#assassination

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regal sable
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sync succ

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don't do it

royal lantern
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nah, vanish and dmg allready suck cus they are delayed from eachother

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nothing to do iwth exsang

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still fuck exsang

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delete exsang

balmy condor
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“Syncing vanish to dm sucks” is the first line of the message you responded to and you just asked me if syncing vanish to dm sucks

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Bro

whole mason
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The thing is due to fight time issue we cannot just delay thing with justification. there could be cast loss since the fight time is random-ish

royal lantern
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was more of an "would it be a big problem to do that" whispr

balmy condor
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Yes

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It would be

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Because it sucks

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Dps down

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No good

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If dps worse

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Then don’t do that

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Idk how I’m supposed to explain this concept

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It sucks

marble hemlock
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What about LBE syncing during pre-patch?

balmy condor
marble hemlock
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not if you play KB

balmy condor
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I’ve finally killed LBE

marble hemlock
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triple LBE buff during KB+deathmark

balmy condor
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Seli I hope you find termites in your house

royal lantern
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seli, let LBE go

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its less then a month

paper pawn
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Is poison bomb viable? I love poison bomb Sinscheme

royal lantern
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you need to say goodbye

regal sable
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"whispyr, should I play sin"
"if dps down don't do that"
outlaw reroll confirmed?

balmy condor
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My leveling guide legit says “play a different spec”

regal sable
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honestly just gonna lock in DTB dance in keys and tell people my loadouts r bugged so I can't change

balmy condor
regal sable
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ic is cringe

balmy condor
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Checkmark hoarder over here playing dance unironically

whole mason
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is it possible to fixate sim fight time to a non-random number?

regal sable
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I pvp main dance is in my blood

royal lantern
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hey, he paid 8bucks for those checkmarks

balmy condor
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It’s actually how dungeonroute works

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And it fucking sucks because of it

regal sable
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welp could always be worse

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could be an ER enjoyer

marble hemlock
royal lantern
regal sable
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yes

balmy condor
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I was optimizing dslice and tested an Upper Kara Route and my change was -6% because the downtime between packs perfectly lined up with cooldowns, twice

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So scars would pop into nothing

royal lantern
whole mason
# balmy condor Yes

so basically we can see if a line-up is a dps gain if a specific fight time not causing cast loss

regal sable
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idea: DM replaced with exsang

balmy condor
whole mason
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So sin is great and goes beyond of simc!

royal lantern
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but bruh, we really just use dm on cd, and then do a vanish garrote mid dm?

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what the fuck

regal sable
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what's wrong with that

balmy condor
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Reminder that this is -2%

regal sable
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WOAH WOAH WOAH

royal lantern
regal sable
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2:24.126

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no

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please no

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nonono

next edge
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So vanish mid DM means at exact 8 second

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so you do vanish at 7

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you ded

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or at 9

balmy condor
regal sable
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echoing

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rep

balmy condor
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Well yeah of course

potent topaz
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Change Exsang to automatically set existing dots to their max. possible pandemic value and then let it just do its thing. Would make the current opener less strange

balmy condor
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ER + resounding is huge

hollow river
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Gm assassination

balmy condor
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Gm

regal sable
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there's a timeline where we dance imp gar exsang dm vanish imp gar

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and its not this one

next edge
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Grand Melee assasination?

balmy condor
next edge
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I love ER desing and i think its a rly cool spell

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tbh

balmy condor
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Imagine using 7 points on the class tree and the only decent gain you get is dance

regal sable
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omg

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its me

royal lantern
balmy condor
next edge
next edge
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FW is super huge

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for outlaw

balmy condor
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We cast way less ambush, and we get very little out of fw

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So

royal lantern
balmy condor
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Kinda lmao

next edge
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I think outlaw can keep a 90% uptime on FW

regal sable
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I still play subterfuge

next edge
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or something like that

royal lantern
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and bleeds ignore armor, poison is magic dmg

balmy condor
royal lantern
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fw is a dead point for assa

next edge
regal sable
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I mean in prepatch

royal lantern
next edge
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Like 90% uptime oN FW for outlaw is massive

regal sable
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sometimes u vanish ic imp gar cheap 2 casts rupture

balmy condor
regal sable
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im a TEAM PLAYER

balmy condor
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But it’s nothing impressive

royal lantern
next edge
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Alacrity feels so bad right now

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compared to the former talent

tender folio
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Am I the only one that doesn't like Bone Spike talent?

royal lantern
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same with dashing

regal sable
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no

tender folio
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It just messes up everything for me

regal sable
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I hate sbs

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it was fun for the first 2 years

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pls not 3 more

royal lantern
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like, you put 3points into a talent that is so deep into the tree, when rogue trees are allready extremely restrictive, to get like 2%dmg from dashing kekdog

balmy condor
next edge
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but yeah I didnt even had track on it

balmy condor
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Alacrity on vs off is no difference

next edge
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was just too used oto have it perma

balmy condor
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I do not believe anyone who says they feel a difference

royal lantern
next edge
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Nah i dont mean in the ways I feel a differenceo n the gameplay

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Just seeing the buff expire

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despite using 7 cp

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Sadgers

balmy condor
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Yeh if youre watching the buff

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Unlucky

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Solution is don’t watch the buff

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You can’t do anything about it anyway

subtle tundra
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Well it was worth tracking when you could reliably extend it

balmy condor
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Let it go

subtle tundra
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😭

regal sable
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sometimes id slice 4 cp between packs to maintain alac and id low roll and it wouldn't refresh

now this is my every day experience

royal lantern
balmy condor
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Holy shit the pool cp for alacrity gamers

