#assassination

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balmy condor
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so

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it kinda deserves a giga nerf

thorn crater
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if that happens the full poison meme is gonna live on though

burnt latch
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what if deathmark didnt replace vendetta, exsang did

dense cedar
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ultimately im not gonna get that bothered by exsang in practice

burnt latch
balmy condor
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we're worrying about placing points for 1%, 1.5%, 1.8%

oak sky
dense cedar
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im sure we've all lived in the speed bleed mines before

balmy condor
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and then exsang just exists at 9%

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middle of the tree with 0 routing required

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just hanging out

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cock out on the table

tacit iris
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xD

thorn crater
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i like how they were worried about the KB DTB interaction

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and exsang is like

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hold my beer

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after it sees DM walking in

balmy condor
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KB DTB is frankly way stronger than exsang

dense cedar
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lmao ye

balmy condor
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KB DTB is untunable without KB jank

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like internal cooldowns and shit

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but exsang is still ridiculous

dense cedar
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if we could have kb and dtb

burnt latch
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I cant wait till we get a low ppm trinket with a massive haste proc, and start having to track that so we can snapshot exsang

thorn crater
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basically the hippo in the room hid behind the elephant

dense cedar
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maybe we could hit Legion numbers in DF

thorn crater
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so everybody forgot aobut it

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do we know the pool of season 2 dungeons?

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boon is coming at some point XD

burnt latch
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wheres that from

dense cedar
burnt latch
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never heard of the trinket

thorn crater
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is bfa trinket right

dense cedar
thorn crater
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shrine of the storm

oak sky
burnt latch
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oh but thats an on use

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thats easy

lavish isle
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
burnt latch
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some slow ppm passive trinket

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now thats where the content is to be had

hollow river
burnt latch
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your parse is determined if your trinket procced for your exsang windows

subtle tundra
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Nice

hollow river
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Blizzard: here’s a random proc 999 haste trinket, glhf

subtle tundra
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😠

burnt latch
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the 3min mastery on use trinket is simming fairly decently for fire mage atm afaik

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from academy

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with the downside being its agi/str mainstat

hollow river
burnt latch
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so wouldnt be the first or the last time degenerate stuff happens with trinkets

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LOL

hollow river
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Boomkins and their Bell

burnt latch
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oh yeah that thing

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207 bell bis for sanctum

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lovely

hollow river
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What was that one trinket from legion TW?

burnt latch
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for resto druid?

hollow river
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Caster trinket I think, but enhance or something used it too?

burnt latch
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the one that returned mana

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oh

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no clue

dense cedar
hollow river
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Pretty positive it was a caster trinket but there was 1 melee that used it

balmy condor
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we will want to play an on use stat trinket for burst windows

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this one is very promising for pre-raid

burnt latch
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whispyr have any of the DF items been properly implemented to simc yet?

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i was wondering about the attack speed trinket from raid

vestal wren
balmy condor
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most every one of them

burnt latch
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it seems absolutely bonkers

hollow river
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Increasing <primary stat> by NaNNaN

balmy condor
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attack speed trinket is good

dense cedar
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kinda doubt we get a bfa dungeon

burnt latch
balmy condor
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yes

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they all are

burnt latch
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oh cool thats early

balmy condor
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trinket comparisons have already been done

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fuu's sheet has them

burnt latch
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oh very nice, thats very early

balmy condor
burnt latch
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chains didnt get implemented till like 2 weeks into prog in 9.2 so was wondering

balmy condor
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yeh

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9.2 had a lot of weird trinkets that were basically untested until people actually could use them

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beta cycle this time around was pretty forgiving

burnt latch
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yeah they did a good job putting ALL of the trinkets (except last boss stuff iirc) on the vendors

balmy condor
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yeh

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makes it a lot easier

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also they aren't overly crazy

vestal wren
balmy condor
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they kept the crazy stuff to flasks and shit

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trinkets seem kinda tame

burnt latch
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and the combat potions Starege have u simmed them yet?

dense cedar
vestal wren
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keep in mind that DF might end up using the "BEST OF" dungeons for future seasons

balmy condor
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"auto a bunch and it does damage"
"press a button and you'll do damage"
"have some stats"

balmy condor
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theres like death potions but those are giga shit no clue why anyone would use them

oak sky
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Wait why would you hope its tol dagor

burnt latch
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did u sim the difference between overwhelming crafted vs the one u get from the cauldron

dense cedar
balmy condor
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uh, I don't think I have

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could you link me the wowhead page to the cauldron one? I can do it later tonight

burnt latch
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iirc the crafted ones are quite worse compared to the cauldron ones, unless they've changed it recently

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yeah sure give me a sec

balmy condor
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I don't think the buzzing/howling runes stay at their current value

dense cedar
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As long as im not playing Siege of Boralus or Motherlode i don't super care about bfa

night delta
burnt latch
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yeah they might have put it them more in line, the cauldron one gave u something crazy like 5-10 sec longer duration and like 20% more main stat

oak sky
dense cedar
oak sky
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And ive done the dungeons in leveling

dense cedar
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again only Siege and ML really annoy me

balmy condor
oak sky
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But thats not really the same

balmy condor
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I get the niche

