assassination

[signal pier]

I'm really considering playing assa because I enjoy the playstyle in the prepatch

I hope it won't change much at lv 70

[uncut echo]

Oh honey

[fallen arch]

But exsang will break that fun

Come df

[royal lantern]

outlaw?

Additional bonus:you actually do dmg AND have aoe

[signal pier]

so is there a guide/document about how assa will play at lvl 70?

[uncut echo]

And you're lowkey immortal in outlaw

[spice spire]

I dislike Exsang as much as the next guy (apparently not actually) but what did it do to hurt you all?

You guys act like it killed your firstborn or something

[uncut echo]

It made me unsub

Literally

[spice spire]

#tww-assassination message

[spice spire]

Because your roles are outlaw/assassination

[signal pier]

thanks, this is exactly what I needed

[uncut echo]

Idk how to chsnge my role to be a redboi

:(

[spice spire]

Glad to help (point you to the smart car boy)

[spice spire]

You have to drop outlaw. There’s no way to do it while having another spec as a role by pecking order

So unluggy

[uncut echo]

DROP MY PIRATE HAT?

WHY I NEVER

[royal lantern]

for most people its probs a mix off: assa beeing somewhat bad and release getting close, and that its a talent that makes your gameplay worse

[balmy condor]

That’s basically dead btw

Gonna be the faq

[royal lantern]

so its a thing to hate for the general frustraition

[spice spire]

It was updated 10/20

[balmy condor]

Yeh

And there it shall lie

[uncut echo]

Times change, boy

[spice spire]

People weren’t here for shadowlands release and it shows

[balmy condor]

Might do one more update to clean the shit up

And then just let it sit there

[spice spire]

Buddy I wish you’d clean my shit up

[balmy condor]

Ok

[acoustic sky]

oh wow

[uncut echo]

Ayo pause

Hol' up

[royal lantern]

i was

🙂

[spice spire]

Did you go sub like everyone else

[uncut echo]

I started sin

[royal lantern]

i tried assa for 2weeks

[uncut echo]

And then OMEGALUL'D to mage

[royal lantern]

i really tried man

[uncut echo]

Same LOL

[royal lantern]

then outlaw until they fixed assa

[uncut echo]

20% aura btw

[copper hazel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-solicits-talent-tree-system-feedback-in-new-survey-329694?webhook ok whoever gets this survey, in the 500-character open comments section, you just type "Delete Exsanguinate" over and over till you hit the 500 limit

[uncut echo]

BOYS WE CAN BE THE DIFFERENCE

[spice spire]

I stayed true

[uncut echo]

Sorry u got benched

[spice spire]

No I was beating my unholy death knights

It wasn’t because I was some god either

They got memed, a lot

[uncut echo]

They're trash

Holy fuck

[spice spire]

Cev was the most based of us all. Topping meters of his current guild after the second buff before cttc was added

[uncut echo]

True chad

[cobalt hemlock]

me too but i only started playing the game so i coudnt tell if i do shit dmg because of the spec or because im shit turned out it was both KEK

[spice spire]

It was unholy bad at shadowlands

So dragonflight is a breath of fresh air by comparison

[uncut echo]

Idk if I need stealth anymore

I think I'm gonna go havoc

:)

[spice spire]

Unreal

[cobalt hemlock]

im experimenting with warrior if assa gonna be real shit in df

[spice spire]

Warrior fun, dh okay

[uncut echo]

Warrior/dh so I can tank keys for my group

[spice spire]

Got both primed and ready

You don’t want a quake tank

I run it down quick

[uncut echo]

Arms is

Mmmmmm

I got 3150 on bdk but that's not really a flex

I never took purg tho

I was a gigmachad

[spice spire]

At 260 my bdk felt unkillable im ngl so an omegageared one seemed kinda easy to farm io on

[uncut echo]

Kinda? The problem wasnt surviving

[subtle tundra]

this season m+ 😴

[uncut echo]

It was doing enough dam

[spice spire]

I didn’t mind this season, but I definitely didn’t try any keys in sepulcher or s4

Just farmed some low keys and called it a tier

[uncut echo]

Zamn

Loved S4

Best I've done in a while

Shrouded was a great affix

[subtle tundra]

if only the dungeons were bearable at the start of the season

by the time the dungeons were playable i had already given up on the season

[spice spire]

Yeah I liked shrouded a lot.
And I didn’t play WoD or Legion, and only returned at the end of BfA, so it was nice to finally see the dungeons at work.

[royal lantern]

kara is shit

[spice spire]

Kara is fine tbh. The only part I truly dislike on Kara is the trash between the third boss and the final boss

On upper

[subtle tundra]

kara dungeon design is complete dogshit

[uncut echo]

Sadly the two picked from the poll were widely troll votes. Shadowmoon is going to be AMAZING

[subtle tundra]

and has no place in modern m+

[uncut echo]

Cringe take

Kara was exceptional

[subtle tundra]

actual pig ass

[royal lantern]

somone is bad at chess?

[uncut echo]

That's not a negative

[royal lantern]

[uncut echo]

Rogues only know tricks

Not strategy

[spice spire]

Nah mainly it’s the trash in between the chess event and the boss room.

Someone always fucked the skip

[subtle tundra]

but it wasnt only kara that was dogshit. both wod dungeons were just extremely painful to play

0 fun

[cobalt hemlock]

i hated karazhan and grimrail others were fine more or less fine

[spice spire]

Docks = fun.
Grimrail, was a dungeon

[royal lantern]

docks is just boring

nothing happens

[subtle tundra]

junkyard wasnt even a dungeon and workshop was literally a 3rd and 4th boss check

iron docks is literally trash at the first boss

which is complete bullshit

worst trash design i've ever seen

[cobalt hemlock]

varas woke up this morning and chose violence

[fallen arch]

Yes he did

[subtle tundra]

the first boss was bugged as fuck

the dog does dmg to you while youre behind

nice frontal

and most of the mechanics have very little visual clarity in the WHOLE DUNGEON

[cobalt hemlock]

what made me fucking mad i had whirlwind fury cleave thing and i hit the dog and the fucking boss feared me and i died because of it

[subtle tundra]

shit let me look on the ground to see the caltrops

fuck me dude

[fallen arch]

Agree

[royal lantern]

bruh,warrior

berserker rage

[subtle tundra]

how can anyone enjoy that dungeon is beyond my comprehension

and then you have the fucking iron stars

holy shit

you fuck 1 up its deplete

nice

go next

and as a rogue you could barely help with it

let the hunter do the thing, if he failed rip like what 2 minutes on the timer

i could go on about this dungeon btw

the only decent boss was third boss which everyone was bugging on the boat anyways

[topaz raven]

Hey guys new to the class but does duskwalkers not work with deathmark?

