assassination

[oblique tangle]

Is it even worth it to use spark on weapon

[haughty flicker]

Blizzmove lets you move the bag around

[oblique tangle]

I guess, for stats

But overall at that point though VoI gear will be on-par with crafting right?

[balmy condor]

Guess we’ll find out after they finish hotfixing all the embellishments

[oblique tangle]

Oh?

What hotfixing is happening

[balmy condor]

Tuning

[oblique tangle]

Oh good cowl is gonna become goated

Fingers crossed because it would honestly be good for m+ if it got an aoe buff

That 2 set leatherworking shit looks good but also it's like...

[topaz bluff]

Or just let us apply them to weapons. Without a way to embellish the dagger might as well just farm fenrir on M+ lol

[oblique tangle]

Good for how long

[oblique tangle]

You can embellish daggers with fang adornments or bronzed wrappings

[topaz bluff]

Not at the moment, only with the initial craft

[oblique tangle]

What'chu talkin' 'bout; Willis

Ah

OK that makes more sense

I was like

?????

So they're lost on recruiting entirely? I thought you'd at least be able to re-apply them

Can you recruit a piece of gear from a different profession through a crafting order? I've never tried it yet

[narrow adder]

I saw that while googling. I'll download it later. Seems like an oversight but w/e

[topaz bluff]

You can't change to wraps unless you re-make the dagger with a new spark

[oblique tangle]

Ah

Yes

[topaz bluff]

If you didn't add fang on your initial craft, you can't do that as well

[oblique tangle]

Yeah you'd want to get wraps after the pattern drops and apply it then

I haven't made my dagger yet

I've been waiting for wraps

[trim dirge]

that is definitely a bug though

[oblique tangle]

Seems like it should be a bug though yeah

[obtuse latch]

So whats the deal with embellishments rn is it worth crafting and can they be upgraded or are they bugged etc.

[trim dirge]

scroll up

[vestal wren]

i got the pet already, waiting for my mount now

[topaz bluff]

You can upgrade the ilvl of the crafts, you cannot add or change embellishments after the initial craft. If you didn't select one on the initial craft that dagger can't have one added period until it gets fixed.

If you put fangs in it now, you cannot change to wraps later. Until the bug is fixed.

[oblique tangle]

The what now

[narrow adder]

Can you cage the hatchling?

[vestal wren]

no idea

[topaz bluff]

Pfft mounts that can't dragonride are dead to me. ;P

[narrow adder]

You only take summons to Uld?

[spice spire]

See you in two years

[rain oyster]

[tacit oar]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[rain oyster]

Honestly if they scrap dragon riding, huge L

Biggest L tbh with how everyone likes it

[topaz bluff]

Honestly, yep so far. 😂

I'd make that flight from Stormwind though if I had to.

I'll cry if dragon riding leaves lol

[thorn fjord]

I still rather fly normally

[rain oyster]

Flying to uldaman in season 2 😒

[tame slate]

The hole they have dug is that this is the first time we basically have flying from the start

[narrow adder]

Right? How am I supposed to flex with my ground mounts 😦

[tame slate]

Idk if they'll expand dragonriding to a global scope but I am not holding my breath

[narrow adder]

Either all mounts will have to have it, or none would if it went "global" in my mind

[rain oyster]

Give old zones dragon races

Big w

Vashjir dragon race

[cursive igloo]

they already said last i read there is plans

[topaz bluff]

Will be hard without a cata style rework. The skyboxes are misaligned up there. Just try soaring off mount Hyjal towards ashenvale.

[tame slate]

I had not seen that info, but thanks for correcting me. I guess I had little faith in Blizz haha

[thorn crater]

do we know when the tuning will happen or just estimates?

[cursive igloo]

they want all teh mounts to remain viable so will just have to see how they "adapt" it

[spare bobcat]

" This is literally the best nerf we could have hoped for, quit crying" Hell no. Outlaw isn't far from ass single target and way outperforms it in multitarget/M+. I don't understand why so many people feel that ass shouldn't outperform the other specs by quite a bit when it falls behind in AOE/multitarget by so much.

[oak sky]

did you read the pin it said quit crying

[spare bobcat]

Yeah I read the pin that was crying about people crying

[oak sky]

no but really we were like 10% ahead of all other specs

there was a 100% chance of a nerf

[spare bobcat]

And what % are we behind in sustained aoe damage?

[oak sky]

exsang isnt an aoe ability

[night delta]

middle of the pack actually

not lame ass last

[oak sky]

the nerf actually only targeted an extremely polarizing, highly over represented and overpowered talent point

[spare bobcat]

So compared to outlaw, does that make sense?

[strange python]

do i trust assa faq or wowhead

the m+ builds are different

[oak sky]

faq is more updated

[balmy condor]

FaQ is quicker to update

Because ya know

[spice spire]

Wowhead takes more time to update

Fuck

God dammit

[balmy condor]

It’s a message board

And not a full guide

[oak sky]

[strange python]

ty

[spare bobcat]

Maybe it did, but it also eliminated any chance of playing anything other than outlaw. So I guess I'm just gonna have to be salty about it.

[oak sky]

how

what

[night delta]

???

[balmy condor]

Okay see ya then

[night delta]

we still ahead on ST

[oak sky]

delusional

[night delta]

plenty of need for ST

[spare bobcat]

By a little bit

Not a lot, just a little. There are no patchwork fights in the new raid that I'm aware of

[oak sky]

we also have execute

[balmy condor]

We can’t Aoe pad

It’s over

[night delta]

Terrok not a thing ?

[oak sky]

you dont need a patchwerk fight to be valuable

soulrender was a huge aoe fight

but you needed st blasters to kill the boss

[balmy condor]

Doomed spec honestly without the ability to kill the adds that die in 5 seconds in 4.8 instead

[marsh wharf]

Assassin makes up aoe time with utilities and boss kill speed, it evens out, I don't see the problem

[oak sky]

like there will definitely be fights where outlaw is better but its actually just ignorant to assume sin isn't going to be better on probably half the fights at least

[candid quarry]

What phial is our go to?

[balmy condor]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

Comparisons there

[night delta]

oh, and also, if one's not a RWF gamer

the differences are mostly irrelevant

because it IS that close

[spice spire]

My damage

[marsh wharf]

@balmy condor petition to make a mutilate only build

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I have probably 25 other things that are more important

[oak sky]

play no seal fate

make a cast sequence macro play the spec for you

[marsh wharf]

Ok but remember how badly you just cut my heart out whispyr

[simple ore]

like gearing up outlaw?

