assassination

[balmy condor]

might just end it all and become a maplestory player bro

cba with this shit

[spice spire]

Whíspyr pls

[drifting cloud]

but yeah going up another 150 gonna be tough

[balmy condor]

don't worry

we have an additional 6 hours

total

in our prog

[drifting cloud]

my guild is so different than from sepulcher

and hc+mythic gonna hurt us for sure

well depends how hc tuning is, but I guess with m+ unlocking aswell now

maybe hc will be super breeze

[balmy condor]

I think blizzard just unlocking everything at once to teach the community a lesson

"you see why we do staggered release now? stfu you lil shits"

[drifting cloud]

I mean tbh hc week is kinda boring lets be real

but id still prefer it over this I guess

[balmy condor]

98% of guilds don't clear heroic week 1 anyway

[drifting cloud]

yeah I know, but its mostly because of gear

or overtuned stuff

2nd week you blast threw

[balmy condor]

yeah so now you get that twice because now you get to experience the same nonsense in mythic

[drifting cloud]

now if the guild is playing m+ you will get shitalods of ilvl just between raids

so for us 4 days between raids

[drifting cloud]

and since first raid is thursday thats 40h before that one aswell

[nocturne current]

From the same table as yours but by going Nightstalker.

[balmy condor]

thats 30 lower

40 actually

and nightstalker instead of what

[drifting cloud]

then its just gonna be time management where you see how many bosses you realistically kill in mythic week1

[nocturne current]

But you're a dead man alive basically.

[balmy condor]

oh you drop cheat

wait

you drop cheat and it's still worse

nightstalker very banger talent

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

BRO IM WHEEZING

IT CANT TELL IF NIGHTSTALKER IS BETTER DPS THAN CHEAT DEATH

[nocturne current]

❤️

[balmy condor]

HAHAHAHAHA

[oak sky]

Because garrote from stealth

[nocturne current]

It was just the left table you can get nightstalker.. but..

[hollow river]

something has to be wrong there no?

[oak sky]

Isnt it a 0 talent

Without dance

[nocturne current]

You're a gambler basically.

But glad to see such boost actually.

[balmy condor]

no it's just so irrelevant that the sim isn't accurate enough to tell the difference

[nocturne current]

Wait what.

2k +

[balmy condor]

that's the crit fix

raidbots updated

[hollow river]

does garrote not gain dmg from nightstalker through vanish?

[balmy condor]

it does

for 1 whole seconds

nightstalker doesn't snapshot anymore

[hollow river]

oh i thought bleeds used to snapshot it

oh

that's cringe

af

[balmy condor]

yeh got changed cause dance on tree and stuff

but like

[hollow river]

actual 0% talent without that

[balmy condor]

I mean it's 0% even with it

4% damage on one garrote every 2 minutes

G I G A

[nocturne current]

Lol

[hollow river]

it's actually 0.04%

[balmy condor]

garrote doing 10% overall dps

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

4% damage permanently would be 0.4%

but it's not permanently

it's on 3 garrotes the whole fight

[drifting cloud]

more dmg!

[balmy condor]

HUGE!

[drifting cloud]

take everything you can get

[balmy condor]

might be 0.15%

[hollow river]

(i was hoping you'd catch my sarcasm, but here we are)

[balmy condor]

I didn't even read what you wrote tbh

[hollow river]

oh pog

[balmy condor]

I was too busy laughing while putting numbers in my calculator

[drifting cloud]

only do this after being the optimal race and having a gaming chair

[hollow river]

lmao

[balmy condor]

racials more important than nightstalker

someone put it in a clickbait youtube title

[oak sky]

45 energy

[balmy condor]

I'll do like a screamo surprised face

big fat red letters in the thumbnail

REAL??

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

holy fuck right side class tree is actually just dogshit after dogshit

[hollow river]

not enough stealth and ambush synergies

[balmy condor]

tight spender is mid, nightstalker is 0dps, imp ambush requires you to play blindside, but even if you were to play dance, you only play dance in aoe, where you don't play blindside, so uh, L talent, soothing darkness L defensive, find weakness mid talent to buff auto attacks huge pog, also how are you proccing find weakness, using your newfound giga ambushes? nice. and then you get dance, which is pretty decent for aoe

SICK TALENT ROW

7 points and 6 of them are basically worthless

but had to be nerfed into the ground

outlaw ruining all the fun once again

[hollow river]

why is dance decent in aoe

[balmy condor]

imp gar

[hollow river]

ic

[balmy condor]

legit only reason

[honest vessel]

:c dirty pirates

[balmy condor]

now im curious

how bad is a dance build single target with blindside

that's not good

mid precision it already threw all the dance builds into the bin

HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYY

[nocturne current]

Patchwerk?

[balmy condor]

ye

[honest vessel]

sooooo dance is good then c:

[nocturne current]

haha

We're back to cataclysm.

[hollow river]

wow

are these talent imbalances even fixable

kingsbane/DTB and tea/er/dance

[balmy condor]

I mean sure they're fixable

[hollow river]

without breaking other specs with tea/er/dance

[balmy condor]

are they pretty fixes?

probably not

[hollow river]

yeah

could easily fix dance if it had a different effect for each spec

[balmy condor]

like if you crank blindside, crank imp garrote, make find weakness amp bleeds, nightstalker snapshot again

[hollow river]

but that's not very copasetic

[balmy condor]

we might be in business

but 7%

[hollow river]

yeah that could work

[balmy condor]

is a lot of %

[hollow river]

but yeah

and if you crank blindside up more it becomes mandatory

[balmy condor]

well it already is

but yeh

[hollow river]

yes but i mean even moreso ofc

[balmy condor]

yeh

[hollow river]

same with imp garrote

but nightstalker snapshotting i think would be a good thing

for one

[balmy condor]

right now the sin single target meta is sbs/blindside/imp gar/lethal dose/venom rush/exsang/cttc are all must take

[hollow river]

find weakness working on bleeds

[balmy condor]

you cannot make a reasonably strong single target build without those

[hollow river]

should've been a self explanatory change

imo

[balmy condor]

yeh realz was talking about it a while ago

he just legit didn't know it snapshot

unsure if he made a decision on whether to bring it back or not

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

I mean I don't blame him

[hollow river]

how long has he been the rogue dev

i've been wondering

[balmy condor]

he's a designer not a historian

[hollow river]

yeh i don't either ofc

lot's of weird interactions in this game

[balmy condor]

ain't in the job description to know every intricacy of every ability that may have been added 10 years ago and just stuck around

[hollow river]

right

i assume exsang is still snapshotting haste

[balmy condor]

you betcha

god staring at fatal concoction makes me die inside

bloody mess is so much better but you have to compare fatal conc against fucking shadowstep

holy hell I hate that

[hollow river]

are we still looking at taking dtb in slice as well

[balmy condor]

nah I think I killed that

[nocturne current]

Fatal Concotion is Lawful Evil. Exsanguinate is Chaotic Good

[hollow river]

or did the IC+kingsbane become a thing

[balmy condor]

IC on its own

aight well

I'm sad now

[nocturne current]

[honest vessel]

why sad :c

[balmy condor]

cause no shadowstep no bloody mess

[hollow river]

can kingsbane be brought in line by just buffing kingsbane itself more?

