assassination

[balmy condor]

you just got owned by, as the romanians would say, a cherry licker

[subtle tundra]

do you know the one with the wolf

[burnt latch]

https://tenor.com/view/werewolf-wolf-middle-finger-fuck-off-fuck-you-gif-16365852

[oak sky]

Im fixing wolves

Ooooooh

[balmy condor]

yeah make like a feast and wolf down my cum

[fleet atlas]

Just read whispyrs why and why not to play sin in dragonflight and it got me thinking about one of my biggest dislikes of sin in m+ and was curious if other better sin rogues feel this or if it's just not that big of a issue actually and that is restealths feel so important and most good tanks seem to want to constant chain pull. Thoughts?

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

restealths aren't important

[limber lion]

But Apex > SbT has good synergy for AoE. Pressing an AOE Bite and feeling bad is fine, but SbT procing from the free AoE bite which increases all rip damage feels pretty nice imo

[subtle tundra]

there arent enough places where its easy to chainpull to matter

[limber lion]

Not a super fan of BT either

[subtle tundra]

you'd rather have a clean pull setup, let healer get mana etc

[visual prairie]

bt is easier in the new rotation

sorry i won't turn this into feral chat.

[subtle tundra]

isnt feral easier in df than before?

[burnt latch]

yeah

[visual prairie]

yes

[fleet atlas]

Ok cool. Honestly I'm really thinking about giving sin another go in m+

[limber lion]

yep

[subtle tundra]

i like that

[burnt latch]

u just spam primal wrath in aoe

big pog

[oak sky]

You already did didnt you

[subtle tundra]

omg

just like assa

we spam ct

omg

[limber lion]

primal wrath has insane synergy with everything

you press it and 17 different things happen

[burnt latch]

u played it like CT before where u just maintain the rips

[oak sky]

Really?

I thought you just spammed it

[subtle tundra]

i did spam it

[visual prairie]

no, you spammed it before too

[balmy condor]

whats your favorite type of milk, mine's a tossup between cheese and yogurt

[subtle tundra]

i like spamming

[oak sky]

Ice cream or choccy

[limber lion]

condensed milk

[balmy condor]

exsang enjoyer spotted

[subtle tundra]

mine is milk that has gone bad

[balmy condor]

oh chunky style milk

[hollow river]

Mine is sour and chunky

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

ice cream great answer

[burnt latch]

dude i love it when my coffee rng procs a chunk of milk

[distant fox]

no question, but with the new PW bite feels much worse, thats the thing, like so many buttons feel better and bite got worse with one thing speaking for it, SbT
BT wont get better, LI isnt an aoe talent imo. i find it disgusting.
i stay with LS its just to good to pass, and the only situation where you really lose value is in st, in aoe i doubt that it will make a big enough difference tbh, if i lose 2% i take it while crying because im so happy

[burnt latch]

like a bit of texture in my bad boy coffee

[oak sky]

Thanks im here all week

[limber lion]

I agree. LI feels so good in ST but so bad in AoE. And yeh I gotchu

[subtle tundra]

hmm

[distant fox]

imo it changed new interactions, but it doesnt feel like half your dmg is try hard, now dmg is easier, but you still have to manage bleeds a lot and top play stays difficult, but thats for the hardcore minmaxers i think, everyone else will lose dps trying to do it so.. 😄

[subtle tundra]

is assa good in m+

[solar rain]

look at pins reee

[subtle tundra]

delete outlaw!

[distant fox]

BrS would be cool if it wouldnt be coupled to swipe but kind of an upgrade to trash? damn that would be awesome.

[subtle tundra]

its probably easier than assa

[distant fox]

could be idk, havent played enough assa to have a real opinion

[limber lion]

I play both and I'm an assa main

and I think Assa is much harder

[spice spire]

Banana milk

[distant fox]

i think assa is more punishing if you dont get your opener done.
but it felt better then feral most of the time.. damn those bad convokes...

[balmy condor]

also a W answer

[burnt latch]

strawberry milk is the goated fruit/berry-milk

[hollow river]

Bana..na..?

[subtle tundra]

guys

so it has passed 12

its my birthday

[burnt latch]

didnt ask

[subtle tundra]

can i get an outlaw deletion

[hollow river]

M.i..l...k.....?

[subtle tundra]

for my birthday gift

[burnt latch]

https://tenor.com/view/plundered-no-bitches-marooned-scurvy-ratio-gif-24746770

[balmy condor]

you already got sin M+ for your birthday varas

[oblique jackal]

Does CT pandemic?

[balmy condor]

yes

[subtle tundra]

i wouldve played it regardless... through bad and good assa is my baby

[burnt latch]

[subtle kiln]

does condensed milk pandemic?

[balmy condor]

pandemics my colon

[forest nacelle]

[oblique jackal]

what is the Pandemic for CT?

like 4 seconds?

[distant fox]

i think its funny when assa and feral are called great for beginners and easy.. .ehm what? do you mean to do any dmg or REAL dmg?
df made both easier on some parts but also more depth was added imo
i love underdogs
well thats it from me, have a good night and thanks for your tips and the nice conversation 🙂

[balmy condor]

30% of the duration of the new CT

whatever CP you cast it at

[subtle kiln]

if only I could exsanguinate my non-functioning pancreas

[forest nacelle]

dead dead.

[balmy condor]

taking the steve jobs cosplay a little too seriously

[oak sky]

7 months ahead of me 😢

[limber lion]

wtf I cannot remember the last time I played Sub. I must have run a shit ton of keys in season 1

[balmy condor]

WARLOCK

MAGE

[subtle kiln]

insulin pump has my back

[balmy condor]

HUNTER

Cev

I thought I knew you

[distant fox]

feral should be 3x as high 😄

[oak sky]

I have mage on mine

[forest nacelle]

wtf, where does that post come from, and where can i go to show you my altaholicsm?

[subtle kiln]

this is what happened when he wasn’t green

[limber lion]

The big boys forced me to play those specs in Sanctum :((

But I'm back to my good boy ways now

the scary men are gone

[forest nacelle]

where does this picture come from?

[limber lion]

Raider io expansion recap

[forest nacelle]

oh

kk 😄

[subtle kiln]

start of 9.0?

for sub

[limber lion]

Yeh

Didn't touch Assa back then

[subtle kiln]

that’s my guess at least for most

[limber lion]

Only started playing it after the second aura buff

[subtle kiln]

I think Seli was only one really trying to make it work. yet outlaw is his most played spec.

[visual prairie]

i played loading screen the most.

[subtle kiln]

[celest helm]

where do you get that

[forest nacelle]

same

[slim hamlet]

I can't even click on the thing

[visual prairie]

that cogwheel has been spinning for 15 minutes

[slim hamlet]

Nothing happens

[forest nacelle]

this is one way to get ppl to pay patreon

xD

and even then.,......

