assassination

[balmy condor]

but now you also introduced a pvp shitshow

[night delta]

Yeah, the effort to evacuate it from general-purpose builds is not worth the issues

[balmy condor]

delete and replace brother

[night delta]

Now I see, thanks for the insight

[balmy condor]

np

[vestal dune]

It is probably the worst idea ever, but I wonder how interesting the gameplay could be if exsanguinate only affected rupture and it uncapped the pandemic on rupture

[night delta]

Though I still think a sniping option of some kind would benefit our spec

[vestal dune]

So you just spam ruptures and keep doubling the tick rate until the bleed drops

[night delta]

Seeing as if things die too quick, we do jack shit

[vestal dune]

Would make envenom shit unless you were forced to also have something like kingsbane

[balmy condor]

so you would stack like 10 ruptures for a 3min rupture and then exsang it to a 1:30 rupture?

[sturdy merlin]

KB build does some weird stuff right after pressing DM, last time i checked it was DM > mut > env > KB > shiv

[balmy condor]

and then just sit there and do nothing for 1:30

[sturdy merlin]

does it env at low CP just to make sure we have 100% env uptime during KB ?

[balmy condor]

that's accurate

it never casts kb until envenom is up

[vestal dune]

Yeah, but it doesn't snapshot, instead keeps the exsanguinate tick rate and adds more duraiton to the current accelerated one

[balmy condor]

not going into kb with env is a loss

[fringe yoke]

just make ensaguinate to consume all bleeds and do insta damage xD ez fix

[sturdy merlin]

And you never shiv before KB ?

[subtle tundra]

[vestal dune]

So at one point rupture just ticks fast enough that you drop it

[night delta]

Groundhog day moment

[sturdy merlin]

For the buffed initial hit

[balmy condor]

that I think it should do, but might've been borked from some stuff

[balmy condor]

we just went over why that's bad

I mean it's a torghast mechanic for a reason

[vestal dune]

its stupid becvause you would just do not exsanguinate at one point because the insane energy regen

Yeah, stupid idea

[balmy condor]

so you can rupture the exsang'd rupture?

[fringe yoke]

ofc im was just making a joke.. should have been more explicit in it being a joke xD

[vestal dune]

Yeah, and exsanguinate the exsanguinated rupture

[balmy condor]

okay so problem 1.

that's just passive exsang

problem 2.

[night delta]

Have we not learned from 9.0 beta

[balmy condor]

that crashes world servers

sbs worked with exsang

and it brought down the entire upper half of bastion when someone stacked exsang like 4 times on a world boss

problem 3. that's infinite energy

problem 4. the ramp time on that is ridiculous

[vestal dune]

Yeah, terrible idea, but I don't know why I would like to have a gameplay of feeding a bleed that becomes unmanageable at one point and drops to begin again

Like a minigame of how hard you can stack it

No clue how it could be implemented tho

[fringe yoke]

on a serious note.. and i know it would be boring* AF.. but why not make a CD more like death mark... puts a new bleed on target and doules damage ticks or something*... or even better why not make it a CD where your damage is upped for each poison/dot you have currently on the target

[vestal dune]

Bleed would need to have an accelerating tick rate or something

[balmy condor]

that second one is just lethal dose

[night delta]

wasn't fire mage ignite like that at some point long ago, but with all the fire mages contributing to whoever put it up first ?

Feeding a monster dot across the encounter

[vestal dune]

Could be, never played fire tbh

[fringe yoke]

yeah in a what it is... but LD is apssive.. i was thinking bigger buff, etc.. or i guess somehting to interact with your poisons/bleed while not messing with timers

what do people most hate about it? that is reduces de bleed times etc?

[night delta]

Clunky

[fringe yoke]

(i know this is dif* from person to person ofc)

[night delta]

It puts chaos in an usually well ordered rotation

Things like ingoring pandemic to refresh, not lining up with other CDs etc

[fringe yoke]

ok, how about make it extend/refesh all bleeds as if they were in pandemic? not gona lie.. still boring as fuck but might be a cool ideia..

