assassination

[next edge]

Exsang is 45 sec

[oak sky]

Dm with kingsbane

[next edge]

[oak sky]

Exsang with nothing

[onyx wind]

yes i am obviously talking about saving exsang for 1:15 minute

[royal lantern]

@gusty mirage asked my friend, he just said "yep, i can confirm, family stuff is the worst"

[oak sky]

Yeah dont do that ever

[onyx wind]

ty

[gusty mirage]

ye and its not even close

[next edge]

Then don't its a dps loss 😄

[onyx wind]

i was being sarcastic

[next edge]

😄

[gusty mirage]

literally the worst fucking case scenario every time

[onyx wind]

thanks lambda keep it up

[next edge]

You're welcome happy to help 🙂

[onyx wind]

dude my kingsbane varies so much

sometimes it deals 60k sometimes 120k

[royal lantern]

@onyx wind the tl:dr is: you have a strict opener, after that its more or less "send stuff on cd lmao"

well, and try to have 2 shiv for KB

[next edge]

As long as you Exsang before DM would be fine

I wouldnt hold anything for more than 10 sec tbh

[onyx wind]

do we always insta refresh bleeds during DM or is it worth to spam mut/ambush/env for kingsbane dmg

[next edge]

as vanish and DM line up naturally

[next edge]

DM doesn't reduce bleeds so right now I dont see a reason to refresh them

unless its the snapshoted rupture

[onyx wind]

idk what u mean

[teal bloom]

DM doubles already existing bleeds so you don't need to reapply instantly

[next edge]

Whats the point of refreshing bleeds into DM unless they won't make it the DM timer

[onyx wind]

yes but they time out during DM

thats what i mean

not the original ones

[next edge]

I mean if they are going to time out you refresh

[royal lantern]

^

its normal bleed rules

if something is about too run out, you re-apply

[next edge]

It doubles already existing bleeds

so if you refresh

it keeps doubling them

[onyx wind]

ye i know

but i just wanna know if its worth compared to mut/amb/env

[next edge]

I don't see a situation where not refreshing bleeds

is worth

lol

specially into DM

[onyx wind]

its a numbers thing

[teal bloom]

It's super important to keep bleeds running because you don'

dont otherwise have any energy

[onyx wind]

yeah i get that

i just noticed my kingsbane doing a lot less dmg if i refresh during DM compare to right after

[next edge]

I guess that's a really niche situation but I doubt there's a world where mutilate is worth over letting bleeds run out specially when you DM

[onyx wind]

it happens a lot, i wouldnt call it niche

[balmy condor]

You never let bleeds drop

One of the worst things you can do

[onyx wind]

was just wondering if anyone simmed it

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t need to be simmed

[next edge]

I think you don't need to sim that lol

[balmy condor]

It’s just awful

[next edge]

How can be worth to let your bleeds drop into your best CD

which doubles bleeds

for a mutilate global

[onyx wind]

rupture makes sense to keep up

its more garrote thats blurry

[balmy condor]

[next edge]

Wut

[royal lantern]

i mean, garrote is the easy apply

[onyx wind]

but ig u wanna sync vanish cd to DM so u dont really have a choice

[royal lantern]

if anything, rupture is the bleed where it hurts more

cus you need to generate and then spend cp for it

garrote is just press it

(dont let bleeds drop)

[balmy condor]

You think there’s a question about whether mutilate, or a generator worth easily 4x as much, is the better choice?

[next edge]

[uncut echo]

Raid ended early last night before ai could goof off. I'm gonna be trying it tn! ☺️

Why is starege so cursed

[balmy condor]

[uncut echo]

You're the only one allowed to starege at me here

[next edge]

[uncut echo]

Blocked

[next edge]

You really gonna miss watching my kitten on profile?

[spice spire]

[next edge]

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

But also good luck with assassination tonight homie

[uncut echo]

AHHHH

[tacit oar]

should I plug my keyboard to play assa?

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

TOO MANY STAREGE

[royal lantern]

no

thats tryhard shit

[spice spire]

Yes man

[tacit oar]

kk that's what I was thinking thx

[teal bloom]

Keyboard is for the casuals that can't move their mouse fast enough to click the abilities

[royal lantern]

clicking is for casuals that cant use /cast in the chat trought voice commands fast enough

[spice spire]

Amen

[uncut echo]

I prefer my rank 1s to have Korean starcraft apm via text casting

Are they even playing if not?

[spice spire]

Faker levels of apm , so true bestie

[thorn fjord]

You click evasion and sprint @spice spire

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

We're all built differently

🤣

[spice spire]

What do you gain from reporting this

[thorn fjord]

a chuckle

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

did you see mufat earlier

[spice spire]

You’re not gonna catch me lackin

[oak sky]

Erm..... whats mufat

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

oh no

[oak sky]

I wonder what whispyr will say in response

I await an answer!

[balmy condor]

mufat is a common internet joke to which the punchline is "mufat nuts". If you get caught asking what mufat is, you already have fallen for the trap, stay vigilant internet user!

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

Oooooo

[thorn fjord]

oh its a ligma

[balmy condor]

whats ligma

[thorn fjord]

ligma nuts

[balmy condor]

oh gotcha yeah yeah where do you live?

[thorn fjord]

Miami 😉

[balmy condor]

omw papi chulo

[thorn fjord]

Dale

I've got the cafecito waiting

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

Despacito poggers

[spice spire]

I hate this

But love all of you

[gusty mirage]

[teal bloom]

Can you get a simc text for simming a level 70 rogue from somewhere?

[hard grail]

Question for rogue players, im a warrior main swapping, mostly raid in like 80-100 HOF range. I love assas and really dont like outlaw -- is there a way I could realistically play assas only, or will I be forced to outlaw for m+? and thank you.