[slim hamlet]

no click allowed

[celest helm]

anyone gonna tell me where i can find this or nah

[slim hamlet]

https://raider.io/shadowlands-review should be it but not working for me

[visual prairie]

raider.io/shadowlands-review

sorry review

[celest helm]

ty ty

[visual prairie]

well i don't need it, mine is feral >> assassination = elemental > outlaw > guardian

so i know about inting keys

[oak sky]

i had to turn off adblock to get it to generate

man

[forest nacelle]

is that the issue?

fml

[oak sky]

for me it was

[oak sky]

like all of the sin keys are from s1 and s2

[young knot]

Can assas do mythic fine ?

[oak sky]

yeah

you mean dungeons right

[young knot]

Yeah

[oak sky]

yeah

its not a sure thing that we'll be meta

but it's looking great

and even then all specs should be able to do anything but the very highest keys

[green harbor]

i've been generating my shadowlands recap for 45 mins

[oak sky]

try again

apparently a bug got fixed

but it might or might not fix it for everyone

[inner temple]

mine at least says that its generating now /shrug

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, devs are working on it, hopefully all fixed soon 🙂

[green harbor]

if it's for m+ only, mine won't say anything anyway, i only did like 3-4 keys in season 1

[gusty mirage]

I'm scared to show mine

[inner temple]

i wish i could :/ lol

[slim hamlet]

Been generating for 20 min too now

[marble hemlock]

DM me your r.io links and I'll forward them, maybe it'll help figure out the problem 🙂

Load is obviously pretty high right now, so that doesnt help.

[teal iris]

man I'm trying to not get my hopes too high but how they've handled assa makes it really hard to not get hyped

[dense herald]

Except for the 30 second opener yeah 👌

[teal iris]

30 sec opener?

[oblique jackal]

Does anyone a UI recommendation?

[dense herald]

More like 10 but still

[teal iris]

on single target you mean?

not sure why that's bad

[brazen zodiac]

[teal iris]

am I missing a joke or something?

[slim hamlet]

It's just a really long opener before going into the usual rotation compared to many specs

[peak bobcat]

Just play the game gamers

[balmy condor]

it's 15

quit whining ya boomers

[gusty breach]

[slim hamlet]

cant make me

[peak bobcat]

I go to bed every night and pray that they don’t nerf sin

[obtuse robin]

i can see sin staying as is its behind in everything else

(so far)

[peak bobcat]

Please blizzard

[green harbor]

Finally generated; 19 keys in total across the whole expansion

[celest helm]

how long did people stay stuck at the generating recap part of that lol

cuz mines been forever

[green harbor]

it will stay stuck until it doesn't, i kept trying again until it generated instantly

[maiden zodiac]

How do you do this?

[green harbor]

https://raider.io/shadowlands-review

[visual prairie]

pro key depleter

[timid cloud]

Did SL recap just come up?

I’ll probs wait until the last day to do it.

I bet Sin was my lowest key numbers done for the entire expansion….

[crystal tartan]

just cruiou what everyones thought are with outlaw compares to sin rogue coming into dragonlfight having very hard time choosing a side to lean towards more

[gusty kestrel]

why do u have to lean towards a side

[green harbor]

yeah the only barrier between either of those specs is a single one handed weapon, just play both

[topaz echo]

the only barrier is actually your APM

[balmy condor]

Had a stroke

[strange python]

this is probably a really dumb question.. but I have been away for about a year, and I have forgotten nearly EVERYTHING about my rogue... Is there a super dumbed down re-starter guide out there? Starting from zero with all of these abilities has me sweating hard... and of course all guides are generally geared towards maxxing out everything... which is not bad.... just bad for me right now.

[green harbor]

real

[balmy condor]

The wowhead guide has a quick start page with super stupid easy stuff

[strange python]

aiming high for me atm, would be low average. lol

[gusty kestrel]

what

[green harbor]

i can handle the APM mostly, but the amount of CDs i have to track is too much to handle

[strange python]

I will check that out. I feel like there are 10000000000 more keys and ability windows to hit than I remember. I am losing my shit

[balmy condor]

Cause like, had a stroke, so half of the body is limp

So you lean

[gusty kestrel]

im sorry for ur loss or happy that it happened

whichever works

[balmy condor]

It was funny in my head okay

[gusty kestrel]

was hilarious actually

[burnt star]

just read whispyr explaination on exsanguinate, tldr: we press it on cd and just make sure we refresh out bleed before, is there something else to it?

[timid cloud]

I’ve seen this line somewhere before….

[celest helm]

Play the one you like

[timid cloud]

Rogue is fun, I’ll play it. That is all. Regardless of spec.

[balmy condor]

yeah pretty much, max refresh garrote/rupture regardless of time left on them, exsang, let those dots tick out

making sure you don't exsang inside of a deathmark

you either exsang before the deathmark like in the opener

or you exsang after

but never during

[mellow dagger]

What's the order for cds then, @balmy condor ? With the single target build

I preface that, I get what you're saying about not using exanguinate inside of deathmark

[balmy condor]

sync vanish/deathmark, use every 2 min
exsang on cd
kingsbane on cd every min, every other kingsbane inside of deathmark
hold both shivs for kingsbnae

and then just sbs for the dot, then avoid overcapping

ER on cooldown, using the animacharges as you naturally hit them

uhhhhh

thistle tea for 100+ energy, basically starve yourself -> tea

[mellow dagger]

Ty

[balmy condor]

I feel like I'm missing one

[mellow dagger]

I have tea specd but haven't used it. Is it on or off gcd?

[burnt star]

how is deathmark working exacly. i mean is it dynamic

or does it snapshot

[balmy condor]

off gcd

[mellow dagger]

Nice, ty

[balmy condor]

deathmark is dynamic

[burnt star]

the only snapshot we have is exsang

[balmy condor]

you can imagine it as literally your normal gar/rup/poison, but twice

they are completely identical, function the same way, etc

[burnt star]

cool

and hmm

[balmy condor]

correct, exsang is a haste snapshot

[burnt star]

trinket whenever

[balmy condor]

haste steroids should be used before exsang in opener because of the snapshot, otherwise you're safe to use it with vanish/deathmark every 2 min

[burnt star]

is the 70 opener available somewhere? i only see the prepatch

only missing exsanguinate in there but i would assume we use after rupt?

[balmy condor]

We’ve just recently done opener things and I’ve talked with seli earlier today about keeping the guides consistent on that front

Will be updated

[burnt star]

ya i understand, make sens

just practicing on beta

[balmy condor]

FAQ might be ready before wowhead/icyveins launches

So keep an eye out for that

[burnt star]

but, hmm we dont wanna exsanguinate during deathmark

but since deathmark is dynamic if we exsanguinate before

then use deathmark?

so we dont delay it

and just refresh as normal

or would that be incorrect and need to wait for the exsanguinate "bleed" to end completly

[slim hamlet]

we dont?

