assassination

[balmy condor]

ayo?

[near valley]

i dont want to do alchemy myself

[pure spoke]

I'm laughing so much at a 45s nerf to 3min and it still being the best

[subtle tundra]

You know what

[near valley]

no

[subtle tundra]

Make ic 30 seconds

[fleet anchor]

I can make Static Phials for the simbaiters out there

If anyone wants

[hallow sage]

least u dont gotta prep ur bleeds for an exsang every 45 secs

pog

[balmy condor]

I can make vers phials

[true rapids]

Make IC a toggle like old blade flurry

[balmy condor]

tepid

like this fucking profession

[near valley]

lol rank 2 phials

[median beacon]

Make Exsang refreshable when hit with a dagger

[near valley]

what a noob

[median beacon]

[pure spoke]

Is the nerf already live

[median beacon]

It says the 6th bro

[hallow sage]

herbing and mining without dismounting is great fun, crafting seems like a nightmare. get owned crafters. gatherer brain 🐒

[true rapids]

Make rupture have a chance to proc PB

[balmy condor]

half this channel can't count that high

[median beacon]

🤣

[pure spoke]

Oh I just read the change through a mobile screenshot

[median beacon]

[balmy condor]

make sure to buy rank 3 draconic vials for 650g a pop so you can make rank 3's

[near valley]

btw anyone else get rewarded BoP recipes for professions they don't even use?

[balmy condor]

holy

[fleet anchor]

Speed phial anyone?

[balmy condor]

he's so much better than me

I don't even have that

[fleet anchor]

You can be so fast

629 speed

So much speed

[near valley]

is it fast enough to help me outrun my problems?

[balmy condor]

I see your speed phial and raise you deftness phial

so you can herb 5% faster for 30 min

[dense cedar]

i kidna preferred when professions were just have material press button ngl

[balmy condor]

now you can get an amount more herbs that you won't use cause you can't have any recipes

[pseudo hamlet]

Exsang nerfed and Blizzard wrote that they may replace or redesign it in the future.

Awesome!

[fleet anchor]

Also the best part about doing experimenting

Is my bags now look like this

[dense cedar]

ah my eyes, how lovely

[balmy condor]

[near valley]

i'm sure the pay off will be worth it for alchemists

[balmy condor]

HAVE to melt them down 5 at a time

can't be done

sorry

melting 1 is illegal

punishable by death

[fleet anchor]

It's so nice that I have 4 of R1, and 1 of R2 so I can't do anything with them 🤣

[brazen zodiac]

sounds like a fire hazard

[flint tusk]

Imagine unironically picking alchemy to main.

[near valley]

online gambling

[dense cedar]

you'll see

you all will see

[sterile jackal]

Is dtb/ic build much lower ind dps when compared to kb/ic?

[dense cedar]

alchemy was the only real choice all along

[fleet anchor]

We'll see who is laughing next week when I can make an Alchemist Stone that gets beat by WQ trinkets

[near valley]

50/50 chance we'll see

[flint tusk]

Alchemy is fine. It’s great

[pseudo hamlet]

wondering about that also

[next edge]

I'm a chad JC enjoyer

[heavy coral]

Wdym, it's omega cool

[near valley]

i have barely seen JC enjoyers

[median beacon]

I was a dark moon abuser

[dense cedar]

Alchemy is the only major profession that has any lasting life

[balmy condor]

also have we figured out how to guarantee rank 3 of the reagent crafts like omnium draconis

[median beacon]

Made a couple mil

[flint tusk]

Jc and engi because i’m edgy.

[near valley]

legitimately 0 necks on my server AH

[balmy condor]

I can't find a specialization that buffs the skill

[near valley]

but 389 Darkmoon trinkets for 750k gold

yes

[median beacon]

all AH are connected

[fleet anchor]

Also this is pretty cool that I finally unlocked R3 refinement but it doesn't work on Hochenblume for reasons

[median beacon]

…

[dense cedar]

?

[flint tusk]

[near valley]

i thought only regionwide for consumables and stuff

[dense cedar]

what

[balmy condor]

I'm more upset that hochenblume is "high flower" in german but it's found everywhere while saxifrage is found in high cliff areas

[fleet anchor]

lol

[sterile jackal]

wait, its impossible to dtb/ic, not enough points :<

[balmy condor]

yes

welcome to dragonflight

[dense cedar]

c:

[near valley]

the forbidden build

[median beacon]

I guess neck falls under armor

[near valley]

speaking of neck

that heart of azeroth neck is pretty banging

wish i could just keep that

[lavish wing]

so are we now gonna delay 2nd exsang for deathmark, right?

[balmy condor]

maybe

if it's your last exsang, yeah

[signal pier]

dropping engineering for herbalism i cant buy anymore flowers for my alchemy

[flint tusk]

Damn you thinking 6 minutes into a fight?

[lavish wing]

3 mins

[flint tusk]

[near valley]

flower prices do be rough

[balmy condor]

flower prices gonna crash once people realize you can't craft shit with alchemy

[signal pier]

and those fucking elements, rousing air fire order are expensive af

[sweet zealot]

eeh, why is exsanguinate 3 min with 80% bleed magnitude?

[signal pier]

last time i remember we farmed elements was in wotlk

[sweet zealot]

is it a dead talent now?

[visual slate]

Cuz fuck xsang

[lavish wing]

oh no

[flint tusk]

Bro i feel you pain whisp

READ PINS!!!!

[near valley]

A pack of darkmoon cards costs 3 of each of those basic awakened elements

[sweet zealot]

ah ok nice

[onyx wind]

HAHAHAHA

WHAT HAVE U DONE GUYS

U RUINED ASSA

[subtle tundra]

TRUE

I quit

[signal pier]

assa was designed around exsang

[subtle tundra]

😭

[signal pier]

[lavish wing]

it was op for a week, personal record for a rogue spec

[balmy condor]

do you ever get the feeling where you want to reach into someones throat and pull their tonsils out of their mouth so far that they can loop around their ears? I get that feeling sometimes

[flint tusk]

I’m going dagger outlaw thanks to this!