[balmy condor]

is real cringe

[hollow river]

or does that break anything else

[balmy condor]

yeah but realz has made clear he'd like to avoid that

[hollow river]

hmm

[balmy condor]

its for sure possible

but kingsbane is already like 1 point for 15%

[hollow river]

yeah

[balmy condor]

so uh

[hollow river]

but what else could be done to make it better

shiv nature%+ ?

[balmy condor]

add a fuck ton of stuff to zold whitelist and then buff it

just unleash zold

add envenom to it

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

lets go

[honest vessel]

no chance the amp env damage is zoldycked is there

[hollow river]

tbh having the best execute in the game would be goodf

[balmy condor]

I mean not right now

[drifting cloud]

do you have the code for the highest build handy whispyr

[hollow river]

assa can be the execute spec instead of the "ST niche"

[honest vessel]

[balmy condor]

yeah let me fish it out of this pile of vomit

cringe no step/mess -> BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINRSCSSUSAAAAAAAkAQSCAAAAAAABp5AlkQSSSaJJikQiECB
0.5% worse step/mess build I will tell people to play instead -> BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINJJJQSUSAAAAAAAkAQSCAAAAAAABp5AlkQSSSaJJiEISkQA

[main solar]

I feel like this shadowstep thing is the exact thing these 2 trees were meant to avoid. Leave the utility stuff for the class tree so that it doesn't get put up against the dps stuff.

[drifting cloud]

hows mfd for assa, m+ or never considered?

[oak sky]

its on a lot of other trees as well unfortunately

[balmy condor]

it's competitive to deeper

[oak sky]

sub outlaw windwalker

[balmy condor]

but you wouldn't ever really play it

cause it's not viable with dtb

and you don't ever play kingsbane

so it's just kinda L

[thorn crater]

alright im fully awake now

[drifting cloud]

but it wouldnt take big changes for alot of this to flip right?

[thorn crater]

what are we losing our minds over this time?

[balmy condor]

go back to bed

it's not worth it

[balmy condor]

for what to flip

kb/dtb?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[balmy condor]

kb is 5% behind brother

[drifting cloud]

oh, ok

[balmy condor]

drop step, gain dps

[drifting cloud]

Ive paid 0 attention to df up until 2days ago

I dont even know how the spec trees for sub and outlaw look

[oak sky]

outlaw good

sub doesnt have a left side

[thorn crater]

i mean, thats not the mind boggling part. the 30% extra bleed dmg being irrelevant is

right?

[drifting cloud]

dont worry agreon

[oak sky]

its 30% bleed damage on what is basically a 3 point node

[drifting cloud]

were like 2 tuning passes away from one tricking again

[oak sky]

dont make me

[balmy condor]

well the comparison is 10% poison application, which is also quite good, and it cancels out the 30% bleed, so then you're stuck comparing 15% poison damage vs shadowstep

[oak sky]

i was gonna be a good boy

[balmy condor]

and that carries the rest

[oak sky]

i was gonna play meta until exsang went away

[drifting cloud]

I wouldnt be if I get the chance

problem is, I cant say sit me now because of atro

[hollow river]

exsang here to stay

[balmy condor]

yeah

I can't get rid of exsang

[oak sky]

yeah i meant until 11.0

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

vanish syncing is like

kinda okay though

[hollow river]

with dm?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[drifting cloud]

how clunky can you play exsang where it still considered youre not botching it

do you actually have to refresh bleeds before everytime or

[hollow river]

think it's just on CD

if you're bleeds aren't in pandemic

iirc

[balmy condor]

you should refresh bleeds before every time

[oak sky]

cev said refresh before earlier

[timid cloud]

I don’t feel so good Mr.Whispyr….

[hollow river]

ooh

[oak sky]

god thats so ass

tbh

[balmy condor]

but its so strong you can probably skip it

and still be better

[oak sky]

the early refresh is like

actually degen

[drifting cloud]

so just refresh rupture only maybe

[oak sky]

people thought 2 finishers before vendetta was degen

i cant even fathom

[balmy condor]

solid day at work

[drifting cloud]

ive raided only like 90min since prepatch and even the bs into bs proc

was a little annoying ngl

[balmy condor]

I found 0.3% of cooldown logic and flared my depression

super cool

[drifting cloud]

wasnt even specced into exsang lmao

[thorn crater]

but isnt it funny that 10% poison application equates to 30% rup garr dmg (lets stop calling it bleed, its a lie)

[balmy condor]

I mean not really

with dtb, poisons do about the same instant damage as gar+rup

[thorn crater]

so rupture is now an energy generator

for talents

[balmy condor]

application rate is a super strong multiplier

talent wise rupture isn't supported in any way with that tree

yes

[thorn crater]

uhm

[drifting cloud]

how do the dashing procs even look with dtb in play

[balmy condor]

bout half of venom rush

[thorn crater]

u remember making that video saying that the assassination tree looks great witha few minor changes?

i member

lol

was it with maximum?

[balmy condor]

I still think that

[thorn crater]

i mean i would think that assassination would have SOME rupture support given how vital it is to everything else the spec does

[balmy condor]

I think bloody mess buff and it’s fine

It’s 0.5% worse

[drifting cloud]

wouldnt a rupture buff acomplish the same thing

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s also fine

[thorn crater]

wouldnt a mastery equation to sub also do that?

[balmy condor]

Wdym

[thorn crater]

i mean i remember u saying something about the overall % per mastery point

between assassination and sub

[balmy condor]

Yeah point for point sub gains more rupture damage per mastery

[thorn crater]

there is a formula with a % right?