[night delta]

Hm, wondering if it'd have value if it was similar to afflock's new soulswap

[fringe yoke]

you have to move away, use to not lose uptime on poisons

etc

[night delta]

Maybe applying both gar and 4cp rupt and 4cp CT (if talented) in a single gcd or something

No added effects, just speedier dot application

Could be a tool after boss downtimes, or when your pandemic windows conveniently sync

[jade abyss]

Would it be bad when exang would be a additional "execute" bleed 🤔

[royal lantern]

would it be bad when they just delete exsang and dont even replace it with Something 🤔

[jade abyss]

[fringe yoke]

or have it as passive and it replaces rupture under 30% or something... i guess that can work

i wouldnt mind that.. but im biased since i kinda like the ideia that rogue has a execute

[subtle tundra]

or delete exsang

i always come up with the best and easiest solutions

[fringe yoke]

i dont disagree with that xD

[novel arrow]

wait what

Why does my Shadowdance Talent cd say 8 seconds

?!

[balmy condor]

because you're in sub

[novel arrow]

Nvm it changed back after I specced into it

First time logging in since the update. I was like Omg, what have they done

[fringe yoke]

delete exsang or put SnD back to passive... choose 1

loool

[jade abyss]

Snd

[vestal dune]

They could just remove the snapshoting part of exsang, like deathmark but without adding another bleed

[jade abyss]

Btw will the cos ring be bis as sin in df?

[balmy condor]

you're asking that now?

[vestal dune]

A debuff that for the next 20-30 seconds makes all bleeds tick twice as fast but shortens their duration by half while it lasts

But it would be awkward, because do you make the bleeds timer go down 2 seconds every second? Do you show the halved duration and once the debuff is gone duplicates its duration :/

[subtle tundra]

More cringe

Make it 2 min cd with a bleed dmg multiplier

[fringe yoke]

press ensanguinate and all damage you do during X seconds replicates when exsanguinate* ends

[subtle tundra]

So even if it's cringe you use it 1 time every 2 min and has actual value

[oak sky]

Delete exsang add new dot reduction/compression thing that doesnt suck

[uncut echo]

Turn exsang into malefic rapture for aoe, only outacales envenom in 3+ targets

With scent of blood and IC you will fucking shred people

Put ST elsewhere in the kit, or turn all 3 points into 2 points so you can take 2 cap stones

[vestal dune]

I think it could out damage envenom even in st, but make it cost like 80-100 energy

In aoe we have infininte energy, but no big spender to use it on

[thin cliff]

so people use deathly shadows leggo now?

[balmy condor]

yep

[uncut echo]

That's bad

Whispyr make us use a different one

I'm angy :<

[balmy condor]

duskwalker soon.tm

[subtle tundra]

Play a legendary you have in your inventory

You're welcome

[timid cloud]

They’re all cheeks though.

[subtle tundra]

Yea so is the spec yet peole are playing it

[timid cloud]

You’re right. Let me put on Bloodfang.

I’ll heal the enemy even more than I am right now.

[thin cliff]

i'm assuming zoldyk leggo and talent doesn't stack.

[royal lantern]

yes, talents overwrite legendarys with the same effect

[thin cliff]

good to know.

[night bronze]

question, i just land to prepatch, with carnage and flag combo, if i flag then carnage to 8 target do i get full flag

[limber lion]

No

[uncut echo]

That'd be pog

[sudden smelt]

hey mates, I did not play assa a long time, is it atm playable in keys 20+ and higer compared to outlaw ? I would be really thankfull about any infomations.

[vestal wren]

assassinaiton is not competing in pre patch with outlaw, same with subtlety

[sudden smelt]

ok thanks, I thoungt maybe the last patch did bring something up

[vestal wren]

beta is a bit diffrent, specs are closer

[next arch]

Decanter good?

