assassination

[elfin forge]

haha wow

[subtle kiln]

what did you do?

[solar tangle]

easy specc KEKW

[strange python]

Exsang is like Terminator 2's time travel, don't let specifics get in the way of a good story

[balmy condor]

I mean it makes sense

deathmark is a fuck ton of damage

you're wrecking your main cooldown

[strange python]

lol just that alone though is going to polish brains smooth

[near valley]

Exsang stonks rising always brings tears to my eyes

[strange python]

"but it do the same damage, just faster?:"

[near valley]

tears of JOY

[balmy condor]

deathmark alone loses about 2k dps

[subtle kiln]

when the meme becomes an actually discovery.

[balmy condor]

holy

the difference in kingsbane damage

good lord

[strange python]

rofl

[slim hamlet]

All I got from this is, exsang bad don't take

[subtle kiln]

so the public apl exsang in DM. got it @balmy condor ?

[near valley]

casual 2k difference

[storm rapids]

i just swapped back to rogue a week ago and now finds out i need to use exsang

[desert shard]

and then they buff exsang what do you mean

[near valley]

pure heresy your spittin

[slim hamlet]

Instant switch back

[subtle kiln]

I hope so

[spice spire]

Exsang haters in shambles

[thorn fjord]

[balmy condor]

yeah you just lose almost a third of your kingsbane damage

problem?

[royal lantern]

exsang and ER in all content baby

🙂

🙂

[near valley]

best of both worlds

[thorn fjord]

[storm rapids]

ill stick to it no way im doing monk another expansion

[slim hamlet]

How, I didn't understand the pic

[balmy condor]

exsang in DM halves DM means less poison, means less kingsbane

and it craters

[slim hamlet]

Why is this a gif, I'm scared exsang will suddenly jumpscare me

[desert shard]

https://tenor.com/view/miley-cyrus-hannah-montana-the-best-of-both-worlds-best-of-both-worlds-gif-5636933

[random fossil]

why do people hate ER, you press it and your combo points look sexy for a bit

so good actually

[slim hamlet]

So exsang bad confirmed, good

[subtle kiln]

I got bored and Ronkels liked the idea

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[royal lantern]

eh, not bad, just annoying and imo shows a problem with the class tree when its picked for EVERYTHING regardless of content

[thorn fjord]

Hallelujah

[royal lantern]

exsang on the otherhand

just bad

no excuses why its still a thing

[near valley]

https://tenor.com/view/good-to-be-bad-jaguar-ad-villain-tom-hiddleston-mark-strong-gif-24195011

[slim hamlet]

sucks ass, also how tf does a rogue become anima charged... MY IMMERSION

[subtle kiln]

lucky tom

lucky

[near valley]

lol

change exsang to be instant cast pls ty

no cd

[strange python]

look at this point I'm just looking forward to the sin faq "Exsang: (deep breath in)" section

[near valley]

let me spam it

[white temple]

Was about to ask

[elfin forge]

haha

[royal lantern]

check the pins

😄

[near valley]

idk why Whispyr put exsang as a reason why ass possibly couldnt be played

[balmy condor]

the worst part about exsang is I have to do 2 versions of everything for exsang and non-exsang because people will refuse to take it

[coral storm]

does dashing scoundrel make poison crits give energy all the time or just during envenom?

[little light]

[balmy condor]

and then I'll get wowhead commenters in my DM's and on my twitter yelling at me for not liking exsang

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/so-pissed-im-work-mad-gif-23416426

time to rework the opener...

[balmy condor]

all the time

[gusty breach]

we got 3 rogues, i lost the roll, i'm the monk now

[little light]

wowhead commenters

[spice spire]

Don’t leak my strat wtf

[deft flicker]

Imagine if Realz made exsang the opening node for spec tree

[slim hamlet]

The best content a man can get

[strange python]

I mean hey, I'm going to refuse to play any of the 3 specs without ape arms

[balmy condor]

truly a different breed

[elfin forge]

Have Devs commented on Exsang at all?

[near valley]

man i sure rolled the dice by saying i'll play rogue for prog

[subtle kiln]

I attempted to start a civilized conversation about it on twitter. if such a conversation actually is capable of being had on twitter I do not know.

[strange python]

long arm tribe rise up

[balmy condor]

they have

[near valley]

2 of those things can't coexist

[royal lantern]

Improved Shiv has always been the more controversial talent. Not Exsanguinate. The nature damage debuff is not fitting of the Assassination playstyle and adds more "clunkiness" than Exsanguinate has ever added, properly played or otherwise.

It still amazes me how it became such a staple of the Sin rotation. At this point it is only taken because it gates Elaborate Planning. The talent itself though is not strong (unless played alongside Kingsbane). Enjoy Exsanguinate.

[subtle kiln]

BIS talent

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

That was the best one

still up atleast

[dark token]

Wtf blizz

[slim hamlet]

We can't keep letting this guy get away with this

[royal lantern]

i love that one so much

[near valley]

in my head i was wondering if that was a copypasta

[elfin forge]

oh they have? what did they say?

[dark token]

Why did they nerf tome of tranquil mind

[royal lantern]

"nature dmg debuff doesnt fit assassination"

[balmy condor]

they said nothing

[near valley]

trueeeee

[dark token]

Now I can't change covenants mid raid

[royal lantern]

Envenom

[subtle kiln]

guy plays outlaw

[royal lantern]

our main dmg filler

[slim hamlet]

Yeah that's why I added the "still up" xd

[balmy condor]

I look in the mirror

[near valley]

weeb lololol

[subtle kiln]

what do you see?

[balmy condor]

and every day I'm disappointed I'm not an uwu 2d girl

[royal lantern]

OH GOD THE GUY HAS ANOTHER COMMENT

[slim hamlet]

I see exsang behind me

Staring at my soul

[near valley]

[subtle kiln]

just dont have a soul.

[royal lantern]

It is a watered down Symbols of Death. Just because it improves nature damage doesn't make it befitting of the rotation. When using it, the goal is to pool energy in an attempt to get all your big damage during that debuff window (once again similar to Sub Rogue). Sin just has too much going on in the rotation for that to be a focus. It never felt good to play. This is a dot spec and as such Exsanguinate is closer to its theme than Improved Shiv (or simply Shiv, or even Toxic Blade) will ever be. Its also worth noting that the last time Sin had any M+ relevance was when Exsanguinate was feasible. I could come up with a few other arguments but that's the central point.

