assassination

[burnt star]

I mean. Looking at patchwork right now. Dtb/kingbane build are pretry much a choice

It is a choice lol

And outlaw had one before too before the build got wrecked by nerf

[onyx wind]

its gonna depend on uptime/boss mechanic timings most of all

[honest vessel]

ah but then you could say "burst is better if overall damage is the same"

there's always a line you could draw

[slim hamlet]

Under 1% imo

[honest vessel]

to make there be 'no choice'

[slim hamlet]

Maybe 2% but that's stretching

[honest vessel]

it's just up to you to draw the line

thats my only point

[subtle tundra]

yea if you lose kb casts cause of mechanics/ it makes it not line up with dm etc it could be worse

[onyx wind]

ok i will draw the line guys

for all of us

[burnt star]

At the end of the line if both achieve anything within damage variation difference. Its a choice

[honest vessel]

oh shit

[subtle tundra]

youre welcome

[slim hamlet]

Was about to say

[honest vessel]

he beat you to it

[onyx wind]

i need to impose my subjective idea on u all

[slim hamlet]

if someone screenshotted a paint image of a line

[burnt star]

It doest matter how spiky your damage is if the end line = same

[balmy condor]

Venthyr boomkin?

[subtle tundra]

well burst can be assigned for dps checks

[onyx wind]

u would hope blizzard designed talents to be better in certain situations

[honest vessel]

burst is better if you can use it around required downtime too

[onyx wind]

HOLD DPS

HOLD! DPS!

[honest vessel]

oh boy

sorry raid leader my kb dm is already on the boss

[subtle tundra]

thats when i get the glue to sniff some

[onyx wind]

any artificer enjoyers?

[honest vessel]

what're you gonna do to me step raid leader

[onyx wind]

uhm technically uhhh. ... in this particular.. scenario

🤓

[slim hamlet]

Simply won't move if this happens

can't make me

[honest vessel]

oh but what if they're an evoker

or priest

uh oh

[onyx wind]

we always held dps on artificer just as shadowblades came off cd

So i stated delaying the cast to feel less bad

[subtle tundra]

we have double shadowstep for a reason

[honest vessel]

now we're cookin with gas

[fallen charm]

have they decreased the range of FoK with flying daggers and acrobatic strike?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[balmy condor]

Yeh couple weeks ago from 15 to 12

[subtle tundra]

i think i did manage to pull mobs with IC

i think it was me atleast

[onyx wind]

make fok 40 yards asap

[honest vessel]

no pls

god no

[fallen charm]

dang

[honest vessel]

barrage in all directions

makes me shudder

[subtle tundra]

MoS with a hunter

🥰

[onyx wind]

its our turn

[subtle tundra]

sprint ahead in the boat, tricks tank, fok

[onyx wind]

MoS 😔

[kind forge]

the best thing in MoS was to dfa through the ship

[celest helm]

Im excited to pull mobs with the flame ring trinket

[twin pivot]

Swapping from outlaw to sin b like graduating from middle school and starting ur MBA

[honest vessel]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[honest vessel]

!expert

[prisma monolith]

Expert mode allowes you to use custom apl parmeters.
You can toggle it with a checkmark under custom apl.
Video on how to activate/use it: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/871024892814979082/2021-07-31_15-41-07.mp4

[subtle tundra]

The heck does that mean

[honest vessel]

i think hes sayin sin is hard

[subtle tundra]

Ok

Is it tho

🤓

[vestal wren]

i totally forgot that i added that command

[honest vessel]

yeah i used the help command and saw it

and i 'd

[subtle tundra]

There's a help command?

I can get help?

[gusty mirage]

not that kind of help varas

[subtle tundra]

[gusty mirage]

[heavy vessel]

What if exsanguinate was like old combust. “Take all your bleed damage and roll it into 1 bleed over X seconds” (bonus points if the duration is the CD so it’s always up but you’re trying to get the biggest bleeds before you pop it)

[balmy condor]

then envenom might as well not exist

[heavy vessel]

If it’s a long enough cd could be a back and forth of setting up bleed phase, then envenom/shiv/kb phase.

[thorny pond]

blegh

[solid mica]

What if exang did a shit ton of dmg on a short cooldown and we didnt ask to nerf it

[strange python]

I'd rather have other things buffed up to disincentivize it rather than just nerfing it

[subtle tundra]

It's still a 7% 1 point node low in the tree.

A big outlier

And if they straight up removed it assa would be on par with sub st

[burnt latch]

What if exsang called upon the armies of the Old and summoned 5 copies of yourself in old school gear to devastate the enemy team and copy your attacks for 45 seconds

[uncut echo]

Exsang earth and fire

[strange python]

Could it randomly send a clone to kill a level 30 questing so they whine on wow forums again?

[burnt latch]

Yes

[hollow barn]

What if exsang did no damage but gave you a good nights sleep and perfect body health

[strange python]

I'm on board for more LFR players complaining about getting tanked in world pvp

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/no-hard-pass-no-thanks-im-good-ill-pass-gif-5234770

[twin pivot]

compared to outlaw?

yes

[burnt latch]

[twin pivot]

if you've practiced a spec for quite some time then no spec in wow is hard

[solid mica]

I was implying just keeping it as is

[gusty mirage]

why is this emote called potato?

[hollow barn]

That’s a potato, obviously

[gusty mirage]

[burnt latch]

Thats what i was thinking, very clearly a potato

[gusty mirage]

okay

is this also a potato?

[hollow barn]

???

That’s a monke

[gusty mirage]

[hollow barn]

Are you okay?

[gusty mirage]

okay

what is this then:

[hollow barn]

Lmao

Was not expecting that

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

Post Thanksgiving dumper

[subtle tundra]

🫡

[honest vessel]

my man

[wary ice]

Gz on orange oxi

[subtle tundra]

i am scared of the lawyer with powers

[gusty mirage]

but ily varas

[strange python]

Oxi you're a lawyer?