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it's just

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idk

burnt latch
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think its that one

balmy condor
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kinda super duper niche

night delta
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Speaking of gear, I find the palret trinket amusing

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Like, I could see gigabrain strats

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Where 1 person seppukus so every single dps can regain this trinket use for a burst window or something

balmy condor
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Stack 6 shamans and 12 warlocks

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Just self heal dps race and if you die you come back

night delta
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x)

supple snow
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Wouldn’t getting a pally in there be good? Can tank and if people die free AW 🤌

subtle tundra
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except first boss on tyrannical

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fuck that

green harbor
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he just needs to.... empty his hold! ahahahahahaha

subtle tundra
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AH I WANT M+

tulip nacelle
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I can't wait for m+ brd Smilers

dense cedar
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Deadmines M+ when

subtle tundra
terse otter
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second week of m0's will be meh 😛

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we get m0 for 2 weeks right ?

muted ridge
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I just checked out Whispyrs method guide and I dont really understand the opener. What CP's should we have for 2nd Rupture and how much CP after Deathmark?

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subtle tundra
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read what ER does!

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its really cool

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you should have 2-3 cp

dense hamlet
muted ridge
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ye ik

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but is it guarranteed it drops on empowered cp?

oak sky
thorn crater
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weird question is tehre a way to do previous tier raid finder for xmogs?

subtle tundra
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yes

muted ridge
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oke

oak sky
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You would have 3cp going into deathmark

subtle tundra
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you choose both ER talents

oak sky
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From shrouded suff garrote

subtle tundra
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and then last one is the more animacharged cp one

muted ridge
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so if lucky after Deathmark I hit animacharged

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Aight, thank you

subtle tundra
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not really

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you sbs garrote

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which is uh

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like 5 cp

muted ridge
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ugh, isnt sbs 1cp and garrote 2?

subtle tundra
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garrote is 3cp

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its vanish garrote

muted ridge
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oh right, ss makes it to 3?

subtle tundra
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yes

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i still dont know how much sbs is supposed to give

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on first use

muted ridge
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1

subtle tundra
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  • 1 cp per active bone spike
muted ridge
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so still 1

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in opener

subtle tundra
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i kinda rember getting 3cp

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maybe im tripping

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but also it doesnt matter in opener

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if you get 4 or 5 cp

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cause 4 is anima charged

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and 5 is normal rule

muted ridge
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ye i was really confused there with how much CP we are supposed to have

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a bit annoying we dont know what build is used for the rotation

subtle tundra
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wdym

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its the same opener for both kb and dtb

muted ridge
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I guess its given if all builds have SS

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just a bit confusing

subtle tundra
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you always get SS

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20% garrote dmg all the time

muted ridge
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ye I see now, didn't know it was default for all builds

green harbor
subtle tundra
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yes i know seal fate

muted ridge
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well ty

oak sky
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I think the conduit fucked with it somehow

muted ridge
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well we dont care about conduits

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do we?

oak sky
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Yeah theyre gone

muted ridge
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exactly

oak sky
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But i was reminding him why

subtle tundra
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well how was i supposed to know it was caused by the conduit

oak sky
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It might have happened in the past

subtle tundra
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i'd think the ability from covenant would behave the same as the one from the tree

muted ridge
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it does

subtle tundra
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yea

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but the whole expac i've been getting 3cp sometimes

muted ridge
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crits

oak sky
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I think it was some weird buggy interaction

subtle tundra
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buddy

oak sky
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With sudden fractures

subtle tundra
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i know crits exist

muted ridge
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or unity?

subtle tundra
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no

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buddy

oak sky
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Unity doesnt work on st my friend

subtle tundra
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are you ignoring what agreon

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is saying

muted ridge
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yes :^]

subtle tundra
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he is part of the conversation

muted ridge
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im just thinking what other stuff could give cp

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other than conduit

oak sky
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So things that didnt give cp and werent the reason why you would sometimes get 3?

subtle tundra
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well good to know its not bugged anymore

oak sky
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Yeah dont think it is

muted ridge
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You think 3cp was a bug?

oak sky
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Bug or weird interaction

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Its hard to distinguish

subtle tundra
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logically, reading the tooltip, yea

oak sky
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I think it was something with the application tick getting buffed by SF then also having seal fate proc

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Something like that

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Whispyr might remember better

muted ridge
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Wait you said conduit gave additional CP?

oak sky
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It doesn't

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It was some weird buggy thing that went with the conduit iirc

muted ridge
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it doesnt make sense how you could get 3cp from single sbs xd

subtle tundra
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but it happened

muted ridge
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legit nothing gives extra beside fate

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yeah

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I bet it did

oak sky
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Aka it was a bug

muted ridge
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A lot of weird things happened.

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I personally never encountered 3cp first throw so im a bit confused.

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but, lets say its bug

green harbor
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unless we're talking about opener, you get 1 cp on cast, 1 cp because bonespike is on the target and 1 cp from crit

subtle tundra
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not really

oak sky
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Yeah its opener im just trying to remember what weird thing caused it

muted ridge
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ye opener

oak sky
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Thereve been too many sbs bugs

limber lion
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So the interaction was just another case of networking issue, same with the 2.5s Sepsis thing we found out later.