[balmy condor]

A true sigma doesn’t make decisions based on the emotions of others

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Yeah 100%

[oak sky]

be the mutilate only build you want to see in the world

[balmy condor]

It’s got more cleave

I HAVE TO play it

[simple ore]

knew it, I knew the weapon world quest wasn't an accident

[balmy condor]

All calculated

[marsh wharf]

I'm gonna spam mutilate and poison bomb and I'm gonna pump, you'll all see 🤡

[spice spire]

S2g if I get another Wq with an outlaw weapon

[spare bobcat]

I just can't understand how this community is so accepting of the exsang nerf...You shall see shortly just how far we can go with ST damage. Like a beastmaster hunter in S3.

[balmy condor]

Cope

[oak sky]

larping are we

[spare bobcat]

Care

[spice spire]

Yeah the numbers really reflect that GIGA nerf. So far behind

[simple ore]

the community is accepting of the nerf because being like 7+% ahead of everyone isn't reasonable

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[night delta]

omg 6% nerf of a 10% ahead spec

[marsh wharf]

@spare bobcat the specs are close enough in performance that you should play the spec you want, I don't see the problem

[night delta]

such unfair

[oak sky]

fuckexsangfuckexsangfuckexsangfuckexsang

[spare bobcat]

Putting a lot of trust into sims

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I refuse to believe you’re a real person

[oak sky]

🌿

[night delta]

You mean sims that say the simplest build (and therefore easiest to get close to sim) is best ?

[oak sky]

embrace feelings

[balmy condor]

If you want to doubt sims, the warlock discord is in #rules-and-guides

[night delta]

yeah

[spare bobcat]

Because real people play 100% perfect like the sims

[oak sky]

reject sims

[night delta]

I trust

[oak sky]

guess what that applies to every class and every build

which means

[balmy condor]

I don’t think you understand how sims work enough to know what “100% perfect” means

[marsh wharf]

@balmy condor I asked you the other day on stream if you're gonna stream mythic plus on day 1 but I don't think you saw it

[oak sky]

relatively speaking

the sims work!

[marsh wharf]

Any plans to stream?

[balmy condor]

I’m going to try to!

[marsh wharf]

Heck yea

[spare bobcat]

The sims work in the same way things done in a vacuum in a lab work.

[night delta]

oh gee

[oak sky]

theres no air resistance in wow b ro

[simple ore]

so m+ next saturday then? Kappa

[night delta]

vaccines actually don't work

[oak sky]

wow is the vacuum

[night delta]

in reality

only in lab

[balmy condor]

Oh so you’re actually just clueless got it

[marsh wharf]

People have proven time and time again how accurate sims are

[balmy condor]

I guess you would’ve preferred a 7% aura nerf over an exsang nerf

That’s fair

[marsh wharf]

What are you even talking aboit

[balmy condor]

Make our aoe Even worse

[urban mantle]

Kingsbane or Dragon build for Raids?

[marsh wharf]

Manic is trolling there's no way

[balmy condor]

FaQ talks about the differences

[marsh wharf]

Aintnowaybruh

[urban mantle]

. Thanks

[coral rivet]

we should use sargeras sword for mutilate

[spare bobcat]

I'm sure you can write some great code and theory craft. But I'm not going to sit here and listen to some nerd pretend like classes suffer different levels of loss from having to do mechanics. Losses that vary and so their actual performance will also vary from what is simulated.

[marsh wharf]

So leave

Bye

[night delta]

"some nerd"

[balmy condor]

Who said anything otherwise?

[simple ore]

ha whispyr is a NERD

[balmy condor]

You’re fighting demons man

They’re in your head

[marble hemlock]

theres demons in my head?

[balmy condor]

No there’s plenty in his though

[marble hemlock]

do i just drill a hole so they can get out?

[spare bobcat]

Whispyr — Today at 3:44 PM
I don’t think you understand how sims work enough to know what “100% perfect” means

[marsh wharf]

Wait so if the Sims are wrong there is time to make a mutilate build whispyr

[balmy condor]

Yeah, and you’ve done nothing but reinforce that

[night delta]

this guy knows priorities

[spare bobcat]

You haven't agreed that people won't get the same DPS as the sim either...So here we are.

[marsh wharf]

I'll send you my findings and testings on playingwithoutaddonsbasedonfeelings.com

I bet mutilate outperforms all of your builds based on feeling

[spare bobcat]

Send me your post raid reflection journal after it's over.

[marsh wharf]

I will

[red bloom]

fuck the sims, just RP in raid

[night delta]

yes, sims are actually completely useless. That's why everyone keeps doing them

we live in a fantasy world

[rain oyster]

I spam one point crimson tempests

[marble hemlock]

How about you go doom somewhere else? If you think it's fine disagreeing with, like, basically every knowledgeable person in this discord on whether or not the nerf is a massive deal or pretty much what was expected and shouldve happened, you're free to do so.

But how about you stop being insulting when doing so? Or, ya know, just stop altogether? It's not like you'll convince anyone that your opinion is right and 50+ other people (who all raid at high levels) are wrong.

[spare bobcat]

Who said that?

[rain oyster]

BIG DAM

[balmy condor]

Okay putting aside that you can definitely hit simdps on a dummy

you come in here, start by saying exsang nerf isn’t warranted when it clearly was, shitting on the pins for saying that this was the best outcome. Then you shit on sims, then you shit on me for telling you that you’re probably not seeing the full picture because you clearly don’t understand how sims work. What’s the end game here

[median beacon]

!fuu

[balmy condor]

Are you trying to convince anyone of anything

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[marble hemlock]

The endgame is that I mute him

If this shit keeps going

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

Well at least let him answer that one first

[oak sky]

maybe we have him !mr in off topic

[marble hemlock]

Fuck me I dont understand how you have the patience for this

[tame slate]

[oak sky]

maybe we rig the command

[balmy condor]

It’s interesting to me how people can think the way they do

[marble hemlock]

Fair.

[median beacon]

bro whyspyr could lead us all to the water

but he cant make us drink

ya know

[topaz bluff]

God amongst men

[balmy condor]

You can’t make an omelette without cracking a few eggs

[oak sky]

no this is just the willpower he saves up from roasting everyone with a wrong opinion

he allows one to stay

[marble hemlock]

@spare bobcat If you have nothing valuable to add to the discussion other than "this sucks", "that sucks", "youre all wrong (without providing any evidence as to why) and trying to pretend like the spec is doomed... Go do it somewhere else. We don't want that here.

Disagreeing with findings or sims or individuals is something we greatly encourage, but it has to be done in a healthy way. Your's isnt.

[spare bobcat]

My hope is that I don't know..Maybe y'all would put up a little more resistance to the nerf. But I see that you're somehow still happy with it so it's a moot point.

[marble hemlock]

The reason no one put up a resistance is because it was warranted.