[gusty mirage]

yes sir

[strange python]

What type

[gusty mirage]

mostly business/real estate and immigration

[subtle tundra]

the cool type

[gusty mirage]

I kinda do a bit of everything tho

[strange python]

Multispec lawyer ok

[gusty mirage]

except for divorce/family law

won't touch it

aint trying to get shot

[strange python]

There's other ways to get shot

Friends law firm reps FTX and he has been at the SBF penthouse. Wouldn't be shocked

[meager granite]

A lawyer that has the time to play wow.... X doubt

And he is discord boss now

Double x doubt

[gusty mirage]

I don't work for a big law firm, I work for myself

[subtle tundra]

you get money?

[sour wraith]

He does it for free

[gusty mirage]

a bit, most of my money comes from referrals

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

then why did it not work for nelson and murdock???

[gusty mirage]

I get a 30% referral for sending cases to other lawyers

for 0 work

[meager granite]

Are you the one handling the outlaw rogue immigration cases?

[gusty mirage]

nah I can't, conflict of interest

I can't represent pirate rogues without bias

[wary ice]

On a scale of 1 to Saul Goodman where would you describe your legal prowess?

[gusty mirage]

ngl all I know about saul goodman is from breaking bad, I've never watched better call saul

[subtle tundra]

good

its so slow

😴

[wary ice]

So like a 7?

[subtle tundra]

if a show takes that long to get good im sorry but 😴

[gusty mirage]

I'd like to think I'm pretty good at my job

[subtle tundra]

represent me in case i need it and i can rate you

[gusty mirage]

[wary ice]

This is beneficial to all parties here

[gusty mirage]

you'll have to fist fight tisu for that though

Tisu claimed me as his lawyer already

[wary ice]

Varas gets legal representation you get money and I get my mandatory lawyer rating

[strange python]

The dream. I get 10% of lifelong revenue from any client I bring in

[subtle tundra]

very interesting hypothesis

i dont understand what it means

[gusty mirage]

the big money is referring personal injury cases tbh

[strange python]

Yeah but that shit sucks

[gusty mirage]

I got one in the pipeline that shouldn't go to trial (hopefully) early next year

big payout and ya boys out of student loan debt

[strange python]

I do PR now, work 6 hours a week max

[subtle tundra]

the american dream coming true(no student loan debt)

[strange python]

Law degree > polling firm > PR I could have done with a bachelor's.

[meager granite]

Laugh in european

[gusty mirage]

jokes on them, I'm never paying it back

[viscid spear]

Would a "plaintiff postively identifies your client as the person that robbed him where in fact you had your actual client sitting in the way back in order to prove the plantiff could not be so sure to make such a definitive claim" defense work irl?

[gusty mirage]

kick that can down the road until I die

instantly forgiven

[strange python]

This is how I feel about high cholesterol

[gusty mirage]

if they're gonna scammaz us with absurd tuitition rates

they deserve it

[strange python]

You don't like 65,000 tuition????

[gusty mirage]

65k a year for a piece of paper that actually does nothing if you don't pass the bar exam

[strange python]

Could be worse

GW over 80k now

[gusty mirage]

jfc

[subtle tundra]

couldnt be me

[gusty mirage]

I had a high schooler reach out to me and ask me if they should go to college

[meager granite]

Wait what you talking 65k a year? How many years?

[gusty mirage]

I was like dude just go become a HVAC guy

[viscid spear]

[strange python]

Four years.

[subtle tundra]

idk i kinda want to work but at the same time i want to get as much time as i can without working

[gusty mirage]

4 years undergraduate + 3 years law school

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

i want to actually start working on a career

[dense yoke]

better call saul changed my life

[subtle tundra]

[gusty mirage]

you got time, just figure out what you like/dont hate

don't hate might be more applicable for a lot of people

[meager granite]

Sad if he hates being in debt

[strange python]

Could be dental/med school too. Even more years, and usually closer to 100k

[gusty mirage]

naw varas is EU

[strange python]

Friend went to Penn dental and is 500k in debt after 4 years

[gusty mirage]

he can get an education without ruining his life

[gusty mirage]

my cousin went to med school, owes $450k?

[subtle tundra]

heh my sister is in her 6th year of med school, residency starts next year, hasnt paid a single money

[gusty mirage]

to work 70 hours a week some weeks during residency and earn 55k a year

[meager granite]

The ideology behind this amazes me.
I need to be able to do something in my life so I will pay thousands in tuition so that I can earn money to repay my debt...

[strange python]

Yes

[wary ice]

Last time I went to the doctors It was cause i sprained my foot and they were like oh hey if it hurts in a week come in and we'll look it. So I came in ans they looked at it and said yeah its sprained, then handed me 3 different packets of paper to follow for different levels of sprains. I asked which level I was and they said oh just use your judgement based on the pain you feel

[strange python]

You can blame Reagan, but that's verging on too much politics for sin chat

[wary ice]

Then I payed 2000 dollars for the xrays

[strange python]

You love to see it

I paid $14,500 for an ambulance when my heart almost stopped

[wary ice]

Anyways I don't go to the doctors anymore

[subtle tundra]

there's obligatory "practice" next summer part of uni, basically have to work for a company for the summer

[meager granite]

It has more to do with the culture of the country than any political decision. Something like this would never be accepted by the population in most EU countries

[strange python]

I mean Reagan privatized California schools which caused other states to follow suit

[wary ice]

Technically it was Bush that ruined tuition costs

With Sally Mae and all that

[meager granite]

How long does it takes for you guys to pay back those tuitions debt?

[strange python]

That made it worse, but privatizing the UC system was an all-time bad decision

[strange python]

For most people 20-40 years

Depends how much you make ofc

Or scholarships

[meager granite]

Lmao
Best decision from the system. You undermine people with debt so they HAVE to work to pay it back and you can offer them high qualified post with shit pay cause they got to gain something

[wary ice]

I paid mine off in 6 months but I also had a fuck ton of scholarships and stuff and didn't go to school for law/medical stuff

[strange python]

The reality is that the average American probably shouldn't go to/can't afford college unless they have scholarships or are picking a major that will pay $$$$$$$

Or rich daddy

[wary ice]

There's a whole social engineering thing around the college loan process too

Its kinda fucked on the whole tbh

[meager granite]

Even more discrimination in the land of the free

[strange python]

Wait till you find out what we pay in rent

[wary ice]

Lmao

[meager granite]

Wait till you find out what I pay in taxes....

