assassination

[distant mesa]

the guides are for pre-patch, is there anything for 70 content yet?

[oak sky]

It could be envenom/ pb tier

I think that would work

[sand elm]

even simpler than that. if the tooltip says its a poison it should be a poison lol

[dark token]

Yes

[oak sky]

Not affected by zold affected by dashing

[dark token]

This shit is getting really annoying

[sand elm]

"injects a lethal poison" but syke its not actually a poison

[dark token]

So anyway I'd rather they bugfix everything to work as tooltips say they should then tune us after

[oak sky]

But objectively kingsbane should work with lethality since its of course a generator

[dark token]

Lethal dose works on sepsis but not kingsbane

What

[sand elm]

i wonder if its because they dont want kingsbane to be the go to pick so theyre intentionally making it an exception to not synergise with other talents

artificially making it worse

[oak sky]

I mean a lot of these poison effects are super inconsistent

[dark token]

But let's say they kingsbane work with everything and that makes it 20% better

Then nerf it by 20%

Same output except shit isn't confusing

[sand elm]

blizz being blizz i guess

[burnt latch]

hi i hope u all have a wonderful evening

[sand elm]

and u

[distant mesa]

so obo Alacrity needs taken at 70, but how would I replicate the Sin talent tree for 70 with our 60 talents. wanting to rotationally keep Kingsbane/Exsange in there

[royal lantern]

did raid as assa and hated it

❤️

[balmy condor]

drop everything under tight spender and put it into the middle

[distant mesa]

are we not going down the sub side at all with Shadow dance?

[balmy condor]

god no

[dark token]

Shadow dance blows man

[balmy condor]

everything nightstalker and under is unplayable

[dark token]

Shadow dance sucks, er is annoying, class tree is a feels bad despite all 3 specs having banger spec trees

[distant mesa]

just what I saw in some of the guides, sorry

[royal lantern]

🙂

all capstones are just so bad.....

[distant mesa]

so sin tree looks odd to me without/ KB/Exsange somewhere

[dark token]

Yeah unironically ds is the real capstone

Cold blood, er, rc, dance all suck

Zeal fate and ds the only good capstones

[balmy condor]

ER RC is really good though

and thistle is really good too

[dark token]

Thistle is worse than deeper

[royal lantern]

we have tea, aka "how did this even leave the drawing board"
er aka"nobody liked it as a covenant ability, never saw play as one except for 1 spec and its just annoying as hell to play around"
and "shadowdance, we nerf all stealth talents cus of it, and you dont play it, and its boring af for assa/outlaw, and sub NEEDS to skill it to actually work xd"

i love it

[dark token]

And er rc is bad for my mental health

I will still use it but how did the bottom part of class tree get off the drawing board

They forced thistle tea SO hard

Everyone complained massively the entire time it was there

For all of beta

And it made it through

I like the tree design up to acrobatic strikes and seal fate. Lethality is nice, alacrity is way shittier but w/e. The rest is just wtf

No idea why alacrity changed to something that can drop sometimes

Just nerf it's value if it was too much

[balmy condor]

they're pretty much equal tbh

[south sapphire]

guys my head is hurting trying to figure out the KB exsanguini opening. Rn im doing Ambush > garrote > rupture > DM > Sanguini > envenom > KB > Sns > Vanish > Garrote > rupture, but it seems such a clusterfuck also feels bad to snd so late but also feels bad to snd early cus im wasting garrote DM seconds

[balmy condor]

whats your tree

[south sapphire]

this rn, testing tea and what not

[dark token]

Ambush snd garrote, Mut to 5, rupture, Mut to 5, rupture, vanish garrote exang deathmark Mut to 5, envenom shiv kingsbane

Assuming u run deathly shadows

[balmy condor]

sure

that's probably fine

[dark token]

Probably Mut to 5, envenom, kingsbane shiv tbh

[south sapphire]

right so we skip doubling the initial garrote

and just save vanish for DM

[balmy condor]

you would double the initial garrote with shrouded

[main solar]

I just dislike being forced to play like 7 different cooldown abilities rather than our capstones being something actually interesting. Hopefully they dont feel like they should wait for 11.0 before any major changes

[dark token]

Yes cause we don't have shrouded suffication points

Right now its awkward af without shrouded

So that's why the vanish garrote to pandemic it before exang and to proc deathly shadows on ur burst

[royal lantern]

with shrouded its really just

garrote2x and you have cp

[dark token]

It's weird cause u open and you expect to deathmark

But nah you have to pandemic your rupture and garrote again

Exang xd

[royal lantern]

exsang

is

a

mistake

[main solar]

remove exsang club

[royal lantern]

can we name it "common sense"

[south sapphire]

how would shrouded help double the initial garrote? isnt it just +1 cp to garrote?

would that allow us to skip 1 mut gcd?

[balmy condor]

+2

you get 3cp from opener

[dark token]

Yes but you can garotte snd garrote, and then use vanish during deathmark

[balmy condor]

so you gar snd gar

[south sapphire]

oooh

gotya

that sounds a lot more smooth

[main solar]

nope, it'd be (null)

[dark token]

Right now garroting 2x in opener is trash because 1cp

[dark token]

Drop tea whenever low energy during opener

Forgot you ran that

[south sapphire]

do we tea at any specifics time, im guessing we always save atleast 1 for KB

[distant mesa]

deathly shadows?

[dark token]

Nah tea at low energy

[dark token]

Yes your prepatch legendary

[distant mesa]

oh, that yeah I didn't bother to craft that

[balmy condor]

you tea for 100 energy, ideally before a shiv

[dark token]

Doesn't change much tbh

[balmy condor]

but if you just tea whenever you can max out the energy from it, you're fine

[south sapphire]

ty!

[main solar]

are we pretty much ignoring the mastery component of TT?

[balmy condor]

yes

[dark token]

Cool talent right

[deep snow]

Envenom dmg bug still not fixed on live ? the 16 to 22% difference

[visual hemlock]

did some heroic raids and did 200k-400k openers, man kingsbane build is insane

[balmy condor]

live envenom was fixed a while ago, beta envenom was the issue

[deep snow]

so why does my envenom tooltip shows it hits only for 5.5k with 5cp ? Its also weird because during the day right it shows 7k for a few hours and now the tooltip is changed again. Doesn't feel like its buffed.

[drifting cloud]

never trust wow tooltips

[balmy condor]

[deep snow]

well tooltip is correct, envenom barely hits for 6-7k with 50% mastery.