Basically you would throw your SBS and the game would look at the target to see if it has sbs already applied and because it happens the same game tick as the actual cp being granted, sometimes the game would think thr target has sbs already applied and thus grants you 2cp, which could turn to 3cp with SF.

subtle tundra
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i wonder if that still happens in df

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havent noticed it in beta

muted ridge
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interesting interraction

limber lion
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Afaik Realz knew about it, so who knows. Hopefully it's gone.

balmy condor
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it got fixed

subtle tundra
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cool!

balmy condor
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sbs now always grants 1cp to start

subtle tundra
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why they nerf us

muted ridge
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sick

limber lion
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pls fix

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:')

muted ridge
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aight, so then its 1 +3 into empowered in that scenario (previous convo)

oak sky
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I remembered it mostly right peepohappy

muted ridge
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ye I never encountered that bug during whole SL. Got lucky I guess

limber lion
oak sky
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I barely played necro tbh but i thought i remembered it happening in like heroic week of sod or something

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And i probably asked about it here waaaay back or saw someone else talk about it

obsidian spade
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what affix are we taking in keys?

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haste?

oak sky
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For the next 2 days or so? Probably crit but mastery is probably fine too

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Or even haste really

obsidian spade
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bet ty

night delta
balmy condor
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that sequence will always work

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with 0 thought required

night delta
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Still don't understand by what trickery the sim figured a gar after snd is better than mut/ambush

balmy condor
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rup -> er -> rup will always consume either cp2 or cp3, sbs is 1 or 2 cp, vanish garrote is always 3, which means the envenom will always consume either cp4 or cp5

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so both of them will be 7cp animacharged

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regardless of crit rng

night delta
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Like, we refresh it too soon for this to even matter. Its a gcd spent on 0 dmg

balmy condor
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well it gives cp and also forces an instant tick

muted ridge
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thank you for clarification

balmy condor
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it's 1 gcd in opener

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doesn't really matter

night delta
balmy condor
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you could make an argument for ambush snd gar for the same reason

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wdym

thorn crater
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which it is

balmy condor
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I simmed it and the bot said "lmao dunno it's so close don't care"

thorn crater
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so it isnt

balmy condor
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generally anything less than 0.3% isn't something we really consider unless it also makes clear logical sense

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but changing it from gar snd gar to ambush snd gar actually just sims within margin of error

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which is the sims way of saying do whatever the fuck you want

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so we just stick with whatever

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if sims cant tell the difference in 10-12 thousand pulls, no human will ever tell the difference in their 300 pull prog boss

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just be like that

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sims aren't perfect, and they aren't designed to be

night delta
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Sure, I'm savvy enough that I wasn't gonna apply this gar > snd > gar strat anyway, I was just wondering is all

balmy condor
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yeh I mean you can do what you want

thorn crater
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btw is the 2 cp SND enough to get you to the first envenom?

balmy condor
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gar snd gar happens to be the most consistent, but changing 1 gcd in an opener isn't going to destroy anything and sims can't tell the difference

thorn crater
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no idea on the duration of that shit

balmy condor
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1 used to be enough but with all the setup it's a little sketchy

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2 is fine though

thorn crater
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next stream monday?

subtle tundra
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isnt it 3 cp

balmy condor
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yap

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monday expac launch

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very sick

thorn crater
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level up gameplay

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so good

balmy condor
subtle tundra
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ay

balmy condor
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I can't wait to explain the opener 25 times

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probably just gonna add an explanation into the guides at some point

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once I know what the main questions are

thorn crater
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i think most people wont bother looking up what ER is/does

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so that will be one point of contention

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the other will be about pandemic

balmy condor
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yeh

thorn crater
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and the third will be why shiv after KB

balmy condor
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that's what I'm seeing in my dm's mostly

thorn crater
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oh and another one would be for the early vanish

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for sure

balmy condor
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it's "why 2 rupture" and then "why the ER", and then there's a couple "why vanish" and the least asked is "why shiv"

subtle tundra
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why play

balmy condor
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id say about 90% of the questions atm are why 2 rupture and why er

thorn crater
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vanish :kappa:

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why vanish when you can get sepsis and use that instead

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4head

balmy condor
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I'm keeping a list of things I need to talk about in my guides for season 1 update

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neverending guide writing

dense cedar
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should simply answer people with

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"i dunno"

balmy condor
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reflects poorly on me tho

dense cedar
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true

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i'll do it for u then

balmy condor
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can you imagine

dense cedar
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a moral victory

balmy condor
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"went to rogue discord, guide writer said he didn't know when I asked a basic question, bunch of clowns over there"

vestal wren
night delta
subtle tundra
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actually use tricks

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not redirect

night delta
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"I'm gonna need you wayyyyy off my back about that exsanguinate thing"

balmy condor
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it's honestly brutal

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when you have 2 builds basically identical

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and there's like 5 permutations for each of them

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openers with exsang, without exsang, with kingsbane, without kingsbane, with sbs, without sbs, I have to to pvp guides too so I got that swimming in my head

next edge
subtle tundra
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surprised how close dtb and kb are, actually identical 0.01% difference

balmy condor
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it's an alphabet soup in my brain and I'm starting to lose it

next edge
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like its crazy

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prolly if you have only 1 rogue DTB wins value?