[wary ice]

I lose 30% of my paycheck to the state lol

[strange python]

Probably not much more than mine if you count the healthcare that is covered by most of the worlds taxes

[wary ice]

Nother 12 to the feds

Then I pay my landlord and utilities

[meager granite]

30% is easy

In France, in order to earn lets say 3k€ your boss has to pay 6.5k€, then you have to pay income tax and then VAT in everything you pay ofc

[wary ice]

Where does that first 3.5 go?

[strange python]

Lol if you include health insurance I lose a similar amount

[subtle tundra]

i dont have any income

[normal mist]

Meanwhile I have IN&GONE

[meager granite]

The state social security, retirement etc.
And I'm not talking about private health insurance and retirement plans

But we are one of , if not the most taxed country in the world

[wary ice]

Oh neither am I after a months worth of work I put like maybe 500 dollars into my pocket lol

But I also have a bunch of retirement plans that I only vaguely understand

Cause I will be damned if I have to work a day after 62

[fallen arch]

Lol 62

I wanna go there

It’s 67 here

[wary ice]

I think the avg ahe is 65 here but I've been working long enough that I'm pretty sure I can swing 62

[fallen arch]

Also of my paycheck way more than 30% goes to the state

[thorn fjord]

Gotta keep the Bourgeoisie down AMIRITE?

Rabble rabble seize the means rabble rabble 🤣

[echo geyser]

sizzle

[desert shard]

67 in my neck of the woods aswell

[strange python]

80 here today. 😦

[desert shard]

at least health care is available for everyone

[strange python]

No more retiring in us

[honest vessel]

work til we die

murica

[desert shard]

when I was diagnosed with cancer couple years back I had a swarm of my guildies from other countries ask if I need money for the hospital and treatment. they were shooketh when I said I don't have to pay a penny for anything lol

I don't even wanna know how bad that would be financially in the US

[uncut echo]

Its not terrible if you're employed

But if you don't have insurance you don't deserve to live

[desert shard]

like just learning that you have to pay for an ambulance and that it's easier to just get an uber to the hospital is mind boggling to me

[uncut echo]

Ain't ideal

[marble hemlock]

Why is this being discussed in the assa channel

[uncut echo]

Brilliant question

[marble hemlock]

[subtle tundra]

yea, guys, wth?

[main blaze]

They are going rogue by discussing it here. So its on topic

[subtle tundra]

go to #outlaw

[marble hemlock]

Nicely done

[foggy socket]

you could say they didn't want health care to exsanguinate their finances.

[vernal adder]

[foggy socket]

i hate exsanguinate please kill it

[uncut echo]

:>

[strange python]

Nothing to talk about. Games done for another week and a half

[thorn fjord]

3 more days 🙏

[strange python]

No real content first week tho

Unless you're a campaign enjoyer

[thorn fjord]

Leveling is content tyvm

[thorn crater]

is there any 1-2 boss raids?

or is it just the big one

that opens in a month

[strange python]

No

[thorn fjord]

Big one opens dec 12

[vernal adder]

Just world bosses

[thorn crater]

i see

that was cool when they did it back in the day

[strange python]

1-2 boss raids are usually a stopgap between patches, I don't remember any being launched as the big patch feature

[thorn crater]

i remember obsidian slayer title from first kill sartharion

[uncut echo]

I'm fairly positive m0s are open week 1 too right

[thorn fjord]

Yeah they are

[thorn crater]

arent the mythics usually open the second week?

oh shit really

[thorn fjord]

M0 will be open during the first reset next week from what my guildies said

So Expansion drops monday

[vernal adder]

2 days after release

[thorn fjord]

And they'll be available the next day or the same day but wont reset the tuesday

if that makes sense LOL

[spice spire]

They are

M+ 2 weeks tho

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

Leather stack for days

[fading wigeon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-announces-some-dragonflight-content-will-open-with-the-weekly-reset-330090

[short otter]

Is stacking with the group loot system good for m0?

[strange python]

M0s are personal loot, so yes.

[short otter]

oh i didnt know that thanks

[thorn fjord]

Loot system in dungeons are the same as they were in SL raid loot is different now tho

[strange python]

Group loot is for "organized" content - m+/raids. Theory being that those content types are less likely to have loot trolls

[thorn fjord]

Personal loot is staying for m+ too though no?

[wary ice]

I had thought that too but I also haven't been paying much attention

Very much looking forward to never getting loot regardless :^)

[thorn fjord]

That’s the spirit

[royal lantern]

you will get roughly the same amount regardless

in BfA/SL the game made a hiden roll if you get anything at all, now you just roll yourself(or in case of a halfway decent guild, masterloot)

[thorn fjord]

RC loot council ftw

[spice spire]

Yeah loot council is the first time for our guild

Gonna be interesting

[strange python]

RC and personal loot was okay but it's a problem with item types like sylv dagger

[thorn fjord]

They have a WA that auto passes loot making RC even easier to use @spice spire

[strange python]

I forget the exact math but shit like EoN has a 1/40 chance to drop each kill if you have 1 rogue, but is 2/10 with group loot

[thorn fjord]

Thats a win for us imo

[royal lantern]

yep, for rogues and hunters, group loot is just a win lol

[strange python]

Yeah, group loot is a win for anyone who has a unique item type

[royal lantern]

actually same chance as everyone else to drop a weapon, and it will always go to you

[spice spire]

I’m gonna take all the loot

Fuck them kids

[thorn fjord]

Stay toxic brethren

[strange python]

Being a thief is our class fantasy

[royal lantern]

and not the ussual "int casters all have mythic stafes 3weeks into the raid cus you have 4000int casters"

[rare jackal]

can you explain why? im not sure im fully understanding

[thorn fjord]

The chances of a class specific item dropping are higher now with group loot over master

er over personal*

[strange python]

It's a little complicated but the simple version is when you kill a boss in personal loot, every person in the raid has a chance to get an item. For most raids that's 18-19 people who can't get an agi dagger. In group loot, any item on the loot table can drop