[vestal wren]

should be alright, but you can just throw it in a sim

[next arch]

Yeah, its simming best for me at the current moment, but it just seems boring.

I guess best sometimes = boring.

[neon siren]

Anyone got an approximate m+ dps difference between sin/outlaw after the minor buff?

[copper hazel]

a lot

still

[neon siren]

my gear is garbage so havent bothered simming

[balmy condor]

Between 20% and 25% in dragonflight, and probably double that in prepatch

[uncut echo]

Sadly outlaw is just unfathomably good in keys during prepatch

[peak bobcat]

no the other specs are just fucking terrible

[uncut echo]

I mewn, yes

But outlaw is one of the best melee. Good consistent dps and amazing utility

Safe as hell too

[peak bobcat]

Does outlaw have the least amount of utility in keys out of the three rogue specs now?

since everyone gets gouge?

[balmy condor]

That means it’s all the same more or less

It’s basically iron wire versus dance cheap shots

[next edge]

Outlaw has BF

Which makes him already super good

Unless tuned to shit

[peak bobcat]

best utility in the game

[next edge]

Well

You basically do AoE with 1 button

While doing insane priority/st

So yeah

[peak bobcat]

About to start the month break, tilting doing tank dps in all content

[next edge]

Im just against all this outlaw hate from the other specs. I enjoy all 3 of them. Probably outlaw the least but I have lot of fun playing it

[next edge]

Just press activate in the middle button on talent tree

[peak bobcat]

I do

[regal sable]

i hate outlaw because its the first of the 3 Gs

[royal lantern]

doing high dmg?

[regal sable]

gatekeep gaslight girlboss

[peak bobcat]

I don't hate outlaw

[spice spire]

Constantchap can’t hate outlaw

[regal sable]

oh true

what i meant to say is

link me a sim baboon

(?)

[balmy condor]

You mean consistentlad?

[regal sable]

thats continuousdude to u

[spice spire]

Perpetualbuddy

[royal lantern]

endlessmate?

[cunning tartan]

Who the best rogue spec?

[subtle tundra]

Me

[uncut echo]

Can confirm

I'd let beta shadowstep on my throat

[spice spire]

What the fuck

[subtle tundra]

😏

[uncut echo]

[vernal cliff]

Ran a key as assassination's for first time since season 2 was pretty fun 🫡

Wish Assass had a killing spree tho

[vestal wren]

play outlaw if you chase the meta, else play what you want

[twilit parcel]

How's assassination looking forwards?

[peak bobcat]

not too different than it plays now

tuning who knows

[twilit parcel]

Sooo.. Outlaw If I wanna push or progress In DF?

[peak bobcat]

Depends on tuning

ask again on nov 28

[uncut echo]

Ask again after week 1 or 2 of raid

[royal lantern]

exsang

[uncut echo]

[tender folio]

I love that sin is so much fun to play again

[spare crow]

[celest drift]

Too soon to be told. Being behind the pack prior to the release can be a good thing tho (we can expect more buffs in futur tunings, or we can stay behind and be sad )

But hey, PlaY WhAT YoU WaNt

[tender folio]

We're all casuals these days

[celest drift]

Yeah probably, i just can't raidlead and be good at outlaw in the same time. Far more easier to RL as sin for me

[oblique jackal]

We just got buffed

Solid one across the board. Will be competitive. Sin is better for progress

[vernal cliff]

Is Vendetta gone?

[pure moth]

Its now deathmark

[lime edge]

hows sin rogue nowadays

with prepatch

[south sapphire]

its epic

Do we Garrote DM ---> Rupture or Garrote ----> Rupture DM as an opening

sac some seconds of garrote or some from rup

[peak bobcat]

[split cipher]

Doesn't abuse any SL borrowed power like other classes but fun to play

[violet jackal]

well placed steel conduit with double shiv charge is kind of abuse

[graceful crow]

pls blizzard buff ASSA Prayge

I mean more

[night delta]

last time I checked WPS was 1%

was it fixed ?