[balmy condor]

it's 22% on both live and beta

[deep snow]

doesnt feel right

[balmy condor]

datamined from the server

[main solar]

tell me about it.... leveling an alt warlock and it doesn't tell you at all that drain soul replaces shadow bolt, or that unstable affliction gets removed if you cast it on another target

tooltips are a mess

[oak pulsar]

is their an idea of how much mastery it would need to give to matter to us?

[balmy condor]

no

[south sapphire]

how naive of me thinking i needed to save tea for KB

i just realized how much energy DM and sanguini give

[balmy condor]

sims don't use tea until like 40 seconds in

[deep snow]

Well then I dont get why our finisher still hits less than ambush, and even lower than in SL, it just doesn't feel good at all tbh.

[main solar]

you dont like your trinket wrapped into a capstone talent?

[balmy condor]

well we use way more envenoms than we do ambush's and envenom has the added bonus of increasing poison application rate, which is important

[deep snow]

Yes, thats nothing new, but Envenom should feel like a finisher, but it doesnt. I guess the reason is Amplify poison which is kind of dumb.

[grim tangle]

envenom is a filler, buff rupture

[balmy condor]

envenom has been a filler spell for the last 2 expansions

it's the button you hit when you have nothing else to hit

if you want it to do damage, play amp + pb

that playstyle is available to you

[main solar]

or sub

[balmy condor]

like it's easy to complain about "oh envenom should do more than ambush, it's a finisher", but you have to realize that for where envenom sits in the rotation, it probably shouldn't be stronger. We cast about 2-3 envenoms for every ambush, the only thing we cast more is mutilate. You can't have a filler ability, regardless of finisher or not, doing bonkers crazy damage in comparison to the rest of the kit

you only have 100% damage to allocate

you can't make envenom do 30% of it and then go "aight and the rest just fits in, thank god envenom is a finisher"

[south sapphire]

do we sanguini on cd or line it with KB?

[balmy condor]

on cd

doesn't interact with kingsbane

[south sapphire]

right, was thinking for the energy gen but i guess we dont rly need it

going from fury to assa is taking a toll in my brain

rly enjoying it tho, ty for the answers

[balmy condor]

np

[distant mesa]

Exsange interacts with Deathmark yes?

[grim breach]

Does exsanguinate tick down Deathmark faster?

[balmy condor]

yes

[distant mesa]

or am I blind at seeing that

O.o

[balmy condor]

deathmark is a bleed

exsang halves bleed durations

[grim breach]

So if you sangui, you get 8 seconds of deathmark

[balmy condor]

yes

[grim breach]

So the math, 16 seconds of dots, doubled, vs 8 seconds of dots doubled ticking twice as fast, is this the same amount of damage?

[balmy condor]

yes

[grim breach]

But in 8 seconds? so more burst?

So it does interact if you need some crazy on demand burst

[balmy condor]

yeah except the burst isn't crazy and we don't play it like that

[distant mesa]

O.o

[balmy condor]

we cast the exsang before deathmark in the opener

and then on cooldown

[distant mesa]

using it inside deathmark trucks tho?

[balmy condor]

compared to what

compared to tiny toxic blade yeah sure

big deeps

[distant mesa]

which guides rotation are you referring to?

[grim breach]

Ok so the issue is that the CD does not align very well, so you will not keep it for Deathmark

[distant mesa]

just testing it on a dummy lol, using a Shiv>DM>Exsange shot my meter up with an empowered Garrote

[balmy condor]

my own

[distant mesa]

ye, which one 🙂

not tying to be rude, just trying to understand

[balmy condor]

wowhead if I bothered to put exsang in there

[balmy condor]

yeah so the problem is that your dps shot up for 8 seconds and dropped for 8 seconds, which is the same as shooting up for 16 seconds

you gain nothing by exsanging inside of deathmark

[distant mesa]

that makes more sense, thank you for explaining

[balmy condor]

I fucking hate exsang

[uncut echo]

Frankly you just get overloaded with energy

In my personal exerpience

[uncut echo]

I have faith bb, exsang gone by 10.1

[kindred oriole]

It's not the best design.

For PvP maybe it's a bit different because it's more instant pressure, but not even sure.

[balmy condor]

make it a pvp talent then

[kindred oriole]

Yeah they could really.

I dunno, I feel if you don't want to play with it, then you don't have to. Do we expect it to end up dominating other options?

[balmy condor]

yes

[kindred oriole]

By 'we' I mean 'you' of course.

Meh...

[balmy condor]

it's about 4% ahead

[kindred oriole]

Wow... that's a lot.

[balmy condor]

yeah and it's hard to tell why

probably some mix of:

• it was competing with alacrity so it was always seen as much worse than what it was
• bleeds actually doing damage now
• being able to convert the energy into meaningful damage
• little competition

[kindred oriole]

No but I'm thinking most talent points it's competing againts bring what? 2.5-3% dps per point?

[balmy condor]

closer to 1%

[kindred oriole]

So if it's 4% ahead, that's like a 7% dps increase for 1 point compared to others.

Oh ok that low.

[obsidian beacon]

What’s the issue with exsang?

[kindred oriole]

Too strong so mandatory.

And like unfun.

[celest ruin]

it exists

[obsidian beacon]

Oh like it’s flavorless

[celest ruin]

thats the issue

[balmy condor]

I should just write a google doc about why exsang is a dogshit designed ability that no one wants to play

and just make it a chat command

[celest ruin]

!exsang

[obsidian beacon]

It sounds like the circle Leggo for feral

[kindred oriole]

ha ha ha

[timid cloud]

!exsangry

[obsidian beacon]

Yeah I’d use it @balmy condor

I’m rolling ass for DF and have never played rogue so give me like 1 month then I’ll probably be on the exsang hate train

[timid cloud]

Realz putting in too much time into DH, & not getting rid of Exsang.

[celest ruin]

okay hear me out

what if outlaw gets exsang

and we get blade flurry

[balmy condor]

it took someone 3 minutes last week

they talented it, used it

and then were like "oh. I get it"

[obsidian beacon]

I’m leveling an alt lol

[timid cloud]

The worst part is.

[oak sky]

i remember someone coming in and being like "wait why is exsang on gcd"

[timid cloud]

This is gonna be even worse feeling than NYA.

[obsidian beacon]

Does it replace shiv or mutilate or it’s another button

[kindred oriole]

"Because it's a meaningful button to press"

[balmy condor]

it's just a button

[obsidian beacon]

😳

[timid cloud]

Because we don’t have 1,000,002% haste

Wait, do we have KB in the full talent tree & DTB? If so it’s gonna be like 5 GCD’s when we do CD’s, holy, I never thought about that.