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

assa only good in m+ when exsang is good

ONLY

exsang is the saving grace of assa in keys

[spice spire]

💀

[near valley]

facts

[desert shard]

there's a addon that converts all words into uwu speak for wow, give it a shot mb it helps

[royal lantern]

letting a single enemy have its dot run out faster every 45sec is all our aoe dmg

[subtle kiln]

you're finally starting to appreciate it

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

step 1 of my conversion

[near valley]

i report all who use that addon

even my own guild members

"Cwookies out OwO"

[slim hamlet]

I am confusion

[near valley]

absolute sinners

[spice spire]

God bless

[balmy condor]

boutta meow in your raid bruh watch yourself

sleep with one eye open

[strange python]

hahahahaha

[spice spire]

It’s been banned

Get woke buddy

Words I never thought I’d have to say

[near valley]

lmao

[balmy condor]

is my elmo impression banned too

[spice spire]

“You can’t meow in raid chat”

[strange python]

what you gona do? sneak up and exsanguinate him?

[spice spire]

Yeah but for different reasons

[spice spire]

Nah. Mute them 💀

[balmy condor]

what about my goofy impression, I can do the laugh

[near valley]

Exswangwuinate UwU

[royal lantern]

first needs to re-apply the bleeds

[strange python]

oh... oh no... no no

[marble hemlock]

id still join just to do it once and get kicked

just to trigger you

[slim hamlet]

Assassination is actually the worst assassination spec in the game, you gotta put up both bleeds, then generate then put up both again before you can actually assassinate

smh

[elfin forge]

omfg you beat me by like 1 second, i was typing that up haha

[little light]

exanguinate is actually assassination's kind face, like you make someone bleed to death > bleed faster = being merciful

[spice spire]

Ur goofy irl papi chill

[near valley]

goofy impression?

[spice spire]

[near valley]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-laugh-goofy-laughing-ill-do-it-again-gif-25561961

[spice spire]

You haven’t had to suffer the 18 months of meowing

[strange python]

NGL this is the closest I've ever come to disliking Exsang

[near valley]

hurt me to even type it

[balmy condor]

real

[spice spire]

Z

[near valley]

i whave to cweanse mwy bowdy latwr

[elfin forge]

omfg haha

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-cringe-gif-17778800

[near valley]

jesus take the wheel pls

[slim hamlet]

That's enough class disc for today I think

[royal lantern]

our brains bleed out

100%faster ofc

[slim hamlet]

only time exsang was nice

[subtle kiln]

[white temple]

Was when it didn't exist

[near valley]

the only time is all the time

[white temple]

Btw, correct me if I'm wrong, but assa was a dot window spec, no a sole dot spec no?

Given the old pooling

Rup was maintenance, garrote was solely on opener and you'd have to slap during env windows

[near valley]

i want to say ur wrong just because

[strange python]

when you say "was" when is "was"?

[white temple]

3 or 4 xpacs ago?

[strange python]

I don't think garrote was ever not re-applied as maintenance

yeah that would probably be true if you're going that far back

[near valley]

back when combat rogue existed?

[white temple]

Garrote was stealth only

Yeah, back in cbt

[strange python]

most people don't remember anything pre legion though

and if they do it's probably just complaining about tank dps in the vengeance meta

[white temple]

When bandits guile was a thing

[slim hamlet]

crusade burning the?

[subtle kiln]

sub rogues remember soul cap

[white temple]

Well, I can only speak up to mop

Haven't touched lk yet

And cata

Mop ->

[strange python]

LK is pretty fast boi sin spec at the end

[near valley]

wasn't ass rogue just literally pressing envenom back in like wotlk days

[strange python]

pretty much

lots of blindsiding

[near valley]

like literally just muti -> cold blood + envenom

SnD to maintain it

[strange python]

"combat daggers"

[near valley]

and then press hunger for blood every min

[strange python]

"combat, but with mut"

[white temple]

I can get that experience in classic

[near valley]

back when u used tricks of the trade for a damage amp on aff lol

[white temple]

But anyway, was like that or I had a wrong impression of the spec?

[strange python]

excuse me sir, tricks went to whoever paid the most or you hand in your roag card

[near valley]

trueeeee

priests complaining bout PI now

i wish i could charge for my abilites atm

[royal lantern]

many priests hate PI cus it feels like blizzard is gating shit in their toolkit cus of it

[strange python]

truth be told we all did the same thing and had a "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours" policy with the other rogue

[elfin forge]

is there a SimC import available at all of like 400+ ilvl 4p tier? I was curious to try practicing comparing talents in raidbots, but got nothing to import into Top Gear.

[gusty mirage]

based

[royal lantern]

aka the main reason healer priests cant have a interupt as the only 2specs in the game, is cus they have PI and stuff

[gusty mirage]

the main reason healer priests cant have an interrupt is because RMP is a thing

[near valley]

i know why they hate it, but i'd hate it more if they didn't have it to give it to me 😄

we can't both be happy

[gusty mirage]

it's strictly a pvp decision

[royal lantern]

but i thought the only reason RMP is strong, is because Rogue is OP?

[strange python]

How is evoker at healing in arena? opressing roar? big stun?

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

true

[strange python]

can we make REM comp a thing?

[royal lantern]

like, i love how everytime people complain about rogue, its cus of RMP

and then ONLY rogue

[gusty mirage]

you can rogue mage anything brother

[strange python]

call our team "me in the corner"

losing our religion

[royal lantern]

and blizzard with the genius solution, TWIN SUNS!!!!!(its ussules btw)

[near valley]

at least shadow has their spot secured

[slim hamlet]

I mean do they

[gusty mirage]

you could even rogue mage + third dps and probably get to 1800 if you tried hard enough

[slim hamlet]

at all

[royal lantern]

its a dps, the spot is secured when they do good dmg

[near valley]

well they crank atm

then they can give themselves and someone else PI

not seeing a lot of reasons why i would hesistate to take one

[gusty mirage]

our spriest is looking to reroll

[strange python]

that's not a me kinda play, I was all in on the "team up with a ret and cc someone for him" meta

[quaint sequoia]

I wake up everyday praying for a exsang nerf that will probably not come 😭

[gusty mirage]

ah a scooby doo enjoyer

[near valley]

tell him to play the better shadow priest

[gusty mirage]

[near valley]

warlock ofc

[gusty mirage]

scooby doo/rps are the only chad rogue comps

any others are for the WEAK

[gusty mirage]

we don't get along so I can't tell him anything

[near valley]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

there's zero communication channels between us

[strange python]

"oh you pvp? what class do you play?"
"ret-support"

[gusty mirage]

I played mostly rpd/rps/rppal

fun comp

[slim hamlet]

i just play tbh

[gusty mirage]

one of these days I won't rage quit after 2100 and continue

[near valley]

is aff-shadow-resto still a good pvp comp?

