execute lust peak inc
#assassination
honest vessel
Or could there be some magic where you sync the last one given a pull time remaining
gilded swallow
Is this with Zoldyck and Blindside?
balmy condor
yes
balmy condor
Or could there be some magic where you sync the last one given a pull time remai...
or, hear me out
this is stupid
honest vessel
Idgi
subtle tundra
im playing with u whispy
balmy condor
then just overcaps kingsbane cp
honest vessel
Oh I c
balmy condor
and overcaps shiv cp
slim hamlet
that seems illegal
honest vessel
Just to put the first env inside kb shiv
slim hamlet
Oh so sim has skill issue?
balmy condor
well it's always holding both charges for kingsbane
honest vessel
Yeh
balmy condor
kingsbane is inside of dm
oak sky
well 2 shivs is like the duration of deathmark
slim hamlet
It also doesn't seem right that we lose a DM if we wait ~10 seconds every 2 minutes, that would have to be a really long and perfect times fight right?
honest vessel
Two shivs is 18 secs right
balmy condor
It also doesn't seem right that we lose a DM if we wait ~10 seconds every 2 minu...
sims have 20% variance
balmy condor
Two shivs is 18 secs right
16
honest vessel
O
unreal kayak
Seems like sim could use some exang
heady wigeon
kekw @balmy condor
balmy condor
what are we kekwing
oak sky
i think the tooltip just updates to your language
balmy condor
yeah
honest vessel
I can't tell, would u lose a second of shiv + dm if u delayed that first one by one envenom
heady wigeon
exsang haters
slim hamlet
kekw <@167090536602140682>
oak sky
cant wait for exsangery to be changed to doombladery
balmy condor
exsang haters
very funny joke I definitely understand why it's a kekw moment haha good one
honest vessel
Maybe I'm trying to explain away apl mistakes instead of listening to the guy that wrote it telling me it's broken
Hmm I should listen more
balmy condor
I can't tell, would u lose a second of shiv + dm if u delayed that first one by ...
shiv->kingsbane doesn't make more sense?
dense herald
16
interesting, so maybe 16s of shiv buff for KB window > approx 15s of shiv buff + buff to initial KB hit? sounds weird tho, KB initial hit fairly big right
balmy condor
KB is 14 seconds
dense herald
oh nvm then
honest vessel
Kb doesn't get a stack from shiv the way it does with env does it?
balmy condor
huh?
oak sky
kb gets stacks from poison applications
balmy condor
it gets a stack from poisons
oak sky
like off white melees and mutilate
honest vessel
Oops I confused it off of something else
balmy condor
and anything really
oak sky
do rupture and garrote apply poisons again
honest vessel
Is it mastery that effects env or something
oak sky
or is that never coming back
balmy condor
they do
balmy condor
Is it mastery that effects env or something
yes
honest vessel
Oop
Shiv -> kb does sound like it makes more sense
Is it just hard kb on cd or something
It came up that global so it used that global
Or is it like "one sec from kb coming up press shiv"
balmy condor
no it's just using it wrong
oak sky
also opener is different anyways
honest vessel
I'm just wondering how the apl is written lol
oak sky
there would be other stuff thats higher prio than pressing kb on cd in opener
balmy condor
# Exsanguinate when not stealthed and both Rupture and Garrote are up for long enough.
actions.cds+=/exsanguinate,if=!stealthed.rogue&!stealthed.improved_garrote&!dot.deathmark.ticking&(!dot.garrote.refreshable&dot.rupture.remains>4+4*cp_max_spend|dot.rupture.remains*0.5>target.time_to_die)&target.time_to_die>4
# Shiv if DoTs are up; Always Shiv with Kingsbane, otherwise attempt to sync with Sepsis or Deathmark if we won't waste more than half Shiv's cooldown
actions.cds+=/shiv,if=talent.kingsbane&!debuff.shiv.up&dot.kingsbane.ticking&dot.garrote.ticking&dot.rupture.ticking&(!talent.crimson_tempest.enabled|variable.single_target|dot.crimson_tempest.ticking)```KB comes first and casts if shiv is ready, shiv comes after and checks if kingsbane is ticking
honest vessel
Unless env buff is down?
balmy condor
kingsbane requires envenom to be up
honest vessel
Right
I was thinking that's why it delayed but that can't be it cuz it kbs then env
Wth it literally says shiv requires kb
balmy condor
yes, that's how it holds shiv
balmy condor
thats what I think it should be
honest vessel
Oh but that sims worse for some reason?
balmy condor
well I don't know until I try it
honest vessel
I thought we were confused why the sim was doing what it was doing
Sorry I must have misunderstood and very much derailed
honest vessel
You hold both shivs for kb ya, so you're always banking one, so only cast shiv if kb is up next second or won't be up until ur 1 sec away from two shivs
Right?
