assassination

[thorn crater]

it prolly will be

just took exsa and shrouded to avoid it being that low otherwies i would put those 2 points in Venomous 😛

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

He’s a hater

Respect

[thorn crater]

im too old for frog emotes

[thorn crater]

was fine with the yellow ball

oh shit

lil 2,5k 😛

[balmy condor]

yeah turns out ttk and fc are giga doggers

[gusty mirage]

how about this one

[thorn crater]

wtf is that?

a fish?

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

okay okay

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I'll see your hate for the frog emote

and one up it

[thorn crater]

?!

uhm

[spice spire]

Oxi you need sleep more than I do

[thorn crater]

what is that supposed to be?

[vernal adder]

[thorn crater]

asian frog?

[spice spire]

No, read the name

[gusty mirage]

I'LL SLEEP WHEN I DIE WHICH IS HOPEFULLY SOON (IN GAME DONT BAN ME TWITCH PLS)

[spice spire]

Megan moment

Unreal

[thorn crater]

oh a random thing u made with numbers as a name

[spice spire]

952587837558128701

[gusty mirage]

I could never create such a glorious emote

[spice spire]

🙂

[vernal adder]

[balmy condor]

okay but consider the following

[gusty mirage]

LOL

[thorn crater]

bunch of zoomers

sigh

[vernal adder]

[balmy condor]

I know, the darn kids blasting their new fangled techno music staring at raidbots

[gusty mirage]

[thorn crater]

what does fangled mean mister explain everything?

[spice spire]

Oxi ramlu and I aren’t zoomers tho

[thorn crater]

then you're following whispyr down the path to insanity

[balmy condor]

means something newly fashioned

[spice spire]

Buddy I live the insanity

[candid geyser]

Father how much do I lose when I skip exsang for m+

[balmy condor]

you don't time the key

[spice spire]

Not enough to matter

Duality of man moment

[thorn crater]

uhm

wtf

could not see 2 more opposite responses

[balmy condor]

if you don't talent exsang in m+ it won't actually let you slot the key in

[vernal adder]

https://i.redd.it/bhycrkb8lyy91.gif

[candid geyser]

If I combine Orange and Green responses... Sin = / = Time key.

[spice spire]

Nonstop banger responses

God bless

[candid geyser]

I really do like iron wire

shame it's behind

[balmy condor]

blizzard added a little thing to the end of their must-read player conduct popup when you log in saying "any assassination rogue found not talenting exsanguinate will be shot"

[thorn crater]

the problem is TB was on the same talent row as exsa so it had the same keybind for most people i assume

[balmy condor]

and you can't decline

[thorn crater]

now we are stuck with finding a comfortable bin dfor it

[balmy condor]

shiv and exsang have co-existed for a whole expansion bud that's on you

[thorn crater]

exactly, i wasnt around

[candid geyser]

I have binds for it - I just don't like it

Father isn't supporting me

Just mandating usage

[balmy condor]

based

[oak sky]

MA

[balmy condor]

very good expansion to skip

[oak pulsar]

Hey whispyr, when you do those guides and stuff you mentioned before will it include more specific information to like, 2 target cleave,3 target, and such and just explaine when the value of certain talents switches?

[balmy condor]

that's the idea

[oak pulsar]

Ok cool

[balmy condor]

might not be template-appropriate in wowhead

but I'll try to at minimum get something for the FaQ

I'm definitely gonna try to sneak it into the wowhead one though

method might not be paying me enough to care that much

but we'll see

[oak pulsar]

No ya I figured it might not be in certain guides but something you would make availible somewhere

[balmy condor]

method guide writing is actually a huge headache

[thorn crater]

his twitch subs get it early

u wanna go and sub to him

[balmy condor]

I don't edit the page, I edit a google doc

and just kinda, write

and that's it

I just keep writing

[thorn crater]

he streams games for 12 year olds listening to music for 40 yr old losers

[balmy condor]

and then they copy paste into the webpage

[balmy condor]

yes man

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[balmy condor]

bipolar stream

[thorn crater]

that permanent noise you call music behind maplestory is so... i dont have the word for it

but it makes sense just for you

kinda like your hair

[balmy condor]

you never know what to expect, maybe I go on a 15 minute rant about outlaw, maybe I find 3% in dslice, maybe I just sim for 5 hours and find nothing

it's always an experience

[earnest remnant]

the gift that keeps on gifting

[balmy condor]

and the entire time you got edm blasting

[spice spire]

Glass houses

[balmy condor]

GLASS HOUSES ARENT REAL ITS CALLED A GREENHOUSE

the saying is dumb

[earnest remnant]

but why

its not even green man

cba

[thorn crater]

@balmy condor you got to listen to a banger mashup today though

[balmy condor]

they are green actually

[balmy condor]

big true

[earnest remnant]

mine is not

pretty transparent ngl

and white columns

[balmy condor]

I ended stream

and got a notification that my stream contained copyrighted music and the vod was taken down

like 5 min after

was sick

[earnest remnant]

we need more 15min outlaw rants tbh

[spice spire]

True

[hollow river]

[earnest remnant]

that raid testing mald session over outlaw was 10/10

[balmy condor]

so now I'm just gonna mute that part

[thorn crater]

NO SHOT

ure lying

[balmy condor]

and then upload it

[thorn crater]

it was literally 7 seconds

10 at most

[earnest remnant]

all of my twitch vods gets yeeted due to copyrighted music

[thorn crater]

btw

[surreal nova]

every podcast is an outlaw mald session. cant wait for the next

[thorn crater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fegs-XVKgnM this was the copyrighted music

[thorn crater]

it says multiple. u did something

wasnt all me

[balmy condor]

my playlist probably had one

I mean this is pretty common

they take down vod

[earnest remnant]

had that same one, so all of my vods are hidden until i publish them

[balmy condor]

I say okay sorry

and then I have to upload

the question is

is the part of the vod muted

where I played the maship

[vernal adder]

could do some audio split

[thorn crater]

that would unchain his music tastes

id rather not

need to be able to watch.