[balmy condor]

Generally the idea is garrote -> rupture -> rupture for max pandemic -> vanish garrote -> exsang -> deathmark - envenom kingsbane shiv

[balmy condor]

Would be a fatal mistake

[slim hamlet]

How come?

[balmy condor]

It speeds up Deathmark

You would lose half of your cooldown

[slim hamlet]

Oh damn

That is awkward

[slim hamlet]

Didn't realise it also sped up dm

[silk linden]

if you want to get a max duration rupture before every exsang, is it a good idea to maybe just cast a 3 or 4 CP rupture if you know exsang will be ready soon after?

[balmy condor]

usually unnecessary outside of opener

[silk linden]

so you don't waste as many seconds/CP from the previous rupture

[balmy condor]

I'm sure you could do that in theory

but it's questionable how consistently you can do that

without fucking it up

[slim hamlet]

Another reason to

[balmy condor]

might get you an extra envenoms worth of cp over the course of a 5 min fight

if that's worth to you

go for it

[burnt star]

so, refresh no matter what, does it mean u also refresh a 30 sec rupture?

[balmy condor]

yes

[burnt star]

ya this is a akward situation

good to know tho

if the math is there

[slim hamlet]

ew

[dense herald]

Where’d you end up putting sbs

[balmy condor]

we agreed on this

[burnt star]

unrelated to exsanguinated, but do u keep the cycle of vanish garrote deathmark at every 2 min, or do u deathmark then vanish garrote, i would assume since your vanish garrote last longer u want to empower it first

[balmy condor]

so that's a bit of a loaded discussion

I don't really have the time to do a 30 minute history lesson on it

but the TLDR is the "sim perfect" rotation has you pressing deathmark, then vanishing about 10 seconds into it when the exsang garrote drops

and then never syncing them again

so you get 2:10 deathmark, 2:20 vanish, 2:30 exsang

roughly speaking

and you just deathmark a normal garrote

10 seconds in, vanish gar

that's about 0.3% better than syncing them up and using the opener I just posted

[burnt star]

wtf, ok thats more complicated

[balmy condor]

and me and seli both agree it's more realistic in an actual raid fight

to just sync them up

[versed mica]

Is Exang really that required? I hate

[balmy condor]

so we're going to be recommending that

[balmy condor]

yes

it's a giga talent

[burnt star]

well thx whispyr

[versed mica]

Gonna Exang myself irl

[burnt star]

im surprised with all the discussion u had with realz that they kept the exsanguinate idea like that

[balmy condor]

some problems just aren't fixable that easily

[burnt star]

ya, wasnt meant as a critic

[versed mica]

Exang throws off my groove

[balmy condor]

like symbols and shadow blades on sub are issues too that need to be replaced, but it's gonna take a lot of time and work to get sub to that point

sin in m+ is doing okay now, carnage is covering our AoE good enough, but it doesn't really solve our issues rotationally

it just makes us do enough damage to where it's fine

there's underlying issues that are kinda hard to just pull the roots from

[slim hamlet]

clicking envenom and shiv in aoe is still weird to me

[burnt star]

still gonna be better to play assa in key now then it was in s.l

way better

[balmy condor]

yeah its an improvement

but there's just a lot of stuff where it's easy to be like "oh just delete or replace or whatever it's fine", but its like years long work

[burnt star]

im happy tho, the dev team did a great job tuning assasination after removing the aura buff

[versed mica]

I prefer sin in M+ over outlaw even though I like outlaw better in raid, but I felt like I haven't been able to play it since BFA. Was happy to see it being competitive again, I just hate Exang too much to play it atm

[honest vessel]

exposed

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/get-the-fuck-out-gtfo-get-out-go-away-gif-8055436

[silk linden]

what if exsang simply applied a 10 sec debuff that doubles the tick rate of your bleeds without shortening the duration, that would be so much easier to play out

[honest vessel]

i swear i raided as sin

[uncut echo]

How do I do my recap? :C

oh, RAIDER IO!

[somber fractal]

is KB the new st king or is DTB still within margin of error?

[balmy condor]

KB is considered stronger generally because of the controlled burst and the stronger execute

but overall DTB is still fine

[burnt star]

o ya.. almost forgot.. still use finisher at max cp -1?

[balmy condor]

yes

[somber fractal]

is exsang still a 2%ish increase vs no exsang with all the changes?

[balmy condor]

5

[somber fractal]

im gonna need you to change the math on that

[hollow river]

So you mean, a mini death mark?

[somber fractal]

do we at least do more st than outlaw now?

[balmy condor]

oh yeah

for a while now

[burnt star]

unless theres some fix to the apl

even in m+ sub is higher then outlaw

even on 3 target

[somber fractal]

thats good at least. ive been out of the loop for a bit

[burnt star]

"for now"

[honest vessel]

pc is back 😄

we made it

[slim hamlet]

Imma need you to delete Exsanger from your name

[burnt star]

rofl

50 time season 1 to get that damn trinket, 50 time on season 2

[slim hamlet]

skill issue obviously

[honest vessel]

exsang c:

[teal bloom]

@balmy condor Wouldn't deathmark->shiv->envenom->kb be better than deathmark->envenom->kb-> shiv? Or is it more important to have dm and kb within 2sec of each other instead of 3sec

[dense herald]

Hahaha the good old shiv after kb discussion

[strange python]

I legit think I remember this run all the way back in s1

[burnt latch]

I had something similar

Spires with 00:00:00.0

Basically completing the key out of time but server tick being your friend

[honest vessel]

i think we were trying to test that out yesterday but getting it to work properly was a hastle and whispyr moved onto other things today, he'll probably come back to it

ofc someone correct me if im wrong

[teal bloom]

Okay

[balmy condor]

Sim don’t care about the difference

[ebon notch]

@limber lion

fated m+ spam

@final star you too lmao

[nocturne current]

I just read the article in WoW Head @balmy condor . Very well written.

[balmy condor]

Ty

Just don’t read any comments

Never read wowhead comments

[spice spire]

omw my way! to read the comments

[balmy condor]

Real.

[nocturne current]

I did the mistake of going to read them out of curiosity and you were right.

[spice spire]

I regret my changes

[marble hemlock]

Why is quake representing himself as a gorgeous fucking dog

[spice spire]

because I love my puppy

same with u and a beautiful cat

[marble hemlock]

True

I do love Nova :3

[prisma cypress]

this guy must be new to the internet

[violet jackal]

sanity still in tact 🙂

[spice spire]

[nocturne current]

That's a lot of gambit farming.

