#assassination
limber lion
balmy condor
maybe a gear thing?
royal lantern
@balmy condor should probably add what poisons you gonna use with DtB in that pin i gues
balmy condor
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> should probably add what poisons you gonna use with DtB in...
oh my god I hate that
balmy condor
I mean I should
royal lantern
sorry man
balmy condor
you're 100% correct
but god damn just don't be a chimp it takes amp poison and deadly does the same thing as instant but with a dot
is it that hard to rub the braincells together
and figure out what you're doing
royal lantern
people aint gonna look at them most of the time and knowing what they do
balmy condor
jesus fuck
limber lion
omg whispyr but your old pin says that we shouldn't play map poison!? probably means i play ionsta dealdy then smileyface
balmy condor
omg cev you have $10 and you buy two cokes for 10 minutes and burgers, now the first coke only last 2.5 minutes then you spend less to burgers and buy another coke, still $10. The difference transferred to burger difference not money wise
balmy condor
poison = food, thanks
limber lion
omg cev you have $10 and you buy two cokes for 10 minutes and burgers, now the ...
:O wow!!
signal pier
this will surely blast my soul off
royal lantern
deadly poison is rubbing coke zero on your weapons
instant poison just normal cola
remote heath
wound poison is coca light
balmy condor
amp poison is cocaine
royal lantern
exsang is drinking 5week old milk that is 90%solid
remote heath
balmy condor
exsang is drinking 5week old milk that is 90%solid
"skim milk" like skimming the liquid off the top right
limber lion
I love it when I can chew my milk
remote heath
god bless
royal lantern
god bless
god is scared and left his creations behind
thats why we are stuck with exsang
night delta
https://tenor.com/view/chunky-milk-gif-22396762
delete this
royal lantern
only when they delete or rework exsang
night delta
wait, what, why gar > snd > gar if you're gonna gar 4 GCDs later with vanish ?
doesn't that make the second garrote pointless ?
signal pier
is there a way to change a talent at the top rows without making the entire talent tree collapse?
balmy condor
wait, what, why gar > snd > gar if you're gonna gar 4 GCDs later with vanish ?
because now your vanish and dm are synced smile
balmy condor
oh
because combo point
probably could just mut it
but sim doesn't care atm
and neither do I
night delta
k, I was just wondering
viscid spear
Is this available in the states?
balmy condor
dunno
fallen arch
I cant understand why gar-snd-mut-sbs-rup-dm-vanish-gar isnt better
balmy condor
Better than what
fallen arch
Than gar-snd-gar at the start
balmy condor
I Just said it probably is
fallen arch
Oh didnt catch that sorry
fallen arch
but sim doesn't care atm
Ah here got it
night delta
is there a way to change a talent at the top rows without making the entire tal...
only if you spent more before the gate than what the gate requires
signal pier
only if you spent more before the gate than what the gate requires
i see, if u can't overspend you're fucked
blizzard back at it again
night delta
well the other solution would be to let you, but then slap you with a "can't do that" when you try and save
so you win some you lose some
signal pier
rn everyone loses some because it's annoying to reinvest points if u made a mistake at the top of the tree
balmy condor
Ah here got it
Yeh we’re at the point where we’re asking “when do I vanish”, not “what if I don’t play the best talent and then vanish here, would that mean I replace this one gcd in my opener?”
signal pier
i dont even know how their devs let this through, they probably touched that tree more than anyone else
night delta
i dont even know how their devs let this through, they probably touched that tre...
probably the less exploitable version
signal pier
it's probably more efficient and comfortable editing the tree online and reimporting every time
grand mauve
Hi lads, trying to updating poisons clickable weakaura. In the event someone would pick Dragon-tempered Blades, which combination of poisons would you pick for lethal and non-lethal ?
thorn crater
just read your pins
@balmy condor hilarious 😛
actually made the gloom that is sin fun for a moment
balmy condor
I try my best
balmy condor
Hi lads, trying to updating poisons clickable weakaura. In the event someone wou...
Amp and deadly
grand mauve
Tyvm !
balmy condor
There’s currently little reason to play dtb without amp, but if you were to play twist the knife
Would be deadly instant
Probably like an aoe situation
grand mauve
grand mauve
this weakaura is giving me the headache, should have never iterated and released it on wago
balmy condor
Here’s what you do
If amp poison talented, amp
If amp on player or not talented, deadly
If deadly on player and dragon tempered talented and not amp talented, instant
And that’s like
Good enough for 95% of situations
grand mauve
thats a good start thanks. Now I have to have it work for sub and outlaw too 
gusty breach
"If you're reading this far in I love you, you are valid, and I hope you have a great day"
outer cairn
Wasn't there some super secret Konami code we could input into the game to help with lag/fps? Seen it floating around and now can't locate it
thorn crater
the player thing is pvp?
gusty breach
the player thing is pvp?
wat?
gusty breach
😄
pseudo hamlet
Thistle Tea? Exang? ER? Ambush? Can't wait to add dozens of macros more! 
indigo epoch
On beta or live?
indigo epoch
😦 feelsbadman
Im shit so my aoe on live was good enough for the garbage keys ive been playing on
I like IC but it seems like assasination works so hard to get 85% of the damage other specs slam with like 4 buttons
misty holly
I'm glad that DTB is simming so well, but I am curious how far behind Kingsbane is for ST.