[thorn fjord]

You can play it for both

[hard grail]

I get "forced" s objective

[thorn fjord]

Outlaw will be easier imo for M+ as far as what you'll need to do rotation wise

But they should both be viable for raid especially if you're raiding heroic

oh read that wrong

[ebon notch]

Honestly at that level you should get comfortable with as many of the specs as you can

[cerulean walrus]

He just said Hall of Fame lmao

[thorn fjord]

hall of fame

yeah lol

derp

[hard grail]

haha

[cerulean walrus]

[hard grail]

all good man

[ebon notch]

Especially cause we dont know where tuning will be

[hard grail]

right @ebon notch I legit just cant stand how outlaw plays and love assas so much, so i wanted to ask the pro's that play it more

[drifting cloud]

daps are you ok

[thorn fjord]

You'll more than likely be able to play sub for M+ also

[ebon notch]

Ye im chilling why

[gusty mirage]

sorry cutie

[thorn fjord]

Sin will be fine for raid though (God willing) but the way its looking right now should be good

[cerulean walrus]

Hi dad

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

Any time I pick up a triple DPS class I do my best to learn all 3 even if I hate them cause I don't wanna be caught with my pants down

Outlaw is kind of an outlier cause it's kinda intense

[gusty mirage]

explain last night then?

[spice spire]

Have I ever told you how much I love your explanations?

[ebon notch]

[hard grail]

Other question, (obv tuning dependant), where is sin's execute vs other classes? with the KB build. Like Sin vs Arms's? Is sin's execute like extremely good or just decent?

[ebon notch]

Arms has the best execute in the game hands down

No comparison

[thorn fjord]

it feels like that when you're reading up on how to actually play it... but i feel that in practice its not really all that crazy.. just follow the flow chart

[cerulean walrus]

I saw what you did with those pants

[hard grail]

Right, I am swapping from arms, last 2 expacs

[fleet atlas]

So no hopium for sin m+? Gonna start df as outlaw but I like to switch it up

[thorn fjord]

it got nerfed

Our execute got buffed hard last week

[ebon notch]

If they still have those 4 talent nodes on the bottom right of the tree then they'll still be good

Most insane cluster of talents I've ever seen

[thorn fjord]

Yeah our execute game is looking better than arms currently

[hard grail]

I was curious how it stands, cuz im an arms playing going to rogue, and the buffs ive seen made it seem like sin execute could be kinda nasty

even though that arms fataity talent with juggernaut is p nuts

[ebon notch]

Sin will have good execute for sure

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

But idk how comparable it will be, idk how hard arms got nerfed

I think my main alt will be warrior first tier lmao

Which will be fun

[oak sky]

Unholy is good innit?

[hard grail]

What is UH's execute? Soul Reaper is that good?

[oak sky]

Are you playing dk now btw

[oak sky]

They have a giga execute talent on top of soulreaper

[onyx wind]

they nerfed energy refund on execute but let it stack 3 more times ye?

rage refund oops

[hard grail]

ill look rn

[ebon notch]

Until further notice yeah

Unholy has soul reaper + a sub 35% damage amp talent for some spell

I think death coil and scourge strike at least

[onyx wind]

Would look better as a 45%

[dark token]

so what we get 45%

[ebon notch]

i wasnt able to do as much execute testing for dk as i wouldve liked

[hard grail]

It seems sad with the build you cant get imrpoved poisons and fatal concontion, cuz 15% poison dmg when you're doing 45% more poison dmg seems big, guess its not

15% of 45% must not be insane with how it applies

[ebon notch]

what guild you in @hard grail

[hard grail]

I dm'd!

[oak sky]

Zoldyck is both bleed and poison damage btw

[hard grail]

Yeah, I just didnt mention bleed cuz concoction doesnt effect bleeds

[oak sky]

Oh sure

[thorn fjord]

case in point.. if you're really trying to get sweaty you'll want to learn all 3 specs

[hard grail]

yeah, fml - thats why in my career of raiding ive always tried to play one dps spec stuff, moonkin, ele, spriest

[thorn fjord]

Personally i think sub is the most cerebral... or atleast it used to be... but if you're already playing at the level you are it shouldnt be too hard for ya

[hard grail]

I like to REALLY learn one - but maybe ill have to

Is sub fun? I have 0 seconds on sub

[oak sky]

Sub is in a weird spot rn

[thorn fjord]

yeah but it had it moments during SL

Sub is a cool spec

[onyx wind]

sub kinda got nothing new apart from some % amps

2 VANISH CHARGES 👀 👀 👀

[ebon notch]

bruh i got called a onetrick

then blasted on sub during sofo

and sod

shit tuning shit game

[spice spire]

Calm down OTP

[ebon notch]

yeah well ur a no trick pony

[oak sky]

I get called a one trick (i am a onetrick)

[thorn fjord]

🤣

[spice spire]

Tell ur mum that one buddy

[cerulean walrus]

You’re my OTP

[ebon notch]

she agreed

[spice spire]

Damn, now ask ur pops

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

he went out to get smokes

[spice spire]

Oh unlucky

[cerulean walrus]

He’s just making sure the milk is of the highest quality

[spice spire]

Yeah he is

[ebon notch]

he'll be back soon

[thorn fjord]

Y'all have dads?

[spice spire]

Everyone has a dad silly

Or at least a donor in some cases

But we’re getting a bit dark

[thorn fjord]

something something no love for my daddy cause the coward wasnt there something something momma

[hard grail]

my dad told me stop playing video games

[cerulean walrus]

I was actually born in a tube in an alien vessel and now I’ve said too much

[thorn fjord]

I'm actually a lizard

[ebon notch]

my daddy issues pushed me to RH

[oak sky]

Sadge

[cerulean walrus]

Some people turn to drugs and alcohol…. Others…. They turn to rogue.