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Fucking cringelords to the max

royal lantern
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you would not understand as a sub main

next edge
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Yeah idk

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Why a sub main is lecturing about Alacrity on sin

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smh

balmy condor
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BUT MY OPENER WOULD HAVE 6 EXTRA SECONDS OF A COUPLE PERCENT HASTE DUDE ITS SO POGGERS

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+0.4%

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Nice

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Good one

marble hemlock
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but yeah im guessing a few extra ticks of empowered garrote every 2 minutes arent really gonna make a difference in DPS

regal sable
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u used to play MFD and spiteful exists
what else am I supposed to look at if not alacrity?
my 14k overall kekw

royal lantern
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pooling cp fot alac is my new fav meme of thr week

surreal nova
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if you have to freaking wait until madame silvy is FINALLY done with her intermission, you might as well play the alacrity minigame in the meantime

regal sable
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this

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WS 1ST boss RP ofc im mfding the rocket tonk and playing the alac minigame

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its not about dps it's about being bored

surreal nova
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indeed

royal lantern
regal sable
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I let tank solo until the rdruid runs in and fks it anyway

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then I say fuc this imma get my snd

subtle tundra
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I never dropped alacrity on sylvanas

dark token
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When i said make tooltips consistent i didn't mean blizz should remove envenom and pb from dashing

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Monkeys paw

balmy condor
subtle tundra
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Don't care

weak horizon
dark token
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Gave me something to do on painsmith intermission

balmy condor
royal lantern
ancient rain
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what's the deathly opener, kings? i don't want to risk thinking it myself

royal lantern
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dont think

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let the FEELS guide you

dark token
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Sounds like this info should be in a guide hmm

regal sable
dark token
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We get a lot of questions about it

royal lantern
surreal nova
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you said the g word 😮

balmy condor
ancient rain
regal sable
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relax guys
the amount of ambush casts will go up with sin scaling

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ok im sorry whispyr ill stop now

royal lantern
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34%crit

balmy condor
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FIFTY NINE?

regal sable
ancient rain
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me trying to guess what "get" stands for only to realize "up" doesnt stand for anything either and it's just "get sbs up"

balmy condor
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That one’s a doozy

next edge
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Garrote Empowered Titanic

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thats the meaning of Get

vestal dune
surreal nova
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was tempted to do a sinking joke but ill spare you all the pain

ancient rain
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blizz should send us 1 gram of uranium per patch so we grow an extra finger at the end of the expansion with all this haste scaling

balmy condor
next edge
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If we use a Int chest we will be smarter to pull of rotation better

vestal dune
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No but I mean, couldn't we reach a point where we overcap a lot of energy? specially if runing exsan and deathmark

royal lantern
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haste energy reg is a meme

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its 1energy for 10%haste

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lol

regal sable
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jammin

vestal dune
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Oh, thought it was more wiith the bleed interaction

royal lantern
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haste is mostly white hits+bleed ticking slightly faster

next edge
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?????????????????

regal sable
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ligmatea

royal lantern
balmy condor
next edge
regal sable
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my talent ss is clearly a joke guys
you wouldnt run venom rush

balmy condor
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Yeah the venom rush is the problem

regal sable
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yeah

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😎

vestal dune
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I want my low apm assa back, where if you got to cleave suddenly you felt like a god with the infinite energy :(

balmy condor
royal lantern
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the assa df life

balmy condor
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Idk bout worthless

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The 3 pointers would be really good 2 pointers

royal lantern
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zoldyck is allright, dashing is just......

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why

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yes i know WHY

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but why

balmy condor
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Zoldyck worse than dashing in raid

royal lantern
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3pointers are just stupid

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sorry, but "DtB cant be mixed with anything else sorry uwu" is not a good reason

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other solutions instead of shity 3pointers

regal sable
balmy condor
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Y’all real mad about nonsense today

subtle tundra
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Y your mom

balmy condor
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Who cares bout 3 pointers

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Capstones are sick and worth the investment

regal sable
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please do not pay attention to the part where the initial tree is DTB with only 1 non lethal

balmy condor
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You’re spending the points anyways

candid geyser
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I tHoUgHt DeVs SaId AlL 3 pOiNtErS wErE bEiNg ReMoVeD?!

balmy condor
honest vessel
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It's hard to say one one pointer and one two pointer would be less interesting or worse than a three pointer in any way, but I think it's a minor nitpick at worst imo

balmy condor
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Remember when alacrity and lethality were 3 pointers and everyone complained and it got changed and it didn’t do anything at all to the pathing except give us 1 point to fill into lethality

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I member

candid geyser
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I really dislike the sin tree @60.

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But I see potential @70

regal sable
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if i had one complaint about the tree positioning, its that i think acrobatic strikes should connect with soothing dark and leeching

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and then lethality/alacrity to theifs versa and nightstalker

vestal wren
balmy condor
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Could do that before!

vestal wren
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not with dance

candid geyser
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f dance

regal sable
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hi fuu

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fellow dance enjoyer

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🤝

balmy condor
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This is the non-dance rogues

honest vessel
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For now....