[balmy condor]

the mashup survived

pog

[spice spire]

[thorn crater]

so it wasnt me

phew

[misty holly]

How bad would it be to macro Thistle Tea with Shiv?

I really don't want another keybind

[balmy condor]

would be pretty bad just on opener

[thorn crater]

blind needs to stay on a comfortable key for pvp same with gouge. i hate my life

i dont know how im gonna bind all that shit

[earnest remnant]

okay so the pinned build with kingsbane i think is more fun to play, but damn is the DTB build comfy and relaxing

[dense herald]

Whisp you must not throw stones from greenhouses

[balmy condor]

I don't

it's okay

[thorn crater]

see

desti is a normal person

no frogs or fishes

prolly 30+

[balmy condor]

cringe!

[earnest remnant]

frogs and fishes?

[thorn crater]

@balmy condor show him

[balmy condor]

[thorn crater]

where the hoodie fish

[balmy condor]

this?

[earnest remnant]

lmfao

[balmy condor]

mike is so powerful

[hollow river]

[surreal nova]

theres also dogs

[thorn crater]

see what i mean

[surreal nova]

its a new age. down with letters, pictures are back in business

[balmy condor]

I have a new idea

super hip

maybe @gusty mirage can help

"mike kachow-ski" and it's a green version of lightning mcqueen with mike wazowski's face

[earnest remnant]

[balmy condor]

I saw that

[hollow river]

it failed

[thorn crater]

oh seli is doing icy veins guides?

[balmy condor]

yeh he does icyveins sin and outlaw

[abstract cargo]

exsang make deathmark last 8 sec ?

[thorn crater]

welp he has covenant ability on the rotation for DF

[balmy condor]

yes

[thorn crater]

prolly small error in deleting it

[balmy condor]

I don't think they've released dragonflight pages yet have they?

should still be prepatch

so I think that's accurate

[thorn crater]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

it says DF 10.0 on top

[balmy condor]

yeah

[drifting cloud]

10.0 is prepatch

[balmy condor]

we are in 10.0

[drifting cloud]

aswell

[thorn crater]

oh we are?

[balmy condor]

10.0.0 is prepatch

10.0.2 is expansion

[thorn crater]

wait rly?!

[balmy condor]

yeh

[abstract cargo]

maybe i'm missin smth but why we take it then ? less time to double bleed and poison is cool ?

[thorn crater]

the things u learn

[balmy condor]

well in opener you exsang then deathmark

and then you just slam it on cooldown

so it doesn't really ever line up after that

[abstract cargo]

oh

well think

[thorn crater]

easiest way to do it, 5-7 seconds before it comes up refresh bleeds without giving a fuck about CP waste

[balmy condor]

well think to you too

[thorn crater]

overall dps loss? sure but u wont have to deal with a 3 second garrote if u fucked up a bit

[hollow river]

[thorn crater]

nothing felt worse back in legion when i forgot about exsa and had garrote on cd when it came back

lmao

[cold spear]

can someone explain to me why shadowdance is played for assa

[surreal nova]

isnt?

[cold spear]

im confused why u wouldnt go thistle tea along with alacrity and deeper strat

@surreal nova my buddy is saying shadow dance is played for all rogue specs

[balmy condor]

your buddy is an idiot

[misty holly]

It was for a while, like 3 months ago before all the changes.

That part of the tree has since been nerfed and others buffed

[balmy condor]

going dance on sin is like

one of the most cardinal mistakes you can make

it's horrendous

[cold spear]

@balmy condor thats what i was trying to tell him

[balmy condor]

yeh

just screenshot me I guess and say theorycrafter says u dum dum

and if he doesn't believe then unlucky

[cold spear]

thanks for the help

[balmy condor]

any time! welcome to the server

[cold spear]

ty!

[regal sable]

😭

[echo cargo]

your bud xD

[celest ruin]

rip keybinds why do we have so much buttons with different cds

[balmy condor]

you're**

[regal sable]

?

[balmy condor]

?

[gray marlin]

So iron wire and shrouded suffocation > SBS and doomblade for m+?

[echo cargo]

no go to bed

[regal sable]

where has the rum gone

[balmy condor]

I'm at work for another hour at least

cant I just say you're a bud

tryna spread some love

[echo cargo]

you can always say that to me ❤️

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[balmy condor]

yessir

[echo cargo]

i feel you, i've worked 14 hours of OT this week @_@

slowly going insane

[regal sable]

yeah 14 hours in #off-topic is enough to make anyone insane

[balmy condor]

iron wire > everything because it's the way of life and if you don't play it you're losing one of the most busted m+ utility talents

and shrouded is gud

[gray marlin]

but dps wise just interesting

[balmy condor]

yeh

20% garrote dam

is like

really good

[worn badger]

Greetings Rogue programs.. so are we allowed to be generally happy with these new changes ? my brain is fried after 150 dinner covers and 3 banquets =/

[regal sable]

no you must never be happy

everyone doomer mode always hate class

[balmy condor]

we are the best rogue spec

I'm happy

all the sin haters are mad

[regal sable]

rogue has 2 specs

sin

and cringe

[earnest remnant]

[regal sable]

(outlaw)

[worn badger]

Yay

[cold spear]

outlaw is wanabe warriors change my mind'

are^

[balmy condor]

you're right

[vernal adder]

We got stealth

[worn badger]

i dont even reward them with calling them outlaw, its still combat

[final star]

red name speaking

[grim tangle]

don't insult warriors by comparing them to outlaw like that

[regal sable]

there are people who play sin

and there are people who are wrong

its that simple

[worn badger]

Amen

between sin and cooking life is just all daggers

[vernal adder]

Should set up my sin bars actually

[worn badger]

i need to sharpen my knives tomorrow though =/

[vernal adder]

I got whetstone at home, its noice

[surreal nova]

was there always this much outlaw malding in this channel?