[marsh wharf]

ah, seliathan is here, finally we can have a decent conversation about why mutilate is the superior build, with feint spam for damage reduction

[marble hemlock]

It's that fucking simple

[balmy condor]

Okay so what would you have preferred then to the nerf

[marble hemlock]

it is the ideal nerf that fixes all the pain points the spec had.

[tame slate]

Blizzard has feedback forums

[balmy condor]

Given that it was inevitable with how strong we were, was there a better solution than nerfing the talent that was stronger than our capstones?

[spare bobcat]

Something WAY less heavy handed. Minor incremental tuning.

[spice spire]

Not all - but it definitely was a nerf that solved a few

[topaz bluff]

Why it's a clunky design for most of the player base, we do fine without it, and they are going to rework the ability and probably make it better.

We were going to take a nerf either way. This was the best way period. That's the point.

[spice spire]

Okay but if boomkins are 20% ahead of the “middle of the pack” you’d expect a nerf wouldn’t you?

[marble hemlock]

1. No ST-spec flexibility cuz Assa does way too much st? Nerf its st!
2. No talent flexibility as Exsang was better than even our capstones? Nerf Exsang!
3. A majority of people dont like/enjoy playing exsang? Nerf Exsang!
4. People still enjoy lining up cooldowns and big burst in opener? Cool, you can still do that, just less frequently!

[night delta]

Minor incremental tuning would've gotten us still way too much ahead, and wouldn't have fixed the glaring issue of how exsang played

[balmy condor]

How would that fix the issue of exsang being almost a 10% talent in a field of 2%

[rain oyster]

It’s getting hot in here, imma open a window

[spare bobcat]

Why was it ever decided that was something that needed fixed? Is there no other talent in any other class/spec that would provide that much?

[trim zinc]

we still better on ST anyway
and exng was the problem so whats the point?

[marsh wharf]

imo they should nerf garrote and rupture damage by like 1-2% and buff crimson tempest by about 5%

[marble hemlock]

So it was a nerf that brings our ST back in line, manages to still retain cd stacking, barely touching our opener DPS, and provides more flexibility for both spec diversity and the opportunity to play different talents entirely.

What exactly is the problem with it, other than "muh nerfs"?

[night delta]

it was stronger than capstones while being off the main path, and the optimal play for it was counterintuitive to its design

[oak sky]

rupture already kinda tickles

[marsh wharf]

yea but it mainly is for energy regen agreon

[night delta]

to be plain : it was completely wack as far as balance go

[marsh wharf]

i want more aoe on crimson

[marble hemlock]

Because while I know you'd like to be OP and better than everyone else simply by class/spec choice, most of us arent, and it isnt healthy for the game. Because if you start that line of thinking, why doesnt every class just do it like that?

The answer is: Because its stupid.

[spare bobcat]

I don't disagree with it being stronger than the capstones, but many classes have shit capstones that aren't great.

[balmy condor]

Because talents have tuning targets from blizzards end. They don’t just slap talents onto a tree and call it a day. There’s ranges for what’s acceptable. Capstones are allowed to be stronger for example. Exsang is a middle tier talent that was stronger than those capstones and so blizzard saw it as necessary to bring it in line to where the target is. That’s just how game balancing works

[marsh wharf]

but the problem if they buff crimson is we face a spot where it might be good to use it on single target

[night delta]

sounds like a them problem

[marsh wharf]

and i didn't like that in... bfa? was it?

[night delta]

each class has its designer for a good reason

[oak sky]

then many classes might need stronger capstones

[topaz bluff]

Move the upcoming reworked Ex to capstone and swap it with IC so we get at least one aoe option on the right side of the tree plz

[marsh wharf]

yea true

that's a good option too

warrior has the whirlwind shit on the right side pretty early on

it would make sense to have more aoe earlier on

[tame slate]

Wouldn't exsang get more powerful as time goes on as well? So better to nip it in the bud now instead of potentially crutching on it later?

[marsh wharf]

tbh i just hate having to take exsang to get iron wire

that's my biggest gripe of all

[balmy condor]

What

[night delta]

MA is pretty close in dslice, no ?

[marsh wharf]

@tame slate it only increases your damage that you're already doing it is based on percentage

[tame slate]

I am asking if exsang would be affected as we get more ilvl and stuff but shadeflayer answered it

[balmy condor]

Do we have to do the scaling talk again

[random fossil]

Yes pls

[oak sky]

i mean we can still spread dots in aoe without ic, its a cd that lets us spread much faster

getting ct early is much more important since its our actual aoe spender

which is already the case

[marsh wharf]

if crimson tempest could proc poison bomb i'd go dragon tempered

mmmm

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-17449734

[spice spire]

Wyrmcrest accord buddy

[marble hemlock]

The absolute asinine thing is that people are making dumbass statements like "this wasnt justified" or "this is totally the wrong approach", when the recent months have had us have the team-lead for the class design be active on discord, and discussing changes and nerfs and buffs with the community. As a result we've probably had the best buffs and nerfs to bring our class out of the gutter that it was in after the aura-reset.

If these nerfs/buffs are unjustified, then idk how else youd nerf other than putting up two dartboards, writing some abilities and numbers on each of them, and have people in the office throw darts at them.

[rain oyster]

I miss when rupture proccd bomb in legion

[oak sky]

well it got a higher proc rate out of losing rupture so

[marsh wharf]

yea me too

true

it's 50% now instead of 20

[topaz bluff]

Yeah, IC into IW seems like a good fit too.

[copper gyro]

what are the sim settings to properly sim dungeon cleave for assa?

[plush oasis]

🍿

[oak sky]

dungeonslice for dungeons

[tame slate]

Regardless I'm just happy we are trying to get away from the old talent trees and something different is being attempted

[glass gyro]

So I’m 370 and doing 25k on single target dummy, is that super low or what’s normal for that ilvl

[marsh wharf]

dungeonslice

[copper gyro]

okidoki

[simple ore]

sim with target dummy instead of patchwerk

[marsh wharf]

i think alyx meant in game

[spice spire]

That seems low

[simple ore]

yes, that'll show them what they should be doing

[spice spire]

Also depends on time on dummy etc

[marsh wharf]

oh i see what you're saying cee

[spice spire]

But 25k seems low

I could be lit tho

[oak sky]

no execute on dummies

[glass gyro]

It’s 25k sustained, burst is like 35-40

[marsh wharf]

that's not bad as far as i know

on a dummy

with no execute

[oak sky]

main thing is to sim and try to target close to that number

if you're in that rough range it should be fine

[copper gyro]

im new to the class and im doing roughly the same numbers on a dummy, do with that info as you want 😉

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Pvags42WhAG2w69vEfbt4

[oak sky]

its never going to be exactly what the sim says because of variance and stuff like that

[spice spire]

I’m not much higher ilvl than you, so it should be a bit higher I think

[marsh wharf]

what is your opener alyx, are you doing the standard opener

cause that makes a huge difference

[glass gyro]

Lol I just stayed playin sin today so that’s probably part of it

[spice spire]

Ofc. Practice makes perfect!