[sturdy merlin]

1% WPS is intended

[night delta]

well intended or not, it kinda makes it irrelevant to double shiv

[vernal cliff]

Wish I read the pins before making duskwalker

LOL

[night delta]

I had a bunch of different legendaries and sacked them all the day before prepatch

"I don't need them anyway"

now i'm stuck with nonfunctional dusk

[vernal cliff]

😭

I was using shadowdust because I just swapped assass from outlaw to try it out

made duskwalker

10 minutes ago

looked at pins and saw I read it wrong

[lime edge]

what if i drop this and grab exsang instead

[violet jackal]

test and let us know 🙂

[vernal cliff]

Exsang used to be 400% right?!

back in like Legion

[marble hemlock]

yes

[vernal cliff]

🔥 Bring it back

[uncut echo]

Fuck exsang

Legit dogass ability

[spice spire]

Haters

[uncut echo]

Easy to hate ability

Quake, your dog is fucking adorable

[brazen zodiac]

sup quale

[spice spire]

Howdy, and ty ahri. He’s my best friend, and a sweetheart to boot. He’s still dealing with his hair not growing back on his back or id post more dog pics and less cat pics

[brazen zodiac]

show anyway

wait u have cats too? i forgot

[spice spire]

Singular cat, a kitten. We adopted, he’s sweet but a shit. I’ll post In a proper place

[brazen zodiac]

socute

[teal snow]

Post pet pics.

Animals make everyone's day better.

[odd fossil]

Hey folks I’m lookin into rogue and ass in particular for DF, how do you all feel about the state of the spec, the talents, all that going into the expansion. Specifically geared towards m+

[spice spire]

Check #off-topic @teal snow ahri even posted their animals!

[odd fossil]

I know rogue kinda always has a role in m+ but how about ass in particular

[spice spire]

Geared toward m+, it still is a bit rough compared to say outlaw.
Sin is what I play so I always enjoy it, but there are definite qualms.
Right now it’s middle of the line and fine

Outlaw is just straight up better in m+ based on current sims

[odd fossil]

Outlaw would you say leans towards the top end of m+ classes?

[spice spire]

That have it 20-30k ahead in 408 BiS

[odd fossil]

I’ve been told Outlaw is a lot

[fallen arch]

408 BIS pog

[spice spire]

Unsure, I don’t pay attention to many other classes sims

[odd fossil]

How’s the state of the generic talent tree

Are you happy with it

[spice spire]

Like the rogue tree, or assassination?

[odd fossil]

The like one that all rogues have access to

The left one

[spice spire]

Lukewarm

[subtle tundra]

Fuck er

[uncut echo]

Very lukewarm about class

[subtle tundra]

Sd weak for assa

So you are stuck with 1 tree

[uncut echo]

Very little wiggle room to get the shit you want

[odd fossil]

I’m coming from spriest where to have a proper damage build we have to give up all our survivabilty

[uncut echo]

You nearly mever deviate and a lot of the nodes you'd think about taking you almost never do

It's nothing like shaman or warlock

But it serves us ok

[odd fossil]

I’ve looked at warlock but their immobility scares me particularly destro

It’s got a lot of 4 second channels

Seems rough in mechanic heavy dungeons

[uncut echo]

Dont need mobility

If you are unkillable

[odd fossil]

Fair they are tanky

Everyone gets SL

[uncut echo]

I think tanky is an understatement

[restive dawn]

hello! if i am using the exsanguinate talent, should i be using it on cooldown? just trying to get a grip on new abilities after taking a short break

[spice spire]

All that to say, maybe. Hasn’t been worked completely in sims afaik

[viscid spear]

[brazen zodiac]

lmao

[restive dawn]

Got it! Thank you; just wanted to clarify ☺️

[spice spire]

No worries

[undone eagle]

Guys how do i even solve the talent tree to unlock Dragon-Tempered Blades? 😂 always -1 point needed

[subtle tundra]

get on beta or get lvl 61

[undone eagle]

ah, do we get additional 9 points 60-70?