[violet jackal]

plageufall actually at 128

[subtle kiln]

I just read the wowhead article and the comments and because of you @balmy condor I’m going to play assa rogue spec in 10.0.

[green harbor]

my sanity would be long gone doing the plaguefall final boss that often

[torn atlas]

Pressing Shiv gives me the sad

[velvet siren]

If Exsanguinate let you refresh bleeds without losing damage it would feel so much better.

[subtle kiln]

no because then you’re just pandemicing an exsanginated bleed and it would never not be enhanced by exsang.

[drowsy estuary]

carnage buffed to 45 sec is awesome

[balmy condor]

Yeah true

[carmine dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/943808269531627611/image0.gif

[torn atlas]

You handled the rebuttal quiet well, but people aren't going to want to listen if they've made up their mind

[velvet siren]

I meant it feels bad being forced to let bleeds drop before reapplying them.

[subtle kiln]

it does not. so we can disagree

[oak sky]

Tbh thats like the least offensive part of exsang

[balmy condor]

The guy who said that is banned here

And he got banned in fel hammer

So uh

I don’t feel too bad

[subtle kiln]

FH ban woah

[spice spire]

Wait he got banned here? And in FH?

This man really loves his puter

[ebon notch]

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cute-smile-happy-zoom-in-gif-16655403

[carmine dawn]

[velvet siren]

What's the worst?

[carmine dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wtf-wth-whaaat-confused-gif-22918473

[subtle kiln]

refreshing during DM

[torn atlas]

Does feel a little counter-intuitive when you've conditioned yourself to pandemic refresh, but it's also how we've played all of S4 with tier.

[velvet siren]

Oh, I didn't play all of SL.

[verbal knot]

I was told that tauren got the best racials for us now for horde side , is that true?

[subtle kiln]

always has been

[carmine dawn]

if you have to ask about racials it doesnt matter

[torn atlas]

Faster herb gathering bis

[prisma cypress]

it matters the same for everyone

which is very little

[green harbor]

Looking good is a bigger dps increase than the best racial

[subtle kiln]

nah. it matters for liquid and echo more than anyone else

[prisma cypress]

it’s more of a dps boost for them? how?

[carmine dawn]

we're arguing semantics

lets not

[subtle kiln]

I don’t argue with mustard

[prisma cypress]

i’m not arguing semantics

[subtle kiln]

just makes more laundry.

[verbal knot]

I agree but this is the only time where tauren rogue has been a thing so im curious

Keep seeing top rogue players switching to it so wondering if theres a reason

[hollow river]

can you make my lawn dry too plz? i'd like to touch the grass it's been so long

[hollow river]

for the meme

[subtle kiln]

can you touch grass when it’s under 5’ of snow?

[balmy condor]

His point is that if you played at a level where you could use any minor gain it gives, you would be able to find the info without asking in here

[nocturne current]

Depends on the content you want to do. Shadowmeld for example is quite handy in M+, Raid not so much.

[torn atlas]

Pirate Cow is pretty awesome but assassin cow just doesn't feel right.

[carmine dawn]

i swear to god if you say shadowmeld for ambush

im gonna lose it

[verbal knot]

trueee

[subtle kiln]

tell key pushers on the top end that dwarf bleed isn’t bis

[carmine dawn]

whatcha pushin bud

[hollow river]

i shadowmeld for ambushes all the time. best most fun in my raid fights.

[subtle kiln]

about two fidy

[nocturne current]

You can Shadowmeld to 3/4 garrotes in non-boss which is quite nice, and dodge some nasty spells.

[celest helm]

When i meld i cant use stealth abilities recently anyone know why?

[carmine dawn]

because meld doesnt activate stealth bar

[nocturne current]

You have to meld > stealth. (doesn't work in encounters)

[celest helm]

I have a macro to meld and stealth which works in pvp and not in combat but not while in combat

[hollow river]

[nocturne current]

In M+ works fine, just not in bosses.

[celest helm]

Okay ill have to work more testing on it then!

[prisma cypress]

everyone can use the gain, though - if something does 0.2% more dps, that’s true regardless of what your dps is to begin with

[nocturne current]

There can happens sometimes where you Meld but some mob puts into combat from some wonky targeting, but with macro you enter stealth almost instantly.

[celest helm]

Can u link your macro you use real quick mine may be wonky too

[nocturne current]

#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast Stealth

[carmine dawn]

alright ill entertain it @balmy condor

[celest helm]

ok ty so its the same

[carmine dawn]

it actually DOES mean more for WF raiders

because they have DPS checks

[gusty mirage]

why don't you check this buddy

[prisma cypress]

doesn’t everyone?

[carmine dawn]

i guarantee you arent playing content where you have dps checks that arent squashed in under 2 weeks

[gusty mirage]

got em

@carmine dawn

[carmine dawn]

no

[nocturne current]

See, this is why I like you.

[carmine dawn]

not everyone has dps checks

[hollow river]

[carmine dawn]

in fact most players dont have dps checks

[prisma cypress]

dps matters for every guild, no matter what level of content they’re doing

[carmine dawn]

unless the raid fight was meant to be that way

[ebon notch]

what are you nerds talking about now

[carmine dawn]

(sludgefist)

[balmy condor]

I hate it here

[gusty mirage]

bro go play unholy dk and eat some beans and toast

[ebon notch]

???

want me to leave?

[gusty mirage]

I want you to love me

[hollow river]

[carmine dawn]

[gusty mirage]

[carmine dawn]

im losing it

[gusty mirage]

[carmine dawn]

this is why i dont leave my little hole

[oak sky]

I want you to be happy

[gusty mirage]

see emote name

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

I love your little hole the most

[hollow river]

understandable

[gusty mirage]

bro?

@hollow river

[hollow river]

someone is saying dps from racials matters for everyone

[hollow river]

[prisma cypress]

dps matters for everyone, yes

[gusty mirage]

I mean if your goal is to min-max, it matters yeah

[deft flicker]

Yes. But unless you’re a Hall of Fame player you can probably get those .2-.5% by just pressing buttons better and save a ton of gold

[carmine dawn]

im being a dick and i know it and im sorry. but almost every DPS check you think you might have can be solved with more efficient play and less mistakes

[prisma cypress]

sure, there's lower-hanging fruit than racial optimization, but the racial still matters

[oak sky]

Usually dps checks barely exist for mid to late tier guilds

Its just

Did anyone die

If no, dead

[hollow river]

i got CE with a vulpeera in the raid

[balmy condor]

I hate it here

[hollow river]

racials don't matter

[carmine dawn]

[prisma cypress]

you're thinking of this very narrow definition of "dps checks" as being some kind of enrage timer. but dps matters for beating soft enrages, or even just killing the boss before your shitty healers run out of mana

[oak sky]

I got ce with a warrior with broken armor

Guess which is more dps my racial or his armor

[carmine dawn]

i guess in an AOTC guild where pumpers need to carry people and you need to eek out numbers

sure

lets maximize

[hollow river]

[carmine dawn]

my bad

[prisma cypress]

dps is dps

[frozen mesa]

Oh yeah! Well I got CE as spectator

[hollow river]

[carmine dawn]

do you genuinely think .02 DPS is more important than doing mechanics right

[balmy condor]

We got CE with an enhance shaman wearing an orgrimmar cloak

[nocturne current]

Bro, I did all the way to 2800 playing broken-ass Night Fairies, much less racials.