[subtle tundra]

Check da pins

😳

[topaz raven]

Ohk thank you

[spice mulch]

still do

combos well with this

[fallen arch]

exsang fixed

[steel ridge]

you mean just making it creeping death? with all the consequences on energy gain?

[spice spire]

Neraz is right, it’s not quite as simple since our energy gain also goes into it

[steel ridge]

you would have rebalance everything

[cobalt hemlock]

when there was a joke that feral is off-brand assasination its gonna be the other way around in df

[uncut echo]

So?

We're store brand sin now

[steel ridge]

making exsang something like rampant ferocity on the other hand would be better

cause thats what we need more tbh

making all the ruptures pulse when you envenom

[cobalt hemlock]

and feral is gonna become the better assasination rogue

[limber lion]

RF isn't even that good

Looks fun on paper but just spamming PW is better than slamming bites

[spice spire]

The feral main

[steel ridge]

but sin still envenoms quite a bit with poison bomb

[limber lion]

PB does not change our Envenom priority at all

You still Envenom the same amount regardless of whether you're talented into PB or not.

[spice mulch]

it was overnerfed for sure

i like the idea of using bite in low target and pw in high target

[steel ridge]

doubt

[uncut echo]

If I have to go feral

I got laser cat

[viscid spear]

[uncut echo]

I will GLADLY

[limber lion]

All the synergy PW/Rip have currently is insane, it's so fun

[cobalt hemlock]

whats pw please?

[steel ridge]

primal wrath

[uncut echo]

Primal wrath

[spice mulch]

aoe rip

[steel ridge]

mini carnage with no cd

[limber lion]

PW reapplies Rip, but also deals a portion of the existing rip damage instantly, and dots expire faster, and they do their damage faster and so on

Everything just synergizes so well

[spice mulch]

and every rip tick gives you a chance to get a free bite, which is aoe, and pressing bite procs sabertooth which makes rip tick 20% more for 4 seconds

it's amazing

[uncut echo]

Imagine synergy

[steel ridge]

yeah i am just gonna get a feral on standby

[uncut echo]

I'm gonna die

[steel ridge]

to actually do dmg

[limber lion]

Oh and applying rip also applies another dot that deals 12% of the new rips damage in 8s

Which you can apply to all targets with PW

[spice mulch]

the new feral dev did a fantastic job

[limber lion]

And swarm increases dot damage even further

[royal lantern]

imagine having dot interactions in a dot Spec

[limber lion]

Like everything just synergizes together so well

[royal lantern]

could not be assassination

we just get a bit energy to press envenom more often 🙂

i went from dissapointed, to hopefull, to giga dissapointed with the rogue/assa tree trought out the Alpha/beta :/

[random fossil]

Every time I open this chat people are either super excited or dooming, there's no in between 🤣

[limber lion]

Also forgot to mention Bloodtalons which increases finisher damage by a bunch, effectively increasing all of the other talents' value by a ton

[royal lantern]

im dooming for weeks now, wdym

[limber lion]

I'm personally in between. Good, fun on single target, not super great/fun on AoE.

[royal lantern]

exsang is a thing, snd is still a thing, tea is still a thing, shadowdance is still thought out poorly, i was dooming since day1 lmao

[random fossil]

Yeah I'm excited for st, aoe has always been a pain so I'm used to it by now

[cobalt hemlock]

i thought that was every class discord ever

[limber lion]

Nothing wrong with any of those. Exsang can die, but others are fine.

[random fossil]

probably, i only dabble in ravenholdt

[spice spire]

Counterpoint: you’re a vulpera main 🤨

[random fossil]

vulpera mains are based

[spice spire]

Unreal

[random fossil]

only good race in the horde, ill say it

[cobalt hemlock]

thats why im GIGACHAD alliance enjoyer

[random fossil]

only good race in alliance is gnome though, are you a gnome

[cobalt hemlock]

or get this man arrested like only gnomes and vulpera

[royal lantern]

tea is just the most "you like things from vanilla right???" ability ever that got some mastery slaped on it

and the biggest problem with shadowdance is how hard it restricts sub as a spec, they litearlly have no choice but always take that 1capstone, no matter what

[cobalt hemlock]

im human because i like beeing idealized version of myself plus i like the get out of jail free card for some mechanics

[royal lantern]

unless there is some build with sub not taking the class tree dance i dont know about

[royal lantern]

counterpoint: foxes are cute

[limber lion]

Maybe, but tea is still really good. Very high value one-pointer if you're going SF route anyways.

Dance is weird for sure and Sub is a bit scuffed, I can agree with that.

Glad we don't have to take Dance as Assa

[sour elm]

How many enevenoms am I supposed to get in a shiv window? I shoot for 3 but I always fall short on combo points for the third one by the time the window closes

[royal lantern]

like, sub doesnt really have many class tree choices cus they bee-line down to dance and then grab some other stuff with the leftover points

[limber lion]

But yeah then again Sub has to go Dance, but we as Assa have to go the left route as well pretty much. We don't gain much from the right side and middle is just straight up worse than SF/Tea

[royal lantern]

thats horrible

[limber lion]

That's what happens to us as well

[royal lantern]

yes

and thats bad

[limber lion]

We go left side until tea and then spend the rest on DS or ER/RC

[spice spire]

More than 0.
Is legit the answer, there’s no “target”

[sour elm]

hahah perfect ty

[royal lantern]

like i said, thats bad aswell

"crucial" abilitys like shadowdance for sub, or SF for assa should NOT be in the class tree at all

like, its just mindblowing stupid

in worst case, do it like they did with warrior and then have the class tree have small differences bettwen the specs

aka in place of SF there is something else in that position for assa, but assa just has SF baseline

same with sdance for sub

[spice mulch]

foxes are the best animal

that's why my pfp has a fox hat

[spice spire]

Bio says feral Druid

[uncut echo]

Hot take, after experimenting with the class trees of other classes, I'm mildly disappointed with rogue

I think all classes should have all their utility and survival in class, and just turbo dam in spec

Like imagine if every single one of your spec points was a turbo banger

[dark token]

Some of them are

Like exang

[uncut echo]

Shut up

[dark token]

Denying reality doesn't make it false

[uncut echo]

Just because it's good doesn't makr it fun

[fallen arch]

You said turbo dam

Not turbo fun

[fallen arch]

If every point spent was turbo banger, then none of em would be

[uncut echo]

That's just invariably false

I.e. feral

[sour elm]

ok tbf

[uncut echo]

Every fucking point in that tree is goated as fuck

[sour elm]

ferals tree is indeed a banger

[uncut echo]

Most well designed class I've seen in a while

and AND

It follows the same principal

Of all utility in class, all dam in spec

Same with shaman

[limber lion]

Not entirely true

[uncut echo]

About 90% true

There is very minimal dps traits in class for druid

[limber lion]

Rip is in the class tree as is rake

[sour elm]

my favorite design with feral is the talent that makes bite hit for 25% on all targets with rip; which they mirrored from spriests mind blast talent.