subtle tundra
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it was 0.01 when i checked today

next edge
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because double utility poison

vestal wren
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peepoyes 0.08

subtle tundra
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screw you

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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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or the burst

subtle tundra
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screw me

dense cedar
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i mean u can only run 1 good utility poison

balmy condor
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kingsbane is ahead in execute by 8%

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is that important to you?

subtle tundra
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no

vestal wren
night delta
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Damn

dense cedar
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8% stronger in the fan-shitting phase

subtle tundra
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77 dps difference, i know what im choosing.

balmy condor
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they both take blindside and at least 1 point of zold

simple hornet
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execute is yuge value no

balmy condor
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did you expect a 25% shift from 2 zold points

dense cedar
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dtb is just pretty snoozy

vestal wren
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execute def. relevant to decide between KB and DTB

dense cedar
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most default possible sin gameplay

next edge
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Yeah there's some thinking behind it

vestal wren
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i think i could add a sim for it to the sheet

night delta
next edge
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execute is really important

balmy condor
next edge
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that adding this info

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could be important

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otherwise can be a bit "missleading" (not the word but can't think other one)

dense cedar
next edge
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well, just an extra information there.

night delta
dense cedar
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as much as people don't like exsang

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we will just lvie with it lol

night delta
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Well yeah, but that won't stop me from complaining from time to time

dense cedar
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we aren't taking CT in ST so im happy

balmy condor
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on the plus side, MA wins in 6+ target sustain

night delta
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Even when the dust has settled

balmy condor
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no

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complain always

night delta
dense cedar
balmy condor
dense cedar
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always the most classic ones in an expansion

balmy condor
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I saw you

dense cedar
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i didn't raid WoD

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💀

balmy condor
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I took the gamble

dense cedar
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i did siege then unsubbed

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then came back for return of khara

balmy condor
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baited by bc

night delta
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I skipped through MoP, WoD and Legion

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That was a shock on return

balmy condor
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I started on wod expac launch

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and then took a break for crucible

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and skipped 9.2.5

dense cedar
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remember how BfA launch didn't have a dagger WQ reward for like 6 weeks

balmy condor
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I do

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I also remember farming WQ trinkets in legion

dense cedar
balmy condor
dense cedar
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love when the game is really normal

night delta
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Very human design

balmy condor
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cmon....cmon.... this is the one that titanforges +90

dense cedar
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I remember getting sephuz in legion

night delta
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Glad I dodged the worst of Titanforging

dense cedar
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and having to explain how its affect basically does nothing

night delta
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That was a mess

dense cedar
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to my gm

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remember when haste was like

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truly dead

balmy condor
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I remember self-healing through hatecoil on a tyrannical 23 with prydaz and valeera while I watched my hunter die to do the damage over and over

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0 healing from the healer directed at me

dense cedar
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i miss old feint

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when we getting maw of souls in M+ again

vestal wren
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alright

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dense cedar
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kb defs favourable

jaunty lotus
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Did haste become less valuable for assassination? It was the top stat during shadowlands, right?

tacit iris
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im trying to understand the assa rotation. Why is it that we do not exanguinate during deathmark?

dense cedar
tacit iris
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yes

dense cedar
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so it'd delete half of its duration

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the double bleed/poison part is attached to this duration

tacit iris
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oh so the 100% dmg increase to lethal posons is during those 16 seconds

vestal wren
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i think the table does not need the baseline

dense cedar
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well also

tacit iris
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ah

dense cedar
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u can just put more bleeds on during dm

vestal wren
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but well

tacit iris
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ok gotcha

balmy condor
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to both

tacit iris
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used to thing assa was straight forward, man ws I wrong

jaunty lotus
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Awesome, looks like all 3 specs really like crit now, will make it easier to swap between

dense cedar
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seal fate gaming

subtle tundra
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none likes haste

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cool

dense cedar
night delta
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Tbf haste in low to moderate amounts is nothing to scoff at either

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We don't actively avoid it, just don't seek it either

jaunty lotus
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For the folks that been playing the pre patch, does having cheat death + leeching poison improve your survivability significantly?

vestal wren
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chat death is a rly nice qol thing

dense cedar
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Leech isn't too bad at all

neon kindle
subtle tundra
eternal vortex
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is there any big difference between amp poison and deadly poison? it feels weird to play with amp poison for me atleast

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or maybe i just stress on it too much

balmy condor
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in the 70 builds where you take PB amp is pretty much required to get PB because TTK is terribad

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it's just as passive as deadly

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should make no difference

neat plank
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how come on single targets its optimal to double garrote on pull, thats weird

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does mutilate suck that much

night delta
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Nah the bot just doesn't care really

subtle tundra
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i start to understand whispyrs despair

night delta
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Low opti opportunity

subtle tundra
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same questions so many times

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that like... dont matter?

neat plank
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yeah so theres probably not much difference ok

subtle tundra
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its passive

eternal vortex
dense cedar
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i mean there's like no way to play around amp is there

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it just happens sometimes

eternal vortex
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i was just confused with tracking it

dense cedar
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idk what ur trying to trakc

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in normal gameplay its pretty unlikely u over cap

eternal vortex
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sorry for being a normie PepeHHand

subtle tundra
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do you track alacrity and get mad when it falls?

eternal vortex
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no

subtle tundra
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good

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cause the solution would've been to stop tracking that too

eternal vortex
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okay buddy sorry for asking questions xd

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wont happen again xd

subtle tundra
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huh

dense cedar
subtle kiln
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hah. exsang is a meme in felhammer.