And is there any indication if KB might scale better/worse than double poisons for the future?
woeful wigeon
thx mate you and other who help making these are Gods
indigo epoch
is it fun tho?
Its better than SL for sure.
uncut echo
@balmy condor How much worse is tiny toxic blade over exsang?
untold mortar
urban spoke
Shreikwing = AoE?
empty hinge
With motes yea
limber lion
<@167090536602140682> How much worse is tiny toxic blade over exsang?
a few %, if you hate exsang just go for it
ancient rain
normal mist
I love it how that gif says "strike" or "work strike" in portuguese
viscid spear
spice surge
I love it how that gif says "strike" or "work strike" in portuguese
Thats the point 
Its similar to that in most romance languages
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> How much worse is tiny toxic blade over exsang?
Around 3%
zealous urchin
Is it me or is assa doing bad dmg. I for example have the single target build with kingsbane and people with tens of ilvls below me are top dps everytime. I have noticed other assa doing very low dps too.
subtle tundra
zealous urchin
Sorry I am new here, is it normal that rogue does dmg like this broooo 💀💀💀
subtle tundra
its prepatch
zealous urchin
Ahhhh okay
Have yall tried beta? I dont have it. Does is perform atleast okay there?
subtle tundra
its very mediocre on beta
zealous urchin
Nahhhhh 💀
It is so fun man. I hope they atleast buff it somehow that it is more viable.
wispy hazel
if i were to make a single legendary just to run a few M+ should i just get obideince
spice spire
Another day of Exsang haters? Unreal
spice spire
if i were to make a single legendary just to run a few M+ should i just get obid...
Unity but sure. That or Zoldyck’s
sand elm
Another day of Exsang haters? Unreal
limber lion
Is it me or is assa doing bad dmg. I for example have the single target build wi...
on which boss?
zealous urchin
Any that doesnt have cleave or smth
Like a ww with 233 ilvl doing 16k single target while a assa from the grp with 278 ilvl doing 8.5k
cobalt hemlock
Like a ww with 233 ilvl doing 16k single target while a assa from the grp with ...
yeah this definitely sounds a bit more like an skill issue
zealous urchin
Is it normal for ww to do this much dmg
cobalt hemlock
ww is really strong prepatch right now but they should never be doing double your dmg if you both are playing as well and have similar gear
zealous urchin
Well I have seen ww do insane dps in beta videos
cobalt hemlock
its prepatch crazyness
ionic kiln
How do I make my poison button go on the screen instead of off the screen?
oh, it depends on what action bar I put it on, whether it goes up and down.
wispy hazel
what secondary stats do we aim for
iron orchid
crit haste and mastery are all strong and viable options
timid cloud
gusty breach
Sorry I am new here, is it normal that rogue does dmg like this broooo 💀💀💀
nobody is spending time to balance prepatch
hopefully dragonflight will make us better
gusty breach
Like a ww with 233 ilvl doing 16k single target while a assa from the grp with ...
i did more damage as 250 monk than 270 frost mage, but that was in m+ and that was low enough key where everything died extreemly fast
also skill gap
cerulean nest
can anyone help me with ST opening using the ST build in the most recent pin
sand elm
i think whispyr is still working out the opener
cerulean nest
kk
sand elm
was a whole load of testing last night on whether to sync vanish with DM or to delay it
so think theres still kinks to work through
signal pier
podcast summary:
outlaw: 🙂
assa: 🙂( 
) (exsang: 😦 )
sub: ❓
main solar
Assa and sub could both us some buffs honestly
spare crow
i completely agree
sour elm
outlaw gets so many combo points rn
timid cloud
main solar
the gaslighting has begun
sour elm
between dreadblades and the adren rush combo points its bonkers
white orchid
IC stonks down?
main solar
i think IC is better for dslice again
spare crow
Want 1 button more to press 
white orchid
We supposed to be the slow “methodical” grandpa spec, need less buttons 👴🏻
next edge
Well the speed has nothing to do with the buttons you gotta press
You are adding like what, 2 buttons as much?
and you lose 1 for sure from cov
so its like an extra binding
maybe 2
I think people is overreacting
white orchid
1 too many for my old hands and brain
balmy condor
Ha
sand elm
next edge
Er is super easy to play as SIN also
and I think that the spell is a really nice idea/design and pretty cool to play around it
way better than flagelation, for example
timid cloud
That is a take.
main solar
Already had a rant about it last night, but I like the charged CP idea, just wish it could be its own stand alone passive or something and not tacked onto another button press. Especially considering you have reactionary gameplay as part of it afterwards
white orchid
I’m def going to forget to press it often on CD lol
balmy condor
I like ER
main solar
I just dislike that we have like 3-5 new 45s/1min CDs that are practically unavoidable.
balmy condor
And I’m tired of pretending like I don’t
timid cloud
Don’t make me dig up the comments you made in SOD about it.
main solar
Blindside is a good example of a passive though that adds some mix to gameplay and isnt just a brain dead passive though
timid cloud
signal pier
so im probably playing it wrong
i run out of energy very often
because of the animacharged cps
balmy condor
Don’t make me dig up the comments you made in SOD about it.