[strange python]

I always intend to pvp hard, but then like I'm waiting for sha to spawn, and then running antorus, and then I gota do dragon soul coz I can't get the blazing...

[gusty mirage]

ye shadowplay was giga last 2 seasons

[slim hamlet]

both aff and shadow seems crisp for pvp in df too

[near valley]

cause ik they nerfed aff in pvp lately

[gusty mirage]

a good aff lock was insanely difficult to play against

just such a tanky class

[strange python]

it's Unh dks for me

they chase me in my nightmares

hands everywhere

[gusty mirage]

yeah unh is surviving their slappy hands go

if you can't get away it's riparoni

[near valley]

slappy hands is most fun

[subtle kiln]

you can just not play it and have the same effect.

[gusty mirage]

I enjoy pvping because I enjoy playing with my friends who primarily pvp

I fucking hate pvp tho tbh

[subtle kiln]

oxi never wants to pvp with me

[gusty mirage]

idk how these guys sit down and queue games for 4-5-6 hours at a time

but then I remember week 1 of season 4 when I ran like 80 keys

[strange python]

most pvpers are just naturally hype in my experience

like natural uppers 24/7

[gusty mirage]

yea they're a good time and funny af

[foggy socket]

i like pvp, i like the concept of pvp, but the time it takes to get better at pvp feels like such a commitment

[gusty mirage]

yeah + like everyone who pvps already knows the ins and outs

and some rage at you for not knowing

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-robbins-clap-clapping-gif-8810384

^the average pvper

[foggy socket]

i got 1800 in s1 SL, which for me is very good, and i after i stopped playing for like a week i felt like i forgot everything about pvp lol

[near valley]

can't really get into pvp tbh

not my thing

especially if i dont have 2 pvp trinkets

[foggy socket]

there is so much going on, and as you said having to know the ins and outs of every class is a lot lol i love it, but unless i say to myself "ok im pvping this season" i will likely only dabble in random bgs for lulz

[strange python]

I watched a pair of boomies in S1 hit 1800 in an hour in front of me, they were such experienced pvpers one of them asked how the ret pally knew where he was after shadowmelding

#justconvokethings

[foggy socket]

s1 convoke was silly bruh lol

[dark token]

S1 sub at the start was too

[strange python]

ER got hit pretty fast

[near valley]

sub was just a pvp spec

[strange python]

I wish I had gotten in on the ER train tbh

[slim hamlet]

Wasn't sub pretty good for m+ in season 1?

[strange python]

it depends on what you mean by "good"

15s? it was legit as fuck

[near valley]

better than the others

[strange python]

20? sure fine

[slim hamlet]

top 25% dps spec prob

Was what I thought atleast

[strange python]

yeah it was pretty good at top end at that stage yeah

it started to fall off as it's single target and aoe specs separated over time

while OL was out here like "why not have both?"

[slim hamlet]

What do you mean

OL was never the superior spec of rogue

and will never be

obviously

[quaint sequoia]

and lose 7% dps or whatever it was?

[onyx wind]

exsang deniers 😺 👉 #outlaw

[strange python]

wdym that apm during exsang? that's sin for OL enjoyers

[quaint sequoia]

they destroyed that spec when they changed it from combat to outlul

[strange python]

how. dare. you.

[onyx wind]

current iteration of outlaw is somewhat tolerable

pewpewpew

[strange python]

It's true. Outlaw stinks, combat was fun.

current outlaw is goated

I said it

Current outlaw sucks big

[slim hamlet]

Lava take, but outlaw is actually fun. Ass is just 20x that imo

[strange python]

dust kyrian ❤️

[onyx wind]

it gets stale kinda fast but maybe thats just me

[strange python]

Unless you mean literally just prepatch with zero cds

[onyx wind]

oh ye im not talking about prepatch

[strange python]

I mean, prepatch and pre-prepatch aren't really that disimilar

[gusty mirage]

get your priest to mind control their healer and watch the convoke melt them

self sabotage

[white temple]

They transformed Cbt into a street gambler, fuck it

[onyx wind]

i remember playing vs convoke

it evolved

[strange python]

cock n ball torture?

[onyx wind]

in the end they were running into melee in stealth

so u didnt have time to react

[white temple]

Dice thrower

And 90 degree gun wielding

[dark token]

Cognitive behavioral therapy?

[near valley]

street gambler? funny way to describe a pirate

[meager granite]

This post was an hour ago, but you should ping it 🙂

[near valley]

also tbf if combat rogue still existed i'm pretty sure you'd only have 2 rogue specs

would be a sad day to only have two server colors to choose from

[dark token]

Why do people care about combat it was boring af with bandits guile being the only minmax

Legion outlaw was far superior

Even current outlaw far superior

[uncut echo]

Old combat was boring as fucj

[slim hamlet]

But, but my nostalgia

[uncut echo]

Imagine if outlaw just didnt have guns

[neat plank]

Or dice

[uncut echo]

OR IMAGINE IF YOU HAD TO LOOT THE GUN

Dice is fine

[dark token]

Nostalgia for what

[uncut echo]

Hitting sinister strike

.... that's it

[dark token]

Ur weird. The gunplay is by far the best part of outlaw

[dense hamlet]

[dark token]

In fact they should add more guns

[uncut echo]

Gunplay

[dark token]

Less sinister strike

[neat plank]

222224 222224

[slim hamlet]

Isn't that exactly what he means?

[dark token]

I want an aoe blunderbussy

[uncut echo]

BLUNDERBUSSY

[onyx wind]

outlaw: 😴 😴 😴 🔫 🔫 🔫 ⚔️ 🔫 🔫 🔫😴 😴

[uncut echo]

IM DYING

[dense hamlet]

outlaw haters smh

[white temple]

Tbh, the RNG of dices is what kills me

[dark token]

I want pistol shot to be the new sinister strike

Ur default

[neat plank]

Vanilla & TBC combat rogue gave me carpal tunnel I have to this day

[uncut echo]

utlaw

[meager granite]

You forgot something

https://tenor.com/view/dice-gif-4717877

[dark token]

Then you get like cannons and semi auto rifles and blunderbuss procs

[white temple]

If I wanted to play RNG, I'd go to a casino or play shaman

[dense hamlet]

nice nickname change there

[foggy socket]

outlaw was tolderable to me when SnD was an alternative to RtB

i dont need rng is my cooldowns, there's always enough in my loot

[distant mesa]

These damage charts are using Exsang on CD is the top number yeah? What is zzz normal?

[onyx wind]

in my keys i either end with a 43 hour snd

or i have to refresh it all the time

no inbetween

[dense hamlet]

happens to the best of us

[balmy condor]

zzz normal is the standard sim

[sand dirge]

hello, how can i highlight my rupture/garrote while they are empowered by exsanguinate?
i know that afenars wa can do that but i would like to implement it in my tellmewhen garr/rupt bars.

