assassination

[faint harness]

@balmy condor do i do anything special with shivs and kB

[drifting cloud]

you use both for kb and hold

[faint harness]

always?

[balmy condor]

yes

[dense herald]

Save both shiv’s for kb, shiv - envenom -kb

[faint harness]

alright

[balmy condor]

you layer the shivs to last the whole time

every other kingsbane is a deathmarkj

[faint harness]

makes sense

what about sbs

just use whenever or

tea rule is for energy only?

[balmy condor]

yep yep

[faint harness]

and then the golden question, when the fuck do i exsang

almost puked while typing that out

[timid cloud]

After…DM, no?

[dense herald]

Before I think

[balmy condor]

before DM in opener, then on cooldown

[dense herald]

But I haven’t got my head around when to exang dm vanish

[balmy condor]

if it lines up naturally you want to exsang -> dm

[faint harness]

alright

[timid cloud]

Why before & not after, for curiosity’s sake?

[faint harness]

ER is just send on cd too i assume

[dense herald]

I think using it after actually reduced the DM time, so less time available to duplicate dots

[balmy condor]

exsang halves deathmark

[balmy condor]

yes

[timid cloud]

Ah, I see…

[faint harness]

really

[timid cloud]

I’m gonna just…read my abilities some more.

[faint harness]

deathmark is a bleed

[timid cloud]

Nah. I do. Just trying to big brain it.

I’m going back to bed.

[kind talon]

exsang

[plain cipher]

yeah its fun

[kind talon]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[faint harness]

i mean if the dev(s) want to do something about button bloat for assa, i would chop exsang

[timid cloud]

Yeah, I don’t feel so good Mr.Push.

I wish I didn’t have to push Exsang.

[faint harness]

ultimately it doesnt really matter

but it just feels like a whatever button to press

[kind talon]

double rupture double garrote is sick

in opener

very awesome

[timid cloud]

It feels like a button thrown into a rotation where it doesn’t matter. Like downtime in the middle of our rotation.

It just feels like I’m hitting Throw Glaive on a DH.

[kind talon]

as my good friend put it a talent that forces you to go against pandemic and rupture / garrote the same enemy twice is cringe

[royal lantern]

dont say that out loud

or tiny toxic blade turns poisoned knife into a cd

🙂

[hardy dagger]

do we have sims anywhere? cant find em in faq or pins or are they still WIP?

[oak sky]

I LOVE EXSANG I LOVE EXSANG I LOVE EXSANG

[kind talon]

garrote rupture garrote mut rupture exsang deathmark

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[oak sky]

garrote snd garrote rupture vanish garrote mut rupture exsang deathmark

[kind talon]

triple garrote opener

holy shit

sick

[royal lantern]

you sure the first mut is not bone spike?

[oak sky]

i made it up

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[cerulean walrus]

Garret 1

Garret 2

[royal lantern]

Garret 3

Fook FooK

[next edge]

Garret tea kb snd mutilate rupture garret vanish ambush DM

Then PS only with opportunity proc at 3 or less CP

[royal lantern]

huh

[cerulean walrus]

[next edge]

Talking about 11.0 assa

btw Tryan

what race should I play to learn my rotation

[cerulean walrus]

Outlassassination

Outlassassubtlety

[royal lantern]

pandaasslaw has a cool interaction with its racial, but personaly think dwafrasssub is better overall

god that is so cursed

[spice spire]

What the fuck am I reading

[royal lantern]

our brains are bleeding out

[spice spire]

I decided to touch grass

Spend time with friends

[royal lantern]

exsanguinate happening irl

[spice spire]

World peace achieved

Unreal

[royal lantern]

jokes on you, hay fever, i will just sneeze

[spice spire]

[oblique tangle]

Why does everyone hate exsang:(

[spice spire]

Idk man

[potent topaz]

in m+ without SBS a nice opener though

[spice spire]

It’s fine

I’m apathetic to it

[earnest remnant]

@gusty mirage explain it to the man, why do we indeed hate it

[royal lantern]

cus it plays bad

[oak sky]

but its a st opener

[royal lantern]

and is just another button that exists for no reason

[oblique tangle]

Yeah I'm neither here nor there on it.

[royal lantern]

when assa is allready becomming bloated

[oblique tangle]

Just use it in random with death mark and every time it's up after garottr+rupture reapplication ezpz simple :))

[spice spire]

[potent topaz]

yep but for m+ bosses I will try it 🙂

[spice spire]

No man

[oak sky]

double rupture

is an abomination

[royal lantern]

that just made me puke lmao

[oblique tangle]

Sorry, tandem*

[oblique tangle]

Double rupture chad

[dense herald]

You talking about sbs?

[potent topaz]

it would really help when Exsang just "assumes" that existing bleeds are already refreshed ones to skip this double Rupture part

[royal lantern]

i mean, no fan of sbs in st, but atleast it doesnt make your gameplay actually worse + its nice for everything that has more then 1 target

sbs in st is really just "use early once, then use it somewhat as a mut replacment that hits hard"

[balmy condor]

Clunky gameplay super cringe snapshotting, awful line up

[drifting cosmos]

And 1 more button

[royal lantern]

exsang is like, 45sec cd makes it line up with nothing by default, you spend more time setting up new bleeds just to instantly let them run out and set up again

like, you do your normal rotation, then you get cp to use rupture and garrote cus exsang is up, then you use exsang, let them run out and do it again in 10sec cus exsang made them run out

ENGAGING

setting bleeds up->exsang->set up again, do it every 45sec 🙂

[drifting cosmos]

high apm gameplay

[royal lantern]

assa is allready 58apm

[hardy dagger]

the fact that exang halves your main cd is chef's kiss

[dense herald]

Yeah I’m exactly the same, especially when it was used in m+ it felt very invasive to the rotation, felt like you were using it soo often and just added another button
Plus tbh i feel like a giant green ability feels out of place for a rogue. When covenants existed sure, but now it’s just weird.

