assassination

[subtle kiln]

yeah just don’t taunt others in the spec channel

i just walked. he’s probably still yelling at me

[spice spire]

I didn't really see it as a taunt

there's a ton of joking here

and that's how I viewed it

and how I hope merk did as well

[gusty kestrel]

!outlaw

its still there

did I do something wrong

[subtle kiln]

you try to see the good in people and i appreciate that about you

[faint harness]

Dont lie tisu you enjoy outlaw

[gusty kestrel]

yea if they keep 50% ns in

sure

[subtle kiln]

!8 did Tisu do something wrong

[faint harness]

True

[gusty kestrel]

push did u see dms

[subtle kiln]

apparently deleted the bot @gusty kestrel

[muted ivy]

[subtle kiln]

gg

[spice spire]

we having a legit check dms moment?

[gusty kestrel]

I just linked him something from testing earlier

huuuuge numbers

[subtle kiln]

@spice spire this really is OT 2.0

[spice spire]

tisu, when we beating exsang, brethren?

sorry sistren

yes man

[gusty kestrel]

unbeatable man

[spice spire]

unreal

okay

[gusty kestrel]

how long did it take in pokemon to be world champion

[spice spire]

maybe not that OT

[gusty kestrel]

maybe it takes the same time for exsang

[spice spire]

don't

[uncut echo]

now I can play sin in prepatch :^)

[spice spire]

based

god bless, and welcome

[oak sky]

🤨

and just like that it disappeared 💀

[gusty mirage]

sure did

[oak sky]

god

im resisting the urge to horny post

im winning

[gusty mirage]

if you'd like I can mute you

[oak sky]

no thats ok

not necessary

[gusty mirage]

no no, I insist

[oak sky]

😐

[drifting cloud]

[spice spire]

Hater

[strange python]

I got a question idk if its something thats been answered. Shrouded suffucation gives 3 combo points per garrote in stealth which i originally thought was just 1, however with improved garrote it can be used 3 times. Because of this you can gain up to 9 combo points. am i supposed to neglect the gained combo points and just put up 3 imp garrotes or

[oblique tangle]

Yeah I'm a little confused on how that's taunting either

[spice spire]

Just better to drop

[oblique tangle]

You should lose instead, it's more fun that way 🙃

[spice spire]

Sorry @strange python that was @oblique tangle - for aoe, you’d want to spread your bleeds as much as possible, for st it’s a bit different but hopefully that answers at least part of it

Nah thirst-posting is where I draw the line - unless you’re thirsting for one of the hot cfs or shadowblades. Then it’s just a normal Tuesday

[oblique tangle]

^ I assume Carnage is worth for AoE so you can put those garrotes on a fuckload of mobs outright but otherwise SS sounds pretty useful like he was saying

[proper tapir]

Probably, if you have 3 targets who need Gar.

[burnt juniper]

how can i know my actual dps on the target dummy with kingsbane if i'm not in execute ever...

smacking this target dummy but not sure exactly how to know how well i'm doing

[grim tangle]

you're doing great keep it up :)

[burnt juniper]

haha aww

although i would like hard, quantifiable data to know how hard i'm sucking

[honest vessel]

you can sim execute patchwerk if youd like

and then sim normal patchwerk

the % more of execute damage apply to your target dummy numbers

[earnest remnant]

you can just sim the boss never going below 35% health

[honest vessel]

thats how much ud do in execute on a target dummy

[burnt juniper]

oo interesting

[uncut echo]

Man

You're really down bad arent you

<@&224906552333697025>

[ember mural]

just ignore him, blades will take care of it

[uncut echo]

What happened king

R u ok

Pce

[spice spire]

Ping cfs too pls specifically for this dude

He’s been at it for four days

[vernal adder]

Think you can ban now also

Cfs that is

[spice spire]

Yep

But specifically because of this

[vernal adder]

Ye

[spice spire]

It won’t be a random thing. It’s literally weirdo that won’t take an l

[drifting cloud]

@spice spire @balmy condor @faint harness

[spice spire]

Ty

[candid geyser]

im @subtle tundra now.

[spice spire]

Sorry it took so long

[gusty kestrel]

WHAT DID I MISS

[drifting cloud]

guy lying threw his teeth its a bot, he was literally copy pasting, bot would do it alot faster im pretty sure

[ember mural]

he typed to ahri and I, hes manually doing it

[gusty kestrel]

maybe dm me too

[oak sky]

uwuplead

[vernal adder]

Some guitar player

[spice spire]

@gusty kestrel

[drifting cloud]

or well maybe the spam is a bot, but everything before it is manually done probs

[spice spire]

He’s doing both

[gusty kestrel]

that doesnt explain what he did

theres many weirdos

[drifting cloud]

he renames to fuu and spams bad words

[ember mural]

@gusty kestrel check dms

[gusty kestrel]

[spice spire]

Man’s popping evasion with the filter ig

[drifting cloud]

what even started it, I missed that part

[faint harness]

Heated discussion in outlaw

[ember mural]

he was being a dick in outlaw and guy told him to chill and he didnt multiple times

then fuu got involved

[spice spire]

He was rude to someone in outlaw, got muted after harassing someone in dms. Then fuu explained why, and he continued to harass him so he got banned. And now this

[ember mural]

then

[oak sky]

ur fucked

watch

xD

[honest vessel]

poor guy probably has some shit going on in his real life

[gusty kestrel]

[vernal adder]

Prolly just stupid

[faint harness]

I was close to banning you before the spam started

[oak sky]

wait what

[faint harness]

Random comment??

[gusty kestrel]

thats a lie u cant even ban people!!!!