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s like 35 mastery is a mastery point, and a mastery point is a certain %

Or something like that

[drifting cloud]

well mastery would buff poisons aswell, would maybe be too much?

[thorn crater]

i think its 1,7something to 2,3 something?

[balmy condor]

It wouldn’t do anything to the balance

It buffs poisons and bleeds equally

[thorn crater]

no i mean since mastery buffs the entire spec wouldnt that change also move us in a positive direction?

[balmy condor]

Would actually just grow the gap

[drifting cloud]

wait how would assa mastery buff grow the gap

[balmy condor]

Well if the gap between the cringe and the bloody mess is 200 dps

And you buff both poison and bleed equally

They both go up

While maintaining the same % difference

[drifting cloud]

oh you mean that gap I thought you meant between specs

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[drifting cloud]

I guess bloody mess is kinda designed to be always taken just because of its position?

and now you got this

[nocturne current]

Atleast the talent fits the name.

[balmy condor]

There’s kinda 3 problems right now

1. Exsang is bonkers compared to the other options (also kinda applies to sbs and blindside but those are more beloved)
2. Fatal conc competes with shadowstep apparently because bloody mess and imp poison are basically equal so step takes the L
3. Kingsbane and carnage are heavy struggling against dtb in their respective areas

[drifting cloud]

oh yeah last question because I see youre already on phone, is alacrity uptime 100% at 70?

[balmy condor]

No it’s closer to 90

[drifting cloud]

I was using afenar and it was annoying me when it fell off because it was positioned in the centre but I was just mashing buttons tbh

[balmy condor]

Hovering between 85-90

Depending on how you play it

[nocturne current]

I don't get why they put Bloody Mess after Shadowstep instead of... a decent Master Assassin or something.

[balmy condor]

Shadowstep on class tree should’ve been 2 pointer

[main solar]

Fatal conc could probably use a buff on its own though right? So buff bloody mess even more! We need it anyways

[thorn crater]

that would be too strong for outlaw though no?

[main solar]

Baseline shadowstep, class tree makes it 2 charges.

[balmy condor]

Would you believe me if I said it’s a nerf to outlaw

[thorn crater]

having 2 shadowsteps and one chain

is a nerf?\

[balmy condor]

Yes

Because that’s a second point they have to invest

Or they have to use a utility point to skip past it

So they either have to put in a second point

Or they have to avoid it entirely

Sin and sub would have compensation because you remove step from their trees and replace with a damage talent

So outlaw has worse pathing and sin/sub get compensated

[main solar]

Fatal conc already made it seem like they were struggling to find talents to fill spots though. Not sure what they'd come up with to replace shadowstep

Oh I know, seal fate

[balmy condor]

Also double shadowstep and grapple hook is very outlaw thematic because they’re the toe-to-toe brawler, I’m just giving them more opportunities to be that

[vestal wren]

class tree has at least for subtlety the big issue of dps vs. utility

so even with 2 steps on the tree you would skip step

[balmy condor]

Yeah probably would for sub

Sub wants everything

[vestal wren]

and given that you also skip step in non pure single target on the spec tree

[balmy condor]

Kinda unlucky

[vestal wren]

means the current layout just makes subtlety utility straight out worse than in SL

[jade abyss]

Is sub dmg wise in a good spot?

[vestal wren]

you gain ~3-4% dps by skipping utility on subtlety

outlaw gains ~1% max, what is in a area you cba

assassination gains nothing because nightstalker is a zero dps trait unless you go with dance
(what is atm not the best choice iirc)

[twilit venture]

what new talents should i be running for mythic + and raids as i heard talent trees changed

[balmy condor]

Wowhead has guides for prepatch

With talent suggestions

[main solar]

The outlaw talents

[twilit venture]

gotcha just didn’t know how accurate those were found when i played wowhead was kinda mid

[drifting cloud]

depends whos writing the guide

[balmy condor]

I won’t hold it against you :P

[twilit venture]

do you write the guides 😳

[jade abyss]

SinWowhead is written by whispyr (insert title here) x)

[balmy condor]

Assassination ye

Wowhead and method

The other specs are handled by the other big boys in each of their channels

Fuu is lead theorycrafter on sub

[twilit venture]

i won’t lie - haven’t even search wow head to look at the new ones last i played was the first 2 weeks of the new raid after castle N

[timid cloud]

No, he’s just a random guy we send to do our Sims. (For legal purposes this is a joke.)

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

Back to the dslice salt mines!

[timid cloud]

LMAO

[twilit venture]

i was stonedtobone- stormrage when i played

[balmy condor]

I Love 30 hours of crimson tempest logic

[timid cloud]

Koji’s basement.

[balmy condor]

POGGGGGGERS

[jade abyss]

Better salt mines instead acid mines

[timid cloud]

I’m so full of knives, YUM!

[balmy condor]

CT sims are so fun and epic

[twilit venture]

i was kind of a big deal back in my prime (jokes)

[vestal wren]

may the brute force be strong with you

[timid cloud]

How many targets until we spam CT?

[balmy condor]

Ty

[jade abyss]

Bring back echoing blades

[balmy condor]

Write logic -> it’s the wrong number

[vestal wren]

it is simple

just write the correct number

[balmy condor]

Man I wish

[modern girder]

what is deathly? from the pinned messages?

[balmy condor]

There’s also just like

[balmy condor]

Deathly shadows

[modern girder]

thanks

[balmy condor]

No way to know what the number should be

Until you brute force it

Sims like “oh refresh at 5 instead of 7, yeah great idea!”

[vestal wren]

assassination again not following the meta of dust

[balmy condor]

And you’re like

Pog

It wanted 5 instead of 7

[vestal wren]

some things in simulations are just guess work and brute force

[balmy condor]

Logic works great, but number too high so it’s bad

Fucking dumb

[vestal wren]

not all changes, the majority is not

but brute forcing your way through those is quite time expensive

[balmy condor]

I changed a 2 to a 1.5 and it gained me 2% in dslice

[twilit venture]

did dragon flight drop or we still in pre patch?

[balmy condor]

Prepatch

[twilit venture]

so i don’t need to buy it yet to play full game

[balmy condor]

Uhhhhh

Not sure

[twilit venture]

oofers

[balmy condor]

Would need shadowlands to go into the base game

Idk if that happens in prepatch

[twilit venture]

ya i got shadowlands

[balmy condor]

Then you should be okay I think

[vestal wren]

for what spell?