[oak sky]

Daps turns to me

[thorn fjord]

Some people willingly listen to the black eyed peas

[oak sky]

Dirty bit

[spice spire]

Just like every girl I’ve ever dated, it pushed you to me

[oak sky]

Everyone deserves a girl with daddy issues

I mean what

[hard grail]

I came here to pretent i want to ask sin questions but really looking for discord kitten

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[spice spire]

[hard grail]

idk if anyone has seen that one guys tiktok's

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/catgirl-come-on-already-cat-gif-24598868

[spice spire]

@balmy condor

But we should simmer down

Something something Exsang based

[vestal wren]

awakes

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

what

[spice spire]

Wat

[thorn fjord]

Was it in here that everyone was freaking out about chickens keeping their heads in the same spot when you move em?

[spice spire]

Yes man

[ebon notch]

what

how did i miss that

[thorn fjord]

Lol

[hard grail]

you havent seen it? @ebon notch

[ebon notch]

chicken got them gyroscopic necks

nah i seen it

missed the discussion tho

[thorn fjord]

Think it was Friday

[ebon notch]

we got some real educated folks in here

would be nice to see their takes on chicken anatomy

[hard grail]

did you know that lizards sometimes eject their tail and eat it if they are hngry

and just grow a new one

[oak sky]

New tails are missing shit

Nerves i think

[hard grail]

that makes sense

[oak sky]

They drop em when they get scared too

[hard grail]

half this discord is lizards prob

i used to catch the little blue belly ones when i was little

[thorn fjord]

We rogues are most definitely lizard people

[hard grail]

and always tails fall off

[gusty mirage]

yes my son?

[hard grail]

So I saw on WH, they are briniging back rare silver dragon icon, who the f at blizzard called a meeting to discuss how much the silver dragon on rares needed to go away?

[thorn fjord]

My dad definitely wouldn’t know how to use discord

[oak sky]

Probably just oversight tbg

Tbh

[royal lantern]

god i wish

just sitting on a rock in the sun all day

[hard grail]

everytime someone in this discords types something

I close my eyes and picture the geico lizard talking to me

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/talk-lizard-ironic-gif-25847938

[hard grail]

https://tenor.com/view/geico-geico-gecko-adorable-sitting-on-couch-eating-gif-22319629

[dense yoke]

does IC apply empowered garrotes on beta?

[oak sky]

Yeah

[hard grail]

they do

[dense yoke]

very nice

[royal lantern]

it also applies the 6sec silence from iron wire on all enemys

[dark token]

Who cares about dragons I haven't seen default nameplates in 6 years

Does anyone actually play with that crap

It's unusably bad

[hard grail]

also true, i just mean, where did "We need to remove sliver dragons" idea come from haha

but like someone said, could be oversight

[oak sky]

Default nameplates dont even have dot timers

Its actually unplayable

[violet jackal]

I play default. It has the poison and bleed icons that move as a timer

[limber lion]

...

[thorn fjord]

Hi Cev!

[limber lion]

Sup

[dark token]

Also they just stack so you can't see anything in combat except a red mass

[cobalt hemlock]

they bringing that back

[verbal knot]

are there any sims from the beta comparing our specs on st and m+?

[balmy condor]

no

[copper hazel]

OL good m+, sin good ST

[balmy condor]

outlaw is ahead by 10% in m+, sin is ahead a 10% in single target

if you wake up tomorrow the numbers might change

[copper hazel]

if

[balmy condor]

comparing specs atm is a big waste of time

[tacit oar]

the last big changes are on raid release right

[balmy condor]

end of week of raid release

[night delta]

yeah i'd be surprised if there weren't a few surprise outliers when raid finally gets a release

[tacit oar]

More Assa buffs for Christmas

[marble hemlock]

what if i dont wake up tomorrow?

[balmy condor]

good

[ebon notch]

[cobalt hemlock]

[spice spire]

More like toxic blade

Damn

[tacit pebble]

any other looker forward to raid tomorrow individuals

should be fun with all the fixes/changes

[balmy condor]

whats the difference between raid today and raid tomorrow

[oak sky]

evoker

[tacit pebble]

largely that i dont raid today i guess

[sullen cloak]

Sorry for a noob question I just swapped back to rogue in pre patch, what’s the best way to use bone spike? I feel like I don’t understand it

[balmy condor]

you get the dot up

and then avoid overcapping

if you have multiple targets, you get multiple dots up

[sullen cloak]

Just touch it once? Or is it ever worth hitting again on the same target?

[balmy condor]

it does instant damage

thats the "avoid overcapping" part

[sullen cloak]

Would I use it instead of mutilate?

[balmy condor]

yes

[vast goblet]

It has 3 charges; and some range to it also. Easy to use if a mechanic also req you to step out for a second.

[sullen cloak]

Okay, so I should use the charges unless there is multi target or know I’ll need to run out, that kind of thing?

[balmy condor]

you use the charges to get the dot onto anything that doesn't have the dot
then you use the charges for the instant damage if you have to move out, or you're at risk of capping on charges

[sullen cloak]

Okay cool

Thank you

I’ve only really ever hit it once per target

[balmy condor]

np

[viscid spear]

Seli just needs his sleep, no malicious intent

[sharp falcon]

hello how are exsang enjoyers doing today

[oak sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/968998921223430154.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[ebon notch]

[rich vine]

[copper hazel]

cursed

[light garnet]

[oak sky]

hes still trying to come up with a good outlaw message

PauseChamp

[balmy condor]

looking for the exsang enjoyers

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/daladada-cat-crying-cry-scream-gif-24748831

[spice spire]

I’m here papi

[sharp falcon]

da cats are exsang enjoyers 9000%

[oak sky]

the anti exsang brigade

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/pussy-cat-cute-kitty-kitten-cat-gif-16800925

[copper hazel]

cats only get the zoomies when they press exsang as it gives more energy

[royal lantern]

last time i checked, the kitty rogues didnt had a horrible ability like exsang

[spice spire]

Cats

[final star]

What's your question Oxibald

[viscid spear]

[sharp falcon]

pushin' mah maintenance button, the effect of which require to push moar button

https://media.tenor.com/D67NAz9wXK4AAAAC/elf-will-ferrell.gif

[viscid spear]

More like ex-exsang

[spice spire]

I’m concerned

[balmy condor]

guys new rogue here when do I press tea also when do I press kingsbane and exsang and sbs and ambush and echoing reprimand and marked for death and shiv and deathmark?

ty for help

[strange python]

how is assa rogue looking in DF? pretty strong and fun to play?