Look, ER when you can’t control your CP consistently, dogshit
main solar
dont force yourself too much to play the CP minigame
timid cloud
LOL
balmy condor
I want to play around CP and energy
Do I want ER cp to do more?
Yes
I want to see it be an interaction
But the gameplay
Very sick
timid cloud
Flag? Empowering all of my abilities, albeit passively, & making them all hit harder as a bonus. Great.
timid cloud
Flag, not being on my tree? Dogshit.
next edge
Flag? Empowering all of my abilities, albeit passively, & making them all hit ha...
Flag is the most boring spell ever
it does nothing
you press and thats it
main solar
Imagine a talent that always gave you a perma charged CP, changing its location everytime
white orchid
Why not just have cp management better without an on use ability lol
next edge
Why not just have cp management better without an on use ability lol
How you manage CP without using abilities
royal lantern
Flag is the most boring spell ever
ER is "you do dmg, now you do slightly stronger finishers maybe"
sand elm
i like ER. only when its the version where it cant land on the first CP tho
getting just 1 cp was awful
timid cloud
There’s a reason we didn’t use ER before. It does the same thing it’s going to do. Which as I said before. Is straight up just muti crit with a CD.
Er & Flag both did really simple fire & forgets.
main solar
How you manage CP without using abilities
I think he means having the trigger be some sort of proc or other condition and not just an ability CD to make CPs charged.
next edge
how can yo ueven compare ER to Flag
timid cloud
Best part was, flag at least did damage & gave me more damage as a whole for pressing my “boring” button.
sand elm
im ok with that. not everything in a rotation needs to be super involved
white orchid
I think he means having the trigger be some sort of proc or other condition and ...
That’s what I mean yea lol.
next edge
Maybe we don't if you say that ER is fire and forget
sand elm
afaik kyrian was the pick for a good part of shadowlands cos ER was so good
main solar
Lets not forget that legendaries propped up the covenant abilities quite a lot
timid cloud
I fired it & then used it as my next spell. Envenom. Which did no damage.
NF ended up being better.
next edge
afaik kyrian was the pick for a good part of shadowlands cos ER was so good
FOr sub was a really solid pick
timid cloud
Because Burrs.
sand elm
FOr sub was a really solid pick
and for outlaw if im remembering right
next edge
If you say ER is a fire and forget we might be talking about a different spell
next edge
and for outlaw if im remembering right
Outlaw with the amount of CP generation was a rly good user of Flag
specially with double leggo
sand elm
oh im talking about before covenant legendaries
timid cloud
Outlaw used ER in SOD.
sand elm
like nathria/sod times
next edge
I just don't see how is ER a fire and forget when you have to play around the points you get
and pay attentino to it
its like not even close to flag
timid cloud
Nathria Outlaw used NF because Burrs was stronger.
?
It gave combo points.
That’s it.
next edge
It gives you animacharged combo points
dull cloak
flag is more fire and forget that er
royal lantern
flag is more fire and forget that er
i mean
next edge
You had to play around it for a bit
royal lantern
you just gonna download a WA that screams at you to use a finisher for ER lol
timid cloud
No one is playing that mini game if you wanna deal damage.
next edge
or do the minigmae
royal lantern
its just as Fire and forget as flag lmao
next edge
No one is playing that mini game if you wanna deal damage.
Sure bud
main solar
ER hits frecking hard, generates 2cps, and only costs 10 energy
timid cloud
You just fire & forget the anima points.
subtle tundra
ER hits frecking hard, generates 2cps, and only costs 10 energy
it doesnt hit hard tho
timid cloud
Like if it lands there, sure, if not. Okay. Literal who ability.
main solar
it did back then atleast
royal lantern
ER only hits hard when you take the "er now actually does dmg" talent
sand elm
to be fair, resounding clarity does sort of make ER a little fire and forget. seeing as u only need to land in 1 of 4 CP to get the benefit
timid cloud
ER got nerfed because it was strong in PvP.
sand elm
pre RC tho less so
timid cloud
ER was fire & forget because all I had to do was legit hit a finisher after I did it & that was it.
WHOA ENTICING GAMEPLAY
main solar
But flag was also just vers and didnt have CD reduction attached to it either
white orchid
Does the anima points work on rupture? Or nah
timid cloud
At least with flag, I hit it & I had to manage my CP to get the most out of it for extra lashes.
sand elm
Does the anima points work on rupture? Or nah
any finisher
main solar
haste*
sand elm
as if it uses 7 combo points
next edge
At least with flag, I hit it & I had to manage my CP to get the most out of it f...
you didnt had to manage CP
timid cloud
?
next edge
you just keep doing what you was doing
just last second you finish to give extra stack
thats it
timid cloud
That’s just simply not true lol.
sand elm
what management of cp is there, not like ur going to be generating less than the usual 5+
timid cloud
If I go into a flag with no CP I do less damage than if I did it with ER. What?
timid cloud
Yes. That’s what I’m saying. I got more out of that than I did ER.
white orchid
If you messed up your rotation though you couldn’t get max flag stacks and it wouldn’t line up as much with vendetta the next time it came up
signal pier
oh god what a discussion have we created
sand elm
If you messed up your rotation though you couldn’t get max flag stacks and it wo...
wouldnt say thats specifically something u have to manage tho, its just not messing up ur rotation
white orchid
I honestly would’ve been okay if no cov abilities made it back into any class free lol
timid cloud
Because no flag damage. Even if it’s like 100 damage it’s still more.
white orchid
wouldnt say thats specifically something u have to manage tho, its just not mess...