Would love if they gave somethign similar to sin

[uncut echo]

Baseline abilities in bottom row

[limber lion]

Both which are needed for any of the talents in the spec tree to wori

[uncut echo]

Sorry top

[limber lion]

Yeh

That's better, goes much more into utility-territory towards the bottom

[uncut echo]

I don't consider those problematic design to give core rotational abilities to fill out tree early

[dark token]

But anyway no use complaining about abilities they are locked in until .5 patch at the very least

Or tree design

[uncut echo]

There's every use

Wdyfm

[dark token]

Just complain about numbers

Why we suck aoe

Why scent of blood so weak

[uncut echo]

That's tree design lmfao

[dark token]

Why dashing scoundrel no longer work on anything

Why dashing scoundrel 0 DPS per point

Why ttk so low dps

Stuff like that

There is a clear diff between changing ability mechanics vs buffing numbers or changing whitelists

And blizz is only doin the latter thing rn

[spice mulch]

[royal lantern]

tbf, quiet some stuff was reported early

some got changed, some not

[limber lion]

I'd personally much rather play a class that's super fun and does little damage than a class that's super boring but tops the meters

[royal lantern]

and the stuff that didnt get any bigger changes yet is slowly turning into painpoints

[limber lion]

But maybe that's just me.

[uncut echo]

I agree

Sang is not fun

[limber lion]

In an ideal situation it's a fun class that does competitive dps, but if I had to choose I value fun more than topping the meters personally

Spamming Mutilate - Envenom over and over just kills enjoyment for me, so I'm glad the spec is quite complex in st currently even if the numbers are not quite there yet

[royal lantern]

but isnt that the problem?

[limber lion]

That's why I'll gladly complain about ability mechanics, synergy and compare the actual trees to other class trees than comparing the numbers that appear on your details meter.

[royal lantern]

that the majority of our talents are just "x does more dmg" or "you gain a bit more energy" so we end up with just the old "keep bleeds up, spam envenom to dump cp" with no real changes

[limber lion]

Currently there's very little synergy in AoE. We just use our ST abilities in AoE and spread bleeds once every minute to everything instead of manually doing it one by one.

[limber lion]

Yes except currently with Exsang, Deathmark, Kingsbane, 2 Shiv charges etc. Changes it up quite a bit.

But yeah there's very little synergy between the points themselves.

[dense herald]

Man cev I do hope kingsbane gets tuned higher that DTB

[limber lion]

I hope so too. Ideally KB in ST, DTB in cleave and IC for giga aoe

[dense herald]

Yeah if they all had their uses thatd be 👌

[uncut echo]

KB is amazing imho

[limber lion]

Just need to tune the stuff around those capstones as well. Like Zoldyck is terribad

3 points for 0 damage

But yeh I think the trees and tge specs will still evolve quite a bit during DF and future patches.

[uncut echo]

Hottest take under the sun

Sin would be 100% fine if all 3 of our 3 pointers were 1 pointers

[limber lion]

Not true

You'd have to take DTB + KB always

Pretty much would singlehandedly kill any variety in the tree

Kingsbane and DTB as a choice node in 10.1

[uncut echo]

Most classes don't have variety in their ST builds either

Fire had to choose between kindling or current 4px

[fair nexus]

can you elaborate pls?

[uncut echo]

They complained and got both lulw

It's litetally bugged and dogshit rn

[dark token]

It used to work on envenom and poison bomb

It now only works on weapon poisons

[fair nexus]

oh right, was that the legendary that did that?

[spice spire]

Yes

[uncut echo]

Also the energy it gives is negligible at best

[fair nexus]

is 1 energy per is

[uncut echo]

Make it work on nature damage crits

Cowards

[unkempt frost]

not quite the most assasination-y thing to ask, but did not found a wow general one.
Anywho is chromie timewalk leveling up to 60 or 50 to 60 just shadowlands untill prepatch part 2 ?

[uncut echo]

Part 2

[spice spire]

Then we run sepsis, very cringe!

[dense herald]

Tbh sepsis needs more reasons to be picked so that sbs just doesn’t dominate every build and every situation

[spice spire]

Counterpoint: SBS is based!

(You’re not wrong though)

[uncut echo]

Sepsis is the single coolest shadowlands ability

Infect their fucking BLOOD MAN

it's als9 fire and forget with shiv

Just big fucking dam

[viscid spear]

[uncut echo]

O NO FROST BOLT HIT 2 MORE TARGET

[viscid spear]

Sin " "cleave" "

[spice spire]

Ash is a frost mage main now

I caused this

[viscid spear]

DB going away in DF anyway

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[thorn fjord]

They tried to get me to play DK

i was like

naaaaah

[viscid spear]

I just want actual content

[spice spire]

Soon ash

Also you heard it here first (optional) guild meeting next week

[viscid spear]

[uncut echo]

Awwwwwwww

[steel ridge]

just got stomped on by aa 294ilvl feral 😮

[uncut echo]

Poog

[spice spire]

Prepatch matters

Also in case anyone is unaware I’m “on one” today, so we’re doing a lil’ chuckling

[wary ice]

[viscid spear]

Just the one?

[uncut echo]

You need to pump up those numbers rookie

[spice spire]

Buddy I’ll show you how to pump up those numbers

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Oh honey

How sultry of you

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

[ebon notch]

old man

[spice spire]

???

[ebon notch]

misstype

i meant to say bold man

[subtle tundra]

On one what stupid?

[viscid spear]

Not "sold ham"?

[spice spire]

Ur mum

[ebon notch]

[subtle tundra]

Wtf man can you not

Just say what you on

😬😬

[ebon notch]

varas what you playing in df

[subtle tundra]

Its mostly gonna be crying, rogue

[ebon notch]

[spice spire]

I already did bud

I’m on 2 hours of sleep and a dream

[uncut echo]

A dream of an exsangless gameplay loop

[subtle tundra]

Oh are you on the bad grass?