I’m passing away.

[balmy condor]

my top 3 most hated groups of people:

1. Warlocks
2. Boomkins
3. GCD police complaining about GCDs on cooldowns when you wouldn't be casting anything in it's place to begin with but then praise FFXIV as a gold standard of mmo's with like 15 APM classes because I can cook a whole pot of rice between GCDs. Bunch of dipshits

[oak sky]

💀

tbh like

[timid cloud]

LOL

[oak sky]

certain cds would feel really bad on gcd (theyre already off gcd)

[timid cloud]

I could do my taxes in 14.

[oak sky]

nothing to complain about really

[celest ruin]

why is mutilate on the gcd

[oak sky]

real

[drifting cloud]

4. everyone named andrew

[oak sky]

only finishers on gcd

[balmy condor]

WHY EXSANG GCD WHY DEATHMARK GCD WHY GCD ON GCD WHY GCD JUST REMOVE GCD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[oak sky]

really got a hate boner for me and esra man

its crazy

[timid cloud]

Rent free.

I wanna hit my buttons fast.

Not slow. It makes me feel like I’m doing more damage.

[balmy condor]

why are pistol shot procs on gcd

[timid cloud]

I don’t want to stop damage, I want to DEAL damage.

[balmy condor]

why is blade rush on gcd

why is flurry on gcd

[timid cloud]

Don’t know, I don’t play Outlaw.

[drifting garnet]

whats the best trinket rn for assa?

[balmy condor]

why cant I just smash my face into the keyboard like a monkey because my brain cells are already gone from complaining about worthless junk and theres none left for my rotation

[balmy condor]

scars cache

[timid cloud]

LOL

Whispyr is in the Foreverguy villian arc.

[balmy condor]

dude I'm so sick of it sometimes

[timid cloud]

Lowkey, I just don’t wanna play exsang. It’s not that complicated.

[oak sky]

exsang being bad has nothing to do with the gcd for me

its all this stupid shit it makes you do

[balmy condor]

"why deathmark on gcd"
cause it's the strongest cooldown sin has ever had and it's meant to be powerful
"yeah but it feels bad"
yeah so does eating dairy but I still down a pint of ice cream, feel better bro

[oak sky]

L genetics

[timid cloud]

I’m partially lactose intolerant.

I can drink milk & eat ice cream. But only sometimes.

Make it make sense.

[balmy condor]

I can eat cheese-stuff fine

cheetos and cheez-its and stuff are okay

milk and ice cream are a mess

[oak sky]

i produce lactase

W

[timid cloud]

Make it make sense like making Exsang not having a hidden mechan—-

Pardon?

[balmy condor]

I mean I still drink milk and eat ice cream though

like

you think I'm gonna listen to my body?

[timid cloud]

Yeah, it’s a gamble for me.

[rich vine]

why acrobatic strikes dont work on exsang

This is the only question I have

[oak sky]

just get lactaid

[timid cloud]

I’m so full of dairy products, YUM!

[balmy condor]

I'm just gonna consume lactose until my body learns to process it again

[oak sky]

keep pretending thats how it works

beat your body

[timid cloud]

Eat Kafir.

[oak sky]

do not work with it

😈

[balmy condor]

I will will it into existance

[timid cloud]

It helps build bacteria in your tummy for that, no cap.

[oak sky]

thats true too actually you could get some milk eating bacteria to digest it for you

[timid cloud]

So the metaphor here is…

[oak sky]

remove exsang

[timid cloud]

The milk, is our CD’s, the lactose intolerance is Exsang.

[oak sky]

i drink milk on cd

thats all i know

[spice spire]

What kind of milk tho

[timid cloud]

We can cure it.

[spice spire]

Is it 3%?

[fading wigeon]

But but 8.3.

[timid cloud]

I like all kinds.

They treat the vanilla milk cows the best because it tastes the best.

But I digress.

[balmy condor]

how much % is whole milk

[spice spire]

3

[balmy condor]

I don't understand how that works

[timid cloud]

We can curse the lactose intolerance (Exsang) by eating Kafir (Removing Exsang)

[balmy condor]

is there more % milk

[oak sky]

the % is the % milkfat

[timid cloud]

That way, we can milk better (deal damage.)

[balmy condor]

can I get chunky style fat-added milk

[spice spire]

Mf really be looking for raw milk

Wild

[balmy condor]

can I have the % they took away from 2% and add it to my 3% to make 4%

[oak sky]

tbh 2% milk goes incredibly hard

[timid cloud]

Thank you for coming to my TED talk on Milk & Assassination Rogue.

[oak sky]

unpasteurized goes so hard

[balmy condor]

yeah bring your girl over here

[spice spire]

Bro?

[oak sky]

🤨

[drifting cloud]

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

S2g I’ll @ Gabbi who is actually in this discord?! Why?!

Bro

[south sapphire]

rename thistle tea to Milk drink

[spice spire]

Ain’t no way

[timid cloud]

Why do you need the girl, when you can just milk your bro???

[spice spire]

It just @‘d some rando

[timid cloud]

Awkward…

[spice spire]

mfs looking for prostate milk?

This is getting out of pocket

[timid cloud]

Yes. Next question.

[spice spire]

Buff exsang

[balmy condor]

she tests things for me when I fuck up channel permissions on the stage channel for the 25th time in a row

[timid cloud]

This is going into h||orny|| territory.

[spice spire]

Ahhh that makes sense

[balmy condor]

last time I set up the tricks event, I had to change the stage permissions a whole FOUR TIMES until it worked

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

I member

[drifting cloud]

does anyone want to make a donation for my 1year sub

everything goes!

[balmy condor]

I'll donate feet pics

[drifting cloud]

that should cover the next decade

[spice spire]

They won’t

Source I’ve received several

[drifting cloud]

you just gotta get better with marketing

[spice spire]

True

[balmy condor]

those weren't aesthetic

you like long toenail or short toenail

[spice spire]

Bro please

Neither I hate feet

[balmy condor]

okay that sounds like a you problem

[minor anchor]

The longer the crunchier it is.

[regal sable]

uhm

gm assassination

[balmy condor]

So true

[regal sable]

glad to see everyone's doing well.... I guess

[balmy condor]

Day 2 of nnn, mental fortitudes are at a fever pitch

[regal sable]

nnn?