[uncut echo]

I'm a bond villian

An OUTLAW ENJOYER

[foggy socket]

snd and the addition to tea to "compensate" for the venemous wounds nerfs over time just make me sadge

[verbal knot]

outlaw has to be the goofiest rogue spec fr

[slim hamlet]

Just remember it for 15 seconds

[uncut echo]

Snd goes away

[slim hamlet]

[uncut echo]

[distant mesa]

Right wanted to see which one that was w/ or w/o the exsang, and if it was popped on CD haha I don't mind the button but it's a pain in the ass to use. Sounds like it is the way I think tho where it is Exsang and used on cd

[balmy condor]

well it would be difficult to compare a sim that doesn't use exsang to a sim that doesn't talent exsang

so

[elfin forge]

You can probs do it with a custom WeakAura. Create a texture WA that appears on Exsang cast, overlaying the dot bars and goes away after 15 seconds.

[balmy condor]

the default is with exsang on cooldown :P

[distant mesa]

Appreciate you, sorry for stupid question. That's been my only one for a while and I saw it brought up this morning and it had me curious.

[balmy condor]

you're good

[terse otter]

why assasination faq is the only empty channel in FAQs ? 😄

[slim hamlet]

it legit says it?

[balmy condor]

because I hate you specifically

[terse otter]

Arent we close enough ? 😄

[wary ice]

Thanks alot flaamez

[desert shard]

Because whispyr doesn't want to write 5 paragraphs about exsang yet

[distant mesa]

Why update a 2-3w patch? He just wants you to play what you enjoy

[balmy condor]

this comment just pushed the FaQ back another week

[desert shard]

And the faq is gonna be in uwu?

[copper hazel]

[distant mesa]

🤣

[terse otter]

maybe theres another big brain ? 😄

[slim hamlet]

-2 weeks

[faint sinew]

It’s only whispyr sorry

[slim hamlet]

The 😄 emoji just makes it better

[balmy condor]

or maybe, just maybe, you can fucking wait for it? the expansion isn't out and week 1 you won't be able to do any relevant content homie

if I put up the FaQ right now

[terse otter]

im just joking, enjoy ur day guys gona watch Poorland vs mexico 😄

[balmy condor]

what are you going to do

[copper hazel]

flame by name flamezed by nature

[desert shard]

Deaw sin pwayer, i would wike to expwain how to use exswanguinate uwu

[balmy condor]

you gonna read it

and then go

"wow sick

I'm using this

RIGHT NOW"

[slim hamlet]

😄

[balmy condor]

you'll have more than enough time to read the FaQ during extended maintenance and server crashes on monday don't worry bud

[slim hamlet]

Or just be EU

[desert shard]

Don't forget the ddos

[slim hamlet]

NA actual beta testers

[balmy condor]

expansion release is global

same time

[slim hamlet]

damn

[balmy condor]

everyone gets to DC at the same time

[slim hamlet]

well its legit midnight release

So

[terse otter]

so this time NA got no chance for world first ? 😄

[balmy condor]

you're an actual clown

[slim hamlet]

• school next day so I take the L

[slim hamlet]

x

d

[distant mesa]

Evening in NA tho

[balmy condor]

expansion release is not the same as raid release

raid release is still staggered

also if you think NA gets an advantage off of the 1 day earlier reset

I can't explain anything to you

[slim hamlet]

tbf reset days are like 3 hours earlier than usual for EU, but legit doesn't matter for world first

like at all

[distant mesa]

It's funny they will release the difficulties all together but not the global raid all at once together

[slim hamlet]

No

it makes 100% sence

global release is dumb as shit. sorry not really tho

[near valley]

getting stuck on the zeppelin loading screen poggers

[slim hamlet]

No one would wake up middle of the night to begin raiding anyways for EU

[elfin forge]

Hey um, I was practicing simming on RaidBots. I used Fuu's spreadsheet where he has some Assassination sims/character linked. All I did was add extra talent trees to compare against and hit run. I probs fucked something up, cos Vicious Venoms just beat Flying Daggers for me.

[near valley]

you'd say no one would

but us EU residents can be quite degen

[slim hamlet]

You know what I mean

[balmy condor]

that shows it's worse

[slim hamlet]

World first wouldn't

[elfin forge]

nuh flying daggers is the -0.4

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hCJdkHXYofYQytBEkdsYUp

[slim hamlet]

I remember someone from echo was asked the question, and they said they wouldn't fuck their sleep for it no matter what

Think it was Gingi not sure tho

Never heard an actual EU gamer want global release

[near valley]

fucking it up day 1 fucks it for every other day

[copper hazel]

was probably gingi. But gingi also said they would just adjust sleep patterns to do it on a global release

[balmy condor]

it's not. The -0.4 literally shows what talents it's replacing. It replaced dragon tempered and 3/3 dashing for 1 point imp poison and kingsbane

[near valley]

so you'd have to e waking up for those midnight progs

[balmy condor]

this one shows that it's replacing flying daggers

[slim hamlet]

Sure they probably would end up doing it, but none of them wants it

[balmy condor]

because you can see the flying daggers get replaced

[elfin forge]

well the Vicious venoms did 85332k while flying daggers did 85066 no?

[balmy condor]

and it's within margin

[copper hazel]

oh no doubt, it would suck balls to adjust sleep patterns, eating etc just for a 1-2 week race

[near valley]

10 days max for this one i predict

[slim hamlet]

in before 4 week raid again

[balmy condor]

this is the build for the flying daggers my guy, the top build at 85,393

it's flying daggers

[copper hazel]

nahhh no shot its that long, blizz already said they are never doing a raid tier as hard as SOFO again

[terse otter]

oh god im allready being asked in guild "why not outlaw?" cuz outlaw is boring

[near valley]

unless Razageth is somehow Halondrus incarnate

[slim hamlet]

I know, hence the

[terse otter]

the funniest thing first one who asked me was guy whos playing frost mage no matter what

[distant mesa]

I told guild rng is to bad

[slim hamlet]

Found a guild that wanted my ass

[near valley]

[burnt star]

If i repeat the comment. Do u push it back 1 extra week? UwU

[balmy condor]

am I missing something

[near valley]

literally only using rogue for raid this season cause of atrophic and no one else wants to play it in my guild

sadge

my evoker time keeps getting cut in half

[night delta]

See, the issue is

you should've nicked Evoker One

[near valley]

trueeee

[wary ice]

i hope this helps

[balmy condor]

^

good visual

[elfin forge]