balmy condor
yes
honest vessel
Cool
So instead of dot.kingsbane.ticking something like (cooldown.kingsbane.remains >= 24 | cooldown.kingsbane.remains <= 1 )
honest vessel
Sorry
I'm sure you've got this, not trying to step on your toes or insult ur experience
balmy condor
just difficult to get the pieces to fit
honest vessel
Yeah a problem with mine is what if kb doesn't get cast cuz of env being down and then it would shiv first :c
balmy condor
my issue atm is moving the shiv in front of of the kingsbane is losing me a third of a kingsbane cast
subtle tundra
I should be a tc I have impeccable thinking logic
balmy condor
shut the fuck up varas
subtle tundra
Meanie
oak sky
meanie
honest vessel
That seems weird...
gilded swallow
Inbefore you're min-maxing shiv usage to perfection and then your RL wants you to save one for Atrophic DR :>
balmy condor
good thing it doesn't do anything with atrophic then
gilded swallow
Really? Is that new? I thought it did :o
oak sky
they actually wouldnt
balmy condor
That seems weird...
I found the edge case
subtle tundra
Inbefore you're min-maxing shiv usage to perfection and then your RL wants you t...
I like your name.
gilded swallow
Thanks! Probably not connected to anything though lmao
gilded swallow
I've heard it's something to do with cherries-?
balmy condor
oh no
midnight atlas
we dont have cherries but visine sugi pula
subtle tundra
Vișine are like the sour cherries
gilded swallow
Should I get out while I have the chance?
balmy condor
it's an elaborate multi-lingual deez nuts joke
midnight atlas
whispyr gets it
empty hinge
How do I understand the joke
raven knoll
google translate
balmy condor
you get a romanian friend who got you with it
subtle tundra
There's also the wolf one
balmy condor
or probably google translate
empty hinge
Ok any Romanian neighbours wana translate to a fellow Bulgarian guy that is not that smart
subtle tundra
Do you have cherries? No.
What about cherries suck my dick.
But there's two types of cherries
Cireșe and vișine
midnight atlas
say "vi si ne" fast sounds like cherries
honest vessel
Our dick comrade
gilded swallow
I'm not sure how to feel about this
midnight atlas
dont worry your name means sour cherry in romanian, pretty cool.
subtle tundra
I like your name
empty hinge
You don’t have to feel anything
honest vessel
I found the edge case
There do be a missing kb hmm
balmy condor
cause saying cooldown.kingsbane.ready doesn't actually mean it'll cast before kingsbane gets cast
honest vessel
and a shiv 5 seconds before kb
Lol u tell apl do this thing apl says no
honest vessel
Some runs just don't run into the exact conditions that break it lol
balmy condor
yeh
honest vessel
That's really how all this started huh
honest vessel
So close
balmy condor
what a fucking nightmare
balmy condor
huge
yeh so now the logic works
but now because it's having to wait for things
it drifts like a second here, 2 seconds there
and then ends up halfway into deathmark
ffs
slim hamlet
So at lvl 70, will we ever just press Thistle Tea for the mastery ignoring the energy part of it?
balmy condor
the further in the fight the more it drifts the later it gets
balmy condor
So at lvl 70, will we ever just press Thistle Tea for the mastery ignoring the e...
no
slim hamlet
Yeah ok
balmy condor
the whole profile is trying to sync
honest vessel
Ah gotcha gotcha
slim hamlet
Is thistle tea on gcd?
balmy condor
no
slim hamlet
hype
balmy condor
yeah except it's still 5 seconds into deathmark
slim hamlet
Wait, how is it not better to spend SBS compared to using mutilate?
honest vessel
Oh yeah it just doesn't press a gcd for 3 seconds huh
balmy condor
Wait, how is it not better to spend SBS compared to using mutilate?
it is better
slim hamlet
Am confusion
balmy condor
mostly ignore = just mindlessly push every now and then
honest vessel
Are there any pooling rules that would cause that?
balmy condor
it's using trinkets
honest vessel
Oh they're on gcd?
honest vessel
Still it waits like .8 more than a gcd anyway
honest vessel
Lol
honest vessel
Losing the 2 secs of imp garr in dm no bueno ig
Could it be ideal to van garr dm garr shiv kb?
Over capping cp for sure but
slim hamlet
The wowhead comments on the sin post are lovely
honest vessel
Wow head commenters are built different
Hmm one of those numbers is bigger than the other
balmy condor
The wowhead comments on the sin post are lovely
you should see the deleted ones
slim hamlet
you should see the deleted ones
Would rather not
honest vessel
Oh I WANT TO
balmy condor
this ones my favorite
slim hamlet
True and real comment
subtle tundra
Uwu
balmy condor
the 8 year old whispyr asking his parents if I can wear a tutu like the girls do is actually quivering rn
slim hamlet
wtf is a tutu
honest vessel
For me it was nail painting
balmy condor
For me it was nail painting
I shoulda known when the most fun I had at a sleepover was a new years party where I just painted nails with a room full of girls while all the guys legit just dipped to play soccer for 4 hours
I mean I HAVE INFINITE RIZZ OBVIOUSLY
honest vessel
Bro I'd nail paint with the gros way before soccer
oak sky
Of course 
honest vessel
Boring ass sport
oak sky
Soccer fun to play boring to watch
jade abyss
This
midnight atlas
boring to watch bad teams play
honest vessel
Gimme tennis or football anyday
oak sky
Basketball
honest vessel
TRU
jade abyss
In school here you was playing soccer or tabletennis
honest vessel
Kickball slammed
jade abyss
Throwing snowballs against heads from others slammed aswell
honest vessel
Soooo thoughts on imp garroting 2x?