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neat plank
bold drum
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Not wrong exsangyay

eternal vortex
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is this a thing? my alt is also a havoc dh...

subtle kiln
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is what a thing?

neat plank
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i always said DHs are just wannabe rogues

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they dress like us

subtle kiln
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realz getting exsang poked from both rogue and havoc discords dracthyr_kek

pure raptor
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
subtle kiln
#

hmm. doggo santa hat or exsang santa hat

keen pilot
#

Hey guys, a question: in the guide pinned, it's said that you can't use exsanguinate during Death Mark. Why is that?

subtle kiln
#

it destroys your dps

spice spire
keen pilot
#

That's why in the opener you use Exsang before Death Mark, right?

#

It makes so much sense now. Hahaha

subtle kiln
#

you’re never using it during and want it on cooldown asap

#

that’s why it’s there in the opener.

merry cradle
#

Should I use CT for bosses/ single target in m+ ?

spice spire
#

If you’re talented into it, more than likely to maintain as a dot

merry cradle
#

thanks

whole mason
#

so it's better to sync vanish to DM now?

meager granite
#

It's the circle of life

thorny pond
#

DHs build to have an auto spender

#

Fucking weak

white temple
#

I need a suggestion. I'm trying to get the +20 portals, need to do lower Kara (last ditch effort). What kind of build should I be running in this tyr week?

quasi ledge
#

Trash heavy, go the AoE/M+ build from the guides

subtle kiln
#

people just hear momentum and freak

#

it’ll be like watching rogues play without cheat death. going to see who was a 2 button andy or who can actually raid as a dh

white temple
tacit oar
#

But in was in pvp

#

So target died before end of death mark anyways

#

And the burst was enormous

#

Healer could not react

#

Does it really change anything ? Yeah death mark duration is divided by 2 but bleeds also ticks 2 times faster so isn't it the same damage and the end ?

uncut echo
#

Its just half the damage

#

So yoy'd theoretically do double the dam

#

It's better to have had not press it

subtle tundra
#

if you half dm's duration you also half the time the 2x bleeds are on the mob

tacit oar
#

yeah but exsanguinate empower the bleeds of deathmaeks

subtle tundra
#

yes but you can press it before deathmark

burnt star
tacit oar
#

Does it work on bleeds that you apply after ?

subtle tundra
#

wat

#

you press dm and it doubles your bleeds

tacit oar
#

So it doubles the empowered bleeds from exsanguinate

subtle tundra
#

yes

tacit oar
#

Oh ok yeah I understand now

burnt star
#

Ya make sure u exsanguinatw before d.m

#

But never during dm

subtle kiln
burnt star
#

Because dm is a bleed and u will just half your c.d

royal lantern
#

sure

#

100%

short night
#

hi

#

are the atroph poison and the other one fixed?

#

there was a buf right?

#

bug

subtle kiln
royal lantern
#

they press rupture

#

why no dmg?????

#

eyebeam does dmg????

#

or have 1 dead gcd and go full outlaw saying that they have 20apm kekdog

short night
#

could anyone send like a basic opener for the wowhead st kingsbane build

royal lantern
short night
#

yeah, that one

royal lantern
#

read your talents mate 🙂

#

improved garrote

short night
#

i know what it does

#

but why rupture with 2 cp..?

royal lantern
#

pandemic

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2cp rupture

#

er and 7cp rupture for max pandemic

onyx wind
short night
#

isnt the method talent build that this is based on a lvl 70 build..?

#

@royal lantern

royal lantern
#

yes

#

dude

#

lvl 70 is in 3days lol

subtle kiln
#

you were saying about dh players looking at assa

honest vessel
#

sims were done trying to move them around into a different order

#

they were basically all the same

onyx wind
#

makes sense

#

since dm is 16 seconds, 15 if u count the global

#

and kb is 14 seconds

#

so u wanna cast it on the 1st and 2nd global

uncut echo
#

I mean you cast them together because dm gives you energy to go brr during kb

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And you always sync your dam cds together

honest vessel
#

it's just going shiv-env-kb loses a second of kb inside dm

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so you have to do a weird order

hardy dagger
#

But I guess the kb without dm you would shiv kb?

honest vessel
#

generally i think so, but every other kb will be in dm

oblique tangle
#

Guys I'm so scared

#

My friends want to do m+ df content and we all have the same 252 item level right

onyx wind
oblique tangle
#

I did 50% of boss health and topped aoe meters how do I tell them they suck without telling them they suck???

willow rapids
#

you don't, you just feel good about your performance for yourself!