Just to clarify. On Fuu's spreadsheet, i click his Dragon-tempred blade link. Just to be able to accesss the character to sim. So yes that is the highest build. Then I added 3 kingsbane builds. So ignore the top build in that report. I only wanted to compare the ST build linked in the Pins, against Vicious venoms instead of Flying daggers. I am a complete noob in simming so my bad haha

[wary ice]

thanks i made it in ms paint w/ comic sans font

[near valley]

get out

filthy comic sans enjoyer

[balmy condor]

OH

I see

then yes

hidden blades is worse

you are correct

[elfin forge]

im just too shit to be able to create a custom sim to compare two builds i actually wanted to compare, so i had to do it in a dumbest way possible of course haha

[balmy condor]

it was a little confusing

but we got there

[near valley]

teamwork

[balmy condor]

I thought the entire time you were comparing to the top

and I was like

the top is flying daggers

but if you're just copy pasting the top

and comparing under that for kingsbane builds

then yeah

makes sense

[elfin forge]

maybe its better if you just sim a small talent change. The pinned Kingsbane build, vs this build

im just gonna fuck it up haha

[balmy condor]

yeh, and to be fair, it's a gear thing

a very rare case where it's a gear thing

[near valley]

btw, ik this is mostly a Sub question, but at higher target counts is sub better than OL in M+ on beta atm?

[wary ice]

is it not just he lack of TTB?

[near valley]

by higher i mean past like 10

[abstract gulch]

That tree is almost exactly what I'm running right now, minus kingsbane and the 3pt talent before it

[slim hamlet]

you're right it's a sub question

[near valley]

ikr

[royal lantern]

only tops here

[thorn fjord]

There is a Sub channel ya know

Theyre nice and dont bite

Unlike @gusty mirage

[balmy condor]

there's a reason it's what I put as the starter build :P

[near valley]

but do they have exwangwuinate?#

[royal lantern]

oxi is just the average TOXIC green name

[near valley]

no

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Oxi is hella nice tf

[thorn fjord]

He bites tho

[balmy condor]

well the thing is that flying daggers is 0 dps right, so as you get more gear, the "extra mut/ambush damage" starts to be more of a thing, on top of that blindside got buffed

[elfin forge]

so since its a gear thing, at what ilvl does vicious venoms pull ahead?

[spice spire]

Nah

[near valley]

readin Oxi's name all i keep thinking about is Oxytocin

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

like 400+ from what I can tell

but it's very gradual

scratch that, it's better at 350 as well, blindside buff be carrying

just run the double vicious I guess

[wary ice]

i mean specifically in the flying daggers build he simmed, its using 1/2 imp posion > toxic blades, so its basically 2 0dps talents being compared against 2/2 vicious venom, no?

[elfin forge]

new pined build incoming :OOO?

[balmy condor]

nah I'm not gonna bother

next update is FAQ

[abstract gulch]

oh sorry didnt mean to step on any toes or anything, I dont know who you are or what talent build you're referencing, I play a lot of different classes. Just came to the discord because I'm excited about assassination and the tree he posted was the first I saw, was surprised it was almost identical to what i came up with myself

[balmy condor]

it'll be in there

[elfin forge]

I just copied the pinned build. Unless i misclicked some talent?

[wary ice]

i mean ultimately we're arguing over like 60dps so who cares, but the kingsbane build in fuus spreadsheet is Flying + TTB

[elfin forge]

but what you say is true, the reason i wanted to sim is, cos i wanted to see if Vicious is better than a 0 dps talent in flying daggers, looks like it is

[abstract gulch]

so question to the experts: Is outlaw still unanimously the king of single target and AOE dps as well as top choice to bring in mythic +? Or is there hope for assassination/outlaw? Be practical please!

[gusty mirage]

gonna be a BANGER

[balmy condor]

oh, it's all good, I'm the wowhead guide writer, one of the recommended builds is that

so I just assumed you got it from there

usually how that goes

[near valley]

i thought i was the Wowhead Guide writer

[abstract gulch]

yep almost identical to what I came up with myself, I think I was running the +2 sec envenom talent over the amp poison, is amp poison actually good? it sounded bad theoretically

[near valley]

[elfin forge]

I'll try doing it again using the TTB as well brb

[balmy condor]

it's better than twist the knife I'll tell you that

[abstract gulch]

and I was running crimson blade or whatever the AOE is over the talent to the right of it, just to have some function in AOE

[wary ice]

amp poison is good yeah

[abstract gulch]

but i mean amp vs deadly, its worth using?

[balmy condor]

yes of course

[abstract gulch]

oh ok

[balmy condor]

if it weren't worth using

it would be a pretty awful talent point

[abstract gulch]

is it that obvious?

[balmy condor]

I mean kinda

if you put a talent point into something

you should be gaining dps right

[abstract gulch]

dude, you cant assume that lol

at all

[slim hamlet]

Why does this guy depict himself as an 8 year old girl

[balmy condor]

I mean I get that argument for utility shit like this

but like

can you show me an example of a talent where you do less damage when you put the point into it

[wary ice]

plz dont bully itk its trying its hardest T-T

[abstract gulch]

i mean 3k DOT + 350 instant on hit vs sometimes getting +35% on envenom dmg

thats not super clear cut

[balmy condor]

the instant damage is equal

so it's a comparison to dot or envenom damage

[abstract gulch]

true, sorry

[balmy condor]

and envenom is like

10% of your damage

while the dot on deadly is uh

not that

[abstract gulch]

deadly poison DOT is 5% of my damage

[balmy condor]

Idk the number

[abstract gulch]

when i parse

seems a lot higher

[balmy condor]

let me compare them side to side

we have tools for this for a reason

[abstract gulch]

so you're saying a CHANCE at +3.5% vs permanent 5%

my original comment was theoretically i didnt think it was even close

you said obviously it is

[balmy condor]

well I just threw out a number if I'm being honest, I don't have the numbers in front of me

[abstract gulch]

envenom is 12.3% of my overall

on my parses

so pretty close

the question is whats the uptime on 10+ stacks

[final tree]

unbelievable these theorycrafters just assume things these days, never looking at the numbers

[abstract gulch]

and even if its 100%, at those numbers deadly is better

just logically and mathematically

you dont need to sim

[wary ice]

i mean

[balmy condor]

also find this very hard to believe

[wary ice]

i will say an overall from 1 parse of 1 person~~ new to the spec~~ who already said he was taking CT for some AoE isnt exactly the sample size i would look for in making these decisions

[abstract gulch]

i didnt say i was new to the spec

[balmy condor]

is this prepatch?

or beta

[wary ice]

im sorry i had you confused with someone else then; but i stand by my point

[abstract gulch]

and I hold a lot of top 100 parses, across multiple specs/classes

this is prepatch, so you're right there

it could be totally different on beta

[slim hamlet]