honest vessel
Love it
balmy condor
I'm going insane
honest vessel
Joker arc
balmy condor
boutta represent myself as a little girl on god
spare crow
societysim has failed me
honest vessel
How much worse could it be c: let's just sync our vanishes hehe
outer cairn
like vanish syncing
Well we have 4 empowered garrotes now lol
oak sky
What if we played exsang in the rain 👉 👈
subtle kiln
It is a watered down Symbols of Death. Just because it by improves nature damage doesn't make it befitting of the rotation.
oh I’ve got some bad news for this poor soul regarding symbols of death vs shiv in DF
honest vessel
Wanna fuck around and sync our vanishes? 👉 👈
balmy condor
I'm literally fighting
over 2 second difference
that's whats fucking all this
oak sky
Madge
subtle kiln
go the old UH route and force it completely?
balmy condor
tried that a while ago already
outer cairn
No context. Assume you are trying to determine when to best use Vanish?
balmy condor
that ones real bad
honest vessel
We're trying to sync dm vanish kb and shiv
balmy condor
No context. Assume you are trying to determine when to best use Vanish?
trying to find a way to cast deathmark and vanish together without trolling out of my mind
subtle kiln
I forgot exactly what they did but it was a 100% forced opener, then went into the APL post opener. CN was so scuffed
biceps prolly remembers
honest vessel
So many if times haha
subtle kiln
idk if it a bad thing or not. just so many cds to try to give conditionals too
balmy condor
its definitely bad news
cause if I send that to koji he's going to laugh at me
but also it doesn't even work
cause the sync logic isn't showing gains
subtle kiln
more or less than normal? 
oak sky
Having a lot of cds is cool if they all feel impactful and fun but some of the ones we're mixing in are very Fridge
subtle kiln
i don’t think the sync logic showed gains for Uh at that time either
but the loss of not syncing after the opener was evident in testing
outer cairn
No expert but I remember what you said about opening with Exsang talented. Gar, snd, gar build rupture, build rupture Exsang hit gas. Could we vanish, garrote, Exsang dm after that second rupture?
terse otter
Why You Shouldn't Play Assassination Rogue in Dragonflight
Mythic+
Isnt lvl 70 m+ build decent compared to others ? Like we are in par with most classes ? 😛
balmy condor
No expert but I remember what you said about opening with Exsang talented. Gar, ...
that's what this does
honest vessel
that might be whats happening alongside this
Does apl opener automatically stop at some point or do the conditions carry on throughout the rest of the sim?
hardy dagger
Assa is fine in m+
honest vessel
And u have to write time conditionals so they don't do anything four mins in
hardy dagger
Aoe ironwire is neat for certain pulls
balmy condor
And u have to write time conditionals so they don't do anything four mins in
I have to write the time conditionals to make sure it doesn't trip over itself in certain points
it's very duct tape
outer cairn
that's what this does
Hmm. So is that good or bad right now?
balmy condor
but the time constraint here in the master list is stopping the opener list from gettting called after it's done doing it's thing
honest vessel
Will it trip only within the opener or do you have to write it with the rest in mind?
balmy condor
so it's mostly fine
balmy condor
Hmm. So is that good or bad right now?
it's about 0.7% worse than the best non-sync
honest vessel
I guess it's just conditionals within conditionals but I like the organization
balmy condor
it's not nested
sturdy merlin
@balmy condor is the interaction between SS and DM intended ? You get 5cp when you use SS garrote during dm, and you gain 2cp if you press DM during SS window
thorn crater
The thing is those same mistakes exist in the other sims too
outer cairn
Wait so syncing dm and vanish abs having max bleed time is worse than not syncing? That doesn’t make sense
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> is the interaction between SS and DM intended ? You get 5c...
yes
sturdy merlin
Ok that’s huge
honest vessel
except you can call any folder from any other folder
Oh interesting
thorn crater
So you can’t just fix this call it a dps gain and call it a day
balmy condor
The thing is those same mistakes exist in the other sims too
not quite
subtle kiln
is there any chance trying to get rupture to not fall off or extending it only during pandemic outside of exsang is messing with your cd timings ?
thorn crater
The KB shiv thing should exist everywhere
balmy condor
yeah and that's shown 0 gains
thorn crater
You linked a part of it in the other builds too
honest vessel
So if u called dot and within dot it called direct it wouldn't go back to finish dot if direct added an action successfully?
thorn crater
I’m just saying if you fix it on one and shows an increase it will also increase for the send it thing
balmy condor
the timing issues are entirely contained to the sync logic
thorn crater
Hm
balmy condor
the only thing is the shiv kb thing, which isn't a gain either way
thorn crater
Btw don’t let this distract you from the fact that delaying sbs 5 seconds is a dps gain
Ty
What would be interesting is if it would be a gain even in your opener logic
Like, go vanish garr exsa dm SBS
balmy condor
So if u called dot and within dot it called direct it wouldn't go back to finish...
so like if you had:
list 1:
dot 1
dot 2
call list 2
dot 3
dot 4
list 2:
damage 1
damage 2
damage 3
it would check for dot 1 and 2, then damage 1 2 3, then go back for dot 3
honest vessel
Ok cool so it would go back
balmy condor
What would be interesting is if it would be a gain even in your opener logic
yeh maybe
that doesn't fix my timing issues though
honest vessel
If it found dot 2 missing and then applied it, it would reset and check dot 1 again before proceeding tho ya?
