#assassination
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nah, vanish and dmg allready suck cus they are delayed from eachother
nothing to do iwth exsang
still fuck exsang
delete exsang
“Syncing vanish to dm sucks” is the first line of the message you responded to and you just asked me if syncing vanish to dm sucks
Bro
The thing is due to fight time issue we cannot just delay thing with justification. there could be cast loss since the fight time is random-ish
Yes
It would be
Because it sucks
Dps down
No good
If dps worse
Then don’t do that
Idk how I’m supposed to explain this concept
It sucks
What about LBE syncing during pre-patch?
You don’t play necro because then you’re playing a dead covenant checkmate
not if you play KB
I’ve finally killed LBE
triple LBE buff during KB+deathmark
Seli I hope you find termites in your house
Is poison bomb viable? I love poison bomb 
you need to say goodbye
"whispyr, should I play sin"
"if dps down don't do that"
outlaw reroll confirmed?
Sure, it’s fine
Yep, that’s the meta right now
My leveling guide legit says “play a different spec”
honestly just gonna lock in DTB dance in keys and tell people my loadouts r bugged so I can't change

ic is cringe
Checkmark hoarder over here playing dance unironically
is it possible to fixate sim fight time to a non-random number?
I pvp main dance is in my blood
hey, he paid 8bucks for those checkmarks
Yes
It’s actually how dungeonroute works
And it fucking sucks because of it
dw ill make it my mission to re-add LBE as a node behind SBS in dragonflight
worse then assa rn?
yes
I was optimizing dslice and tested an Upper Kara Route and my change was -6% because the downtime between packs perfectly lined up with cooldowns, twice
So scars would pop into nothing
idea: LBE as a node that is replacing exsang
so basically we can see if a line-up is a dps gain if a specific fight time not causing cast loss
idea: DM replaced with exsang
Well of course it’s a dps gain if you guarantee equal casts
So sin is great and goes beyond of simc!
but bruh, we really just use dm on cd, and then do a vanish garrote mid dm?
what the fuck
what's wrong with that
If you can’t predict the end of the fight, yes
Reminder that this is -2%
WOAH WOAH WOAH
i can predict that the fight will end, when the boss or all players are dead
That’s the normal vanish timer
Well yeah of course
Change Exsang to automatically set existing dots to their max. possible pandemic value and then let it just do its thing. Would make the current opener less strange
ER + resounding is huge
Gm
there's a timeline where we dance imp gar exsang dm vanish imp gar
and its not this one
Grand Melee assasination?
Yeah that timeline breaks from the first cast lmaoooooooo
Outlaw going SD
but but but ignore armor!!!!!!

Outlaw gets giga value from find weakness and improved ambush
I like more Ignore Bleeds and rolepaly as Sin
yeah
FW is super huge
for outlaw
yes, outlaw does physical dmg only
Kinda lmao
I think outlaw can keep a 90% uptime on FW
I still play subterfuge
or something like that
and bleeds ignore armor, poison is magic dmg
Bro what are you
fw is a dead point for assa
Assa is a dead spec for assa
I mean in prepatch
out of all dead specs, its a dead one
Like 90% uptime oN FW for outlaw is massive
sometimes u vanish ic imp gar cheap 2 casts rupture
It’s not really dead, it’s about alacrity level
im a TEAM PLAYER
But it’s nothing impressive
dead in like"how much you actually invest into it"
Correct
Am I the only one that doesn't like Bone Spike talent?
same with dashing
no
It just messes up everything for me
like, you put 3points into a talent that is so deep into the tree, when rogue trees are allready extremely restrictive, to get like 2%dmg from dashing 
I’m gonna be real with you king, if you notice a difference with alacrity in your day to day gameplay without trying to pay attention to it, you’re insane
I'm actually insane
but yeah I didnt even had track on it
Alacrity on vs off is no difference
was just too used oto have it perma
I do not believe anyone who says they feel a difference
1more energy!!!!1111!!!!
Nah i dont mean in the ways I feel a differenceo n the gameplay
Just seeing the buff expire
despite using 7 cp
Sadgers
Yeh if youre watching the buff
Unlucky
Solution is don’t watch the buff
You can’t do anything about it anyway
Well it was worth tracking when you could reliably extend it
Let it go
😭
sometimes id slice 4 cp between packs to maintain alac and id low roll and it wouldn't refresh
now this is my every day experience
sing
No it fucking wasn’t stop coping
Holy shit the pool cp for alacrity gamers
Fucking cringelords to the max
BUT MY OPENER WOULD HAVE 6 EXTRA SECONDS OF A COUPLE PERCENT HASTE DUDE ITS SO POGGERS
+0.4%
Nice
Good one
but yeah im guessing a few extra ticks of empowered garrote every 2 minutes arent really gonna make a difference in DPS
u used to play MFD and spiteful exists
what else am I supposed to look at if not alacrity?
my 14k overall 
pooling cp fot alac is my new fav meme of thr week
if you have to freaking wait until madame silvy is FINALLY done with her intermission, you might as well play the alacrity minigame in the meantime
this
WS 1ST boss RP ofc im mfding the rocket tonk and playing the alac minigame
its not about dps it's about being bored
indeed
you do those adds, and dont just let the tank solo them?
I let tank solo until the rdruid runs in and fks it anyway
then I say fuc this imma get my snd
It was you peepeepoopoo
I never dropped alacrity on sylvanas
When i said make tooltips consistent i didn't mean blizz should remove envenom and pb from dashing
Monkeys paw