[royal lantern]

thats almost gcd locked for an energy class lol

+exsang litearlly kills our cd

so you need to use it, but NOT when your cd is up

hf having a brainfart once there

[royal lantern]

i 100%agree with covenant abilitys still having the covenant theme feeling weird, trust me

[drifting cosmos]

it will be a dps plus for me not to use it cos I know I will fk up all the timings

[royal lantern]

espacily because they changed SOME of them

but like, the choices where so random

mindgames from priest turned from venthyr red into void stuff

but rogue still throwing necromancy bone spears around

[dense herald]

Hot take but I also don’t think sbs should not generate combo points, I feel like it should be a cleave ability and cleave dot and that’s it,
Would love sepsis to be more viable as it’s less invasive to the rest of sins kit

[royal lantern]

a rogue dmg ability that doesnt generate or consume cp is just wrong

like, the entire energy economy is based around building/spending cp

[dense herald]

Sure, but when I’m pressing a single target ability on aoe because it’s such a strong generator it feels weird

[royal lantern]

i know what you mean, trust me

[dense herald]

I just have a thing against sbs haha

Lots love it tho

[royal lantern]

like, i dont mind sbs, but its a bit weird in general

its a chose node with sepsis, when they fill 100%different roles

+its behind doomblade, a talent that makes mut stronger

so you get a better mut, and then can pick a talent that makes you use mut less often?

[dense herald]

Using the night fae warrior ability as a warrior is enough to not want me to play a butterfly warrior

[royal lantern]

its a bit weird, dunno

[oblique tangle]

I feel like it'd be really nice if it didn't trigger a gcd

[balmy condor]

It would still be terrible

[royal lantern]

didnt they change it to a normal shockwave visual

[balmy condor]

It’s not the gcd

[oblique tangle]

Like that would make it way smoother

[balmy condor]

It’s the fact that the rotation is degenerate

No it wouldn’t

[royal lantern]

what would the gcd change lol

[dense herald]

Oh did they? Man I wish they changed sbs to an actual cool looking throwing dagger visual or something

[oblique tangle]

I just mean if it wasn't on the gcd

[royal lantern]

like, you still need to put up bleeds, press exsang and put up again lol

[oblique tangle]

So you could use it without having to fuckin' wait

[royal lantern]

exsang not beeing on the gcd would change nothing at all lol

[balmy condor]

Wow players love blaming gcd’s for the problems of a whole ability

Man I hate Deathmark but if it weren’t on the gcd it would be the best thing ever

[oblique tangle]

I'm not blaming a gcd, I personally enjoy exsang

But it'd be nice because it would make everything a lot more smooth

[royal lantern]

vendetta is bad because its on the gcd

and not because it was a boring as hell ability by desing, its the evil gcd

[balmy condor]

Out of curiosity how do you play with exsang

[oblique tangle]

Well I press the button

[balmy condor]

Uh huh

[oblique tangle]

And it does damage

[balmy condor]

And how do you prep for it

Do you sync it with anything

Do you do anything with it

Or is it literally just this button is available I’m hitting it

[placid adder]

i hit buton

[balmy condor]

pog

[oblique tangle]

I'm offended you don't think I set up the bleeds before pressing the button :(

[next edge]

Then there's no way you can enjoy the ability

lol

[oblique tangle]

I like dots. A lot.

I main ass rogue and aff lock

[next edge]

Me too

exsang is not a dot

[oblique tangle]

Right but it plays with my dots

[balmy condor]

I mean respectfully from what I've seen from your conversations you don't try to min-max damage and prioritize the fun over it. Which is fine, but also means you might avoid a lot of the awkward shit that comes with playing something like exsang because the awkward stuff is not fun

[oblique tangle]

And the only thing I dislike about it is how it's attached to the gcd because it makes it feel clunky to use for me but not any other part related to it

[next edge]

What's the problem with GCD

I think people is so confused about GCDs

[oblique tangle]

Well, how would one optimize exsang usage?

[royal lantern]

exsang is not bad, except the gcd, THATS the bad part

[next edge]

True

[oblique tangle]

I just don't like having to wait after it :( just feels clunk

[balmy condor]

you would refresh garrote and rupture beforehand, regardless of the remaining time on them

that's the big jank

[next edge]

If Exsang wasn't on GCD i could garret at the same time I press it

[oblique tangle]

I legitimately enjoy exsang

[twilit hollow]

just remove every GCD on everything so i can animation cancel like blade and soul and get RSI

[oblique tangle]

Oh. Yeah I do that, doesn't bother me tbh

[balmy condor]

interestin

[royal lantern]

garrote at 15sec and rupture at20? get cp and refresh them exsang is up in 5seconds

then press exsang

let them run out

and do it again

oh and dm is comming up soon, prepare for that one

dm is over? exsang up in 10sec! better prepare your next max duration rupture/garrote!

F U N

[oblique tangle]

Yeah, the more I get to press the angry dot buttons the better!

[royal lantern]

yeha sure, refreshing the same 2 bleeds over and over and over again, against normal pandemi rules

is great dot gameplay

[next edge]

After reading Tryan I just went Outlaw until 11.0

[royal lantern]

sure

[royal lantern]

i hope you realise that i love to exaggerate to make people understand something

[next edge]

Well in that case is not that far from exaggeration

[oblique tangle]

I mean, it could be better but it doesn't bother me

[royal lantern]

like, the timer is made up

[teal bloom]

I don't think that was an exaggeration KEKW

[royal lantern]

dunno if it is 10seconds

perhaps its 15 or 6

[royal lantern]

no dot class in this game is constantly refreshing the same 2 dots over and over and over again

cus thats no dot gameplay

[gusty mirage]

I can explain why I don't like it

I cannot speak for the masses

[royal lantern]

its just degenerate dot refreshing without the feeling of a payoff for once

[oak sky]

like

theres ways of making us dot more

without it feeling this degen

that might actually be fun

[spice spire]

Bless up

[oblique tangle]

The payoff is the exsang damage!

[oak sky]

this is just an unintuitive, frustrating, and annoying way of making us dot more

[balmy condor]

can you explain why I don't like you

😠

[royal lantern]

hey, i was just giving an actually explanation why i think its bad for once, not my usual delete exsang :c

[gusty mirage]

because I won't show you my toes

[spice spire]

But he shows us his toes

[gusty mirage]

I did the thing

I did a key with exsang

[drifting cloud]

why are you still a herbie

seems rigged

[gusty mirage]

because it lasts 2 weeks

[haughty wasp]

yo got a stupid question.
does both new posion work? the dmg reduc + attack speed slow?