[rare jackal]

ahh i see

that makes sense

[royal lantern]

personal loot=20people loot and drop Something they can use

group loot=boss dies and the boss drops 4-5 items on its loot table and players decide who gets what

[rare jackal]

thanks guys

[spice spire]

Nah I’m gonna be an ethical GM and spread loot where appropriate

[rare jackal]

guess i should be happy to be the only rogue in our roster then huh

[royal lantern]

with personal loot it means you have WAY more int gear going around cus all ranged dps+healers are int casters, and rogues/hunters got fucked because they onlynhave their oen chance and jobody else can drop/loot it for trading

[spice spire]

Yes man

[royal lantern]

with group loot its just"this boss has a dagger and a staff? both have equal chances to drop"

[rare jackal]

i played actively and semi hardcore during uldir and never considered that, but it makes perfect sense

[royal lantern]

just look at CN

[spice spire]

I’m excited for group loot - first tier as guild master I get to have people bitching at me

[spice spire]

DN*

[royal lantern]

and mage/druid having their weapons at the second boss

and cus its a early boss, everyone had their weapons FAST

[royal lantern]

if they bitch to hard, just remove exsang and everyone is happy

[thorn fjord]

Our first weapon tier one was council and that sucked lol

[spice spire]

Buff Exsang

[uncut echo]

Stop it

[spice spire]

You’re right, as rogues we only ask for nerfs, that’s the meme, right?

[bold drum]

not a meme

its reality

[thorn fjord]

[spice spire]

ELEEW buddy

[royal lantern]

i would take a 10% nerf if they just remove exsang for it tbh 🙂

[spice spire]

It’s like eleem, but with a W

[spice spire]

[bold drum]

people really dislike exsang

[royal lantern]

underperforimg and getting aura buffs then baby

[thorn crater]

exsang is fine

[fallen arch]

No

[royal lantern]

its not

[fallen arch]

Its dumb

Deletw

[spice spire]

How is it dumb

[rapid tree]

What is it about exsang that people hate?

[fallen arch]

I@dont like it

Therefore dumb

Remove

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

pins

[spice spire]

Understandable, have a nice day

[royal lantern]

liteally check the pins

[thorn crater]

press on cd you wont notice not refreshing gar and rup beforehand unless ure going for CE anyway

[bold drum]

pretty sure whispyr wrote a book about why it sucks

[thorn crater]

just dont press during DM and ure fine

[fallen arch]

Thanks king

[thorn crater]

literally press on cd and its a dps gain

[royal lantern]

what an absolute shit take

srsly

[thorn crater]

i mean its a generalization for sure

[royal lantern]

you realise that 99%of people here GO for CE right

[thorn crater]

but its true

[royal lantern]

and are probs on higher levels than you

[thorn crater]

i should have specified

i dont mean last week CE

[fallen arch]

If thats how youplay it

[thorn fjord]

Woah woah

[thorn crater]

i dont play it that way

[thorn fjord]

simmer down guys

[thorn crater]

and buddy

[fallen arch]

I daresay its better to not take it

[thorn crater]

if u dont like it

go play something else lmao

exsang is not going anywhere

unless the dev says so

[thorn fjord]

I'll tell you where Exsang aint going

On my Cast bar

[spice spire]

Cuz ur clicking it

[thorn fjord]

Yeah clicking straight from spellbook

[royal lantern]

exsang is OK guys!!!

"tell me why its ok?"

it does dmg??? URGH IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT PLAY IT

every single time

[thorny pond]

"p" -> assassination -> Manual exsang -> p

[bold drum]

[thorny pond]

same mofo presses his druid forms bar too

[spice spire]

It’s okay because there’s no overt lineup you have to do. Make sure to maximize bleeds before button off cd, press button.

I highly understand the issues with it, but I think that it’s blown a bit out of proportion. It’s degenerate and has the potential for shenanigans, but specifically for this tier, I have pure apathy toward talenting into it. It does damage

[night delta]

Still waiting on that blue shell to hit

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-shell-yoshi-mario-kart-gif-13984540

He never answered my question

[royal lantern]

people that say exsang is ok are the same people that said agonizing poison is good because HEY IT DOES DMG

[slim hamlet]

What is agonizing poison?

[royal lantern]

PLAYS LIKE SHIT, BUT YOU DONT HAVE TO PLAY IT

[thorn crater]

never said you dont have to play it

stop pmsing all over chat

[royal lantern]

you litearlly did

[thorn crater]

i said dont play the spec

not dont play the talent

[royal lantern]

allright, he is trolling

[thorn fjord]

[thorn crater]

if ure not playing exsang u might as well not play sin

[spice spire]

Let’s not flame each other over checks notes a talent

[slim hamlet]

It's wild to me that exsang is the discussion of the day, every day

[thorn crater]

im not capslocking cause im mad at a video game ability XD

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/its-groundhog-day-again-reporting-news-bill-murray-groundhog-day-gif-10873928

People are passionate about what they enjoy

[thorn fjord]

[rapid tree]

We need two separate channels. One with exsang users. One without

[spice spire]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that

[marble hemlock]

Spoken like someone who is on the wrong side of history

[royal lantern]

can we flame specs instead?

[spice spire]

Okay Germany, chill

[slim hamlet]

Rule number 1 of sin disc: we dont talk about exsang

[night delta]

By now Realz definitely knows something's up

[spice spire]

If those specs are warlock, mage, or boomkin

[viscid spear]

||die gs die||

[copper hazel]

dont be tempting the fates, we can get through to raid week clean here

[spice spire]

Love ur fellow rogue regardless

[night delta]

Whether healthy for the spec or not, he knows for sure exsang is divisive

[royal lantern]

legion thing , google it and you will know why it got removed during legion, litearlly the same shit with "it does most dmg but plays absolutely horrible, but some bigbrains keep saying ITS GOOD CUS DMG!!!"

[gusty mirage]

[slim hamlet]

You could Black out the entire chat, and still know it's exsang because "Several people are typing"

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

[thorn fjord]

[gleaming geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-clunky-experience-anubhavroy-its-slow-clunky-flawed-gif-21700211

[strange python]

I'm just dreading the nerfs

[bold drum]

all the way

[midnight atlas]

how can you say no to this?