[lavish wing]

that would be a nice talent

[near valley]

it's the alchemy talking

this isn't whispyr

[onyx wind]

hahahahah 3 minute cd and its WORSE

[lavish wing]

Extonsilate

[onyx wind]

💀

[sweet zealot]

I got a cold so thats how I feel rn xD

[subtle tundra]

Whispyr go sim my st 🤯

[balmy condor]

varas how about you eat my balls

[flint tusk]

I mean we are talking about exsang so maybe this is an efficient method

[subtle tundra]

😳

[onyx wind]

that is probably the largest nerf to a single ability in wow ever

HAHA

[sweet zealot]

ok whispyr is not in a good mood today

[visual slate]

Still best 1 point lmao

[lavish wing]

in history of wow, maybe ever

[near valley]

25% enhancement gos brrr

[lavish wing]

i think restless crew got the biggest nerf 😄

[night delta]

That is truly remarkable

at least now i won't feel gigabad not picking it

[visual slate]

Goes to show how broken it was before

[balmy condor]

you wouldn't be either if you had to deal with someone not reading the pins every 5 minutes while 3-4 people act astounded that this could've happened

[twilit bronze]

what made it so broken before? cause its only every 2nd Dmark now?

[near valley]

wasn't read-the-pins the name of this channel earlier

[flint tusk]

Wtf we got nerfed. We was fine!

[balmy condor]

yes and I took it out again like a clown

[night delta]

just plain too much added damage

[balmy condor]

a fool I was

[lavish wing]

pin the reads man, jesus

[onyx wind]

i cant believe a human being is behind this balance change

biggest band-aid ever

[rigid comet]

bro it still sims 92k with the nerf thats insane stop crying, the 45 sec exsang was waaay overtuned

[lavish wing]

dont go there

[onyx wind]

and its on live servers

[sweet zealot]

honestly discord would benefit from having a way of showing that new pins were added/updated

ppl would still do it

[lavish wing]

like a red circle 😄

[balmy condor]

they do

[sweet zealot]

but a lot less

[balmy condor]

they're bright red

[flint tusk]

No next reset 6th us 7th eu

[fleet anchor]

Unironically I'm looking forward to the very real possibility people just still end up spamming RNG discovery crafts because you can get really expensive potions like Elemental Potion of Power without needing Primal Convergent...

[balmy condor]

it's the only red thing on your screen

[sweet zealot]

I mean on the channel selection tab

[near valley]

making the assumption that people think b4 they write

[balmy condor]

thin ice

[dense cedar]

that'd just be annoying outside of servers like this

[balmy condor]

[visual slate]

You dont deathmark xsangs anyway

[dense cedar]

People really out here wanting Rupture nerfed instead of exsang

[near valley]

what if there was a discord bot that stopped ur message when any keyword is brought up and then tells u to check the pins

[fleet anchor]

I also think maybe there is an allocation problem idk... 🤣

[twilit bronze]

wait, youre not using xsang after Dmark to amp the doubled bleeds?

[near valley]

like those WAs that tell u not to release

[lavish wing]

oh no

[dense cedar]

this better be troll

[onyx wind]

1 minute, 15% increase, 2 minute, 30% increase

[near valley]

not very down to earth are ya

[balmy condor]

it's actually designed that way, mining gets way more earth/fire and herb gets way more air/frost

[lavish wing]

u will give Whispyr his 3rd heart attack this mornin 😄

[oak sky]

Rupture already kinda sucks

[near valley]

can have mining gain the other 2 as well if u allocate into it

[dense cedar]

:(

[balmy condor]

I'm choosing to not read the message for my own health

[twilit bronze]

kinda sorry for this guy then haha, last time i really active played Assass was during Legion and that was when i started the game

[strange python]

wait

3 min exsang?

[near valley]

oh god

[rigid comet]

here we go again

[flint tusk]

Oh ffs here we go

[balmy condor]

aight I'm losing my shit

[twilit bronze]

XD

[next edge]

He doesn't know

[hoary isle]

here we go againe.

[fleet anchor]

I think I would find it more reasonable if the Earth/Fire transmutes used Frost/Air instead of having Earth using Frost/Fire.. lol

[strange python]

my bad

[dense cedar]

we all already know this friend

[strange python]

let me readp ins

[next edge]

[flint tusk]

Just tap out for the day @balmy condor 😂

[lavish wing]

wait, is exsang nerfed?

[balmy condor]

we're putting read the pins back into the channel name

I can't be fucked

[balmy condor]

yeh that's a weird one for sure

[hoary isle]

I doubt thats gonna work

[flint tusk]

Not in caps can’t see

[dense cedar]

[near valley]

can't wait for someone to still not read the pins

[balmy condor]

it worked okay earlier

[strange python]

okay

i see

[hoary isle]

kek

[median beacon]

can someone tldr me exsang???

[sweet sphinx]

am i not supposed to xang after deathmark 😮 also whats this about a nerf ???

[fleet anchor]

Whispyr, I don't think you understand. People really have strong feelings about the numerical value of a talent that nobody actually understood how it worked to begin with!

[median beacon]

DO I STILL GO EXSANG WHATS A PIN

[rigid comet]

started timer to see how long does it take for another dude to ask for the nerf even with the channel name change

[hoary isle]

so whats the best piece to spend spark of ingenuity on ?

[near valley]

me

[sweet sphinx]

sorry couldnt resist

[near valley]

best to spend it on me

[median beacon]

HOW WILL THIS AFFECT LEBRONS LEGACY

[hoary isle]

is BOP

[flint tusk]

So guys what do we think about this new rogue spec?
Read-the-pins-assassination

Does that mean we now stab enemies with tiny drawing pins for extra exsang up time?

[sweet sphinx]

also are we ass connoseurs the only ones munching crayons so hard that we need "read the pins" in the channel name xD

[near valley]

not if u make me gear for free it aint

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to find an emote worthy of my raw rage

[lusty kraken]

so what is the dps loss if we straight up don't pick exsanguinate?

[fleet anchor]

Have you considered

[lavish wing]

HAHAHAHA

[near valley]

a simple reeee would suffice

exsangureeeee

[dense cedar]

[dense cedar]

^ that isn't angry

[twilit bronze]

thats kind of fitting i believe

[frigid kestrel]

[balmy condor]

I hope you all have a good day

[hoary isle]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-pissed-mad-angry-annoyed-gif-4627790

[onyx wind]

theyre touching on exsang

[near valley]

whispyr signing off from the internet today?

[balmy condor]

and I hope the people not reading pins have their windows closed

and doors locked

and know the locations of their loved ones

[hoary isle]

thats every wow player.

[safe rover]

What pins

[sweet sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-disappointed-mad-upset-gif-26051038

[safe rover]

😂

[median beacon]

I’ll just sit here munching my crayons

[fleet anchor]

That button that really didn't do anything meaningful that almost nobody talented into for 5 years and half the people who did forgot to press it and the other half never knew how it worked is now on the top of everyone's mind as a very important issue!