[spice spire]

Exsanguinate Stan #1 right here (please kill me)

[spice spire]

I am not on that zaza rn

Or ever for that matter, str8 edge for life

[uncut echo]

[subtle tundra]

You are gone

[uncut echo]

Drugs are great

I don't take any

But they're great

[spice spire]

????

No hate on anyone, live and let live.
I just don’t

[subtle tundra]

Tbf id also do drugs if they were easily accessible

[spice spire]

The only drug in life I need is that insane energy regen from exsanguinate

[subtle tundra]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[viscid spear]

All those D.A.R.E. officers lied to us

[subtle tundra]

Delete exsang

[spice spire]

If you hate it so much don’t run it

[vernal adder]

just

[uncut echo]

HAHAHA

[sand elm]

[hidden crown]

if duskwalker finally work we need ping rolls

[spice spire]

Literally just check the pin

[subtle tundra]

Not even blizz cares about dusk working

Just pretend it doesn't exist

Literally irrelevant

[hidden crown]

Varas is becoming a Forsworn

the doubt in that man

its scary

[subtle tundra]

Im unhappy with assa state

😭

[hidden crown]

Im happy, not happy with alacrity 5% haste buff and duskwalker not working

but Im happy

[subtle tundra]

Well you seem to care about prepatch

When you really shouldn't 💀

[sand elm]

i need the expansion so i dont feel depression being in a group with an outlaw rogue

[hidden crown]

Imagine being in a group with an outlaw rogue

disgusting

[sand elm]

hey i get lucky sometimes when people invite me to raids thinking im good

jokes on them tho

[jade abyss]

Outlaw > sin

[subtle tundra]

Go out

👉🚪

[spice spire]

Outlaw enjoyers

[jade abyss]

I dont like that btw

Its like exsang

[brazen zodiac]

quake!

[jade abyss]

🚪🏃‍♂️

[spice spire]

Howdy

[royal lantern]

just woke up after my 3hour nap

exsang got deleted?

[uncut echo]

Go back to sleep

It was happier there

I promise.

[jade abyss]

We wish x)

[royal lantern]

im still in a nightmare with exsang then

[spice spire]

If Exsang is a nightmare, it’s a nice life

[royal lantern]

[dark token]

Why are outlaw enjoyers bullying us

Isn't doing 40% more dmg enough

We are already dead

[jade abyss]

Sin is love

[spice spire]

I don’t sin, man of god

[timid cloud]

I’m a man of the fairies.

I am a bastion of light.

[sand elm]

no idea. had 1 tell me to learn skill last night when 70% of their damage was blade flurry

[mystic swift]

Do we still use subterfuge talent? ^^

(for mythic +)

[balmy condor]

No

[timid cloud]

Ego’d

[sand elm]

imagine being carried by blade flurry and thinking ur hot shit

[balmy condor]

Hey it’s hard to alternate sinister strike and dispatch over and over

[mystic swift]

Ty! What poisons do we use for m+ now?

still crip & deadly?

[spice spire]

Hey they also have to vanish ambush

[subtle tundra]

Yyyea but if they have this one proc and this specific roll they can change their rotation and get 10 dps, the minmax is real

[balmy condor]

Deadly numbing

[regal sable]

i like imp wound so when i get mc'd in lower kara i can fok to ruin my healers week

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

hey, sometimes you press another ability that is not on CD anymore cus you used dispatch 2x!

[jade abyss]

Or you break your fingers

[balmy condor]

Outlaw rogues looking at sub rotation: it’s just storm powder over and over what’s the big deal that’s so boring

Outlaw rogues looking at outlaw doing essentially the same fucking thing but faster: WAOW THIS IS PEAK GAMEPLAY SO FUN

[dark token]

Actually outlaw rota semi difficult atm compared to how it is historicallly

[subtle tundra]

i mean so is assa's

[dark token]

Yeah

I don't think either is easier than the other

[balmy condor]

That’s so omega cope

[dark token]

Outlaw might even be a little bit harder even due to fast pace

Did you play outlaw this patch

[subtle tundra]

just that outlaw never swaps target

[royal lantern]

outlaw rogues looking at sub rotation: you only press backstab or shadowstrike into eviscerate, so boring

outlaw rogues looking at outlaw: OMG SPAMMING SINESTER STRIKE 2x INTO DISPATCH IS PEAK GAMEPLAY CUS WE DO IT FASTER!!!!!!

[balmy condor]

Yes I had to see what the hype was about

[dark token]

Cause I tried all 3 spec and I think outlaw is the hardest rota

(single target)

[balmy condor]

You just press the shiniest button available and then alternate generate finish

What’s difficult

[subtle tundra]

you have to keep in rolling well MAN

ITS SO HARD

[balmy condor]

It ain’t even worth rerolling

[royal lantern]

outlaw is "hard" until you realise that its just "if something glows press it, if something is not on cd put it on cd, otherwhise use sinester strike"

[balmy condor]

Who gives a fuck bout rtb

[dark token]

That's how it used to be

[midnight mist]

you guys mad cause you have nothing shinny to press, take the L

[dark token]

In like bfa/early SL

This patch feels much different

[balmy condor]

Okay but how

How is It harder

Explain to me what’s so different that makes it brain meltingly difficult

[dark token]

Couple things are harder:

• maximizing loaded dice usage since you don't want to reroll during cooldowns
• actually syncing CDs to use them rather than sending stuff as soon as it's off cooldown
• making sure your 15 sec cd window you don't have to do any mechanics and can maximise uptime
• doing all this without waiting for a gcd anywhere means it's more fast paced decision making

[royal lantern]

nah, just making fun out of the entire "spec X is hard/boring, spec Y is FUN when it does the same thing" stuff people love to do

atleast me

[subtle tundra]

cause its hard for the average outlaw player

[dark token]

I don't think outlaw is brain meltingly hard

But neither is sin

[royal lantern]

the average wow player has -20IQ, the average outlaw player is 50%below that my dude

[midnight mist]

true

[dark token]

Before outlaw didn't have to do any of the above since they basically had no CD or burst window and could do whatever the fuck they wanted and just hit stuff off cd

[balmy condor]

get rtb, sync cds, stay on target during cds, it’s fast

That’s…. Just a regular melee dps spec

[dark token]

Now you have strict ordering (ar roll flag finish db vanish)

[midnight mist]

isnt sin the same but without the fast part

[subtle tundra]

the "fast" thing is so cap cause its literally all muscle memory

[dark token]

Exactly

[subtle tundra]

after you play a bit you dont think about it anymore

[dark token]

It's not anymore really cause the ordering is more strict rather than hit light up button if you want to use shadowdust properly and roll properly

[royal lantern]

thats all specs in the game

[subtle tundra]

this is not about shadowdust build

shadowdust is not in the game in df

[dark token]

Really cause that's what I'm talking about cause that's what is live

[subtle tundra]

who fucking cares about this build

[royal lantern]

sync cds with other stuff, dont use them during mechanics and dont lose uptime is how literally every single dps plays lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah but outlaw gets to push button do billions of aoe for free any target count 2+ and sin’s gotta actually use a brain cell or two

[midnight mist]

well sin aoe is really involved yea

[spice spire]

I have brain cells

[midnight mist]

I wish I could play sin in m+

[royal lantern]

can i have one?