[drifting cloud]

2 weeks? jesus christ

[gusty mirage]

new poison is just DR

choice node picks between attack speed slow or the DR poison

[timid cloud]

I’ll say it, I enjoyed Outlaw.

[gusty mirage]

go shower

right now

I might be reformed on exsang

[haughty wasp]

do both of them work on bosses?

[timid cloud]

While Sin reminds me more of a body of water, there’s an ebb and flow to it (due to seal fate)

[gusty mirage]

yes

sometimes you'll get a boss where it doesn't

but it works on most bosses

[timid cloud]

Outlaw reminds me of what it’s like to slam my head into my keyboard.

[royal lantern]

how

in the good or bad way

[timid cloud]

@spice spire

[gusty mirage]

in a "I may not want to drink bleach" kinda way

like still not the biggest fan of it, but like

[timid cloud]

I still will.

[gusty mirage]

it's getting to "whatever" levels

SL s3 and s4 made me hate it a little less ig

[timid cloud]

Exsang is the Bleed version of Shiv, I guess….

[royal lantern]

more like the little brother of shiv that was always drinking glue

[royal lantern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

[gusty mirage]

that's stupid I've never been to sweden

[timid cloud]

[faint harness]

theres a show on netflix about the guy who was the reason they created the term "stockholm syndrome"

its pretty good

[visual dagger]

is the expectation that sin will be playing blindside at 70?

[balmy condor]

yes

blindside is one of the strongest talents on the tree

[visual dagger]

sick

finally

[balmy condor]

you can see the current best trees in the pins

[faint harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd0K82Y73Tw&ab_channel=Netflix can recommend even if its in a fucked up language

[royal lantern]

im busy playing other stuff until df is out man

[spice spire]

[ocean rune]

Is EoB a good choice for sin M+? Or is Duskwalker the way to go

[gusty mirage]

essence of bloodfang?

[ocean rune]

yessir

[spice spire]

God bless

Hell no

[gusty mirage]

because idk if that's a good choice in anything my friend

[ocean rune]

that bad huh

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s uh

[gusty mirage]

unfortunately, seems like it could've been cool 😦

[spice spire]

Bad

[balmy condor]

bloodfang is a great choice for players who are interested in playing sin on hard mode

because you might as well not equip a legendary

[ocean rune]

Lmao, fair play

Master assassin decent with Indescriminate Carnage then by chance?

[balmy condor]

nop

[ocean rune]

damn

[balmy condor]

if you want to juice a carnage play deathly

just a superior legendary

[ocean rune]

Do we even have a go to M+ leggo atm

[balmy condor]

yes!

duskwalker

[ocean rune]

shit

[balmy condor]

it's less than 3 weeks until expansion launch

just don't bother

[ocean rune]

Just trying out sin M+ tbh, last time I enjoyed it was 8.3, but with the changes we have now it seems interesting again

[royal lantern]

not much changes for m+ overall tbh

like, gameplay wise

we get IC if you skill it, and you have bone spike

the rest is the same old "fok into dots"

[chrome peak]

Guys, anyone got a nice build for a Necrolord Assassin? ST, Cleave, Raid, idc, just something.

[balmy condor]

no

because necrolord assassin sucks real fucking bad

and it's bugged

so you have to spec into bone spike

so you can't take kingsbane

and then duskwalker lowkey sucks

because you're not stacking cooldowns on it

its just giga awful

[chrome peak]

oh...

That makes me sad.

[shut spade]

sin rogue is so good rn in m+!

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

its okay on beta

live...... not so much

[candid geyser]

This guy hasn't played outlaw

[uncut echo]

What should I do on WoW rn

[main blaze]

Load up wow, log into your rogue. Check your gear and who is on in your guild. Hit esc and click exit game. Go load up a different game for the next 3 weeks.

[uncut echo]

But mining in osrs is getting old

[royal lantern]

find another game

[oak sky]

motherlode mine

[shut spade]

go powermine copper

[chrome peak]

Level alts since 68% XP (excluding Darkmoon hats) is nice, burn out from running timewalking all day

[oak pulsar]

There is cool prepatch stuff starting on tuesday

[carmine dawn]

i cant believe i bought ryg dagger for the tmog now i dont have a 2nd sylv dagger to upgrade

[oak sky]

i bought ryg dagger for the tmog

cant upgrade it now

🙂

[carmine dawn]

yeah i guess ill just upgrade this one

w.e

just realized tmog sucks btw

[oak pulsar]

I got lucky in season 4 and finally got ryg dagger in vault

[timid cloud]

I gave up Hungering Cold for Rygelon Dagger

[cold spear]

super non rogue question but the healer class discords are dead

How do i show my friends hunter pet as a raid frame

[royal lantern]

you can activate pet frames in the standart ui i think?

but why would you want that

[cold spear]

im prob playing healer next expac for my 3's team

so i need to see his pet and heal it

[kind talon]

The ryg dagger or?

Cause yeah that dagger looks absolutely terrible

[oak sky]

the mythic one is cool

👍

[carmine dawn]

ye

the stars

its a reskin bro im playing classic and just saw someone with a cooler star dagger

[kind talon]

It’s literally worse than ulduar dagger iirc

[carmine dawn]

fuckin end me

[kind talon]

Lol

[kind talon]

Yeeee

[carmine dawn]

i mean not yet but like

i showed my buddy whos used to be an assa player and hes like "wait isnt that the ulduar dagger?"

[kind talon]

@carmine dawn

This shit is sick

Sorry for bad crop

[carmine dawn]

yeah im big mad

(pretty upset)

[spice spire]

Unreal

[dusk summit]

Can we run amp poison and kingsbane or is the kinda dumb?

[blazing totem]

kingsbane scales with any lethal

and amp is better than deadly

so yes you can run it

[ruby oyster]

referring to pinned post "If you drop exsang (...), do so for tiny toxic, or improved poison" does the same apply for ST builds? if i dont want to play exsang?

[hollow river]

iirc dropping exsang for the next best thing is like a 3% loss

in ST

that might've been dslice. i can't remember exactly

but i think you go improved poisons if you want to drop exsang, based on the ST pin

[ruby oyster]

thats less than i was expecting, nice

[hollow river]

it amounts to a lot tbh

when we're talking about doing 70k dps

but ye it's not horrid

[ruby oyster]

sure but i would rather do 3% less than 10% less if i dont want to hate the game because of exsang

[thin gate]

tbh go for alts collect mounts xmog we nothing else to do currently

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

whispyr said 6% in st

[hollow river]

OOF

so 3% was the dslice ye

[tacit oar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)

[thorn crater]

i thought u said fuck whispyr and you know better

i got receipts

this.