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Muahahaha

vestal wren
regal sable
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kneel

balmy condor
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Dance sucks :/

honest vessel
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Cold blood dracthyr_kek

balmy condor
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Aight I’m gonna go calm down

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I hate exsang openers

regal sable
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ok im gonna keep shitposting dont mind me

vestal wren
candid geyser
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ProblemSolved... remove exsang from sims. #ExsangDoesn'tExist

honest vessel
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If u never implement xsang fewer people will run it perfect plan

regal sable
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omg i just found my favorite interaction

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normal gar -> vanish -> deathmark applies iron wire

royal lantern
spice spire
honest vessel
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Something something dm in vanish something something xsang logic sims for 8 hours something something whyspr cosplay something something

regal sable
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shrouded suff

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also works

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ik

spice spire
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Muting all the Exsang haters Sinscheme

regal sable
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but cp is boring

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OK TRUEEE

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exsang lovers IN

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simmers OUT

spice spire
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You can keep the statistics, I prefer the magic

royal lantern
spice spire
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Exsanguinate isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a talent with such a dps increase? Exsang puts the game on another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see an item with this much of a DPS increase for rogues again. DTB breaks records. Kingsbane breaks records. Exsanguinate breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

royal lantern
vestal wren
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is that a copy pasta?

dark token
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Exanguinate more DPS than 3 points of dashing + ttk

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What a godlike button

royal lantern
next edge
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If its not a copy pasta

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it should become one

spice spire
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It is

jade abyss
spice spire
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It’s from the deathly shadows time in shadowlands

next edge
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If Exsanguinate has a million fans I am one of them. If exsanguinate has ten fans I am one of them. If exsanguinate has no fans, that means I am no more on the earth. If the World is against Exsanguinate, I am against the World. I love Exsanguinate till my last breath.

jade abyss
spice spire
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Memes aside

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Dislike exsanguinate 💀

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But if I have to play it so be it exsangery

subtle tundra
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Delete exsang

honest vessel
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I like it

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Besides 45s cd

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Lines up so bad

potent topaz
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as I wrote earlier, let Exsang refresh existing Gar/Rup to max pandemic exsanged values and it would make it much easier to use it in the rotation

honest vessel
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Eh, I think it would lose a part of what makes it interesting

potent topaz
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it would stay the same

uncut echo
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You dont want to line it up

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You literally dont wanna use it inside of deathmark

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It's the nonbo of the century

weak horizon
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Why don't you want to use it on deathmark?

uncut echo
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Per Whispyr's guide

potent topaz
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redues DM runtime

honest vessel
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Waste of energy right

spice spire
uncut echo
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You just send it on cd

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It's als9 just bad

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It makes your deathmark an 8 second window

honest vessel
uncut echo
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The only sensible time you'd do that is if the boss wont livr thru your last dm lmao

honest vessel
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V subjective statement tho

potent topaz
honest vessel
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Definitely a matter of opinion methinks

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It could be both of those thinfs

potent topaz
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sure but it is currently a hidden mechanic and how do you expect a new player to know about that other than reading discord info which casuals probably don't do

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not a good design

weak horizon
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What's this early refresh thing?

potent topaz
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you need to refresh Garrote and Rupture to their respective max. pandemic runtimes to get max value out of Exsang

weak horizon
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also, whispyrs pinned guide says that exang should be used with DM. Is there somewhere else that says opposite?

spice spire
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It says it should be in CD, and DM should be on CD and testing needs to be done to optimize

vestal dune
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I think you used them together on pull, but then you jsut fire cds on cooldown

weak horizon
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Gotcha, ty

spice spire
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Essentially the thinking yeah

royal lantern
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we outlaw now

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no thinking or timing

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if something is not on cd, put it in cd no matter what

subtle tundra
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Always have been though

vestal dune
potent topaz
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with my suggested change to Exsang it would make it at least a bit easier to use it on CD and not having to refresh Gar/Rup first and wasting CPs

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still a not that well thought out skill design

royal lantern
vestal dune
potent topaz
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not sure about that

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charges would make this talent maybe even more complicated

vestal dune
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Could be, it might make it worth to hold a charge to combine with X cd, but the rest of casts it might give some leeway

frozen raptor
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clarification please, conduits and covenants aren't going to work in dragonlands

royal lantern
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why should they work lol

frozen raptor
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hey...never know, just checking. Though I've been gone since season 2 of shadowlands so just coming back

vestal dune
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Conduits and covenants don't work outside shadowlands

violet jackal
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the stamina you gained from deepend bonds will go away as well and converted into +movespeeed in shadowlands

uncut echo
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Nice

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Love that for old content

thorn crater
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does the bliz ui edit mode break the WA for anyone else?

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i cant press buttons after ive adjusted sth XD

fleet imp
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Its a whole fiesta

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Everythings break and gives error 😂

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At one point yday I had 2 sussy green and red bars over my raid frame

thorn crater
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No it broke the weakauras in general

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I couldn’t press rtb at all had to disable the ads on

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Addon

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Also, tried loading my old bfa WAs

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And I’m getting this

fallen arch
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Oh ye I ran into that too. It seems fixed now. But sometimes the game has to disable the WA options

amber fern
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someone got a wa for me

thorn crater
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Everything is with question marks

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?!

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Did spells change their route from@bfa?

fallen arch
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why would you try to load bfa addons

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spell data might have changed, delete them

thorn crater
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it says import has no UID cannot be matched to existing auras

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because i dont make them myself obviously lol

spice spire
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Lot of ids have changed

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
thorn crater
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i cant use t hose

fallen arch
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because

thorn crater
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i have tried

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i cant track stuff with those

fallen arch
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You can learn

thorn crater
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i just want small icons with timers on my screen this whole bar thing messes with my head

fallen arch
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I mean

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that's exactly what these are

thorn crater
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i cant have everything on top of one another in a compact matter, need it spread across screen i dont know if it makes sense sorry

fallen arch
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Haha to each their own

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But that probably means that you'll have to create them yourselfd ?

thorn crater
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the only option i can find is to load old ones

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and just change the routing

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to the correct spells now

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btw is there a way in afenars to have them displayed vertically instead of horizontally?