Oh I know lol just saying that was the extent of gameplay with flag lol
balmy condor
whatever
timid cloud
Let me check how I typed that.
balmy condor
but flag is very boring
sand elm
yeh agreed
timid cloud
Both are boring.
next edge
but flag is very boring
Thanks
balmy condor
ER is way less boring than flag
timid cloud
But at least I got something out of it being boring.
white orchid
All cov abilities are boring imo loo
royal lantern
all rogue covenant abilitys except bone spike are boring
white orchid
Except sbs I guess lol
timid cloud
Spikes weren’t boring.
royal lantern
and even bone spike is just "hits hard, reset on kill"
timid cloud
Yeah. I think that’s the only active one that didn’t have a piss long CD.
white orchid
Yea I honestly didn’t want to see any of the abilities make it back except sbs lol
royal lantern
rogue had no "exciting" covenant abilitys in general, wich makes the desicion to put them ALL back in even more mindblowing
just filler
cus they had no idea to put in something else
white orchid
rogue had no "exciting" covenant abilitys in general, wich makes the desicion to...
I agree lol
sand elm
they likely werent put in cos they were exciting, but cos they worked in the rotations
royal lantern
i STILL dont understand why ER out of all abilitys is in the class tree as a capstone
timid cloud
I’ve not done Beta because it’s pointless to a degree.
But if we’re going Crit-Mastery, which is what Whispyr said earlier then what does that mean for haste?
sand elm
i STILL dont understand why ER out of all abilitys is in the class tree as a cap...
probably cos its an easy ability that has the same ease of benefit for all 3 specs
timid cloud
That we have so much it’s worthless? Or just that it’s a shit stat?
royal lantern
probably cos its an easy ability that has the same ease of benefit for all 3 spe...
well and there is the problem 🙂
no exciting stuff, just easy stuff
royal lantern
just look at rogue tree and compare it with feral, not talking dmg wise
timid cloud
If it’s a shit stat, then that diminishes the value of Flag.
sand elm
so its not like it matters
royal lantern
feral actually has dot interactions and stuff
echo cargo
@balmy condor I went to bed last night and you were arguing and I woke up and you're arguing
royal lantern
assa is just "poison does more dmg, bleed does more dmg"
timid cloud
We do too. It’s called Exsang.
main solar
going crit/mast doesnt make haste a shit stat
main solar
Assassination is basically everything except Vers
royal lantern
literally vanilla lvl talents 90%of the time
main solar
other 3 are pretty close
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> I went to bed last night and you were arguing and I woke u...
yeah so I went to bed at 6:30
and then woke up at 9
echo cargo
LOL
balmy condor
and did the podcast
echo cargo
the hustle is unreal
main solar
Think you're gonna have to wait for Realz to work some magic for Exsang to be dead
timid cloud
POV Whispyr in the mines.
sand elm
Think you're gonna have to wait for Realz to work some magic for Exsang to be de...
assuming he agrees with us that exsang is bad. which doesnt seem to be the case
royal lantern
POV Whispyr in the mines.
whispr revealed today that he has a dad bod man
sand elm
realistically i think its more likely other talents will be buffed to be better than exsang than for exsang to be either removed or nerfed
timid cloud
vestal wren
and did the podcast
time to go back to bed i guess
main solar
assuming he agrees with us that exsang is bad. which doesnt seem to be the case
Not necessarily. General tuning on other talents could knock exsang out too. Don't exactly have to touch exsang itself
balmy condor
time to go back to bed i guess
sand elm
thats why i said other talents will be buffed
timid cloud
What’s above SBS again? Doomblade?
sand elm
i think thats more likely than exsang itself being changed or removed
timid cloud
I don’t feel like getting outta bed.
royal lantern
What’s above SBS again? Doomblade?
thats also so stupid tbh lol
balmy condor
whispr revealed today that he has a dad bod man
YOU CAN SEE MY UPPER HALF ON STREAM CONSTANTLY BRO WHAT
timid cloud
LOL
royal lantern
a talent that wants you to use mutilate
main solar
That's the magic I was referring to atleast, just general tuning lol
timid cloud
The hair is in the way.
royal lantern
YOU CAN SEE MY UPPER HALF ON STREAM CONSTANTLY BRO WHAT
i dont watch porn streams man
balmy condor
what
sand elm
if it really was an issue i think blizz wouldve done something about it earlier. the fact we're 3 weeks from launch and its still there says to me they want us to play it
balmy condor
I think if I get a vtuber model before sub badges, my mods would actually fly to my house and murder me in my sleep
main solar
what if your vtuber model is actually just a bunch of sub badges
timid cloud
Best have them drops enabled.
One of the badges has to be Exsang.
It has been written in stone.
balmy condor
what if your vtuber model is actually just a bunch of sub badges
one of my mods resubs every month with "where's my sub badge"
timid cloud
So it shall be.
timid cloud
main solar
"I am your sub badge"
timid cloud
Ask that dude who did the Death Mark WA symbol.