I told you to do it so you would shut the fuck up about “but the uptime is higher” homeboy I don’t wanna hear that shit
Don't care
Don't we get a ton of ambushes with blindside?
It was def worth
Gave me something to do on painsmith intermission
Yeah a Whopping with a capital W 20-25 casts a fight
good amount,but would not say tons of lol
what's the deathly opener, kings? i don't want to risk thinking it myself
Sounds like this info should be in a guide hmm
more casts with SD

We get a lot of questions about it
dont push whisp to hard man
you said the g word 😮
Gar snd get sbs up rupture exsang Deathmark press the rest of your cooldowns slam envenoms maintain buffs

relax guys
the amount of ambush casts will go up with sin scaling
ok im sorry whispyr ill stop now
Sins got nowhere to scale to buddy 58 apm where we going
FIFTY NINE?
bUt As ThE ExPac GoEs On We GeT MoRe HaStE So OuR BleEdS WiLl Be BeTtEr
me trying to guess what "get" stands for only to realize "up" doesnt stand for anything either and it's just "get sbs up"
Wait until you get to “press the rest of your cooldowns”
That one’s a doozy
Wait, with that much apm isn't haste losing a lot of value?
was tempted to do a sinking joke but ill spare you all the pain
Please do
blizz should send us 1 gram of uranium per patch so we grow an extra finger at the end of the expansion with all this haste scaling
Yeah all of its value actually it does nothing for us ever, 0 dps stat, wear an int chest with crit/mast instead
No but I mean, couldn't we reach a point where we overcap a lot of energy? specially if runing exsan and deathmark
jammin
Oh, thought it was more wiith the bleed interaction
haste is mostly white hits+bleed ticking slightly faster
ligmatea
back to the UK
Yeh and then you drop venom rush smile
my talent ss is clearly a joke guys
you wouldnt run venom rush

Yeah the venom rush is the problem
I want my low apm assa back, where if you got to cleave suddenly you felt like a god with the infinite energy :(
Wow nice tree
no cd synced
we play exsang wich is cluncky as fk
still shit aoe
worthless 3point nodes
the assa df life
3pointers are just stupid
sorry, but "DtB cant be mixed with anything else sorry uwu" is not a good reason
other solutions instead of shity 3pointers
Y’all real mad about nonsense today
Y your mom
please do not pay attention to the part where the initial tree is DTB with only 1 non lethal
You’re spending the points anyways
I tHoUgHt DeVs SaId AlL 3 pOiNtErS wErE bEiNg ReMoVeD?!
Well… you took more good nodes at least
It's hard to say one one pointer and one two pointer would be less interesting or worse than a three pointer in any way, but I think it's a minor nitpick at worst imo
Remember when alacrity and lethality were 3 pointers and everyone complained and it got changed and it didn’t do anything at all to the pathing except give us 1 point to fill into lethality
I member
if i had one complaint about the tree positioning, its that i think acrobatic strikes should connect with soothing dark and leeching
and then lethality/alacrity to theifs versa and nightstalker
good change, now we can use tea and deeper stratagem
Could do that before!
not with dance
f dance
just wait, subsin will come to hunt you
Dance sucks :/
Cold blood 
ok im gonna keep shitposting dont mind me
cold blood 
ProblemSolved... remove exsang from sims. #ExsangDoesn'tExist
If u never implement xsang fewer people will run it perfect plan
omg i just found my favorite interaction
normal gar -> vanish -> deathmark applies iron wire
thats weird af and makes totaly sense at the same time
I found a better one
Something something dm in vanish something something xsang logic sims for 8 hours something something whyspr cosplay something something
Muting all the Exsang haters 
You can keep the statistics, I prefer the magic
ah, a fellow feelcraft believer
This is all a meme don’t listen
Exsanguinate isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a talent with such a dps increase? Exsang puts the game on another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see an item with this much of a DPS increase for rogues again. DTB breaks records. Kingsbane breaks records. Exsanguinate breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