[copper hazel]

if theres nerfs, so be it. We live by the poison, we die by the poison

[spice spire]

If it’s anything like havoc, they’re probably going to be on the lighter side.
They seem to really prefer the lighter nerfs over heavy handed stomps

[thorny pond]

"N" -> "Outlaw" -> "activate"

[grizzled jay]

8.1 Sub

[bold drum]

rn its mainly bleeds

[strange python]

I'm just accustomed to rogue nerfs the second we're simming well. Meanwhile warlocks are 10% ahead of everyone for two seasons.

[spice spire]

Seems they’re really trying to avoid that kind of dumpster

[slim hamlet]

Honestly can't wait to play sin in df

Even if it got nerfed by a straight 10%

[neon kindle]

I remember when sin was poisons and sub was bleeds

[thorn fjord]

I dont care what spec im playing i just want to play DF already

[slim hamlet]

The only reason I'm hyped is because of the spec ill be playing

[strange python]

Go eat your stinky twix

[lean marten]

i remember when sub was pvp spec and if you played it in pve you were trolling

[neon kindle]

True

I was the troll

[slim hamlet]

So that isn't how it is now?

xd

[thorn fjord]

Sin is better in pvp rn i think

[neon kindle]

Death mark busto

[spice spire]

Objectively false. Twix is a goat candy bar and I will not take any questions at this time

[marble hemlock]

Used to be

They changed their recipe a few years back

[slim hamlet]

Snickers is BIS

[marble hemlock]

Moved them from s tier to a tier

[slim hamlet]

Specially the ice cream version

[thorn fjord]

THANK YOU

[haughty jungle]

What are you guys taking for professions in DF? Is LW good enough to be taken or to go for Alchemy for free potions and flasks?

[night delta]

Candy bars eugh

[royal lantern]

anything with nuts is S tier by default

[night delta]

Sugar sugar sugar

[slim hamlet]

I love nuts

[marble hemlock]

It's no nut November

[slim hamlet]

Damn

[royal lantern]

im not a reddit incel and belives that shit seli

[thorn fjord]

Or nonstop nut november

Depending on your views on life

[slim hamlet]

More damn

[strange python]

Butterfinger and Reeses #1 and 2

[thorn fjord]

Reeses is def top tier as well

[strange python]

Red starburst also goated.

[slim hamlet]

That doesn't exist here

[thorn fjord]

I'll give that to ya

[spice spire]

We’re close brother

One week

[slim hamlet]

Nothing exists here

[royal lantern]

non-NA guy, what the fuck is butterfinger and reeses

[marble hemlock]

Americans thinking their candy is good

Lmao

[strange python]

Nerds rope? Ever swing them shits around?

[spice spire]

Peanut butter and chocolate, one has brittle.

[slim hamlet]

I know what reeses is, it's the choco cup with peanut butter in right?

[strange python]

Reeses is peanut butter inside a chocolate cup

[spice spire]

Fruit candy isn’t bad actually. Our chocolate is lacking

[thorn fjord]

Reese for those outside of the US

[slim hamlet]

Tried that once from some special import store

[gusty mirage]

imagine insulting sour patch kids

[slim hamlet]

Was kinda good

[strange python]

Mango hi chew slaps.

[thorn fjord]

um Hersheys is based out of PA take it back

[gusty mirage]

hersheys is trash tier bro

[slim hamlet]

Cap

[marble hemlock]

I feel sorry for you

[spice spire]

Bro are people actually defending Hershey’s

[slim hamlet]

You always buy a hersheys for wayyyy too much money at the airport

[thorny pond]

Hershey's is great

[thorn fjord]

ITS ALL WE HAVE

[gusty mirage]

don't be

[slim hamlet]

It's tradition

[night delta]

Kinder bueno & délice or nothing for me

[thorn fjord]

And their theme park is DOPE

[thorny pond]

get it with almonds

[strange python]

Wtf happened to the sour straws movie theaters used to have

[nocturne current]

Belgium/Swiss/Austrian shop made chocolate vs. Mass-factory produced chocolate by Nestle Corp.

[spice spire]

Literally almond Hershey’s is all I’ve enjoyed ever

[strange python]

Do not say that word here.

[spice spire]

They still have them

[gusty mirage]

have good chocolate and you'll never eat hersheys again

[slim hamlet]

I love this discord, either we talk about exsang, or we talk about legit ANYTHING but wow

[strange python]

I'll fight anyone about almonds.

They steal ALL MY WATER

[slim hamlet]

Burnt almonds with salt

Bis

[strange python]

No

No almonds

[slim hamlet]

Wrong

[strange python]

Almonds steal water

[gusty mirage]

ok old man

[marble hemlock]

Russian confectionary >>> everything else

[strange python]

??????

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

Nothing fucks with red starburst.

[spice spire]

Pink starburst

[slim hamlet]

These are Best in slot

[thorn fjord]

Red starburst hard candy is goated too

[strange python]

They sell bags of just red and pink now

[spice spire]

I know, goated purchase

S-tier road food

[gusty mirage]

mfer saying russian confectionery > all when baklava exists

[strange python]

Everyone learned that yellow and orange are trash. Like mods and outlaws

[marble hemlock]

Well that's more of a regular dessert

And obviously baklava is like top3 goated desserts

[gusty mirage]

no it's not

[spice spire]

Imagine choosing baklava when tres leches exist 🤨

[strange python]

???

[gusty mirage]

shove your milk cake up your ass

[spice spire]

Bitch I might

[thorn fjord]

Y'all ever try Flan?

[spice spire]

You wanna watch?

[marble hemlock]

But yeah idk

[gusty mirage]

baklava isn't a "regular dessert" in the middle east

[spice spire]

Texture fucks me on flan

[strange python]

Flan is just creme brulee without flavor.

[gusty mirage]

it's literally bite sized

[marble hemlock]

Had a bunch of us candy and it all fucking sucked

[nocturne current]

https://xocolat.at/

This is the shit.

[thorn fjord]

This is insulting

[strange python]

European chocolate is downright doodoo.