[balmy condor]

christmas is coming early this year, but instead of bringing presents I'm bringing a sledgehammer and a bad attitude

[flint tusk]

Naa no sledgehammer

Bring the pins

[near valley]

don't threaten us with a good time

[lavish wing]

whos gonna lift that sledgehammer for u 😄

[hoary isle]

I think we need more pins for Christmas yea

[dense cedar]

can you delete this actually

[near valley]

it is hurting me inside as well

[balmy condor]

"it didn't bother me until I had to talent it"
gets nerfed
"okay now it bothered me that my dps went down can we not do that either"

[onyx wind]

the classic 'assuming its the same people saying contrary things'

[vestal wren]

[balmy condor]

that's literally what I've been watching for the last 4 hours

[vestal wren]

accurate representation

[dense cedar]

With exsang nerfed the only course of action

[flint tusk]

Here for a good time?

[near valley]

just goes to show that with all the hate talk of my beloved exwsangwuinate

[dense cedar]

Is to become a Feral main

[viscid spear]

Sounds like someone is bleeding out

[vestal wren]

i always have a good time

[unreal kayak]

for me timing of the nerf is weird we have not been able to test it in a raid boss setting

[near valley]

the loss of dps is more important

[onyx wind]

i understand they have to nerf exsanguinate, but what the fuck is that nerf HAHAHHA

they spun the wheel

[near valley]

hahahahaha

[balmy condor]

it's the nerf it needed to be somewhat balanced?

[near valley]

it's the best option

[fleet anchor]

"I didn't like Exsanguinate but I liked that we simmed over 100k on Fuu's sheet, and that's what really matters at the end of the day." 🤣

[near valley]

Fuu's words are law

[lavish wing]

what about like 2min cd but more speed reduce

[onyx wind]

u could make it lower % magnitude

[flint tusk]

I’d 100% rather this emergency nerf. Instead of them flat nerfing our damage again!

[onyx wind]

and make it line up with cd's

[strange python]

!pins

[dense cedar]

that fact that its still be best choice is kinda telling that it was something that'd always be nerfed this way tbqh

[onyx wind]

instead they decide on a 3 minute cooldown hahahaha

[near valley]

thing was just too good

[grand trail]

they state in dev note thats its temporary nerf and they will rethink it again with time, if they remove it rework it or whatever

[balmy condor]

brother it would've had to have been 20-25% on a 2 min cooldown

[fleet anchor]

Actives pretty much beat every passive in every tree, this isn't surprising

[onyx wind]

as i said

[fleet anchor]

This is why every fucking DPS spec in the game needs 3 action bars in DF

[onyx wind]

would be better

[balmy condor]

[near valley]

that bad?

[balmy condor]

yes

that bad

[fleet anchor]

It's more that passive talents are that bad

How do you make an active talent 1%?

Without making it totally shit

Because 1% must be totally shit by definition lol

[onyx wind]

guys exsanguinate is really good COMPARED to the other talents

in that section

because it used to be a choice talent that u get for free

like secret technique with sub

[flint tusk]

St is lit though

[fleet anchor]

In our tree we have 1-2 points in the pre-20 breakpoint that HAVE to be used

[dense cedar]

exeo

[near valley]

secret technique isn't causing people to cry

[fleet anchor]

And Exsang is one of the options

[onyx wind]

so what, they need to nerf secret technique because its outperforming the other talents in that row?

[dense cedar]

If they had to nerf something to drop our damage down by the same degree

[onyx wind]

or do we call it what it really is

[fleet anchor]

It'll always win

[dense cedar]

what would you choose?

[onyx wind]

a nerf to cater to ppl who dont like playing exsang

[dense cedar]

If not exsang

[vestal wren]

i think the dance node is around that mark for subtlety

🙈

[night delta]

well not by a landslide anymore ^^

[balmy condor]

out of curiosity, do you say anything of value?

[fleet anchor]

Sounds like catering to basically everyone is generally fine. 😛

[near valley]

if exsang was a fun button in any regards to most people, there wouldn't be talk of it at all

we'd all be just shit posting instead of 90% of discussion being a debate about it

[dense cedar]

exsang is genuinely more enjoyable in AoE tbh

[strange python]

but let's see one thing,why did everyone cried about exsang

[onyx wind]

hahahah

[dense cedar]

ST its pissy yuck

[strange python]

and congratulate it that is nerfed?

[oak sky]

Psychotic

[subtle kiln]

button bloat had people figure out what they hate. congrats exsang. target acquired.

[dense cedar]

scrubquote

[subtle tundra]

how do i sim with the nerfs

[night delta]

it was way too strong for a t2 talent and to get something out of it we had to use it in ways contrary to its design

[near valley]

exsang had to die for our sins

[balmy condor]

override.spell_data=spell.200806.cooldown=180000
override.spell_data=effect.295690.base_value=80

[night delta]

sounds burst-oriented

[subtle tundra]

thanks babe

[visual slate]

My sides are in shambles

[night delta]

used it on CD, most often out of burst

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[strange python]

also what about hunter buffs?

[night delta]

it was a shitshow (obviously)

[near valley]

ask the hunters

[fleet anchor]

Because Exsanguinate is a janky, unintuitive mechanic that makes everything akward and more complicated for very little payoff and isn't even that great. But it's good in the context vs. 1% talents so you "have" to take the 7% talent and play it, even if you don't want to. Because there are no other choices in the tree that impactful at that point in the traversal.

[dense cedar]

hunter poo poo class before buffs, what's there to say about it

[subtle tundra]

they should have made exsang 5 min with 150%

dont @ me

[onyx wind]

exsang 10 min 200%

real.

[balmy condor]

that would've been twice as strong as now

[subtle tundra]

actual burst cd

[fleet anchor]

The positioning and tuning basically made Exsang a required node for an non-core ability that a lot of people don't even like that much

[near valley]

azerathion will probs say survival is still deep dick dolly dumpster like last time

[onyx wind]

or they could make exsang 25 seconds and 100000% like arms warrior

[near valley]

sadge

[dense cedar]

I'd take prep in that slot for the dps nerf it would give us

[lavish wing]

make it so fast, bleeds turn into insta dmg

[dense cedar]

althought idk if that'd be a buff

[viscid spear]

Exsang 1day CD, insta-kills any non-elite

[dense cedar]

having 2 vanishes

[fleet anchor]

Assassination damage had to come down somehow and that's a "two birds with one stone" situation

[oak sky]

Skullsplitter actually makes sense because its the same cd as rend duration

So much less clunky

[night delta]

they could've made exsang an ability that only works once per target until combat ends

[subtle tundra]

im a bird

two stone me

made no sense what i typed

[dense cedar]

ew

[onyx wind]

ye its fun to play

[subtle kiln]

I figured people would have been happy to see it nerfed rather than the spec getting an aura nerf and you’re still pressing the ability you despise every 45 seconds

[near valley]

i'll stone u if u like

[night delta]

I mean that's basically what making it a 5 min + CD button is

in ST

[oak sky]

Like that talent takes everything bad about exsang and makes it not matter basically

[near valley]

i forgot arms is a bleed class

mostly cause like 2 people play it

[onyx wind]

guys lets compile a list of random numbers

cd and %

[fleet anchor]

Majority probably does feel this way. But there's always gonna be negativity about any nerf even if it's justified

[near valley]

remember outlaw nerf last time?

