues are going to be behind every spec in raids

[balmy condor]

Everyone does

[balmy condor]

According to what metric

[lament meadow]

Every sim I've seen

[balmy condor]

You’ve seen some whack sims then

[cursive igloo]

we are literally middle of he pack last updated one

and by that upper

[balmy condor]

We’re still way above

Like a solid 5% over an average spec

[brazen zodiac]

whisp u big into the crafting system yeah? have u had any issues where your lesser insights arent applying its additional skill?

[balmy condor]

I Just do alchemy idk what those are

[brazen zodiac]

hm maybe they're specific to LW then sorry

[balmy condor]

I don’t think they are

I’ve seen them

[brazen zodiac]

ah okay

[balmy condor]

But idk what they’re for

[brazen zodiac]

they just add recipe difficulty

for finishing reagent

like +30

[balmy condor]

I see

[weak horizon]

Why did they do this to us QQ

thanks for the pin with your summary whispyr

[lament meadow]

Yep blizzard basically removed 2 of our talents

[subtle tundra]

wat

[brazen zodiac]

sup varas

[subtle tundra]

idk reading cooked takes

[swift dagger]

10 more hours for 25 renown, do I just push through guys or is it time to turn back now

[velvet bridge]

just staph

[brazen zodiac]

if u dont read it u feel better

[weak horizon]

idk why they're focusing sin rogue right now, seems kinda weird

or rather why they nerfed us again after exsang

[cerulean walrus]

Spec channels always fried

[nocturne current]

But what focus lol, they changed a talent that should never have ever happened in the first place, the other change is meaningless.

Or what, you want to have a 6% of ur DPS in the middle of the tree

What logic is that

[balmy condor]

[humble ginkgo]

[cerulean walrus]

[rancid nimbus]

Thy for the pin @balmy condor!!!!

[spice spire]

Skip just like me rn

[cerulean walrus]

You wanna…. Hang out?

[spice spire]

Yes man

[humble ginkgo]

I agree, they are nerfing it way too much it wasnt even that good.. Idk seems like they have a problem with us assassination players 🤷🤷🤷🤷

[subtle tundra]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

Factual statement

everyone knows blizzard hate their players

[brazen zodiac]

any blacksmithers in the chat?

[humble ginkgo]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

Hello

[humble ginkgo]

I am

[spice spire]

Bleeding hollow stinky

[lament meadow]

As a blacksmith do you make most of your $$$ through work orders?

[cerulean walrus]

More like hollow inside…. Haha..

[slim hamlet]

Basically all, but there aint no orders yet

Next week tho

[brazen zodiac]

are you able to craft rank 4/5 LW tools?

[lament meadow]

I see. Blacksmithing/leatherworking looks like fun but I've always been a alchemist/JC

[brazen zodiac]

LW is pretty fun and the skinning skill tree is kinda fun too

so it pairs nicely.

[slim hamlet]

I can make rank 4 with some tier 3 ores

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I like JC and BS most

Enchanting and alch is also fun

[slim hamlet]

This being only the knife

[lament meadow]

I really dislike alch this expansion lol

[slim hamlet]

The no grace perios booms are cringe

[lament meadow]

I get nervous every time I experiment

[slim hamlet]

But it's different

i like that

[copper hazel]

its fucking stupid

4hr lockout to progress your profession

fuck that

[slim hamlet]

also almost at renown for all the recipes for BS and JC

Can't wait

[slim hamlet]

4 hour is too much

but worst part is no grace period

fuck that shit

[copper hazel]

exactly

[brazen zodiac]

what do you mean by this?

what's locked out for you?

[lament meadow]

Damn thats crazy I'

m only at 7 tuskar

[slim hamlet]

I've done every single quest in dragonflight twice

No key farm or dirt farm

Farmed grand hunt for like half a renown tho

[flint ridge]

what does level of sophic devotion does? in tooltip they do the same procs. Do they have different proc rates?

[slim hamlet]

tooltip is bugged for all enchants

they only show what tier 1 would be

[flint ridge]

then i should be prepared to spend 140 k on my daggesr then 😦

[slim hamlet]

if you want that .1% extra dps ye

(probably more than that but you know)

[swift dagger]

How many renown do u think quests can get you for stuff like Maruuk Centaur? Getting a lil tired of grand hunt spam

[slim hamlet]

like 11-12

From 1

actually probably only like 9-10

[swift dagger]

Hmm okay so after campaign its probably around 6 from sidequests

cuz I skipped every side and I was like 3 or 4 after campaign

[slim hamlet]

My rogue has maruuk 11 with only loremaster and 2x of the biweekly hunt thingies

[royal lantern]

hahahahhahahahahahhaa

no

you make 0 money cus nobody does orders

[slim hamlet]

next week

[royal lantern]

maybe

i hope

[slim hamlet]

You dont make any money outside of work orders

like legit 0

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

what are you selling whetstones?

[lament meadow]

Thats why I stick to consumable professions

[royal lantern]

not worth it until you skilled the whetstone tree+have multicraft gear lol

[slim hamlet]

Legit the worst consumable

[swift dagger]

is it possible to guarantee 392 with embellishment+missive first craft? Just wanna know if this rando is tryna scam me

[copper hazel]

levlling my alchemy to max level. ive been hard stuck at 95/100 for 3 days due to experiments blowing up back to back to back to back

[lament meadow]

I've been making bank crafting tier 3 medallions for JC

[royal lantern]

not possible, inspiration fishing

[slim hamlet]

I have some of it, and it's still not even close to being worth

[swift dagger]

These dirty randos.... tryna scam u for 20k

[royal lantern]

why

what is scam there

[swift dagger]

He said he guarantees first craft

[royal lantern]

you legit CANT have a 100%chance for t5

its not possible

its inspiriation fishing

[swift dagger]

Yes I am aware

but problem is he is selling a service that he cant provide and asks money for it

[marble hemlock]

Might be possible with illu insight but it'd be a massive waste

[lament meadow]

I'm worried later in the expansion artisan's mettle will be scarce

Just getting the profession equipment is 225

[royal lantern]

eh, maybe if you maxed out EVERYTHING, but i doubt somone has that now tbh

[marble hemlock]

So he will likely ask a huge price since it'll cost him 50 mettle

[slim hamlet]

Actually not true

U can t5 100%

[marble hemlock]

392 is 340 skill, that's doable

[slim hamlet]

If I didnt fuck up and waste points in speciality I would be able to

[swift dagger]

tbh I could always do minimum tier 5 so he either does it or cant fulfill the order

right?

[slim hamlet]

Yeah but for some insane reason, you cant do that with public orders

because that would make sence

[swift dagger]

but with private order

[slim hamlet]

ye

This tree is underrated btw

Insane

[royal lantern]

only underated if you dont know how profs work

[slim hamlet]

Dont know what you mean by that

If yyou see it as underrated if you dont know

or people that dont know underrate it

[marble hemlock]

Well tbf there's a lot of people who haven't taken it for more than the +30 skill

So underrated might be true ^^

[slim hamlet]

Meanwhile I did this dumbass shit

Fire me please

[royal lantern]

i didnt finish it yet cus i lack knowledge

🙂

[deep quartz]

You is assassin the best spec rn?

[royal lantern]

always has been

[slim hamlet]

I am assassin best spec