[subtle tundra]

5 and 5

[undone eagle]

ah 5 base class and 5 spec right?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[undone eagle]

thnx 🙂

[viscid spear]

Well I'm really liking Frost rn, gotta play Sin more so I don't leave it behind again.

[uncut echo]

Dk or mage?

[spice spire]

Mage

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

Gm quaker

[spice spire]

Good afternoon brethren

[hollow river]

Never talk to me anymore

[spice spire]

Hope you’ve been well and are ready for df

I’ve been on hiatus

[royal lantern]

allright, really stupid question incomming: we let the improved garrote run out and then apply a new normal one right?

[hollow river]

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

No lifting life

So I can no life wow

Assuming you can’t place another improved, yes tyran.

[hollow river]

Same to you

[royal lantern]

can we pandemic improved?

or is there some wonky stuff that prevents it

[spice spire]

Once you reapply it’s no longer improved afaik

[royal lantern]

nah i mean on pull

the improved one is on the enemy, can you vanish garrote for a pandemic one

i legit dont know cus i never really checked lol

[hollow river]

So are we still forcing pandemic dots before exsang

[royal lantern]

we pray that exsang gets deleted before launch

[hollow river]

I want to play exsang ngl

[royal lantern]

cease

[celest ruin]

imagine waking up and see they replaced exsang with red ink

[oak sky]

Think its on cd if bleeds are not in pandemic

[royal lantern]

world peace achieved

[spice spire]

I’d assume yes.
I can test later to be sure - ngl and say I’m fully prepped 4 weeks out

[royal lantern]

good to know that im not the only one that is not sure about that stuff

[calm tangle]

always felt like there's a component missing from exsang. like, the sped up bleeds is cool, but GCD stays the same and the bleeds have to be reapplied sooner.
Like, make exsang. have its own dot/bleed aswel that atleast tickles

[royal lantern]

and, you know

the CD making it cluncky as hell

and the entire fact that exsang just means "you do the same dmg faster, apply your bleeds again :)"

[hollow river]

Would at least feel better if we lined it up with DM

Somewhat

[royal lantern]

would at least feel better if they just deleted exsang already

[hollow river]

On CD is kinda feelsweirdman

[ebon notch]

@subtle tundra

[subtle tundra]

hi

[calm tangle]

is Duskwalker's really working on Deathmark?

[royal lantern]

in theory yes

but it does not rn

[calm tangle]

Been hitting the dummies for a bit now and noticed it. Vanishing into Deathmark, both 2m CD, Vanish still comes off a few globals before deathmark. Meh :<

[royal lantern]

"a few globals"

it feels like 10years lol

[calm tangle]

my perspective of time is abit off, I was using Vanish at 3+CP -> Garrote -> Rupture -> Deathmark :p

[violet jackal]

deathmark doesn't register that i pressed it in my opener sometimes because i push buttons too fast

[grim tangle]

yeah because you're used to vendetta being off gcd

[molten timber]

It needs to be taken off the GCD or give CP or summit. It feels awkward to press atm, like it does damage, but doesn't cost energy or give CP so it just feels weird.

[oak sky]

The fact that it doubles bleeds and applies one of its own is probably the reason why

From what realz said one of the goals of the rework was to make it feel strong enough that being on gcd didnt feel as bad

[late birch]

Not sure if it was mentioned but does Carnage apply empowered garrote on all targets from stealth?