[worn badger]

yes

[regal sable]

oh shoot a yellow name

[worn badger]

fuckers think they are allowed to do anything but sub for warriors in council fights

[regal sable]

we cant offend him bc outlaw players cant read

[worn badger]

outlaw rogues drink Dishwater and think its beer too ive heard

[surreal nova]

i understand your frustration and i dont take it personally

[echo cargo]

Overtime as a social worker

😭

[final star]

rogues the only class that have infighting between specs i swear

[regal sable]

absolutely not

[earnest remnant]

nope we are not

[regal sable]

i rile up the warlock discord in my spare time

[worn badger]

have you been to the mage discord ? Fire and frost will stab each others grandmas irl

[final star]

warlocks aren't people

[regal sable]

amen

boomkins and ferals hate eachother

[earnest remnant]

just like assa and outlaw with eachother

[final star]

false

everyone hates boomkins

[earnest remnant]

and arcane mages are just like the sub rogues

all depressed

wanting to be viable

[regal sable]

whats a sub rogue

(i cant see them they're invisible)

[vernal adder]

I like killing boomkins, gets me warm

[hardy wind]

i don't think outlaw hates sin tbh, we hate them only

and they feel offended

[worn badger]

sub rogues arnt depressed, their just busy ganking healers in world pvp

[regal sable]

they'd need to do dmg to gank healers

[worn badger]

i didnt say what lvl healers..

[regal sable]

LOL

[vernal adder]

Anything that moves?

[regal sable]

shoutout to the sub rogue homies making sure westfall stays safe

[worn badger]

has any one toyed with a spec that just breaks torghast ? trying to finish tower ranger in my 285 gear

er talent build

[vernal adder]

Kyrian outlul pretty good iirc

[surreal nova]

blood dk

[gusty mirage]

[worn badger]

that would require me having an alt.. after 18 years if i cant stealth its not playable

[earnest remnant]

lmfao

[vernal adder]

[noble umbra]

do we use amplifying poison over deadly?

[balmy condor]

Oh there’s a typo in there

Thanks fuu

[next edge]

Assa channel super poped now that we are fotm

I miss being bad

We're trendy now

[balmy condor]

Fun fact, my discord server is called whispyr’s swamp, because during shadowlands beta and 9.0 sin was so unplayable the chat was slow “like walking through a swamp” and I was the only mf talking

[oak sky]

[next edge]

Although I have to say button bloat is now a solid concern

As we seem to see what's best talents and such

But its really overwhelming

It's easily 5-6 extra buttons

[surreal nova]

you might not need a new button for every single talent

since if you spec one talent you usually dont spec the other in some cases, if you get what i mean

[next edge]

Well, but tea, ER, sbs, exsang/carnage seem already "mandatory" on all situations

Fuck exsang tho

Plus Ambush from blindside

[oak sky]

sbs/sepsis and er just take the place of your covenant class ability and your covenant ability

[next edge]

I mean I have bindings for it

Just require quite time to get used to it

[surreal nova]

yeah

i mean, nows as good a time as any to get started with getting used to it. just keep in mind that one or two spells are added later on with the 10 add points

tuning isnt over, but sin stonks do be looking juicy right now

[misty holly]

It really is... Tea, Echo, Kingsbane, Carnage, Exanguinate for M+

sounds like a nightmare

[balmy condor]

I think once people get used to it, it’s probably fine

But it’s on the edge of too much

It’s a lot of new buttons at once, which is always a little disorienting

[steel ridge]

Yeah dunno if it’s doable for me

Especially the kingsbane+ic is really alot

[hollow river]

[next edge]

Probably I won't play exsang

Also it's not a big dps change

So one button less

[misty holly]

Kind of have to take it for M+. Whispyr is right about Iron Wire being really good

The button bloat is only part of it too, it's a switch more towards cooldown abilities too. All of those are ~1 minute cooldowns.

Its taking the spec from 1 cooldown, (2 if you count vanish) to...6?

[balmy condor]

You can take MA instead

[misty holly]

like god that is a whole new style of play

[balmy condor]

But it’s… not the best

[misty holly]

I dont know if I like it

I kinda just want to build combo points and then spend them.

[surreal nova]

try to think of the dmg, helped me getting better at unholy. but it is an aquired taste to have 7 billion seperate cds

[steel ridge]

MA is kinda not good without dance but its better than nothing

[oak sky]

i mean a lot of these new buttons arent really cds

like er and sbs

just builders

[misty holly]

If I can be 95% effective with a "less buttons" build I will probably do that.

But if ends up being so much worse that Im not contributing I dunno...