[spice spire]

What all did you have (legitimately) if you remember

[strange python]

Mexican chocolate goat

[thorn fjord]

Cuban made flan is the truth

[royal lantern]

americans when food isnt 99,7%sugar and sirup:

[gusty mirage]

germans and weird culinary takes, name a more iconic duo

[strange python]

You need more Mexican chocolate in your life

[uncut echo]

Fax Oxi

[spice spire]

Germans and losing wars

[gusty mirage]

your signature dish is beating meat and breading it

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

oh wow, this channel seems to be for old people.
The posted pictures look a lot like candy grandparents like to hand to children

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

[royal lantern]

wanna talk about the wars the US lost?

[vernal adder]

[spice spire]

FUU LMFAO

[strange python]

Zero baby. We don't teach history here so none of us know.

[royal lantern]

war against drugs?

[slim hamlet]

Does Toms exist outside Denmark?

[spice spire]

Freedom always wins baby #1

[spice spire]

Actually don’t get me started on the war on drugs

[strange python]

Won that shit. Drugs are gone. Fax.

[royal lantern]

your right, drugs didnt stab me

[nocturne current]

Bro, Spa cookies, top tier dobry

[thorn fjord]

cant talk grandma candy without mentioning these fuckers

[vernal adder]

I like hard and sour candy

[strange python]

Have any of you ever had those single-wrapped Mexican gummies they toss out at SoCal quincineras and bar mitzvahs????

[uncut echo]

War on drugs makes up a slight portion of your occupation, correct?

Or rather the overlap is certainly there

[spice spire]

Small bit . But it’s still a pretty egregious part of our history / on going tax dollars

[uncut echo]

Correct

[marble hemlock]

[uncut echo]

What the fuck is that

[vernal adder]

picnic

[uncut echo]

Seli where you from if I may ask

[marble hemlock]

its basically sugar milk

[slim hamlet]

These fuckers are THE grandma candy

[marble hemlock]

with like a cream~y texture

[nocturne current]

& it has cats in box

[uncut echo]

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/d4fcd024-2b28-48f0-a3d4-dbadb5f23075.087c973f456887f93b73dccabd9ba231.jpeg?odnHeight=768&odnWidth=768&odnBg=FFFFFF

[strange python]

Wtf is this branding

[spice spire]

I’d try it for that alone

[vernal adder]

what Quake eats https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874368397478076447/1045440494433476648/IMG_20221124_224631.jpg

[slim hamlet]

Royal dansk is not candy

Sewing Kit only

[marble hemlock]

from germany

[spice spire]

Wtf is this

[uncut echo]

No, but it's my weakness!

[vernal adder]

penis

[marble hemlock]

eastern germany, specifically, so grew up enjoying the best of both worlds

[uncut echo]

I was born in Garmisch-Partenkirschen

[solid mica]

Actually goated

[spice spire]

Then yeah sure man

[slim hamlet]

Wtf did you just call me

[royal lantern]

the german gang

[marble hemlock]

ah neat

[royal lantern]

only vaughn is missing

[thorn fjord]

This is for storing sowing equipment

[marble hemlock]

yeah i grew up and lived in dresden for ~18years

[slim hamlet]

Exactly Dieslow

[spice spire]

There are actually a lot of German rogues. It’s interesting

[uncut echo]

Sadly don't live there anymore but I miss it every day

[steel ridge]

didnt we establish already, that this server is basically german

[marble hemlock]

so with polish and czech border around the corner

[spice spire]

Did we

[marble hemlock]

gotten to enjoy lots of bohemian cuisine and eastern european candy and foods etc.

[thorn fjord]

Marzen season is over

[steel ridge]

wait for whispyr to arrive with some lebensraumerweiterung

[marble hemlock]

thats why i know that US candy fucking blows

[royal lantern]

dieser server ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik deutschland

[vernal adder]

Can I ask a sin question in this channel? smh

[royal lantern]

wrong reply

[slim hamlet]

The only other thing besides exsang that can make "Several people are typing" is candy

[royal lantern]

thanks discord

[slim hamlet]

Epic

[strange python]

It's just early on west coast

[marble hemlock]

theres so much off topic in here

that even ramlu is writing here

instead of offtopic

[spice spire]

Yes mister ramlu how can I help you

[royal lantern]

wanna talk about exsang?

[uncut echo]

HAHAHA

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

@vernal adder pretty sure thats banned

[royal lantern]

[steel ridge]

whispyr doesnt know sleep tho

[marble hemlock]

but yeah

[strange python]

Whispyr sleeps from 5 am to 12 noon.

[marble hemlock]

lets move it to #off-topic

[vernal adder]

can I uuh do the...uuh.. I forgor

[spice spire]

Insert “babe it’s time for Exsang discourse again” meme

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-sad-flaque-alone-gif-13147324

[nocturne current]

Rizek Man

[gusty mirage]

nice try I know thats a sewing kit

[uncut echo]

NO PLEASE

THEY'RE SO GOOD

AND THEN YOU CAN SEW

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

No shot

[uncut echo]

Lil glass of milk

[spice spire]

It’s literally just butter baked

[uncut echo]

Dunk your cookie

[spice spire]

Mf literally eating Paula dean cookies

[vernal adder]

sew a glass of milk?

[uncut echo]

Yes.

[slim hamlet]

Interesting

So anyways... Exsang ammirite?

[vernal adder]

bad

[spice spire]

Indifferent

[steel ridge]

cannot wait to exsang the shit out of random questing people

[vernal adder]

I have only hit dummies with sin so idk

[gusty mirage]

you didn't hit me tho

[vernal adder]

few days still when we can be off topic here

[nocturne current]

How to make US mad

[vernal adder]

[gusty mirage]

ramlu knows whats up

[gusty mirage]

if I see any of this shit on monday

[spice spire]

[steel ridge]

you watering the plants again?

[spice spire]

I’m gonna just shit post in Rh voice channels

[nocturne current]

This ain't the US version.

[vernal adder]

CF's still got hammer rights?

[gusty mirage]

ye

[steel ridge]

this actual czech beer?

[spice spire]

Yeah but in reality. If anyone ever gets banned by me, there’s a 1000000000% chance they deserved it

[teal bloom]

Exsang bad

[nocturne current]

Ye it's originally from budejovice

[steel ridge]

i will allow it, then.