[fleet anchor]

Assassination was always gonna eat something given the fact that literally everyone who isn't a Rogue is QQing about them

[onyx wind]

i think if u randomly picked cd/% increase in a reasonable interval u would make a better choice 80% of the time

[near valley]

people went off the rails

[night delta]

tbf even we QQd about ourselves

[dense cedar]

exsang nerf good cos it didn't touch rupture or garrote

so IC pog gaming continues

[onyx wind]

its not really the nerf thats a problem, its how its done

who the fuck decided on 3 min 80%

[fleet anchor]

I think how this was done was great

Nerf an ability nobody wanted to take anyway

[subtle kiln]

i’m napkin math and guess we’re at the point where it’s ~1-2% difference from a different talent selection which is what everyone said they wanted to justify not taking it

[fleet anchor]

Instead of an aura nerf and still forced to take Exsang

lol

[dense cedar]

Tbh the nerf just looks scary cos it was all dumped on 1 button

[near valley]

still a 6% dps loss but it makes a lot of people press a button they hate less

[subtle kiln]

you’re still simming 2-3% higher in ST than every other spec. lol

[strange python]

but let's see,they will buff rogue ,right?

[fleet anchor]

Yeah it's probably like 0.5%-1% different to the passives at this point

[onyx wind]

make it 1min 15%, 2 min 25%

u will prob stil take exsang

[visual slate]

Im not taking xsang anymore fuck this button

[balmy condor]

why would they

[visual slate]

Even if it is still better

[onyx wind]

now ur just having a keybind u press 4x less

[visual slate]

Fuck this button

[strange python]

idk? they would love to have some buffs

[near valley]

cause after a nerf a buff is always followed duh

[strange python]

or they are in perfect state?

[subtle kiln]

it’s almost as though realz was listening to the people

[night delta]

I think when we have very very subpar aoe, being 1st ST with a couple % above 2nd isn't egregious

[fleet anchor]

I did try to argue that Exsang should have been deleted quite a while ago fwiw 😛

[dense cedar]

i'll still just take exsang cos current MA is lame af

[night delta]

but until all specs are perfectly equal, there'll be always complaints

[balmy condor]

everyone would love buffs, but rogue is already a top tier class with 3 good specs, idk why they would need buffs

[near valley]

shamans are crying rn

[night delta]

Imma rock MA in AoE

burstin' makes me feel good

[subtle tundra]

im going exsang cause st is valuable

[dense cedar]

just isn't the same if it isn't like the shoulders

[subtle tundra]

🙂

[near valley]

st enjoyer

[subtle kiln]

I enjoyed it when the spec was slower and you could actually feel the impact. Not saying it’s well designed but there was a point where it was ok we’re rolling

[strange python]

for example make assassin rogue meta in M+

and pvp

xd

[balmy condor]

it already is

"xd"

[near valley]

make ass the only rogue spec

[strange python]

i see

[dense cedar]

u can literally just bring any rogue to M+ lol

[night delta]

meta, or viable ?

[strange python]

explain me how did dh managed to dodge nerfs? did he used Blur?

[night delta]

those are not the same

[onyx wind]

what are u guys laying down in m0 overall as assa?

[balmy condor]

dh got nerfed last week

[strange python]

but it's nothing still

[near valley]

in fact make sbs work with exsanguinate so wow can reach its true end

[rigid comet]

dh got nerfed 2 patchs in a row bro wtf

[subtle kiln]

Koji will get them nerfed again.

[fleet anchor]

DH got a Fodder nerf which was their most powerful non-core talent

[strange python]

fodder is ?

[subtle kiln]

new APL going to show true DH power.

[balmy condor]

unreal

[dense cedar]

why complain about things u don't even get

[near valley]

got nerfed again now as well

[dense cedar]

u see ur details and cry

[subtle tundra]

@balmy condor see what you did cause you didnt sim for me
i just sim'd st and 2 through 10 targets for both assa and outlaw and outlaw was ahead in all
this is unfair
fucking nerf outlaw

[dense cedar]

nothing more to ur brain

[subtle kiln]

I thought it was delete outlaw

[near valley]

i hate fodder so i'm fine with those DH nefs

i'm a 2 min meta enjoyer

[balmy condor]

"I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'm gonna complain about other classes not getting nerfed enough anyway"

[night delta]

Murozond : "I've seen the real end times, this is a blessing beyond your understanding !"
Players : "What was it ?"
Murozond "Some rogue made a boss bleed too fast"

[fleet anchor]

Fodder nerf might let Glaive Tempest get played which is a lot more fun, but hard to say. Fodder was really strong at the position.

[balmy condor]

well yeh I could've told you that

[subtle tundra]

why is outlaw better than assa in all scenarios in m+

[strange python]

lol

[subtle tundra]

not ok

[near valley]

the true end boss is the one you least expect

[subtle kiln]

that would be nice if that’s the end result. the soft rework was fun to play in beta

[subtle tundra]

and we lose dps from chainpulling

and vanish is more important to us

[dense cedar]

outlaw looks pretty dogshit to play current tbh

[subtle tundra]

[strange python]

a bit hard to play tho

[near valley]

glaive ain't that far off from pure momentum right?

like not a massive differential

[strange python]

HO + dance build is fun but you get like stacks of pistol stuff so you shoot 2-4-6 times

[dense cedar]

its just taking all the shitty talents

[balmy condor]

exsang nerf hurts pretty bad in m+ for prio/boss, which was sorta what we were good at

[fleet anchor]

It's Glaive or Fodder for one of the spare active points in the tree structure. And Fodder was just better.