[marsh wharf]

@glass gyro are you playing kingsbane

[glass gyro]

No I read that dragon and kings are similar

[marsh wharf]

kingsbane has a higher single target

[spice spire]

They are later, and probably still now.

[simple ore]

no

[spice spire]

It does not

[simple ore]

DTB is higher ST now

[marsh wharf]

doesn't it?

oh

[spice spire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[spice spire]

No Exsang either

Whispyr been wildin

Granted, this is with full BiS, and our tier has to do with it

[topaz bluff]

Sims aren't accurate confirmed let's continue this debate.

[spice spire]

Always best to sim what’s best etc etc

[plush oasis]

Best way to use the damnable puzzle box? The cast hurts my feelings.

[spice spire]

[simple ore]

unequip it

[oak sky]

prepull then before cds

[marsh wharf]

@simple ore i can't help but notice your name is yellow, can i interest you in this ability called mutilate

[plush oasis]

That's what I've been doing so far.

[narrow adder]

Did they make it pull us out of stealth last night / this morning?

[simple ore]

I'm assassin in stealth, use detection and you'll see

[plush oasis]

It doesn’t break stealth.

[simple ore]

it does break stealth

[narrow adder]

It pulled me out at the target dummy this afternoon both times I was using it

[marsh wharf]

hmmm

have you tried pickpocketing the target dummy first

[plush oasis]

Maybe it's because I was using it in a different spec?

[narrow adder]

Sounds like I should.

[topaz bluff]

REAL rogues can stealth in brackenden hollow.

[plush oasis]

Or maybe something broke since then idk

[narrow adder]

I have had no problems as outlaw in dungeons , was going to practice sin for bosses and that's when I noticed

[plush oasis]

Ahh, so only in sin?

[narrow adder]

Tfw you use shroud to skip a pack in bracken the whole time your group is saying this isn't going to work

[narrow adder]

Possibly, I left for work before trying it in outlaw again.

[topaz bluff]

I just want to be able to move during puzzle channel.

[mighty lance]

So I did some more research to make sure I got the bug-acknowledging UI patch right. You can't keep multiple ERs of animacharges rolling (even without reverberation). Once you recast ER, you have the new ER's animacharges rather than the old one. Still definitely busted, since you can start a pack with 8 effective animacharged points if you defer your opener ER a bit, but easier to track right.

[topaz bluff]

My savior! I can hear the groans over discord already when I tell them I got a great idea from the rogue discord!

[plush oasis]

I heard you could move with the puzzle box cast in ptr from someone. That would have made it way less painful.

[topaz bluff]

I run with dh, dh, shaman, druid. I already feel like I'm DK 2.0 😦

[thorny pond]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn crater]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[narrow adder]

!kiss

[marsh wharf]

my only problem with outlaw is roll the bones requires a less smooth brain

mainly because i'll be staring at buffs and die to a mechanic

[narrow adder]

That's what the WA is for

[plush oasis]

Yeah just WA it.

[marsh wharf]

bleeds go brrr

[balmy dome]

Do you spend at 5 combo points chance the loss of a combo point and spend at 6?

[marsh wharf]

god if i don't love grappling hook though lol

[hearty junco]

Would you mind sending a pic, cant acces the spreadsheet from my phone for some reason

[marsh wharf]

@balmy dome for envenom or rupture?

[balmy dome]

both

[spice spire]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hp85BeDQUfqwBKXR6d6Mp1

Better here’s the sim

[tame slate]

n-1 CP is typically when you use a finisher

[balmy dome]

okay thank you

[spice spire]

Spend at max - 1 always

[balmy dome]

kk so it's never worth to lose that combo point

thank you all!

[tame slate]

Np

[strange python]

How high is your guys sim on ST?

[icy fjord]

almost 54k

[spice spire]

Like current or final sim?

[trail abyss]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[marsh wharf]

is there a link somewhere that has every class discord?

i'm trying to find one for my warrior friend

[icy fjord]

google: wow warrior discord

first link

[spice spire]

#rules-and-guides

Also has every class

[marsh wharf]

oh, ty 😄

[strange python]

Current sim, I just switched from outlaw over to assa for the Raid and I wanted to check how my performances is compared to other assa rogues

[icy fjord]

53741 for me atm

i have the 405 dagger tho

[strange python]

mine is 50k, I need to recraft my crafted gear for better stats but overall it looks good

[marble hemlock]

[night delta]

48.5k with 376 MH

[thorn fjord]

My sims are looking like straight doodoo

[thorny pond]

My sin is 15ilvl behind my WW and sims 1k higher

[icy fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g36rENFLANofFGcufNwRci

[marble hemlock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/91m7L3F8JCrq3npspbcWPf

no enchants beyond wep atm

and not playing dtb

[strange python]

I'm on 31crit, 9tempo, 28master, 10versa. Should I change something?

[marble hemlock]

do a topgear sim with the alternative you have

[strange python]

Is there any softcap?

[marble hemlock]

no

[strange python]

On my bags it's the best setup so far

[gusty mirage]

for me kb > dtb

tier prolly is what pushes dtb ahead

[marble hemlock]

ye same

[thorn crater]

yup

me 3

[marble hemlock]

didnt bother enchanting shit atm

dunno if its worth putting gems on neck

[gusty mirage]

I've been tossing cheap r2s on them

[marble hemlock]

might be actually

[gusty mirage]

not going crazy

[marble hemlock]

since wrathion neck is decent ilvl and has good stats

[gusty mirage]

can't socket the wrathion neck

[marble hemlock]

okay fuck you then

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[marble hemlock]

not you, the game

[gusty mirage]

yeah I bought the r3 socket thing

[marble hemlock]

well, gonna craft lariat next week anyway

[gusty mirage]

and the game told me to go fuck myself

[slim hamlet]

skill issue

[thorn fjord]

How much are 34 slot bags on you guys' server?

[gusty mirage]

way more than 6 extra bag slots are worth

that's for sure

[thorn fjord]

25k on mine

[gusty mirage]

did you pick up your free 34 slotter

[thorn fjord]

Trying to be patient

[gusty mirage]

from the waking shores

[thorn fjord]

i have not

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/misty-satchel-34-slot-bag-treasure-in-the-waking-shore-330249 here ya go friend

[merry cypress]

I'm kinda lost about the spark of ingenuity, what would you guys advise to use it on?