So you dont to mechanics

[balmy condor]

oh

[slim hamlet]

Crisp

[balmy condor]

yeah I don't sim prepatch

worthless patch

[abstract gulch]

im not simming anything lol

[elfin forge]

@wary ice @balmy condor Retested it as per Bull's comment. TTB is still behind 2/2 Vicious

[abstract gulch]

I was parsing myself

[elfin forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6d7PSJP4uU3aBryu2zDrbD

[abstract gulch]

I'm not using covenants or legos

[balmy condor]

this is a side by side of ttk on the left, amp on the right

for beta

prepatch numbers are just

super messy

everything is tuned for level 70

and then they put it on level 60 chars

who don't have access to half the shit

it's kinda dumb

but what can you do

[abstract gulch]

but you've got deadly at 8.3%

which is even better

[balmy condor]

yeah, I split it out

[abstract gulch]

oh sorry yeah

[balmy condor]

so you can see that the instant is 5.9%

and the dot is 2.3%

[abstract gulch]

thats combined dot + instant

[balmy condor]

yeh

[abstract gulch]

i gotcha, i'll have to wait for launch i suppose

thanks for the discourse, I'll git it a shot

but i agree, twist the knife isnt super useful

give*

[balmy condor]

yeh you're 100% right though for prepatch

envenom doesn't do enough damage on prepatch

[abstract gulch]

but back the reason I'm here, if you guys will entertain a question:

so question to the experts: Is outlaw still unanimously the king of single target and AOE dps as well as top choice to bring in mythic +? Or is there hope for assassination/outlaw? Be practical please!

outlaw is super boring, so im hopeful

[eternal vortex]

"IS SIN VIABLE IN KEYS NOW TELL ME IS IT OUTLAW DO WE PLAY SIN CAN WE PLAY SIN? SIN META? SIN M+? NO OUTLAW? CAN IT COMPETE? IS IT VIABLE?
It's really good, viability depends on the meta but it's competitive atm. Also you don't do keys where you need to care about the difference stop pretending like it. If you did do keys at that level, you wouldn't pop up like a gopher every time sin got m+ buffs asking this"

[near valley]

[eternal vortex]

copied from pins

[abstract gulch]

could be outdated, especially with sims just coming out

so not helpful

[balmy condor]

I promise you it's not outdated

[wary ice]

wouldnt be pinned then 🙂

[eternal vortex]

its legit 4 days old

[abstract gulch]

you'd be surprised, i visit all the class discords

[wary ice]

this isnt other class discords

[kindred rapids]

outlaw is a lot of things but I wouldn't say it's boring

[abstract gulch]

oh, well excuse me lol

[wary ice]

we have loving and caring people lik whispyr :^)

[abstract gulch]

yeah hitting sinister strike into dispatch repeatedly is riveting lol

[eternal vortex]

i think rogue disc is one of if not the best class discord out there ngl

[gusty mirage]

okay okay, no need to lie

[abstract gulch]

dont get me wrong, i played outlaw for months in season 3/4, its just a very "predictable" class in its damage, it has no peaks and valleys

[wary ice]

i dont believe you could protect me 😦

[gusty mirage]

I'll fly to califor-ni-yay and fight him irl

[spice spire]

Unsure about the fight part chief

[uncut echo]

Punch into smooch pipeline

[elfin forge]

wow wtf lol, Fuu's spreadsheet is already updated with Vicious Venoms 2/2 what a wizard!

[balmy condor]

yeh I let him know

[elfin forge]

you guys work fast, mad respect

[spice spire]

It’s a fuun spreadsheet

What can he say

[uncut echo]

Class discord tho

[gusty mirage]

@balmy condor can you ban him again

[spice spire]

Not again

[vestal wren]

is that a copy pasta?

[spice spire]

No it’s literally in the pins

[vestal wren]

but that makes it a copy pasta

[spice spire]

You’re right fuu.

[terse otter]

I just dont get how some1 would play outlaw if they find him boring. Its boring for me as well, that's why im here and not looking back

[eternal vortex]

[slim hamlet]

Because performance = fun for most

I wouldn't play sin if it was complete dogshit even tho i love it

[wary ice]

no loyalty smh

[terse otter]

But its not dogsh1t

[balmy condor]

I do a little bit of fun at the end of a pin as a reward for the people reading to get to the end

[terse otter]

Ofc no one likes being in par with tanks

[balmy condor]

it's like finding an onion ring at the bottom of your fries

[terse otter]

But that's not the case atm

[near valley]

the outlaw slander

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

And here’s the burnt to a crisp regret:

is sin viable in keys now tell me is it outlaw do we plaie sin can we plaie sin? sin meta? sin m+? no outlaw? can it compete? is it viable?
it's weawwie good, viabiwitie depends on da meta but it's competitive atm. Awso you don't do keys whewe you need to cawe about da diffewence stop pwetendim wike it. If you did do keys at dat wevew, you wouwdn't pop up wike a gophew evewie time sin got m+ buffs askim dis

[balmy condor]

I hate you

[spice spire]

Same.

[eternal vortex]

the problem is i tried to read that

[kindred rapids]

now that's worthy of being a copy pasta

[earnest imp]

are there outlaw vs assasin sims available in this discord?

Cant seem to find

[elfin forge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTYgz1ZCEqoM-KDFQwvyWDSyDNTf8J5s1GD1lnhIwEdfmTZ31K0dnoRkHtgsq6ysEyt9qAke_e9uu01/pubhtml#

[gusty mirage]

best you'll get is fuu's spreadsheet

outlaw boys been slacking on getting sims in their pins

and wonder why we bully them

[spice spire]

Don’t bully Zac he’s a nice lad

[willow rapids]

ye blame guy 😛

zac's been doing a lot of work

[earnest imp]

thanks a lot for this

[royal lantern]

only good yellow name

[gusty mirage]

who bullies zac?

[spice spire]

Outlaw haters

He’s an OTP

[gusty mirage]

I've explicitly stated that zac and solo are off limits to bullying

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Silence, Meeting Misser

[royal lantern]

its ok to bully infitelad right?

[spice spire]

I slept sue me (no but really you mfs woke me up dming me so I’ve grievances)

And ive been awake since 9 last night

[viscid spear]

I just listened in while playing Scarlet

[near valley]

[royal lantern]

sorry, but thats the rule

only 1 good yellow name in the world

[near valley]

true and fair

real question here

[eternal vortex]

does zoldyck from talents increase the dmg of the serrated bone spike bleed dot aswell or thats a nono?