[balmy condor]

but honestly still fine tbh

[subtle kiln]

@subtle tundra are we memeing the old sims that showed outlaw lost the most dps from not getting restealths? my sarcasm meter is off at 4am

[subtle tundra]

making bf 8 targets was a mistake

[fleet anchor]

Outlaw with the Ambush build probably loses a ton

[subtle tundra]

idk im just rambling

[fleet anchor]

Chain pulling without Stealth

[subtle tundra]

i dont like outlaw

[fleet anchor]

Since they're running Subterfuge also

[subtle kiln]

was going to say the ambush build loss is huge as koji mentioned

[subtle tundra]

well

ic stealth'd garrote on pull is pretty big

• silence + dr

[dense cedar]

subterfuge countering Grappling Hook tho

genius bug

[fleet anchor]

Yes, but Stealth Blade Flurry multi-HO Ambush on pull is also pretty big lol

[rigid comet]

the ambush build sucks, just sims 1% more than the traditional ER one in a perfect sim scenario

[fleet anchor]

Dude the Hook bug is infuriating lol

[night delta]

yeah IC really brings us relevant aoe in m+ packs

[quartz laurel]

So sad they nerf unique talents.. We probably get af % dmg ability or something like that, its borring, and you could go play DH or something like that instead...

[dense cedar]

half the dungeons removing stealth probably doesn't help either

[subtle tundra]

still worse than outlaw in any scenario

[night delta]

I tried DTB dungeon build

[subtle tundra]

💀

[strange python]

how?

[night delta]

and damn it was ugh

laaame

playing packs felt like shit after experiencing IC

[dense cedar]

there's some bug that makes grapple count as a remove stealth ability with subterfuge talented

[strange python]

so its really bad?

[near valley]

i meant cause the glaive build left out momentum but fodder one didn't but yeah fair play fodder is just the way to go

[strange python]

wow

that explains

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-demon-hunter-wow-gif-22567542

you do realize DH got a soft rework and it’s not 2 buttons yea?

[near valley]

it's 3 now

[fleet anchor]

lol DH is like every other spec now

[near valley]

jk ofc

[fleet anchor]

It's just a button piano fiesta

[near valley]

dh is fun now

[fleet anchor]

like 2/3rds of the specs in the game have like

19 buttons on their bars now

[subtle kiln]

i wonder if any of the melee specs are under 50apm

[night delta]

evoker moment

[near valley]

button bloat is becoming a bit of a thing

i don't want to buy an rpg mouse just yet

[fleet anchor]

Because just like Exsang, almost all the active nodes in the tree are higher budget than passives

[near valley]

but i might

[fleet anchor]

So people just go around grabbing them all

[flint tusk]

I mean just use modifiers if you're suffering button bloat shrug

[near valley]

gotta catch em all

it's why i'm glad dtb is atleast close to kb to use in st

[tame coyote]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[dense cedar]

aren't modifiers just the same amount of buttons tho?

[balmy condor]

evoker is following the havoc cycle:
get released with 0 buttons
rework adds 15
enter the rest of the specs who have 20
remove 10 for bloat
add 10 back for "unpruning"
repeat

[dense cedar]

they just stacked

[balmy condor]

yeah this makes 0 sense to me

this whole "modifiers aren't keybinds" things

is just

really silly

[subtle kiln]

cringe

[onyx wind]

they should make exsanguinate cost 200 energy

[balmy condor]

who?

[near valley]

u know

[wild storm]

u

[subtle kiln]

they

[near valley]

they

them people

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/they-tell-everyone-they-know-josh-sundquist-they-say-to-everybody-they-know-they-tell-the-others-they-know-gif-17755030

[near valley]

those dudes

[flint tusk]

i know. i actually found it makes it easier to play having all your easy to reach buttons twice over. but could just me with a bendy thumb on the alt key

[onyx wind]

deathmark is overperforming compared to other talents in the section

[fleet anchor]

Modifiers are a symptom of a problem, not so much a solution. They're just required since it's so easy to run out of easy to hit binds. So modifiers are required.

[onyx wind]

we need it nerfed

[fleet anchor]

Deathmark is a "core" talent though. Most specs have 2-3 like that.

[near valley]

just remove all the buttons at that point

[fleet anchor]

Exsang is not core

[near valley]

ass has no buttons

just weapon poisons

[subtle kiln]

careful youll get vendetta back

[onyx wind]

ye im being funny

[near valley]

even they may need removable cause they sim higher than not having any

[fleet anchor]

It's assumed everyone takes Deathmark 100% of the time

[flint tusk]

[balmy condor]

!mute @onyx wind 72h aight you actually do nothing but troll and foster unproductive conversations, take a break and read for a bit instead

[near valley]

the good ending

[subtle kiln]

I think that’s nice to see on the tree. you get the one centralized and then work off that

[rigid comet]

what are modifiers?

[near valley]

things that modify

[fleet anchor]

Like Alt/Shift/etc.

[dusk flower]

Hm, anyone else having issues with exanguinate not ..well, working at all right now?

[near valley]

ctrl

[fleet anchor]

Yeah since 2018

[dusk flower]

Click it and nothing happens.

[fleet anchor]

😄

[rigid comet]

ah ok

[near valley]

using alt becomes too much for me

[fleet anchor]

I haven't tried it today

[near valley]

shift is where i draw the line

[balmy condor]

haven't heard of it, gonna go try real quick

[flint tusk]

like this
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:alt] Slice and Dice; rupture

[fleet anchor]

Exsang was doing some strange things the other day in terms of not correctly updating the duration of bleeds on target frames

But the dots dropped at the right time

I think it was just a UI bug

[flint tusk]

i'm lucky i can have the tip of my thumb on alt and the knuckly on space to jump xD

[near valley]

u just want the excuse to use exsanguinate

[near valley]

i wish i was like u

[balmy condor]

nope

working fine

[near valley]

my fingers are too damn long

[blazing totem]

wait where is assa channel

this is some read the pins channel

[near valley]

nowhere

[blazing totem]

[near valley]

yet everywhere

[fleet anchor]

Assassination has time in their rotation to read the pins now.

[balmy condor]

and they still don't

insane

[near valley]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[blazing totem]

I mean apparently nobody reads pins or this

bold to assume they will read channel name

[near valley]

reading is apparently a luxury many can't afford

[flint tusk]

but now it's even more important to turbo manage bleeds for exsang for maximum uptime

blood pressure spiking every 3 minutes

[fleet anchor]

There's nothing you can do to min-max it that people weren't already doing every time

The only way to optimize Exsang is DoT duration when cast

Which we were already setting up for every 45s

[night delta]

thing is

playing around your bleed timers every 3 minutes is way easier

than every 45 seconds

[flint tusk]

but now it's super turbo important to get it 100% perfect

[fleet anchor]

Not really

[night delta]

you can prepare for it like 1 min in advance

manage pandemics to get it to line up just right

[fleet anchor]

You'll lose exactly as much damage messing it up once as you did messing it up once before

[dusk flower]

strange.