[balmy condor]

Single target though sure

[midnight mist]

but sin in raid is knida boring tho

(for me )

[spice spire]

Don’t let whispyr fool you, he’s an outlaw main now

[midnight mist]

well everyone is rn

cause its fun

[spice spire]

Nah

[subtle tundra]

lol

[spice spire]

I’m not

[midnight mist]

[royal lantern]

outlaw is fun, fun=cringe, we dont play videogames for fun

only depression and self loathing

[balmy condor]

I’d be willing to say outlaw is the least fun I’ve had playing wow

[midnight mist]

[thorn crater]

+++

[subtle tundra]

in sl i pushed s2 and s3 when outlaw wasnt the meta

in s1 and s4 i didnt push

[balmy condor]

Want combat back man

:(

[thorn crater]

YES

THIS

SO THIS

make fuckin outlaw a warrior spec. separate a new tank spec give us back combat

[oak sky]

@midnight mist crazy how people still cope that outlaw isnt fun

Silence the nonbelievers

[thorn crater]

or give 4th spec like with dudus

😛

[spice spire]

@oak sky guild check

[oak sky]

Uhhh

[thorn crater]

@midnight mist what takes prio dreadblades or ER?

[oak sky]

Star institute-tich @spice spire

[spice spire]

[midnight mist]

idk

[thorn crater]

answer:PRESS EVERYTHING TOGETHER

[royal lantern]

dude hear me out, a UNIQUE idea comming, a RANGED ROGUE spec that has all the normal rogue utility and instanty makes all other specs ussules!!!! we NEVER had that idea before!!!!

[subtle tundra]

i maybe enjoyed outlaw a bit in s4 but so it happened that it was possible to get bad rng and the spec felt actually horrible to play where i would do no dmg with all cds up. that for me is complete dogshit game design

[candid geyser]

Waiting for Outlaw/Sin Merger. Whipyr will love it!

[midnight mist]

well it depends what side of the moon is showing really, also the humidity of the air

[subtle tundra]

imagine needing some dmg and depleting cause you had bad rng

[royal lantern]

we call it

Asslaw

[thorn crater]

i mean, we are just memeing till new tuning pops up, then we cry some more, then we wait for release

[balmy condor]

I think I would quit the game

[thorn crater]

outlaw still on top, sin tries its best, sub bottom feeders

[dark token]

Sub and outlaw should just merge tbh

Sub needs blade flurry

[balmy condor]

What

[woeful wigeon]

or we as blizzard to add combat rogue back in the game as tank speck XD

like BC leather gear with dodge and parry XD

[thorn crater]

is it crazy of me to expect similar outputs from affliction and assassination?

when dot specs are strong they should be equally strong

[balmy condor]

Yeah ones a warlock spec

[dark token]

Yes

[oak sky]

Aff lock is a fake dot spec tbh

[balmy condor]

And the other is a rogue spec not named outlaw

[dark token]

You should expect more output from sin since warlock has more utility and is ranged dps

[viscid spear]

Could you be a bit more subtle?

[dark token]

So they should have to give up something for that, right?

[thorn crater]

i mean not rly, since we can basically ignore mechanics

[dark token]

Right?

[candid geyser]

Sin need blade flurry- we can call it
Contagion.

[subtle tundra]

outlaw needs deletion

[thorn crater]

if i go to the outlaw channel right now

and ask them how many used to main warriors

[midnight mist]

im willing to give you guys the spot at meta spec in m+

[thorn crater]

what do you think people would say?

[midnight mist]

as long as I dont have to play sin in raid

we can trade

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[subtle tundra]

not gonna happen since our spec isnt literally designed to be perfect for m+

[midnight mist]

well its fun in m+ tho

just do dmg and its fine

[thorn crater]

blizz went like, hey guys, lets make a cleave raid since all classes got cool new cleave mechanics

meanwhile every rogue spec not being outlul

KEK

[woeful wigeon]

well when classics are at stage of retail now we are gone keep combat rogue instead of outlaw from now on and future expansion

[candid geyser]

Wrong, outlaw is designed to be perfect in all environments. Since blade flurry is designed in a way that just spreads dmg. If outlaw is good ST, its good aoe. You change nothing but use blade flurry.

[oak sky]

Oh dont worry blizzard will hear complaints then make the next raid 10 patchwerk bosses

As is tradition

[midnight mist]

outlaw is probably the easiest spec in the game to tune aoe, can just reduce bf dmg

[thorn crater]

then why dont they do it

[midnight mist]

dont know wahts this idea of good st = good aoe comes from

just nerf bf

idk im not blizzard

ask the guy

[balmy condor]

It’s about each spec having a niche

Outlaws niche is being the best rogue spec everywhere

[echo geyser]

if they fix fan the hammer flurrying outlaw would be broken doing 500k aoe

[thorn crater]

sub is the useless spec u meme with that can loot daggers for sin

[echo geyser]

[thorn crater]

daily reminder that sub is the weird fat ugly distant cousin of the rogue family

[spice spire]

They had their tier

[echo geyser]

i actually wasnt aware that spec hate was so prevalent in here

[balmy condor]

Uncap flurry, infinite precise cuts value

[thorn crater]

whispyr is toxic it happens

we have to agree with him or we get banned

[midnight mist]

everytime I pop in here they are hating on outlaw

but I understand them

[candid geyser]

Flurry should be uncapped. Sin aoe is uncapped - you can dot 100 mobs if you want to Whispyr

[spice spire]

Whispyr least toxic CF/SB

[subtle tundra]

ofc i hate outlaw when its a plague on the class

[echo geyser]

i guess i cut emotional ties to what i play a long time ago

[thorn crater]

someone unlock the 3head emoji for @candid geyser 's comment

[echo geyser]

i just fotm reroll if i care

[midnight mist]

sorry about that

[spice spire]