[shy acorn]

I was looking at some old comments and saw openers with gar, snd , gar, why you would cast a 2nd gar?

Is it because of shrouded?

[thorn crater]

@balmy condor he might be on to something, if we are using vanish garrote pre DM why not just ambush after the SND? it should still go to max right?

[balmy condor]

yeah sure

[thorn crater]

so basically, it doenst matter 😛

[balmy condor]

you would ambush first

then snd gar

but yeah

who cares

1 gcd gained

pog

[oak sky]

pog

[subtle tundra]

😠

youre supposed to know and care

[balmy condor]

yeah but lowkey

idc

xd

ambush 1 gcd in opener

[subtle tundra]

is CT affecting you?

[balmy condor]

isn't going to change shit

[thorn crater]

inb4 the person asked cause he didnt know why you would use it back to back and i went on a sweaty minmax loop

[balmy condor]

yeah it's fine

its just opener optimizations like that usually are pretty much irrelevant

[shy acorn]

That is the reason I asked but I get it now 😂

[thorn crater]

u know about the pandemic shit right? if u refresh at 30% of its duration it gets added to the next timer

thats essentially the reason and we did do that cause it was the easiest way to have the maxed out garrote

but now that we might have to vanish early we could skip one

[shy acorn]

Ahh right I knew about pandemic but didn’t realise it came off up so soon after snd, thanks for the clarification 👍

[marble hemlock]

Changing/swapping one or two gcds at the beginning of a 5-6 minute fight isn't gonna affect your DPS in any meaningful way.

[potent topaz]

pretty lost with the boss opener for the beta m+ build

Gar -> SnD -> Gar -> Mut -> Rup -> ER -> Rup -> Exsang -> DM -> Shiv -> KB -> Env

where should the Van/Amb be put? really before DM?

[subtle tundra]

Idk I just vanish mid dm if they are lined up when the exsangd gar expires, probably not the most optimal but it almost never happens to have them lined up

Such is m+

[potent topaz]

thought so too. feels weird in my opener above to Van/Amb/Gar before DM.

[subtle tundra]

Well apparently that's the most optimal usagr

[potent topaz]

k, switch back into beta and test it a bit further

[onyx wind]

im assuming u want ur vanish to line up with ur next dm

and if u hold vanish until u use DM, it wont

[white temple]

Just out of curiosity, what's ER?

[sturdy merlin]

[oak sky]

In case you dont know what that emoji is, its the kyrian covenant ability from shadowlands

[thorn crater]

bruh its hopeless to try to test shit in prepatch

u're missing so much

u can barely practice the opener since u kinda need the kyrian to guarantee the full point rupture

[white temple]

Using that in assa is a pain in the ass, no?

Or you just use for 1 7cp rup and that's it?

[dense herald]

Do you even use the anima charged cb for ruptures? Wouldn’t they be better spent on envenoms?

[thorn crater]

is amp worth it to use in prepatch?

[white temple]

I think in opener you use for rup

[thorn crater]

prolly not right

DP should be better without dtb

[hollow river]

exsang on a 7cp rupture=mmmm

[hollow river]

i think the plan for DF is to use both ER talents, so you get multiple charged combo points

[hollow river]

i believe Amp is actually our best poison now in ST... not 100% sure tho

check the pins

"Poisons should always be Amplifying if talented > Deadly > Instant. All Poisons do the same instant damage (except wound which does half as much, and should not be considered in PvE)."

[thorn crater]

asking about prepatch though not DF

[hollow river]

i don't see why it'd be different?

just depends on if talenting Amp makes you lose out on something that's obviously better

atm it kind of competes with 1 point in lethal dose or 1 point in improved poisons-below the 20pt line at least. so it's probably not worth

[frail prism]

How strong is Lethal Dose? Trying out some hybrid ST/AoE build for Tyranical week, worth moving those two Lethal Dose points into Thrown Precision & Crimson Tempest for a more AoE oriented Kingsbane build?

[next edge]

It's actually the easiest

Compared with outlaw / sub

[marble hemlock]

lethal dose is one of the strongest talents we have

[frail prism]

Yeah I figured, seems too good...

[marble hemlock]

youll likely play the same build in fortiifed and tyrannical

youre not missing much compared to the full st b uild

[royal lantern]

ye dunno, people always say its hard as assa cus of SF

[marble hemlock]

you lose pb+amp poison to gain scent+IC

[royal lantern]

but like, outlaw has that aswell with procs and stuff

[next edge]

Specially with DB

[royal lantern]

ER is just shity in general

[frail prism]

Do we go full ST on Tyranical and full aoe on fort? Or always full aoe

[next edge]

I actually think ER is a super good design

[marble hemlock]

neither

but people overestimate how big of a difference it makes

[royal lantern]

if you go full ST in tyranical, you should maybe re-think what you do in dungeons tbh

[next edge]

Depending on key level I thunk having a more oriented ST blaster can be really good

[marble hemlock]

typically, you wanted more AoE in tyrannical weeks (at least more burst aoe) because you did bigger trashpulls. even on tyrannical you still spend the majority of the dungeon on trash

[royal lantern]

^

[frail prism]

Well the two dps I play with absolutely blow up any sort of larger pack anyways, feel like I barely get anything going before they are dead

[marble hemlock]

seems counter-intuitive, but thats what ultimately happened

[royal lantern]

tyrannical doesnt mean you spend less time on trash, the majority of dungeon runs are aoe by default allready

[marble hemlock]

you gotta make up time you lose due to bosses living longer, trash hurts less, so tanks pull bigger -> dropping AoE makes you more of a liability

[frail prism]

Have onlu pushed keys up to 23-25 btw if that matters

Aight fair fair

[marble hemlock]

the suggested m+ build in the pins covers both st and aoe very well

[next edge]

I'm kinda excited for assa in m+

Will require time to get used to it

[marble hemlock]

any changes you make will not lead to a significant or even noticeable improvement in either direction

you might be able to drop like 5% singletarget dps for 5% aoe gain. but thats not gonna make a difference when you play the dungeon

[hollow river]

because of seal fate? really?