[violet jackal]

tie in the deathly shadow effect of giving you 5 cp and amping damage for 12 seconds while still replicating bleeds. that should be powerful enough

[oak sky]

Yeah

[molten timber]

It's a potent CD, I don't think anyone could argue it isn't. I just feel like it is an awkward button to press. I'd be happier if it cost 25-35 energy and gave a CP with a chance for Seal Fate, akin to Kingsbane and Sepsis.
Especially during the opener, that "empty" global just feels bad to me.

[royal lantern]

it applies EVERYTHING the abilitys would normaly apply in the aoe

aka if you play iron wire, its a huge aoe silence etc...

[thorn crater]

So basically you fit a shiv in there somewhere so you have both charges back up after DM runs out for KB?

Cause I don’t see how you fit KB in the opener

Since you would like to shiv and envenom with it

[whole mason]

dm shiv kb?

[thorn crater]

And never envenom?

Cause u will have used exsa

[whole mason]

wdym by never env?

[thorn crater]

Which means refreshing rupture

About halfway through

[whole mason]

refreshing rupt if necessary will be only one finisher

[thorn crater]

That’s a lot of gcds and I don’t have beta access so I can’t picture it hence my question

[whole mason]

you will have a lot in dm

how is that never env?

[thorn crater]

But like, there is no synergy between DM and poisons anyway correct?

So you can just as easily have it after the dm

[whole mason]

dm duplicate your poisons

[thorn crater]

Isn’t it just bleeds?

[oak sky]

Weapon poisons and garrote and rupture

[royal lantern]

garrote, rupture and lethal poisons

[thorn crater]

So no KB

[royal lantern]

yep

[thorn crater]

Since it’s a toxin

[royal lantern]

lethal poisons=weapon poisons

[whole mason]

you can access talents on wowhead

[royal lantern]

i mean, we have deathmark on live servers aswell lol

[whole mason]

oh, true

[royal lantern]

[whole mason]

lethal poison is a type of weapon poison

[molten timber]

It doesn't duplicate KB, but it DOES duplicate Lethal poison applications, which means you ramp KB harder during DM.

[thorn crater]

So I assume after the whole amp poison thing is fixed

DTB would be better than KB for the extra lethal poison no?

[oak sky]

Supposedly amp poison is affected by mastery on beta now

[south sapphire]

Wasn't amp already fixed?

[whole mason]

what is this mastery influence?

[thorn crater]

Oh Ure right

[oak sky]

It was bugged

[whole mason]

increase percentage based on 35%?

[oak sky]

Just the initial hit i believe

[thorn crater]

I just thought that having both DP and amp would overcover KB

[whole mason]

or master not increasing the amp poison dmg?

[thorn crater]

With a couple of envenoms

Honestly I’m speaking out of my ass know

[oak sky]

Sim always knows

[thorn crater]

I know

[whole mason]

what was bugged? amp poison instant damage?

[oak sky]

Yes

[whole mason]

oh

[oak sky]

Not affected by mastery

[molten timber]

DTB has more consistently high DPS, but KB bursts much higher, especially on single target.
It'll be fight dependant, but KB with Thistle tea especially feels REALLY good on single target.

[thorn crater]

There was a way to get both KB and IC right?

Talent wise

[whole mason]

yes.

[south sapphire]

Sincs dance is simming poopoo I guess we always take tea?

[oak sky]

Pretty much

[whole mason]

dance wont be competing with tea anyway?

[south sapphire]

Very very cursed

[sand elm]

ew exsang

[whole mason]

no lethal dose?

[oak sky]

Exsang is bis

[royal lantern]

tbf, the only cursed thing is skipping lethal dose

[thorn crater]

Ok why is this bad for ST dmg?

[sand elm]

i know, doesnt mean its not ew tho

[whole mason]

exsang will be bis i think

[oak sky]

You dont have to skip lethal dose to get both

[royal lantern]

i mean in his tree he linked there

[thorn crater]

Cause I’ve read that ST is doomed if u take IC

[oak sky]

It has ic

[sand elm]

i wanna try something like this and see how it does

[thorn crater]

Doesn’t KB help alleviate that?