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i cant seem to find an orientation option

dark token
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This stupid trend of having buffs pop up in and out in WAs on top of everything in a dynamic group is really dumb imo

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Idk who started it but a lot of WA packs use it now

viscid spear
thorn crater
glacial bough
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go stros baby

cobalt hemlock
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is there like a way to switch these position because i have been used to this for few years and now its fucking with my head like i actually reaplied the wrong dot and stuff like that

weak plover
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If it is a dynamic group just change the order of the WA in the group

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If its fixed position... UHHHHHHHH You need to swap the display tab settings for position and potentially the triggers too

cobalt hemlock
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yeah i have no idea how to do that but ty

weak plover
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Link me the WA pack. Ill have a look

cobalt hemlock
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its the normal afenar one which they like here

weak plover
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
weak plover
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Just drag and drop

fleet imp
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I am dog at WA if I did it, you can do it 😂

cobalt hemlock
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okay thanks for the help

strong epoch
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@thorn crater Try tellmewhen. I don't like the one big group thing and it lets you track debuffs buffs and other fun stuff

opaque bay
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How does the macro conditional for talents work in 10.0?
say you want do do something like:

/cast [talent:???] Sepsis; [talent:???] Serrated Bone Spike```
snow hamlet
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No

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U can use this marco

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#showtooltip
/cast sepsis
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Serrated Bone Spike
/run local G=GetSpellInfo SetMacroSpell(GetRunningMacro(), G"Sepsis" or G"Serrated Bone Spike")

opaque bay
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that works, thanks

weak plover
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You also can jsut have different loadouts and setup bars for each

frozen iris
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@thorn crater I’m the same. Like how your weak aura is set up. Did you figure out the spell Id issue

dark token
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The tooltip will be broken tho

sand elm
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any1 know if recuperator is constant if u have snd up or does it only cast if u use snd itself?

peak bobcat
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constant

sand elm
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awesome ty

runic basin
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Is it just me or is the assa playstyle extremely slow on beta?

strange python
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more slow than usual?

wicked valve
dark token
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these sin/sub buffs were insane we are top dmg now

spice spire
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Prepatch damage definitely matters Aww

sour elm
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Even more so now that there are three fated affixespepelaugh

wooden sentinel
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Since y'all told me Sin sucks i don't even want to play it 😦

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Shall we wait that blizzard gives us love once more... feelscryman

royal lantern
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#prepatchmatterswith3fated

ancient rain
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i got an 100 log on sin today so clearly yall fkin hate the spec cuz nobody plays it

royal lantern
ancient rain
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it really doesn't feel clunky imo. definitely much better than before prepatch

royal lantern
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probs doesnt help that i force myself to play exsang rn

ancient rain
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yeah. i tried it once and i respecced into shrouded suffocation immediately

royal lantern
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delete exsang

strange python
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me trying to read the graph

ancient rain
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raidbots told me ss over exhang is -9 dps and I will believe that (ik its not)

strange python
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realizing its upside down

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crying

royal lantern
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🙂

ancient rain
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i just wont play exang what they gonna do? force me to play outlaw?

royal lantern
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if we go by current numbers

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yes

oblique wasp
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they should rework exsanguinate

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make it a proc

limber dagger
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should i be using deadly poison or instant poison?

oblique wasp
obsidian beacon
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Yeah exsang being a button but circle (feral leggo) not is weird

kindred oriole
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It's crazy, when I left yesterday, people where talking about exsang, and they are STILL TALKING about exsang...

obsidian beacon
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They do the same thing but does exsang generate a cp?

kindred oriole
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Ha ha no no 😛

obsidian beacon
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Well someone said yesterday that I’d hate exsang when I leveled up enough to start using it and now I understand

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And they were right

next edge
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Discord is usually 30% super interesting conversations

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and 70% of people talking aobut dmg

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and "IS ROGUE VIABLE???????????????????????????"

subtle tundra
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ITS SO BAD MAN

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ITS UNPLAYABLE

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LITERALLY

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HEAL DPS

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YOU HINDER THE RAID IF YOU PLAY IT

next edge
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Doomer Varas kekw

kindred oriole
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I think these days people are more talking about GCD changes 😛

obsidian beacon
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So should I reroll varas

subtle tundra
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BUFF OUR MELEE BY 2000%

next edge
subtle tundra
next edge
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BLIZZ CAN YOU STOP NERFING ME??????????????

obsidian beacon
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./s

subtle tundra
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DELETE EXSANGUINATE

next edge
obsidian beacon
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What if exsang insta-killed the boss

subtle tundra
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btw play this build in prepatch, zoldyck legendary(i think, i havent checked what im wearing), nf dreamweaver

sand elm
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that looks cursed

subtle tundra
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no way

strange python
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Exang is something everyone hates on, honestly wish they would just fix the tool tip and make ability understandable

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Would fix some of the issues

subtle tundra
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delete it

strange python
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Sigh

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I dont want that

subtle tundra
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raid

dark token
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go doomblade/sbs m8

solemn oracle
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Question, would you ever run Amplifing poison over deadly poison in ST/Raid?

subtle tundra
#

fuck no

next edge
vestal wren
#

(it almost looks like a other alphabet when the letters are upside down)

subtle tundra
dark token
#

not like we do much dmg anyway

#

might as well go the chill build

oblique wasp
sand elm
#

is what im running for raids

subtle tundra
#

yea but thats 2 more buttons

#

yikes

thorn crater
#

just watched dalaran's video lmao

#

that dude is baiting so hard with the sin part of it

#

"assassination provides excellent damage and utility"

#

KEK

peak bobcat
#

TBF it's good

vestal wren
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
hidden crown
#

it is good

#

just not the best

balmy condor
thorn crater
peak bobcat
#

on beta yeah

#

its good

subtle tundra
thorn crater
balmy condor
#

That abomination should never have made it into your game

thorn crater
#

whispyr

subtle tundra
#

im doing pretty well

thorn crater
#

are u using just afenar?