I won’t use it, more than likely, but it looked cwispy.
balmy condor
I've considered it
timid cloud
balmy condor
Idk
I've just always been waiting for something that actually is meaningful
I don't wanna be that guy to just recolor the sin icon 10 times
and call it a sub badge
would it be fine
sure
but not to me
timid cloud
main solar
We all know you'll have to use the outlaw badge anyways
timid cloud
Same, huge Kyrian Rogue fan.
timid cloud
Only liked it for the daggers. Don’t tell anyone else.
Sin is fun.
Just don’t mind my last login 1 month ago.
On the rogue.
Jokes aside. I do like it.
I wish Dusk worked, so I could like it more though.
Even if only for a few more weeks.
subtle tundra
assa is actually good in m+, i outdps the boomy and the ele beats my by a bit surely that means im good
sand elm
i enjoy playing assassination as well
main solar
Sin is fun, but would be more fun with 1-2 less CD buttons (exsang + TT) 😛
timid cloud
I tried it a bit in M+, I felt awk. Might’ve been because it was streets & day 1.
balmy condor
Sin is fun, but would be more fun with 1-2 less CD buttons (exsang + TT) 😛
it'll be more fun in DN
vestal wren
I am having FUN
stockholm syndrom?
balmy condor
stockholm syndrom?
the pirates tried to convince me
timid cloud
Did you stream it, Varas?
balmy condor
persuade me to the join their cult
subtle tundra
I tried it a bit in M+, I felt awk. Might’ve been because it was streets & day 1...
might be because who cares about prepatch
im talking about beta
vestal wren
pirates don't know
balmy condor
BUT I WAS STEADFAST IN MY BELIEFS
vestal wren
that subtlety is way better
timid cloud
Shucks. :/
balmy condor
PLAYING OUTLAW FOR 15 MINUTES ONLY MADE MY LOVE FOR SIN GROW
timid cloud
Made your hands hurt too I bet.
balmy condor
that subtlety is way better
I'm happy sub is good but can I have rupture back please
dark token
Sin rogues don't know sub is the better multidot spec
timid cloud
I got them Twitter fingers.
main solar
The only time i've played outlaw this whole beta/prepatch cycle was to work on my WAs
timid cloud
I’m hearing Rupture is applied to 2 targets???
main solar
and I felt gross
timid cloud
At the same time???
timid cloud
Might just have to become one of those gentlemen that has purple hands….
vestal wren
I'm happy sub is good but can I have rupture back please
wdym, we only have nightblade
balmy condor
wdym, we only have nightblade
vestal wren
there is a bug in the game tho, it appears as the wrong spell
main solar
Our rupture sure as hell won't do more damage now that we won't take bloody mess anymore
vestal wren
all red and somehow the name in the db is still mixed up
timid cloud
NIGHTBLADE
timid cloud
I miss it.
balmy condor
make eviscerate hit every target affected by rupture
main solar
I miss Legion in general
timid cloud
Ooh ooh I got one.
regal sable
sub 
spice surge
make eviscerate hit every target affected by rupture
Ferocious eviscerate
Hits all targets affected by ripture
balmy condor
I'm starting to get real sick of feral just having all the cool things
red bloom
Whispyr, just think of our Scaling
balmy condor
I'm thinking about it
timid cloud
BAN
balmy condor
what do I do now
red bloom
at least we have exsang though
sand elm
make eviscerate hit every target affected by rupture
make envnom hit every target affected by a poison
timid cloud
sand elm
balmy condor
make envnom hit every target affected by a poison
BORING DUMB ZERO GAMEPLAY
sand elm
make it so u have to complete a game of DDR for it to work then
balmy condor
I hate that such much you get to go in time out for that
red bloom
haha
timid cloud
So….it’s Echoing Reprimand?
regal sable
make envnom hit every target affected by a poison
ok so what your gonna do its as simple as first you're gonna fok envenom fok envenom fok envenom fok envenom fok envenom
sand elm
why bully
red bloom
ok so what your gonna do its as simple as first you're gonna fok envenom fok env...
we're all playing Sub
timid cloud
You know. Historically….
regal sable
my brain is too small for sub
royal lantern
my brain is too small for sub
dude
main solar
we're all playing Maplestory with Whispyr
regal sable
(i cant keybind symbols and blades)
red bloom
its sad to say, but theres about 2% of me that wants to play feral and be a meme for an expansion
until scaling of course
sand elm
its sad to say, but theres about 2% of me that wants to play feral and be a meme...
u mean it wasnt a meme already?
timid cloud
Feral is in a better spot than where it was before.
Granted, the bar is on the floor. But it is better.
red bloom
now think of this, Feral with 34% crit
timid cloud
They have a lot of nice interactions.
red bloom
oh man
sand elm
now think of this, Feral with 34% crit
back in the ICC tier of wrath, ferals were running at the 75% crit cap
red bloom
nah mate, 34% magic number
sand elm
rookie numbers
timid cloud
Hmmm….
As someone who played 3.3.5 for a really long time after it was on live.