[south sapphire]

It was either exsanguini or lethal

[oak sky]

Ic does 0 st damahe

[royal lantern]

lethal

fuck exsang

[molten timber]

You don't get Poison bomb or Dashing in trade for big AoE burst. Makes your ST much worse for a small AoE trade off.

[royal lantern]

drop that exsang playrate to 0

so that they need to react and change it

[thorn crater]

I see. Ty

[oak sky]

Venom rush is big energy, a lot more than dashing 👀

[thorn crater]

I mean in M+ though

Cause all the M+ builds skip kb

I thought it would give SOME st

Since ic does poop

[oak sky]

Its opportunity cost

[sand elm]

that was the only thing i didnt know. i have no way to test the math between them

[oak sky]

You lose other stuff if you go kb

[south sapphire]

Envenoming in aoe makes.me wanna die

[royal lantern]

@thorn crater the thing is more like, rn, when you go IC you spend a shitton of points to get IC and sacrifice quiet some ST dmg for it, but IC is not that great overall aswell cus you still do very mediocre to bad aoe dmg

so its like

you make your st weaker to get SOME aoe

or you go full st and have close to 0 aoe

🙂

[oak sky]

Scent is minimal st gain, and ic is literally 0 its just how it is

[thorn crater]

Then in that case is it comparable to a DTB build that only sacrificed a couple of points to just get CT? Since the instant dmg is good now? @royal lantern

[molten timber]

I was trying a DTB build with only Tempest speced for AoE, it doesn't beat out Carnage on burst AoE, but if things live long enough to ramp, Poison bomb is uncapped and hits really hecking hard. Upkeep the bleed and envenom when possible.

[oak sky]

Whispyr was saying the highest simming build for dungeon slice was ic with 2 points in zoldyck

[royal lantern]

not suprising tbh

[whole mason]

with or without pb?

[oak sky]

Ye

No pb

[royal lantern]

like, all our aoe dmg is bleed/poisons

and passive more dmg when enemys get lower helps there

[signal pier]

assa feels really fun

[royal lantern]

fuck exsang

otherwhise its good

[molten timber]

Only way I take exsang or reprimand is if they are MILES above other options.

[oak sky]

Yeah basically the more targets you add the higher % of your damage is in the dots, so the more value you get from zoldyck

Exsang is miles above other options

[thorn crater]

How difficult is it to code a dynamic dot?

[whole mason]

dance and ma?

[sand elm]

dashing also has the crit chance

[thorn crater]

That does more dmg the longer it stays on a target?

[oak sky]

No

Lemme find it

[whole mason]

...picking st nodes then?

[oak sky]

#tww-assassination message

[whole mason]

idk about er in m+ without dance

It looks pathetic anyway. so sad about that much efforts in IC

[oak sky]

Idk that was whispyr's best sim

[sand elm]

is that just as much aoe as possible build?

[whole mason]

this is what "we" wanted, the unique skill expression

it'll be fixed 11.0

[signal pier]

my monkey brain hurts from new talent system

[royal lantern]

huh

[sturdy merlin]

@balmy condor now we pump https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j4nE6bKCMXaEW2hvH5p4W1

oops i mean i can compete with a 280 ilvl outlaw my bad

[whole mason]

I think we'd add BF to general tree with 2 nearby targets. It then solves almost everything, including sin's dot and sub's cleave, and we can pick a different talent replacing IC.

[sand elm]

is blindside better for KB than tiny toxic blade?

[blazing snow]

How does subterfuge interact with empowered garrote? All they all empowered?

[south sapphire]

Yes but no point

Since u already get that from the assa tree

[whole mason]

imp gar provides imp'd gars

[oak sky]

No its just the best m+ boss+ aoe style build

[blazing snow]

So if you're assasination you don't need to take subterfuge?