[royal lantern]

tbf, if they are burst monsters like that, assa will lose some value by default

[marble hemlock]

DPS in general is overrated. most keys you deplete arent because you didnt have enough dps, but because you wiped. theres very few cases where having 5% more dps wouldve prevented those wipes.

[frail prism]

Indiscriminate Carnage is pretty fun, a tool assa was desperate for

[marble hemlock]

wipes happen due to tanks dying, healers not keeping up with the healing demands, people not using defensives, interrupts getting missed, accidental trashpulls etc. dps doesnt affect any of those

[hollow river]

i guess i could see why because it's variance that directly impacts rotation and which globals you press and when during a fight.. but it doesn't tend to impact differences more than 1 or 2 globals here and there

[next edge]

That's super true

Or pull efficiency in some cases

[hollow river]

like i remember on sylv with frost shards and hella crit i'd be extremely tilted if my last rupture globals were off when she was gonna start flying around

[frail prism]

Yeah we joke around in my group a lot about me being in the dumpster dps wise, but we all know I'm doing a lot of the cc stuff which ultimately reduces chances for those mistakes to happen

[hollow river]

in certain cases like that, it's the difference between one more envenom instead of pushing the rupture

[next edge]

I don't mind ER but I hate it now because is an extra button to press

[hollow river]

or skipping it and pushing the rupt

[next edge]

Which is really annoying right now with such a button bloat

[royal lantern]

ye dunno

er is really like w/e, but i would prefer without

[white temple]

Tbh I think the minigame of it isn't that nice, either you feel forced to rely on luck to hit all the cps (+committing resources to hit them) or you just hit 1/2 and lose the rest because it's not worth

[onyx wind]

much rather drop SBS than ER fun wise

[royal lantern]

i mean, chances are high that you just download a weakaura that screams USE A FINISHER NOW!!! YOU HIT A CHARGED CP anyway

and the entire "minigame" is gone

[white temple]

Well, 45s to hit a cp

Yeah, you got a point. It's w/e

But I'm skipping it anyways, have no more room for binds

[lucid nexus]

what "w/e" means plz?

[blazing totem]

w/e = whatever

[lucid nexus]

ty

[spice spire]

GM gamers have a blessed day

[viscid spear]

[subtle kiln]

[kindred oriole]

You got that wrong, I think w/e is for "water elemental".

[spice spire]

True

[subtle kiln]

wake-up/eat

[kindred oriole]

Yeah I just checked over the mage's discord, it's definitely water-elemental.

[night delta]

Are there insights on what secondary stats will be prefered for assa in dragonflight or is it too early to tell ?

[spice spire]

Crit mast iirc

[night delta]

haste far behind or healthy to have still ?

i'm guessing vers trash

[spice spire]

I’m assuming we’re still in the “all stats are relatively good, but you’re going to want to index in these two more”
But don’t hold me on that one

[night delta]

okay then i'll ask again when the dust settles, thanks

[spice spire]

[thorn crater]

ok so i tried the opener on live, if u dont have ER u are basically starved during opener before you apply rupture and then u have to wait to do anything

do u rup with low CPs and then reapply rup before vanish gar?

[near valley]

I was ready to move to Assassination from Outlaw till I heard we play ER

Sadge

[thorn crater]

i mean its different for sin than it is for outlaw right

ure not so spammy so u got more time to think what u use it on

[iron orchid]

I do that on prepatch, dunno if correct

something similar at least

[near valley]

Fair enough, just that button gives me ptsd

[thorn crater]

no i hate it too

i only used it on literally 2 dummy testing with sin

it actually feels good

if u remember to press it 😛

cause, it gives options

and if u dont need it for early ruptures

[royal lantern]

wa that tells you you hit a charged cp

[thorn crater]

then thats fine its a free max envenom

[royal lantern]

and you dont forget

[thorn crater]

no i mean if u dont forget to actaully use ER

i forget to press it

[royal lantern]

oh

well

[thorn crater]

cause i never had it

remember i havent played sl

[royal lantern]

i mean

rogues in general never really played er

outlaw could use it for a tier

[thorn crater]

muscle memory on opener does not have a fuckin ER in it

[royal lantern]

but it was flag most of the time tbh

[thorn crater]

and now u have to have buttons for 2 covenant abilities not one\

like...

[celest ruin]

dont forget thistle tea

[thorn crater]

i mean ill just put tea on T

used to have vendetta there

[spice spire]

Sub played it, and outlaw had a very viable build with it

[thorn crater]

but i cna use shift T for DM

[spice spire]

Was wonky for us because of seal fate

[thorn crater]

which we still have btw :p

[spice spire]

Yeah

And it’s awkward to try to hit

Better to not play the mini game

[thorn crater]

ngl it only feels useful to bother with it in the opener

if u dont get a crit

[spice spire]

I mean

If you happen to natty

But don’t force a garrote to hit it kinda deal

[royal lantern]

wait, is that really a thing

[thorn crater]

the issue with doing ambush SND garrote

is that ambush costs a lot

[royal lantern]

i stopped giving a fuck about rotation changes rn cus they change daily

[spice spire]

It was in SL, I’m assuming it will be this time too

[thorn crater]

and that energy matters in the opener

[spice spire]

[thorn crater]

so i dont see us fitting an ambush there

[spice spire]

Bad news on optimization buddy

[royal lantern]

i mean, should i start making a minmax prepatch rotation that changes every 2 days?

[spice spire]

No man

[thorn crater]

nah i just havent played sin in 2 years

so i need to get back the memory of everything

with adding exsa in it

[spice spire]

Yeah, getting the general flow is a yes man

[thorn crater]

so,

u basically rup vanish garrot exsa DM correct?

[spice spire]

I’d think so, I’m not 100% sure what the optimized bit will look like. That looks fine for now though

[thorn crater]

just exsa before DM

and fit the shiv somewhere

[royal lantern]

waiting for df release, whisp is using robot magic and gives us an opener, i hit the dummy for 1hour and its muscle memory

[thorn crater]

like i said, im tryign ot get it back it feels so awkward to me right now :p

[night iris]

That but remove Exsang

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha

delete exsang

[thorn crater]

though i did hit 90k in the opener

[royal lantern]

rework exsang

[thorn crater]

ngl

with 280 gear

[celest ruin]

whats the patchwerk boss named?