Maybe time to learn Outlaw

[balmy condor]

It’ll be fine

I’m a believer

[drifting cloud]

its not a big dps loss to put the point somewhere else

[scenic kelp]

Sorry for asking this 😅😅 are there numbers for now which rogue spec is simming highest for lvl 70? 😅

[drifting cloud]

its assa

[final star]

and it's not even close

assa is flat out 10% ahead of the other two

[obtuse robin]

quick 5 am question, do you know if all 3 specs scale pretty much the same or does one scale better then others with gear/stats. (not including outliers like eon)

[drifting cloud]

[final star]

SCALING WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[obtuse robin]

[balmy condor]

Is this a serious question or are you trying to piss me off

[solar hare]

cleave

[obtuse robin]

i just want you to talk to me

[final star]

outlaw very likely still king of cleave

but that's all fight design dependant

[balmy condor]

Okay but the way I talk to you is going to change drastically depending on the intent of the question

[solar hare]

vault of incleavates

[balmy condor]

And one of them is very unpleasantly

[final star]

they are both unpleasant

[obtuse robin]

as long as its not about maple story

[solar hare]

Whispyr i hope you have a good morning

[balmy condor]

Aight I’m leaving

This just isn’t worth my time

[ebon notch]

who is pissing off whispyr

[obtuse robin]

[ebon notch]

stop it

[solar hare]

i was being nice

[balmy condor]

Thank you, hopefully I get out of bed before 2pm today, but it’s 1:15am and I’m not tired so it might be scuffed

[solar hare]

its 4 am here

[drifting cloud]

no hotfixes to get you out of bed early

unlucky

[vernal adder]

Bedwalker

[solar hare]

yknow i was very surprised by zoldyck buffs ngl

if i had to guess where sin would get the lead from

that would not have been my guess

pog nonetheless

[pseudo hamlet]

Just when I thought we won't have another ability to click they had to buff Kingsbane. Damn you Blizzard!

[night delta]

Worry not, Whispyr says KB and DTB builds are very close

So play what you like

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, but it still feels like it will require too much buttons for me. I am playing assa because it's easy and chill spec that doesn't require 200APM

[thorn crater]

Still is

Min maxing it on the other hand…

[night delta]

Wonder how much of a w is ditching exsang to put in 2 points in VV instead of flying daggers in whispyr's latest ST builds

[oak sky]

L no exsang

[night delta]

Taking flying daggers in an ST build just doesn't sit right with me

[oak sky]

sucks

we dont have enough good aoe points to go full aoe and we dont have enough good st points to go full st

[night delta]

well flying daggers is a ded point in ST

Only enabler

Is VV 2/2 that behind exsang ?

[oak sky]

i think it competes with shrouded/2nd point pb/zoldyck points

depending on build

[night delta]

Ah probably yea

[oak sky]

or maybe with poison application

[night delta]

Seems those now are dodge always

[oak sky]

i mean they suck and theyre boring

[night delta]

Where i see it taken it looks like its a last resort

[oak sky]

but the kb build has one point of it

and that means it + flying daggers enabler is better than 2 points in vv?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[oak sky]

yeah

[night delta]

Could see why, poison procs feed into kb dam

[oak sky]

my point was its not a dodge always

[night delta]

Analysis, exsang does NOT compete with a tier 3 talent in the dtb build

It enables 20 gate

I'm definitely ditching it for VV x)

[oak sky]

vv is worse than poison application

[night delta]

VV2 worse than Poison application 1 ?!

How come

[limber lion]

Exsang is kinda super strong again

[night delta]

So no way to tank a -1,2% and not deal with it anymore ?

[limber lion]

a 1.2%?

Hah.

[night delta]

How much.

Tell us

[echo cargo]

Many

[subtle tundra]

bro WTH

SEVEN FAT PERCENTAGES?

😭

[vestal wren]

seems quite big yes

having a lot of damage in bleeds now

[subtle tundra]

i like exsang but i feel for the haters

[vestal wren]

the emote did hold up well ^^

[storm onyx]

God no …

[oak sky]

the exsang mechanic is fine the shit it makes me do isnt

[night delta]

[dawn merlin]

actual 7% wtf

[potent topaz]

looking over Whispyr's m+ build I know for sure that my hands plagued by rheumatoid arthritis won't like that many buttons to press 😢

[night delta]

7% for 1 tier 2 talent point is also quite insane

[subtle tundra]

i've got to say, its a bit of a doozy but it feels good

[potent topaz]

well I'll try it for sure but with every year it gets harder with the hands

[night delta]

Plz Realz, something really has to be done

[cold spear]

I refuse to press exang

[night delta]

Such value on a talent that actively disrupts dot refreshing logic is just, why

[cold spear]

Fun over meta on Alts

[drifting cloud]

hows that even possible, its only 1 talent point and not a capstone

[subtle tundra]

well i mean it's also quite ok in m+ cause it so usually happens there's one mob left alive in a pack and you can exsang it at the end alone without having to refresh cause it dies

[night delta]

The only t2 that does as much is DM

[drifting cloud]

or did you not put the point anywhere else, just removed it?

[night delta]

And its basically core

Exsang is not core, quite the opposite

[cold spear]

Has anyone been able to test weather kingsbane or dragon blades are better I’m assuming it’s bane just curious on numbers

[subtle tundra]

pin

[cold spear]

Bet

[next edge]

Almost 8% exsang

Fak

Time to rebleed gaming

[steel ridge]

haha

[night delta]

Oh you just garroted, too bad, gotta do it as soon as it gets off cd for exsang

[steel ridge]

back to outlaw

[teal bloom]

[floral shoal]

I can handle exsang but for the love of the Light don't make me go Blidside....

[drifting cloud]

nobody is forcing you to play talents that will make you do the most dmg

[teal bloom]

why is blindside bad 🤔 glowing button pog I press

[floral shoal]

blindside is bad because it is a glowing button pog I press

[cold spear]

My 3 action bars are filled don’t want glowing button

Glowing buttons are extremely fun so may reconsider

[oak sky]

nah man blindside is lit

im not tryna mut mut envenom all fight

[teal bloom]

9.0 was the only patch i really played in shadowlands and blindside felt fun

[floral shoal]

There are a lot of other specs with glowing buttons left and right, I don't want it in assa

[oak sky]

its 1 glowing button

[teal bloom]

It's execute Pog

[misty holly]

Blindside also a whole new button to bind for people who previously only had ambush on the stealth bar - on top of the 5 new buttons we are already getting from capstones. Shit is out of control.