[carmine dawn]

lmk

[prisma cypress]

absolutely not, and i never said it did

[subtle kiln]

we got CE and our officer gave a mount away to a pug replacement.

[deft flicker]

If you still need .2% more after perfecting your rotation, cooldown distribution, using defensives for damage whenever possible, gear, build, consumables and externals - yeah, feel free to race change

[dense cedar]

if you do damage to a boss you are simply being a bully and should be exploded by blizzard

[verbal knot]

Racials won't save someone if they are ass but if a racial gives a certain amount of dps its gonna be there no matter how you play your rotation,not by being a complete mongol but you get it

[prisma cypress]

.2% is .2% whether you've optimized everything else or not, that's my point

[dense cedar]

if the .2% makes u play ugly choice

[nocturne current]

Very situational.

[dense cedar]

then its a dps loss

[torpid hinge]

and $20 is $20 👀

[dense cedar]

psych urself out

[carmine dawn]

ok well heres what you dont want to do: you dont want to make people think things (racials) matter by saying something like "all dps matters" because its just not productive and we want to help people get better by learning what makes a real difference, like doing mechanics right and rotation well

so yes you're right for technicalitys sake.

whatever. nothing matters anyway

[verbal knot]

thats like a days food supply for me fr fr

[dense cedar]

a day...

[prisma cypress]

it's okay to put it in perspective by saying it's one of the smallest contributors to your damage, that's true

[verbal knot]

yup

[nocturne current]

But who said is 0.2%?

[hollow river]

it's usually 0.1-0.2%

[dense cedar]

20 bucks is a lot more than 1 day's worth of food

[hollow river]

unless you talk about outliers like void elf/mechagnome shit

[dense cedar]

void elves look nice

so not a bad choice for dps

the racial is kinda niche on melee tho

[honest vessel]

it's sick for workshop and yard

[hollow river]

they do more shadow dmg or something iirc

[verbal knot]

not for me

[honest vessel]

skip that stealth bots and the final boss gauntlet

[dense cedar]

gotta stop eating gold bars

[dense cedar]

i'll always prefer shadowmeld memes

mechagnome look worse than gnomes

hard no for dps bonus

[verbal knot]

thoughts on nightborne

[nocturne current]

But what a machine tool laid out in a composed programmed scenario isn't enough to determine 0.X% because it's 1 universe.

If by any chance you're able to let's say... Shadowmeld away when your tank dies and you're back into the fight that's a fat DPS win right there that another race would probably be dead. So saying it's whatever % it's kinda meh, so dependent on scenarios that don't exist for machines to process scenarios.

[dense cedar]

arcane pulse isn't terrible

[verbal knot]

noo i mean look-wise

[dense cedar]

uhh

[nocturne current]

Tauren stomps that save the party/raid, etc.. Very hard to calculate.

[honest vessel]

mechagnome literal worst garbo

[dense cedar]

if you aren't into the more beast-like appearances of horde characters

[deft flicker]

Decent, but probably not for rogue

[dense cedar]

not a bad choice

less good than belf imo

[torpid hinge]

i play troll so I can berserking snapshot my exsang 🙂

[dense herald]

Hyper are you intentionally difficult? 😂

[dense cedar]

i'd put them below goblin or vulpera tho tbh

both are short in a way that's funnier than gnome or dwarf

[verbal knot]

I think they can fit being light and skinny for stealth and whatnot but arent they mage people or something

Like ancient magic or some shit

[nocturne current]

I remember our old guild first Legendary daggers went to a Gnome rogue because, and I quote:

"He is a gnome."

Nobody objected against.

[dense cedar]

gnomes can crawl inside of the boss's big armour and stab from within

[deft flicker]

Most races can, nightborne doesn’t really have any rogue-specific vibe going on (unlike, for example, goblins)

[dense cedar]

tbh

nightborne have anti-rogue synergy

"something's not quite right..."

[deft flicker]

Detect Traps

[green harbor]

My rogue is nightborne

[celest helm]

Nightborne is easily one of the ugliest rogue races only beaten by the abomination of tauren rogue

[green harbor]

perhaps ugliest rogue race, but 2nd best horde race and i already had too many blood elves

have to take what i can get as an alliance refugee

[thorn crater]

then what are goblins?

u can make nightborne tolerable (not the males)

[burnt latch]

Yo if i actually have to play a tauren rogue for dps someones gonna get hurt

Deviate fish stock too large

[thorn crater]

isnt the cow rogue just a meme

wym dps gain 😛

[dark shuttle]

i swapped to cow the day prepatch released

first thing i did

[burnt latch]

Saw some disturbing sims

[thorn crater]

https://tenor.com/view/polish-cow-cow-dancing-gif-20702512

[burnt latch]

Actually madge af

[spice spire]

[fallen arch]

Talk about otp’s

[torn atlas]

I don't get the Cow rogue hate tbh

[burnt latch]

Its too big of a model i cant see shit

[frigid silo]

Tauren is shit for mogs

[burnt latch]

Been playing with it on beta and noggenfogger has been mandatory

Couldnt care less about mogs personally but i just cant function with a model that large

[torn atlas]

Only thing I found that looks good is the black and gold Sanctum set.

[thorn crater]

ye this was my problem too

[torn atlas]

I'm opposite, I struggle with vulpera and gobbos cos their size throws me off.

[thorn crater]

i mean, both can be weird if ure not used to them no?

[torn atlas]

Yeah true

I'm usually female orc which is probably around average size model

[thorn crater]

ive only played belf rogue since tbc

cant imagine playign another race on it

[torn atlas]

I made a cow for fun and to experiment with leveling through the new talent system.

But will no doubt go back to orc at launch

[worn badger]

Mechagnome is only real rogue race @honest vessel ... i hope you never win a roll for loot again ever..

[honest vessel]

go poop in ur stinky diaper diaper baby mechagnome

[toxic beacon]

Is there a way to easily got things to do Duskwalker's leg ?