[copper hazel]

macro into one button

spam it

[viscid spear]

something something play Outlaw

[balmy condor]

very strong and very fun

[next edge]

My cat just jumped on my leg and now im bleeding

fucking exsanguinate expert

[balmy condor]

you should tell realz the tuning is perfect and just right and not to touch anything because this is exactly where it should be

[viscid spear]

Sure, it's fine

[strange python]

but what about rotation? it is similiar to shadow priest or how

[sharp falcon]

what's to be concerned about?
https://media.tenor.com/oA52InGYvbkAAAAM/blue-shell.gif

[viscid spear]

Meow PTSD

[balmy condor]

uh. You maintain bleeds, generate combo points, then spend combo points, and between maintaining things you press a bunch of cooldowns

[spice spire]

You’re acting like I do on no sleep - you’re a funny guy

[balmy condor]

is that how shadow priest plays

I don't play shadow priest

[spice spire]

But uh no idea what you mean

We’re mid it’s fine

[oak sky]

oh and exsanguinate and also do i sync anything

[spice spire]

Our key dam is low

[copper hazel]

is this channel going to be in shambles when we see some tuning changes, say it isnt so

[strange python]

what do you mean?

[balmy condor]

if a button press is worth 1000 dps, why would I delay pressing the button

[strange python]

like

6-10 buttons?

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

my dude I cannot make this any simpler

[viscid spear]

Blizz should just send it all as is, every class is fine to them

[balmy condor]

you're gonna have to spend 3 seconds googling a basics video or a guide

I'm not going to sit here and talk you through level 5 rogue rotation basics

no

[viscid spear]

They can fix things in 10.1

[balmy condor]

none of that

no exsang

[next edge]

Why would you take advice about assa from as ub main

[balmy condor]

only hate

[next edge]

anyways

[balmy condor]

[oblique tangle]

:(

So anyway, as I was saying about Exsang

[balmy condor]

you hate it a lot

right

[oblique tangle]

Yes but only because it's not off gcd

[viscid spear]

Remove Exsanguinate, replace it with Bleedier, because people can't spell the former.

[oak sky]

he said the forbidden words

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/JrDuU/69a0793b5e.png

[royal lantern]

and by 10.1 you mean "2weeks into the expansion" right 🙂

[balmy condor]

it's poetic

[viscid spear]

More like two months

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-leonardo-nimoy-barney-my-job-gif-12542921

[viscid spear]

Whispyr just before he shuts down his computer

jk ilu don't kill me

[balmy condor]

I famously don't shut down my computer

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

I shut down my pc yesterday

[marble hemlock]

same

[balmy condor]

and I checked the cpu uptime

112 days

[marble hemlock]

twinsies

think mine auto-restarted yday

[viscid spear]

Man's got John Coffey for a CPU
I'm tired, boss

[oak sky]

🤨

[gusty mirage]

how do damage good me impress guild?

[final star]

Play your favourite spec in the game World of Warcraft!

[royal lantern]

delete exsang and reroll outlaw, suddenly you do dmg and impress guild

[marble hemlock]

show cock

[royal lantern]

that aswell

[oblique tangle]

Wow this is some top level bullying

I'm gonna report you to a mod

Maybe Whispyr.

[balmy condor]

never heard of him

[oblique tangle]

Never heard of who

[balmy condor]

this Whispyr bloke

[marble hemlock]

heard hes a gorgeous hunk of a man

likes catears and cat-tail-buttplugs

[balmy condor]

I heard the opposite

also nothing comes near my butt

sorry

[oblique tangle]

Unrelated how many of you wasted a fuckton of money onm the new expac

[marble hemlock]

why is it so hard to find those, anyway? seems like fox-tail buttplugs are all the rage

[balmy condor]

huh?

[oblique tangle]

I can't bring myself to justify spending anything more than my shitty 55 CAD

[balmy condor]

depends on your definition of waste

if buying the expansion is a waste

then yeah I wasted money

[marble hemlock]

idk

[oblique tangle]

No no

Like

[marble hemlock]

60€ aint a fuckton

[oblique tangle]

Epic edition

[marble hemlock]

and i usually just pay with gold anyway

[oblique tangle]

Where the hell are you making that much money

Please teach me because no matter what I do I'm always struggle bussing the expacs for gold

[balmy condor]

he pickpockets in oribos all day

[oblique tangle]

Even when I'm just afk farming high gold mats, lmfao

Maybe I just don't farm enough

[balmy condor]

but unironically I think its just boosting

[royal lantern]

step 1: be in a somewhat higher ranking guild

[balmy condor]

yeh

[oblique tangle]

Oh, yeah that's gonna be a disaster I'm on a no-name server

[royal lantern]

step2: boost after progress is over and most people cant boost yet

[oblique tangle]

on the 20% pop faction

[royal lantern]

now you are gold cap

[oblique tangle]

xddddddddddddd

[oak sky]

luckily faction doesnt matter anymore

[marble hemlock]

we d idnt raid boost much at all after sanctum

[oblique tangle]

True I suppose yes

[marble hemlock]

i just have lots of gold from boosting m+ still, even though i havent done that in over a year either

[ebon notch]

[candid geyser]

Only thing near the shitter is his spec

[distant mesa]

I'm confused with taking the envenom poison and not taking DTB on one of the builds. Does that poison do comparable dmg to the deadly poison?