[cold spear]

@misty holly what’s your stealth ambush on

[misty holly]

same button as mutilate

[cold spear]

Same

Try shift whatever your mutilate button is for procs I’m assuming it’s your 1 so shift 1

[subtle tundra]

mutilate 1 ambush shift 4

i am very very smart

[oak sky]

mutilate 1 ambush shift 2

[teal bloom]

mutilate 1, ambush shift+1

[misty holly]

I might do that, but shift-press for a proc attack is going to feel bad.

its basically a reactionary move

[oak sky]

everything we do is reactionary

[misty holly]

should be as simple as possible

[subtle tundra]

i like it

[cold spear]

@misty holly do you have or use mouse buttons

[subtle tundra]

assa bussin on beta real hard

[misty holly]

No, pretty much everything Im going to do I plan out a second in advance.

[subtle tundra]

i just have to find a keybind for kb

[misty holly]

I know Im going to Multilate then finisher before I even press Mut

[oak sky]

so do you ignore seal fate or what?

just curious

[misty holly]

proc abilities are very disruptive to mental flow

[cold spear]

Wut

So you don’t play any class with procs

[oak sky]

he doesnt play any class actually

0 reactive gameplay

wants to make a 500 cast cast sequence macro

and thats wow

[cold spear]

I just don’t see how you can have your entire go or rotation be mindless considering your combo point generating abilities are not constant

[night delta]

Yeah extra combo points are basically procs

[oak sky]

They are procs

[misty holly]

They are relatively consistent. If you have zero CP mut twice then finish happens almost every time.

[night delta]

(For all 3 rogue specs btw)

[misty holly]

Of course every now and then you will get 2cp + 2cp

but mostly its 3 or 4 on one of those mutilates

[cold spear]

And would you rather use a 4 combo point envenom because you didn’t get the right proc or u gunna smash garrote or shiv first to get the full 5

[misty holly]

which makes is mut, mut, finish

[night delta]

I'd be excited

[cold spear]

It’s all reactive

[night delta]

Free safe shiv

[oak sky]

Idk 1 second is like a long time to sit on new information

Like extra cp

Or needing to ambush

[subtle tundra]

me when
me when assa channel just complains for absolutely every reason possible

[oak sky]

Me when

[subtle tundra]

i only complain that outlaw exists

btw

delete outlaw

[oak sky]

Me when assa channel shits on my favorite talent

[cold spear]

Delete demon hunter

No cap

[oak sky]

Warlock

[teal bloom]

I only complain that exsang exists

[subtle tundra]

nah let the 8 year olds have their spec

[night delta]

Nah warlock can stay, I like my candy

[next edge]

G for me

[oak sky]

Shift 3

[next edge]

Moved shadowstep to Shift E

[oak sky]

Easy

[next edge]

Shit 1-2-3 are defensiged

[subtle tundra]

my dmg abilities are 1-5 with modifiers

[next edge]

And elusive on C

[cold spear]

I’m fine with lock just not 60k incernerates when my cloak is down

[subtle tundra]

ah pvp

[oak sky]

Oh you fight other players

[subtle tundra]

we here are pve players

🙂

[next edge]

I have 1-5 and then Q E F G for my dmg abilities

And shift modifiers for the letters

[cold spear]

I fight players and mobs

[subtle tundra]

i fight the world

[cold spear]

More fun that way get mad I died standing in stuff like an idiot then get mad at dhs for having passive do there too dmg

[subtle tundra]

i am the savior

[cold spear]

Top

[gusty breach]

[tropic drum]

anyone got an assa pre patch pvp talent build? cant see it on here?

[subtle tundra]

this is a pve channel

[tropic drum]

thanks mate

[dense cedar]

Who are these iron wire haters Whispyr is on about

[copper hazel]

weirdos, thats who

[night delta]

Systematically muted

That's why you never hear'em

[dense cedar]

blessed

[subtle tundra]

🥰 iron wire

[oak sky]

Iron wire is perfect

Just like folyr

[subtle tundra]

me when
me when i iron wire some bitches and then they have de-sync'd abilities and we cant aoe stop them sync'd

🫡 glad to be helpful

[oak sky]

L o l!

[next edge]

Is there any kind of "CP rules" when it comes down to finishers

[subtle tundra]

max-1

youre welcome

[next edge]

That was my thought yeah

Was wondering if Rupturing at -1 was a dps loss but probably the loss of CP is way worse

[oak sky]

Higher cp ruptures are more energy efficient it doesnt increase your damage over time

But like before your exsang to max out the time

Idk maybe max cp is better

[next edge]

That was another thought

with eXsang being so strong

[oak sky]

But like in general

Its fine

[subtle tundra]

🫡 i dont really care rn just gonna get used to the gameplay and if i make any mistakes its whatever

[next edge]

Yeah im on that idea too

Exsang feels abd but its just refresh bleeds before it comes off CD

its not that hard to play around

[subtle tundra]

i mean in raid its pretty straight forward and you get used to it, but in m+ its harder cause shit is desync'd with weird timers

[oak sky]

I think the way it makes you refresh is pretty degen

[subtle tundra]

esp with kb wanting shiv in it
do i use shiv in exsang? do i hold it? do i use it so i have it a bit later in kb etc

[next edge]

Yeah its pretty weird honestly

also you dont want exsang into dm right? that interaction is still there?