oblique tangle
#

WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO

gusty mirage
#

And then throw your computer out of the window

oblique tangle
gusty mirage
#

I believe in your carry

oblique tangle
#

I don't

gusty mirage
#

You can carry them to victory

#

Mind over matter

oblique tangle
#

I've been out of this game for two years I'm basically washed up

gusty mirage
#

Idk man I had an old friend message me to do a 13 upper

#

2nd place dps was 13k dps behind me

oblique tangle
#

Bruh

strange python
#

yo

thorny pond
#

Yea man

#

Big swinging

strange python
#

what does mean about lethal and non-lethal poisons

thorny pond
#

Really showed them

oblique tangle
#

I was only doing 9k dps myself

thorny pond
gusty mirage
#

Crippling/atrophic/numbing are non lethal

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Deadly/instant/wound/amp are lethal

thorny pond
#

Deadly wound amp vs mind numbing

gusty mirage
oblique tangle
thorny pond
#

You’ve got the fastest fingers oxi

strange python
#

so

strange python
thorny pond
#

I’m also stuck in a McD line for the pregnant wife so not winning anything today

strange python
#

so criplling is movement speed,atropih is 3% dr but how can you rise it more? and also numbing is less cast time right? also

#

what are difference between deadly,instant and amp

oblique tangle
thorny pond
oblique tangle
gusty mirage
thorny pond
strange python
#

so deadly is dot damage

gusty mirage
#

Yeppers

oblique tangle
#

DID YOU?

strange python
#

and instant is instant damage?

gusty mirage
#

Ye

strange python
#

i see

#

so in pvp

#

it would be wounds + numbing or crippling

thorny pond
#

You get some sleep oxi

strange python
#

and in pve

#

it would be instant or deadly or amp?

#

oh

gusty mirage
#

For pvp you’d play amp poison and you’d play crippling and numbing for non lethals and amp/wound for lethal

strange python
#

with talent

#

we can have 4 poisons

#

like

#

wound + instant or wound + deadly poison or wound + amp and those useful utility

#

that sounds broken,right

oblique tangle
thorny pond
#

DTB is meh talent
Not that busted

gusty mirage
oblique tangle
#

It'll increase atrophic by .6%!

strange python
#

ih

toxic barn
#

according to this very discord, its on par with Kingsbane for ST, and suboptimal for m+

#

AFAIK

strange python
#

so lets see

#

with master poisoner

#

it owuld be 3.6

#

but i heard somewhere it can go up to 7%

blazing totem
#

no it can't

royal lantern
#

that was some stuff people made up early on

#

cus they thought shiv would increase it

#

(it doesnt)

strange python
#

i see

#

so its 3.67

#

3.6

#

right?

royal lantern
#

3,6 or 3%

strange python
#

does it make difference if it were between 3 and 3.6%?

royal lantern
#

not really

blazing totem
#

nah not worth

royal lantern
#

thats a really minor thing at that point

strange python
#

i see

blazing totem
#

ask yourself

#

how much value does 0,6% dr have

#

how much it saves you in a boss fight

strange python
#

nothing i think?

#

since it would be 3-4%

blazing totem
#

also not every boss attack is affected by it so

strange python
#

they are not affected about it?

#

not even players?

royal lantern
#

the thing is more like

#

not all dmg comes from the boss

blazing totem
#

some boss attacks are coded differently

royal lantern
#

and the debuff is only on the boss

#

example? when sludgefist runs against a pillar, the huge raid dmg is not from sludgefist himself, but from the envoirment and doesnt get reduced then

#

and we have stuff like that quiet often

oblique tangle
#

Atrophic comes in handy when enemies hit you for a along time

crystal delta
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
forest junco
#

How's Assassination looking in Dragonlands?

#

Compared to the other specs

honest vessel
#

zac's wa's are also good

#

do the same command in outlaw channel

#

sin it looking giga st rn

#

outlaw best 2t, sub best 3+

#

but sin is competitive everywhere its looking like

#

c:

#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
thorny pond
#

Just have fun!!! It’s a game

honest vessel
#

see more there

#

sometimes fun = picking the best spec for the situation

strange python
#

to be more annoying,riught

blazing totem
#

if you pick DTB then yeah

strange python
#

amp is much better version of instant poison

blazing totem
#

amp is better than deadly

oblique tangle
#

Amp is chad

blazing totem
#

best lethal poison

royal lantern
#

thats why its a talent

oblique tangle
#

That's why you would use Amp and deadly together

royal lantern
#

like, if it would be WORSE then deadly, something is wrong lol

strange python
#

what about wounds?

#

imagine using double wounds

#

xd

royal lantern
#

pvp lol

strange python
#

also that tea seems really good talent point

#

it is?

flat spire
#

Hey guys i just do m+ in this game. Assassination rogue or havoc?

strange python
#

go ass rogue

#

havoc is for childplay

royal lantern
#

yes

#

havoc mains come here

oblique tangle
flat spire
oblique tangle
#

Np

blazing totem
gentle apex
#

Question: What was the icky knife build for level 70

woven bane
#

so it looks like assa is only a bit ahead in st and the rest still outlul meta

uncut echo
#

No

#

It is wildly ahead st

gentle apex
#

logs will be the truth teller

#

does anyone have the DTB talent spread

uncut echo
#

Should be on the pins

gentle apex
#

Everything is level 60 in the pins

uncut echo
#

Whispyr's new df guide

#

Ye it's there

gentle apex
#

ah silly me found it

#

like I'm down to play exsang if I can use DTB, but idk if I could avoid screwing up KB sang

simple gulch
#

imagine exsanguinate on aoe

oblique tangle
vestal cliff
#

Can someone explain me how kingsbane and deathmark work?