#

also, anyone made any cool blizz uis?

balmy condor
#

I am just using afenar atm yes

limber lion
#

I use Afenar as well, but mine is super highly customized

pallid hound
#

After not playing rogue in sl at all, read here a little bit, popped in on assa and its so fun, so happy kingsbane is back, thanks for motivating me back to rogue

limber lion
#

Honestly the very newest Afenar pack that was very recently updated is kinda similar to what I did with it in beta

#

There's still some unnecessary things that it tracks like EP and Envenom.

wary ice
#

I use aefnar and just trim the fat

limber lion
#

@sharp falcon Not sure if you're aware or not, but everything else but Exsanguinate is whitelisted for Acrobatic Strikes, at least for Sin. Every melee ability basically goes from "Melee range" to 8 yards, except for Exsanguinate. I'm guessing it's just an oopsie, or is it intentional?

#

Makes for a pretty weird interaction where you open on your target and slam everything, then spam the Exsang button and nothing happens :P

#

Also not sure how super important it is, but outside of combat the tooltip says "8 yards" for all the melee abilities but when you engage in combat, all the tooltips change to 9 yards.

#

The range itself does not change whatsoever, just a faulty tooltip.

thorn crater
#

i need to find a way to customize afenar to fit me... sigh. i cant handle that compact look with everything together it makes u focus on one spot and dont watch for anything else happening mechanicwise

#

at least for me

limber lion
thorn crater
#

i tried for like 3 hours but i dont know what and why ahnd how sigh

#

like, i tried turning the horizontal bar vertical

#

and placing it under my portrait. so the buttons pop up once abilities are used

#

duration trackers*

#

and the energy and Cp bar definitely gotta go, bliz is mjore than fine

#

i tried reuploading my old pastebin from bfa the way i used to have them and this happened

#

Sadge

#

i tried finding a way to readd all the auras of the current spells but i must be missing something cause ive never made my own and i am fumbling in the dark like a baby trying to fix work i took from different WAs 😛

#

(those dont stay permanent in the screen they only come up based on duration of each buff/debuff)

drifting garnet
#

hey im in 280 ilvl and do 16-7k overal this is good in M+ with assa rn? ... im sucks with talents.... i need a good for m+ and large pulls or another spec? 😄

subtle tundra
drifting garnet
limber lion
#

Those are indeed very weird talents

drifting garnet
#

i got from a guy in 300+ XD

drifting garnet
limber lion
#

Just run something like this. Should be easy enough to play and much more AoE damage

#

If you want more damage single target you can consider taking Exsanguinate instead of Improved Poisons for example.

balmy condor
#

Or use the wowhead talent page

white orchid
#

24k overall is what I was able to muster with those talents

limber lion
#

Or just ditch IC and take SBS instead

drifting garnet
#

with these 😄

white orchid
#

Wait why ditch IC?

subtle tundra
limber lion
#

If you pull 2-3 target packs most of the time or want more single target damage or whatever

balmy condor
sand elm
#

banshees blight only applies from 1 weapon right

white orchid
#

Yea that’s what I did I got rid of flying and MA for SBS and IC

limber lion
#

You literally cannot do that

balmy condor
grim breach
#

Are the two FoK talents actually worth taking in M+? I realize the buff to FoK and AoE synergy but I can't imagine the damage increase we are getting is worth 2 points, is it because the crit/combo point thing?

limber lion
white orchid
#

I played with SBS and IC on the key I ran lol idk what to tell you

sand elm
#

im asking cos i have 2 285 edge of night and just got a 291 shadowspike

balmy condor
balmy condor
#

Should wear the double eon

sand elm
#

so would it be a dps loss replacing a 285 one with a 291 shadowspike?

white orchid
#

I’m at work I can show you when I get off lol

limber lion
#

Sure

#

I can't wait to see another point come into existence

#

hyped

#

then maybe we can take DTB as well

drifting garnet
limber lion
sand elm
limber lion
#

Doomblade is terrible in M+

drifting garnet
#

but iron wire is useless nearly.

balmy condor
white orchid
#

Yea doom did 65k overall damage in my key lol

balmy condor
white orchid
#

Litetally useless lol

limber lion
#

literally the best utility talent in the tree

sand elm
balmy condor
#

Iron wire is the strongest m+ utility of any of the 3 rogue specs right now

drifting garnet
#

silence ok.

limber lion
#

You don't have enough points for that

balmy condor
#

a full 6 second silence and 15% damage reduction

limber lion
#

You can however just go Necrolord covenant and use that sbs buggy shit instead

balmy condor
#

is really good

#

silences don't DR off of stuns

#

what's not to like

white orchid
#

I copied the wowhead pre patch tree that has both SBs and IC lol

#

I had SBS and IC in the key I ran lol

limber lion
#

Oh and you skip shrouded suffocation

#

that's the only way you can get it

#

fuck that though

balmy condor
white orchid
#

Yea that’s what I skipped cev

#

I just copied that tree off wowhead that whysper linked lol

limber lion
#

I'll much rather have 15% garrote damage and extra combo points than sbs and doomblade.