[subtle tundra]

you exsang then dm

[next edge]

So you have to re-apply inside DM

[subtle tundra]

only garrote

1 garrote dont hurt you

[next edge]

but no rupture. Im i see

[subtle tundra]

well yea

[next edge]

The vanished garrote right

[subtle tundra]

so in the opener you get 42 sec rupture which exsang gets to 21 sec and it hold for the whole dm

what i do with first vanish is garrote envenom garrote envenom after the exsang'd one ffinishes

idk if its the right thing

[thorn crater]

whispyr said the new apl shows vanishing before DM

so they line up after that

its early but aparently its the way to go

[subtle tundra]

I DONT CARE ANOUT WHISPYR

[thorn crater]

XD

[subtle tundra]

I DONT CARE

I AM SMARTER I AM BETTER I AM

😡

[thorn crater]

technically its not whjispyr

he mid

its the computer that says it

[next edge]

I guess we'll get an opener soon when everything is settled

and rules to follow

[royal lantern]

X doubt

[next edge]

I realised I have shiv on V and i feel im a weirdo

[teal bloom]

@vestal wren where does the exsang point go or did you just use 29 points in that comparison

[vestal wren]

i just removed the point

it was not supposed to compare with the 2nd best talent node

but state the impact of this exact node point

[teal bloom]

Ah ok

[next edge]

Still seems like a super huge talent

when itself it gives so much pds

[vestal wren]

it is good because bleeds are strong

[next edge]

As they should be. Just seems like a talent that nobody likes at all.

[night delta]

I'd play exsang if it didn't fuck up the bleed reapply logic

I mean

[vestal wren]

it is because it is not a straight forward talent

[night delta]

I'd like exsang

[vestal wren]

the concept of dot compression is just not simple

[next edge]

Indeed. It kinda "breaks" the logic you play around with bleeds

[vestal wren]

and this is one complain, you could use a easier to grasp concept

change the talent to be understandable

but in the end i assume it isn't about that, because what most players do is follow simple rules

[oak sky]

I think its the fact that the compression is confined to the dot thats on the target is what makes it so bad if that makes sense

[next edge]

Indeed. I think most of players (usually we don't tend to remember vast majority of players aren't those who deeply want to understand/perform) might find this talent really weird to play around

[vestal wren]

it is also often missunderstood

but as mentioned, the expertise about it is usually fairly irrelevant when you can lean how to use it with simple rule sets

[next edge]

Oh definetely

the spell is "easy" to use, at least on ST

pretty straightforward rules

[steel ridge]

what do we think about the puzzle trinket?

casting for 2 seconds is kinda awkward but the mastery seems very big

[night delta]

Fancy a link / screenshot ?

[spice spire]

GM sinners, have a blessed day

[spice spire]

[night delta]

someone here able to explain how do I work the charged combo points trigger in weakauras ?

[midnight mist]

its a buff

different for each one

[night delta]

ids for 2 through 4 ?

through 5*

[night delta]

thanks, you're a lifesaver ❤️

[thorn crater]

whats ur tea hotkey guys

[vestal wren]

i am tempt with the idea to put it on t

just because it is so fitting with the name

[subtle tundra]

T is my dm, tea, sd/er, exsang

with modifiers ofc

[vestal wren]

nice, i still refuse to use any other modifier key than shift

[dark crag]

T is my reply to whisper, i think it's time to change that

[vestal wren]

i am a /r user

[thorn crater]

there is a person here with the name ram that plays rogue and monk correct?

ramlu

is he EU?

[vernal adder]

Ramfam

[verbal mantle]

Ramlu is the best

[subtle tundra]

hi

[vernal adder]

Wonder if I have even tried a monk

or made one

[thorn crater]

there is a ramlu in my raid

monk

eu TN

[vernal adder]

huh

not me

[thorn crater]

ye asked already

[violet jackal]

Each name can be used once per realm

[royal lantern]

your evil twin

if you 2 ever meet irl, you do a fight to the death

[vernal adder]

I have no char named Ramlu so its whatever

[viscid spear]

That means this other player is building a brand using that name

[vestal wren]

i have a low level char named fuu

on a dead realm

[vernal adder]

chillin

[royal lantern]

i have no character named Tryan

cus the name is not avaible on my sever

[viscid spear]

Shame all the Discords I'm in won't always let me change my display name. It just defaults to the first character name I used way back when I started playing in '08

[bitter sphinx]

Which stat do yall normally take in keys? Crit or mastery?

[gusty mirage]

Like for the shrouded affix buff?

[plain onyx]

crit

[night delta]

anybody knows the ID for the Talent SBS debuff ?

[subtle kiln]

https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17033-idTip.html

make your life easier for whatever wa/plater stuff you’re doing

[thorn crater]

yoooo this is sick

might be able to fix old WA with this

cheers

[night delta]

wow thanks, i usually go to askMrRobot for that kind of stuff but for now it's disabled, that's why I went for questions here

i'll be sure to use that now 🙂

[subtle kiln]

delete any and all AMR shit

[gusty mirage]

I was using idtip when I swapped out elv, and idk if it’s just a 10.0 issue but it wasn’t showing spell IDs for stuff on unit frames

[copper hazel]

how does AMR still exist

[gusty mirage]

Because money

[copper hazel]

makes sense

[gusty mirage]

Someone somewhere is giving them money

[subtle kiln]

it works fine with base ui

[copper hazel]

assuming its patreon funded or sub thing

[night delta]

I mean i don't use AMR addons

i just went to the website

[gusty mirage]

Might’ve been just an issue early in the prepatch cycle then

When like 90% of the addons weren’t working 100% properly

[subtle kiln]

sure

[gusty mirage]

I remember trying to get a spell ID off of a debuff on a target and having to install elv to get it

[subtle kiln]

[gusty mirage]

Beta version of elv at that

Huge 15 fps gaming

[subtle kiln]

no id is that important

[gusty mirage]

I’ve never uninstalled Elv so fast in my life

[subtle kiln]

it’s still there now

like lymes disease, it’s just dormant.