[fleet anchor]

In fact, less

[near valley]

bold of u to assume i plan ahead

[fleet anchor]

Because it was nerfed

To 80%

There's nothing you can mess up on the 3m timer more than you couldn't already mess up on a 45s timer for the same detriment mechanically

[night delta]

I think he means proportionately

[fleet anchor]

It just makes it straight easier 😛

I mean, proportionally as well

[night delta]

like messing it up makes you loose a bigger % of exsang damage as before

[balmy condor]

how do they get away with it

[night delta]

since you use it only so often

[flint tusk]

i'm actually just being a bit of a dick.
things will happen in a fight that will mess you up randomyl anyway. min/maxing means zero if you're dead

[fleet anchor]

I mean, that matters if you're looking at the Exsang meters, but we don't do that so that point doesn't matter 😛

[night delta]

yeah true, it comes more with the feeling behind taking the talent

[subtle kiln]

just take a passive if messing up exsang is a concern.

[fleet anchor]

Messing up 1 Exsang before would have lost exactly the same DPS as messing it up now will.

[night delta]

if you mess up, you think you might aswell not have taken it

[fleet anchor]

With just more opportunities to fail

[dusk flower]

Seems it was all the mobs in a cave that was slightly bugged.

[fleet anchor]

I can assure you most people were not playing Exsanguinate correctly though

[near valley]

like playing a frost dk and hoping u don't fat finger frost strike

[fleet anchor]

I've seen plenty of horrifying logs

[subtle kiln]

complaining about it 24/7 in discord wasn’t the correct way to play it?

[fleet anchor]

And it is not a forgiving talent

[mystic gate]

wym ? like they used it with dm ?

[fleet anchor]

Like, remember when literally everyone was losing their mind about "snapshots" in S3/S4 with the T28 bonus?

Exsang literally does exactly that. And always has.

lol

There's multiple ways to mess it up and none of them are obvious

[rich scaffold]

Would you still play Exseng on CD like that? since we dont really have 3min cooldowns to align 🤔
No more syncing with ER then too? (besides in the opener)

[fleet anchor]

I mean you'll probably still sync with ER

45s cooldown syncs with 3 minute cooldowns

[subtle tundra]

real

[knotty grove]

do we still apply 7 cp rupture every 45 sec or can we spend our animacharged cps on envenoms for example if exsang is on cd

[near valley]

i'd assume at this point ur only really pressing exsang twice a raid fight

[fleet anchor]

You would generally end up using ER on Envenoms probably yeah, but you just use on what you need at the time

[rich scaffold]

or you skill something else and press nothing

[near valley]

can't be an option

[sinful island]

what flask is a go to?

[halcyon ermine]

hi
im new to rogue and have bad english could someone please explain to me how does ER work?

[near valley]

herasy to even say that

[lavish wing]

is there an in-depth guide about exsang and pandemics, I feel like Im missing a chunk of knowledge here

[near valley]

whatever u can grab a hold of at this rate

but i think glacial fury is ur go to

corrupting rage if ur a true chad

[subtle tundra]

go alchemy

and corrupt some rage

[balmy condor]

would love to

[near valley]

lmao

[visual slate]

When you press er one of your combo points lights up. If you spend EXACTLY that much it works as if you spent 7. That's it

[near valley]

the rage is building but not the one he wants

[visual slate]

Er is also for some godforsaken reason is the most damaging fucking ability in arsenal lmao

[near valley]

just slaps

[balmy condor]

according to..... what metric exactly?

[visual slate]

According to my tooltips

[near valley]

in pvp atleast

[visual slate]

Most damaging as in one instance

[halcyon ermine]

ah thank you! How does it fit in the opener/rotation usually?

[balmy condor]

it does less than ambush

[visual slate]

You use it on rupture i think?

[mystic gate]

i am still learning but iwanna know how much did that nerf messed us up next to our other specs in aoe ? cause im sure sin is still a couple percent better in st

[visual slate]

Oh well

[normal mist]

whoever changed assa channel name, is a genious

[balmy condor]

less than envenom, rupture, crimson tempest

kingsbane

deathmark

bone spike

does less than shiv if you have tiny toxic as well

[near valley]

most damaging was a bit ambitious to say

[visual slate]

Okay nerd

[halcyon ermine]

so after garrote u er then rupture?

[visual slate]

I was wrong apparently

[balmy condor]

the list of things it does more damage than is actually much smaller

[flint tusk]

Whispyr did for his own sanity

[balmy condor]

it's better than mutilate, and baseline shiv

and uh

that's it

[near valley]

so ur saying mutilate needs a buff?

[visual slate]

Faq has some openings

[normal mist]

Its sad to read that even with ENX being 3 min cd now, it still beats the other options

[near valley]

rupture then er

[balmy condor]

nah im saying people like just saying words

[visual slate]

Well when i took a look tooltip was the biggest out of my kit

[near valley]

true

[visual slate]

So yeah

Your numbers may vary apparently

[balmy condor]

you didn't look very hard then

[near valley]

actually in aoe i believe its er then rupture

[gilded seal]

You think this is what Realz implied when he posted that blue shell Mario Kart meme

[visual slate]

The only thing i did not check was ambush

[balmy condor]

it's based on attack power, they don't scale differently

[near valley]

if ur running IC ofc

[near valley]

forgot about that

blue shell was effective then

cause no one saw it coming

[gilded seal]

Just when we thought we made it to the finish line

[balmy condor]

ER is 132% attack power, garrote is 175, bone spike instant is 158, rupture at 5cp is over 220, kingsbane's instant without the dot is 132% as well

and ER doesn't scale with mastery, or haste

like some of those do

so it's actually just straight up impossible for your tooltips to say otherwise

bone spikes tooltip will ALWAYS be higher than ER

[near valley]

thought er was 110%

[balmy condor]

I guess you could take reverb

but taking reverb

is pretty giga yikes

[near valley]

nvm the base wowhead tooltip was showing me something different than the one on the talent tree

also resounding makes echoing so much better to play

actually allows me to stomach using it

[visual slate]

Oh that was it

I tested it in pvp

[balmy condor]

yeh

[visual slate]

Case solved

[balmy condor]

reverb skews the numbers pretty hard

it's kind of a shame that it's so gigashit

[visual slate]

I don't feel like a complete dumbass now

[red bloom]

Ive read the pins

[near valley]

[balmy condor]

god bless you

[red bloom]

thank you

[subtle tundra]

so how do i play feral

assa is doomed in m+ i just dinged 70

[viscid spear]

Of course, Sin was in first place so it got the shell

[visual slate]

Feral is /pet target

[near valley]

u first delete the char then make a arms warrior

[subtle tundra]

warrior is only fury

arms is 😴

[earnest imp]

In the pin, what does "MA" talent stand for?