I only remember armor pen
They had nearly the same BIS as Rogue.
sand elm
armor pen sort of died off a little after ulduar
red bloom
im guessing you werent around for 8.3
timid cloud
Didn’t for Warrior. Since they took leather from us.
night delta
im guessing you werent around for 8.3
80% haste poggers
spice surge
my brain is too small for sub
Its so weird how lots of people think sub is hard to play 
sand elm
probably outlaw players that think it
regal sable
if u read furhter down u can see i memed not having the space to keybind 2 cooldowns
spice surge
Outlaw is arguably harder
royal lantern
Its so weird how lots of people think sub is hard to play <:kekdog:9072070377572...
strike strike evisc
strike strike evisc
sand elm
Outlaw is arguably harder
royal lantern
use symbols on cd, and dance togheter with it
and sooo many people just keep saying its 1 of the hardest specs in the game
spice surge
Outlaw requires reactions
royal lantern
yo its like people who say disc priest is hard
disc needs fight knowledge
thats it
more then other healers
it IS harder then other healers
spice surge
Which is certainly hard
royal lantern
but it doesnt need 200000IQ
spice surge
Compared to "if low press heal"
royal lantern
its probs the most easy healer for re-clears
regal sable
i mean all healers require fight knowledge in any content thats even remotely hard
royal lantern
i mean all healers require fight knowledge in any content thats even remotely ha...
yes no
disc needs prep time
regal sable
id compare disc needing fight knowledge to ramp to rdruid needing fight knowledge to preapply hots
royal lantern
other healers can use healing cds as a reaction, disc cant
red bloom
other healers can use healing cds as a reaction, disc cant
say that to my 99 lfr ashara logs pal
spice surge
Some rdruids builds have some of that too
regal sable
the act of pressing ur buttons 10 sec before dmg happens isnt any harder than pressing them on reaction, and at a level where everyone should have an idea whats going to happen disc is just another healer to me idk
balmy condor
yo its like people who say disc priest is hard
yo I ain't saying dick priest is hard, but I'm a pastor in the church of cock and I'm rock solid
sand elm
regal sable
(im a visual learner)
balmy condor
<a:nohorny:759594079574163487>
we must not have met
spice surge
yo I ain't saying dick priest is hard, but I'm a pastor in the church of cock an...
Pastorize me
balmy condor
ayo
regal sable
AYO
pseudo mural
balmy condor
I think I'm legally obligated to delete that
surreal nova
pseudo mural
balmy condor
<a:DRUMS:988474950765662219>
this is kosher enough
sand elm
cerulean nest
the hells going on in here
sand elm
pseudo mural
royal lantern
the hells going on in here
assa is bad, so this channel goes to the dogs rn
balmy condor
the hells going on in here
I got a new helmet on my dual blade in maplestory and now I have to re-craft it
red bloom
nah, just a fix
balmy condor
red bloom
get that into ya
red bloom
tauren is the only way
viscid spear
tauren is the only way
To get a good hamburger, sure
obtuse robin
@balmy condor possible to make your last stream a vod or nah?
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> possible to make your last stream a vod or nah?
waiting on twitch
obtuse robin
nocturne current
yo I ain't saying dick priest is hard, but I'm a pastor in the church of cock an...
I wake up to this.
balmy condor
I wake up to this.
You’re welcome
plain jewel
anyone know if it's possible to keep same action bar layout when switching talent loadout
balmy condor
Yeah there’s a setting to default copy action bars when creating a new load out
I don’t remember where the setting it, either on the talent settings themselves or action bar/interface
willow rapids
it's an option of the talent loadout
plain jewel
awesome. found it. small gear hard to see lol
formal sorrel
I read that the duskwalkers leggo was supposed to give CDR to deathmark butr it doesnt seem to be working
what leggo you guys using for raid and keys and stuff?
regal sable
what leggo you guys using for raid and keys and stuff?
im using PM
formal sorrel
PM?
formal sorrel
Oh shit yeah I read them not sure how tf I missed that
formal sorrel
yup we got there already thanks buddy
sand elm
cerulean nest
was atrophic technically buffed with the new health/damage increase?
steel ridge
modern girder
im a lil confused. i just rolled rogue and its been many years since ive played it but im playing sin rn and i see guides talking about vendetta but i dont see it in my spellbook or in the talents pane.. is it an outddated guide? reason im confused tho is i dont actually see a self buff dps cooldown like every single spec in the game has. is shiv intended to be a sort of replacement for having one since its a really low cd dmg modifier?
balmy condor
What Guide is talking about vendetta HUH
regal sable
vendetta was a similar thing (single target debuff on enemy) but instead of duplicating bleeds ,it was a dmg amp vs that target
modern girder
ah. i was kindve in the mindset of thinking deathmark replaced vendetta but i had also noticed the no self buff thing
regal sable
welcome to sin rogue
deft vault
can you go 2x tiny toxic blade now with the talent and tghe lego?
or double doomblade
regal sable
no, talents replace legendary effects
balmy condor
Yeh, they don’t stack
regal sable
its really cozy at the bottom of the meters
sturdy merlin
Ttb stacking 
1000% shiv buff
modern girder
hows 10.2k overall average dps for a +17 streets run at 247 ilvl sound? not really able to tell how well im doing
gusty breach
hows 10.2k overall average dps for a +17 streets run at 247 ilvl sound? not real...
as sin?
modern girder
yes
gusty breach
at that item level hard to tell, but probabaly amazing, cuz being that low is a feat to get an invite
steel ridge
😄
thorn crater
Whisp you streaming again?
subtle tundra
cap
modern girder
o.O cool. and uh yeah its a trick of the trade. you dont try to apply to keys you make your own :p
im gonna be pushing 20+ soon at this rate
loool
subtle tundra
im cheesed to meet you
gusty breach
I took a bit of a nap
was it solid 20min?
subtle tundra
im the assa prodigy ofc
thorn crater
Kappa
gusty breach
power nap
balmy condor
was it solid 20min?