[gusty mirage]

This also may have been during beta, before prepatch and I’m just old and senile

True

Elv is like a cockroach during a nuclear apocalypse

[vestal wren]

tbh elf in general is not highly optimized

[gusty mirage]

It was so bad man

[vestal wren]

addons in general usaully go for function > performance

[gusty mirage]

I loaded up and I regret it instantly

[vestal wren]

haha

see i play at 30 fps

so it won't be that bad

(less frames to call expensive functions)

[gusty mirage]

I’m almost positive it’s gotten better since but I haven’t bothered trying it

[sturdy merlin]

Hello does anyone know how to change the color of anima-charged CP when the CPs are not filled ? I can't find this option in afenar's WA

It only works when I land on a charged cp

[gusty mirage]

I’d have to check when I get to my PC unfortunately

[vast loom]

its a thing in display called empowered overlay or soemthing like that

[sturdy merlin]

Ok i was only looking at conditions, let me check display

It's almost working now Color is changing when i land on the charged CP, but goes back to red if i'm not on that specific CP

[crisp cipher]

how are sin numbers looking after changes? we happy?

[rain oyster]

excited for that 300 button rotation. i hate exanguinate

[dark token]

Kinda weird these changes are beta only and not live but w/e

[trail mica]

Do I always use Kingsbane on cd in M+ or is it not worth it at a certain mob count?

[wind obsidian]

Any good pvp burst makros?

[subtle kiln]

#pvp

[oblique sky]

what stats do we go to in M+

as assa

[sour elm]

icy veins m+ guide for 10.0 has it as crit haste

[thorn crater]

ok im confused, i just ifnished t he dinar quest, it got removed from my quest log, i cant see the vendors next to the vault and i dont see the dinars anywhere in my currency

is it connected to any questline?

[quasi ledge]

Load into another raid just in case it didn't "complete" (might force it to appear again), because it should pop up the next dinar quest instantly. And it's not a currency, it's an item in your bag so double check there

[thorn crater]

hm ty

another question, does cache cycle through the effects as bonuses for you?

or do u have to use it to get an effect?

and its a stat stick the rest of the time?

[sour elm]

so its just a stack stick until you activate it; then whatever bonus is up thats what it gives you

I use a weak aura to track the weapons

so that way I can alwasy press cache on axe

[thorn crater]

more buttons more WAs no sir

[sour elm]

yea its not my favorite trinket

[thorn crater]

ty

[sour elm]

its great numerically but a pain to play with sometimes

[thorn crater]

ye fuck that

amplifier decanter it is

[wispy hazel]

i know numbers dont mean anything in pre patch, but is 10k dps at 239 ilvl decent for lfr darkvein

[cobalt hemlock]

playstyle changes a lot in df

[subtle tundra]

feels good to pamp in beta

🫡

[vestal wren]

would you pump more on outlaw?

[subtle tundra]

idk never played with an outlaw

[woven summit]

are SL legendary effects free now in pre-patch?

Or do you still need to grind for them?

[dense yoke]

still gotta do torghast for ashes kekw

[spare crow]

Your main can purchase them for cosmic flux I reckon

and then send via mail to alt

[thorn crater]

revered enlightened for the unity memory

fuck that XD

[sour elm]

honestly though torghast is so free rn

just run like 4-5 level 8-9 and you have enough for a 262

[thorn crater]

for outlaw its particularly easy cause u can dodge detect mobs wit hhook

unless some wolf patrol

[night delta]

Could someone savvy with weakauras explain me how %p displays me duration for Deathmark, but cooldown for Kingsbane ?

Both my WAs for them have literally the exact same setup

it's driving me crazy

ok nevermind, I accidentaly swapped the trigger order for kingsbane CD and kingsbane debuff

[spice spire]

[copper hazel]

magic

you saw nuffin

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

You can't hide the truth

[dark token]

Why beta buffs not on live, I wanna beat some outlaws :(

[ashen scroll]

The st build uses bonespike. What are the conditions to use the 3 charges? Just anytime for cp gen?

[uncut echo]

It replaces mut iirc

[outer cairn]

Up and running to put the debuff on the target, but then I believe its don't cap at 3 or you can use one in a situation where low on energy but need cps

[uncut echo]

Jk I'm big wrong

Originally it was sbs > mut due to energy and cp generation with seal fate

Or am I big crackhead energy

[outer cairn]

hmm. we should take MfD over DS for KB?

[spice spire]

Big crackhead unlucky

[uncut echo]

My method sims better in my head

[spice spire]

It’s always get the buff rolling > don’t overcap > Mut > filler

[spice spire]

Feelcraft yes of course

There was also Kevin uptime and gem windows to condition

But both are no longer a thing in df

[royal lantern]

the only craft we need

[uncut echo]

My apologies

[royal lantern]

i aint letting a machine tell me what to do

[uncut echo]

Based

[spice spire]

You’re good

[spice spire]

brother that is what I’m saying

[uncut echo]

Ain't tryna have QuakeNet take us over

QuakeNet? More like QuakeNYET

[spice spire]

If I were an autonomous program I’d make sure you take care of yourself, and remind you to love yourself (not like that you weirdos)

[uncut echo]

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

if i were an autonomus programm, i'd make sure to delete exsang from the games code and replace it with something else

[spice spire]

Ur a hater

[royal lantern]

yes

hate makes me strong

hating exsang and snd gives me the power to go trought the day

[spice spire]

Which I respect, tremendously as a fellow hater. But hate something that deserves it, like locks or boomkin

[royal lantern]

hating locks or boomkin is 100%normal, every sensible player does it

[royal lantern]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/381520882608373761/994734350761459833/absolutebeastpoursbestpintever.gif

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Sin actually looking not trash for keys tho