[balmy condor]

No nut november

The holiest of months

No month has as many holes, that’s a guarantee

[regal sable]

[next arch]

Does feral have better single target in raid?

[oblique jackal]

How noticeable are the buffs

[balmy condor]

gonna say they aren't

[balmy condor]

no clue about dragonflight atm, haven't seen feral sims

[oblique jackal]

Damn really ?

Not noticeable at all 🥲🥲

[next arch]

Just out of curiosity, how where they in slands?

I know balance was really good, which probably means feral wasnt.

Or atleast It was leaps and bounds ahead of feral so I just never saw them

[balmy condor]

feral single target was good

for most of the expansion

but that's all they did

[next arch]

Huh, neat.

[balmy condor]

it was like sub rogue except you removed storm and powder

and evisc was 60% of your damage

[balmy condor]

I mean it's a 3-4% overall buff, what were you expecting

top of the meters?

5% buffs on half our kit doesn't really do anything

[oblique jackal]

Anything better than being on the bottom haha

Being on the top isn’t always the best

[red tinsel]

So is Kingsbane the best built for Single target right now?

[wise phoenix]

i believe so @red tinsel

[red tinsel]

Anyone got the build setup?

[regal sable]

wowhead

[red tinsel]

ohh ok, I was using the previous one

how do you guys properly use it? Set up all bleeds, Deathmark, then Kingsbane and spam Env?

[hard gazelle]

I’m not sure about better or worse, but feral can do some pretty decent ST. Blood Talons + Life and Death creates some very nasty bleed builds.

[next arch]

Think its garote from stealth, snd, mut mut rupture, deathmark, shiv kingsbane, shiv to cover the rest of KB, vanish garrote.

Thats what Ive gathered, but that could be wrong.

[timid cloud]

Forgot flag, while it’s still around.

Also I thought the move was Gar-SND-Vanish-Gar for extension - Flag - Rup - Deathmark - shiv - KB - shiv

[south sapphire]

dont forget exsangui

before the DM

[timid cloud]

Exsang isn’t in the KB build.

[balmy condor]

I can’t wait to do more cooldown sims

[drifting cloud]

me neither

[timid cloud]

Back to the mines with you!

[balmy condor]

8 hours of CT later

[timid cloud]

I’m so full of CT spam, YUM!

Also Whispyr, was that the right opener? I feel so outta whack with it right now.

[hard gazelle]

Slightly off topic and months behind. How does double Edge if Night work?

[timid cloud]

I just wanna go back to Dusk & turn my brain off.

CP Spent = damage per stack

More stacks the lower the bosses HP is.

It’s pretty straightforward on the tooltip.

[drifting cloud]

dmg is just doubled from two, proc chance stays the same

[timid cloud]

Oh yeah, I mentioned that too the other day.

[hard gazelle]

Thanks - this is what I was trying to understand.

[timid cloud]

It’s an unreliable source. But someone said weapon procs are higher now?

I think it seems a bit silly, because why would it change randomly.

But when I see Banshees Blight at the top sometimes, it seems to put a bit of value to it.

I’d be more accurate if I had a Vein-ripper right now, but I haven’t wasted a Dinar on one.

Just wondering if anyone else had more thoughts on that.

[next arch]

ARnt we just not maximizing duration with gar vanish gar ?

Or is the pandemic window huge for some reason?

[hard gazelle]

That was what caught my attention. A similarly geared Sin rogue blew me out of the water this afternoon. I looked at uptimes to see what was different and noticed he had Edge if Night x2 and it was his top damage but quite a bit. Didn’t remember seeing that before 🤷‍♂️

[timid cloud]

I just was thinking extended DM empowered garrote did more & sped the rotation up without casting 2 mutis to get to rupture because of the 5 CP generated from Deathly.

2 EON’s at 311 will rail you because of weapon damage being king & the damage dealt being more with having 2 daggers instead of 1 or none.

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m sure the -34% damage but we took at the start has nothing to do with it

[timid cloud]

I’m just looking for more clarification though.

[balmy condor]

I don’t think shit changed

[south sapphire]

i may be wrong but the pandemic seems to not matter

[balmy condor]

Numbers just changed and edge stayed the same

[timid cloud]

We just got weaker & that’s what makes blight carry us?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[next arch]

So gar vanish gar is just 2x duration? or does it just override

[timid cloud]

I guess the simplest answer is usually the most correct one.

[balmy condor]

Override with pandemic

[south sapphire]

gar vanish gar is 23s of imp garr

[timid cloud]

I’m bad with math, I forget how much it adds.

[next arch]

So why wouldnt you use vanish later and get the extra seconds? Is it just so it aligns better?

[timid cloud]

4 seconds or something?

[balmy condor]

The first is 18 seconds seconds, then you give it 2 seconds, so it’s at 16, you cast the second garrote, it gets the max 30% pandemic for 5.4 extra, so the new garrote is 23.4, for a total of 25.4 seconds

[balmy condor]

You do

Gar snd gar

And then later on you vanish and extend that

Am i missing something

[timid cloud]

Okay, that was my mistake then. Which is what I needed to be fixed.

Nah, I was just messing up the rotation, math brain is bad.

[balmy condor]

Ah gotcha

[next arch]

wait sorry, if we gar snd gar, dont we override good gar with bad gar

[south sapphire]

no cus imp garrote

u have 3 sec

after stealth

[next arch]

NO WAY

WOAH

im so dumb

I didnt fully understand that.

[balmy condor]

That’s only with shrouded btw

It’s not worth without the extra cp

[south sapphire]

will it be worth taking just to smooth out the opening?

guess it makes garrote do more damage too

[next arch]

But isnt most of the right line sub optimal rn?

in ST anyway

[south sapphire]

hmm

[balmy condor]

Right now the best idea is to take blindside, dragon tempered, bone spike, and imp garrote

For single target

[next arch]

So no kingsbane? 😢

[south sapphire]

i think whispyr is talking about beta

[next arch]

I figured, but I like kingsbane, if its not worth taking I will violently cry.

[south sapphire]

its prolly good

best? maybe maybe not

but i think thats the point of the trees

u choose what u like and blizzard is gonna try to make it balanced

[next arch]

Yeah but we know every wow player picks whats optimal.

But I guess If i wanted optimal why am I here

[south sapphire]

[next arch]

Kingsbane + dtb sounds kinda cool.

we get 5 more points on each side right?

If so not possible KB + dtb I think.