[faint harness]

Temporary ban powers

Unleashed

[oak sky]

💀

[spice spire]

Yeah

[gusty kestrel]

[balmy condor]

CF's have ban powers

[spice spire]

There’s a line between something going on, and what the fuck

[balmy condor]

for now

[drifting cloud]

ban all andrews

[molten fable]

I'm just trying to play rogue better please :C

[oak sky]

off topic will die

[vernal adder]

Ban this flok guy

[oak sky]

me and esra are off topic

[balmy condor]

sorry to hear that :C

[oak sky]

when a real one hold an andrew down you supposed to drown

or smth like that

[gusty kestrel]

can i be a CF again

for now

😏

[balmy condor]

no

[gusty kestrel]

for now?

[candid geyser]

whispir i played exsang

[gusty kestrel]

[candid geyser]

and it contributed to my dmg

i feel corrupted

[spice spire]

Bound

[candid geyser]

90% of the time i just threw it, esp on aoe - no thought - just mashed lol

[dense jolt]

does lethal dose get double the bonus during Deathmark or does it only work per unique bleed/lethal poison?

ie does it grant +4% for having garrote twice

[balmy condor]

yes

it does

[dense jolt]

does that lessen the value of exsanguinate? would you not want to have the full 16 seconds of Lethal Dose value if exsanguinate halves the duration of Deathmark?

or is just front loading all the damage more worth it

[thorn fox]

You should exsang before the deathmark, so it speeds up the garrote and rupture, but the deathmark is full-length

[balmy condor]

you exsang before deathmark

not that we actually give a shit about syncing exsang anyway

just slam it

stupid cooldown

[dense jolt]

i see, that makes more sense, thank you

[dense cedar]

exsang should instantly kill the boss imo

[oak sky]

good take

then we dont have to play around it ever

[drifting cloud]

exsang and hearthstone, the boss is already dead

[balmy condor]

exsang should instantly kill me so I don't have to play with it

[vernal adder]

Dm yourself

[oak sky]

the inverse cheat death

cheat life

[balmy condor]

[dense cedar]

cheat death should sacrifice a party member to activate

[vernal adder]

A random member

[dense cedar]

only party tho, not across raid

can hide all the important people in seperate parties

unfortunate for m+ tho

[oblique tangle]

Cheat Death should give me a mastery boost when it procs

[balmy condor]

[dense cedar]

every cooldown should grant +12% mastery, even defensives

for like 45 seconds

this would allow for some very interesting gearing

[oblique tangle]

As long as S&D is up, I think we should gain a haste boost

This would allow for my poisons to tick faster

[dense cedar]

No.

[oblique tangle]

So that I may top dps meters

[balmy condor]

having a proper cringe competition

[dense cedar]

no one can beat u telling people to play exsang, whispyr

[balmy condor]

yeh mb

[dense cedar]

i looked in sub channel so its hard to actually complain about exsang tbh

[oblique tangle]

Why is it wrong to want Kidney to work on bosses?

[honest vessel]

it would break the game

[oblique tangle]

That's not my probleem

[honest vessel]

unless u just mean internal bleeding lol

[gusty kestrel]

na obv also the stun

big bang on rygelon? I dont think so

[dense cedar]

kick should generate 3 combo points

nah this one is actually too awful

[thorn fox]

Cut to the Chase should put up SnD if it isn't already up

[velvet ridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)

[velvet ridge]

hmm any good updated poison reminder that works with dtb

[velvet ridge]

found one

anywayyyyy, i cant hold all these assassination bindings

[honest vessel]

water ur fingers

so u can reach more

[velvet ridge]

why is snd even a button

for sin

[plain onyx]

Exactly.. it should be removed since we barely use it

I mean only one time😅

[gusty mirage]

would you prefer for us to go back to having to hard cast it?

cuz uh, that was pretty awful

[drifting cosmos]

we haven’t had this many coloured names showing in this ch for a while

[honest vessel]

woah woah woah

names of color

sheesh

[bronze pike]

are we esang kings yet whispyr?

i have a goood feeling about esang, perhaps bis feeling

👀

[honest vessel]

exsang good

[balmy condor]

exsang has been good for a while

[limber lion]

You're a bit late to the party, but welcome. :-)

[dense cedar]

i don't really get the snd hate

at least its impactful

even if a little tacked on

[gusty mirage]

me neither

especially with cut to the chase

feedback loop with proper play & snd uptime

it's essentially free damage

[dense cedar]

mentioning cut to the chase

fucking OL snd timers are so funny

kinda happy Cut isn't that efficient

[gusty mirage]

yep, you're either refreshing it or at 8 minutes

[bronze pike]

oh neat

[oak sky]

it might as well be

[dense cedar]

fight design allows for a potential drop off

[oak sky]

that never happens

[gusty mirage]

sure it does

[oak sky]

you could have 100% uptime of snd on sylvanas

i want to see it

[gusty mirage]

want to see what

[oak sky]

drop

ever

[gusty mirage]

painsmith?

[oak sky]

balls

[gusty mirage]

lol

[limber lion]

Not in intermission 1 buddy

[dense cedar]

OL SnD has like a 50% chance to last longer than their poisons

50% is a joke % of course

[oak sky]

im not gonna push it

but i dont really see it as different

[gusty mirage]

you don't see a difference between snd stacking up to 2+ minutes with grand melee and cttc being hard capped?

[warm beacon]

is sbs bugged?