is that a copy pasta?
no, he just started to b e l i v e
It is
He is neo? The chosen one?
It’s from the deathly shadows time in shadowlands
If Exsanguinate has a million fans I am one of them. If exsanguinate has ten fans I am one of them. If exsanguinate has no fans, that means I am no more on the earth. If the World is against Exsanguinate, I am against the World. I love Exsanguinate till my last breath.

Delete exsang
as I wrote earlier, let Exsang refresh existing Gar/Rup to max pandemic exsanged values and it would make it much easier to use it in the rotation
Eh, I think it would lose a part of what makes it interesting
it would stay the same
You dont want to line it up
You literally dont wanna use it inside of deathmark
It's the nonbo of the century
Why don't you want to use it on deathmark?
Per Whispyr's guide
redues DM runtime
Waste of energy right
To line up were unnecessary words here 
You just send it on cd
It's als9 just bad
It makes your deathmark an 8 second window
Would remove the early refresh question, which imo embodies the planning aspect of sin fantasy
The only sensible time you'd do that is if the boss wont livr thru your last dm lmao
V subjective statement tho
the early refresh as of now is no planing imo but a very clunky feeling rotation thing
sure but it is currently a hidden mechanic and how do you expect a new player to know about that other than reading discord info which casuals probably don't do
not a good design
What's this early refresh thing?
That's a good point
you need to refresh Garrote and Rupture to their respective max. pandemic runtimes to get max value out of Exsang
also, whispyrs pinned guide says that exang should be used with DM. Is there somewhere else that says opposite?
It says it should be in CD, and DM should be on CD and testing needs to be done to optimize
I think you used them together on pull, but then you jsut fire cds on cooldown
Gotcha, ty
Essentially the thinking yeah
yep
we outlaw now
no thinking or timing
if something is not on cd, put it in cd no matter what
Always have been though
But we trade dealing actual damage for bleeds
with my suggested change to Exsang it would make it at least a bit easier to use it on CD and not having to refresh Gar/Rup first and wasting CPs
still a not that well thought out skill design
i mean, yeha, but you dont even try to combine stuff
I wonder how it having 2 charges would affect it, as you wouldn't be forced to do inefficient bleed reapplications
Could be, it might make it worth to hold a charge to combine with X cd, but the rest of casts it might give some leeway
clarification please, conduits and covenants aren't going to work in dragonlands
why should they work lol
hey...never know, just checking. Though I've been gone since season 2 of shadowlands so just coming back
Conduits and covenants don't work outside shadowlands
the stamina you gained from deepend bonds will go away as well and converted into +movespeeed in shadowlands
does the bliz ui edit mode break the WA for anyone else?
i cant press buttons after ive adjusted sth XD
Its a whole fiesta
Everythings break and gives error 😂
At one point yday I had 2 sussy green and red bars over my raid frame
which WA?
No it broke the weakauras in general
I couldn’t press rtb at all had to disable the ads on
Addon
Also, tried loading my old bfa WAs
And I’m getting this
Oh ye I ran into that too. It seems fixed now. But sometimes the game has to disable the WA options
someone got a wa for me
it says import has no UID cannot be matched to existing auras
because i dont make them myself obviously lol
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
i cant use t hose
because
You can learn
i just want small icons with timers on my screen this whole bar thing messes with my head
i cant have everything on top of one another in a compact matter, need it spread across screen i dont know if it makes sense sorry
Haha to each their own
But that probably means that you'll have to create them yourselfd ?
the only option i can find is to load old ones
and just change the routing
to the correct spells now
btw is there a way in afenars to have them displayed vertically instead of horizontally?
i cant seem to find an orientation option
This stupid trend of having buffs pop up in and out in WAs on top of everything in a dynamic group is really dumb imo
Idk who started it but a lot of WA packs use it now