#

sbs is super giga strong currently

#

but I'm gucci

#

I'll enjoy my juicy IC garrotes instead

white orchid
#

Yea I was skeptical but it felt okay without shrouded. Obviously minus the extra gar damage

limber lion
#

Doomblade is so residentsleeper

#

I'll skip that shit any day of the week

white orchid
#

24k for not even playing with a leggo since I was still wearing dusk wasn’t bad but obv not good good lol

#

Bro it did 65k overall in a 28 min dungeon haha

limber lion
#

Even more the reason to skip SBS

white orchid
#

Yea lol I just wanted to try the wowhead build. SBS feels good thought. I’ll try a key with shrouded instead next time

drifting garnet
limber lion
#

Just play the build I linked

#

Only has IC as a new button and does good deeps

drifting garnet
#

yeah in dummy working hard 😄

#

thx a lot

#

my gear need some update and this will work

white orchid
#

I’ll try that build later too cev

limber lion
#

The best build probably doesn't have flying daggers and has sbs/exsang instead

#

but I'll gladly skip both

white orchid
#

Lol sbs in keys is nice esp the SL version with the cleave spikes

thorn fjord
#

Looking for a solid ST talent build... The IV and wow head ST builds are both different

#

@limber lion mind hooking it up?

limber lion
#

This is the best build.

thorn fjord
#

❤️

#

Running Nadja with WPS or LP?

limber lion
#

WPS does not work

#

Just run LP + Lashing

thorn fjord
sharp falcon
copper hazel
#

delete exang, you know you want toooooo

thorn fjord
#

yeah yeah

dull cloak
#

make exang aoe around caster like FoK or Bflurry, solved 🙂

white orchid
#

Aoe exsang 🤤 lol

marble hemlock
#

still bad

dense herald
#

I hate how strong sbs is tbh

spice spire
#

cool thanks, probably because i try to pretend exsang doesnt exist most of the time.

Same

vestal wren
sour elm
#

so like, is exsang the high simming talent or something? like can I just not take it and still be decent?

balmy condor
#

in prepatch you don't take it

#

but in dragonflight

#

it's big

sour elm
#

damn

spice spire
#

The copypasta spoke it into existence Sinscheme

thorn fjord
#

Last time we actually took Exsang was EN no?

balmy condor
#

nyalotha

thorn fjord
#

Ah i didnt play that tier

balmy condor
#

and uldir

#

I think

#

but that quickly died

thorn fjord
#

I dont remember taking that for Uldir

#

yeah

#

think it was like a 2 week ordeal

thorn crater
#

love the fact that realz also tries to ignore its existence

#

we are all united in that

dull cloak
#

what if we replace exang with hemo

thorn fjord
#

The higher ups must really be pushing for it then

#

🤣

copper hazel
#

confirmed ion exclusively plays exang on his secret alt rogue

thorn fjord
#

Or Max is up in his DM's whispering Exang meta needs to be a thing

steel ridge
#

Make it disappear

#

at once

frozen iris
#

It realz doesn’t like why it, why is it in the game lol

oak sky
#

not sure if hes ever said that explicitly

next arch
#

Does this seem correct? why does sim double rupture.

balmy condor
#

max pandemic

cerulean nest
#

is there a macro for KB or IC based on what youre talented into?

balmy condor
#

that's how you play exsang

next edge
#

its not realz alone

#

who's dev

next arch
#

ok the pandemic is confusing now, I though pandemic was
"when you apply bleeds in the last 30% they increase the duration of the applied bleed by the remaining time at which you applied it"

balmy condor
#

!pd

prisma monolithBOT
#

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

next arch
#

Right.
so its 30% at any time basically

balmy condor
#

yes

#

so you exsang a 30% longer rupture

cerulean nest
#

whats the logic for shivving during KB btw? save both shivs for full coverage?

next arch
#

I think so, if it aligns, but save one for the last 8 seconds I believe.

#

If youve got 2 use them, otherwise save one?

cerulean nest
#

makes sense

#

so ideally itd be shiv>envenom>KB>envenom etc.>refresh shiv

#

?

next arch
#

If you shiv then KB 2 charges perfectly covers the whole thing, Idk about throwing it off with an envenom.

cerulean nest
#

im a genius

sand elm
#

im still trying to work out if its better to exsang before or after the kingsbane in the opener

#

cos trying to reapply bleeds while also getting the points for envenom is messy

candid geyser
#

😠 peepoguns exsangery

sand elm
#

so exsang first, reapply bleeds, then do kb window after?

kindred oriole
#

??

balmy condor
#

HUH

kindred oriole
#

What?

balmy condor
#

exsang mut deathmark shiv env kingsbane

sand elm
#

maybe i dont have enough haste then cos doing that makes my rupture run out cos im spending points on envenom

balmy condor
#

well you would refresh the rupture

#

then go back to envenom

cerulean nest
#

do we hold exsang for anything?

balmy condor
#

no

cerulean nest
#

youd want to do it right after refreshing both bleeds though right?

limber lion
#

yes

cerulean nest
#

#showtooltip

/cast Kingsbane

/cast Indiscriminate Carnage

/run local G=GetSpellInfo SetMacroSpell(GetRunningMacro(), G"Kingsbane" or G"Indiscriminate Carnage")

random fossil
#

no need for those anymore i dont think

versed rapids
#

What does that macro even do?

balmy condor
#

same button for kingsbane and carnage

#

for when you swap them

late birch
#

for assa M+ you playing deathly too or zold?

limber lion
karmic bane
#

what is the strongest rogue spec single target for prepatch?

weak plover
#

OL

karmic bane
#

really? thank you

balmy condor
#

by a mile

outer cairn
cerulean nest
#

yup tyty

#

forgot the new action bar thing would work as well, havent messed around with it yet

hoary acorn
cerulean nest
#

you can just save pre-made talent builds to switch between them, which will now also change your action bars

#

so after you set them up the first time for each build, you dont need to think about it

copper wharf
#

AOE ASSassin? Any inputs?