[gusty mirage]

yea

[warm beacon]

it keeps removing the dot

[dense cedar]

even if cttc elimates refreshing most most of the time

i do think its a healthier design than GM

but like that's kinda just OL things

[oak sky]

i dont see a difference between over 90% of the time having snd up a whole fight and always having snd up a whole fight

that said grand melee needs to change

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

I personally don't care either way. Cttc, passive or non-existant

Doesn't change my playstyle at all at the ens of the day

[dense cedar]

90% of the time due to gameplay vs 20 minutes of SnD or base duration is pretty bad imo

[limber lion]

Just makes big number bigger

[oak sky]

do you think outlaw doesn't have to play the game to get snd uptime for grand melee

[dense cedar]

you can simply not see a GM

again, simply just how outlaw is

[oak sky]

generally speaking grand melee is just useless

and its like

always gonna be the worst rtb buff as it stands

[limber lion]

Buried Treasure not that much better lol

[oak sky]

true enough

[dense cedar]

think im pulling the convo too far away from channel purpose so im not gonna continue

Yellow channel can have their gambling fun

[gusty mirage]

you should see some of the other stuff that finds its way in here

this is better than like 90% of it

at least its wow related

[strange python]

Sorry guys, I know this kind of question is generally frowned upon but I am really in a dilemma. Me and myfriend are locked in for Rogue in Dragonflight Mythic plus. He is going Outlaw and I want to cover more of a Single Target Aspect of the dungeons (tyrannical bosses etc.) By talent structure, which spec seems to have the arsenal to dish out ST Damage so far Assa or Sub? (I am not looking for to top the meter)

[gusty mirage]

like from a purely ST perspective? as of right now, assassination is looking like the play for pure ST

[strange python]

Thank you very much, appreciated.

[gusty mirage]

[honest vessel]

super close, some sims from today but them reeeeaaaaallll close

[faint harness]

I wouldnt count on that 1 dance build to actually be good in practice

[next edge]

The HO seems more consistent imo

Rather than the dance

[faint harness]

Not falling for that bait

[next edge]

I just hate dance so gotta cope

[acoustic sky]

[uncut echo]

Gm boys 🥰

[bold drum]

gm at 12pm

[viscid spear]

[sturdy merlin]

👋🏻

[uncut echo]

It's 6am here!

[bold drum]

im glad its not 6am in eu

id be so mad

[uncut echo]

Why's that?

[bold drum]

bc im true despair at 6am

[spice spire]

Why

[bold drum]

like dont talk to me for an hour so i can wake up

[sturdy merlin]

Way too early

[bold drum]

[uncut echo]

Ood

Oof

[sturdy merlin]

[bold drum]

wake up at 6am get home at 6pm

[spice spire]

If only you knew

[bold drum]

amplifies the monday hate even more

[uncut echo]

I lowkey love monday

[bold drum]

if i like a day or not heavily depends on the lessons i have on said day

[spice spire]

Are you a sociopath?

[bold drum]

thursday is the best day legit afk the whole day

but dont let the early hour hate disturb your morning i hope everyone from na has a nice day

[uncut echo]

What do you do Blood?

[spice spire]

You as well mister bloodbag. Debating the sleep in

Student I’d assume

[bold drum]

im attending a business school

[uncut echo]

I'm eating pasta and watching stranger things while getting paid

[uncut echo]

Gotcha!

[sturdy merlin]

Monday is fine, there is only a few people at the office, it's a peaceful place

[sturdy merlin]

Since how many years ?

[bold drum]

im in my graduation year rn

every day is okay as long as people leave me alone for like an hour after i get up thats why im in school like 45 minutes before first lesson

[spice spire]

Not a morning person huh?

[bold drum]

very far from it

on weekends i sleep till like 1pm

[uncut echo]

Bruh

[bold drum]

1pm and game till 5am

god i love my weekends

[uncut echo]

I dont miss the slump

[bold drum]

esp with beta up

bc eu kinda dies at some point and then na wakes up and i can perma do keys

[sturdy merlin]

Monday must be hard for you man i understand why you're grumpy

[woeful wigeon]

@spice spire just wondering 22-26 k dps single target on raid bosses on retail with 291 ilvl with these how are you peeps performing dont be cocky just be honnest plz thx

[spice spire]

It’s fine damage.
I wouldn’t look too hard at raid dps due to affixes

[bold drum]

yeah its rough but after like an hour or sth im ready to go for the whole day

[spice spire]

Because if you’re entire group is pumping? You’re inflated, If not you’re normalized and your parse looks worse

[bold drum]

but having an exam first lesson is pure cringe for me

[spice spire]

But 26k feels pretty good

Dummy damage tells you more rn

[balmy condor]

I’m inflated? Okay keep going I’m interested

[woeful wigeon]

but on dummy cant test proprely the new poisen dusnt go off the dummy

[spice spire]

Brethren?

[uncut echo]

Inb4 dick pump

[bold drum]

[sturdy merlin]

[uncut echo]

Lmfao i fucking loce that emote

[spice spire]

At 6;30 on a Monday? In november?

You good?

[bold drum]

breaking the rules

[uncut echo]

I have no such weakness

Bro this gets off the fucking rails, I'm at like a 2/10

[sturdy merlin]

November in bold

love it

[spice spire]

Weakness? Homie, I can hear color

And I can’t even see it

[uncut echo]

Synthesia

Based

[spice spire]

Nah only the one sense

[uncut echo]

Why don't you just borrow your fiancee

[spice spire]

Colorblind (that’s not how colorblindness works but it’s the joke)

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

AM I WRONG?

[bold drum]

[spice spire]

I can’t break the vow homie!

Or else Johnny sinns will come for me! He’s like the krampus of NNN

[uncut echo]

IT'S A DUMB MEME, don't ruin your prostate health over a meme

[bold drum]

the sanest assa player

[spice spire]

(If you think I’m serious, I’m sorry)

[uncut echo]

Lmao

[bold drum]

assa channel just became a catalyst for people i see

[uncut echo]

Bro idk why but I stg every monday at 5:30 some bitch tokes the women's restroom up at work

[woeful wigeon]

well allot of woman dont wanne be pregnant during the summer other story same meme

[spice spire]

Yes man

[uncut echo]

Speak for yourself

😭

[spice spire]

Sometimes you don’t always get the choice

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

Accidents happen?

Not the other thing

[uncut echo]

I took that an ENTIRELY different way LOL

[woeful wigeon]

you tell here that sorry miss planned ?