Just point the stabby end at an enemy and press the colorful buttons
im so useless with these things that im not even sure i understood what ure talking about lol
go stros baby
is there like a way to switch these position because i have been used to this for few years and now its fucking with my head like i actually reaplied the wrong dot and stuff like that
If it is a dynamic group just change the order of the WA in the group
If its fixed position... UHHHHHHHH You need to swap the display tab settings for position and potentially the triggers too
yeah i have no idea how to do that but ty
Link me the WA pack. Ill have a look
its the normal afenar one which they like here
!wa
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
Just drag and drop
Open the WA and click and hold to move it before the other
I am dog at WA if I did it, you can do it 😂
okay thanks for the help
@thorn crater Try tellmewhen. I don't like the one big group thing and it lets you track debuffs buffs and other fun stuff
How does the macro conditional for talents work in 10.0?
say you want do do something like:
/cast [talent:???] Sepsis; [talent:???] Serrated Bone Spike```
No
U can use this marco
#showtooltip
/cast sepsis
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Serrated Bone Spike
/run local G=GetSpellInfo SetMacroSpell(GetRunningMacro(), G"Sepsis" or G"Serrated Bone Spike")
that works, thanks
You also can jsut have different loadouts and setup bars for each
@thorn crater I’m the same. Like how your weak aura is set up. Did you figure out the spell Id issue
Sounds awful
You just don't use conditionals and the macro will work unless both abilities are talented
The tooltip will be broken tho
any1 know if recuperator is constant if u have snd up or does it only cast if u use snd itself?
constant
awesome ty
Is it just me or is the assa playstyle extremely slow on beta?
more slow than usual?
Maybe its the removal bonus energy from popping vendetta? We got to press it alot with the tier set and dusk.
these sin/sub buffs were insane we are top dmg now
Prepatch damage definitely matters 
Even more so now that there are three fated affixes
Since y'all told me Sin sucks i don't even want to play it 😦
Shall we wait that blizzard gives us love once more... 
did CN xymox yesterday, skipped phase 1 and 2 before any mechanic happend
#prepatchmatterswith3fated
i got an 100 log on sin today so clearly yall fkin hate the spec cuz nobody plays it
its undertuned af AND feels clunky as hell at lvl60, what do you expect lol
it really doesn't feel clunky imo. definitely much better than before prepatch
yeah. i tried it once and i respecced into shrouded suffocation immediately
delete exsang
me trying to read the graph
raidbots told me ss over exhang is -9 dps and I will believe that (ik its not)
dont worry, at max lvl you will play ss AND exsang
🙂
i just wont play exang what they gonna do? force me to play outlaw?
should i be using deadly poison or instant poison?
always deadly
Yeah exsang being a button but circle (feral leggo) not is weird
It's crazy, when I left yesterday, people where talking about exsang, and they are STILL TALKING about exsang...
They do the same thing but does exsang generate a cp?
First time here?

Ha ha no no 😛
Well someone said yesterday that I’d hate exsang when I leveled up enough to start using it and now I understand
And they were right
Discord is usually 30% super interesting conversations
and 70% of people talking aobut dmg
and "IS ROGUE VIABLE???????????????????????????"
ITS SO BAD MAN
ITS UNPLAYABLE
LITERALLY
HEAL DPS
YOU HINDER THE RAID IF YOU PLAY IT
Doomer Varas 
I think these days people are more talking about GCD changes 😛
So should I reroll varas
BUFF OUR MELEE BY 2000%
WHY IS POISON BOMB NOT MY TOP DMG ANYMOTRE?????????????????????
idk i roll in my tears every night
BLIZZ CAN YOU STOP NERFING ME??????????????
./s
DELETE EXSANGUINATE
based
What if exsang insta-killed the boss
btw play this build in prepatch, zoldyck legendary(i think, i havent checked what im wearing), nf dreamweaver
that looks cursed
no way
Exang is something everyone hates on, honestly wish they would just fix the tool tip and make ability understandable
Would fix some of the issues
delete it
is this for m+
raid
Question, would you ever run Amplifing poison over deadly poison in ST/Raid?
fuck no
Is that the healer version of rogue?