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest

[main solar]

Think shadowlands is part of the base game now

[balmy condor]

I’ve been on a week long crusade to balance CT/poison bomb/rupture in aoe

Cause poison bomb is relevant now

And CT got a 125% buff out of nowhere

Also the CT lines had checks for a bunch of legendaries that don’t exist anymore that were gumming up the logic

So the baseline had to change too

It’s been…. A process

And then it’s like 3% in dslice but oh wait! Hectic add cleave is -6%

That’s no good

[timid cloud]

Having PB be all of our AOE would be like Legion levels of strong, no?

[balmy condor]

Gotta figure out why that’s a thing

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

But it’s been fun

I opened up the CT lines to spam a little harder

Got 2.5% in dslice, solid 1%+ gains in sustained aoe

Bout 1.5% in hectic add cleave

Real good stuff

And then I talent poison bomb

-6% dslice

Great

-10% hac

Perfect

-3% in cleave

Fantastic

Time for more logic -> number wrong -> fiddle with number till it’s happy

[main solar]

But what if you talent shadowstep

[twilit venture]

what mythic + can i do as a 266😂

[balmy condor]

Perish

[balmy condor]

Probably like a 6 or 7 but if you’re pugging the key, you can probably do nothing

[twilit venture]

not the news i wanted to hear

[balmy condor]

Time for some friends

[twilit venture]

no one in guild be on rn

rip

[balmy condor]

Double unlucky

[twilit venture]

got@into a. 2 let’s see how she goes

[balmy condor]

Pog

Valor grind

[vestal wren]

been working on my weakauras yesterday a bit

you want to see my setup?

[timid cloud]

You’re telling me I’m not gonna have shadowstep x2?

[fallen arch]

I’ve been loving having 2 steps

Cannot live without no more

[balmy condor]

Sure

[fallen arch]

I’d constantly kill myself

[balmy condor]

Is it just outlaw wa’s

Fuu I swear

If you just link outlaw wa’s

[vestal wren]

this is what i have atm 🙂

[balmy condor]

Oh

[vestal wren]

its subtlety

[fallen arch]

That looks cool

[balmy condor]

I was about to be really upset

[timid cloud]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

But yeah that’s sick

[fallen arch]

Fun

[balmy condor]

How do they show on cd?

[fallen arch]

Orange names going at it in sin channel

[balmy condor]

Seem a little skinny

[timid cloud]

Why is Kik…

Just add in the C…

[fallen arch]

Kik@is misspelled ye haha

[timid cloud]

Got me MAD

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-no-no-embed-megamind-megamind-meme-gif-25261934

[fallen arch]

Also feint bigger tile than important stuff

[balmy condor]

You want 0.5% dps?

[timid cloud]

No.

[drifting cloud]

its 0.3% !!

[timid cloud]

Goodbye.

[vestal wren]

^ clip from yesterday with use/cooldown

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

I get the Fuu setup though. Thin cards for the top, since it’s a lot, condensed.

[fallen arch]

Ye make a sin one

[timid cloud]

Thicker for the bottom.

[balmy condor]

I need to get around to making wa’s

[fallen arch]

Ye utility coolies only visible when on cd I guess?

[vestal wren]

i probably will make the setup for sin/law too

[balmy condor]

But the sim mines call

They beckon

[timid cloud]

Fuu is a man of culture, I like them thicc on the bottom.

[balmy condor]

Not this month

[eager sorrel]

Can I get a rupture finality timer on there too please 🥺

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

i haven't had the utility ones set up in the clip

[timid cloud]

Nonstop Nut November. Destroy Dick December.

[fallen arch]

The new Luxthos one is lacking some stuff

[timid cloud]

Gonna be us cranking in raid.

I like the Afenar one.

[main solar]

How do you track charges?

[fallen arch]

Like, the CT tile is super smol

[timid cloud]

I’m a simple man.

[vestal wren]

haven't decided yet, i have 2 ideas.
either use a texture like for the crafting quality stuff or just a number

the wa is high enough to fit a 3rd number at the top

this would be texture thing i talk about

[main solar]

That's actually kinda neat

[vestal wren]

0.3%*

[timid cloud]

What’re those?

[main solar]

Originally i was going to do little progress bars for each charge under mine. But that ends up not playing well with dynamic groups at all

[vestal wren]

basically the crafting regents have quality now

and those are the textures for the quality ranks

[timid cloud]

Ohhhhh

I gotta mess with crafting.

[vestal wren]

https://wago.io/egl9v385e

is a weakaura that already implements them

[thorn crater]

btw @balmy condor when u finish ur WAs for release i want them

its the closest ive seen to what i want, ill just move them around after XD

[steel ridge]

good morning bois and girls and knives

[thorn crater]

fuu, what professions are u getting? alchemy?

[steel ridge]

exsang still there?

[main solar]

Still there

[vestal wren]

i will take the and stick with engineering

[thorn crater]

if ure taking an F what am i taking with LW?

[vestal wren]

sunk cost problem

[thorn crater]

wanna scalp those evokerboys

i believe the term is scalies?

[vestal wren]

haha ^^

[thorn crater]

i dno i feel like its agood plan

to focus on mail LW

[vestal wren]

probably not a bad decision

[thorn crater]

its either that

or general LW

to focus on high quality reagent crafting

[main solar]

Most professions will likely do pretty well

Though im not sure wth inscription even does anymore

[vestal wren]

i wish you could have 3 professions at once.
one for gathering
one that does not require a gathering profession
one that does require one

having 2 and one of them does require a gathering profession you don't have sucks

[thorn crater]

ye skinning on a rogue is rough ngl

[main solar]

Im alch enchanting

[vestal wren]

enchanting + engineering for me

[thorn crater]

isnt enchanting kind of oof right now?

[eager sorrel]

Alchemy get the passive this expansion?haven't bothered to check yet.

[thorn crater]

inscription gonna get the buckbuck early on

[vestal wren]

idk, professions in DF look to be a lot more time consuming

[thorn crater]

with the decks

[vestal wren]

i am not sure if the profession update is a W

[eager sorrel]

And engineering is pretty good for rousing farm apparently

[thorn crater]

exactly, and u cant really do everything

[vestal wren]

thats fine

[thorn crater]

those resurrection bracers are gonna be lit

cope

[vestal wren]

my issue rly is that i am not sure how to progress in a crafting profession

while keeping enchanting

[thorn crater]

drop enchanting then?