[spice spire]

Yeah I was born in July when mom had PCOS, so sometimes mistakes really do happen

Unreal

[balmy condor]

[bold drum]

indeed

[spice spire]

Brother, not everyone uses protection! Source: my fucking work

[uncut echo]

My wife is dealing with PCOS. It's a fucking emotional nightmare

[balmy condor]

Source: me

[bold drum]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[spice spire]

Though I can see now why that looks awful

[spice spire]

Real

[woeful wigeon]

define PCOS @spice spire

[bold drum]

i love that gif

its so good

[spice spire]

Polycystic ovarian syndrome. Google it it’s horrible

[balmy condor]

People colored or something

[thin gate]

@balmy condor is there any viable way to avoid skilling into ER in 10.0 ?

[uncut echo]

Tl;dr @woeful wigeon irregular ovulation due to hormonal imbalance

[balmy condor]

No

[thin gate]

[spice spire]

It’s hell on your body

[bold drum]

[balmy condor]

You could go dance

It’s only -10%

[uncut echo]

DANCE LUL

[thin gate]

uff

nvm g2g play er

[uncut echo]

Er is so much better than dance

[spice spire]

I remember when whispyr would dance with me :/

[uncut echo]

Awwww :)

[bold drum]

er is omega fine to play

[balmy condor]

I danced with oxi in nathria

[spice spire]

I know

[thin gate]

so playing without exsang = ~-3% and without ER ~ -10%?

[spice spire]

And I’ve never forgiven you

[bold drum]

[thin gate]

means were roughly 15% worse

if we dont play by that

[balmy condor]

Well you definitely play ER

Exsang I get

ER thoigh is giga Fine

[uncut echo]

BExsang is -1.2% before user error

[balmy condor]

Nothing wrong with ER

[uncut echo]

Where if you take ttb its fire and forget

Making the class easier

[balmy condor]

Yeah except kinda not really anymore

But uh

[spice spire]

I was about to say

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Sorta

[uncut echo]

Well per your original sims

[spice spire]

Post buff it could be more

[uncut echo]

Ugh

[thin gate]

i feel like it kinda sucks that 5 CP Envenom doesnt provide a 100% Alacrity proc

[uncut echo]

Mb I clocked out since before buffs

Didn't mean to misinfo Whispyr

[spice spire]

Understandable

[balmy condor]

Dude this alacrity uptime shit

I don’t understand

Are you guys tracking alacrity

What is wrong with you clowns

[uncut echo]

LOL

GET EM

[balmy condor]

Stop staring at passive buffs you don’t play around

[sturdy merlin]

Yes i do so i can get angry when it doesn’t refresh

[balmy condor]

Are you sick in the head

[spice spire]

Yes man, I track alacrity + winds of winter + amplifying

[sturdy merlin]

[thin gate]

yes actually it makes me sick

[spice spire]

[bold drum]

elaborate planning

[uncut echo]

I track my aa speed

[thin gate]

using 5 globals to get 5 stacks

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[thin gate]

and then miss 3 in a row

it breaks me mentally

[balmy condor]

Like actually what does it matter

Hide your buff bar

What is wrong with you

[thin gate]

warcraftlog uptime

[uncut echo]

Inb4 sub tracking shadow techniques

Cursed

[balmy condor]

That one matters infinitely more

[bold drum]

i track my uptime by staring at buffs instead of looking at logs

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

I know, I kid

[spice spire]

That’s mental terrorism brethren

[bold drum]

assa plays so slow it allows me to do this

[uncut echo]

I got to give an EoN away last night for moggers

It was kinda cool

[balmy condor]

I have a live log on a second monitor filtered to alacrity uptime and when I see the alacrity buff down I blame it for parsing green

[uncut echo]

Cursed timeline

[balmy condor]

5% haste is unreal value you wouldn’t get it

[spice spire]

Most sane assa gamer

[balmy condor]

IT MATTERS

[bold drum]

"i could have gotten a r1"

[balmy condor]

I TRACK IT SO I DONT DROP THE STACKS DURING SYLV

YOU WOULDNT GET IT

[spice spire]

Real

[bold drum]

i unironically did that

nothing else going on

[spice spire]

I totally never let it fall off

[bold drum]

so mgiht aswell extend it

[balmy condor]

Yeah pog dude

[thin gate]

wait u guys actually hit parses better than green?

[balmy condor]

+5 dps

And then you miss an envenom crit

[thin gate]

cries in grey

[balmy condor]

And all that gain is gone

[uncut echo]

Homie chill

[balmy condor]

Get bent and buttered you bread roll looking bitch

[bold drum]

back then winds of winter also was a thing

[uncut echo]

They're already dead

[bold drum]

so it was giga rng

[spice spire]

Buddy say less

[uncut echo]

Mood tbh

[balmy condor]

I hate alacrity uptime farmers

Most degenerate players

Thank god alacrity isn’t 100%

Just to spite you clowns

Serves you right

[uncut echo]

[bold drum]

[uncut echo]

Gd I know how to summon you now

It's as if you've given me your true name

[bold drum]

whispyr needs to change his name to alacrity hater

[uncut echo]

I can control you through alacrity farming

[spice spire]

A lot of people here know his true name

[balmy condor]

It’s either this or stat scaling

[uncut echo]

Is it cute

[balmy condor]

Those are my two triggers

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s yerman

[bold drum]

where are my stat weights

[uncut echo]

I need pawn to tell me if this is an upgrade

[strange python]

Scales at End Game

[spice spire]

And with dracthyr on the rise

[vestal dune]

Wait, you can track buffs and debuffs in wow?

[spice spire]

There’s more scaling

[uncut echo]

Ayo

Goldshire finna be lit

[vestal dune]

I was eating a burger and a coke while raiding to know when it was time to refresh

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Me and the gang taking notes on how to piss of Whispyr

[spice spire]

I don’t think it actually pisses him off. Just annoys him, very few things actually piss him off from what I can see

[sturdy merlin]

CT sims maybe ?