Bout 45 I think
thorn crater
Oh shit
gusty breach
his dance moves are beyong us
thorn crater
I can see him Being on the passive part
balmy condor
im the assa prodigy ofc
Bro you defended this
sand elm
thorn crater
What is this monstrosity
balmy condor
The assa prodigy playing prepatch m+
subtle tundra
Bro you defended this
i dont think i did? didnt i invent that?
gusty breach
Bro you defended this
subtle tundra
The assa prodigy playing prepatch m+
i dont play prepatch are you dumb?
sand elm
i dont think i did? didnt i invent that?
not something u should be admitting
gusty breach
hidden dog tech
subtle tundra
yes in raid
formal sorrel
@subtle tundra YEah how dare you have your own ideas and play the game that YOU want to play and that YOU pay for HOW DARE YOU
marble hemlock
Would be easier to point out the things that arent a problem
subtle tundra
my dps is completely irrelevant
gusty breach
my dps is completely irrelevant
mood
subtle tundra
im there for the participation
gusty breach
life of a client
balmy condor
My problem is you’re a top sin player and there’s children around
Shows you how down bad this spec is I guess
gusty breach
he has to limit himself, in order to make it easier for the rest of us
subtle tundra
i dont know how to activate "show yourself on dps meters thing"
so i had a long list of dps on my screen
subtle tundra
ill have you know im bussin on beta m+
balmy condor
But they play the most cooked talent trees imaginable to hide the truth
1 point dashing though
Respect
That’s potent
subtle tundra
the first point does more than the 2nd
balmy condor
You’re right
balmy condor
Uh huh
subtle tundra
ok dont think about it
modern girder
should i be using the amplifying poison instead of deadly? idk what im doing
i just copied a guides tree
subtle tundra
same
modern girder
and went straight to m+
balmy condor
should i be using the amplifying poison instead of deadly? idk what im doing
amp over deadly everywhere except 4+ target aoe
modern girder
cos im lazy and its less effort than stopping to repoison for sections of aoe vs st or cleave @_@
modern girder
wdym
balmy condor
poisons haven't been attached to your weapons for about a decade now
mystic swift
is the dusk leggo still bugged?
balmy condor
woven ruin
Anyone else notice weapon illusions are pulsing and not constant like they use to be?
kindred rapids
Varas I need you to show me the way to blast on sin
minor anchor
Bro you defended this
Wait is this build good?
honest vessel
no
steel ridge
amp poison mastery interaction fixed on live?
minor anchor
Damn. I just want to do damage respectfully
sand elm
good luck with that
kindred rapids
Respectful damage, I like that
subtle tundra
omg assa so good
not gonna show build cause whispyr will say bad words to me or something
steel ridge
actual blast
balmy condor
not gonna show build cause whispyr will say bad words to me or something
I wouldn't have to yell at you if you weren't playing some brain dead shit
steel ridge
or is that beta?
fading wigeon
anyone know if legendaries are dead on nov 15?
subtle tundra
or is that beta? <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
i'd post on the df channel
IF IT WERE OPEN
steel ridge
lmao
subtle tundra
it was a shadowmoon burial 16 tyrannical xd
steel ridge
havent done that one yet
sand elm
omg assa so good
nice photoshop
sand elm
anyone know if legendaries are dead on nov 15?
they wont be usable in df content
velvet ridge
Exsang, sbs, er 😦 I'm big sadge
sand elm
ive been to a few and this 1 has the nicer people in it
balmy condor
ive been to a few and this 1 has the nicer people in it
we boutta put you back in time out
uncut echo
Mage is legit dead
balmy condor
show you wahts really up
sand elm
NO PLS
nocturne current
Nah man, I hate "borrowed" powered spells. Just make no sense for me, the fact a random bone spikes comes out of some other dimension or some fairy disease.
uncut echo
KING SHIT
sand elm
nocturne current
Outlaw dices are already too much fantasy for me.
uncut echo
Outlaw dices are already too much fantasy for me.
Then don't play it
balmy condor
you been here almost a month @sand elm, have you behaved
uncut echo
sand elm
i have
sand elm
oak sky
honest vessel
Nah man, I hate "borrowed" powered spells. Just make no sense for me, the fact a...
i think of it like, im such a good rogue, and maybe i've dabbled a little necromancy, so bada bing badaboom
good rogue + spent time in dalaran, learned some arcane = er
idk theres ways to mental gymnastic around it
nocturne current
Man, we're supposed to be thieves.
uncut echo
If they cared, they'd just rework the animations
honest vessel
what we're 'supposed to be' is up to us methinks
uncut echo
Also yes
nocturne current
Next expansion you learn to fireballs from the dragons.
uncut echo
We shouldnt be able to shadowstep, too high fantasy tbh
nocturne current
That scales with agility.
uncut echo
It's entirely subjective m80
nocturne current
Because, fantasy.