[gusty mirage]

I would wait until we get clarification from blizzard, seems that right now embellishments are bugged

but you'd make lariat neck & OH daggie

also embellishments possibly seeing a tuning soon

so just hang on for a bit

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iSAGKHqkGjZ4YpEUXWJFM7 see though? My dmg profile is shit right now.... Without enchants im at like 45k... Feels low for my IL... having same issue with Outlaw =/

[slim hamlet]

Probably even today

Lots of streamers are 99% sure of tuning today

[merry cypress]

cheers bud

[icy fjord]

im simming higher with primal ritual shell but i think thats bait

[gusty mirage]

did you swap it to fire

the fire buff was stealth buffed by 10%

it trucks now

[icy fjord]

really. not even sure how raidbots sims that trinket or how you choose the buff

[gusty mirage]

lemme get you the string

un momento

[icy fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-dj-khaled-khaled-another-you-da-best-gif-16232853

[gusty mirage]

dragonflight.primal_ritual_shell_blessing=flame

I'd assume the mastery one would be just =wind

[thorn fjord]

Holding off on enchants though until we finish heroic

[gusty mirage]

yeah it's =wind

default it sims is wind though

so you could just make another profile set and put the flame buff

[icy fjord]

ah i see it lemme look

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q9NxstFSBtMthfXFRQ3toj

[icy fjord]

thanks for the heads up!

[gusty mirage]

[thorn fjord]

Bet @gusty mirage that bag was super ez to get

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[trim zinc]

do i just sim like 2 times, one with the string in the custom like this
and a second time witout it? cuz the default is mastery?

[thorn crater]

are we gonna be using ST phials to fights except for the council one in the raid?

[gusty mirage]

easiest way to do it is you slap your input into an advanced sim then put this under it:
copy="Turtle Fire"
dragonflight.primal_ritual_shell_blessing=flame

[tacit otter]

isnt there an option in the simulation options under trinket options?

this?

[gusty mirage]

yeah you can sim a specific turtle buff like that

but to compare them you'd need two profile sets

[tacit otter]

ah i just did that in 2 seperate sims, nvm then

[trim zinc]

tyty

[strange python]

Has blizz said anything about embellishments yet?

[devout fiber]

Is there a levelling build

dont see one pinned?

for assas?

[cursive igloo]

i used icy veins leveling guide but its probably not the best

[devout fiber]

hmm thanks will use that

[spice spire]

Not yet. We’re waiting

[strange python]

Rip

[gusty mirage]

the grapevine says tuning soon

that's about all I got

presumably they fix whatever bug there is with the tuning

[slim hamlet]

grapevine

[topaz pebble]

Can anyone give me a brief rotation / opener guide for DTB assa st spec?

[slim hamlet]

faq

wowhead

much easier there is visualization

[topaz pebble]

Ty

[strange python]

Tuning for what

[slim hamlet]

all things

classes at least it sounds like

From maxs stream

[swift dagger]

Wonder if blade flurry or CB is getting touched

[strange python]

Warlock and mage buffs inc

[swift dagger]

good thing Assa exists

[gusty mirage]

embellishments

[viscid spear]

[strange python]

This shit makes me anxious. I hate when shit like this gets changed after people have spent sparks

Ultimately makes me anxious about spending sparks down the line in case there's more tuning

[swift dagger]

U can recraft embellishments tho? Once they fix the possible bug

[gusty mirage]

should be able to ye

[strange python]

Sure. But that assumes they don't make like, boots OP

[swift dagger]

Fair point

[strange python]

You can change embellishments in one slot, but your spark is still fucked if the slot bis changes

[subtle tundra]

or maybe we dont have a boot crafter in the guild

huh

[unique sorrel]

!plater

[devout fiber]

huuuh

did they remove

SoP?

[slim hamlet]

SoP?

cant remember wht that is

[hexed root]

do we have a bis list out by chance?

or like.. 100% which slots we want tier?

[teal bloom]

@gusty mirage Idk if I'm fucking up the primal ritual shell sim or they are really that close. Both dungeonslice and patchwerk showed that they are pretty much identical

[spice spire]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[frank axle]

is there a reason that on the ST specs on rogue point side that the KB one use master poisoner and the "sustain" one not? If its just for utility gauge/tricks i think on raid its better for me to improve the atrophic on sustain too

[hexed root]

think m+ matches raid?

[spice spire]

Hmm?

[hexed root]

that spreadsheet just shows m+

[spice spire]

Post sim let me try

[hexed root]

shows ST too so I suppose that = raid, just seeing ST or dungeonslice vs riad

[spice spire]

So when you click the sim to the right and go in there isn’t a set of gear and talents

Hint: https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hp85BeDQUfqwBKXR6d6Mp1

[teal bloom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cLXfGf19bwgb91sbf4kAZp @spice spire

[true pelican]

thankfully we do

[jaunty hamlet]

Does Fuu's spreadsheet account for the exsang nerf now?

[spice spire]

Expert mode being a cock while I’m at work.
We run at home ig

[spice spire]

Yes

[teal bloom]

@spice spire No hurry 😄

[solid mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[merry cypress]

Kinda curious; what are your opinions on rotation helper addons such as hekilli for rogues?

[lavish lichen]

They are not the best way to learn and can make you develop bad habits

[jaunty hamlet]

Thanks! I figured, however I just wanted to make sure going into the raid

[strange python]

Guys does Raidbots have a issue at calculating some kind of buff or proc? If I sim it shows that I do 50k overall, also at other rogues it shows around the same numbers. But I have not seen a single rogue doing 50k ST. Sim options - Patchwork 1 Boss, ST, 5 Minutes without Aura Buffs

[slim hamlet]

Do you play 100% perfectly?

[lavish lichen]

If yiu sims with the proper buffs

You should be able to hit the numbers on a dummy

Very close to them at least, sometimes even pass them

[slim hamlet]

Yeah sim might also be giving you windfury and stuff

[strange python]

Of course not 100% perfect but still not that weird that I miss around 20k overall

[lavish lichen]

You’re either simming the incorrect buffs or playing incorrectly

[strange python]

I checked the buffs, I turned them off and they are also not listed in the opener rota of the patchwork

[night delta]

Also 5 min fight is quite specific profile

2 CD windows

[lavish lichen]

5m fight in raidbots is not specific at all

5m actually means 4-6m

[strange python]

I will change it and note it here

[lavish lichen]

Unless you disabled that

[night delta]

Where, right now, do we do 5 min fights

[lavish lichen]

On a target dummy 🙂

[night delta]

Legenda was saying they didn't see rogues hitting 50k ST IG

I doubt they were measuring other rogues on dummies

[strange python]

I didn't see any kind of rogue, either stream or on a big rare mob doing more then 50k overall

That's delusional

[night delta]

Legenda, what you should do is make a whatever duration dummy sim, no buffs

[hallow gale]

s assassination rogue easier to play than surv hunter in pvp?