[visual slate]

Faq has all the abbreviations

[red bloom]

cant swing sword without them

[earnest imp]

Does it still?

Cant see em anymore after update

[near valley]

Malefic affliction

[red bloom]

you can only take that talent with a masters degree, sorry i dont make up the rules

[near valley]

nah jk it's Master Assassin

[viscid spear]

Monkey Ass

[earnest imp]

what a way to wake up to this exciting change

[red bloom]

monk > assa?

[earnest imp]

might aswell drop exsangunate now i guess

[urban minnow]

is there a way to see how competitive each spec is in m+

against eachother

[balmy condor]

no

[red bloom]

play them

[earnest imp]

losing a 1-2% is whatever for me

[red bloom]

compare notes

[sullen hollow]

what build are people playing for current content?

i am dtb enjoyer

[balmy condor]

the ones in the faq

[red bloom]

im playing my own, is really good

[sullen hollow]

do you actually play ic and stuff in m0's

[near valley]

yeah there is

[balmy condor]

I do

[near valley]

just play outlaw

[balmy condor]

it's doing great

[near valley]

can't be beat

[sullen hollow]

i think the dtb build is doing quite good too

[red bloom]

play WW/DH EZ

[balmy condor]

I'm sure it is

[sullen hollow]

for general content

[near valley]

i like dtb myself

[red bloom]

just change all your weakauras yellow and it looks like youre playing rogue

[near valley]

but giving up execute damage is kinda ruff

[visual slate]

Kinda sadge we can't go dtb with kb

Imagine the deeps

[balmy condor]

the world is your oyster, and you're not allergic to shellfish

[sullen hollow]

lol

[near valley]

wise

[balmy condor]

I'm imagining the nerfs and the screaming attached to them right now

[blazing totem]

that's deep

[near valley]

more like imagine all the ignoring of the pins

[red bloom]

what pins?

[near valley]

the bowling ones

[blazing totem]

these pins

red ones

they are pretty

[red bloom]

sorry i dont speak/read that, dont know what to do now, ill ask Whispyr

[blazing totem]

way to go

😄

[near valley]

spoken like an average sin player

so proud

[balmy condor]

wait @strange python this sim is the set bonus

[red bloom]

im learning

[balmy condor]

where's the embellishments

[near valley]

i completely forgot tier was a thing

[balmy condor]

different set bonus

but close

[woeful elk]

So reading the pins, going MA is preferable to IP if I want to dump exsang? Thinking dungeons/aoe. Also thanks for updating real quick about this.

[balmy condor]

yes

because you need to get to iron wire somehow

and that's either through MA or exsang

so the only real decision there is which way you're going

[woeful elk]

Aaaaahaaa. Yes. Thank you.

[balmy condor]

np

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[subtle tundra]

now i will compare to sub

bcs im mentally ill

[balmy condor]

we know

[red bloom]

just wait for the scaling

[subtle tundra]

i will cry

ok why did i do this

sub is much better

[red bloom]

i didnt notice thins but no daggers with cool effects? dead spec

[subtle tundra]

😭

[amber sun]

how does sin compare to outlaw now in ST? i remember my sim yesterday was pretty close with sin beeing 3k ahead of KiR

[languid basin]

after the nerf do you think sin is still the best for single target? i was planning on going outlaw for m+ and sin for raid prog

[woven bane]

isnt sin still higher than sub in the sheet

[subtle tundra]

in m+

who cares about raid

[woven bane]

ah

[subtle tundra]

3% in raid means nothing

[balmy condor]

lmao

[balmy condor]

it still is, yes

[balmy condor]

like 4-5k higher

[subtle tundra]

m+ balancing matters way more

[balmy condor]

sure it does bud

whatever makes you happy

[languid basin]

playing sin in m+ is asking for an aneurysm

[subtle tundra]

says the outlaw

[languid basin]

even if dance outlaw is aids

[amber sun]

ty

[meager granite]

actually requires planing and skills, whereas outlaw .... press 1 button and do ST rotation

[red bloom]

you play sin in M+ to rub it in with your mates that youre a better player than they are cause you have to do math and stuff and they just spin

[meager granite]

oh and press eveything on CD that flashes on screen

[languid basin]

sure buddy

[subtle tundra]

waiting for the day when assa is good in m+ 😴

[languid basin]

i don’t think is bad right now no?

[subtle tundra]

the only thing its better than any of the 2 specs is, sub 2t

[heavy plover]

wait for m+ a bleed spec isn't going to shine when everything dies in 5 seconds

[languid basin]

sub m+ is way too boring for me

sin will be good for high keys

[subtle tundra]

im literally talking about m+

[heavy plover]

yea its not bad in m+

[languid basin]

bc stuff doesn’t die quick and you can ramp your bleeds

[subtle tundra]

and im saying im waiting for the day its good

[languid basin]

and more pulls with IC

[heavy plover]

sure its not the best, but we're better than last xpac in m+

[subtle tundra]

not "not bad"

[red bloom]

high fort keys EZ

[balmy condor]

Aight someone tell me what the names are for the embellished effects

[heavy plover]

i'm quite happy with the improvement from last xpac for m+ so ill take it

[balmy condor]

I need the names for these

[red bloom]

"Can I complete a weekly no leaver 15 as assassination?"

[subtle tundra]

imagine playing high keys as assa while both of the other 2 specs are better

[visual slate]

Imagine caring what is better instead of playing what you like

[red bloom]

tbh, the other 2 specs being better doesnt mean much if i want to play assa that chosen day

[subtle tundra]

im not talking for doing your weeklies

ofc who fucking cares about weeklies

play mm for all i care

those will be boostable week 3

[red bloom]

isnt a 30 key still a weekly?

[deft obsidian]

anyone have a plater profile that filters out most of the redundant bleeds n poisons?

[balmy condor]

@uneven loom I have to do some format surgery leave me alone

[stark gyro]

I've been playing rogue since 2008 now and god on every other dps classes i'm able to feel the build but when I'm going sin/sub it always feel counter intuitive and over complicated

Guess i'm just a noob and should have mained my pal

[balmy condor]

Wdym

No

This is a dream

Maybe read pins before talking out of your ass tho

Helps

[stark gyro]

Savage

[night delta]

Sin ST was way overboard anyway

[balmy condor]

Oh

[night delta]

A nerf was coming

[hardy dagger]

Enhance now has a build called gamba sims 96k and has some unreal rng potential

[night delta]

Glad it happened through exsang

[balmy condor]

So you’re not talking out of your ass from a lack of knowledge, you’re talking out of your ass from willful ignorance

That’s not better

[rare owl]

I was hoping for a bigger nerf, still dont like playing with it but I'll live

[night delta]

You'll also live dropping it tbh

If you don't wanna pick it, don't

Now the added bonus is you don't feel nearly as bad dps wise

[midnight atlas]

man... i'm sad. exang was godtier in pvp. now with 3 min cd i'll rather play other class

[rare owl]

Yeah that's what I mean. We'll see how it feels in keys

[cursive summit]

kinda yikes take

[little forge]

The physical one is fang adornments

[night delta]

If bleed sin was godtier pvp, you'd be sure to see a lot of dwarves and evokers to counter

[balmy condor]

Oh thank you, I already had a dm actually but much appreciated anyway!