[uncut echo]

I'm unbanned

[sturdy merlin]

[oak sky]

J

[thin gate]

ask him if poison bomb should have a 100% proc chance so its not rng

[spice spire]

Yeah

[oak sky]

You didnt continue the train

sang

[uncut echo]

I mean it should

[oak sky]

His name isnt jyeah bro

That would be crazy

[spice spire]

How do you know

Are you a leaker?!

[oak sky]

Ok fine if im a leaker then

Why did you leak my name

[spice spire]

Brother I leaked my own name In broad daylight

Idgaf

[oak sky]

I know your name

[bold drum]

[spice spire]

That’s horrifying

It’s quake

[oak sky]

I know the reason why dr disrespect was banned

[uncut echo]

Its ok i self doxxed on like day 3 of "contributing" here and got told to kms

[sturdy merlin]

[balmy condor]

List of people I hate in a semi-ordered list:

1. Stats matter bozos claiming they’re missing 2% gear haste and its fucking them over
2. Alacrity cringelords trying to maintain relevancy in intermissions when their damage doesn’t matter anyway and they maybe save 5 seconds of ramp on a trash buff
3. “I read the pins but I’m gonna ask a question that’s in bold in the pins”
4. Gets question answered -> I don’t believe you -> reasoning explained -> isn’t this terrible thing better? -> it’s not -> I don’t believe you THEN STOP FUCKING ASKING ME IF YOU ARENT GONNA BELIEVE ME
5. Any bis? Bis trinket? Whats bis enchant? Bis gem? Bis crafted gear? Bis body pillow? Bis my mom never loved me? Bis I’m incapable of any reasonable thought above the level of a third grader and am completely clueless on how to sim myself or read a guide or have any concept of why bis is a terrible metric or do anything please help?

[bold drum]

pin it

[spice spire]

What the fuck

[bold drum]

pin it and put it in the faq to warn people

[copper hazel]

this is a good copy pasta for oxi to TTS in your stream

[uncut echo]

Yeeeee when someone was like "UR NAMES AHRI LIKE THE LEAGUE CHAMP HAHA" I got a few dms lmao

[oak sky]

Alacrity is good because haste matters is alacrity good btw didnt read pins also do we go a haste stat stick or does alacriry make it dr @balmy condor pls answer

[spice spire]

Where do the “is x good.” Minutes after notes are posted fall?

[balmy condor]

They’re number 6

[little light]

I read that list as a call to action pepelaugh

[uncut echo]

I'm number 7

[spice spire]

Well considering that was slightly my fault, I’m really sorry to hear that.

Legitimately awful stuff

[uncut echo]

Bro no

You're fine

[balmy condor]

3 minutes after wowhead datamined buffs “HEY CAN YOU TELL ME IF WE PLAY XYZ”

No I can’t

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I’m not a walking simulation bot

I’m a human

[oak sky]

Sooooo carnage is good now at 1 minute

[spice spire]

Is sin playable?!

[strange python]

there is without a doubt a way to incorporate ALL of these into a single question I'm sure...

[oak sky]

But do we play dance+ MA??!!

[uncut echo]

Whispyr do you go over a small how to in on stream to do this stuff?

[bold drum]

why cant i take dtb and kb

i need answers

[uncut echo]

That one needs to happen

[balmy condor]

How to what

[uncut echo]

Write sim code and stuff

Like a small eli5

[sturdy merlin]

That would be cool yes

[bold drum]

making half of the class discord sim bots

[balmy condor]

Why can’t you hold a stable relationship for more than a year, is it cause you can’t love yourself so you push them away?

[uncut echo]

Ayo?

[spice spire]

[bold drum]

[thin gate]

emotional damage

[strange python]

Hard in the paint

[uncut echo]

Fiesty Whispyr

[balmy condor]

I have a thing for that but yes I do it on stream sometimes when people ask

[bold drum]

out for blood

[balmy condor]

Momento

[bold drum]

[uncut echo]

That's cool! I'd definitely be interested, cozying up with a hot cocoa getting all learnt and shit

[fringe yoke]

point 4 applys here.. i dont believe you

plz explain

[bold drum]

you can gauge how much whisypr hates a question based on how harsh he replies

[balmy condor]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZj6YizymmQBu17XHjEaybgOURn4DTVpNmLaHCNGlNY/edit?usp=sharing

This is super half assed

Don’t ask me anything

I wrote it at 5am

[copper hazel]

omg will this make me hot?

[oak sky]

No just make you sleep at demon hours

And sim 25 hours a day

[bold drum]

will this make assa good

[oak sky]

And put on the cat ear headset

[copper hazel]

damn i like my sleep though

[oak sky]

Ok maybe it does make you hot

[uncut echo]

BABY'S FIRST GEAR IMPORT

HAHAHAHAHA

[balmy condor]

If you can find playable gains that I haven’t, yes

[spice spire]

Brother I eat sleep and drink gains

Dw

[oak sky]

Ambush opener

[balmy condor]

I had a CT line that had a variable refresh time depending on target count that also varied based on amp poison stacks and poison bomb and it was super not human

So I scrapped it

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/math-numbers-confused-when-he-say-hes-straight-what-gif-7675506

[flint marsh]

bis list

[bold drum]

was it a gain tho

[balmy condor]

Cause no one is gonna say “I’m in 5 target so that’s 2+1.3x5 and amp is at 11 so I envenom for poison bomb but only if I have 25 energy per second + 2 per target is 10 is 35

Pulls done

[balmy condor]

1.2%

[bold drum]

wait you arent doing that on every pull

[bold drum]

already found a gain then

[balmy condor]

Yeah no

Cause we don’t add superhuman shit to sims

[strange python]

yeah hey, idk about you guys but I do that kind of stuff every 3rd pull with my 6head

[balmy condor]

It has to be reasonable for a human

[fringe yoke]

just play outlaw in m+? xD

[balmy condor]