russian chart 
(it almost looks like a other alphabet when the letters are upside down)
chillest build possible
the whole problem is that I dont feel assassination fantasy is that good and exsang doesnt help if it was dynamic HP dependent proc then it would be much more better
is what im running for raids
just watched dalaran's video lmao
that dude is baiting so hard with the sin part of it
"assassination provides excellent damage and utility"
KEK
TBF it's good
!wa
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
Bossman what the fuck am I looking at
assassination dmg is good?
wellll
sure but thats prepatch guide 😛
I hope you deleted that talent load out
That abomination should never have made it into your game
whispyr
im doing pretty well
I am just using afenar atm yes
I use Afenar as well, but mine is super highly customized
After not playing rogue in sl at all, read here a little bit, popped in on assa and its so fun, so happy kingsbane is back, thanks for motivating me back to rogue
Honestly the very newest Afenar pack that was very recently updated is kinda similar to what I did with it in beta
There's still some unnecessary things that it tracks like EP and Envenom.
I use aefnar and just trim the fat
@sharp falcon Not sure if you're aware or not, but everything else but Exsanguinate is whitelisted for Acrobatic Strikes, at least for Sin. Every melee ability basically goes from "Melee range" to 8 yards, except for Exsanguinate. I'm guessing it's just an oopsie, or is it intentional?
Makes for a pretty weird interaction where you open on your target and slam everything, then spam the Exsang button and nothing happens :P
Also not sure how super important it is, but outside of combat the tooltip says "8 yards" for all the melee abilities but when you engage in combat, all the tooltips change to 9 yards.
The range itself does not change whatsoever, just a faulty tooltip.
i need to find a way to customize afenar to fit me... sigh. i cant handle that compact look with everything together it makes u focus on one spot and dont watch for anything else happening mechanicwise
at least for me
Yeah feel free to drag the weak auras out of the dynamic group and place them elsewhere on your screen. I have a friend who has weakauras on all sides of his character, not just below
i tried for like 3 hours but i dont know what and why ahnd how sigh
like, i tried turning the horizontal bar vertical
and placing it under my portrait. so the buttons pop up once abilities are used
duration trackers*
and the energy and Cp bar definitely gotta go, bliz is mjore than fine
i tried reuploading my old pastebin from bfa the way i used to have them and this happened
Sadge
i tried finding a way to readd all the auras of the current spells but i must be missing something cause ive never made my own and i am fumbling in the dark like a baby trying to fix work i took from different WAs 😛
(those dont stay permanent in the screen they only come up based on duration of each buff/debuff)
hey im in 280 ilvl and do 16-7k overal this is good in M+ with assa rn? ... im sucks with talents.... i need a good for m+ and large pulls or another spec? 😄

Those are indeed very weird talents
i got from a guy in 300+ XD
do u have better mr? 🙂
Just run something like this. Should be easy enough to play and much more AoE damage
If you want more damage single target you can consider taking Exsanguinate instead of Improved Poisons for example.
Or use the wowhead talent page
24k overall is what I was able to muster with those talents
Or just ditch IC and take SBS instead
Wait why ditch IC?
ohhh the varas speciale
If you pull 2-3 target packs most of the time or want more single target damage or whatever
I’d also recommend something like this but instead of flying daggers you take literally anything else 
banshees blight only applies from 1 weapon right
Yea that’s what I did I got rid of flying and MA for SBS and IC
?
You literally cannot do that
It doesn’t “apply from a weapon”, it’s just a regular proc
Are the two FoK talents actually worth taking in M+? I realize the buff to FoK and AoE synergy but I can't imagine the damage increase we are getting is worth 2 points, is it because the crit/combo point thing?
Big true, just take Exsang. Gonna have to learn how to play with it anyways 
I played with SBS and IC on the key I ran lol idk what to tell you
im asking cos i have 2 285 edge of night and just got a 291 shadowspike
The top is okay, flying daggers is fucking awful
Yeah they stack
Should wear the double eon
so would it be a dps loss replacing a 285 one with a 291 shadowspike?
Show me the tree
I’m at work I can show you when I get off lol
Sure
I can't wait to see another point come into existence
hyped
then maybe we can take DTB as well