[eager sorrel]

Real money week 1 is going to be profession equipment

[thorn crater]

LW crafts at least one for every profession

lul

[vestal wren]

ye thats the problem, i can't do that

[eager sorrel]

Mmhmmm

Legacy recipes?

[thorn crater]

why

[vestal wren]

my guild/gf needs enchanting, so i take the L to cover that

[thorn crater]

drop engiineering then

get some mining

[main solar]

Time to make a gathering alt

[thorn crater]

if u dont pvp u wont really notice

[vestal wren]

drop jeeves, blingtron, wormhole, etc... sunken cost problem

[eager sorrel]

2, don't forget about refining those mats early

[thorn crater]

jeeves is not necessary anymore

u get the hammer from BS

[main solar]

Lets go with 3 to be safe

[eager sorrel]

Hear me out, mailbox for radinax

[eager sorrel]

Unironically the right play for mining

[vestal wren]

^ mailbox def. is a good one too

[thorn crater]

u dont need a mailbox either

u will have at least one nightborne

those things are overrated nowadays

all craftable items +mounts

[eager sorrel]

Radinax is king for DF leveling :P

Stamina is so feel bad until you collect seals

[vestal wren]

i get your conclusion sangreal, i just preferer having the engineering benefits if that's okay with you

[thorn crater]

no ofc im not trying to pressure u lmao

just saying

[eager sorrel]

Are the court of stars profession bonuses still a thing? Didn't test last week at all

[vestal wren]

i don't see why they would remove them

iirc there are also profession bonuses in the new dungeons

i haven't found out what you can unlock exactly tho

[eager sorrel]

Fair, no shot academy doesn't have something scribe related

[steel ridge]

man what is this fuckery with action button on key up

where is this option

i dont wanna hit a macro every single time i log in

[subtle tundra]

wow this was a quick fix from last night

[vernal adder]

they do quick fixes?

[subtle tundra]

no, probably just a coincidence

[thorn crater]

it wasnt a coincidence

i think it was cev that pinged realz about this?

not sure though one of the green dudes told him 😛

[subtle tundra]

ik just a coincidence they rolled out a hotfix today

[sharp falcon]

makes a good point

[oak sky]

bro how did you find that

?????

[subtle tundra]

he reads i guess

[oak sky]

that was like hours ago

hours and hours

[balmy condor]

he's catching up

demon hours

[subtle tundra]

its 11:32 AM, its morning ill have you know

[sharp falcon]

Occasionally, I will be gone, away from computer. Or I'll be playing vidya games for many hours (usually the latter). Then when I'm winding down, I might read... yeah

[balmy condor]

realz just scanning the discord ctrl+f random talents

[oak sky]

tbh i think im gonna go to bed at less demon hours tonight im getting sick and my chest feels like it has an anvil on it or smth

no 5 am chatting for me

[sharp falcon]

ctrl+f 'momentum' my favorite

but 'exsang' is growing

[oak sky]

oh did you ctrl f cold bloo

d

im probably there a lot

[sharp falcon]

no, this is jokes

i dont frequently ctrl + f, i just read

[oak sky]

ic

[subtle tundra]

im going to sleep early just to wake up at the same time i usually do but sleep a fuckload and feel tired when i wake up

[oak sky]

set an alarm

[subtle tundra]

alarms dont work on me

[oak sky]

how do you survive work/school

[balmy condor]

can you ctrl+f a couple tooltip fixes so I can stop telling people kingsbane "lethal poison" is not a deathmark dupe poison

[nocturne current]

I spent whole night sim'ing tables to end up in disappointment that I'm running out of buttons.

[subtle tundra]

i can only get up when there's a necessity, i cant just get up cause i want to wake up earlier. my brain doesnt compute

[nocturne current]

I don't wanna play Blindside.

[subtle tundra]

well

[sharp falcon]

tooltips are touchy in just-before-patch release windows, like recently-and-now... if it's not an emergency, it probably has to wait a while

[subtle tundra]

play exsanguinate

[balmy condor]

[sharp falcon]

also what do u mean

[subtle tundra]

oh wait its a new day i have an idea

[sharp falcon]

about kingsbane

[subtle tundra]

delete exsanguinate

[nocturne current]

Yeah I have Exs, but Blindside makes me sad.

[balmy condor]

well this says "lethal poison"

[sharp falcon]

please xplain

yes

[balmy condor]

and this says "lethal poisons"

[sharp falcon]

oh

LOL

[balmy condor]

and a lethal poison

[sharp falcon]

god

[balmy condor]

is a lethal poison

[sharp falcon]

are all other references to "lethal poison" capitalized?

[balmy condor]

frozensoviet has a whole shitlist of tooltip nonsense let me see if I can find it

[balmy condor]

bro I'm a music major I don't do english idk

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck? a music major?

[sharp falcon]

I don't love that it uses the same words but I'm pretty sure "Lethal Poison" and "Non-Lethal Poison" are capitalized

[subtle tundra]

youre too smart for that

[oak sky]

music is really mathy low key

[sharp falcon]

you'd be surprised how many brilliant people get drawn in by music, starving artists, it's a saying for a reason

[balmy condor]

he's chasing whitelists

my mans on a mission

[jade abyss]

Has deathmark a bleeding tag?

[balmy condor]

it does!

[nocturne current]

Lol the Sepsis one.

[sharp falcon]

lethal dose should for sure work on kingsbane, any nature or bleed DoT should

does it really not?

im almost positive it does

[balmy condor]

Idk I didn't double check him on his rant

I think it does as well

[jade abyss]

I dont even care about pvp but evokers have bleed dispel?

[sharp falcon]

im willing to make a note of all this and double check of course, we know of a couple bugs

[balmy condor]

do you know of the bug that makes kingsbane -5%

to dtb

[sharp falcon]

what ?

[balmy condor]

I'm willing to report that one

yeah so if you skip shadowstep and bloody mess

and just do this instead

the best kingsbane set up is just getting smashed

like out of the park

[oak sky]

we love skipping step

[balmy condor]

I was thinking imp poison would have to compete with shrouded

but I missed that you can just decide to forgo step

[jade abyss]

No kb?