[near valley]

do i buy transmog with my evoker dinar or actual gear

[balmy condor]

yes

[eternal vortex]

oh nice, thanks

[elfin forge]

What about .... Exsang. Does that interact with Spike?

[uncut echo]

No

Exsang + sbs broke the game

It is excluded from interaction

As dope as it'd be

[royal lantern]

god i wish

infinte wave of yellow numbers

[elfin forge]

yer i thought it might be too good to work together. fair enough

[slim hamlet]

just .00001 sec bleed

[royal lantern]

its not "too good" its literally gamebreaking

exsang speeds up by 100%until the bleed runs out

SbS cant run out

[balmy condor]

it did work at one point

and it crashed the world servers when people used it 4-5 times on a world boss

[elfin forge]

hahaha

[willow rapids]

they should have just downloaded more ram

would have been fine

[near valley]

no one mad should have all that power

does exsang stack?

[next edge]

What do you mean stack

[soft shale]

no you are not getting 200% faster spike

[near valley]

yeah i thought it wouldn't work that way

was thinking if sbs did work with exsang u could theoretically stack asses together and exsang the boss to death with two buttons

[balmy condor]

calm down satan

it was crashing blizzard servers with 1 sin rogue stacking exsang

[near valley]

the good timeline

[slim hamlet]

Just get better servers

[near valley]

Ass would finely be the most broken spec in the game

would be a world ender

[willow rapids]

there would also be no game

[royal lantern]

no, it was the timeline where exsang still existed

[willow rapids]

[near valley]

exsang exists in all timelines

just called something else

exswangwuinate

[oblique wasp]

hello everyone, quick question - sin M+ build I am thinking about dropping SBS for Shrouded Suffocation - am I complete idiot, a little bit idiot or normie if I do that? I was thinking about garrote vs SBS and I have feeling that it would help me shorten the ramp up in M+ pulls.

[balmy condor]

we don't take sbs in m+ at level 70

probably fine

[oblique wasp]

ahhh I see

[willow rapids]

do prepare for the best ability you do take in m+ tho,

[elfin forge]

I recon you gotta add another U in there. ExswangUwUinate rofl

[oblique wasp]

cause I was like - shrouded suffoc makes me squeeze one full finisher in between the damage digestive when I spin out three garrotes + one more GCD for quciker spread of bleeds in mid-pulls

[near valley]

omg that is perfect

[oblique wasp]

btw I don't mind exsanguinate 😄

I'll admit Im looking forward to try it out

[slim hamlet]

Don't show your face here again buddy

[elfin forge]

what have i done haha

[oblique wasp]

but why everyone hates exsang?

[slim hamlet]

this

Read at your own risk

Might destroy the reality and universe you've come to know

[near valley]

cause they fear what they can't control

https://tenor.com/view/mace-windu-star-wars-hes-too-dangerous-to-be-kept-alive-lightsaber-gif-16396106

[proper tapir]

All you have to do is hit your bleeds again early and then exsang. It's not that difficult....

[slim hamlet]

Not one person has said it's difficult

[desert shard]

it's also not difficult to use haunt and siphon life on aff, or nether portal on demo, or breath on frost dk, it's about it being annoying, boring, a drag, - insert more adjectives here -

[oblique wasp]

I mean, you can always plan exsang, prepare it (as we do with everything in our spec dont we?) and then push exsang button for that one more silky squeeze

but I guess I understnad your position better now 🙂

[near valley]

breath is difficult if u press frost strike on accident

[willow rapids]

read that, I think whispyr unconsciously loves exang, but doesn't want to admit it, so he expresses it as hate

[desert shard]

and yet again, exsang is the topic

https://puu.sh/Jsh7m/d4bfced9c9.png

KEKW

[oblique wasp]

but I like squeezing so I like exsang I suppose 😄

[proper tapir]

Well if not difficult, it's not as insert hyperbolised reason either.

[slim hamlet]

I mean you can only line it up perfect everytime if you let your bleeds run out sometimes

[abstract gulch]

hey guys weird question, just to make sure: Doomblade counts as a bleed effect for the purposes of lethal dose right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[abstract gulch]

and exsanguinate?

[balmy condor]

exsanguinate is not a bleed

so it does not count

[abstract gulch]

no no i meant doomblade counts for exsanguinate

[near valley]

it goes beyond a bleed

exsanguinate is an ideal

a movement

[balmy condor]

it doesn't work with exsanguinate, no

doomblade works like ignite

[abstract gulch]

why not? its a bleed

[near valley]

a lesson

[slim hamlet]

a way of living

[balmy condor]

so there's no reason to exsanguinate

[abstract gulch]

so this does not cause Doomblade to tick faster?

[balmy condor]

correct

[abstract gulch]

why not? if Doomblade is a bleed effect?

[balmy condor]

because it works like ignite

[abstract gulch]

also same question for Serrated bone spike

[balmy condor]

so there's no reason to exsanguinate

[desert shard]

because doomblade knows better than to be affected by a shitty talent

[slim hamlet]

Servers = 🤯

[balmy condor]

bone spike can't work with exsanguinate because it would crash the servers again

[abstract gulch]

what does that mean, "theres no reason to exsanguinate"

[oblique wasp]

doomblade is cumulative bleed so it can't be corrsed with exsang no?M

[balmy condor]

exsang working on doomblade would be 0 damage

there is no gain even if it did work

[abstract gulch]

i would be using exsanguinate for rupture/garrote, it adding to doomblade would just be a bonus

thats just a weird thing to say

[balmy condor]

what

[slim hamlet]

Ehm achtuahylh its atleast 2 dmg 🤓

[balmy condor]

we're talking about doomblade + exsang right

[abstract gulch]

"no reason to exsanguinate" as if im only using it for doomblade

[balmy condor]

yeah specifically for doomblade

[abstract gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-is-that-confused-gif-14675917

[balmy condor]

you are a very weird individual

[willow rapids]

haven't used exang in a while, wouldn't you probably override the exang doomblade anyway, even if it did work? can't remember exactly how it works

[slim hamlet]

The double tick of exsang would be like 5 dmg

[abstract gulch]

im just asking if it affects it

not advice on if i should use it ONLY with doomblade lol

[balmy condor]

yes and I told you 3 times it doesn't

[verbal knot]

i dont get why you people hate exsang so much

[near valley]

cause they deny the gospel

[balmy condor]

and then explained why exsang would not give any additional damage if it did work with doomblade for context

[near valley]

they are sinners

heathens

heretics

[balmy condor]

and then you started talking about not casting doomblade at all

[desert shard]

shut the f up hahahaha

[near valley]

non-believers

[verbal knot]

exsang fun af fr fr ong

[abstract gulch]

right but exsang affects all of your bleeds at the same time

so i'd be using it anyway

[elfin forge]

You can test Doomblade very readily on a target dummy for yourself. Doomblade > Exsang, see if ticks faster = Profit.