Just running around in beta looking at things lol

[royal lantern]

why would we skill it, and then NOT use it

[distant mesa]

I understand that, just wondering the damage difference of taking something else

Because why the extra poison if not the capstone talent is the question

[royal lantern]

because...it....does more dmg....?

[distant mesa]

Ok look, I know it does more damage, just taking it w/o the capstone feels odd

[spice spire]

It pumps

[royal lantern]

its really just, it does more dmg then deadly, nothing more

sounds weird, but thats just it

[blazing totem]

it does more damage than deadly.. simple as that

all lethals do the same damage on re-application so it’s just about the dot of deadly vs envenom damage on amp

turns out envenom amp does more damage

amp > deadly > instant

if you take DTB the next best would be deadly

[full sky]

Is DTB viable?

[grizzled jay]

Yes

[balmy condor]

holy looks like someone read the pins

that's what we like to see

I'm rock hard

[full sky]

Can someone share a build for me?

[final star]

[balmy condor]

so now in contrast, this is what it looks like to not read the pins

we don't like that

I'm flaccid again

[strange python]

the builds are

TLDR:
Kingsbane and DTB are within margin of error here. Play what you'd like
Kingsbane and IC is the clear winner in m+

[grizzled jay]

Sure!
https://youtu.be/b2NseFgsT8U

[strange python]

XD

XDDDDDD

@grizzled jay you are legend xd

[final star]

Same energy

[marble hemlock]

that is not gonna be healthy

[spice spire]

What happened

[marble hemlock]

whispyr gains and loses his mojo depending on whether people ask questions that show they read the pins or didnt read them

[full sky]

I just found out how to check pins, thanks guys

[final star]

Np

[full sky]

I shouldn’t ask anymore stupid questions now

[balmy condor]

We’re having a good time you’re good

:P

[glad flare]

What build is good for Exswingneet

Leaning to DB

[marble hemlock]

the what now?

[final star]

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-build-lego-gif-12538114

[glad flare]

Exxangueenate

[marble hemlock]

do you need medical assistance?

[drifting cloud]

the builds are in pinned messages

they all play exsanguinate

[glad flare]

Oh shit I must have missed that thinking it was Doomblade thanks

[balmy condor]

The irony that the pin wasn’t read directly after a conversation about pins

Sometimes I hate it here

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

the trick is to hate your entire existence, all day, every day

then you wont notice anymore

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[marble hemlock]

im psure thats how guy sustains being in outlaw all the time

[strange python]

Good thing that disliking people who ask questions in the pins wasn't in your list of hate

[final star]

Gaslight yourself, it won't get better

[balmy condor]

You’re about to join the list

[marble hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/madcat-ygzcat-cat-pussy-madpussy-gif-24909889

[drifting cloud]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1039749148058075226/1667943588418226.gif

[balmy condor]

You’ve toasted your last bun, baker

[candid geyser]

Spamming CT is fun.

I think I just like the animation

[balmy condor]

I hate it less than shadowlands

Cause there’s more other things to worry about

It’s really easy to be like “well what do I do now” but idk, in practice it’s fine

[candid geyser]

Honestly feels phenomenal going into a jumbo pack with IC up, hitting those, smashing CTs and just pumping big numbers

[balmy condor]

Yeah now that the damage is there

[candid geyser]

It’s super stressful trying to work in a exsang dm, KB stuff etc for min max

On large packs

But it’s still fun

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I’ve been tossing kingsbane down onto the biggest boy in the pack

And just letting it do it’s thing

Sorta like flag

And it’s fine

[candid geyser]

Yeah, basically - I’m def not near optimal, but still pressing all the things and puttin them on cd lll

[drifting cloud]

youve played the game since prepatch? what a tryhard

thought you only unbreak the lanes and sim

[candid geyser]

Whispyr super meta gamer - he does raid testing, m+ testing, sim testing, lane testing, cat ear testing

[strong epoch]

since i can't remember shit, do i kingsbane then dm or the other way around?

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor how do i minmax my mutilate globals?

im really looking to squeeze out that extra 5 dps

[balmy condor]

Dm first

[balmy condor]

One by one

[candid geyser]

When I think about entire sin opener… it’s only like 20 abilities in a precise order 🫠🤣

[strong epoch]

@balmy condor thanks fam, i don't care what everyone else says you're alright

[strange python]

could be worse, could be like unh DK was for a while, same amount of buttons but 35 minutes to complete

[ebon notch]

Currently I'm taking around 40 seconds between mutilate to ensure I interweave it with the tick rate of the server

To make sure every global is 100% efficient

[balmy condor]

No I’m not, I have many issues the voices in my head only get louder

[strong epoch]

and they are all yelling Exsanguinate?

[blazing totem]

[ebon notch]

It's just the gushing noise of rupture and garrote

But they keep being put in pandemic

So they never time out

[strange python]

HAHAHAHA

[candid geyser]

I had to make a giant weak aura for exsang- kinda forget it’s an ability a lot

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/my-descent-into-madness-is-complete-madness-going-insane-insanity-mental-gif-22579930

[final star]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-24829263

[ebon notch]

These poor cats lmao

Leave them alone

[strange python]

catnip, not even once

[candid geyser]

I’m gonna say it… fuck 🐱 s
🐶 s for life.

[ebon notch]

Ur dumb

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-biersack-hold-the-fuck-up-wait-up-wait-hold-it-gif-8036206

[ebon notch]

No need to pick and choose

[final star]

I love pussy!

[ebon notch]

Shame you don't get any

[candid geyser]

I will concede to one cat tho. Wife’s sister had it trained to go to the bathroom outside. I could live with a cat like that.

[final star]

That's every cat I've ever owned wtf u mean trained

[strange python]

you train them to use the toilet

[ebon notch]

Bruh all my cats do their business outside

[balmy condor]

You train them to come inside sometimes

[final star]

That's the hard part

[strange python]

then you get major midnight frights when you turn on the toilet light groggy asf and they're like O.O at you

[candid geyser]

Bro idk anything then- 99% of cats I’ve seen/met shit in litter boxes that their owner never cleans and it’s fuckin nasty

[ebon notch]

You realise that's the owners being shitty and not cats right

[final star]

Name a better duo than coyotes and not letting ur pets outside

[ebon notch]

When have you ever seen a coyote

[candid geyser]

True. But rapidly leads to association to cats = nasty.