[balmy condor]

and then claim that 15% weapon poison beats shadowstep

and just chill

[subtle tundra]

well step is not really needed, you just play 1 charge

[balmy condor]

yeah it's a lil weird tho isn't it

[subtle tundra]

its weird cause you need step to get bloody mess, i agree

[balmy condor]

you got 3 points and your options are step into bloody mess, or 3 poison damage nodes

[subtle tundra]

bloody mess is a 3 point investment for 2 dps points

[grim breach]

Skipping step is skipping the garrotte/rupture dmg, is that wise?

[balmy condor]

sim says you're cranking

do you like cranking

[grim breach]

I love it

[balmy condor]

then it seems pretty wise to me

[grim breach]

Something seems of if we are cranking without a direct buff to our main dots

[balmy condor]

poisons are dots

well

kinda

[night delta]

Passive dmg

[balmy condor]

1/4 damage sources is a dot

[subtle tundra]

hmmm m+ testing going on, after gym maybe some m+ assa stream like a boss?

[balmy condor]

varas playing sin in 2022

[nocturne current]

Are you running Tea or Stratagem in prepatch Varas, in m+?

[subtle tundra]

DS always

tea maybe you can skip in m+

[balmy condor]

asking varas for talent help is shaky ground

[night delta]

If the dtb setup and kb setup are 5% apart, I guess we're not that far from the "meaningful choice" sweetspot

[oak sky]

no seal fate

[subtle tundra]

bro but shadow dance feels so good with IC surely its good

[nocturne current]

And wire.

[balmy condor]

1 point dashing no keystone gaming

lets go

[night delta]

Just a few touches here and there and it's good2go, no ?

[nocturne current]

Ah wait, nah fuck that.

I'm night elf.

[balmy condor]

what kind of meaningful choice is 5% apart

[subtle tundra]

ill have you know on raid clear ive never been last on dps meters

[nocturne current]

Ain't no time for shadow dance.

[night delta]

Did I say we were there though

[balmy condor]

well I'd hope you're beating at least 1 of the healers

[subtle tundra]

they were crankin

[balmy condor]

I mean it's 5% away from meaningful choice

if you don't play kingsbane in single target

where in gods name do you play it

[subtle tundra]

IC + KB m+ setup

[balmy condor]

shut the fuck up varas

[subtle tundra]

🥰

[night delta]

Again, didn't say we were at that point yet gee

[balmy condor]

I feel deja vu

[night delta]

But 5% is one or two small ability / talent buffs away

[sharp falcon]

If all of Frozen's contentions are true, I'd be very surprised

[subtle tundra]

zoldyck also sucks for prog cause its a lot of dps you dont have until late into prog

[balmy condor]

good instinct to have

[oak sky]

💀

[subtle tundra]

but zoldyck also good cause execute is poggers on some bosses

[nocturne current]

Zoldyck sucked in every sim I ran.

[oak sky]

This is what happens when you transplant an american to the uk

You get frozensoviet

[balmy condor]

marmite 💀

[subtle tundra]

@sharp falcon cant sbs get changed to have unity 2 target cleave into it please please im willing to sacrifice exsanguinate for it

[night delta]

Also I like simping on KB too but let's be real, if KB build is 2% off it'll still have uses, because execute and burst are valuable

So a couple ups and there we go

[balmy condor]

idk, it's a little tricky, cause dragon tempered is competing with kingsbane in single target, but then it's also competing with IC in aoe, and it's currently winning one of those battles and coming real close to the other, but if it loses both you don't play that either

also twist the knife may as well not exist :/

[subtle tundra]

add 5% envenom dmg to it im so smart

[balmy condor]

you're almost describing amp poison

just a little more varas

[sharp falcon]

"CB not on bleeds" - good, it shouldn't
"CB not on KB" - good, it shouldn't
"DM not on KB" - good, it shouldn't, although the extra poison applications during DM effectively double KB's growth, so it still "works" in some way, and is a fantastic combo
"Zoldyck not on KB" - it should, pretty sure it is, willing to be wrong and will check
"Zoldyck not on poison" - it should, and yes the tooltip could be more clear here, but anything your Mastery affects should affect Zoldyck
"bomb/envenom despite dashing working" - not sure what this means, but dashing should just be weapon poisons, again needs more clarity (yes I see the theme here)
"lethal dose not on KB" - it should be, pretty sure it is, willing to be wrong and will check
"[sepsis words]" - again clarity theme, that would help, but it's not random at all lethal dose is more clear than some historic examples of spelling out what it does/should work with ("nature damage over time" that should be pretty clear)

[subtle tundra]

no way im not giving people ideas for free

[sharp falcon]

is has 3 charges it can be 3 target cleave if u want m8

[subtle tundra]

even better i will take that

delete exsang

[sharp falcon]

SBS target #1, tab, SBS target #2, etc

i believe in u

[subtle tundra]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[grim breach]

It would have made life easier in M+ AoE, tbh, without spending 3 globals spreading it

[subtle tundra]

well you still want to use all charges asap, just wont swap targets that much

[viscid spear]

Tab targeting SBS

[night delta]

spending 3 globals sending out trucks to hit on the ennemy faces is not a loss imo

The dot is honestly an added bonus on trash

[balmy condor]

the dashing thing is used to give the crit chance to envenom/pb as well (think it doesn't anymore), essentially counting as 15% envenom/pb crit chance, and that's a "crit chance of your poisons", but then zoldyck is a "poisons deal increased damage" and that's not an envenom/pb

[sharp falcon]

it did, yep

it's a tangled mess ngl

[balmy condor]

oh yeah

love that

not my problem though

[sharp falcon]

I briefly considered 'make everything work with everything all the time' but I'm glad I didn't

[balmy condor]

when you said dance should work with everything I was a little sus

[sharp falcon]

if you are in stealth, and you have a combat bonus associated with that, dance should also provide that bonus as if you were in stealth. Not ENTERING stealth, not LEAVING stealth... just while-in-stealth bonuses

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean you ENTER dance and LEAVE dance, but I get it

riding thin on the technicality

but I get it

[sharp falcon]

I think it's pretty clear but I get it

[grim breach]

With regards to DTB and King, would it not have been more elegant to place on a choice capstone and converge both their trees into it? Right now it's like the illusion of choice. Or would it seem too off for assa to have only two cap choices? Which we kinda do end up with anyway.

[sharp falcon]

"isnt being invisible the foremost combat bonus of being in stealth, why doesnt dance give me that?" -- no one's asked yet

[balmy condor]

dancing isn't very stealthy though

[nocturne current]

Wait SD is 8 sec cooldown, what.