uncut echo
If you don't like it don't play it
balmy condor
Have I been a good girl uwu
you have been yes
regardless
sand elm
i see how it is. ahri is a good girl and nothing happens. im a good girl and i get threatened with timeouts. favouritism!
honest vessel
unlucky
sand elm
damn outlaws
marble hemlock
remove outlaw
nocturne current
Bring combat back.
balmy condor
remove outlaw
seli my 2.5% dps doesn't work when you take PB, but all the dslice builds take PB, how fix
nocturne current
Outlaw would be even more fun if you could pull Gnomes with the grappling hook, Link style.
uncut echo
hot take
marble hemlock
did you just ping me expecting a genuine and serious answer?
balmy condor
did you just ping me expecting a genuine and serious answer?
you're an M+ brainlet
I'm sure you can figure out how to balance CT and PB
marble hemlock
if you dont envenom youre not proccing PB
uncut echo
Make pb proc on all finishers
marble hemlock
so its 0dps
plain cipher
Does the Doomblade talent bleed stack or is it just a single dot ?
uncut echo
MAKE 3 POINTERS 1 POINTERS
balmy condor
# Crimson Tempest on low target cleave when enough energy regen and dot time remaining is low
actions.dot+=/crimson_tempest,target_if=min:remains,if=(spell_targets=2|spell_targets=3)&effective_combo_points>=(cp_max_spend-1)&energy.regen_combined>20+(15*raid_event.adds.up|spell_targets=3)&(!cooldown.deathmark.ready|dot.rupture.ticking)&remains<2
# Crimson Tempest in general aoe, lowering the energy threshold and accounting for growing target counts to refresh earlier
actions.dot+=/crimson_tempest,target_if=min:remains,if=(spell_targets>=4&spell_targets<=8)&effective_combo_points>=(cp_max_spend-1)&energy.regen_combined>22+(5*talent.amplifying_poison)&(!cooldown.deathmark.ready|dot.rupture.ticking)&remains<(3.5+(1.5*spell_targets-4)+(10*raid_event.adds.up)-(0.5*spell_targets*(talent.amplifying_poison&debuff.amplifying_poison.stack>=11)))
# Crimson Tempest in large aoe, reverting back to maintaining the bleed as the instant damage has diminishing returns on higher target counts
actions.dot+=/crimson_tempest,target_if=min:remains,if=spell_targets>=9&effective_combo_points>=(cp_max_spend-1)&energy.regen_combined>22&(!cooldown.deathmark.ready|dot.rupture.ticking)&refreshable
no
balmy condor
here's the crimson tempest logic
balmy condor
no no
the logic is +2.5%
if you don't take PB
the moment you do
this is a loss
nocturne current
Just imagine the tank moves the mobs away.
uncut echo
Honey I've fucked more wild spirits than should be allowed by blizzard
I'm a war criminal at this point
marble hemlock
whats the logic, even? 20energy/sec?
balmy condor
you need a certain amount of energy/sec and time remaining on CT
marble hemlock
hmye
balmy condor
as you get more targets, you can refresh CT earlier and earlier
marble hemlock
how is it not still a gain when you talent PB?
its not like the logic changes
when you play PB
uncut echo
At some point in high target pb just isnt relevant due to ct refresh timer moving higher?
marble hemlock
okay but
balmy condor
or blindside
uncut echo
balmy condor
you say no one but varas exists
ebon garnet
Hi all, I have returned to WoW after a long time away and have made a rogue and boosted it, trying to follow the guide: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/dragonflight-pre-patch
However using the talent builds on that page does not give me access to many mentioned cooldown ability's like Kingsbane and Shadow Dance ?
uncut echo
@ the man
spice spire
no one is gonna play that in m+
Bet (I haven’t read a single word)
nocturne current
Fuck PB.
uncut echo
If ur gonna throw shade like that
sand elm
so just using CT is just more damage than envenom + pb for the same combo points according to the logic?
uncut echo
OH GOD TOO FANTASY
balmy condor
Hi all, I have returned to WoW after a long time away and have made a rogue and ...
correct, because they're bad an not recommended
nocturne current
The tank will just move the mobs away from the PB.
marble hemlock
i dont have to @ anyone
nocturne current
As always happens.
marble hemlock
i have nothing to prove 
sand elm
As always happens.
blood dk is a rune of power class now so just play with those if u run pb
uncut echo
For that shade
marble hemlock
PB duration is too low for tanks to be able to move mobs out of it
but like
is anyone under the illusion we're gonna play smth other than dtb in m+? if so, why?
nocturne current
blood dk is a rune of power class now so just play with those if u run pb <:kekd...
balmy condor
is anyone under the illusion we're gonna play smth other than dtb in m+? if so, ...
I do, because I have hidden knowledge
ebon garnet
correct, because they're bad an not recommended
I see so ignore them in this list then ?
balmy condor
(I don't)
balmy condor
I see so ignore them in this list then ?
that's just an overview of abilities that exist
marble hemlock
the hidden knowledge is to not play assa in the first place
nocturne current
PB is good, in theory account all mobs are stacked, including casters and shit, most of times without grip there's a caster or two 4 or 5 yards away from the mobs.
ebon garnet
the hidden knowledge is to not play assa in the first place
well what should i play ?