[night delta]

Then practice for the same duration

There you'll see if you do something clearly wrong

[strange python]

So I re-simmed with other options, actually turned of every kind of raid buffs because raidbots was actually using older runes & buff food for the sims and no we end up at 40k overall and that's more likeable to hit

[lavish lichen]

Link the sim

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qEHMKsy9zjmHJ4mDJYZEBP

[lavish lichen]

Idk what you want to hear

There is nothing wrong with the sims

[strange python]

Yea, I did 3 minute fight time now

[oak sky]

execute

[teal bloom]

@spice spire I simmed the trinket in quick sim, fire had like 500 more dps in patchwerk and 300 more in dungeonslice. I probably just didn't know how to sim it in advanced lol

[strange python]

So we end up with only one cd window

[night delta]

Be careful, patchwerk sims include execute

[lavish lichen]

You want to disable variable time as well

[slim hamlet]

Just to be clear we are like insanely far ahead in ST compared tto outlaw right

[teal bloom]

outlaw monkaW

[night delta]

You don't execute dummies however

[oak sky]

tier lists are memes

[strange python]

Just wanted to make sure, 50K seems a bit too high to surpass, maybe hit

[slim hamlet]

I know but not the wowhead ones

they're taken serious

[oak sky]

wowhead tier lists are memes

[slim hamlet]

WHich makes me mad

Dude I know that is why I'm gonna flame them

But we are indeed like 10k ahead right

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[strange python]

Yo could you link the source^^?

[slim hamlet]

to what

[night delta]

A bit less now with exsang nerf i believe ?

[slim hamlet]

wowhead?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-tier-lists-updated-for-december-6th-class-tuning-rankings-for-raid-330412

But it's troll

Fuu's says 6k ahead

[lavish lichen]

I don’t understand how outlaw can go UP by having assa nerfed

[slim hamlet]

They're big brain

It is determined that there will be 2 rogues in S no matter what

[oak sky]

only 1 rogue spec can be good

[slim hamlet]

2

Sub is S no mattter what

[limber lion]

The point is that they think Assa will see less play and thus be the worse spec out of the 2, pushing Outlaw higher.

[haughty flicker]

sin was the only thing keeping outlaws power checked

[slim hamlet]

That makes 0 sence

[night delta]

Their reasoning is like, since you'll get less out of sin, outlaw will see more play, ergo better ranking

[slim hamlet]

Just because one ofthem is worse doesn't make the other better

Compared yes

But not compared to all other specs

[limber lion]

But then again

You're looking at a tier list

So, what do you expect?

[lavish lichen]

Right

[slim hamlet]

My favourite activity

[haughty flicker]

i base all decisions off of tier lists

currently lvling havoc as we speak

[strange python]

[slim hamlet]

I deleted my warrior

[night delta]

I shit you not I have a fotm guy in-guild that lives and dies by tierlists

Every single patch

[slim hamlet]

paladin too

[night delta]

New main !

🤦‍♂️

[slim hamlet]

He's simply better

[night delta]

The infuriating thing is he's ficking gifted

Always parses high no matter the spec

[limber lion]

WoW tier lists are the worst thing to exist.

[slim hamlet]

So would you rather he parsed high on survival hunter or havoc DH

[marble hemlock]

assa m+ b-tier

[limber lion]

Unless we're comparing waifus

[slim hamlet]

Assa A-tier Raid too

B*

[night delta]

Boss damage is overrated

[lilac knoll]

lets gooo

[slim hamlet]

Sin is better m+ than raid btw

[night delta]

Especially in RWF kappa

[marble hemlock]

i agree with that, actually

its just

fight design doesnt really favor assa

[slim hamlet]

It was b tier

not a tier

[hexed root]

isn't it like... sub > outlaw > sin for m_?

[slim hamlet]

But yeah kind of a cuck with the current design

[marble hemlock]

no

[slim hamlet]

Sin bis always

[marble hemlock]

outlaw is considered THE m+ spec still

[slim hamlet]

change my mind

[marble hemlock]

idk why

assa is slamming

[hexed root]

hmmm

[night delta]

You see lacking cleave, I see not giving a rats ass about useless padding

[lilac knoll]

takes a bit to ramp up damage

[slim hamlet]

higher number = neuron activated

[night delta]

When ww monks exist

[marble hemlock]

idk, with IC im dropping 150k+ on bigger pulls every other pack

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I love just absolutely shredding one target

Idc if my overall sucks ass

[raven egret]

but that wowhead article says Assa is the worst M+ rogue spec /s

[marble hemlock]

tierlists suck without context

[night delta]

Being 15%+ ahead on boss damage feels fucking good bro

[slim hamlet]

I mean numbers says that is true

[marble hemlock]

iron wire > outlaw

[slim hamlet]

But iron wire says somehting diff

yep

[lilac knoll]

might have to try that one out 👀 I usually just go outlaw when i'm doing M0s

[marble hemlock]

the new dungeons in particular

have so many fucking casts again

[lilac knoll]

so many mechs rogues can just ignore

[slim hamlet]

Also they still have marksman in D tier

EEven tho it's numbers are on par with BM

I love this man

[trim zinc]

mine was that close 2

[night delta]

Special mention this patch for our boi irideus

Execute boss :gasm:

[lilac knoll]

are you just running the M+ cleave build that is pinned?

[lusty surge]

I can vouch for IC and iron wire being absolutely insane

[teal bloom]

@trim zinc I simmed in quick sim and fire seemed to be clearly better, the advanced thing didnt probably work like i did it

[lusty surge]

I played my first round of m0 with a leveling build (st)

Doing the m+ build does insane dmg with great control

Silencing the whole pack at the start is so handy in a lot of these dungeons

[lilac knoll]

[night delta]

IC pulls are freaky. We did a garden pull in Academy, I ended up around 170k for a few moments

[marble hemlock]

ye

[lusty surge]

Frontloading all your aoe and then prio with kb and dm feels real good

[lilac knoll]

Bet, i'll give it a run tonight

[night delta]

My only issue is that for now, bursting on prio is very not worth it

[lusty surge]

I've been wondering if you can IC, shadow meld, and get iron wire

[night delta]

We loose like half our CD on the target that dies way too fast

[lusty surge]

Seems like nelf would be great with IC in that case

[marble hemlock]

meld is a bit awkward

[lusty surge]

Yeah it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out in high keys

[marble hemlock]

cuz you need to manually stealth

[lusty surge]

Ahh

[marble hemlock]

and you quickly get put in combat again if youre inside the pack

so in order to get a meld restealth

you usually have to run away from the pack a bit

[lusty surge]

From pushing decently high keys in the past, the mass silence immediately jumps out at me as insanely good

[marble hemlock]

to not get proximity aggro immediately again from all your dots ticking

[lusty surge]

Ahhh

Yeah that sounds finnicky

[marble hemlock]

its a solar beam thats like 3times as big in its aoe

while giving the tank an iron bark

[lusty surge]

And does ridiculous damage lol

I have found it awkward in some spots

Waiting in stealth

For a grip or knock to get the mobs grouped up

But I'm sure that will be fine when tanks get used to it

[hexed root]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[mystic fractal]

Idiot here, what is this IC y’all are talking about?