Cuz it's a prio for each gcd
balmy condor
cause vanish and exsang are not playing nice now, and neither are kingsbane and deathmark
honest vessel
NVM dumb question it would have to work that way
balmy condor
If it found dot 2 missing and then applied it, it would reset and check dot 1 ag...
yes
and that's part of the problem why you can't just move something 1 gcd forward
honest vessel
Ye
balmy condor
cause in order to do that, it would have to take priority at some point
which means the logic would break somewhere else
e.g "shiv when kingsbane is ready"
and then you shiv
and there's no kingsbane
cause other shit took prio
honest vessel
I wish my pc wasn't broken I feel like I finally understand swimming just enough to mess with the apl myself
Simming
Heckin phone
thorn crater
But
If prio drops on sbs on opener
On your thing too
Then at some point It might be replaceable
#tinfoil #copium
Coldest take in the world that someone said yday. Covenant abilities should have died with SL
dense cedar
balmy condor
whats thankeng about that
dense cedar
people like poison bomb?
dense cedar
its so inconsistent tho
balmy condor
it's a 50% chance
thorn crater
Wym
balmy condor
on 5cp
dense cedar
idk i remember legion
thorn crater
It was the only dopamine spell sin has had
balmy condor
yeah
dense cedar
and having entire packs without it happening
dense cedar
thorn crater
<a:Aggy:998294013197176952>
Don’t mind him he’s a wod enthusiast. Wants time to move as fast as possible to look like an OG
balmy condor
and then what
thorn crater
KB muti
thorn crater
So what you mean is KB will tick off after DM
balmy condor
ye
thorn crater
And that messes with your ocd enough to not even wanna see it
balmy condor
I mean it's no good
thorn crater
Then I guess you shiv after KB 🙂
balmy condor
I hate everything
thorn crater
Lemme know how it turns up
honest vessel
Why would u want to sbs in dm
shrewd night
Give me back my poomper 23% pb uptime
thorn crater
More like
honest vessel
Has no interaction tho right since dm dupes active bleeds on use?
thorn crater
I’m curious to see why it’s so fucked up
thorn crater
@balmy condor because it should not make sense to not sync everything
balmy condor
they're all margin
thorn crater
Which is which
balmy condor
5 is gar sbs rup er rup
5.1 is dm sbs shiv env kb
5.2 is dm sbs env kb shiv
thorn crater
So it makes no difference
balmy condor
yepgers
subtle kiln
normal assa things.
thorn crater
Someone tag cev for crucifying me yday
Ty
I think sbs was Uber strong at the start
Because everything else was weak in comparison
So at that point it should go up afap
thorn crater
I mean ye that makes sense though
In 120 seconds those 5 seconds matter more than in 300
balmy condor
okay so why is it better to hold it in non-sync then
thorn crater
Beats me
balmy condor
yah same
subtle tundra
Are u ok whisp
thorn crater
Oh wait
Hm ok let me finish the thought then tell me if it’s dumb
Since you only have one DM with full imp garrote (including the exsa part and the reapp) then getting it out ticking gives a stronger original push that you can maintain afterwards
The non sync is always a dps gain and losing 5 seconds of sbs at the start to get the full bleeds going earlier covers those 5 seconds
balmy condor
yeh maybe
thorn crater
So essentially the diff between opener 1 and 6 comes just from the first 30 seconds of the fight
Which makes sense
In your build it is the same because you get less empowered garrote in total
So it doesn’t overtake
Whereas in the non sync you get essentially 48 seconds of emp garrote (the first gets reduced from exsa obvi just deals the dmg faster) plus the DM dupe
If you look at it that way it makes sense no? You are sacrificing around 20ish seconds of imp garrote
With all the talents around it
By vanishing there
balmy condor
yeh but if I don't vanish there the sync is awful
thorn crater
I’m just explaining to you the reasoning
balmy condor
yeh I mean I get the tradeoff with the vanish
thorn crater
And why it probably won’t overtake until min 8-10
The sbs thing is simpler. It’s 4 extra seconds of empowered garrote
Over a ticking sbs
(1 GCD faster with exsa = double ticks duplicated)
Could be more than 4 just thinking out loud now
uncut echo
Just dont open
thorn crater
That’s all
Valeera basic bitch
I’m obviously joking btw I don’t really care that much . It’s just interesting that the less they sync up the more output we get
Frankly this whole mess is created by exsa
slim hamlet
Just dont open
Smart
royal lantern
Frankly this whole mess is created by exsa
delete exsang 🙂
uncut echo
I'm the sin rogue goddess, I have the best takes
slim hamlet
You do indeed have takes
thorn crater
Gimme your thoughts whisp (other than don’t care)
oak sky
I'm the sin rogue swamp monster
Fart of sin rogue
thorn crater
Does that make sense?