[vernal adder]

rogues doing capoiera?

[balmy condor]

yeah 6 second buff 8 second cooldown

[night delta]

Well i for one would like to crank in arenas while invisible

[balmy condor]

you're definitely reading that right

[sharp falcon]

if your point is to recognize there are imperfections in the assassin talent tree, I'll agree with you there

[subtle tundra]

a 1 point imperfection...

[balmy condor]

I mean at least exsang is doing dam

have you seen flying daggers

[limber lion]

Yeh doomblade bad

[sharp falcon]

as to solutions or suggestions, you're welcome to give me your opinion but I'm unlikely to discuss it much, we'll just have to see what the future holds, knowing that for now what we have is (I hope) pretty fun, and there's some interesting things to explore and do

[subtle tundra]

doomblade has circle around it

ohhhh actives have square and passives have circles

wowwwww

WOOO

[night delta]

Realz, does the team have a philosophy regarding the advantages and disadvantages of certain DPS profiles (mainly burst versus sustain), and how it should affect balance ?

[sharp falcon]

maybe

(yw)

[balmy condor]

I just want to say it's very fun and I'm enjoying it and also you did it all wrong and bad and what was the thought process behind making bad talents :<<<<<<<<

[subtle tundra]

there's only 2 types of talents, good ones and exsang

[viscid spear]

If you dance like a crazy person, people will ignore you

[balmy condor]

council was fun though

I enjoyed sin

in all of it's messy glory

[subtle tundra]

did you enjoy dtb or ic more?

[vernal adder]

you kill that boss whisp? was it like 3 bosses

[balmy condor]

I think IC on 4 is a little weird but it did about the same

maybe just need to get used to it

[balmy condor]

oh god no

it's mythic testing

we got like 2 min in and then got SMASHED

we also had a guy sign up to our group

that was like

"I'm top 50 evoker heal world"

and we're like

uh

what

[vernal adder]

it be like that ig

[viscid spear]

Dude's speedrunning

[night delta]

"are you guys CE ? wanna test my mettle"

[steel ridge]

yes please

[nocturne current]

We get 1 min IC and SBS tabbing expansion pack.

Boomkin gets AoE sunfires.

[subtle tundra]

we also get exsang bleed refresh simulator

[nocturne current]

APM inflation. Do more for less damage.

[vernal adder]

the more important question is, have realz and whisp had a good nights rest yet?

[nocturne current]

Why Sepsis exists even.

[vernal adder]

in game?

[balmy condor]

if he's up when I'm up, the answer is prolly no

[vernal adder]

damn

[subtle tundra]

add unity to sepsis so its good

[steel ridge]

realz is only allowed to sleep once exsang is deleted

[subtle tundra]

im just spitballin

[sinful spear]

guys I've got a question: how do u play the 2nd cd window on sin?

do u wait for vanish before going into DM to get the most out of the doubled improved garrote?

[nocturne current]

Yeah

[viscid spear]

You act like he hasn't turned off all alerts in this Discord

[vernal adder]

I do that and im just a random person

[viscid spear]

Naw, you're Ramlu

[oak sky]

Ill never play sin again

Add septic shock conduit and ill accept it

[nocturne current]

Even Expose Armor was more fun than Exsanguinate.

[night delta]

Congrats, you've now got budget Kingsbane

[oak sky]

Dont care

Toxic onslaught is a dogshit leggo effect

[nocturne current]

I found 0 uses for Sepsis.

[oak sky]

Yeah we know its bad

Move on

[honest vessel]

maybe if we leaned into the reset aspect and had it fill a mfd + poison kinda niche

would have an interesting synergy with zold

[nocturne current]

It should just throw you back into stealth. I never understood the free ability.. cool a whole Ambush...

[honest vessel]

i think the issue there is pvp

heckin minigame ruinin our fun

but another in combat restealth would be very big

so i understand

[nocturne current]

I mean is it..

Sub Nelf already has 100 restealths don't think it's that much of an issue.

[honest vessel]

im pretty sure throughout slands nf was the play because you could just soulshape away and restealth

idk im definitely no pvp expert

how does sub get extra restealths?

[nocturne current]

I think Vanish has another charge

[honest vessel]

no

thats a new talent

[nocturne current]

Or atleast give Sepsis empowered Garrote or something, like this is just sad.

[honest vessel]

agree, it has room to grow

[marble hemlock]

It needed a redesign from the first moment of it's birth

[honest vessel]

ye

[nocturne current]

Wait does it actually work? I thoguht you really needed to be in stealth for it to be improved.

[honest vessel]

nah it works, p sure it works with MA too

it didn't at first

but that's the intent as realz put it i believe

[nocturne current]

Tooltip is confusing because it says you can use a stealth ability, but.. IG says when used from stealth so.. in my view they're still exclusive from one another. But let me test.

Between, using an stealth ability and being in stealth, kinda messed up.

[honest vessel]

ye the wording can be goofy

[nocturne current]

Nah I tried, doesn't work.

It's still a standard garrote. (pre-patch)

But maybe they redesigned it for dragonflight.

No clue.

[balmy condor]

it definitely should work

[limber lion]

Okay I just tested it and it does not work in the live game and only the damage amp works in the beta.

[balmy condor]

pog

[limber lion]

Some spaghetti going on because it definitely worked properly previously without incurring cd and granting SS effects as well iirc

[balmy condor]

I love tracking bugs across beta and live and ptr and all of them different

[limber lion]

yeh fun stuff

[vivid blade]

hi all, after the rupture/garrote buffs and scent of blood buffs, is IC better for m+ or is DtB still better?

[limber lion]

depends on what you want to do and which dungeon

Some dungeons have large aoe pulls where IC is better and some dungeons are on the smaller side where you don't get much use out of it

DTB is generally probably better for most dungeons because it still cranks in single target and helps AoE as well, whereas IC is strictly for AOE only

[next arch]

Where is DTBs value coming from?

Energy Regen and flat damage from the additional poison?

[balmy condor]

poison damage good and poison do thing like buff envenom good and dashing good and energy good and lethal dose good

[next arch]

Poison good?

[balmy condor]

looks good to me

12% deadly, and then like 15% amp?

makes dtb at least 12% right off the bat just from that

[next arch]

It's "competing" with kingsbane right?