[marble hemlock]

indiscriminate carnage

and idk

IC garrote range is kinda huge

if mobs are in massgrip range

theyre in garrote range

[mystic fractal]

Ty amigo

[earnest imp]

Yeah, i was trying outlaw out a bit but really cba, hope sin IC build wont dissapoint in higher keys

there are also places like Bracken that like 99% of the mobs are immune to silence and stuns it feels like

And i assume if the silence doesnt land, neither does the damage reduction

[hexed root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1gEc6Fu7hdSAGhLueh4KSb seems good

[prisma cypress]

what should i be using my spark of ingenuity on?

[balmy condor]

as of now, nothing

[hexed root]

i used mine on wrists since we get 2 next week

[prisma cypress]

also is that cobalt ring worth getting?

[earnest imp]

yes

[prisma cypress]

how bad of a grind is it

[earnest imp]

3-4h for me it was

[prisma cypress]

how does it compare to other rings of the same ilvl with stats instead of the proc?

[balmy condor]

better

[earnest imp]

completely superior

[prisma cypress]

any idea what level it's equivalent to?

[storm onyx]

Proc is 7% dmg in 12 mil done; a mix of pvp-pve for me atm; to give you rough idea

[prisma cypress]

i'm more interested in how soon it'll be replaced, lol

[hexed root]

all of the gear this week will be replaced asap

[prime drift]

What is the max crit % you want to reach before thinking about other stats?

[storm onyx]

What sim says I guess

[cursive igloo]

there are no tiers for crit from my understanding you stack it as high as you can

[dense yoke]

does sub out dps us in ST with the exang nerf?

[cursive igloo]

but always sim for upgrades

[cursive igloo]

no

exsang wasnt that big

[prisma cypress]

exsang was pretty big

[slim hamlet]

??

[dense yoke]

6% seems pretty big

[slim hamlet]

it was 6% dps nerf overall

[cursive igloo]

oh it changed

thats my bad

[slim hamlet]

but we stil on top st

[prisma cypress]

i think it's close now between sub and assa in theory i.e. patchwerk

[dense yoke]

oh with DT i see

[prisma cypress]

but assa probably better for prog considering it has execute damage and is more resistant to downtime

[balmy condor]

I think 100%

[dense yoke]

oh yea dumb question but do the sims account for execute

[balmy condor]

they do

well

if you sim a fight type that has it

:P

target dummy sims don't have execute

[prisma cypress]

sub does more damage outside of execute, assassination does more during execute, but the latter is usually preferable

[balmy condor]

yeh kinda depends entirely on how much you value execute

[bitter rock]

sorry if this question has been asked 980 times but with the exsang change do we still take it in most scenarios?

[prisma cypress]

meanwhile devastation evoker damage dwindles as the fight goes on

[balmy condor]

not with DTB

[balmy condor]

yeah I like the mastery though because their main cooldown gives them full effect

it's pretty sick

good interaction

[bitter rock]

so the dtb ST build you dont, but like the KB IC build for m+ you still would?

[balmy condor]

in m+ you can go either way

[slim hamlet]

Max is legit talking about how outlaw got put up a tier because sin got nerfed

Hilarious

[jaunty lotus]

Why does simc do a different opener?

[balmy condor]

I had no input in that tier list btw and I don't think guy their

they just took the old tier list and yolo'd it

[balmy condor]

because simc doesn't optimize openers

[slim hamlet]

Oh I didn'tt think so either, thought it was just the usual tettles + dratnos random.org tier

[rapid forum]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[exotic hearth]

So for the 2 raid specs Im guessing KB/Exsang is for farm more or less and DT build for everything else?

[slim hamlet]

KB for execute is often good in proc

[hoary fulcrum]

You still get execute with DTB tho right

[slim hamlet]

yeah in the new builds it's 2/3 points in it

[rapid forum]

more important, which setup has less buttons? thats the real decider

[slim hamlet]

dtb by 2-3 buttons

and shiv is just an on cd

[manic haven]

Do you have example of the new build @slim hamlet or is it in the FAQ already?

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[manic haven]

Thanks

[frank axle]

is there a reason that on the ST specs on rogue point side that the KB one use master poisoner and the "sustain" one not? If its just for utility gauge/tricks i think on raid its better for me to improve the atrophic on sustain too or do i miss something?

[balmy condor]

FaQ and the sheet both

[balmy condor]

it's just utility pick whatever you want

[frank axle]

ok thanks

[slim hamlet]

I will always be doing MP in raid

[trim solstice]

Off of Fuu's Sim spreadsheet which build is best for mythic's; Eight Target or Dungeon Slice build?

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice

[trim solstice]

@balmy condor thanks

[balmy condor]

AoE sims are just for theoretical comparisons

[trim solstice]

oh, okay...thanks!

[balmy condor]

Np

[odd dew]

I'm thinking of crafting 2 daggers, what should be the 2 secondary stats I put on them?

[next arch]

Crit mast

[odd dew]

Okay thank you I thought so

I would of thought haste would of been super useful but I am assuming we get diminishing returns at a certain point that makes it not as good?

[next arch]

I think Haste isnt good on rogue because it doesnt reduce gcd

[trim solstice]

what's the reasoning behind not taking IC for mythic's?

[balmy condor]

You can

They’re both good builds

[trim solstice]

which one is the build with IC?

[dusk summit]

How important is SBS? Would that point not be useful to do 3/3 Zoldyck?

[balmy condor]

The one labeled kingsbane+carnage

[exotic hearth]

I feel like IC will be better in M+ but rn it feels slow since its only up every other pull

But those pulls where it works are so sexy

[trim solstice]

oh, is that in the FAQ? I dont see it on Fuu's sheet

[balmy condor]

It’s 2% to lethal dose and 5% damage and a fuck ton of combo points

[balmy condor]

Oh, yeah we have our own for assa

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

I agree

[dusk summit]

I simmed myself a dungeon slice between KB/IC and DTB there is about a 600dps difference for me.

[trim solstice]

@balmy condor oh sweet! Thanks!

[slim hamlet]

You dont have tier set yet

makes dtb a bit better

[jaunty lotus]

DTB is ahead of kingsbane for me by 1.2% 😭

[dusk summit]

I'm wondering if the switch between IC and DBT will be made on personal preference and or what the affix of the M+ will be.