subtle tundra
Fart of sin rogue
I will you
balmy condor
I just don't like how it's worse
thorn crater
Also about sbs
oak sky
I will you
Dw im the piss of sin rogue
thorn crater
I think pre this latest buff
Sbs was still stronger
Which goes to show you how strong it is
subtle tundra
Make sepsis better in pure st
subtle tundra
Ty
balmy condor
yes
thorn crater
Does KB interact with amp in any way?
balmy condor
no
thorn crater
So there is nowhere else you can put the amp point with the current build
That isn’t a loss
balmy condor
you'd lose poison bomb
thorn crater
Ttk?
balmy condor
ttk's dogshit
subtle tundra
ttk
thorn crater
Hm in a cleave raid fight
balmy condor
envenom uptime without ttk is 93%
random fossil
Ttk more like tsk tsk tsk amirite
thorn crater
Would u transfer amp and PB to scent?
subtle tundra
In council fight you play ic
balmy condor
ye
balmy condor
ye
dense herald
5 is gar sbs rup er rup
5.1 is dm sbs shiv env kb
5.2 is dm sbs env kb shiv
I like 5.1
thorn crater
It’s on the 1s and 6s were it’s at guys
5s are for wod rogues
No my question was for fights that have large adds but are not a group fight
Is it worth dropping Pb for scent?
(Provided you can keep the rup on them ofc)
Or does scent need more targets to be good
royal lantern
thats such a specific scenario
thorn crater
Ok I’ll make it more general
Is scent good enough without ic?
Nvm I’m dumb dashing is below PB
honest vessel
Dashing stinki
balmy condor
It’s on the 1s and 6s were it’s at guys
I hate it man
6 just spit out gar -> slice -> gar -> rup -> sbs -> er -> rup -> exsang -> deathmark -> shiv -> mut -> mut -> env -> kb
balmy condor
because it uses the ER animacharge to extend for exsang
and in this specific example
sbs -> er went to 3cp
to the rupture used the 3rd animacharge
and then exsang -> deathmark -> shiv (no crit, 1 cp, no animacharged) -> mut (no crit, 3cp, no animacharged) -> mut (1 crit, 6cp, maxed cp) -> env -> kb
that's what I super fucking hate about his opener
these random variants where you just get RNG stomped
it would be the same thing if the ER crit for example and landed you on 4, and then you miss the shiv crit and mut to 4
basically you're good as long as the shiv crits
and if the shiv doesn't crit
you're forced to mut
which can also fail
dense cedar
balmy condor
so you just sit there like a dumbass praying for seal fate rng
every time you pull
it's so fucking cringe
subtle tundra
On beta it dont
balmy condor
when did you last check
subtle tundra
I don't play prepatch
balmy condor
cause that's one they fixed
subtle tundra
Think it happened this weekend could be wrong
slim hamlet
So its just omega rng
balmy condor
yeh and the other "good" opener is the same thing but you deathmark sbs envenom kb shiv
which is the same problem
cause if the ER misses the crit, and lands you on 2
the sbs after can't ever hit an animacharge
so you're going to mut
I'm an opener 5 believer
down with this cringe shit
no rng in my opener
syncing cooldowns
a brighter future
spice spire
drifting cloud
whispyr off the deep end again
subtle tundra
😐 So you want me to play a worse opener cause it makes you feel better?
balmy condor
whispyr off the deep end again
PoV the world without seal fate RNG openers and 35 second long cooldown windows every 2 minutes
onyx wind
@balmy condor i only read the first msg, but are u saying it holds animacharged CP to refresh rupture for timings or?
balmy condor
it goes rup er rup
balmy condor
did you read anything after the first line at all
subtle tundra
No
onyx wind
hell no
balmy condor
then don't ping me with your dumb fucking question
onyx wind
i aint reading all that
subtle tundra
Rude
onyx wind
im happy for u or sorry that happened
balmy condor
great
I explained it above
if you want to know, read
if you can't be fucked reading for 30 seconds
I'm not gonna regurgitate it to you
onyx wind
seal fate
solar tangle
Whispyr has such a cute avatar but the person behind is really ANGRY
REALLY REALLY ANGRY
solar tangle
it is and you are correct ^^
onyx wind
on god
dense herald
But it feels good to ct spam dps go up
It actually feels good hey
honest vessel
Feral pw agrees
dense herald
Twitch name?
spice spire
Varas is a fraud! Don’t watch him!!!
subtle tundra
onyx wind
EVERYTHING IS GLOWING LMFAO
subtle tundra
Actual chad
meager granite
onyx wind
looks playable to the point where u wont get bullied by ur friends
if u try to play it
copper hazel
onyx wind
XD
dense cedar
everyone here a shiv hater?