[nocturne current]

It was odd to arrive here and realize beer was cheaper than water in pub

[steel ridge]

odd

[thorn fjord]

Y’all think token values will drop heavily come next week?

[slim hamlet]

It usually drops with patches right

[steel ridge]

no idea, would be good tho since i plan on using tokens to buy the expansion

[slim hamlet]

Hopefully it drops really fast, so I can buy sub with gold instead

[steel ridge]

isnt the price correlated to the amount of gold on the region? and there was no massive gold sink this time, so people are full of gold

no 5 million mount

[slim hamlet]

Its based on how many buys the tonen

Token

99% sure

[steel ridge]

i thought its a tool for blizzard to control the gold economy

[slim hamlet]

Usually it works like that

Demand and all that business stuff

[steel ridge]

currently on EU the expansion is like 1.3 million gold

[thorn fjord]

Prob buy a token now then while they’re above 200k

[slim hamlet]

Its 320k in eu

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

xd

[royal lantern]

good morning cutie

[thorn fjord]

He has risen

[slim hamlet]

He used his emote opener on us

[balmy condor]

I been up

I just didn't wanna deal with you fool

[thorn fjord]

Aww

Are you working today too?

[copper hazel]

thats fair

[balmy condor]

finishing up guides

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

proofreading

all that

[slim hamlet]

Can't wait to read that in school

[balmy condor]

I mean I'll still miss stuff

[thorn fjord]

I’m chain smoking in my jobs parking lot hoping the time goes by quicker

[balmy condor]

and then get pinged like 25 times in the first hour of the guide going live

but

ya know

I'll proof read anyway

[blazing totem]

all that work for people to ask on relase day “what stats” “what build”

[slim hamlet]

[thorn fjord]

What’s the best spec?

[strange python]

@balmy condor ur up early

[thorn fjord]

Can I still play sin during pet battles?

[steel ridge]

exsanguinat9r

[balmy condor]

5:30 this morning

[royal lantern]

ik the guide says that the secondary stats are really close and you should sim, and in the overall it doesnt really matter cus mainstat wins almost every single time, but @balmy condor what secondary is the best?

and BiS list pls?

[strange python]

The fuck. That's like my schedule. Why

[royal lantern]

and is my spec V I A B L E

[slim hamlet]

It's really importan for my normal progress

[thorn fjord]

Early bird gets the worm

That’s why

[steel ridge]

inhumane time

[balmy condor]

went to bed early yesterday cause thankgiving

was like 11:45 when I fell asleep

[strange python]

I wake up 5 am every day and never got a worm

[slim hamlet]

"early" continues to say midnihht

[balmy condor]

and then I woke up at 4:45 and was wide awake

[slim hamlet]

Midnight

[steel ridge]

i go to bed at 10pm and wake at 7am, cause i am a boomer with an actual sleep cycle

[strange python]

I'm in SF next week where should I eat

[balmy condor]

uh

well I'm south bay

[slim hamlet]

Same most days, but for me because of school

[balmy condor]

so I'm familiar with like inside SF

[strange python]

Shit I thought you were in SF

[balmy condor]

if you're in mountain view though chicken g's has a banger chicken sandwich

[strange python]

I'm driving through omw to Portland so I have one afternoon meal wherever

[meager granite]

What's the need of pinging when we know you live on the channel you will answer anyway

[balmy condor]

yeh I'd stop in mountain view and swing by chicken g's then

[keen locust]

hello everybody

[balmy condor]

you know it's legit cause they put it in an unmarked black bag

[strange python]

Is it drugs

[balmy condor]

I mean if chicken sandwich is drugs then yeah

[strange python]

It can be

[balmy condor]

hello human person

[thorn fjord]

Did you just assume their species?

[meager granite]

Did you just assume his biological life form?

[spice spire]

I’d argue this but apparently I raid with a cat

[strange python]

I assume you stink because you like twix

[thorn fjord]

Literally anything is better than butterfingers

[spice spire]

I actually like butterfingers tho. The teeth feel after ain’t worth it

[strange python]

You probably like yellow starburst too

[thorn fjord]

Gross

[solid mica]

Lemon is nice

[strange python]

Sus

[spice spire]

I do like yellow

Dislike orange

[balmy condor]

speaking of teeth feel, did you know that you can always feel your tongue, but your brain just tunes it out

and now since I told you

you're thinking about it

and can feel your tongue

[spice spire]

No I did; and no I’m not

[honest vessel]

fuck u

[thorn fjord]

What that tongue do tho

[honest vessel]

goddamnit

i dont tab out for like an hour and now im thinking about my tongue

[bold drum]

there is sth similar with breathing

[honest vessel]

...

[bold drum]

[copper hazel]

same for your nose

you can always see your nose, but your brain tells your eyes its not there

[meager granite]

It's more about being less receptive to constant stimulus. So you have to focus more on it in order to notice

[thorn fjord]

Funny of you to assume my brain tells me to feel anything

[copper hazel]

give it 3 days, mfers will be coming in here with a brain that cant tell them to do anything

[strange python]

Does it tell you to feel sad

[thorn fjord]

Mostly indifferent

[strange python]

Twix blocking emotion receptors.

[balmy condor]

Guide Status for 10.0 Release:
Wowhead - Updated for 10.0 for sure now :): https://www.wowhead.com/beta/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/overview-pve-dps
Method - Updated for 10.0: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
Ravenholdt FaQ - Updated for 10.0
Icyveins (from @marble hemlock) - Updated for 10.0: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

first guide updated

[spice spire]

[copper hazel]

[balmy condor]

now everyone can leave me alone

[spice spire]

No man

[bold drum]

[balmy condor]

what do you want from me man

[strange python]

IM SORRY

Spec tree broken 😦

[honest vessel]

proud of u whispyr c:

ty

[spice spire]

Scroll down

[balmy condor]

not broken

it's empty on purpose

[strange python]

In my defense. It is confusing to have an empty spec tree clickable

And I am no read good.