[candid crypt]

@balmy condor hi

do exsanguinate work on multiple target bleeds ?

when i use it ?

[dense cedar]

it only applies to your target

[candid crypt]

ahh ok

[dense cedar]

still best option to take in M+

just use it on the big guy

[candid crypt]

all i have to do is refresh my bleeds on that target before using it right ?

[dense cedar]

well

if ur doing it at the start of the pull

you should be fine due to IC ramp

but yeah

u max duration bleeds for it

as long as you aren't overwriting an empowered garrote

afaik

[candid crypt]

by the way do you guys aware of the bug thats not too much important now ?

when i switch to necrolord

and use serrated bone spike

it gets removed after 2 3 second

but when i switch to venthyr and talent into serrated bone spike it stays on target

1 week left for DF anyways but ..

[toxic beacon]

Is there a got to take as a reference for Assa in M+ rn ?

[steel ridge]

known bug

[distant fox]

good morning, if got a question, lets say i fight 8 targets and use carnage. okay all are bleed up with rupture and empowered garrote. should i wait till all garrotes fall of or still reapply it on cd that i have as many out as possible? im curios because of the snapshot. rupture will help with the energy flow why im even more unsure if using garrote on cd and removing snapshots is that good^^

[dense cedar]

u garrote to refresh duration its not something u just use on cd

[steel ridge]

garrote has 6 cd cooldown, its a pain to maintain on so many targets

[honest vessel]

u never override an imp garrote with a non-imp garrote

[distant fox]

so in the case of 8 targets you let all fall off and then build up your garrotes?

[subtle tundra]

"build up" just press on cd on targets that dont have

[somber fractal]

so if you deiced to sync the CDs do you use the 3rd exsang at 1:30 and then hold vanish/dm/kb for 15 seconds for the 4th exsang?

[final star]

[meager granite]

I would say it depends if it makes you lose a cast of not

[modern seal]

Can someone help me with the opener when i play KB+exs?

on lvl 70

[subtle tundra]

[distant fox]

after our aoe applier in some pulls there isnt much to garrot anymore, like up to 10 targets are easily bleed up. if so i wait till imp garrotes fall of right? when all got it, i have to wait, thats the point of my quesiton

[thorn crater]

Varas

Do you bother with pandemic for the Ic bleeds

Or nah

What’s the experience on M+?

Actually nvm I’ll check your vods

[oak sky]

Yeah you do

[vestal cliff]

Whats the best Single Target Rotation?

[oak sky]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[oak sky]

check those out

but the basic idea is maintain garrote and rupture, then envenom while both are up, and the rest is mostly different cd timings

[verbal knot]

This is the go to kingsbane opener for DF correct?

[subtle tundra]

The keys I have played have been to low to refresh a lot

[verbal knot]

Can someone explain why we rupture and then instantly replace it with an ER empowered one instantly

Im sure i missed something in the taslnets

talents*

[faint sinew]

you want to have it at max duration for exsang

[subtle tundra]

Exsanguinate

Poggers

Not confusing at all

[faint sinew]

same reason you're using another garrote

[little light]

but we doing rup > ER > rup

I guess there is some pooling time in between

[limber lion]

pooling?

[copper hazel]

isnt it just an ER crit, so you hit the rup on a 2 pointer

[limber lion]

Not a crit, ER generates 2+ cp everytime

[copper hazel]

ah yeh fair, forgot that

[night delta]

at least 2 cp everytime*

[uncut echo]

Spec goated if exsang goes away

How much dps is lost if we just fire exsang without worrying about pandemic dots

[limber lion]

At that point you might as well just not play Exsang at all

[uncut echo]

I'm ON IT

[torn atlas]

That hidden tech

[dense herald]

Cev, on aoe, for pure damage as opposed to prio damage, can you just ignore exang? Or do you still try to pandemic dots and hit exang

[night delta]

less extreme : what if you play exsang by not reapplying bleeds **for **it, but instead fire it **when **you happen to reapply bleeds ?

(and have it off CD ofc)

[limber lion]

You can likely ignore it altogether on 3+ targets. One of the most attractive parts about Exsang is the increased energy regen that you get from the faster bleeds, but that doesn't do much when you're already energy saturated on 3 targets.

Probably still worth playing around it on 1-2 targets.

[dense herald]

Okay that’s actually nice to hear, so you can just hold it for prio or bosses. I thought you had to fit it in to the rotation somehow on aoe but it’s nice to just IC bleeds and CT/env spam tbh

[limber lion]

Well technically ER always generates 2 combo points and Seal Fate generates the additional combo points after the fact. But yeah :P

[limber lion]

Holding Exsang is not worth it at all unfortunately.

Even holding it to sync with Deathmark/KB/Shiv's/whatever is not worth it which is unfortunate.

[balmy condor]

Hello!

Cev you’re looking good today king love the hair

[night delta]

at this point might aswell make it a 1 min CD to avoid the dick ripping at a completely unsynced exsang

[uncut echo]

I'm so excited to level as rogue only to be made to tank keys in df 🥰🥰🥰

[balmy condor]

That’s why you play rogue

“Sorry only dps specs”

[uncut echo]

Hehe

I just wanna stab some people

[balmy condor]

Same

In Game obviously

Not irl

[verbal knot]

[balmy condor]

[desert shard]

https://tenor.com/view/jahy-sus-jahy-sama-critzune-gif-25357219

[little light]

just trying to undertand, im clueless 😛

[balmy condor]

It just maxes pandemic

That’s all it is

[little light]

ah ok that makes sense

[limber lion]

Just messing with ya, we don't really pool at all anymore. It's a relic from the past.

[limber lion]

You're looking mighty fine yourself, getting hotter by the day

[slim hamlet]

I don't even know what pooling means

[little light]

no worries the moment I typed pooling I knew that wasnt really a good take haha

pooling = just waiting for energy if you wanna chain some finishers

[slim hamlet]

Oh

That's sounds boring

[meager granite]

we used to do that for toxic blade burst

😄

[little light]

it is a relic from the past as ceverion said

[thorn crater]

I realized there is no way to apply pandemic on both rup and emp garrote so I guess what I meant is like open garrote IC garrote rup

IC is normally on the GCD right?

[subtle tundra]

No

[thorn crater]

No to which of the two :p

[subtle tundra]

Gcd

No gcd

[white temple]

Where is the place I can put a stake on Exsang?

So it can bleed harder

[thorn crater]

ok so u can stack it up

if u want/need to

ok ty

[gusty mirage]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

get in line

other people wait longer for that one

[slim hamlet]

Just use exsang on the line

make it tick double speed baby

[royal lantern]

but then you have to re-queue faster aswell

[slim hamlet]

and make the queue longer before even doing it

[elfin forge]

Does Nightstalker buff the ambush from a Blindside proc?