doomblade instead of iron wire? 😄
No
even with a weapon thats higher ilvl thats not eon?
Doomblade is terrible in M+
but iron wire is useless nearly.
Would probably need to be around 315ilvl
Yea doom did 65k overall damage in my key lol
WHAT
Litetally useless lol
LUL
literally the best utility talent in the tree
ok that sucks. ty. finally got some loot from heroic sod and its useless 
silence ok.
But yeah, you literally cannot take SBS and IC from the talent tree at the same time in pre patch
You don't have enough points for that
a full 6 second silence and 15% damage reduction
You can however just go Necrolord covenant and use that sbs buggy shit instead
I copied the wowhead pre patch tree that has both SBs and IC lol
I had SBS and IC in the key I ran lol
Oh and you skip shrouded suffocation
that's the only way you can get it
fuck that though

Yea that’s what I skipped cev
I just copied that tree off wowhead that whysper linked lol
I'll much rather have 15% garrote damage and extra combo points than sbs and doomblade.
sbs is super giga strong currently
but I'm gucci
I'll enjoy my juicy IC garrotes instead
Yea I was skeptical but it felt okay without shrouded. Obviously minus the extra gar damage
24k for not even playing with a leggo since I was still wearing dusk wasn’t bad but obv not good good lol
Bro it did 65k overall in a 28 min dungeon haha
Even more the reason to skip SBS
Yea lol I just wanted to try the wowhead build. SBS feels good thought. I’ll try a key with shrouded instead next time
sbs not worth then? 😄
yeah in dummy working hard 😄
thx a lot
my gear need some update and this will work
I’ll try that build later too cev
The best build probably doesn't have flying daggers and has sbs/exsang instead
but I'll gladly skip both
Lol sbs in keys is nice esp the SL version with the cleave spikes
Looking for a solid ST talent build... The IV and wow head ST builds are both different
@limber lion mind hooking it up?
was able to squeeze out 4k more damage but its still years behind my pirate ST.... sadge https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2avYp6wcjkKDppCGhv4ziz
cool thanks, probably because i try to pretend exsang doesnt exist most of the time. Also wtf I have no idea what kind of quirk causes display to change to 9... will have to ask more powerful wizards than I about that one
delete exang, you know you want toooooo
yeah yeah
make exang aoe around caster like FoK or Bflurry, solved 🙂
Aoe exsang 🤤 lol
still bad
I hate how strong sbs is tbh
cool thanks, probably because i try to pretend exsang doesnt exist most of the time.
Same

so like, is exsang the high simming talent or something? like can I just not take it and still be decent?
damn
The copypasta spoke it into existence 
Last time we actually took Exsang was EN no?
nyalotha
Ah i didnt play that tier
love the fact that realz also tries to ignore its existence
we are all united in that
what if we replace exang with hemo
confirmed ion exclusively plays exang on his secret alt rogue
Or Max is up in his DM's whispering Exang meta needs to be a thing
It realz doesn’t like why it, why is it in the game lol
not sure if hes ever said that explicitly
Does this seem correct? why does sim double rupture.
max pandemic
is there a macro for KB or IC based on what youre talented into?
that's how you play exsang
Because a dev likes or dislikes might not have a direct relevance on how it affects the game
its not realz alone
who's dev
ok the pandemic is confusing now, I though pandemic was
"when you apply bleeds in the last 30% they increase the duration of the applied bleed by the remaining time at which you applied it"
!pd
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
Right.
so its 30% at any time basically
whats the logic for shivving during KB btw? save both shivs for full coverage?
I think so, if it aligns, but save one for the last 8 seconds I believe.
If youve got 2 use them, otherwise save one?
If you shiv then KB 2 charges perfectly covers the whole thing, Idk about throwing it off with an envenom.
yeh
also yeh
im a genius
im still trying to work out if its better to exsang before or after the kingsbane in the opener
cos trying to reapply bleeds while also getting the points for envenom is messy
😠