[little forge]

I think the other is bronzed grip wrappings

aha, nice 🙂

[midnight atlas]

ofc pvp andies start repplying.

[balmy condor]

Yeah 8 hours after a nerf is not a great time to come into the channel with 0 indication that you’re making a joke, cause that leads to the only joke being you

The point is that instead of a 9% talent competing with 1.5% talents and our viability getting crunched in other areas, such as build diversity or aoe/overall damage, we’re getting an increase to build diversity and the problematic talent is reduced, while also bringing us down from roughly 10% above every spec in the game to 4% above every spec in the game

It’s nothing but W’s

[viscid spear]

I'm a Mage and I have an opinion

[red bloom]

wasnt sin like 20% ahead in ST, bringing that back to reality is fine and not a terrible loss and to top it off we get more of a choice

[regal zodiac]

Mages are allowed in here?

[red bloom]

or you can play BM

[quick chasm]

I haven't done much deep dive into other specs but wasn't sub according to Fuu's spreadsheet like doing 91k? is all rogues specs that strong?

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

Yes

[quick chasm]

🙂

[balmy condor]

All rogue specs are good

[peak bobcat]

Sanctum of domination 2.0 with rogue balancing

All 3 at the top

[viscid spear]

[steel sorrel]

@balmy condor May I ask if the addon for rotationhelper works for sin atm? Think the name is Hero-something. I cant seem to get it to work at all for some reason, mabye not updated?

[balmy condor]

I’m not the addon creator I have no idea

[hardy dagger]

Enhance back to simming the highest after 25% nerf is gold

[steel sorrel]

I know, just saw it in the guide and thought id ask. Ty for taking you time ❤

[red bloom]

enh got another 25% nerf?

[night delta]

I heard they might even not take WFT

[red bloom]

or is that the one from ages ago

[balmy condor]

Yeh no worries, it’s been semi-accurate for shadowlands, I assume just needs updating

[steel sorrel]

God bless you my man!

[royal lantern]

yoooo, exsang nerf???

great

[hardy dagger]

I guess if that's the build without wft it wont be played

[viscid spear]

Just need a Frost buff

[night delta]

mage or dk ?

[royal lantern]

man, im happy af rn

thats the 1 thing assa needed imo

[viscid spear]

[royal lantern]

was overperforming in st, and they made the annoying talent less annoying cus you dont 24/7 play around it anymore

and at the same time made the dmg more equal

blessed timeline

[steel sorrel]

I feel like the nerf made it possible to play something like dtb and MA if you are lazy and dont get to much of a dps decrease now. Would be much worse if they just did a 10% red dmg flat out I think

I am injured on the left hand so having less buttons (even thou its blasphemy) its nice tenporarely to not prexx exang every 45 sec xD

[night delta]

DTB 0 button build is becoming more and more of a reality

[steel sorrel]

Id say Kingsbane still is the way to go

[royal lantern]

god pls

[balmy condor]

Here I am re-simming m+

I will say, kingsbane actually gained a little bit when I did my quick peek at single target

[royal lantern]

i feel you man, CTS sucks and i cant play outlaw for a longer time cus of it 🙂

[balmy condor]

The m+ hit is uh

[subtle tundra]

🥺

[balmy condor]

Larger than expected

[subtle tundra]

you think im dooming for no reason

im a smart lad

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor you know a talent is fucked up when the reactions im seeing here are mostly positive when it gets nerfed

[steel sorrel]

oh no 😦

[balmy condor]

I never said you’re dooming for no reason

I Just said You’re an idiot

[true condor]

huh why this channel become so long

[subtle tundra]

fuck

[balmy condor]

And I stand by that

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

People need a little help reading the pins

[true condor]

true

[royal lantern]

assa got a nerf, its the best nerf possible cus exsang got hit, but people see nerf and go full doomer like always

remember enh shaman and ww monk doing like 40%more dmg then everyone else

[steel sorrel]

Befpre the nerf this build simmed similarly to IC+KB for me i dungeons but dont know how that fares now thou

[royal lantern]

getting 25%nerfs and people going CRAZY how blizzard hates shaman and ww monk

and they are still 1 of the best options rn?

[balmy condor]

Still similar

I’m trying to get it added to faq right now

[viscid spear]

Soon you can just plug in your VR headset and play like that

[steel sorrel]

I see, thats nice. Atleast lazy fucks can play decent aswell haha

[subtle tundra]

fuck now i need to get sub setup for m+

-.--------

[viscid spear]

ofc all the NElf and BElf players will be too busy looking down at their chest and giggling

[subtle tundra]

1 shadow dance build lets go

[viscid spear]

Regardless of gender

[true condor]

i want to know how much impact this nerf did but i am a super assa noob i even dunno how to cast the opener rightly

[subtle tundra]

buff assa m+

worst aoe worst st in m+ out of the 3 rogue specs

[dusty zenith]

Play outlaw then

[royal lantern]

assa was overperforming in ST, people HATED to play exsang cus the talent is annoying and you spend way to much time going around it, exsang was overperforming

nerfing exsang fixes multiple problems

[subtle tundra]

#outlaw 👉 🚪

[viscid spear]

Still a good talent, just a 1.9% increase instead of like 9% or something

[royal lantern]

remember everytime you yahtzee pirates get a nuclear meltdown when there is a CHANCE that outlaw is not #1 for dungeons and you MAYBE need to play sub/assa?

i do, cus it happens every patch

[viscid spear]

This spec is pissing off players!
Click 👉HERE👈 to find out why!

[true condor]

sounds good and yea i know assa is the best in ST now,glad to see that

[subtle tundra]

outlaw 60% bf was a mistake

make it 40

[true condor]

tbh i don't think outlaw did a better aoe than sub

[dusty zenith]

I’m welcome to the nerf. If it means different rotations and less screwy openers I’m for it

[viscid spear]

AoE and Cleave are two different things, did Outlaw even have AoE?