subtle tundra
I hate shiv when it's used for utility
honest vessel
Love shiv
onyx wind
i know it does a lot, but it feels whack
subtle tundra
Shiv in kb is really impactful, dopamine hit
onyx wind
maybe because we have 2 charges
jade abyss
Shiv was only st now right?
onyx wind
wydm
honest vessel
It's a st debuff...but it has been for a long time if not all time
jade abyss
2p from set was a "aoe" shiv
subtle tundra
Yes tier set has been removed
jade abyss
Thanks
subtle tundra
Hopefully never again
timid cloud
I’ve heard Shiv is clunkier than Exsang in the rotation….
honest vessel
timid cloud
Not a completely COOKED take, fried even.
onyx wind
shiv feels bad to press
timid cloud
onyx wind
but sometimes u get to do a 2-3 empowered finsher
when the stars align
thanks to shiv
dense cedar
idk why shiv would feel that bad to press
honest vessel
Shiv feels good to press
jade abyss
I wish assa would have a other enrage dispell instead shiv 
honest vessel
Ye
onyx wind
maybe shiv feels bad to press because i have it bound to alt+f4
subtle tundra
I wish assa would have a other enrage dispell instead shiv <:monkaS:585734084014...
Haven't played raging yet but I bet it will be real cringe to not have shiv for kb
honest vessel
That would make it feel p terrible
dense cedar
that's the only good keybind in wow
honest vessel
I'm sure shiv kb isn't much in aor
onyx wind
arent there like 1000 classes with enrage dispell currently
royal lantern
Haven't played raging yet but I bet it will be real cringe to not have shiv for...
tank problem
subtle tundra
tank problem
Not a tank problem when the mob does group aoe. Healer problem
onyx wind
oh ye ur prob having an evoker in almost every grp
dense cedar
evoker cringe
subtle tundra
Wahh dragon booooo
honest vessel
Pres seems cool
quasi ledge
Already made a deal that I can take the abuse for playing Assass in keys, but I don't disenrage
honest vessel
Echos are cool
onyx wind
dh was giga boring on release aswell
prob need some time to find out whats fun and whats not
dense cedar
dh still boring
onyx wind
atleast u are pretending to have a rotation now
dense cedar
do they still use that talent that makes then auto attack?
dense cedar
yuck
fleet imp
I am sorry in advance but this was way too funny
dense cedar
idk feel like downtime is too high on dh with it
quasi ledge
Best talent, same as Devastator for Prot War. Fuck having to press a button every single global
onyx wind
felblade feels really good yeah
dense cedar
unlike prot warrior version where you usually have something to do
dense cedar
oo sigil dps gameplay actually sounds nice
onyx wind
u can take 6% immo aura crit instead
honest vessel
That is tru
subtle tundra
Already made a deal that I can take the abuse for playing Assass in keys, but I ...
Why would you be abused for playing the best spec
honest vessel
Do they take the mastery cap?
dense cedar
does deva evoker have an ST empower?
quasi ledge
Why would you be abused for playing the best spec
Exactly my argument!
onyx wind
Do they take the mastery cap?
ye
always
right side is what makes dh good
that and the crit dmg
ig thats why people are experimenting a lot with the class tree
honest vessel
All wow head builds are db felblade
onyx wind
since the havoc tree is almost set in stone
onyx wind
idk whats better
but a lot of top dhs are playing with the crit instead
in keys
sounds nasty tho
@subtle tundra what were u doing overall in academy?
70-80k?
hardy dagger
Assa aoe is not actually bad had some 90k academy runs
Sub might take the cake in academy tho
royal lantern
oh ye ur prob having an evoker in almost every grp
why should that be the case
after like, 2weeks, most people will go back to their main class, or the current FotM
onyx wind
Sub might take the cake in academy tho
did u try sub?
subtle tundra
<@225677043482755072> what were u doing overall in academy?
Highest was a 92
hardy dagger
Yes did 102 as sub as my best run
subtle tundra
😭
raven knoll
nerf sub
onyx wind
aight
hardy dagger
Had giga juice boon and everything on the first pull
subtle tundra
Idk what that means
onyx wind
thundering ye?
hardy dagger
Tank did a good job gatheri g them
onyx wind
oh boon is the trinket
hardy dagger
Galecallers boon iirc
subtle tundra
Boon is really strong afaik
onyx wind
yeah but u wont have that for a while right
hardy dagger
Just make sure u have cloak and ss
honest vessel
Fuu has been summoned with those two words
subtle tundra
I'm not playing any special gear
hardy dagger
Cloaked the first green circles and then ss the next set kinda deal
royal lantern
huh, why
you know it man, its a rogue thing, if a rogue spec can do something good but is still far bellow others, we call for a nerf
raven knoll
huh, why
I'm just trolling I was refering to Varas doing 92 in academy and Jann doing 102 as sub.
subtle tundra
Just starter things, some r2 enchants. Fenryr trinket and a starter trinket
onyx wind
yea for sure
hardy dagger
Assa is goated in shadowmoon
raven knoll
They are all competitive but one is more competitive than others
hardy dagger
Can silence the packs
subtle tundra
Id say all rogue spec are competitive
Do you have all of the good crafted gear, sockets and a 2nd good trinket?