Like, playable at least

[spice spire]

Inb4 pumps

[echo geyser]

its gonna be best everywhere then nova streams will return

[vestal wren]

ramfam rooting for a non outlaw spec

[spice spire]

Don’t leak mister ramilyfamily

I still think outlaw could be a bit better in raid due to simplicity of cleave

But the buffs were definitely something

[uncut echo]

I was NOT expecting zoldyck buffs

[spice spire]

Not to everyone though

Yeah Zoldyck’s was the first one that kinda leapt at me and went “wat”

[uncut echo]

Dude he legit will noy be happy about anything

[spice spire]

Both health % and % execute seems high

Health % to keep it in line with warrior. Turns out the different isn’t like GIGA, but it’s still pretty freaking good

[echo geyser]

It would be better for my wrists

[subtle tundra]

assa goes hard

[uncut echo]

It's 15% stronger going kb, or same as it was on dtb with 2 poisons

[echo geyser]

I honestly don't care what i play tbh just something good

[sour elm]

im really looking forward to blasting DM and KB in execute ngl

[uncut echo]

Saw you streaming @subtle tundra , how'd the keys feel?

[subtle tundra]

dtb and kb are equal now

[subtle tundra]

bussin

[spice spire]

Shadow dust outlaw returns 10.1

[uncut echo]

NICE

[spice spire]

Are you still a doomer?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[spice spire]

Fuck

[subtle tundra]

outlaw is exists

[spice spire]

So ur just a hater 🤨

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

Respect.

[subtle tundra]

anyone watched outlaw beta streams?

[uncut echo]

Yeah i meant to say like, zoldyck going kb is 15% strong on same pathing, but it's now 10% steonger taking it if you path to dtb

[subtle tundra]

m+

[iron orchid]

Perfecto was doing outlaw earlier

[uncut echo]

Outlaw in m+ is fucking otherworldly rn

[iron orchid]

with echo and growl

[subtle tundra]

what were their overalls?

[vestal wren]

can root for subtlety too 😛

[echo geyser]

Isnt it just some busted trinkets

[iron orchid]

Can't remember huh

[spice spire]

Deï

[iron orchid]

i'm useless af

[subtle tundra]

oh they play with op shit?

[midnight mist]

trinkets got nerfed a lot

[subtle tundra]

i just have baseline gear

[spice spire]

Oh no Zac is here too

Outlaw mains invading

[echo geyser]

I see overalls between like 60 to 100k i think depends on dungeon

[uncut echo]

Nice hat Zac

[iron orchid]

I watch a lot of random shit and then proceed to forget most of it

[spice spire]

Based

[rain oyster]

sin with thistle, SBS, exang, kingbane, echoing in a clusterfuck of buttons

[subtle tundra]

i was doing keys today and getting like 70k overalls

[uncut echo]

What's outlaw clocking overall in 15s

[midnight mist]

100k

[uncut echo]

Tracjs

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

ah

[midnight mist]

[subtle tundra]

ok

[spice spire]

Nvm I’m a hater too mister varas

[subtle tundra]

actually fucking stupid

[spice spire]

Nerf blade flurry to the ground

[uncut echo]

That's on the higher end of melee rn right

[spice spire]

5%

[subtle tundra]

fucking delete outlaw fuck me

[uncut echo]

With monks in the shitter

[echo geyser]

I mean its not an outlaw issue rly

[spice spire]

Probably is, yeah

[midnight mist]

100k in academy tho

best one

idk about others

[echo geyser]

Ww dh feral dk all do same dmg

[uncut echo]

UNCAP BLADE FLURRY

[echo geyser]

Its not outlaw

[uncut echo]

U N C A P B L A D E F L U R R Y

[spice spire]

No man

[uncut echo]

COWARDS

[echo geyser]

Shush and think about it logically

[sour elm]

Sin suffers from teh dmg profile; bursty specs will always dominate M+ especially on tyran weeks when packs die super quick

[midnight mist]

its already kindoff uncapped lol

8 targets is plenty enough

[echo geyser]

Would u rather rogue not be played at all

[uncut echo]

I mean all of those specs have sqr root scaling

[echo geyser]

Or reroll

[subtle tundra]

and i did like 88k

[uncut echo]

Every single one of them

Dk, dh, ww, feral

All reduced after 8

[subtle tundra]

hmm

[midnight mist]

I was also first timing a build, no monk, no war, and our tank dced middle of a pack

[uncut echo]

With dk being a soft lock at 8 target scourge

[spice spire]

Absolutely not.
My jokes are just jokes. I don’t play at a level that this ever comes up.
Sub 25 keys

[gusty kestrel]

yes log evoker with me

[subtle tundra]

delete outlaw

[midnight mist]

[uncut echo]

Outlaw is fine Varas

[spice spire]

Let him hate

[echo geyser]

Then delete rogue unless sin gets omega buffs

[midnight mist]

I tought sin was op now with the new buffs?

[uncut echo]

Sub where?

[spice spire]

No man

[echo geyser]

Every melee does 100k

[uncut echo]

Raid

[subtle tundra]

i mean i play with elemental and boomy

ofc assa is op

[sour elm]

just put blade flurry on the main tree

[midnight mist]

unluck take the L

[uncut echo]

LUL

[spice spire]

ST gaming

[gusty kestrel]

bring back combat thanks

[subtle tundra]

realistically speaking, the melees will get nerfed

the ranges are behind rn

[uncut echo]

Outlul will always be bussin in keys king, where tf sub at?

[echo geyser]

Sin mega st

[spice spire]

We’re close mister varas

[sour elm]

cant have warlocks losing the lime light

[uncut echo]

Sub died

[spice spire]

I don’t think so

[uncut echo]

Shit drowned