[balmy condor]

My cat has the cleanest litter box and then shits on the carpet, eats it, and then throws up

[ebon notch]

Britbong mfer

[balmy condor]

He’s a dumbass

[final star]

That's my most Americans don't you absolute fucking goon

[candid geyser]

See f whispyrs cat

Nasty af

[ebon notch]

They reflect their owners

[balmy condor]

Great cat though

Love him

Just wish he wouldn’t shit on the carpet all the time

[ebon notch]

I had a stroke reading this

[balmy condor]

He didn’t used to do it

Was fine for like 6 years

[final star]

At least you don't have to clean it

He eats it before you do

[balmy condor]

And then all of a sudden

[ebon notch]

Before you do what

[balmy condor]

Hol up

[final star]

Before you clean it up?

[ebon notch]

Oh

[candid geyser]

Wait whispyr eats cat poop?

I saw that in a movie

[ebon notch]

uh

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

Uhhh

[strange python]

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I don’t even talk and still get slandered

[ebon notch]

Ur a big talker wdym

I use your stream as asmr

[candid geyser]

When I was 9 my mom told me people pick on people they like. Got me through life. 🤪😍

[ebon notch]

Every time he finds an exsang gain and smashes his desk I wake up

[balmy condor]

Why would my sister tell you that

[final star]

That's a violation

[balmy condor]

That’s a layered joke

It runs deep

And in the family

[candid geyser]

That’s what my mom said too

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/onion-cat-tabouch-gif-26315551

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

https://tenor.com/view/get-in-my-belly-ogres-are-like-onions-shrek-gif-15715123

[final star]

Ur like an onion

Bet u fucking stink

[balmy condor]

u’re*

[ebon notch]

is that cause im half indian or what

[final star]

No it's because you don't bathe

[balmy condor]

Which half

[final star]

????

[ebon notch]

you deserve everything you get

[final star]

Bottom or top

(gay joke)

[ebon notch]

im gonna spin up the discord bot accounts and ask a million questions the answers to which are in the pins

[candid geyser]

Make them all tag whispyr

[ebon notch]

"we have now disabled all @'s in the server"

[balmy condor]

That’s okay, we have prevention methods for that now

After the

Uh

[ebon notch]

incident

[balmy condor]

Incidents recently

[ebon notch]

LMAO

shouldnt have pissed him off bro

[strange python]

le mayo

[ebon notch]

shouldve just given into his demands

which were to listen to his inane rambling

[final star]

Fuu trying to work out how to auto ban that one idiot

[ebon notch]

[balmy condor]

Honestly he just makes our filters and bot detection stronger

[balmy condor]

He’s got alt accounts created in like 2016

It’s actually super tricky

[ebon notch]

bruh i just opened a box of toothpicks and my gf turns to me and says "i thought you said you werent hungry"

[candid geyser]

I see a whole future market selling older discord accounts. I’m going to make 10000 to sell in 5-10 years just for this

[ebon notch]

once discord IPOs its dead anyway

[final star]

How much sawdust can you put in a rice crispie

[balmy condor]

Eat the wood

Turn into a beaver

[ebon notch]

we'll have hopped ship to drocsid

[ebon notch]

want me to eat your wood?

[balmy condor]

Become the rat you always were

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/really-go-on-roll-eyes-gif-14175757

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor wyd come hang out on voice

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Packing up at work

[candid geyser]

When stream. I want maths and anger.

[balmy condor]

Tomorrow maybe

If not then Thursday for maple update

I have guides to write

Maybe tomorrow I just sit down and bang them out

[candid geyser]

DF guide updates?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[candid geyser]

Sounds fun

[honest vessel]

is there a good way to say thank you to realz/tell blizzard we very much appreciate what he's doing

without being annoying

[ebon notch]

just by typing it here he'll read it

[spice spire]

I feel so bad for him

He probably reads this chat in the morning

Whispyr’s demon hours

[honest vessel]

just wish there was a way to make people like him the rule rather than the exception

i guess a big part of it is creating a community they can feel welcome in

so thank you to all u mods for helping that be a possibility

[ebon notch]

shouldve seen what happened to the last guy

[spice spire]

Daps talked to him once

Can’t imagine a worse hell

[ebon notch]

.

[spice spire]

[final star]

Skip talked to the last one once

[drifting cloud]

thank god that daps guy rerolled dk so hes not here anymore

[final star]

Say no more

[spice spire]

I miss the old OTP daps

[teal bloom]

What is the aoe opener? Do you 3x empowered garrote and waste 3 combo points or do a finisher after 2

[bronze pike]

scari publicly shaming skips will never not be funny

[balmy condor]

Triple gar

[final star]

The scarizard/skip dm was 10/10

[ebon notch]

i was never an OTP

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Daps the worst OTP (old talking person)

[ebon notch]

[final star]

Daps is a young man

[ebon notch]

i was

not anymore

[final star]

Me too

[spice spire]

Daps takes me way too seriously

[final star]

I'm too old for outlaw

[ebon notch]

ill take u wherever u want

[spice spire]

Which is fair because my two modes are absolute diarrhea spewing and serious.
With 0 in between

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Can confirm

[balmy condor]

You feelin a Little silly?