[slim hamlet]

huh

dispatch?

[elfin forge]

sos meant to say Blindside

[slim hamlet]

I mean idk for sure, but you aren't in either stealth or shadow dance

[gusty mirage]

No, because you’re not in stealth

[balmy condor]

you would have to blindside proc from stealth or dance yeah

a blindside proc doesn't mean you're in stealth

[elfin forge]

cool, was just checking if it worked for some reason.

Just catching up on rogue info, reading all the pins/guides/etc. I see a lot of Amplifying poison being selected. You have to give up Deadly for that right? Does amplifying just sim higher?

[royal lantern]

why else would we pick it....

[slim hamlet]

Cooler poison

[balmy condor]

we pick the talent because it's worse than deadly and we love losing dps

correct

sin is so good, we decided to just throw a point away

[slim hamlet]

Why we bully

[viscid spear]

Deadly
Amp

[balmy condor]

the poison discussion is really dumb

[elfin forge]

its not a problem. I expected to be bullied for basic questions all good haha

[balmy condor]

like dumb questions? fine

but poisons?

really dumb

[copper hazel]

why cant more people be understanding like this

[balmy condor]

it's very basic logic to be like "hey this is a talent point I have to place into something" and then the follow up would be "if I place that talent point into it, it must hold value, so it must therefore be better"

cause if it didn't hold value as a talent point

there's a perfectly fine second path

that has no downside

and we would take that

and like that's not pointed at you Nhamro, I'm really happy you asked and have the confidence to put yourself out asking a question like that

there's nothing that warms my heart more than rogues trying to learn

I promise

but you're like the 50th person to ask something along the lines of "do we use amp over deadly?"

[royal lantern]

passive aggresive whisper

[balmy condor]

and I'm like

what?

I just don't get it

I couldn't get myself into a situation where I could see the side of the new rogue looking at a talent, not even class tree, but straight up on the spec tree, and going "no shot this is better than the default poison right?"

my brain simply cannot understand how to get to that point

[slim hamlet]

I think amp is better than deadly

[night delta]

tbf that's kinda strawmanning Nhamro's actual question

[balmy condor]

tbf this isn't about his actual question

so I don't really care

thanks though

[subtle tundra]

The fuck is a strawman

[elfin forge]

@balmy condor I completely understand. You must be bombarded by the same silly questions all day. I'm in a similar position in a completely different field. I just looked at the tree and was like Amp over deadly? And we also take 1 flying daggers + 1 improved poisons instead of like 2 points into Vicious Venoms? and I'm like, it must sim higher, but I'll check anyway haha.

[subtle tundra]

I will kiss you

[marble hemlock]

sadly due to the unlock-limitations of the rows 5-7 we cant do the latter

[balmy condor]

thing in a field

[subtle tundra]

Ah scared crow

[night delta]

well actually no

[balmy condor]

yeah and I do talk about the reason here

[strange python]

scare crows are league heroes

[balmy condor]

the flying daggers thing is definitely out of left field

I completely get that

[night delta]

straw man is the act of building an effigy out of straw, pretend it's an accurate representation of your enemy

then burning it

figuratively, in a debate

[slim hamlet]

nerd

[strange python]

burning man? that's a festival

[balmy condor]

good thing Nhamro isn't my enemy and neither is his question and none of it is what I was actually arguing against

strawman these nuts

[elfin forge]

Yer i saw the comment on vicious thats why in my original question i only asked about Amplifying. All good though, sims are sims.

[subtle tundra]

This is beyond my conceptualization

[balmy condor]

be like that

[woeful wigeon]

guess he will take this as a compliment @slim hamlet

[elfin forge]

@balmy condor Can I ask 1 more REALLY stupid question?

haha

[woeful wigeon]

i feel bleeds comming

[balmy condor]

of course

[slim hamlet]

As long as it isnt about exsang

[balmy condor]

[elfin forge]

its an Exsang question, hence i'm asking for permission haha

[desert shard]

Its always an exsange question

[winter moss]

[strange python]

exan is literally everyones favourite topic

[balmy condor]

I love exsang questions

because every exsang question I answer

[strange python]

no. 1 rogue reuqest was for it to be in the class tree

[woeful wigeon]

we knuw it we we all like common type it COMMMMMOOON

[subtle tundra]

Haha pandemic

[winter moss]

exsang on cd or on cd

[balmy condor]

I slowly break the will of an exsang enjoyer

[desert shard]

Raging about exsang is meta

[slim hamlet]

True tbh, I thought it looked cool, then I learned and now

[strange python]

I like exan 😛

[winter moss]

exsang is the topic:

[strange python]

exsang is fun, its the chaotic evil of the talents world

[subtle tundra]

Exsang is living rent free in my head

[woeful wigeon]

if you wanne play it place a pin upsidedown gluwed the that specific buttom and evry time you wanne use it you will feel the bleed irl you shud try

[burnt star]

Ok. U want an exsang question:
Since u want to refresh rupture no matter what before exsang even with 30 sec left on it. And also since we normaly. Finish at max cp -1. Would we overcap cp to make sure we have a 6 cp rupture ( 34-35 sec) over a 5 cp rupture refresh?

[slim hamlet]

atleast a 10% dmg increase

[winter moss]

i mean tbh

if you have a 30 sec rupt before exsang comes of cd

[woeful wigeon]

🤣

[winter moss]

try to stretch it

30% pandemic for a reason

[slim hamlet]

But mr Whispyr said on cd

[deft flicker]

If you have a leftover 30s rupture you probably refreshed it like 5s ago, so just press exsangy

[elfin forge]

ok I completely understand the use it on CD for highest value/dmg. Cool np.
Theoretical Question. Exsanging gives more energy generation via Venomous Wounds right, so for dps as a whole, does Kingsbane benefit from the extra spike in energy to yeild more dps for that kingsbane window if we waste some exang casts by holding it for Kingsbane? How much dps % do you loose, by Exsanging with each Kingsbane instead of on CD? 45 seconds CD just feel like shit

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-math-gif-5022798

^ whispyr coaching people on proper exsang use

[elfin forge]

I did say it was a really stupid question haha

[woeful wigeon]

that reply is posted so fast bro like wtf

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I was like through 1 line and you already replied with a meme even

[rotund oxide]

They should just change the CD and scale it higher 😛

[elfin forge]

yer 1 min exsang is what i want personally

[spice spire]

My will remains

[slim hamlet]

I want it to be 10 mins so we don't take it

[woeful wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/nuts-chestnut-peanut-walnut-hazelnut-gif-17852541

[white temple]

I can't see how Exsang is fun. IDGAF if I'll lose 1000% DPS, I ain't using that shit

[elfin forge]

but like. what's the actual dps difference between using on CD or syncing it with Kingsbane , and by extension every deathmark/