[south sapphire]

its not

by design

[next arch]

[south sapphire]

anyway i just conviced myself to remove exsanguini from my bars

fuck that

im a filthy heroic raider, i can remove 4%

[next arch]

What was your build with exang?

I wanna try it out :)

[south sapphire]

u can prolly remove tea for strat, i barely feel like i need the tea

[next arch]

I dont think I can ever remove stat

Also acrobatic strikes is the best thing thats happened to sin

jumping between outlaw and sin back in BFA gave me cancer, having to literally succ the target im fighting.

[south sapphire]

ever tried playing arms

now thats a feelsbadman

[next arch]

Nah im not CRINGE

jokes, do they have the same problem?

[south sapphire]

yeah they do

[balmy condor]

squints at profile pic

[weak horizon]

what weakauras do you guys use?

i've been trying luxthos but i find it kind of hard to see when things are off CD

[regal sable]

I make my own

[sand elm]

afenar

[weak plover]

Are you playing with a blindfold?

[next arch]

[next arch]

I use luxthos personally, across all classes I play, theyre clean and consistent imo.

Could always just try editing them to better access what you need

[sand elm]

exsang with the kingsbane opener is really fucky

[indigo epoch]

what PB build anyone rollin with?

[deft vault]

Does CB work on bleeds?

[balmy condor]

None

[balmy condor]

No

[indigo epoch]

😦

i mean, we already not top DPS on prepatch, may as well have fun

but to be fair i havent come up with a build that isnt dog ass with it yet

[low flint]

assa will be more viable with the new talents than it was in SL? in mythic+

[wise phoenix]

is there a world where amp poison is better than KB

currently

[balmy condor]

Currently no cause you can’t get dtb

[balmy condor]

More? Maybe
Viable? If you’re doing low 20’s probably
Meta? Definitely not

[somber fractal]

is sin the only spec of any class that cant get to a certain capstone in pre-patch?

[balmy condor]

Nah

I think mages got some fucky stuff too

But uh yeah

[wise phoenix]

also is it just always venthyr for now

[balmy condor]

Prepatch omegalul shit patch

[low flint]

ty, probably gonna stick to my windwalker then, i don't like outlaw too much unfortunately

[balmy condor]

Yep

[balmy condor]

Better that way

[somber fractal]

just checked all the mage spec trees. you can get every capstone at lvl 60

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

Random twitch chatter lied to my face

How could they

[next arch]

It was me 😈 (it was not)

[balmy condor]

I cant wait for prepatch to be over

And the real game to start

[oak pulsar]

less then a month i am getting hype

that being said prepatch outlaw is ridiculous fun but im excited to get back to sin and getting ready to raid.

[balmy condor]

Time for more guide updates

This time for a REAAAAALLLL patch

None of this half baked shit

[oak pulsar]

looking forward to it i like all the stuff you put out

[balmy condor]

Miss me with the “recommend a legendary for a level 60 tree and a covenant” bullshit

Never have I been less motivated to put out guide content than prepatch

[oak pulsar]

we love and appreciate all the work and care you give to sin and this discord @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I got big stuff cumming

[indigo epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-alexis-rose-shocked-jaw-dropping-jaw-drop-gif-23524458

[proper tapir]

Or at least until raiding starts back up and we get Brian back. That guy was awesome, he'd find gains and stuff; he's the reason I started snapshotting my bleeds.

[balmy condor]

Brian a real G

[abstract junco]

I enjoy making myself custom WA textures whenever new xpacks drop. Here’s the WIP I have going for DM.

[hollow river]

that's pretty cool

what is it meant to signify exactly? does it glow or pop up when DM comes off CD, or?

[abstract junco]

I usually tie a few small marker icons that follow my cursor and light up in different ways when active/on CD

[dark shuttle]

that is some good art, well done

[fallen arch]

Now I’m curious to see a screenshot if your ui

See if we can make sense of it

[vestal wren]

looks nice

[quaint sequoia]

I don't get it, why are we using Deathly as Sin in prepatch?
I get that Duskwalkers is broken but shouldn't another sin leggo be better than Deathly?

[steel ridge]

which one would you suggest?

[quaint sequoia]

zoldyck or dashing

[jade abyss]

Today is a good day to bully exsang right ?

[whole mason]

This is fantastic!

[steel ridge]

did you sim them?

[jade abyss]

Looks awesome, but i want to put a cross in the middle :D

[steel ridge]

zoldyck doesnt do anything on sylvanas tho

[balmy condor]

sure, go for that lego then

it's prepatch

literally no one cares

play a sub legendary

go wild

[zinc vortex]

is sin good at m+ atm ? or just meh ?

[zealous summit]

mostly meh

[balmy condor]

very meh

[royal lantern]

biggest meh

[next edge]

Kinda meh

[fleet imp]

Sussy meh

[fallen arch]

ready for big buffs meh

[steel ridge]

its not that horrible

[fallen arch]

it is

This is literally where sin is this pre patch

And its prepatch so who cares

But you can't say it's not bad

[steel ridge]

what even is this chart

almost no one even plays sin in raid these times

[fallen arch]

it's m+ dps

And the question was

is sin good in m+

and the answer is just plan no

[steel ridge]

m+ logs

[fallen arch]

ye so take em with a grain of salt

it is what it is

[steel ridge]

theres a whopping 19 parses for mythic sylvanas

[balmy condor]

sims don't have it much better

[fallen arch]

parses also super whatever with this fated bullshit

Shit literally falls over

[steel ridge]

not the point

point is nobody even plays it, so the statistic is worthless

whispyr got a point tho, sims look horribly low

[fallen arch]

ye and the reason nobody plays it is because there's a better spec by a landslide

[steel ridge]

still going to play some assassination in keys later today, out of pure spite

[fallen arch]

which is totally fine

I still enioy it too

But the dam could be better

And it already is a little better with the buffs from last reset

[steel ridge]

thing is, people are so bad at the game, i will still top details

[fallen arch]

Ye same, when you pug +15s you probably will

[steel ridge]

nah i will treat myself with some 24-25

stuff has to live through carnage

[verbal tusk]

hi

[steel ridge]

hi

[verbal tusk]

kings bane or shrouded suff for my last point?