thorny pond
blazing totem
#

just make exsang not targeted

#

you just pop it

#

it applies to aoe

thorny pond
#

Ok John Wick

slim hamlet
#

250% dmg increase to take in aoe

#

yep

#

probably more because it syncs with IC now

gentle apex
thorny pond
#

Make KB benefit from all poison ticks in AoE

slim hamlet
#

Omega ultra funnel

gentle apex
#

If a target dies with exsang it should explode for % max hp dam

slim hamlet
#

I think exsang should just one shot tbh

thorny pond
#

Exsang should make bleeds tick faster every time you apply a poison, in AoE of course

oblique tangle
#

Exsang should be off gcd

gray crest
#

Exsang should do my taxes for me

gusty mirage
thorny pond
#

You can file your taxes for free

#

Don’t be fooled

gray crest
thorny pond
#

Make exsang defensive
Every time something bleed damages under exsang, the rogue gains an exsanguinary bubble

gusty mirage
#

you can suffer playing outlaw with me

gray crest
#

of course, id rather put a toothpick under my big toe and kick a wall than play arcane the way it is now

gusty mirage
#

ye fair enough

simple gulch
gray crest
#

40 second burn time before haste giga cringe

simple gulch
gray crest
#

your burst rotation takes 40 seconds to do. and your only movement is PoM and clear castings, but even then you have to bank clear castings

simple gulch
#

I was trying to figure out how to do the rotation but it seemd to much so i just logged off lmao

vestal cliff
simple gulch
#

I'm still not sure what I want to main

thorny pond
simple gulch
#

and it's annoying

thorny pond
simple gulch
#

It's between rogue and dk

vestal cliff
#

Does kingsbane get stronger with new poison application or with poison tick dmg?

waxen pulsar
#

Any assa pvp enjoyers can help me with some talent choices?

vestal cliff
night delta
#

that's the gist of it

#

you wanna also hold shiv to always use them during KB

thorny pond
vestal cliff
#

Where is the Guide

gusty mirage
thorny pond
#

Rotation

vestal cliff
#

Nice one ty!!

gusty mirage
#

soon ™️ it'll be in the FAQ

thorny pond
#

I used to have a word doc of frequent topics here so I could copy paste

blazing totem
simple gulch
#

I saw fire mage sims like 53k

#

that's kinda low, isn't it?

#

unless there's something im missing

#

arcane was 70k

celest helm
#

good

#

about time fire was shit

gray crest
#

I give it a few weeks before they buff it

royal lantern
#

^

#

its fire mage

#

they will complain until fire is the best mage spec again

#

the horror of playing frost or arcane

night delta
#

53k monotarget ? what ?

#

aren't we simming sin at 90k+ ?

#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
gusty mirage
simple gulch
#

yeah it's 1 target

gusty mirage
#

our cloth wearing friends tend to either sandbag their sims or put fuck all effort into optimizing their APL

#

remember when fire mage "found a small dps increase" of 2k dps in 9.0?

simple gulch
#

lmao

night delta
#

pretty new to class discords in general

simple gulch
#

yeah I figure there's no way that's not sandbagged

night delta
#

I didn't think this was this bad holy shit

#

either that or there is a tremendous balance problem

gusty mirage
#

yeah 53k ST in bis gear set ups is almost as troll as tettles saying boomkin is undertuned

#

53k in tier set + first tier ilvl makes sense though

simple gulch
simple gulch
#

am i missing something?

#

how are our sims like 90k?

royal lantern
#

its not even a meme

#

there is a reason why warlocks always tell you that warlock is not that strong

#

their sims suck and put them at the bottom half cus of it

simple gulch
#

lmao what's this

image.png
royal lantern
#

and in the game? warlock just curpstomps everything

gusty kestrel
#

love people throwing around random numbers that cant even be compared

royal lantern
gusty kestrel
#

the fire mage sims have no gear and made up equalized stats

next edge
#

Aren't ST sims around 95k now

gusty kestrel
#

so please stop comparing

simple gulch
next edge
#

Boomkins and Warlocks are so delusional it's crazy

gusty kestrel
#

so are you using full mythic ilvl numbers to compare already

gusty mirage
gentle apex
#

Ever wow schizo has been a pally or a hunter

#

That I've met

night delta
royal lantern
#

when people have, well, almost no gear

gusty kestrel
#

its to sim random gear with x ilvl

royal lantern
#

and no tier, no bis trinket etc...

night delta
#

ah I took "no gear" literally

gusty kestrel
#

it has tier and only compares talents

night delta
#

I was like "what"

gusty mirage
gusty kestrel
next edge
#

idk just nerf sin

gusty kestrel
#

yes cause patchwerk sims really mean anything

gray crest
#

no need to nerf sin, just make a bunch of the fights cleave fights

gusty kestrel
#

please nerf a spec cause of a fight simulation that doesnt exist

gusty mirage
next edge
gusty mirage
#

blizz needs to nerf tisu otherwise bdgg just ez wins RWF

#

tisu 2 strong

night delta
#

Is sin a big outlier as far as far as patchwerk sims go ?

next edge
#

Idk i'll just play sub I don't want to pplay same spec as Oxi

gusty mirage
#

you enjoy that

gusty kestrel
#

literally no one cares

gray crest
#

I cry everytime someone mentions sub post legion

simple gulch
#

sub post legion

gray crest
simple gulch
#

what's arcane rotation like?