[final star]

I so pretty big poops too

[spice spire]

Always

[viscid spear]

Bro he always straight chucklin

[spice spire]

(Except at work where I try to emulate the feeling by doing a bit of )

[final star]

Nice you got feelings

[balmy condor]

I missed that update

[ebon notch]

dead inside whispyr

[final star]

Dead outside

[spice spire]

Too many

[final star]

Ain't hiding it

[spice spire]

Very dead outside

Not inside

[ebon notch]

practically decomposed

[final star]

@ebon notch today I woke up at 8am, slept 5hrs then slept again til 5pm

[ebon notch]

i went to bed at 10 am

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

been up all night playing dota with the homies the past few days

[final star]

So I slept like 16 hours total

[ebon notch]

getting splitscreen halo with the boys vibes

[final star]

Brush teeth, go bed, wake up brush teeth again, go back to sleep

Then wake up, eat and go back to sleep

[silk junco]

give it to me straight boys. we have a chance for assassin at DF launch or are we hard stuck guniboi?

[green harbor]

from what i've been reading in the last few days, there's a lot more than just a chance, unless you speak of m+

[silk junco]

m+ mainly with some raiding

I really prefer assassin playstyle, outlaw is great and all.. but something about it!

[grizzled jay]

Sounds like you haven't read up on what the new Assassination playstyle is

[green harbor]

you're definitely not alone on this feeling

[grizzled jay]

Hope you like Unholy DKs

[misty holly]

I'm feeling real worried right now...

[spice spire]

No need

[oak sky]

Only opener plays like unholy

Becausd after that you never sync again

[grizzled jay]

still feels horrible for me

[candid geyser]

seems about 15-20% behind outlaw on aoe sustained throughout the dungeons i've tested.

[hard grail]

but 15-20% ahead on not shit gameplay?

[weak horizon]

Is the gameplay you guys hate about assassination the exsang bit?

[hard grail]

I dont mind exsang, i think exsang is a reason that assaination can be very strong in m+ with IC

[misty holly]

In single target, yes. Exsang is going to make refreshing bleeds a much larger part of the rotation, party because of the duration running down twice as fast every 1m, and party because sims say to max pandemic time before even pressing exsang.

So you rupture, then pandemic rupture, then exsang, then have to rupture again after they tick down really fast

add garotte in to that too.

[hard grail]

Yeah, though, I will say

Thistle tea, makes that not crazy hard

for us

esp because thistle tea is good to do then anyways for the 13% mastery while you ared using exsang, correct?

[misty holly]

I kinda want to press envenom sometimes 😢

[hard grail]

I feel like sin's execute is going to be gross

haha

[misty holly]

Espec with the new poison bomb talent only triggering on envenom

exsang degeneracy makes that look a lot less impressive now

[hard grail]

i can just see us on targets below 35% hp, deathmark, double garrote, double rupture, thistle tea, exsang, kingsbane, shiv

like that is a disgusting amount of damage

i dont know about other classes though in beta

arms warr maybe claps

[misty holly]

tbh, personally I've always prefered baseline damage gameplay with minimal cooldowns too. It feels to me like Dragonflight has just shit on that dream.

So feeling really down about the game atm

[hard grail]

Im not bashing you, but I think alot of clsses skill level was raised, most classes have alot more buttons now

people started playing classic and pressed 2 buttons

haha

but sin does have a very large amount i think vs others

like arms for example, or frost dk

maybe try one of those?

frost dk is still frost dk

destro doesnt have a ton

[runic hinge]

I think a lot of the trees make it possible so you can get down them taking mostly passives. It won’t be optimal dps but you can find your way down and prune some buttons

[hard grail]

yes ^^ for example, you dont have to play kingsbane

DTB is simming almost identical i believe

[runic hinge]

Unless you’re really pushing high keys and mythic raiding your exact talents isnt going to matter more than you feeling comfortable and having fun with what you’re doing

[hard grail]

im excited for keys with IC into exsang

huge aoe

[runic hinge]

Does exsang work with aoe? I haven’t been keeping up with it

[balmy condor]

it does not

[hard grail]

Oh.. I just got beta and have only messed with your ST build

i assumed it was all bleeds

Oh

"causing your bleed effects ON THEM"

not your bleed effects

Im just happy I can play sin, cuz i think outlaw is ass

Pog

[runic hinge]

Be a lot cooler if it did

[hard grail]

and gigabroken i guess

[balmy condor]

:P

[hard grail]

Hey whispyr, do you know how good sin's execute is vs other classes? like arms?

[runic hinge]

Sending ic and exsang on every pack

[hard grail]

@runic hinge we would be gigachads in m+

[balmy condor]

post buff it's kinda comparable

[hard grail]

wow

so pog

rogue having warrior execute dmg

i figured it was

[balmy condor]

but only cause we get it earlier :P

and its still slightly worse

[hard grail]

yeah

for sure, but i think us having anything close to "its pretty comprible to arms" execute is a win

i think that matches the spec fantasy as well (not that igaf)

Whispyr, when you get 4P, will we open differently? waiting to stack up to 20% bleed dmg to use deathmark and garrote/rupture?

[balmy condor]

it stacks in 2 seconds

[hard grail]

Ah I was testing and it was like 6-7, obv rng

my first open it got to 4 and fell off before i got 5

i just was asking cuz id assume you will wait for 5 to DM etc

[magic fossil]

hi guys, any chance of us appear in first raid?

[hard grail]

what does appear mean, you mean world first?

[magic fossil]

yes

first class

[hard grail]

i dont know for sure to answer that, maybe someone else can guess

but sin is good, depends on outlaw and fight i guess

[gusty kestrel]

as a class or a spec

[magic fossil]

spec

for me (FOR ME) oulaw is not a rogue

so sin or sub for raids?

[gusty kestrel]

uh, I mean rogues will definitely be there

specwise dno, no ones seen the last boss properly yet

[hard grail]

sin is good though

i havent played much sub at all

[empty hinge]

Imo all 3 rogue specs are decent

[magic fossil]

right

[empty hinge]

And can be played in raid and m+

So play whatever you enjoy the most

[magic fossil]

thank you man, i just dont see how outlaw fits in rogue category, but anyways, lets do it

[oak sky]

combo points, energy, builders, finishers

stealth

is a cutthroat highwayman not a rogue?