[balmy condor]

in single target

and IC in aoe

yes

[next arch]

And it's out performing KB? What about IC?

[balmy condor]

it's outperforming IC

well

I guess depends on your definition of "outperforming"

[next arch]

So it's just the talent to take at current time? (Assuming nothing changes once we have access to it)

[balmy condor]

it's beating IC in dungeonslice

if you sim 8 target 1 min

IC is going to be better obv

[limber lion]

IC just weird because it doesn't really do too too much on 3-4 targets

It only cranks when you have like a shit ton of targets

[next arch]

It's really awkward I've noticed.

[balmy condor]

it's technically better on 4 by a good chunk as well

but it gets hairy at 3

[limber lion]

DTB is just super strong in single

and IC does nothing

[next arch]

Man that's sad. KB being a fun button not being as good as a passive

[limber lion]

tuning is not final

[next arch]

No of course not

But as of current, assuming nothing changes

[balmy condor]

idk if KB can recover from 7% worse in single target just from "tuning is not final" honestly

might be a 10.1 angle

[limber lion]

rip

alright go next boys

[next arch]

Feral druid time

[balmy condor]

it's like 4% worse if you go with the step/bloody mess stuff

but if you're taking your single step 0.5% dps gain

the poison nodes just kill KB viability entirely

[vivid blade]

yeah i felt too much downtime with IC which will suck a lot when progging keys if mobs die insta

thanks 😄 is there an updated m+ build from last week for assa?

[limber lion]

updated build from last week?

what the

[balmy condor]

yeah I'm gonna just put a couple beta builds into the pins and see what happens

[next arch]

owo new builds? Any major changes? Or just stuff on wowhead

[balmy condor]

wowhead is prepatch builds

these gonna be beta

[next arch]

Wait sorry, what's the difference?

Is beta for 10.1?

So the first raid patch? Or real patch, or like when the new content is released kinda thing

[vivid blade]

thanks whispyr ❤️ ur the best

[limber lion]

Beta is for 10.0, Dragonflight

The actual expansion release.

Pre-patch is like a bridge between Shadowlands and Dragonflight.

[next arch]

Yeah silly me.

[signal pier]

u silly

[next arch]

Is there a stat squish?

[limber lion]

Not this time around

Good thing we double garrote with vanish/stealth so we don't need subterdingdong for ambush

so we can still get one shadowstep in the tree even if we don't take the spec one

[royal lantern]

yo, good morning

exsang dead now?

[limber lion]

nope

[jade abyss]

Was it legion where we does millions of dps 🤔

[royal lantern]

yes

[jade abyss]

Ty

[royal lantern]

legion was the giga numberbloat

[jade abyss]

Can remember on a friend, she was playing rogue and i pulled the entire instance together, she gets a pb proc and her details was close for exploding xD im sure she came from this

Old pb was nuts

[royal lantern]

old pb was shit

[balmy condor]

Beta/Level70/Dragonflight builds for now
Obviously things can still change. These are the highest sims we have currently, but there are sim optimizations still in the works. Use these for a general idea.

Picture 1: Single target. You can replace the improved poison/fatal concoction points for shadowstep and bloody mess, the rest of the build stays the same, but it's very slightly worse. If you value the second shadowstep just go the bloody mess route and you're chilling. If you're replacing exsang, take tiny toxic blade. If you're wanting to add CT, take the point from tiny toxic/shrouded/exsang. DTB poisons are Amplifying -> Deadly -> Instant

Picture 2: Dungeon with DTB. Yes DTB is better than IC, it's about 2% in dungeonslice, ton better in 1-3 target, ton worse in 5-8 target. Replace exsang with master assassin, DO NOT GET RID OF IRON WIRE IT IS REALLY GOOD UTILITY THAT IS WHY YOU PLAY SIN DO NOT TROLL IT PLEASE. Flying daggers is fine-ish but it's super scary to play because of the range and you need pretty heavy aoe to make it work, it's a lil yucky. If you do want to play it because you're a psychopath, you would also want to consider blindside, which is strong, and also good boss damage, and another really weird m+ pick. Flying daggers is basically just an open door to super awkward things. DTB poisons are Amplifying -> Deadly -> Instant

Picture 3: Dungeon with IC. Because you will ask me for it anyway lets get real. It might be better in heavy aoe dungeons or shorter 30-45 second pulls, but has more room for error compared to dtb obviously. Kinda sucks but what can you do. If you want to replace exsang, again do it with master assassin. Same disclaimer on flying daggers as above including all the blindside crap. If you're reading this far in I love you, you are valid, and I hope you have a great day. The Poison Bomb pick isn't fully optimized yet (I hate CT sims), if you want to you can take some of the poison stuff too, imp poison is okay, dashing is okay, anything more than that starts to be weird again, don't be weird. Another interesting thing you can do is drop PB and go for tiny toxic into 1/3 zoldyck, that seems kinda okay. Poisons are Deadly -> Instant, but if you go Amplifying, swap to it before bosses.

Frequently Asked Questions:
"Why not X talent over Y?"
Did you read the big blurbs? They explain alternatives

"I read, why not X talent over Y?"
Because it sucks, don't ask me this please

"Why the class tree look like that?"
Dance sucks, nightstalker sucks, find weakness kinda sucks, cold blood sucks, now you're out of talents to pick that aren't garbage

"Really? Echoing Reprimand with the additional CP?"
Yes, it's really strong compared to everything else

"Exsang :("
Yeah you and everyone else, live with it or don't take it idk

"Exsang :)"
You're weird but I respect how you live your life

[royal lantern]

rng over rng

[jade abyss]

Sure rngwise it was so bad but the numbers !

Sin opener without pb procc was feeling so bad back in legion :<

[limber lion]

I love you too

[royal lantern]

fuck exsang

[balmy condor]

unkillable

found 0.3% though

but unkillable

this whole deathmark current bleeds thing

is kinda whack

[royal lantern]

doesnt change the fact that it should burn in hell 🙂

[balmy condor]

also the 0.3% are for non-exsang

and in that case, you would want to vanish and deathmark together

even in opener

so you gar snd gar, then get your bone spike and rupture, and then deathmark and vanish gar

so

[limber lion]

I'm ngl, I've been avoiding simming FC all this time. Makes sense that DTB cranks it up to 11

gg's

[balmy condor]

enjoy that I guess

[balmy condor]

56

is that

dslice?

[limber lion]

st

[balmy condor]

oh no brotherman