before
so exsang first, reapply bleeds, then do kb window after?
??
HUH
What?
exsang mut deathmark shiv env kingsbane
maybe i dont have enough haste then cos doing that makes my rupture run out cos im spending points on envenom
do we hold exsang for anything?
no
youd want to do it right after refreshing both bleeds though right?
yes
#showtooltip
/cast Kingsbane
/cast Indiscriminate Carnage
/run local G=GetSpellInfo SetMacroSpell(GetRunningMacro(), G"Kingsbane" or G"Indiscriminate Carnage")
no need for those anymore i dont think
What does that macro even do?
for assa M+ you playing deathly too or zold?
Yeah you can just use the automatic action bar swapping.
what is the strongest rogue spec single target for prepatch?
OL
really? thank you
by a mile
ok you got it. was about to send it. can do the same for SBS/Sepsis
yup tyty
forgot the new action bar thing would work as well, havent messed around with it yet
Im OOTL whats the new action bar thing?
you can just save pre-made talent builds to switch between them, which will now also change your action bars
so after you set them up the first time for each build, you dont need to think about it
AOE ASSassin? Any inputs?
Spam Fan of Knives and Crimson Tempest, use thistle when energy is low.
2 insta poison.
Just scroll up, Ceverion posted a build for AoE/M+.
Appreciate, I see that one is more based on Carnage. I will give it a try.
I'm just trying to use two insta poison and blast it away.
And also there is a build I think somewhere if you absolutely want to go DTB in cleave.
Check the pin, Whispyr posted his guide.
Noted, thanks.
2 insta? 😄 1/1 not better? 😄
You can also try your build of course 🙂
The whole idea of going BTD is to have 2 insta so the more target you hit with fan you can guarantee damage. That is how it works right?
🙂 worth a try 😛 😄
yeah dragon tempered blades is really good
Why doesn't it add up to the same overall damage even if you halve it? Won't exsang double the damage despite having the time to keep it the same? I'm obviously missing something here, just trying to figure out what
lets take rupture for example
if you have a 20 second rupture
and you exsang->dm
you have a 10 second rupture and a 16 second dm, which gives you 6 more seconds of duped rupture/poison/energy/all the good things
if you dm->exsang
you have the same 10 second rupture
but a 8 second dm
so the bleed damage didn't change, the compression is all the same
but you're getting less poison value, less energy value (you're overcapped on energy regardless, might as well be overcapped for 16 seconds rather than 8), you're losing uptime on lethal dose
just all around bad
Ahh, thank you very much
I hate exsang
we didnt get any buffs in this round of tunning do you think they are done buffing sin? or just missed this round?
lol just curious its the first round of tuning in what feels like weeks i haven't seen rogue up there feels weird
So dtb let’s you double up on the same poison? Would amp poison be good x2 in st or is just instant that can be applied twice
no, it only lets you apply two individual poisons
no, 2 different poisons
deadly/instant or deadly/amp or instant/amp
2 lethal and 2 non-leathal
etc
is amplify poison + second poison talent viable?
nice
im definitely a rogue noob, using max DPS right now, and it wont shut up about just using deadly poison only
how is everyone liking Sin rogue ? Anyone doing well on the meters compared to outlaw and sub?
I havnt had much time to play
just checking in on the talent changes for Sin.
I hope sin is the play in df
Or at least be as good as outlaw in keys
But doubt, can only see it played in raids on some fights
I hate outlaw
I'd like to play Sin more as well.
It’s hard to beat outlaw when all you have to is hit blade flurry for m+
Idk from what i get so far about the rogue specs in df is that outlaw is the best overral, assassination will be played on some raid fights and that sub is irrelevant
Yeah flurry is op atm
is it sacrilege to transmog over Edge of Night ?
How do you make a decision what to trade a dinar for: weapon or trinket?
well now that DF is here, just get the highest ILVL to level with
anyone know what level EoN gets disabled for dragonflight? i heard thatr gavel and jaithys get disabled at 61 so they need to find a different weapon
@thin portal Thank you
Good cause if it wasnt it would propably still be bis on df 
What an expansion this was huh
Imagine playing your rotation perfectly and still not being able to parse past blue just cause you missed a piece of gear from a previous patch
my dude eon wont be bis at 400 ilvl even if it works
I was being ironic,just ranting about how shit this expansion was for rogues and how we got treated
Cause EoN was a mess for the class
it was -1.8% on 408