[thorn crater]

but then it drops

[spice spire]

No man

[empty hinge]

Ok hear me out

[spice spire]

For this tier?

[night iris]

I have never used ER before

[empty hinge]

Make exsang do aoe

[celest ruin]

no for the vault of dragons or w/e its called

[night iris]

And I literally don't understand what I am seeing when I see others use it

[night delta]

Terros*

[empty hinge]

Like when you press it all of the bleeds starts ticking faster

[night delta]

the big earth elemental guy

maybe dathea is one too idk

[spice spire]

Terros

[night delta]

nvm dathea has adds, only terros*

[royal lantern]

all bosses are pathwerk bosses

aoe is padding

🙏

belive

[spice spire]

amen, ethical damage only!!!

[subtle kiln]

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

we need to kill the boss to finish the fight

not the adds

[celest ruin]

thats true everyone should ignore adds and let healers pad

win win for everyone

[spice spire]

Amen

[royal lantern]

its called "copium overdose" to make having 0 aoe sounds usefull

[night delta]

Tbf, there are some situations where we're legit better off just tunelling boss while other people (whose job it is) deal with adds

like, do I really have to aoe if we have 2 ww and a destro nuke adds in 10 seconds ?

[subtle kiln]

I though assa aoe was the second coming of jesus christ playing outlaw with wits

[royal lantern]

my raidteam has 2 ww monks, 2fire mages and 2hunters

[subtle kiln]

was I misinformed?

[royal lantern]

i really think i can go tunnel st assa with that team lol

[night delta]

fire mage ain't worth a lot in aoe until they reserve their combust specifically for it

damn flame patch

[spice spire]

When there’s adds that get dropped immediately, it sucks.
You have next to no instant damage, only bleeds, so you end up wasting globals on bleeds that die 5s in

[night delta]

feel like a fire mage sitting on combusts just to pop it off on adds will be very frustrated

[spice spire]

It’s fun, but you compare it to another class like monk or lock or even outlaw and realize profiles definitely matter in some cases

[royal lantern]

"some" cases

you could just say "they do better aoe, dot aoe is really bad 99,99999%of the time"

[granite widget]

this is just not true

it was true before

[next edge]

I told RL that if I go assa I will tunnel boss

[spice spire]

It’s good for downtime

[next edge]

We have 2 balance 1 WW 2 locks 2 mages

And I will do shit if I go adds

Only reason I would do adds is if the boss goes inmune

[next edge]

Ignite spread is absolutely bonkers

[night delta]

They can build a strong enough ignite to pop off in AoE without use of combust ?

[uncut echo]

Combust has like, a 30 second cooldown

[night delta]

that short, really ? seems like an awful lot of crits to get in 30 seconds

90 to be exact

[uncut echo]

45

[spice spire]

If the pull is big enough

[uncut echo]

It cools down by itself too

Also, shifting power

Which they do take

[night delta]

? 2 min CD into a 30 sec CD means 90 sec of CDR happen

[uncut echo]

45 crits

[spice spire]

Mages added back to the shot list

[night delta]

?

[uncut echo]

During lust, I got a 22 second combustion cooldown with 41% haste, no faeries

[night delta]

Am i out of the loop ?

[granite widget]

basically

if they can uh

pop off on a main target/boss

they can ignite spread anytime during bust

and they can still do minibusts

[uncut echo]

Your gcd is a lot less than 1 second with haste, and pi

You are going odf

And you are a prime pi target

I.e. 30 second bust

[night delta]

I mean i'm not questionning any of that now, I get it

but I don't get how 90 cdr is 45 crits

[uncut echo]

Disregard that

The spell itself is cooling down in conjunction with kindling

I meant to get the point across that on average, the spell cools down 2.5-3 seconds for every real 1 second that passes

Due to kindling, even more if you take shifting power

[spice spire]

[night iris]

Most specs have that nowadays

[uncut echo]

Also even more effective cdr now that you no longet hit flame strike

And pyroblast works on kindling

[night iris]

With bloodlust Frost mage still has their Icy veins when the next one is up

[uncut echo]

Yuuuuup

[night iris]

But most classes have had like a legendary or setbonus that gave cdr for their main cd

[spice spire]

Maybe all ranged players are public enemy number one

[night iris]

And added to the spec talent tree

[night delta]

Well recently they didn't even need BL to maintain

[uncut echo]

Delete ranged

[spice spire]

Yes man

[night iris]

Ranged vs melee fights again?

[uncut echo]

I just make my ranged do mechanics

[spice spire]

The grustle never stops

[uncut echo]

While melee freelos all over boss

[spice spire]

Me too

[uncut echo]

I'm not biased

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Painsmith I made all ranged swap

[spice spire]

Silence mage main

[uncut echo]

I mean when you think about it, they can do dps from not being on boss, even if they've gotta "move"

[viscid spear]

I just Blinked through the balls and tunneled boss

[spice spire]

Benched

Get real

[night iris]

Isn't that many fights?

[spice spire]

It is not

[uncut echo]

I'd have benched tf out of you

Toxic mage

[viscid spear]

Naw, I threw my orb at them and IL'd the right one

[night iris]

~~Mage main ~~

[spice spire]

Ash is a good bean

[uncut echo]

Based

[royal lantern]

and by ranged you mean 1 mage or 1 hunter, all other ranged do afk dps and then jerk themself off how ranged always has to do mechanics

[viscid spear]

You know the points on the outer edges of Soulrender's room? I would walk out there and Swapblast someone

[spice spire]

But also lowkey, the trick is to recruit rogues and turn them into the roles you want them to play (I’m kidding btw play what you want ash, I am glad you’re a mage tho )

[royal lantern]

in my experience, raidleaders have no idea about rogue, so you can just do w/e you want

[spice spire]

This is true

[royal lantern]

like, it always is

[spice spire]

I’m a self reporter tho

[royal lantern]

mage do that, warrior do that, rogue knows what he is doing

[spice spire]

“I can cloak this mech”

[royal lantern]

until you cant

[viscid spear]

Pretty much no one in my Alli guild knew how to play Rogue so I was able to bullshit my way out of responsibility

[royal lantern]

even thought its magic dmg

i mean, i bullshit my way into responsibility

[spice spire]

Same

[night delta]

Xy'mox lasers 😡

[viscid spear]

Then I joined a guild with Quake and have to actually be relevant

[royal lantern]

cba waiting 200pulls until the mage actually uses iceblock

[dense cedar]

its pretty funny when cloaking something causes the mechanic to treat it as no one soaking it

[royal lantern]

BUT I HAVE CUMBOST UP DURING THAT MECHANIC, I CANT DO IT!!!!!!