Mister ramfam 🤨

I recall a certain rogue begging to play outlaw on a theater of pain in season two

[echo geyser]

if sin was the best spec anywhere id play it

[spice spire]

Your thoughts 🤨

[echo geyser]

was that the sub season?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[echo geyser]

thats cause i actually thought it was the best there

and we did do r1 i believe in that dungeon

[spice spire]

(I also want to let people enjoy things, but I’m hater)

Did you r1 as outlaw? Impressive

[thorn crater]

bruh what kind of essay is whispyr writing

lmao

[midnight mist]

Im kinda effraid now

[echo geyser]

@spice spire

[balmy condor]

That’s cause it’s so fucking miserable to have all the 90apm chimps running around talking about fucking holy grail outlaw like the second coming of Christ, and throughout beta I had to argue with those pricks that Assassination at 60apm is the wheels coming off of the spec, BUT NO FAST IS GOOD WE CANT HAVE SLOW I WANT TO PUSH BUTTONS ZAC LET ME PUSH BUTTONS WHY CANT THE SPEC BE FAST ZOOMZOOM HAHAHAHA

[midnight mist]

HAH

I do enjoy going fast

[echo geyser]

yeah s2 was sub season

eon pump season

[midnight mist]

I really liked sin s4 with tier

hehe

or s3

[balmy condor]

Guys I had an empty gcd with sin once in 3 minutes

[midnight mist]

whatever it wsa

[balmy condor]

How do I FIX THAT

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

Having empty GCDs IS BROKEN GAMEPLAY

[midnight mist]

it is for outlaw

[thorn crater]

do outlul pepegas know what pooling energy is?

[midnight mist]

I understand you guys need to take your time to think

[balmy condor]

God if I could choke people through my screen I would be a serial killer

[spice spire]

Rizz

[echo geyser]

i think varas was playing sin there

or tried to

[midnight mist]

no

[spice spire]

He was

[subtle tundra]

😴

[spice spire]

He changed tho

[subtle tundra]

i dont rember

[spice spire]

I remember

[echo geyser]

this guy was

[spice spire]

No chill gaming

[copper hazel]

what a gamer

[subtle tundra]

my highest top was on sin, yes

[thorn crater]

i feel bad for realz for every time he goes through this insanity

[copper hazel]

he doesnt, he just does ctrl + f - Exang, then he reads those bits, then closes discord

[spice spire]

Tbf he’s a pretty funny guy

[subtle tundra]

my daily delete exsang post

[balmy condor]

Realz takes his penance knowing he has to work on rogue

[dark token]

Same

I don't hate outlaw

I hate outlaw players

[balmy condor]

The years of hearthstone mill rogue coming back to haunt him

[dark token]

Make sense?

[candid geyser]

What if they split rogue into 3 separate classes. That way everyone could be their One-Trick without feeling pressured to swap "specs"

[dark token]

What if they didn't

[echo geyser]

[spice spire]

Wait was that him?

No shot

[vernal adder]

just combine sin and sub

[dark token]

He is outlaw now

[balmy condor]

He was one of the early hearthstone designers idk if he made mill rogue though

[dark token]

He gave up

[spice spire]

I was going to say legitimate qualms

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/silas-self-flagellation-the-da-vinci-code-albino-penance-gif-10128470

[dark token]

Mill decks are cool imo

[subtle tundra]

idc about 1 tricking, i just dont want to play outlaw

[spice spire]

He gave up in sofo with the single worst affix for assassination

[thorn crater]

must be nice having to tune demonhunter. one dps one tank

u donezo nothing to compare to

[royal lantern]

it sounds stupid, but thats how i feel lol

[balmy condor]

As assassinations resident sub main, very based take

[echo geyser]

i wonder if sub & outlaw players dont wanna play sin

(i dont care)

[spare crow]

I enjoy all 3 specs

[echo geyser]

if its good its good

[spare crow]

[vernal adder]

I like sin and outlaw

[oak sky]

I bet a lot of them think its too easy or too slow

[midnight mist]

its too easy and too slow

[oak sky]

The way i think about it is

Are any specs really hwrd

Hard

Lol

[spare crow]

depends what hard means to you

[echo geyser]

if u truely love a spec and play it for fun youd play it regardless of performance

[oak sky]

Like this is wow not an fps

[echo geyser]

if u truely care about performance u will play what is best, right?

[oak sky]

You can learn any rotation

[echo geyser]

even another class

[oak sky]

The hard part is playing mobility and shit in this game

[balmy condor]

Sin in aoe has significant brain usage

[midnight mist]

sin in aoe is kinda goated yea

[spare crow]

there are rotations with so many edge cases that your brain will melt during an encounter

[oak sky]

A lot less now

[midnight mist]

suck that its bad

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s the most fun I have in the game

[spare crow]

if you were to try to play optimally

[oak sky]

Carnage isnt a brain button

[balmy condor]

What

It’s more now

[thorn crater]

?!

[subtle tundra]

for an expansion that was advertised as alt friendly, it was hella shit to play alts/swap main

[oak sky]

How is it more

[echo geyser]

is that the biggest complaint atm? sin is too hard in aoe

vs bladeflurry

[subtle tundra]

no

[balmy condor]

You play ER exsang sbs in keys brochacho

[thorn crater]

its not how hard it is. it deals no dmg in comparison

[oak sky]

More buttons = hard im actually batting

[spice spire]

No sin doesn’t do damage in aoe is the complaint

[thorn crater]

i dont mind pplayign the harder spec to deal aoe dmg AS LONG AS I DO AOE DMG

[subtle tundra]

its the fact that i have to fuck my ST real bad to deal mediocre aoe

[oak sky]

Im actually batchesting

[echo geyser]

i mean i felt the exact same when outlaw was necro mfd in m+

[hardy dagger]

sbs exang one billion dps

[echo geyser]

so much work for so little dmg

[balmy condor]

They’re buttons you have to think for

[echo geyser]

then i just stopped playing it

reroll ww

simple life

[brazen zodiac]

ram

[spice spire]

It’s weird for aoe because if you bump stuff for aoe in sin it becomes too strong for st and

[subtle tundra]

outlaw presses bf = gets full aoe value while barely losing dps, and doesnt have to sacrifice ST for aoe
while assa has to get its ST fucked

[thorn crater]

ram has to be baiting right

no shot

[echo geyser]

same for sub no?

[oak sky]

Im different it all comes natural to me

Aint nobody better than me

[echo geyser]

sub has to decide if u do prio or aoe

[subtle tundra]

idk about sub

[spice spire]

Idr who said it earlier, but outlaw aoe very easy to tune. Just hit BF and it’s easy

[balmy condor]

But yeh, sin complaint isn’t about rotation really, it’s just you put in 3x the work for 0.5x the damage

And it’s just?????