[balmy condor]

That’s basically what every sin build is

You can play dtb or kb in either situation

And it’s just preference

You’re not going to notice 1% differences let’s get real

The only thing you notice is the sim says one number is higher

[slim hamlet]

1% of 0 is still 0

[trim solstice]

is it possible to do DTB + IC?

[dense yoke]

is the idea to not use exsang if you're going dtb?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[balmy condor]

No

[trim solstice]

bummer

[balmy condor]

DTB is exclusive

Or else we would always be running it with the other keystones

[trim solstice]

right 😉

[balmy condor]

Giga dumb

[dense yoke]

oh woops the doomblade and exsang icons are the same kekw

[balmy condor]

Being hard locked into 6/10 points for the bottom of the tree

[dense yoke]

is there any reason we're using deadly instead of instant with dtb?

[woeful cipher]

we're just running elemental chaos in raid right?

[dense yoke]

or does it just sim higher

[slim hamlet]

!Whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

Deadly is just a better version of instantt

tooltip always has the answer

[rapid forum]

so we run deadly + ampli with the current DTB build

[slim hamlet]

[woeful cipher]

so corrupting rage is the play even with the drawback

[slim hamlet]

Depends I guess

[dense yoke]

oof never knew subsequent applications of deadly were the same damage as instant

tooltip bis

[slim hamlet]

I won't be doing currupting in proc

Unless there is a giga dps check boss

[balmy condor]

Yeah, amp poison applications are the same damage as well

[slim hamlet]

Would always rather be safe in proc

[balmy condor]

All poisons do the same instant damage

Except wound, which does half

[dense yoke]

that's interesting

[balmy condor]

And wound is dogshit in pve

So

[flat jasper]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

The primal whetstone not even being 0.1% dps increase is insane to me

[jaunty arch]

anyone know of a good build for assassination in pvp?

bg specifically

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr has something cooked up on wowhead

[jaunty arch]

:0

[slim hamlet]

oh idk if itt's for bg

[balmy condor]

It is

Spreadsheet uses it as the baseline comparison

Which is why it’s 0.0

[jaunty arch]

still mad at u whispyr 😛

[slim hamlet]

oh

well then

[dense yoke]

damn, seems like dtb is a lot easier to maintain than the KB build and does more dps outside of execute

are we trying to use shiv within ER windows too?

for dtb*

[balmy condor]

Yeah take a number and get in line

[next arch]

dtb is shiv on cd.

[jaunty arch]

@balmy condor

[gusty mirage]

lmfaoooooooooooo

[balmy condor]

[jaunty arch]

im pushing my way to the front of that line... bucko

hahahha

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[slim hamlet]

Good times

Feels just like last week

[light goblet]

anyone know the best time to use puzzle box in your opener

[solar tangle]

hey, regarding whispyrs new spreadsheet, i dont need to play for good results? this is helping a lot xD

[slim hamlet]

[solar tangle]

who created this uwu thing with

[jaunty arch]

[balmy condor]

Correct

[jaunty arch]

@balmy condor have u seen pikaboos new assassination arena build? it's pretty banger and a bit different from your burst build

[balmy condor]

Before Deathmark without exsang, after ER with exsang

[balmy condor]

I’ve never pvp’d a day in my life brother

[jaunty arch]

heresy

[slim hamlet]

pikaboo just be choosing shit with a blindfold on

[next edge]

DTB is only for true chads

[slim hamlet]

and makes it work

Because he's so good

[balmy condor]

The pvp builds are meant as a starter to pvp for casuals

[jaunty arch]

makes sense

[balmy condor]

It’s not an in-depth optimal pvp guide

Wowhead couldn’t keep their pvp writers

Not enough clicks to make it worth

[jaunty arch]

im just in the discord for the pvp stuff anyway hahhha

pve*

[woeful cipher]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[balmy condor]

So they’re like “just make a pvp thing as a part of your guide”

[jaunty arch]

that's unfortunate but it hhappens

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I mean if there’s no interest

And no money in it

Wowhead is still a Company

They’re trying to make money

[jaunty arch]

even so if theres not enough interest it's probably not worth still hhaving

regardless of the money it'd generate, that's just another layer for sure

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it takes like an hour or two of work from me to slap some basics into a pvp page

That’s still worth

[jaunty arch]

more clicks for you 😄

im happy for all your success too it's awesome. Glad you're killin it helping out so many people

[balmy condor]

Yeah I don’t get paid by click sadly

I get paid a flat for patch updates and hourly for updates past that

[slim hamlet]

If paid by click there would be no faq channel

only "check wowhead"

easy mode

[balmy condor]

Nah

I aint in it for the money

[prisma cypress]

he's in it for the chicks

[balmy condor]

If I would be in it for the money, I would lock my sims behind a patreon like azor and switch to a pay for review model

[slim hamlet]

Don't even know who that is

[trim zinc]

#1 offcial whispyr fan girl

[solar tangle]

the opener in the assa faq works without and works without shrouded suffocation ? i'm just asking because its not talented on st and specific mentioned 😄

[slim hamlet]

I have whispyr as my phone background

[balmy condor]

I’m perfectly happy with my wonderful girlfriend of 7 years, she’s the light of my life

I don’t need more women

[storm zinc]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[jaunty arch]

23 -7 o.o

[trim zinc]

happy for u ❤️

[balmy condor]

High school sweethearts :)

[jaunty arch]

just fkin with u

haha

[slim hamlet]

Holy shit

[trim zinc]

(i was just joking tho)

[slim hamlet]

that doesn't happen

[balmy condor]

I’m proof it does

[trim zinc]

thats cute af lol

[balmy condor]

We got together during the summer break after sophomore year

[slim hamlet]

That means nothing to me

[balmy condor]

We were in marching band together, she was a clarinet player and I was a trumpet player

[slim hamlet]

dont know what high school nor sophomore is

[blazing totem]

a WoW player with an actual girlfriend? what is this madness

[trim zinc]

lol i had to search what sophomore is

[balmy condor]

Uh guess it would be 10th grade

Or whatever

Idk how your school system works

[slim hamlet]

10th grade is optional

But I guess it's same age ish

14-16

[balmy condor]

HUH?

Yeah

[slim hamlet]

Yeah we have 0-9th grade

[jaunty arch]

optional? is this the 1930s?

[slim hamlet]

and then 10th is optional either in normal school or like a school you live on

[balmy condor]

We have 1-5, then 6-8, then 9-12, and then uni

[slim hamlet]

directly translated "after school"

Oh yeah 0-9th is same school

[trim zinc]

we have 0-9th grade 2 and after that 3 more years thats like high school
but nothing is optional

[slim hamlet]

no division

[balmy condor]

How weird

[slim hamlet]

Then gymnasium 1st-3rd is the most popular - then university - then extended and stuff