[spice spire]

Funny isn’t the word I’d use

[night delta]

well, it's funny once

[spice spire]

True

[viscid spear]

You're hiding from the mechanic

Like Harry Potter and his cloak

[dense cedar]

im just purple tho

[viscid spear]

Then the boss avada kedavra's the raid

[night delta]

I pretend to soak meteors but then if it looks we're too few I bail and cloak

ya won't kill me with your participation machanic bullshit

[royal lantern]

you know when you try to solo the postmaster soak in streets with evasion

and you run out

[night delta]

go soak or go home

[royal lantern]

and 2 people follow

so you run further out

[night iris]

Why need to iceblock

[royal lantern]

and they follow

[night iris]

When you can just use cheat death

[royal lantern]

then you use evasion and they die

🙂

[dense cedar]

excited for HoV fixate with evasion at least

Normal moment

[viscid spear]

[royal lantern]

i mean, you can solo it with evasion

but people dont know that and just follow you

justpugthings

[viscid spear]

Oh man, I have to soak again but IB is on cd?

[dense cedar]

tbh i just wanna see the wolves oneshot casters again

good ol days

[viscid spear]

[viscid spear]

Docks wolves?

[weak plover]

Solo that mechanic is a huge dps loss 😛

[dense cedar]

the Fenryr ones

[viscid spear]

Oh yeah

[royal lantern]

fenryr targets the mage jumping in his rune of power

[dense cedar]

its really good when the leaps are synced too

[royal lantern]

JUST PAIN SUPRESS ME

WTF

CANT USE IB ITS A DPS LOST

[viscid spear]

Can't wait to hear Skovald, "GIB ME DA AYY JIZZ, OH DEN"

[royal lantern]

NUUUUUUUUUU

ME TOO HAV PRUVEN ME WURTH ODEEEEEN

[dense cedar]

Hyrja AoEs

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[dense cedar]

having to use my brain is bad design blizz smh

[viscid spear]

ALL I DID WUZ FOLLOW DESE PUNY PPL HERE, I EVEN DRESSED MYSELF DIS MORNIN

[night iris]

Brain?

[viscid spear]

meanwhile Odyn

[night iris]

Why does a weakaura not do this mechanic for me

[royal lantern]

we always heared ANUS

[viscid spear]

He's terrible with 's' sounds, boy can't even say his name right

[sullen hollow]

is this the ASS build for prepatch or wut

[outer cairn]

yeah that's the starter build

[dense cedar]

no kb smh

[sullen hollow]

is kb better or what

i dont see kb doing good on loggies

[sturdy merlin]

Kb is numerically better

[outer cairn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bKJmELoGYPg5JHYj2XHjwF

[dense cedar]

simply enjoyable gameplay

[sturdy merlin]

but this build is ez to play

[outer cairn]

1849 difference between using KB and not

so i mean, yeah I'd say kb is better

but its prepatch

[dense cedar]

ye like literally doesn't matter

2 weeks left

[outer cairn]

and then

[sullen hollow]

xd

[dense cedar]

we talk about exsang but that class tree is quite grim tbh

[outer cairn]

honestly my biggest concern is how do I platinum Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarok in 2 weeks

lol

[dense cedar]

not that there's much choice in it

the entire selection of capstone choices are ass

[outer cairn]

Idk. I like how Sin feels, especially with KB. Takes me back to Legion

I'm enjoying playing the spec vs playing what does the most dmg

[dense cedar]

just don't really care for thistle tea or er

[outer cairn]

I don't have them currently, but also will see how things shift once DF releases and tuning and such

[dense cedar]

can't tune them to be fun for me

just don't like em unfortunately

[subtle kiln]

tea is fine. ER and sepsis should have been deleted from all specs.

[dense cedar]

Tea is just really boring

[subtle kiln]

when you have 11 cds, one about to be a snoozer

could be a complete passive.

[outer cairn]

won't lie, having DM every min is nice, will suck when it goes back to 2

[oblique tangle]

Oh man I thought you meant the spec tree for a second and I was like !?!?!?

[dense cedar]

nah IC and KB rule for assass

[oblique tangle]

Yeah class capstone felt disappointing except for SD for sub

But it feels like SD should have just been in the sub tree instead??

[dense cedar]

well i mean the sub it just feels like a forced route for them

tbh only outlaw feels like it gets a real pick n choose for class talents

[oblique tangle]

Thistle tea is obviously a no-brainer but I just sort of wish we had something more cool

[uncut echo]

Class tree shouldve been 100% utility and rogue shit

All dam shouldve come from spec

The fact that sub has to book it to shadow dance sucks turboass

[rigid tartan]

is assa with duskwalker fixed now viable compared to outlaw on prepatch?

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

It’s still not the same damage, but it’s better than it was

[uncut echo]

I'm not wrong Quaker

[copper hazel]

its about 0.34% better

[spice spire]

Sucking turboass is a new one

[uncut echo]

T u r b o a s s

[spice spire]

The cursed crit tech

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

Me in this channel

[dense cedar]

the one thing i find super silly about the sin tree is just

the first point you invest

can be made irrelevant by getting AP

[uncut echo]

Based

Dtb tho

[dense cedar]

the point value would make no sense but it still feels dumb that u get ap first

[spice spire]

Sure, but at the same time. Trees ended up changing a lot along with some tuning

So it wasn’t originally designed to be nullified by one point

But we’re in crunch time

[dense cedar]

fair enough

[copper hazel]

the next proper tree changes will probably be 10.1

[spice spire]

And I assume they’re more focused on the end game than the leveling aspect.