[echo geyser]

maybe sub is the aoe spec

[spare crow]

Again, it depends what hard means to you. For example there's people that can handle many buttons but cannot keep the pace in terms of APM cause they get too focused on dodging shit/positioning etc, or there are people that can play with a few buttons really fast but cannot handle many. There's also a couple of rotations that are not just "do this and that", but they have MANY edge cases, those specs will be harder to play optimally due to that.

[subtle tundra]

yea but they can still do ST in the key, if i talent aoe i cant do ST

[echo geyser]

outlaw is everything medium

and sin is pvp

who knows

[dark token]

Lol fuck this

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Amen mister ramilyfamily

Who knows

[balmy condor]

Sin relegated to pvp spec

[echo geyser]

(i dont work at blizzard)

[spice spire]

And it doesn’t matter anyway. Have fun it’s a game

[balmy condor]

Fuck joker arc

[subtle tundra]

• KB + IC if you really want

[balmy condor]

Im on my thanos arc

[dark token]

Sub had it's 2 years as pvp spec

Now it's time for sin

[royal lantern]

do it

[balmy condor]

Im about to snap half the rogue specs out of existence

(Rounding down)

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-13048146

[balmy condor]

(It’s Just Outlaw)

[spare crow]

[midnight mist]

😳

[spice spire]

Lmfao?

[echo geyser]

Seli has the power to destroy outlaw

one snap of the fingers

[royal lantern]

yes

[spare crow]

whispyr has lost it

[spice spire]

I’m going to do the same but rounding up

[spare crow]

call an ambulance for the outlaw channel

[balmy condor]

All the rogue infinity stones

[royal lantern]

@midnight mist get your cloak ready, whispr is gonna do it

evasion aint gonna help

[dark token]

Delete sin channel since no one will play it

You wont

[midnight mist]

cloak doesnt work on this unfortunatly

[echo geyser]

so sin has to work hard to do aoe but doesnt do dmg

[royal lantern]

oh ye, your right

[signal pier]

i will

[midnight mist]

will go trough cheat aswell

[echo geyser]

how do we fix it

[oak sky]

Exsang er sbs carnage ct poison bomb

[spice spire]

It’ll be 9.0 all over again

[echo geyser]

or does it need fixing

[spice spire]

Just me and some mastery nut

[subtle tundra]

200% CT INSTANT DMG

[spare crow]

Complain to blizz

[spice spire]

[spare crow]

they fix it

[royal lantern]

[oak sky]

The SINFINITY STONES

[echo geyser]

so now when sin does equal aoe to sub & outlaw its fine right

[vernal adder]

make FoK do more dmg when more enemies are around

[echo geyser]

still have to work more

[signal pier]

I love exsang (I don't)

[spice spire]

It’s hard to fix it because again; it would effect the ST chances are

[subtle tundra]

whispyr optimizes our APL so we get 3% dslice dps and we accept it

[mystic gate]

is sin now decent in aoe ?

[royal lantern]

make FoK proc a mini FoK on critical strikes comming from enemys

[spice spire]

We got the fat aoe fok buff in 9.2

[balmy condor]

A single one handed weapon for outlaw, the dried cum of a zoomer pressing adrenaline rush, exsanguinate for energy, sub 200k dpe rupture, taking blackjack to avoid tricks

With this stones, I hold the power of the universe in my hand

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

wtf is that FoK buff? they alway want rogue to be aoe meta!!! meanwhile FoK now did -3dmg instead of -5

[vernal adder]

solid

[candid geyser]

I would argue that buffing sin #s to match outlaw still doesn't fix the issues. It's that Outlaw is good in ST and AOE with the same talents due to how blade flurry functions, whereas when I take IC and talent for AOE as sin- my ST is literal dogshit.

[spare crow]

Let's talk about the real stuff guys, what color are sin, outlaw and sub in your head?

[spice spire]

You used it on 3+ targets instead of 4+

[echo geyser]

sin is green outlaw is yellow sub is purple

[spice spire]

Colorblind, next question

[balmy condor]

Only acceptable answer

[royal lantern]

and outlaw is orange warrior?

[midnight mist]

just make sin better in aoe when they pick aoe talents, I dont understand why this is a problem

[spare crow]

I completely agree wtf

[royal lantern]

mate, we dont know either lmao

[midnight mist]

it wasnt a problem when sub did garbo st

and was played in m+

[echo geyser]

all this talk just sounds like nerf outlaw so rogue becomes worse as a class

[royal lantern]

make CT bleed doing massive %more dmg when it hits multiple targets

[echo geyser]

[royal lantern]

like, dunno why thats not a thing

[dark token]

I think outlaw is in a good spot atm

[subtle tundra]

no. remove outlaw.

[royal lantern]

just as a bandaid

[vernal adder]

remove sub

[royal lantern]

remove rogue

all problems solved

[eager sorrel]

Just let CT stack, but not refresh.

[dark token]

I just want a 25% sin buff (and an additional 15% aoe buff) so sin can match law

[echo geyser]

id rather remove rogue than remove any spec

[mystic gate]

remove wow

[minor anchor]

Can we just remove outlaw and exsang?

[echo geyser]

so our TC's can finally be free and play maplestory instead

[dark token]

Yeah to be honest rogue has been way too stagnant since vanilla

[vernal adder]

maplestory heh

[dark token]

We need rogue 2

[spice spire]

You won’t use powder ST ever. You will use CT ST is the issue

[royal lantern]

dude, then we reach a moment where CT is played on ST again

[midnight mist]

cant you up the thingy that gives stats for every ruptures until you are good, that wouldnt impact st right

idk what else is only aoe

[dark token]

We still using pointless poisons, snd, sap, and thistle tea

[spare crow]

Okay one more question: In a perfect world, on a scale from 1 to 10, how would you weigh ST, AoE & Cleave for each rogue spec?

[dark token]

Ye that's what I suggested

[spice spire]

That’s the one

And scent I guess

[dark token]

Like a 100% buff to this talent

[royal lantern]

right now, or in general?

[echo geyser]

sin 10 10 10 , sub 5 5 5 , outlaw 0 0 0

[spice spire]

You’re the best of us, mister ramfam

[eager sorrel]

How's that? You just make evenom stronger DPET/DPR then CT?

[spare crow]

If the balance was perfect

[dark token]

Weigh in what sense

Damage? Fun?