LOL
early progression dagger
sadge
somehow i feel like its only there for the tree symmetry
yo, i have an idea
we take exsang, and Push it somewhere else
into the tree of another class
Guys i played with exsang yesterday and almost enjoyed it
I must have developed a mental illness 
Kingsbane + exsang build hits so hard
congratz. you just discovered your masochistic side
wasnt that because alacrity was just too good
what is this exsang everyone speak of? im ass noob
exsanguinate
it still didnt get played
It's this ability no one likes.
It's a cursed talent
hm okay
Twist your blades into the target's wounds, causing your Bleed effects on them to bleed out 100% faster. In the Rogue Talents category. A spell.
thanks
Read this and join the exsang haters club
but why is it bad?
Because you need to refresh your bleeds to max pandemic duration before using it, regardless of time remaining on your current dots, it doesn't feel intuitive. + you slam it on CD, no synergy nothing
okay, not sure what max pandemic mean but I agree, it could have been a passive instead I guess?
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
I said yesterday that it should be passive 
How can this be passive?
feral Druid actually had a talent for a long time that made all bleeds tick 20or 25%faster passive
Imagine there is 20 seconds left on your rupture. You wouldn't refresh it don't you ? Well if exsang is up you have to slam a 6cp rupture to get the most benefit of exsang
yeah, seem a little tedious I agree
That's just boring I think.
you forgot the part where you allrrady re-applied Rupture 5sec ago cus timer was runnig low
so its like rupture>mut>mut>Rupture>garrote>exsang and then do it again in 7-10seconds 🙂
fun
S O M U C H F U N
I just really like poison bomb, it is very satisfying
I wonder if it will be possible to go the indiscriminate carnage talent and poison bomb
like, do we get more points for the talents in dragonflight?
hm okay
well, im new to WoW but I like assassin so far, hopefully you guys figure out an awesome poison bomb spec that I just copy 
Exsang should work on sbs
yeah I tried that, feels like PB proc a lot more
Every time
server crash moment
sbs?
By 4 uses already reality starts to crumble if my memory serves me right
entire screen just yellow Numbers, you cant see anything at all anymore, your cpu starts smoking, still less dmg then a warlock spamming drain soul
Should this channel be renamed to doomer exsanguinate?

anything this unpopular he definitely knows about
Release candidate can we doomer yet
Only 25% behind outlaw just like shadowlands
We will be good 10.0.5
i think its safe to assume anything that gets discussed a lot or he was like present for he knows about
I think playstyle is fine btw
Disagree, just because pressing sang

yeah playstyle isnt really fine when you do shit like double rupture in opener
He’s a funny guy, legitimately 
You know the main thing that gives me hope is that he doesnt seem to like jank shit
Exsang is like the definition of jank shit
When you look up jank shit in the dictionary its just this


Nothing gives me hope, not because of anything wow related.
I’m just a jaded mf 🤨
grindset
definitely wouldnt be surprised if it gets replaced or reworked in the future
maybe the far future but
you know
the far future of this or next week, so it doesnt go into df launch

yeah not gonna cope that hard
delete it
exsang is around for at least a tier
I too enjoy misinformation on a Friday morning
It’s not going anywhere
Varas who has hurt you
exsanguinate
Exsang did
its 12, wake up old man
Mf gonna have to talk to his therapist about An ability in a video game, unreal
It’s 6 am freedom time, sorry king
Wild way of spelling 7
its so much 1pm rn
Who gets Tuesday resets?
NA
Is this "exsang" in the room with us right now ?
reminder that some guy made some shity NFT stuff, and the reason was "blizzard nerfed my favorite warlock spell during wotlk"
men dont go to therapy :gigachadiguess:
No one because it’s always broken
im pretty new, how come exsang is used? I have looked in the wowhead guide and I don't see any mentioning of exsanguinate
Damage
Also LmFAO
oh, the guide is for the prepatch, I understand now
It’ll be used at 70, not so much now
Yeah 
thanks
It wont be used by some of us
The sigmarogues
We’ll find a workaround
because some of us will play outlaw or sub 
Also it’s a fine ability, people are just Doomers. It’s a little annoying, but it’s fine
Like, rerolling mage of smth
Won't tolerate the Exsanguigarchs