[woeful wigeon]

the only moment it was fun when we where in bfa with coruption and 80%+ haste

[balmy condor]

this is actually not very easy to just give a number on, but I'll try my best to duct tape a sim real quick

[rotund oxide]

I remember when Exsanguinate came, it was a much higher % right? Like 400% or something, was a blast in pvp 😛

[strange python]

your question though @elfin forge honestly exsang is like an HP Lovecraft villain, there's poor use, good use, and perfect use. But actually working that out on the fly at times can be like staring into the void of existence - And TRYING to do it acurately will guarantee you become a raving lunatic

[winter moss]

okay now to the most important exsang question

is there a pin about it

[elfin forge]

its questions like that, where i wish i knew how to operate sims 😦

[winter moss]

their github resources are vast and plentiful knock yourself out

[balmy condor]

yeah the issue that even I don't really know how to make it do that reliably

sims are fickle

[elfin forge]

Syncing it to Kingsbane just feels most fun to me. My hope that the fact that each deathmark and kingsbane get an exsang could at least make that and exsang on CD break even in dps.

[balmy condor]

oh I can tell you without simming that it's not even close to break even

[elfin forge]

sad day

[balmy condor]

I didn't quite get it to sync perfectly, but this is pretty much close enough

[night delta]

oof

[elfin forge]

ouch

[balmy condor]

call it 3% if it does it exactly how its supposed to

[slim hamlet]

[strange python]

oh aye, that's more than I thought it would be

[white temple]

I ain't dying for 3%

Hell

Without Exsang, what's the diff?

[slim hamlet]

220% dps decrease

[strange python]

^

[earnest imp]

Wasn't it 9%

[strange python]

basically the same thing to most rogue players

[night delta]

basically you'd subject yourself to your own atrophic poison

[uncut echo]

I'd fucking love exsang if it worked like flourish

[uncut echo]

Oof size large

[balmy condor]

uhhhhhhhhh........ this also isn't very easy for me because the opener is hard coded in these sims until I can get the logic into the core hold pls

[white temple]

No rush, it's just out of curiosity. I ain't touching that with a 10-meter pole

[elfin forge]

so you're saying there is a chance ;O

[balmy condor]

no there's no chance

[elfin forge]

haha dam

[spice spire]

[copper hazel]

its about 34.34% recurring

[spice spire]

Whíspyr have you slept buddy

[strange python]

recurring of course

[balmy condor]

woke up 2 hours ago king

[uncut echo]

Let's GO

[spice spire]

God bless

[ember mural]

Slept more than you apparently

[spice spire]

There’s no apparently

I had a two hour nap last night

[balmy condor]

this what you wanted

[hardy dagger]

Love exang

[craggy oak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz

[strange python]

replacing exsang with ttb

[copper hazel]

[strange python]

that's a meme on it's own

[acoustic sky]

[hardy dagger]

Best spell in the game

Ok sorry

[white temple]

Yes. I'll be gimped.

[balmy condor]

y'all really want the raw number though, that one's even better

[hardy dagger]

🧢

[copper hazel]

raw dog me

[hardy dagger]

[strange python]

Chadsanguinate

[spice spire]

[hardy dagger]

That's yuge for one point

[odd heath]

Exsang gamers for 2 years yey... So happy /s

[balmy condor]

OO WAIT NO I HAVE ONE THATS EVEN FUNNER

[copper hazel]

[slim hamlet]

make it stop

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

But KB fun

Exsang no fun

[elfin forge]

Do the numbers change in blues, pre-raid bis, pre-4piece etc? or still just running the same build from hitting 70?

[spice spire]

How is it any different?

[balmy condor]

gear don't change much of anything

[spice spire]

It’s just a button you press

[slim hamlet]

kb?

[strange python]

Exsang be out here wearing a TShirt that says "basically a capstone"

[spice spire]

Both

[balmy condor]

like that's with 408 gear

[slim hamlet]

KB is much more fun to me, trying to get every last drop out of it, even if its just clicking your other spells

[balmy condor]

this is with 450 ilvl gear

same percent shift

just bigger number

[spice spire]

You can do the same with Exsang tho, max pandemic buddy

[elfin forge]

cool ty

[slim hamlet]

But that is like 3 clicks before and forgetting about it

[burnt star]

At the end of the day exsangu is just : ignore logic/refresh bleed/press exsang. Enjoy 8% damage. Oh and dont press it during d.m

[balmy condor]

same thing for 250 ilvl btw

that's why when people are like "oh what gear is the sim using"

I actually don't know

doesn't matter for anything

[burnt star]

Fuu sim is using bis lvl gear

[spice spire]

Okay legitimate not trolling question, did you ever figure out the PB+ CT nonsense?

[balmy condor]

I did not

[strange python]

inc "!bis" users

[spice spire]

Good for you, fuck them kids

That line will be 😓

[slim hamlet]

!bis

[hot mural]

Don't press exsang during Deathmark?

[desert shard]

!bis

[balmy condor]

the original "maintain for bleed, if you're in 4+ aoe, maintain it less" logic still stands to this day

[white temple]

It halves the dm

[balmy condor]

no, pressing it during deathmark is a horrible mistake

actually lets see what happens when you do that

that shouldn't be too hard

[white temple]

Whispyr is on a killing spree

[desert shard]

I mean fuu simmed outlaw with killing spree whispyr is just embracing it

[white temple]

But to be honest, I tried playing with exsang+dusk, I kind of lost half of the dps I usually would dish

[hot mural]

Okay. I believe the pinned message says they should be used together, just FYI.

[balmy condor]

[white temple]

Goes way way WAY against my muscle memory

[royal lantern]

exsang should increase the dot speed of SBS until the dot runs out tbh

change my mind

[white temple]

Divide by zero

[slim hamlet]

4

[strange python]

Exsang is going to be out here in DF creating villian arcs every raid night

[royal lantern]

exsang is gonna be the endboss of DF

[slim hamlet]

not only raid nights

[strange python]

Hogger coded exsang

[subtle kiln]

that will be the comment line in the apl

[white temple]

We all know the real wow is inside details

[slim hamlet]

True details fullscreened on the other monitor

[royal lantern]

the real wow is the hate for exsang we made on the way

[subtle kiln]

amateur. full screen details on main screen

[royal lantern]

always show me

[slim hamlet]

Hey im just a noob, atleast im trying

[balmy condor]

oh my god

[slim hamlet]

AHAHAH WHAT

[balmy condor]

it's better to simply not press exsang

[slim hamlet]

Legit better to not take it

[strange python]

it makes perfect sense if you don't think about it to hard

[balmy condor]

than it would be to press it during deathmark

[copper hazel]

hollllllly shit