[spare crow]

Damage

[dark token]

Sin 0 0 0, sub 0 0 0, outlaw 10 10 10

[echo geyser]

im just enjoying my mashed potatoes and porkchop rn

[subtle tundra]

assa does damage?

[echo geyser]

big vibes

[royal lantern]

hmm, probs like, assa 8/8/6, sub 9/5/5, outlaw 6/9/9?

[dark token]

The reason outlaw is better than sin/sub is it's been reworked from combat to outlaw and more freedom to add new talents in df

Vs recycling old shit

[spice spire]

Respect, god bless.
Eating a burrito and shit posting/trying to quell my own shit posting while chaos goes

[spare crow]

I would swap the outlaw aoe with sub cleave on your scales, but looks good!

[dark token]

Sin legit the same spec for ages

[echo geyser]

maybe blizzard wants sin to be the pvp spec

[spice spire]

Loosely changed this tier

[mystic gate]

i thought sub was much weaker in cleave

[echo geyser]

[dark token]

I really wanna see what rogue 2 would look like

[spice spire]

Sub cleave not great, no

[subtle tundra]

ruptures pump

[royal lantern]

@dark token thats imo a bigger problem in general, rogue is probably the only class in the entire game where so much shit is actually SHARED bettwen the specs

just look at stuff like mage, outside of deffensive/utility stuff they dont have any mixed abilitys at all

[echo geyser]

rogue 2 would be ranged

[royal lantern]

he asked how it should be in a perfect world

[echo geyser]

gunslinger

[vernal adder]

guns rogue

ye

[royal lantern]

and like, that was the perfect world in my opinion

[dark token]

Gunslinger would actually be a fucking sick class

[spice spire]

The ram bros

[mystic gate]

oh cool

[dark token]

Thats what I want outlaw to be

[echo geyser]

aoe flashbang for sure

[signal pier]

what would actually be sick if they look at dead specs and revive them for real

[mystic gate]

nah idk why but sub doesnt look like a cleave spec

[royal lantern]

and like, for a time it was a bit supposed to be "sub pure st, outlaw cleave/aoe, assa a mix"

but rn its just all different

not BAD

[echo geyser]

what if we remove all rogue specs

[spice spire]

Based

[mystic gate]

and made new ones ?

[sand elm]

does any1 know if outlaw get offspec rolls on daggers?

[echo geyser]

nah just one rogue class

[mystic gate]

[dark token]

Yes pls

[echo geyser]

united

[next edge]

Make rogue healer

[echo geyser]

fighting against the real enemy

[spice spire]

They don’t iirc

[royal lantern]

doing stuff like "outlaw always does lower ST cus it hase AoE xD" is stupid because you have classes like mage where 1 spec does everything

[echo geyser]

boomkins and wl

[spice spire]

Amen

[sand elm]

then fuck the other 3 rogues in this group, just got heroic edge of night

[echo geyser]

instead of spec fighting

[spice spire]

Preach brother ramfam

[sand elm]

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1038100801257746502/asmuss.gif

[spice spire]

Nice

[dark token]

Delete:
Sap
Blind
Feint
Evasion
Gouge
Kidney
Cheap shot
Shadow dance
Blade flurry
Tricks
Crimson vial

Weird abilities

[sand elm]

ha the 300 ilvl outlaw rogue is begging me in whisper for it

[spice spire]

I just want to hate without being taken seriously

[royal lantern]

call yourself tryan

[subtle tundra]

my hate for outlaw is honest

[next edge]

Why people care about gear 3 weeks off a new expansion

[dark token]

Yeah this is dumb

[spice spire]

Then I’d have to be a vulpera main, no ty

[mystic gate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232915274670669826/969760060744007770/caption.gif

[dark token]

Mages actually have identity except arcane identity is the dumpster bin but yeah

[balmy condor]

Tell him this is your toe, would he feast upon the toe

[sand elm]

haha

[spice spire]

Why does anyone ever care? Let people enjoy things

[echo geyser]

this is why i dont understand spec hate, when u clearly have way more broken classes

[signal pier]

fetid breath

feast upon the toe

wtf

[spice spire]

That’s literally ur toe tho

[sand elm]

now i just need another eon in my vault and im sorted

[spare crow]

If the balance was correct, should Sin have more ST than Sub?

[next edge]

who knows

[dark token]

This trinket is an actual wtf

[royal lantern]

rogue also has 3 specs that play vastly different, mage is all more or less "spam filler until some procs, do dmg during burst windows" so most mages dont care IN THEORY if they need to play other specs(still cry almost boomkin levels hard everytime fire is not the best spec until it is buffed to be the best spec again )

[dark token]

Alright which dev added this

[spice spire]

If balance was correct they would be equal

[balmy condor]

Yeah nothing but bone buddy just like the rest of me, I got that skeleton spooky slide into your girls dm, let go of all flesh and muscle to manifest maximum rizz directly into my bone marrow bud

[next edge]

Frost is omega boring tho

[spice spire]

I meant the stinky

[spare crow]

I feel like each spec excels in a different aspect

[royal lantern]

all mage specs are

all 3 are "spam 1 until something procs and you can do something different"

[spice spire]

Sure but like balance implies that everything is equal 100%

[royal lantern]

and "do bonkers dmg during burst windows"

[spare crow]

no i mean balance as of spec balance

for example Outlaw does insane Cleave and goodish AoE, so it should have way less ST potential than Sin and Sub

[spice spire]

So perfect balance (impossible) is legitimately just everything is equal in everything

But does it differently

[next edge]

Thats not how balance work

balance would mean that you play the spec you want because of how it plays rather than how the numbers are

[royal lantern]

ye, balance is spamming starsurge and crying on forums

[subtle tundra]

balance works with eclipses

[royal lantern]

important part of the rotation

[obsidian ridge]

got em

[sand elm]

the thing with balance is its tied directly to homogenization. u can easily balance all classes if theyre all mirrors of each other, but thats boring and not fun. but the more unique and fun a class is the harder it is to balance

[spare crow]

Not really? That would imply that all specs are equal on all aspects of the game, ST, AoE, Cleave, PvP even, and even APM, buttons to press

[next edge]

Yeah

so?

[spice spire]

Yes

[next edge]

That's basically what balance means

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[spare crow]

That's absolute balance though

[next edge]

Nah APM has nothing to do

[dark token]

This channel is so

[next edge]

with balance

[balmy condor]

My honest reaction to this information

[sand elm]

thats a look

[thorn fjord]

That cat looks like he's got more saved up in his 401k than i do

[spice spire]

My honest reaction to you reacting honestly