Super fair point tho

It is a feels bad

[copper hazel]

and even then, it wont be much i would imagine

yeh theres no way levelling was taken into consideration much with the trees

[subtle tundra]

i mean, even if you have amp talented you can play deadly

[dense cedar]

well you wouldn't do that though

except i guess

quick swapping around in a dungeon

[subtle tundra]

yes i dont see the problem with that

[dense cedar]

still seems silly all the same

[copper hazel]

its just adapting to the situation in front of you

and takes mere seconds

it just kinda interrupts that mental state people go into in m+

[dense cedar]

probably isn't very efficient either

[uncut echo]

Rogue was the first released class tree, and didn't get a fundamental overhaul

[dense cedar]

that's a lot of stopping ur damage

[uncut echo]

We'll see some realignments in a .0.5 or a .1 patch

[copper hazel]

i mean, youre not doing this mid packs, this is inbetween

[dense cedar]

they should actually

add an instant swap trait

that's some cursed gameplay

[uncut echo]

It's not even that cursed

[copper hazel]

lets be real, how many times are we legitimately going to be switching

[uncut echo]

Just don't play amp if that's your concern

[dense cedar]

i just think the tree design is dumb

amp itself is neat

[subtle kiln]

me:

[royal lantern]

me:

[spice spire]

If you want something truly truly cursed just let @subtle tundra show you a build or two

[royal lantern]

sees the channel->remind myself that i have to play exsang->day ruined

[spice spire]

Then you’ll realize, there are unspoken horrors of this world

[dense cedar]

guess the simple change they'd make is just make deadly spec baseline and switch VM to be the first unlock

[subtle tundra]

Fart

[spice spire]

That are better left silent

[royal lantern]

cum

[subtle kiln]

so…. you:

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Sub channel emote check

[subtle kiln]

[royal lantern]

@subtle kiln sub can never be good

or the universe will collapse

[subtle kiln]

rename channel to “Future Evokers & Fuu”

[royal lantern]

why do people always act as if evoker is gonna be some giga broken class

when historically new classes dont tend to be that

[gusty mirage]

Because they haven’t played beta

[subtle kiln]

doesn’t have to be broken and the bar to beat sub isn’t high

[gusty mirage]

And seen how dogshit evoker actually is

[royal lantern]

the only time that was the case was with DK during Wotlk, and balance was not a word back then lol

[dire lake]

Release dk and dh want to have a word with you...

[royal lantern]

dh during legion was mediocre af lmao

[spice spire]

Tom Brady pumped

[royal lantern]

what are you talking lol

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the people referring to DK don’t remember that pally was a million times more busted than DK was

[spice spire]

He was backed by ftx at the time tho

[gusty mirage]

And DK wasn’t even that broken until later on in wrath

[royal lantern]

every time people say BUT DH, i dont know what they mean cus DH was more or less a bench class during legion

[subtle kiln]

@spice spire i’m not responsible for this.

[gusty mirage]

It was just DK was unkillable in pvp

So everyone remembers just that

[subtle kiln]

blood dps

[uncut echo]

Dh fucked last patch of legion

[gusty mirage]

Meanwhile Ret pally was walking around globaling people in a way that would make SL Ret pally blush

[royal lantern]

we had: DK beeing broken af in a time where balance was not a thing

Monk that was good, but not even near of the insanity that was MoP warrior and warlock

and DH that was mediocre trought out legion and had nothing you wanted them for

[uncut echo]

Eye beam went brrr last patch of legion

[spice spire]

Dh did have last patch

Also wasn’t vengeance like omegabusted

I didn’t play legion XD

[uncut echo]

I was doing 32 keys as veng

Yea

[gusty mirage]

Alright sick, evoker bis in 10.3

You heard it here first

[uncut echo]

Oxivoker

[spice spire]

10.4*

[uncut echo]

10.8 wym df for lyfe

[spice spire]

We’re getting the back to back recap xpac patches

[gusty mirage]

If you think there’s going to be x.4 you smoking crack

[spice spire]

That’s dn for life homie

[subtle kiln]

maybe every 4th new class is broken.

[spice spire]

I’m not, but it’s an unreal time rn

[subtle kiln]

[gusty mirage]

Nah that’s reserved for warlock and mage

[spice spire]

Based ranged hater

God bless

[gusty mirage]

When’s the last time there was a patch where mage had rogue treatment?

[uncut echo]

Mage isnt broken to the extent lock is

Lock is fucking cursed

[dense cedar]

hate mage cos im jealous tbh

[uncut echo]

Just go mage

[gusty mirage]

I hate mage because every mage main is an insufferable dickhead

[uncut echo]

Class is good

[dense cedar]

boring to play

[royal lantern]

evoker in general is a walking meme with what blizzard wants from them, and what they actually are

we give them low range, but mobility!!!(mage has way more mobility, evoker needs to stand still and channel allot)

we give them a new mechanic that also dictates your healing!(the mechanic makes them disc priest levels of bad for catchup healing+having 33%less coverage means they cant heal a spread out raid)

[uncut echo]

Then why jealous

[royal lantern]

great new class btw

[spice spire]

I’m a mage main now

[gusty mirage]

Good

[uncut echo]

Quake wanna port pugs to ancient dalaran w/me

[spice spire]

Gonna snap a barrier rq

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

Seen you play mage, 10/10 I’ll call max and let him know they have a replacement for ksp

[spice spire]

Ur just like ash

[spice spire]

God bless

[uncut echo]

🥰

My mage has the name Nokstella

[royal lantern]

99%of "mage" mains are just fire 1tricks, and everytime there is a CHANCE they need to play a mage spec that isnt fire, they cry until fire is the #1 spec again

[subtle kiln]

when’s the last time rogue had a large raiding player base?

[uncut echo]

SOON I WILL HAVE THE ETERNAL TITLE

[spice spire]

Quakenboots is me

And she is special

[gusty mirage]

Never lmao

[dire lake]

Tomb of Soakgeras

kekw

[uncut echo]

LOL

Faz

Fax

[dense cedar]

they kinda just get everything baked in

[subtle kiln]

samezies for your question.

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

That's legit just not true, outside of this iteration of fire being turboass design wise

[royal lantern]

does 8.2 FotM m+ outlaws that wanted the Raid axe count?

[subtle kiln]

no

m+ and pvp only for rogue

[gusty mirage]

I remember getting it and getting spammed for it

And I held it close

And laughed at the pirate rogues in pain

And then never used it

[subtle kiln]

should have DE’d it

[dense cedar]

talking bout their utility

[gusty mirage]

[royal lantern]

based