#

Spam Fan of Knives and Crimson Tempest, use thistle when energy is low.

#

2 insta poison.

kindred oriole
#

Just scroll up, Ceverion posted a build for AoE/M+.

copper wharf
#

I'm just trying to use two insta poison and blast it away.

kindred oriole
#

And also there is a build I think somewhere if you absolutely want to go DTB in cleave.

#

Check the pin, Whispyr posted his guide.

copper wharf
drifting garnet
kindred oriole
#

You can also try your build of course 🙂

copper wharf
drifting garnet
balmy condor
weak horizon
#

Anyone understand why you don't exsang DM?

#

As in exsang after DM

balmy condor
#

because you're cutting DM in half

#

and that's dogshit

weak horizon
#

Why doesn't it add up to the same overall damage even if you halve it? Won't exsang double the damage despite having the time to keep it the same? I'm obviously missing something here, just trying to figure out what

balmy condor
#

lets take rupture for example

#

if you have a 20 second rupture

#

and you exsang->dm

#

you have a 10 second rupture and a 16 second dm, which gives you 6 more seconds of duped rupture/poison/energy/all the good things

#

if you dm->exsang

#

you have the same 10 second rupture

#

but a 8 second dm

#

so the bleed damage didn't change, the compression is all the same

#

but you're getting less poison value, less energy value (you're overcapped on energy regardless, might as well be overcapped for 16 seconds rather than 8), you're losing uptime on lethal dose

#

just all around bad

weak horizon
#

Ahh, thank you very much

snow hamlet
#

I hate exsanglul

oak pulsar
#

we didnt get any buffs in this round of tunning do you think they are done buffing sin? or just missed this round?

balmy condor
#

we just got buffs 2 days ago homie

#

chill

oak pulsar
#

lol just curious its the first round of tuning in what feels like weeks i haven't seen rogue up there feels weird

charred mango
#

So dtb let’s you double up on the same poison? Would amp poison be good x2 in st or is just instant that can be applied twice

twilit hollow
#

no, it only lets you apply two individual poisons

main solar
#

no, 2 different poisons

twilit hollow
#

deadly/instant or deadly/amp or instant/amp

main solar
#

2 lethal and 2 non-leathal

twilit hollow
#

etc

stark nebula
#

is amplify poison + second poison talent viable?

balmy condor
#

yes

#

its our best combo in single target actually

stark nebula
#

nice

#

im definitely a rogue noob, using max DPS right now, and it wont shut up about just using deadly poison only

thin portal
#

how is everyone liking Sin rogue ? Anyone doing well on the meters compared to outlaw and sub?

#

I havnt had much time to play

#

just checking in on the talent changes for Sin.

verbal knot
#

I hope sin is the play in df

#

Or at least be as good as outlaw in keys

#

But doubt, can only see it played in raids on some fights

#

I hate outlaw

thin portal
#

I'd like to play Sin more as well.

frozen iris
#

It’s hard to beat outlaw when all you have to is hit blade flurry for m+

verbal knot
#

Idk from what i get so far about the rogue specs in df is that outlaw is the best overral, assassination will be played on some raid fights and that sub is irrelevant

#

Yeah flurry is op atm

stark nebula
#

is it sacrilege to transmog over Edge of Night ?

balmy condor
#

nah

#

I think it's lowkey ugly

#

I mogged them into artifact weapons pretty quickly

slim path
#

How do you make a decision what to trade a dinar for: weapon or trinket?

thin portal
#

well now that DF is here, just get the highest ILVL to level with

celest ruin
#

anyone know what level EoN gets disabled for dragonflight? i heard thatr gavel and jaithys get disabled at 61 so they need to find a different weapon

slim path
#

@thin portal Thank you

thin portal
#

yeah DF coming this month I believe

#

dinar wont matter anymore.

verbal knot
#

What an expansion this was huh

#

Imagine playing your rotation perfectly and still not being able to parse past blue just cause you missed a piece of gear from a previous patch

drifting cloud
#

my dude eon wont be bis at 400 ilvl even if it works

verbal knot
#

I was being ironic,just ranting about how shit this expansion was for rogues and how we got treated

#

Cause EoN was a mess for the class

balmy condor
verbal knot
#

LOL

balmy condor
#

early progression dagger

verbal knot
#

Thats some dark shit

#

Food for thought

steel ridge
#

good morning, does exsang still exist?

thin portal
#

yes

#

morning

steel ridge
#

sadge

subtle tundra
#

Daily reminder to delete exsang

#

😊

steel ridge
#

somehow i feel like its only there for the tree symmetry

royal lantern
#

we take exsang, and Push it somewhere else

#

into the tree of another class

sturdy merlin
#

Guys i played with exsang yesterday and almost enjoyed it

#

I must have developed a mental illness scared

#

Kingsbane + exsang build hits so hard

royal lantern
fallen arch
#

ok now delete it

#

remove it off the bars

#

If 0 rogues play it they'll maybe delete

oak sky
#

didnt work last expansion

#

despite the literal talent rework

#

💀

fallen arch
#

wasnt that because alacrity was just too good

paper pawn
#

what is this exsang everyone speak of? im ass noob

fallen arch
#

exsanguinate

oak sky
kindred oriole
#

It's this ability no one likes.

fallen arch
#

It's a cursed talent

paper pawn
#

hm okay

sturdy merlin
paper pawn
#

thanks

sturdy merlin
#

Read this and join the exsang haters club

paper pawn
#

but why is it bad?

sturdy merlin
#

Because you need to refresh your bleeds to max pandemic duration before using it, regardless of time remaining on your current dots, it doesn't feel intuitive. + you slam it on CD, no synergy nothing

paper pawn
#

okay, not sure what max pandemic mean but I agree, it could have been a passive instead I guess?

kindred oriole
#

Not really.