[steel ridge]

thats not really a competition mate

[balmy condor]

in... m+? or

what

[verbal tusk]

not participating in a competition.. i'm asking which is a better option.

pvp ish

[steel ridge]

#pvp

[verbal tusk]

but still good in dungeons

[regal sable]

kingsbane from those two, but rethink everything ur doing

[balmy condor]

I feel like kingsbane for sure

[steel ridge]

kingsbane is vastly more powerful than shrouded for ST tho

[verbal tusk]

hmmk. yeah I've been running kb.. was just going through my tree and seeing if i overlooked anything

[steel ridge]

go wild

[regal sable]

reminder that there are loadouts and you don't need to gimp a build for dungeons by half optimising it for pvp and same otherway around

[verbal tusk]

saw some other talents I had already picked that looked like they might synergize with shrouded

but yeah.. kings bane has been good to me thus far

i'll stick with what i have

[regal sable]

👍

[verbal tusk]

only pve I really do is fulfilling weekly quests. but I always seem to be on the low end of dps

[regal sable]

that is just assa tuning at the moment

[verbal tusk]

to be fair...i'm borderline brain dead when it comes to gaming. i'm too old to be doing this but .. i gotta have somethin to decompress

[night delta]

during deathmark, ignoring the energy side of things, would we capitalize on blindside procs, or ignore it for mut anyway ?

[regal sable]

probably ask whispyr for the latest but if I had to guess after the most recent buffs ambush beats out mut

im not a sim mastermind though :x

[verbal tusk]

should i use shiv...with the enhanced nature damage talent with it, before or after my set of bleeds?

[night delta]

I'm asking because I've come to see that, even taking all the energy talents, I can deplete energy quite a bit during deathmak, to the point I think it's possible to sneak in 1 tea and still not overcap on energy, or barely

but it requires I ignore blindside procs

seeing as tea gives out a mastery buff, I wonder if that buff and the tea energy is worth not using ambush at all during DM

[limber lion]

Not using ambush? How would that make sense?

It's still the better generator even if it did cost energy.

[limber lion]

If you get a blindside proc, you always press Ambush.

[night delta]

less poison applications, which during deathmark I don't know if that makes the difference or not

[balmy condor]

I actually looked into this after the ambush buff out of curiosity, and you can take the W knowing that it's 0.03% better with kingsbane profiles specifically if you take 2/2 improved poisons, with the 2 piece tier. If you don't have improved poisons, or you don't have tier, or you're playing dtb, using that blindside proc will be better, but shit is really really close. Keep in mind this also requires doomblade as well. So to sum up:

If you have doomblade, and 2/2 imp poison, and tier from the raid, and kingsbane, you can avoid pressing blindside. It's statistically insignificant and I had to purposely crank up the accuracy of the simulation because the base accuracy isn't precise enough to tell the difference, but it is - by all accounts - technically better

and I lowkey was sweeping the mutilate during deathmark tech under the rug cause it was like 0.2% or something before, but I also knew that ambush was probably getting a buff, so I wasn't too concerned

[regal sable]

mutilate gaming

[balmy condor]

the thistle tea energy part is irrelevant though, the lowest the sim dips even using a kingsbane build is a deficit of 55, which happens 40 seconds in

it only manages to starve itself 8 seconds later

from the point in time where it casts deathmark, to the end of deathmark, the highest deficit I've seen is a whopping 17 energy

which is not even in the same universe as a tea cast

you will never cast tea during deathmark

it just be like that

[zealous summit]

after, just before you envenom

[regal sable]

thank you for this very very contextual information
ill proceed to ignore all the conditions and tell people mut better kekw unbind ambush

[balmy condor]

well once deathmark drops you'll have to use the procs anyway

this is one of those worthless optimizations that no one on the planet really gives a shit about but probably is like 30 dps better in 3 patches when you hit some magical mastery breakpoint to make the poisons do enough damage

so uh I guess !remindme ambush during deathmark in 1 year

[regal sable]

waiting for the mastery breakpoint followed by a hotfix 0.4% reduced dmg of poisons

[balmy condor]

Oh also if at any point in time we stumble into improved ambush this logic also breaks

[night delta]

aight this was more than enough info for my pea brain, thanks

[balmy condor]

Yeah giga tldr: Button go blinky, Hit button

[regal sable]

[steel ridge]

crazy 😄

ambush needs another 20% is what i am reading

[balmy condor]

Good out of the box thinking though, solid conceptualizing

Most TC ideas don’t work out, but this one was almost there

[balmy condor]

Nah ambush fine now

[steel ridge]

wdym i want bigger numbers

more ambush more good

[balmy condor]

Blindside is really good

[steel ridge]

yeah it is

i simmed with and without it, its alot of dps

and its fucking awesome to hit

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s kinda whack that blindside and sbs are so overpoweringly strong

But I guess it be like that

[fallen arch]

We got that going which is nice

[subtle tundra]

Delete exsang

[fallen arch]

yes pls

[royal lantern]

34%mastery?

[night delta]

yeah well, it feels great but I have sometimes flirted with the 170 energy line when pressing it during deathmark

[balmy condor]

Chase your own tail furry

[royal lantern]

i wish i could

[night delta]

moment

[royal lantern]

at work and everything sucks

[balmy condor]

Nah he’s an openly public furry

[steel ridge]

finally

[balmy condor]

He opened himself to cyber bullying

It’s okay

[night delta]

nah i meant relating to my own comment

[balmy condor]

Oh

Well yeh

[steel ridge]

yeah but boner is super awesome aswell

[balmy condor]

Sims overcap fucktons of energy during Deathmark

It just doesn’t care

[fallen arch]

yeah we almost a range class now with the acrobatic strikes and the 3 charges of sbs

During Deathmark it's almost impossible I feel to spend energy and get below max

[night delta]

happens a bit less if i cast dm just after starving i've seen

[balmy condor]

Yeah blindside and sbs are cool, but I also want to play not always that ya know

Build limiting

[subtle tundra]

Funky how we got nerfed to like 43 apm and now we're back to 54 or something

[balmy condor]

Dtb is 58

[subtle tundra]

Dumb af

[balmy condor]

Be like that

[fallen arch]

you rather chill at 35 apm?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[balmy condor]

40 feels great

45 is good

[night delta]

that's a lot oO

[steel ridge]

are you running blindside in dungeons tho? more like CT right

[balmy condor]

50 is kinda speedy

[regal sable]

93 is great

[balmy condor]

Anything more is a disgrace

[regal sable]

I like playing osu with off gcd spells

[subtle tundra]

I want to watch movies during prog again... Watching a movie during sylvanas kill was peak assa

[night delta]

combustion moment

[balmy condor]

Nah no bs m+

[spare crow]

is there a tool to measure apm?