[runic hinge]

Have you ever seen pirates of the Caribbean?

[hard grail]

lol

[runic hinge]

Tell me Jack sparrow isn’t part rogue

[oak sky]

outlaw having mismatched weapons is on theme

i said it

[earnest remnant]

if u google Rogue, outlaw is actually the most fitting xD

[magic fossil]

he is?

[runic hinge]

I rewatched the series this past month so it’s fresh

[hard grail]

jack sparrow invented thistle tea

https://tenor.com/view/jacksparrow-rum-gif-22309588

[subtle tundra]

Hi

Delete outlaw

[ebon notch]

you'd reroll outlaw in a second if it was significantly better

monk scum

[runic hinge]

I think pirate rogue is fine as a class fantasy but I don’t think it should be our best performing spec

[subtle tundra]

Not to outlaw

To anything but outlaw yes

[candid geyser]

I play and love it. Then I jump on ww on do same damage without pressing any CDs 😭

[oak sky]

i think each spec should be the strongest a third ish of the time

[hard grail]

i think they should make moonkins be warrior class

🙂

[oak sky]

doesnt mean the other 2 should be dumpster every tier but

its ok for outlaw to be better sometimes

[runic hinge]

Fair

[hoary apex]

how is sin looking vs outlaw for M+ in DF?

[balmy condor]

comparable tbh

[magic fossil]

closer you can get with same amount of damage is dh?

[balmy condor]

DH is busted op

dh smashes

[topaz stirrup]

Why do people keep dogging on sin m+ performance then? Cuz I would much rather play sin than outlaw if thats the case

[balmy condor]

because it was super dog until we got like 5 rounds of buffs

[topaz stirrup]

Yeah I've been watching the buffs trickle in with crossed fingers

[restive dawn]

Hello! I saw in the pins that Kingsbane and Dragon blades builds are within a margin of error on single target. Does that hold true even without the tier set bonus or does one perform better until we get the tier set pieces?

[balmy condor]

until tier kingsbane should outperform and then with tier dtb slowly gets better and better

[restive dawn]

Okay, thank you!

[whole mason]

Gar now applies poison?

[balmy condor]

probably

[weak horizon]

How is sin looking compared to outlaw in st in dragonflight?

[honest vessel]

good!

good enough for sure

[weak horizon]

Awesome

Thanks

[honest vessel]

np

[whole mason]

that would lead to some influence in PVP, unfortunately.

[hybrid portal]

assa doesnt like versa? i figured versa stat has a loot to do with meta in m+

[balmy condor]

versa is terribad

[vestal wren]

wonder how vers is for outlaw

because it is possible that sub goes crit > mastery >= vers

[rich vine]

How lucky that three pieces from our set have a vers

[obtuse robin]

crit and ver are close for bis for outlaw

[vestal wren]

ah nice

this makes switching between outlaw/sub easy

[subtle tundra]

Vers is mega good for the current dungeons

Df

[vestal wren]

i made a stat plot for sub yesterday, thats why i asked

[steel ridge]

the general take will just be avoid haste

[bold drum]

mastery also gained decent value for outlaw

[steel ridge]

for every spec 😄

[vestal wren]

btw. this is funny

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hE3DaNsspvbzzsh6eSYK8N/simc

damn, i always fuck up cropping

[balmy condor]

[steel ridge]

is this assa or sub?

[vestal wren]

just want to showcase something, stay with me

thats

[royal lantern]

so what stat SCALES the best?

[vestal wren]

*sin

[bold drum]

mastery crit

[vestal wren]

wait a moment

this is sub in contrast

[balmy condor]

haste giga pog

[bold drum]

any haste gamers?

[vestal wren]

^ you got my point

the "bad stat" for sub (haste) is rly bad

[steel ridge]

do outlaw, looks probably the same as sub

[royal lantern]

haste for energy

[vestal wren]

while even vers on sin looks still good

thats a benefit tho

means the "highest itemlevel" strategy might still work fine for assassinaiton

[silk linden]

Any idea if assa is a good PI target this time around? The are not that many 2 min specs

[balmy condor]

considering we just determined that haste is not a good stat for us

I'm gonna say no

[bold drum]

pi sub rogue

[misty holly]

Shhh, the priests don't have to know that.

Just say yes

[steel ridge]

i am so gonna snack one of our 3 PIs

[vestal wren]

the haste thing is for sub

[steel ridge]

thats my mission for df

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not great for sin either

[hybrid portal]

got one of those for outlaw?

[vestal wren]

moment, ill search a profile quick

[stable apex]

Haste is worst stat for all 3 probably now

[balmy condor]

well vers is worse than haste for sin

[stable apex]

Ah on phone, didn't see the bottom line

[silk linden]

And how much of assa's damage is done during CDs? Trying to guess if orc is a good race this first tier

[worn badger]

sin not being addicted to haste like tryone biggums is to crack weirds me out

[balmy condor]

we didn't really care for haste that much all expansion

we've always been crit stackers in shadowlands

[balmy condor]

racials are irrelevant

[worn badger]

all racials are inferior to mechagnome anyways

[misty holly]

only Venthyr didn't want hastes because covenant ability gave a lot.

For other covenants it was still mostly best.

[balmy condor]

nah even on necro you wanted crit

[honest vessel]

jace can u get a profile pic or change ur name color i keep thinking realz said something

[bold drum]

isnt the delta rather small considering how many stats we have in df, not like a whole lot is gonna change but it would prob give a better understanding with higher ilvl

[vestal wren]

lines being "close" is good

so in a sense, sub having haste this bad is not good

but outlaw probably is in the same boat

[bold drum]

any build using tea is gonna make haste quite bad for outlaw or in general i recon

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9Afa5u3zfourjePaVkepD/simc

[bold drum]

thats one wiggly line

[vestal wren]

def. not a optimized profile, but outlaw