[balmy condor]

yeh dunno

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

method things I guess

I talk about the spec tree stuff lower down

[spice spire]

Ngl it’s weird but then I saw “class tree” and was like oh

[bold drum]

it has an import string tho

[spice spire]

But if that’s how they want it formatted

[balmy condor]

import string is automated

[bold drum]

oh ok

[balmy condor]

I guess I could just put some random shit in the spec tree

just so people have something

[strange python]

CT, exsang.

[bold drum]

make it a troll tree

[spice spire]

Nah, I think it’s fine considering that’s what they wanted

[balmy condor]

it'll take sepsis

[strange python]

Oh no

[spice spire]

There’s 4 fleshed out builds

[balmy condor]

is it time to clean out the pins

[bold drum]

having the first one be empty does look odd tho and people on the internet arent known for scrolling down if not asked to

[balmy condor]

replace 15 page pins with 1 guide link and "shut the fuck up"

[spice spire]

Yeah man I got pin one for you pal

[sour wraith]

Pin that to make it messier

[spice spire]

#off-topic message

[bold drum]

[bold drum]

[strange python]

Doesn't matter how clean the pins are. People still gonna ping you asking what the build is.

[balmy condor]

meh, whatever

I have some updates I probably need to do to it at some point anyway

it's good enough

[spice spire]

You could update pins for df Sunday night and someone’s gonna come in asking for the best legendary

[bold drum]

whispyr doesnt mind explaining why exsang sucks 200 times a day

[balmy condor]

I very much do

[strange python]

How much corruption should I have

[spice spire]

I can also pin stuff, master Vhispyr.

Since I know you have a lot to do

[copper hazel]

rotations are doubling up the skill next

[balmy condor]

well

aight

guess I'm fixing that

and some other stuff

[balmy condor]

yeh go for it clean house king

[spice spire]

[strange python]

Plz make us not get nerfed.

[bold drum]

can read 3 sentences before exsang is mentioned

[bold drum]

looks good tho i like how method have their guides set up

[spice spire]

Pins look okay boys?
Dropping mini-guide Monday in case we have any very last second andys come in asking

[bold drum]

[uncut echo]

Looks great. I can't wait to intentionally play exsang wrong on purpose

[spice spire]

[bold drum]

i would love to see how many times it gets mentioned in the guide

[spice spire]

I also have the IC comparison loosely bookmarked in case anyone is curious coming into it

[uncut echo]

Dumb take, but would you guys rather not have to vanish as a dps cd?

[spice spire]

A fiery demise disciple I see

I do think it’s dumb, but I’m not for being nerfed for it kinda deal

[strange python]

Someone needs to make chardeemacdennis gif but instead of charlie hating Dennis it's all of us hating exsang

[thorn fjord]

Not a bother imo

[bold drum]

i think using vanish for dps is a good thing

[marble whale]

don't be mad at me, can someone link me a twitch channel that has beta m+ vods for assa?

[spice spire]

@subtle tundra if you check his channel linked he’ll have some

Surely he keeps his vods

[balmy condor]

SURELY

[spice spire]

surely

[royal lantern]

vanish is desinged as a offensive cd since forever at this point, that aint gonna change

[spice spire]

Did you do any m+, whispyr? On stream anyway, knew you did raid testing

[bold drum]

thats why i said idm, it adds class fantasy aswell as a reason to use it for dmg

[uncut echo]

Ik, but when you look at other 2mins they are far more impactful

Like deathmark lol

[spice spire]

Even the E word is more impactful

On a lower cd

[uncut echo]

Wet ass E word

[bold drum]

[strange python]

Envenom has no CD

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/ea-sports-e-ea-meme-gif-14922519

[balmy condor]

nah no stream m+

I did do a bunch though with the marcelian boys

[bold drum]

e e e e eeee exsang

[spice spire]

I knew that but wasn’t sure

Idk who else would have sin m+ vods

[royal lantern]

varas?

[bold drum]

i get where you are coming from but i wouldnt put dm and vanish into the same boat even though they share the same cd

[uncut echo]

No 100% agree. It's not in the same league

[spice spire]

Already linked

That’s why who else

[bold drum]

vanish was quite powerful in sanctum but crit stacking and winds of winter helped a lot to make it that good

[royal lantern]

nobody plays rogue, there is nobody else man

[spice spire]

Winds of winter

[bold drum]

winds of

[uncut echo]

Rogue really is a wow meme

Like, it's hilarious our representation

[bold drum]

we all agree on that one

i could have played a warrior or sth but now im a playing a meme class

[uncut echo]

Yeah. Rogue and warrior are kind of what I've always bounced between

[royal lantern]

hey

atleast rogue has somewhat respect of beeing a class played by good players

warrior is know for beeing Floor PoV in raids

[uncut echo]

We have goated defensives

[spice spire]

Bro idk what it is, with warrior I lose all brain cells

[royal lantern]

warrior aswell mate

[uncut echo]

It's fucking hard to die as rogue

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

[strange python]

Warriors are by far the worst players I've ever seen on average

[bold drum]

i know there is a clip of max calling warriors meatheads

[spice spire]

I don’t wait on tanks

[bold drum]

thats a good one

[royal lantern]

dont play fury

[spice spire]

I charge

[uncut echo]

I think I agree with that statement

[spice spire]

I’m an arms gigachad

[uncut echo]

Warriors suck

[strange python]

Warriors and hunters are easily the worst players I run into on a consistent basis.

[royal lantern]

balance druids and the average dh are worse imo

[strange python]

Monks probably the best.

[uncut echo]

Average dh is cursed

[spice spire]

They’re the duality of man though. They’re either absolute dumpsters or giga chads

0 in between

[royal lantern]

^

[uncut echo]

But the elite dh is something else

[bold drum]

we are quite good at surviving big hits/heavy dmg over a short period of time but our hps is very limited i feel like

[strange python]

Most boomies I see are not bad, just insufferable scumbags.

[marble hemlock]

no such thing

[royal lantern]

monk and dh when they are ACTUALLY good is great

[uncut echo]

Leeching poison

[royal lantern]

but 99% are meatbags that ride FotM op shit

[uncut echo]

Actually juts

[bold drum]

we have phial and thats about it