Like it’s okay to play a little complicated if it’s technically possible

But some stuff is just insane

Like the sim reacting instantly to proccing a shadow tech into an animacharge cp 25 milliseconds before the gcd hits and swapping to eviscerate

[strange python]

Whispyr IRL

[copper hazel]

pretty sure most people just be like, envenom into poison pomb go brrr

[bold drum]

[balmy condor]

Oh man that’s old

[spice spire]

That is an ancient one

Yeah

Took me a hot second to find

[bold drum]

he had that screenshot ready to go

[spice spire]

Red Cev, green whispyr

[bold drum]

just waiting to use it

[balmy condor]

He has a folder

The vault

[copper hazel]

back when things were good and crypto wasnt a thing

[spice spire]

1000+ Rh screenshots

[viscid spear]

You underestimate his resourcefulness

[strange python]

we're almost back there, we good

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

Quake is the ravenholdt historian

[spice spire]

Poorly

I don’t even have a riverfang screenshot, somehow

[balmy condor]

Fiverrang

What a legend

[bold drum]

quake has a 10tb hdd with screenshots

preserving them for future generations

[spice spire]

Shit like that

Y’know, caught lackin

[balmy condor]

The only things I remember about riverfang is he rank 1’d a fight and ego’d out of his mind

[uncut echo]

AYY I KNOW THAT OLD ICON

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s about it

The pre blue haired icon days

[balmy condor]

And then had a meltdown in OT about how he’s got the launch codes to nuclear submarines or something

And zephyr was like who?

[bold drum]

average assa player

[spice spire]

Did riverfang really get THE MAN’d?

[hybrid portal]

atleast outlaws were not mentioned

[balmy condor]

Assassination gets some real clowns when it’s not good

[balmy condor]

Outlaw players are the homies

Hate the spec not the player

[woeful wigeon]

@balmy condor just a question about sec stats if did you already check these out or not for example you said amp stack on mastery if we play bts are we going to go for mastery of crit ? with haste

[bold drum]

thats hard to believe

[strange python]

outlaws are too busy pressing glowing buttons and checking their energy values to be in here causing problems

they do that between keys

[bold drum]

ive heard some different things on stream

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

Crit > mast >> haste >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

vers

[spice spire]

Man hates what he can’t do

[balmy condor]

Delete the vods

[spice spire]

Stop the count!

[woeful wigeon]

this make it clear tyvm

[strange python]

re-count - there was invalid votes

[flint marsh]

if we assumed that priority damage is for some reason omega important, is that a niche assa has over say outlaw or is it still not particularly noticable?

[copper hazel]

the voting machines were tampered with 💯

[balmy condor]

Sure I guess it’s better

[bold drum]

watching that one raidtesting where he played outlaw was fun tho

[balmy condor]

You press kingsbane deathmark now you have prio

That’s cool I guess

[strange python]

man I'm still so happy to see kingsbane back

[flint marsh]

just feel like pack design at the moment has one major mechanic that is sometimes non kickable and happens in waves, so have been thinking about prio damage a bit more lately

[balmy condor]

It’s not like a warlock pressing chaos bolt or an arcane mage hitting a 700k crit

But it’s something

[flint marsh]

ya was arcane that made me think of it

[balmy condor]

All the rogue specs are kinda prio bots honestly

Sub funnels better

Sin just bursts

[copper hazel]

sin does feel good, ass too

[balmy condor]

Outlaw slashy stuff

[balmy condor]

Hol up

[copper hazel]

edit to the edit

[hardy dagger]

Vers best stat gives dr

[strange python]

we all just stab stuff in different flavours

[bold drum]

sub funnel is a thing

[versed mica]

Did he stutter

[balmy condor]

Also gives bd

[hardy dagger]

Imma stack vers for prog

[bold drum]

if you stack vers might aswell play a spec that actually has value to it

[copper hazel]

so..DH?

[versed mica]

Outlaw

[copper hazel]

[balmy condor]

Outlaw crit mastery yejoice

[bold drum]

i think vers is still way to good

[hardy dagger]

Even if exanguinate is lame this assa itteration is the best i have ever played

[bold drum]

but crit and mastery are both solid options now

[strange python]

bruh main gauche is the truth right now

[spice spire]

[bold drum]

most cursed outlaw timeline

[spice spire]

Mastery truthers ahead of their time

[versed mica]

Where's my glyph to change main gauche to backhanding

I wanna slap the fuck outta some dragons

[strange python]

main gauche "you pull a leather glove out of your pocket to sla..."

[balmy condor]

Idk where’s your glyph to get a decent screen name

Bros got parentheses in his name

My guy doing some PEMDAS

[strange python]

Whispyr (Scales with decibels)

[versed mica]

There we go

[strange python]

little on the nose, but I'll pay that

[quaint sequoia]

So many active spells in the ST builds 🤮

and exsang best on both st and m+, guess sin is dead for me

[subtle tundra]

bye

[solar tangle]

why many ppl dont like exsang.. playstyle so bad?

[subtle tundra]

int not very intuitive but i like it

[solar tangle]

does it change rotation? its not displayed on wowhead

[spice spire]

Now it’s not counterintuitive

[subtle tundra]

is outlaw deleted yet? havent checked today...

[spice spire]

It’s just a random button you press on cd

[spice spire]

Stop hating

[subtle tundra]

i mean it requires you to refresh to max pandemic before using it

even if its not in pandemic range

[spice spire]

I mean sure, but that’s not a GIGA thing. It’s not like everything at max + line up with CDs + snapshot

[quaint sequoia]

best ST build is adding 6 keybinds 🤮

[subtle tundra]

its better than mutilate envenom gameplay

[royal lantern]

ye, now we instead have 200buttons you press on cd.....big change i gues?