[balmy condor]

Logs have a casts per minute counter, sims report actions per minute

[spare crow]

Or do you simulate

Is there one based on current apl

rather than player-based

[sturdy merlin]

Why is it faster

more energy ?

[balmy condor]

I don’t understand what the question is I’m sorry

[balmy condor]

More energy is faster yes

[royal lantern]

inc:dashing gets nerfed again cus of energy gain

[regal sable]

does log apm include me pressing ADADAD 20 times every global?

[limber lion]

Sims show you the apm of the apl used for the sim. Logs show you the apm of the person behind the screen pressing the buttons themselves.

[royal lantern]

its not 1of the worst talents allready for a 3pointer deep inside the tree

[sturdy merlin]

No but it can include some bs such as nimble steps from nadjia soulbind

[fallen arch]

These ppl annoy me so bad tbh

stand the fuck still

[spare crow]

Exactly what I wanted to know, thank you, sorry if I misunderstood

[regal sable]

no :)

[sturdy merlin]

you gotta look carefully when you try to see how much apm you had in a log

[spare crow]

Where do I see the apm in my sims?

[balmy condor]

Full html Report

At the top

[spare crow]

ty

Ah outlaw do be speedin

[fallen arch]

dumb spec

[night delta]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[sturdy merlin]

Is this from prepatch or df ?

[spare crow]

prepatch

i just simmed myself

[sturdy merlin]

with shadowdust ?

[spare crow]

yes

[sturdy merlin]

i thought it was even faster

[night delta]

prepatch outlaw is silly

[spare crow]

true

[night delta]

is it much of a whack-a-mole spec or are the procs not that bad ?

I was discussing with a pal the other day and he told me outlaw is chill compared to ret, proc-wise

[spare crow]

I use both and that's false

Procs are fun on outlaw

but the moment you lose track of what you're doing you lose tempo and it all falls apart

again, i'm sure it won't be as hectic during df

this will be @ lv70 on df without legendaries/covenants/soulbinds etc

[royal lantern]

dead spec

[sturdy merlin]

[royal lantern]

how can ultra adhd zoomers even play that, 2digit apm

[balmy condor]

Kinda slow

[spare crow]

truu

[spare crow]

Yeah you are either on 3 layers of pure crack or well, to play outlaw optimally in prepatch is pretty unrealistic.

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen outlaw profiles pushing awfully close to 80

[spare crow]

it's way too hectic

[balmy condor]

Prot warrior levels of buttons

[night delta]

legit saw a outlaw suggestion to have a weakaura play "GAS GAS GAS" when bloodlust hits

[spare crow]

[balmy condor]

Someone sent me a prot war sim sometime in sustained aoe and it was cranking 104apm

[spare crow]

in prepatch?

[fallen arch]

yikes

[balmy condor]

Think it was 9.2.5

But it didn’t get slower in dragonflight

So

[night delta]

who said prot war wasn't fun ?

[balmy condor]

Probably still reasonable

[night delta]

fun is when buttons push more buttons more fun

[regal sable]

BRB making a prot war

[balmy condor]

Prot warrior cures adhd

[night delta]

I like accelerated gameplay from time to time but wowzers that's way too much

[uncut echo]

You'll do more dam on prot warrior than sin in m+ lmaoooo

[royal lantern]

and then you realise that its like 2buttons you spam+deffensives sometimes

[balmy condor]

Shut up

[uncut echo]

HAHAHAHA

[spare crow]

oh boy

[royal lantern]

Everything does more dmg then assa in m+ rn

[spare crow]

Guys let's all just pray that sin gets his deserved spot

[regal sable]

u ever play osu

[royal lantern]

im convinced a holy priest spamming holy nova would do more dmg

[spare crow]

in #1 damage st

#thedream

[uncut echo]

Fuck st

[spare crow]

[uncut echo]

It's all keys

[royal lantern]

kingdomhearts be like

[balmy condor]

Sin #1 single target dps for sure (windfury and 4 pi’s that should’ve gone to the mage)

[night delta]

man there's also zippers

[balmy condor]

[spare crow]

me when i write that

[uncut echo]

Yo I played new fire

It does so much dam for free, but fuck me is it boring

You just hit 1 target

[balmy condor]

Did you play any de

[royal lantern]

*warlock, they told the RL for 4months that they wont do any dmg Without the 4Pi after all

[uncut echo]

De?

[night delta]

ez nuts

[balmy condor]

DEez nuts

[uncut echo]

Deez jobs?

[balmy condor]

Deez viable specs?

[uncut echo]

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

dont know them

[uncut echo]

HARDLY KNEW HER AYYY

[night delta]

isn't fire mage beyond viable ?

[balmy condor]

It’s in the blue area of the color wheel and is a ranged caster

[next edge]

Have you tried to use swords instead of daggers? Then the wound is more deep therefore you bleed do more dlg

I just saved sin

[balmy condor]

Must be good

[next edge]

Np

[balmy condor]

8.3 vibes

[next edge]

Maybe the problem is the weapon and not the spec

[balmy condor]

“Just play 3x echoing blades and equip double slappers on hivemind bro Just pad”

Still not a top 5 spec

Nice

[night delta]

trash before hivemind + EB

was my life and blood (of the enemy) during that patch man

[balmy condor]

Yeah and you still got fucked by mages

So

[royal lantern]

god i wish

[balmy condor]

How’s that feel

[night delta]

no fire mage in my roster that season ayyyy

(maybe that's why we never got past 6)

[royal lantern]

what the fuck

fire mage was the fotm all reroll shit during that time man, how cant you have a single one

[balmy condor]

My 9.2.5 guild roster had 3 warlocks, 4 mages, 2 boomkins, and 2 hunters while I took a break

[night delta]

cuz our guild was a bunch of otps

[balmy condor]

Thank god I didn’t play 9.2.5

Jesus

[night delta]

though my best pal frost mage was doing sicko spikes on psychus

was lit seeing its life legit chunk by 15%

[uncut echo]

Damn, 9.2.5 looked like a sin dream

:(

[spare crow]

It could've been..

sinsational.

[uncut echo]

Ok

Pat pat

[ancient rain]

If only I looked at the main assa channel instead of only looking at the DF assa channel, I wouldn't have played with duskwalker all this time

[weak robin]

what is the opener currently on ST? do we do garrote, ambush/muti/ garrote to get longer improved garrote or straight up go garrote S&D as wowhead guide suggests

[balmy condor]

Gar snd without shrouded suff

Gar snd gar with shrouded suff

[uncut echo]

[marble hemlock]

Is the pandemic Garr for the damage or the CP gain?