hardy dagger
Aye have pretty optimized gear
subtle tundra
Yea that matters too
hardy dagger
Full crit mastery set for assa
solid mica
Where can i find ur stream varas
hardy dagger
Double sophic devotion
hardy dagger
Had inhouse m+ tournament in the guild
subtle tundra
I forget to pot
onyx wind
sub ST spec and m+ spec arent that far apart aswell right?
jade abyss
Full crit mastery set for assa
🤤
subtle tundra
And it wasn't even the best pots
hardy dagger
Aye had some juicer kingsbane windows
onyx wind
did they do something to kingsbane variance
hardy dagger
Yup
onyx wind
assa is really fun aswell
hardy dagger
Execute bl assa goes nuts
Went from 50k to 70k in execute
Confirmed we have the best execute now?
onyx wind
whos gonna stop us from saying yes
hardy dagger
Or did warriors execute get better in df?
onyx wind
warriors? they arent here
warrior execute was nutty but it got nerfed
idk how it is atm
thorn crater
sbs -> er went to 3cp
I mean you should prolly teach it to use second sbs over using double mutilate.
hardy dagger
Ic ironwire in to silence sigil is also really nice
onyx wind
uTiLiTy
thorn crater
that's what I super fucking hate about his opener
To be clear I said from the beginning I prefer the delayed sbs one that was the base where it all started and we just added the sbs in there cause it was strong in all tastings
1 is me 5 is you 6 is us ❤️ @balmy condor
More me than you to be sure
balmy condor
yeah and 1 and 6 are both doggers rng
thorn crater
1 is not rng wtf
balmy condor
1 has the same issues
spice spire
Doggers
balmy condor
except when ER crits
limber lion
thorn crater
Hold on getting off car
limber lion
onyx wind
it is indeed not bugged
thorn crater
If that happens then you just shiv after envenom
terse otter
whats the highest ilvl on beta ?
marble hemlock
True cornerstone of the community
thorn crater
Also, apparently whisp thought we were fighting yday regarding the delayed sbs if I gave that impression to you too I apologize
Was trying to have a talk irl and explain something on the phone on discord
limber lion
Also, apparently whisp thought we were fighting yday regarding the delayed sbs i...
You didn't no, no worries mate.
thorn crater
Still feels good I was right
And whisp hates it even more
So that’s a plus
@balmy condor what if you sbs after ER if it crits? To get you to 4-5?
terse otter
i was comparing today zaccs outlaw to varas assa in academy, zac did like 20k overall more, but he was also like 20ilvls more than varas if im not wrong
paper mural
Hi all, I'm a bit lost, I'm a returning player (last played properly in legion, only played BFA a little and completed campaign in Shadowlands). I'm currently only 256 ilvl and I'm really struggling to find a decent talent setup for Mythic+ and another for casual raiding given I've not got any legendries
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
subtle tundra
i was comparing today zaccs outlaw to varas assa in academy, zac did like 20k ov...
Ilvl doesn't matter cause scaling
spice spire
Wowhead has good builds for you papi 🙂
thorn crater
it would be the same thing if the ER crit for example and landed you on 4, and t...
That doesn’t sound right
subtle tundra
i was comparing today zaccs outlaw to varas assa in academy, zac did like 20k ov...
So uh if he did 20k more than me I might say that outlaw needs a nerf
raven knoll
agreed. Dont buff assa nerf outlaw
terse otter
u did 83 in 16 he did 103 in 15
onyx wind
or... let the specs be better or worse in different situations
thorn crater
Personally I like a dynamic opener that I have to think about depending on what you get. You get autopilot@for the rest of it. I don’t mind having to adjust if it gives an overall bonus I dno
subtle tundra
u did 83 in 16 he did 103 in 15
Well I did a 92k 2 days ago
subtle tundra
Hey he only did 10k more
hardy dagger
Assa does more on Bosses in my testing but I might not be playing outlaw 100% optimally
terse otter
idk if 10k overall is a lot in DF or not 😄
hardy dagger
170 ms on outlaw feels ass
terse otter
but w/e
subtle tundra
idk if 10k overall is a lot in DF or not 😄
I mean you kmow what the numbers look like. 10k out of 100k is 10%
Simple mathematics
hardy dagger
I keep thinking I got a cast off and then I slam a 2cp dispatch
thorn crater
yeh and the other "good" opener is the same thing but you deathmark sbs envenom ...
It lands on 2 you shiv pre envenom. I won’t cry for the one sec differential. Or you ignore it and powe through with a 3p
3envenom
hardy dagger
Aye might have to change that on beta
terse otter
does assa rly feels bad in low keys ? like in the beggining of expac ?
hardy dagger
Can't belive I forgot that exists
terse otter
i got familiar with rotations and i love it
terse otter
thats what i was thinking
onyx wind
but if mobs die too fast it feels really bad yes
or if ur nasty little pug tank chain pulls...
terse otter
i have only 1 problem because i dotn care what will be meta, i love fast apm of outlaw but hate blade flurry in generall, and love idea of assa bleeds and poisons but hes also a lot slower 😛
hardy dagger
Man I'm hyped for df all rogue specs are really fun to play
terse otter
im playing up to like 20-22 keys and HC raids only so i dont need to play meta class
onyx wind
Man I'm hyped for df all rogue specs are really fun to play<a:poghypers:58798229...
legit
actually positively surprised
rogue class tree is also relatively well made
glad we get ER
limber lion
i have only 1 problem because i dotn care what will be meta, i love fast apm of ...