[abstract gulch]

and doomblade would be up anyway

[balmy condor]

yes, of course you would use it anyway

but we're not talking about garrote/rupture

[abstract gulch]

so you agree its a weird thing for you to say

lol

[balmy condor]

we're talking about doomblade

I gave context on the specific combo of doomblade + exsang working

since that's what you asked about

[desert shard]

whispyr finna pop an aneurysm

[balmy condor]

I don't get whats confusing here

[abstract gulch]

"there would be no reason to exsanguinate"

[oblique wasp]

O.o

[slim hamlet]

Welcome to the Assassination spec discussion discord

We have a few rules that needs to be followed and agreed upon before chatting:

1. Don't mention exsang

[desert shard]

2. we don't talk about fight club

[oblique wasp]

😄 I knew it

[spice spire]

There’s like no gain.
You gonna wait until the db fully runs out and not mutilate?

[balmy condor]

aight let me reword this since you seem to be very stuck on this sentence:

Exsanguinate does not work with doomblade because doomblade is a cumalitive buff. If it did work, there would be no gain from that interaction because of it. You would use exsanguinate the same as now

[abstract gulch]

but if it does work, there would be a gain

[near valley]

why u arguing what cant be

[eternal vortex]

no

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I just explained why there wouldn't be, specifically to avoid this conversation

[subtle kiln]

[slim hamlet]

i died

[abstract gulch]

this is like some weird anime translation issue

[oblique wasp]

ackschually - from mathematical point of view exsang cant work with cumulative bleed tho

[near valley]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-i-am-so-confused-so-confused-confused-krabs-gif-22463422

[balmy condor]

I knew that "but why not" was coming

so I got ahead of it

and you still went there

[abstract gulch]

i don't think you're explaining yourself well

Its apparent that I don't understand

[balmy condor]

yes

and I'm not sure why

[near valley]

i guess he just wanted to make sure..... that it was a surething

[abstract gulch]

because you arent explaining yourself well

[balmy condor]

whats the part that's confusing you

[slim hamlet]

doomblades no work with exsang

.

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[slim hamlet]

done easy

[eternal vortex]

good one

[royal lantern]

dont try to understand exsang

there is nothing to understand

[balmy condor]

which part of my explanation

is making you confused

I can reword it

[verbal knot]

Whispyr is like a therapist for assa players now

[abstract gulch]

exsanguinate makes your bleeds tick faster, meaning they deliver the full damage in a faster amount of time

[balmy condor]

correct

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-trying-to-say-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20792223

[abstract gulch]

doomblade applies a bleed from your mutilate

[balmy condor]

correct

[oblique wasp]

we're hitting poison levels we never thought were possible bois 😄 I guess it is just us assassinations 😄

[abstract gulch]

you're saying exsanguinate does not increase the time that bleed from mutilate deals its full damage

[slim hamlet]

the 😄 are making me wanna

[verbal knot]

exsang

[spice spire]

it works like ignite
it works like ignite
it works like ignite
it works like ignite

[balmy condor]

doomblade is a cumulative bleed. It has no pandemic and no lost damage from refreshing, similar to ignite. If each mutilate adds a 1k bleed, they all stack on top of each other. If exsang were to work with that, it would still do the same amount of damage.

Exsang on garrote/rupture is a different story, because you actually gain damage from having additional ticks over the course of a fight

[royal lantern]

thats his own therapy btw

[abstract gulch]

right, and i accept that

[desert shard]

or his own personal hell, depending how u look at it

[abstract gulch]

i understand and accept that

[balmy condor]

okay

[abstract gulch]

then you say

if exsanguinate WERE to function correctly with doomblade and increases its damage per second, it would have no benefit

[balmy condor]

correct

[abstract gulch]

which is an issue I think I'm realizing with your usage of the english language

[balmy condor]

I mean you said it perfectly

that is how it works

[near valley]

which word exactly?

[ember mural]

But what a machine tool laid out in a composed programmed scenario isn't enough to determine 0.X% because it's 1 universe.

[near valley]

the no benefit part?

[abstract gulch]

what you mean to say is that if exsanguinate was TAGGED to affect doomblade specifically, it would have no effect due to it being cumulative

[elfin forge]

ExswangUwUinate

[abstract gulch]

and I'm taking it to mean if wow's system didn't function that way, and it did cause each instance to deliver the damage faster, obviously it WOULD be a benefit

[oblique wasp]

I am waiting for someone to put here the gif form that lawyer anime shouting OBJECTION ....

[balmy condor]

I fail to see the difference in those two statements, but I'm glad we reached an understanding

[abstract gulch]

you see what im saying?

[gusty mirage]

well this was a wonderful discussion

[royal lantern]

ease

[near valley]

was the point even about exsanguinate in the end?

[abstract gulch]

nope, just semantics

and misunderstanding

its important to understand why when you ask questions

[balmy condor]

the lesson learned is that I shouldn't give context to things because it can be taken out of context and return to my job as assassination rogue google

[abstract gulch]

and not just get the answer

[balmy condor]

just yes/no answers

[abstract gulch]

nope

[near valley]

[gusty mirage]

[abstract gulch]

thats 100% the opposite of the lesson you should have learned

especially if your goal is to educate

[slim hamlet]

I mean, it would unironically be like 20 dmg per exsang if it worked

[near valley]

pls teach me more lessons

[balmy condor]

I think the lesson you should've learned is that was a joke

which is 100% the opposite of what happened

[slim hamlet]

I want to learn too

[oblique wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-yikes-this-is-the-worst-cringe-gif-21219465

[abstract gulch]

sorry my initial impression of "Mr. Assassination Rogue Guru who worships anime girls" isn't one of humor

thats my fault

[near valley]

lmao

[slim hamlet]

WAIT

ARE YOU THE GUY

[verbal knot]

Jesus christ

[oblique wasp]

who doesn't tho ....

[verbal knot]

Lmao

[slim hamlet]

the "why does this guy depict himself as and 8 year old girl" guy????

IS IT YOU

you're famous dude

[balmy condor]

bit rude innit

[lethal magnet]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[oblique wasp]

guys chill out, everyone know that no waifu no laifu

[abstract gulch]

not me, but I don't support animated pedophilia

even ironically

[near valley]

LMAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAO

[slim hamlet]

Shit

[verbal knot]

LOOOOL

[slim hamlet]

you got caught whispyr

[willow rapids]

[gusty mirage]

okay

[desert shard]

I suddenly feel like starting to smoke weed

[gusty mirage]

everyone calm the fuck down