[oak sky]

Rip df assa

[silk jolt]

if you want rips play feral

[balmy condor]

Cp mainly

Like is close without the cp

But the cp are the thing that pushes it over

[marble hemlock]

Hmye basically just wondering if/how we'd setup vanish for it

Cuz iirc in BfA; we wouldn't double garrote in vanish anymore, and just send it since its already full pandemic duration after the first cast

[balmy condor]

Yeh same thing

[uncut echo]

Give it like 2 weeks, sin will get turbo buffed and exsang deleted

[regal sable]

give it like 2 weeks, exsang will be buffed and mandatory in every possible build

[whole mason]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DC7V9vJqY3F48kXL/#fight=4&view=events&start=3006471&end=3023737
@balmy condor deathmark bug with SS

[regal sable]

pog

[balmy condor]

Deathmark duped garrote from stealth giving shrouded cp?

[regal sable]

duplicate garrote duplicate cp

sin is fixed

[sterile jackal]

Wait, sin plays with exsanguinate now?

[balmy condor]

Just a normal dup gar

Weird

[balmy condor]

Yep

[sterile jackal]

[whole mason]

if you deathmark during a vanish/subt, it dupe the gar which is considered a target for SS and gives you 2cp. I think

[balmy condor]

Oh I must’ve missed the vanish

Thank god no one’s stupid enough to Deathmark during a vanish right

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

Surely no one’s gonna do that

[whole mason]

you vanish and refresh gar and deathmark is up, what to do then?

[balmy condor]

[steel ridge]

thats why its yielding 5 cp

interesting

[balmy condor]

They shouldn’t line up like that in single target to begin with

And in aoe you gar again

[whole mason]

wdym?

[steel ridge]

huh

[balmy condor]

Your vanish and deathmark is desynced

[steel ridge]

👀

[balmy condor]

If you play your rotation properly you will never vanish before Deathmark

It just doesn’t happen

[honest vessel]

Dm first and vanish towards the end right?

[steel ridge]

oh thats what you mean

[whole mason]

dm normal gar and vanish somewhere it is up?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[whole mason]

anyway, a bug is a bug

[steel ridge]

but when you go dm-vanish-envenom-garotte-evenom

the garrote gives you 5 cp

[balmy condor]

You Deathmark the empowered gar from opener and then replace it with a vanish when that drops

[whole mason]

it is not me who needs to do the fix anyway

[balmy condor]

Why

[steel ridge]

thats what i did in raid yesterday

[balmy condor]

[steel ridge]

idk why i think the shrouded garrote double dips during deathmark

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Funny bug

[steel ridge]

what else am i supposed to do

[balmy condor]

Play a better spec

[steel ridge]

lmao

[balmy condor]

The bandana kinda annoying lowkey

Thought I would try it out

But man

[steel ridge]

yeah it is

[whole mason]

for me, I delayed the 2nd dm for exsang and er, but only this one, not the 3rd or 4th.

[balmy condor]

Worth a shot I guess

[whole mason]

which also makes vanish and dm lined up

[steel ridge]

maybe even just a feature, since you do in fact apply two garrotes right?

[balmy condor]

Nah you’d get the single cp from the gar

Don’t think that’s how it works

[whole mason]

you can somehow get 5cp with vanish gar twice during dm

idk if it is worth it

gar->0 vanish gar 5cp env gar 5cp

[marble hemlock]

can you sim if thats a gain?

[balmy condor]

Can you eat my ass?

[marble hemlock]

well yeah?

so

if i say well yeah

[whole mason]

if vanish and dm linedup and no need for 2nd gar refresh, it is dm during vanish? no?

[marble hemlock]

thats your response too

so go sim

[balmy condor]

I did

I simmed sync logic many moons ago

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

Syncing sucks

Don’t do it

[balmy condor]

Refer to this for all future questions

[steel ridge]

currently not, since deathly shadows already tops you out at 5cp

[marble hemlock]

well yeah in the opener that makes sense

[whole mason]

talking about beta

[marble hemlock]

but youre not vanishing pre Deathmark on your second one either?

[steel ridge]

that an offer or a threat?

[balmy condor]

No you slam them on cooldown

Deathmark comes up first

Slam

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

Then vanish comes up

Slam

Gg go next

No sync

[steel ridge]

and than you go muscle memory and mut-env-mut

[marble hemlock]

that sounds like it makes no sense

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

And that’s super unlucky that it doesn’t

[marble hemlock]

it is isnt it

[balmy condor]

But that’s what sims have said so far

[whole mason]

is this no dps gain due to fight time thing?

[balmy condor]

This is no dps gain due to it being no dps gain

[whole mason]

but how can we explain it? we delayed dm, big deal, sync emp'd gar with dm, however not a good gain? so in total no dps gain?

[somber fractal]

2 empowered garrotes = 1 empowered garrote

cant argue with that

[balmy condor]

I simmed it on 5 min, 10 min, doesn’t make a difference, the only way you make it work is if you cut any variance and pick a very specific fight time that loses you no exsang casts and no deathmark casts and no vanish casts

[whole mason]

how about the 2nd dm delay also lineup with exsang? also no gain due to energy gain->insignificant since in dm we're energy capped? how about the bleeding damage?

[balmy condor]

It’s a fucking mess

[subtle tundra]

Me when none of our CDs have enough synergy to care about

So we just slam

[whole mason]

Okay, I think exsang fundamentally fucked sim.

[balmy condor]

Syncing vanish to dm sucks
Syncing dm to vanish sucks
Syncing exsang to dm sucks
Syncing exsang to vanish sucks
Syncing all 3 together sucks

Any questions?

[regal sable]

yes

[whole mason]

or DF sin destroyed sim

[somber fractal]

sin is turning out to be a big headache. probably gonna go back to DK unfortunately

[regal sable]

when maplestory?

[subtle tundra]

Penis

[regal sable]

👉👈

[balmy condor]

Tomorrow, weekly reset happened I’m tryna slam

[regal sable]

[balmy condor]

Today?

Later?

It’s 5am I have no concept of time and exsang is back in the conversation

Gonna keep myself safe

[regal sable]

same

[balmy condor]

Fucking hate this timeline

[regal sable]

going to exsang myself irl in minecraft

[whole mason]

it is all because exsang shorten dm, isn't it?

[royal lantern]

would it not be possible to delay the 2nd dm to line it up with vanish, and then they are lined up for the rest if the fight...?

dunno how good that actually would be tbh