#

!pd

prisma monolithBOT
#

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

oblique wasp
#

I said yesterday that it should be passive 2ez

kindred oriole
#

How can this be passive?

royal lantern
sturdy merlin
paper pawn
#

yeah, seem a little tedious I agree

royal lantern
sturdy merlin
#

yeah happens all the time

royal lantern
#

so its like rupture>mut>mut>Rupture>garrote>exsang and then do it again in 7-10seconds 🙂

#

fun

#

S O M U C H F U N

paper pawn
#

I just really like poison bomb, it is very satisfying

#

I wonder if it will be possible to go the indiscriminate carnage talent and poison bomb

#

like, do we get more points for the talents in dragonflight?

kindred oriole
#

Yes you can

#

The only talent that is unreachable if you get IC is DTB.

paper pawn
#

hm okay

#

well, im new to WoW but I like assassin so far, hopefully you guys figure out an awesome poison bomb spec that I just copy peepohappy

sturdy merlin
#

Wowhead's PB build is cool

#

Feels very comfy to play peepocomfy

uncut echo
#

Exsang should work on sbs

paper pawn
#

yeah I tried that, feels like PB proc a lot more

uncut echo
#

Every time

night delta
paper pawn
#

sbs?

uncut echo
#

Bone spike

#

Every application, until you hit .1 seconds per tick lmao

royal lantern
#

ticking faster each cast

night delta
#

By 4 uses already reality starts to crumble if my memory serves me right

royal lantern
uncut echo
#

Im not upset

#

You are

spice spire
#

Should this channel be renamed to doomer exsanguinate?

sturdy merlin
uncut echo
#

Doomguinate

#

Realz has to be reading our feedback on Exsanguinate, right

oak sky
#

anything this unpopular he definitely knows about

dark token
#

Release candidate can we doomer yet

#

Only 25% behind outlaw just like shadowlands

#

We will be good 10.0.5

oak sky
#

i think its safe to assume anything that gets discussed a lot or he was like present for he knows about

uncut echo
#

Numbers are numbers

#

We'll be in line before raid

dark token
#

I think playstyle is fine btw

uncut echo
#

Disagree, just because pressing sang

dark token
oak sky
#

yeah playstyle isnt really fine when you do shit like double rupture in opener

uncut echo
#

I mean

#

We always are

spice spire
#

He’s a funny guy, legitimately kekl

royal lantern
#

ah yes

#

"idk man, exsang is whack"

oak sky
#

You know the main thing that gives me hope is that he doesnt seem to like jank shit

#

Exsang is like the definition of jank shit

#

When you look up jank shit in the dictionary its just this

sturdy merlin
spice spire
#

Nothing gives me hope, not because of anything wow related.
I’m just a jaded mf 🤨

royal lantern
#

grindset

fallen arch
#

I have hopes

#

Even the dev doesn’t want Exsang to be a thing

oak sky
#

definitely wouldnt be surprised if it gets replaced or reworked in the future

#

maybe the far future but

#

you know

royal lantern
subtle tundra
#

exsanguiBAIT

#

dont take it

#

its BAD.

oak sky
#

yeah not gonna cope that hard

subtle tundra
#

delete it

oak sky
#

exsang is around for at least a tier

subtle tundra
#

FUCK EXSANG

#

make it a 2 pointer

spice spire
#

I too enjoy misinformation on a Friday morning

subtle tundra
#

NOT

#

3 POINTER

fallen arch
#

It’s not going anywhere

spice spire
#

Varas who has hurt you

subtle tundra
#

exsanguinate

fallen arch
#

Exsang did

royal lantern
spice spire
#

Mf gonna have to talk to his therapist about An ability in a video game, unreal

spice spire
uncut echo
#

Wild way of spelling 7

subtle tundra
#

its so much 1pm rn

marble hemlock
#

It's 12

#

Get with the times

uncut echo
#

Who gets Tuesday resets?

copper hazel
#

NA

sturdy merlin
#

Is this "exsang" in the room with us right now ?

royal lantern
oak sky
uncut echo
#

Fuck you, I went to so much therapy I became a woman

#

So I guess that tracks LOL

spice spire
signal pier
#

im pretty new, how come exsang is used? I have looked in the wowhead guide and I don't see any mentioning of exsanguinate

uncut echo
#

Damage

spice spire
#

Also LmFAO

royal lantern
#

its used at 70

#

sadly

signal pier
#

oh, the guide is for the prepatch, I understand now

spice spire
#

Yeah yejoice

signal pier
#

thanks

fallen arch
#

It wont be used by some of us

uncut echo
#

The sigmarogues

fallen arch
#

We’ll find a workaround

oak sky
#

because some of us will play outlaw or sub pepe_chad

spice spire
#

Also it’s a fine ability, people are just Doomers. It’s a little annoying, but it’s fine

fallen arch
#

Like, rerolling mage of smth

uncut echo
#

Won't tolerate the Exsanguigarchs