#

on st

next edge
viscid spear
#

This is a Rogue channel SCangerygun

simple gulch
#

I was asking Roujin

dark token
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
simple gulch
#

since he's mage main

#

lmao

viscid spear
simple gulch
gray crest
viscid spear
#

It'd be best to be good with all three specs, but definitely Frost & Fire more than Arcane

#

Arcane is the Subtlety of Mage specs, delusion abound DoubleHeHe

terse otter
#

How new raid is looking? I mean how many single target fights we know allready ?

simple gulch
#

ONly one I think

#

Terros

terse otter
#

That's not good for us i guess? Toxic

simple gulch
#

st is not the only thing we're good at

royal lantern
dark token
simple gulch
#

I don't think so

sand sigil
royal lantern
#

like, for sustained situations? its somewhat allright

#

but raid cleave/aoe doesnt tend to be sustained, and more "adds spawn, kill them in 10seconds or you wipe" situations

#

and assa is really really bad for those

dark token
#

double scent of blood and we can be good in aoe copium

gusty mirage
#

are we back to dooming?

#

god I can't wait for monday to put this channel in slowmode

viscid spear
royal lantern
vernal adder
#

im cooming

regal dune
#

If you reapply a bleed under exsang does it overwrite the dmg?

earnest imp
#

It makes a new dot without exsang I assume, otherwise exsang would last forever

#

Maybe that's the solution how to change exsang!

honest vessel
#

The new dot will overwrite the previous

#

That's how snapshotting works

#

The xsanged dot also snapshots your haste at the time of casting

kindred rapids
#

Oh shit I forgot about cleave

honest vessel
#

So using like a haste trinket after pressing exsang won't speed the bleeds up

kindred rapids
#

Spec is doomed

regal dune
#

Got it, that's what I was assuming. Just unfortunate since you need to remember when it's safe to reapply in those last couple seconds and when you need to wait for the full expiration

honest vessel
#

Some say unfortunate, I think it's fun c:

regal dune
#

True

honest vessel
#

It's what feral is based around

#

I think all dots used to function like that

#

Not sure when tho

regal dune
#

I think it's more from mechanic stand point that I think it's odd. They added the ability to reapply a DoT in the last few seconds and have that time added to the next DoT so that you have a wider window for reapplying and don't miss a tick but then with exsang you throw that whole thing out the window.

spice spire
#

GM pt 2, we dooming?

honest vessel
#

Ye it's just better to let all the exsang ticks tick out

#

Cuz 1 sec of exsang is better than 1 sec of not exsanged

#

It definitely does turn that kind of play upsidedown

regal dune
#

It does keep you engaged, but in terms of min maxing is it better to let it expire and potentially miss a tick or is it safe to reapply in the last second. I assume the math is if 1 second under exsang is = 2 secs then you want to use that last second under exang even if you end up missing 1 second of tick before you reapply.

honest vessel
#

Nah u just let it run out and refresh as soon as it falls off

tacit oar
#

Hey @balmy condor, why do we refresh garrote and rupture so much in the opener ?

honest vessel
#

You gotta get max bleed duration for exsang

celest helm
#

always wonder how much Whispyr enjoys being pinged 500 times a day

tacit oar
#

Yeah I understand but why garrote right after slice n dice

next edge
tacit oar
#

Garrote slice n dice garrote

next edge
#

and your still inside improved

tacit oar
#

Oh for the pandemic

honest vessel
#

We thought about changing it since you vanish garrote soon after

tacit oar
#

Kk

honest vessel
#

But mut and ambush were no better

next edge
#

Tbh

#

the opener

#

is fkng ass

#

ngl

tacit oar
honest vessel
#

And sbs causes there to be cringe rng with er

#

So you just garrote

tacit oar
#

Well okay that's kinda counter intuitive

honest vessel
#

Ye it's wacky as hell

#

Like 50 hoops to jump thru each in a different state

next edge
#

opener sucks

#

honestly

#

xd

honest vessel
#

I love it

tacit oar
#

So we refresh all bleeds before the 2nd deathmark exsang window

celest helm
#

side note shoutout this visual representation, this is clutch as fuck

unknown.png
tacit oar
#

Yup

honest vessel
#

Ye it's a sick picture

celest helm
#

im a visual learner, so reading is one thing but seeing the images helps me remember and think it through better

honest vessel
#

For sure

gusty mirage
honest vessel
#

I just have to try it until I get it

celest helm
#

+1

#

👀

subtle tundra
#

Wwo

tacit oar
#

Do we hold exsang for the 2nd deathmark

dense cedar
#

no

honest vessel
#

Nope

#

Exsang on cd on cd

tacit oar
#

So we only align every 6 mn or so