Assa is not honestly that slow
Especially in M+ where you have the 45s IC
perma-capped on energy
terse otter
ye i noticed that when tested build on dummy
subtle tundra
Also in the 15/16 keys I have played the bosses take like 1-1.5m to kill. In a high key I would get 2nd dm in execute and do higher st
hollow river
terse otter
i was never w/o energy
hardy dagger
Also in the 15/16 keys I have played the bosses take like 1-1.5m to kill. In a h...
Aye I don't think anything beats assa on bosses when they live longer
reef mulch
Also in the 15/16 keys I have played the bosses take like 1-1.5m to kill. In a h...
this scenario gonna make me miss Dusk 😦
royal lantern
"assa so slow" is not a thing anymore tbh
like, ofc its slower then outlaw, but thats outlaw lol
honest vessel
It has few off gcd buttons tbf
hardy dagger
Yeah outlaw is the highest apm spec in the game right?
royal lantern
58apm on a spec that doesnt have many real offgcd dmg abilitys, means you are more or less gcd locked
honest vessel
Gcd locked with a one sec gcd is still kinda slow for some people
subtle tundra
I press sprint tricks and ss on cd for that extra apm
royal lantern
I press sprint tricks and ss on cd for that extra apm
SWIRLY ORB
flat jasper
quick question, what does sbs stand for?
limber lion
Serrated Bonespike
flat jasper
thanks
terse otter
every time i go to dummies i allways go back to assa, i think that choice was allready made 😄
idle crown
Hey guys. Been doing some looking around about rogues as i decided to commit to dragonflight as of 2 days ago. Playing assass right now and loving the way it feels. Come dragonflight, how strong is dragon-tempered blades expected to be?
I really like the kingsbane playstyle alot, but definitely am curious about DTB
thorn crater
weaker than KB, still strong. nothing is finalized until we see if there will be a last minute tuning
but its good enough
tacit oar
tuning will probably happen until raid release
idle crown
My plan right now for 70 was to play Kingsbane and head for Serrated bonespike but im assuming thats prolly everyone's go to plan
thorn crater
check the pins my man
subtle tundra
There's builds in the pins
thorn crater
you will see everything
idle crown
Oh good call, thanks.
honest vessel
Kb st, dtb small target cleave, ic aoe, kb + ic for good aoe with some prio/st mixed in, good for m+
Dtb also decent at every target count
idle crown
yeah ive been playing catchup like a mofo since i came back bc i havent played since like mid-9.2 and IC feels really fun in the uldaman dungeon, which is where ive been spending most of my playtime, just grinding for all the 278 drops.
idle crown
Assassination feels really good, i enjoyed outlaw, but it still feels meh. So I think regardless of meta ill prolly play Assass just for the comfort
honest vessel
Hell yeah u play what u want dawg
keen viper
Is there a place where i can read about rotations for assassination for m+ and raiding?
median beacon
I still cant sim 70k
balmy condor
link the sim
median beacon
balmy condor
rest looks okayish
median beacon
which gear is best
boreal cloud
does deathmark apply to bleeds put up before you cast DM or do you have to refresh them after?
spice spire
rest looks okayish
Isn’t the opening sequence a bit weird? Legitimately asking since it hasn’t been nailed definite anyway
balmy condor
nah looks like the default apl
median beacon
o cause you said my gear sucks so i thought i had the wrong stats
balmy condor
no it's just pvp garbage
that's the issue
like this is what I'm using for now
subtle tundra
408ilvl is low aswell
spice spire
quake is making me a list
O7 about to leave the ATL so I’m home to finish soon papi
balmy condor
yah well that's what people decided to use
balmy condor
O7 about to leave the ATL so I’m home to finish soon papi
no rush, top gear shenanigans will happen tomorrow prolly, today is aoe and alternate talent openers
subtle tundra
I will be bis soon
balmy condor
well
spice spire
balmy condor
if you get it done by tomorrow
then we top gear tomorrow
otherwise we don't
and I do other things
I guess
thorn crater
if you get it done by tomorrow
answer me
spice spire
This mf actually always on the grustle
Even when he’s bullshitting in here
It’s unreal
median beacon
ill look at phials and stuff now
thorn crater
i tagged you at what i wanted to talk about look it or dont its ok was just some banter over pointless shit
balmy condor
This mf actually always on the grustle
I haven't slept
I have work in.....................
4 hours
balmy condor
okay so like
I worked saturday 6pm-1am
then went to bed at 6am
then woke up sunday at 10am
spice spire
Oh your schedule is fucked because of a rotating schedule
balmy condor
worked 2pm - 10pm
subtle tundra
🤓
balmy condor
got home