[spice spire]

Pretty sure DTB still ends up within margin of error

If you’re that worried

About keybinds

[quaint sequoia]

still 5 more keybinds then

[spice spire]

Exsang is a minimal loss to take ttb insyead

What are the 4 🤨

[subtle tundra]

you do press on cd, yea, but you have to do exsang prep , shiv management sbs if there's additional targets, er cp hitting.

i think its a lot of depth added

[quaint sequoia]

thistle tea, kyrian and necro cov, blindside adds ambush outside of stealth

[spice spire]

You’ve added 2 keybinds

You’re dropping one covenant ability, picking two up

Outside of that it’s legit tea

[royal lantern]

i know what you mean, but lets not act as if shiv suddenly has big deepth around it lol, same with exsang, its just "5sec before exsangn is up, you do mut mut Rupture garrote"

[quaint sequoia]

blindside ambush

gotta bind it outside of stealh

[subtle tundra]

its a lot of small things

added its a lot

idk why thats a problem

[royal lantern]

what did even change for shiv

or did anything change at all

[subtle tundra]

2 charges?

you need 2 for kb

[spice spire]

It should have been already, we used it for two patches

[quaint sequoia]

played sub since sepulcher

[royal lantern]

ye but thats no deepth lol, you just play it like sdance for sub:use it to prevent overcapping, have max charges for the cd ability, aka kingsbane

[marble hemlock]

Youre losing 2 covenant abilities, even

[spice spire]

That wasn’t one of the two patches we did it on

[marble hemlock]

One for DPS and one for Utility

[spice spire]

True!

[marble hemlock]

So its the same amount of buttons

Its only more hotkeys right now in prepatch

[spice spire]

I mean tea is +1

[quaint sequoia]

utility cov wasn't on a rotation keybind tho

[strange python]

just gota work out the best thing to bind tea to is all

[subtle tundra]

to the tea bind

[quaint sequoia]

blindside proc should just change your mut keybind to ambush imo

[subtle tundra]

[marble hemlock]

just dont talent feint

and you free up another hotkey

[subtle tundra]

are we... becoming outlaw?

[weak plover]

No

[sturdy merlin]

what's the point of getting procs if you don't have to react

and press the same key instead

[royal lantern]

does no dmg AND costs Energy, actually a troll talent tbh

[marble hemlock]

but yeah a decent m+ build will include a bunch more buttons now, between gouge, tea, ER, kingsbane and IC

we lose 2 hotkeys but gained 5

[quaint sequoia]

why not?

[subtle tundra]

you dont need tea in m+, 2nd point of lethality is extremely close to it

[spice spire]

There was an old way to do it

But with changes in macros

[weak plover]

You might want to Mut and then ambush to avoid overcapping energy?

[spice spire]

You might be able to just macro it if you’re that worried

[spice spire]

No, every mut is a chance for another bs proc

Better to full send 95% of the time

[steel ridge]

wasnt it like 7% or did that change again

[spice spire]

It was 1.2% before the buffs

Unsure what it is now

Had to miss a large part of the sim stream

[subtle tundra]

last i heard 6%

if you dont like exsang just play something else not my problem

[quaint sequoia]

6% is to much to not play it 🤷‍♂️

[pure moth]

yeah i heard 6% as well.

[limber lion]

That was with a different build as well. But yeah it's 6%+.

[spice spire]

Buffs big. It’s still an easy button to fit in

[quaint sequoia]

Guess I gotta check how havoc looks

[limber lion]

Weak

[junior rampart]

Is it possible to macro Mut and Ambush to the same key? As in when the ambush procs it shows in place of Mut.

[limber lion]

Not really, there's some gimmicky ways to do it but it's not worth the hassle

[spice spire]

There was

But with macro changes coming, honestly not 100% sure it’ll still work

[junior rampart]

Thank you

[strange python]

I don't see Exsanguinate chosen on WoWhead guide. (new to assa)

[steel ridge]

wowhead is prepatch

[sturdy merlin]

Wowhead gives you an easy build

prepatch is also made for testing other stuff so feel free to use it 😛

[strange python]

Alright

[quaint sequoia]

Havoc was shit, so I'm fucked this xpac 🙃

[spice spire]

Havoc is fine

[quaint sequoia]

Momentum 🤮

[swift grotto]

Is there any public sims of our three specs in df raid?

[steel ridge]

havoc is just one of the strongest rn

[thorn fjord]

Morning sinners

[spice spire]

There will be. Still waiting on tuning to finish.
Loosely sin is best St, while outlaw will be best in cleave due to its ease + more front loaded dam.

This could change any minute

GM mister die slow

[thorn fjord]

Got to try sin on some fights this weekend and i must say it doest feel pretty nice

[quaint sequoia]

Was talking about build not numbers

[subtle tundra]

On beta?

[thorn fjord]

Nah pre patch

But it was my first time trying it

[subtle tundra]

Who cares about prepatch

👨‍🦯

[thorn fjord]

🤷‍♂️

Hadnt touched it

Making me excited for df tho

I dont have beta access 😦

[steel ridge]

our demon hunters said its way better than SL

[spice spire]

It is

And it’s not even close

[oblique tangle]

I think death mark should automatically trigger a free exsang without putting it on cd

[steel ridge]

thats basically what it does

[oblique tangle]

You have a fair point

Death mark should work with every single bleed instead then

[uncut echo]

Sbs, internal and doomblade?

[oblique tangle]

Especially doomblade

[uncut echo]

Doomblade is kinda piss dam tho, but I get what you're saying

[spice spire]

It would double it for 2 seconds

Sbs would be an experience

[uncut echo]

Sbs is kinda based

I like that

[gusty mirage]

We’ve lived that reality before

It’ll never work with sbs ever lol

[spice spire]

Yeah it closed the game for you

[gusty mirage]

Last time it did, we crashed the ptr server

[spice spire]

Ahri was right

It is based

[cobalt hemlock]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

Because it’d infinitely speed it up

And you could stack it over and over and over again

[spice spire]

9.0.5 beta was magical

[gusty mirage]

All it took was a few rogues and some target dummies

But I think they kinda figured it out with the 4pc

[uncut echo]

Lmaoooo

[cobalt hemlock]

kinda sucks how lots of classes how their tier sets in talents trees while we didnt i liked the new playstyle

[gusty mirage]

I mean we kinda do, it’s exsanguinate

[spice spire]

My brother in Christ, we have exsang in the tree

[gusty mirage]

All we’re missing from the tier set is the 2pc

[cobalt hemlock]

its not the same tho

[spice spire]

Close enough

[cobalt hemlock]

you didnt do that degen shit with it

[spice spire]

Kind of

[violet jackal]

I wish the 2piece was a talent

[gusty mirage]

Exsang will always encourage degen shit, don’t you worry

[gusty mirage]

Same

Imagine instead of flying daggers we got the 2pc

[royal lantern]

imagine instead of exsang we got a good talent or a reworked exsang

[gusty mirage]

Well that was never happening

[viscid spear]

I'ma run Exsanguinate

[gusty mirage]

You and everyone else brother

[next edge]

Now that Oxi is here

I think it's safe for me to say

[gusty mirage]

Hi dad

[uncut echo]

God

[next edge]

that Exsang is a good talent and I enjoy it

[uncut echo]

2pc would've made me shake in delight

[viscid spear]

And then I will never press it

[gusty mirage]

I played it in a key, it was kinda whatever

[spice spire]

This mf hates Exsang more than everyone combined

[next edge]

Love you oxi dont ban me

[gusty mirage]

Neat prio damage

[viscid spear]

That's right, I'm a clicker

[spice spire]

Unreal rizz

[gusty mirage]

Less annoying in keys tbh

[next edge]

But you have to set it up anyways right

[gusty mirage]

Cause you still have other bleeds for energy regen

[next edge]

I think thats the annoying part

Make Exsang AoE

IC-Exsang

STONKS

[spice spire]

Legit question (non refuting) why? It was a pretty negligible passive that felt, mediocre at best? To me anyway, always love to hear opposing thoughts

[gusty mirage]

Cause it’s more impactful than a shitty fok pvp talent

[uncut echo]

Ic + that

[gusty mirage]

Plus gives shiv more value in aoe

[spice spire]

And ic makes it more instant

Sure

[next edge]

I have to say that I still need practise

but fitting Exsang into opener is still weird to me

Like getting used to it

[subtle tundra]

2pc was bad design

[gusty mirage]

How was it bad design

[subtle tundra]

Putting more of our aoe on utility button

Uwu

I loved holding shiv in aoe

Yay

[spice spire]

Most sane varas take yet

Holy

[subtle tundra]

Nobody cared cause nobody played assa in m+ and soothe spec was meta already

Pure luck

If the 2pc was in s2 meta it would've been awful

[spice spire]

Having a utility button also be a damage button is a pretty big design flaw already IMO.

Not on anyone to fix it, just separating tb and shiv was rough

[gusty mirage]

Making shiv a utility button was the bad design

[spice spire]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

Not the 2pc

[uncut echo]

Replace shiv with toxic blade

[quaint sequoia]

should make shiv just utility since they bring back KB as a talent

[royal lantern]

we went full circle?

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

If we still had toxic blade and shiv was just a utility button, then your problems with the 2pc dissipates immediately

The problem was shiv came back and they gave us a rank 2 for a vital piece of our rotation

And also made it utility

ty papa Ion

[spice spire]

Yeah I think that’s his point, don’t think there’s much beyond shivving = damage++, bad design. 2pc designed around utility > more damage makes it worse design

[royal lantern]

tbf, i still think its funny

people begged for toxic blade to become baseline, and blizzard went full monkeys paw: "its baseline now, as shiv, and at the same time we give shiv soothe utility 🙈 "

[spice spire]

Separate button? Fine

[gusty mirage]

2pc wasn’t designed around utility, shiv is a damage button for assassination and was before the 2pc existed

[spice spire]

Yeah which is bad design.
Adding more damage necessity makes it even worse

[gusty mirage]

Not really

It adds value to sacrificing the utility you get from it

How is that “even worse”?

You were sacrificing the utility anyway

[subtle tundra]

The ship had sailed by then. It was bad design.

[spice spire]

Because before i could hold shiv for a soothe and not feel like complete garbage.
Post 2p, it feels infinitely worse

[gusty mirage]

And if you weren’t; you were inting your damage

two different philosophies I guess

if you're holding shiv for utility purposes, which is a button you pressed on CD even in aoe, why does it matter that you're missing out on the extra damage

like at that point, it's clear your entire position is the utility > my damage

so who gives a fuck if you didn't get full value out of the 2pc

because damage wasn't your priority to begin with

[spice spire]

Yeah, when the utility was necessary for the tank to survive it’s fairly important. I’m not saying it’s degrees different, I’m saying by putting more damage on, you’re continuing the trend of poor design, which in turn makes it worse design

[gusty mirage]

so it goes back to the original "bad design" being shiv replacing toxic blade

the 2pc was a great bonus

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m not arguing the first part

[gusty mirage]

my leaf is gone

😦

[spice spire]

As for the 2p my qualm was it feels bland.
Generic damage gain. I wouldn’t mind it on the tree, I’m not necessarily missing it tho

[spice spire]

You’ve grown from an herbie

[gusty mirage]

our entire tree sans a handful abilities are "generic damage gains"

[spice spire]

Yeah and the few that aren’t (minus kb) are pretty pog to me

[gusty mirage]

idk you seemed pretty "pog" about shrouded suffocation coming back

which is entirely passive

[spice spire]

That’s different and you know it

Don’t

[gusty mirage]

how

it's literally a generic damage gain

lmao

[spice spire]

It changes rotation slightly
It’s not like it’s Doomblade on the tree

Also you can’t hold me on a pin from April man

Smdh

[gusty mirage]

it saves 1 global in the opener

huge