[oak sky]

Its a mkx

[whole mason]

subt however provides extra cps from SS

[south sapphire]

Yep

[blazing snow]

ty

[oak sky]

Blindside is just a strong st talent mostly

[sweet inlet]

is there an updated Talent build for raiding? cant seem to see a different build on wowhead that uses KB?

[oak sky]

The thing ttb does is be 1 point instead of maim+blindside being 2 points

[whole mason]

systemic fail provides not that much, but BS is a big node

[sturdy merlin]

Yes by FAR

Blindside good

very good

Hitting ambush = dopamine

[sand elm]

i thought blindside was better just in general, but id seen people say TTB is good for QoL with kingsbane

with the 0 energy cost on shiv

[oak sky]

If you take the m+ build for example you barely mut/ambush so taking 1 point in ttb is better than taking the 2 mut/ambush talents

[whole mason]

one kb in dm you wont have energy issue. the other one you use you'd drink tea. so it helps but not that much?

[violet jackal]

there something wrong with that sim it's finishing on 4/6 a lot

[oak sky]

Qol could be a thing tho, sure but either way the sim would tell you what build does more damage

So like qol might be invalidated by doing less

[sturdy merlin]

On which spell ? i didn't look at it very closely

[sand elm]

hmm might change some things on my current build then

[violet jackal]

everything

[sturdy merlin]

The apl finishes on low cp for envenom because it wants 100% uptime during KB windows, other stuff can be for pandemic+exsang

or just crits

better ask the sim man here

[hidden crown]

is amplifying poison worth taking or do I switch to Twist the Knife>

[oak sky]

Uh neither one is too strong

Amp poison probably

[violet jackal]

but then if that's the case taking deeper strategem wouldn't be worth

[oak sky]

Amp is better with the mastery fix, but still might be a little weak

[oak sky]

Baseline 5% finisher damage isnt bad

[whole mason]

amp is default for dtb, right?

[oak sky]

Yeah for dtb pretty much just amp

[sand elm]

amp/deadly at 70 with DTB

[whole mason]

without dtb, the problem is amp needs to be dmg gain significantly than deadly.

which is then a problem if dtb is selected

[south sapphire]

Why with dtb?

Wouldn't that be an issue for the talent itself

Dtb kinda solves the issue

[sand elm]

deadly is better than amp, so ud only use amp with dtb

and amb is better than instant

[hidden crown]

dtb?

[south sapphire]

Dragon tempered blades

[hidden crown]

oh yeeeaaah

[south sapphire]

Yeah I guess it's kinda weird since if you only take Amp you are basically losing dps

Or is st amp a bit better?

[sand elm]

deadly still better i think

i dont think theres a situation where ud take amp and not DTB

[hidden crown]

then wouldnt it be better to switch to TtK instead of amp at the moment?

[south sapphire]

They should rly make Amp an envenom cleave poison

[sand elm]

i would. ttk makes keeping envenom up so much easier

[hidden crown]

I agree ^^
then TtK until amp becomes better

how is kingsbane rn?

[sand elm]

im running it for raids

doing pretty well so far

[south sapphire]

Do you skip sbs then?

Or pb

[sand elm]

sbs

is what im trying out currently

[hidden crown]

that looks more fun T^T

[sand elm]

give it a try

its not working out that badly for me

[hidden crown]

send me the code ^^

[sand elm]

BMQAOB/7AZ//CwQOf4fPMswHVjkIJISAAAAAAAAJAkkAAAAAAAQQaUSCSSSaBikgQkkE

[balmy condor]

Hey wow look at that kingsbane build

Awfully familiar

[sand elm]

yeh its an altered version of the one u put on wowhead 😛

[oak sky]

Exsanguinate

[sand elm]

wowhead one uses ttb

[oak sky]

Best spell

[sand elm]

and improved poisons

[hidden crown]

I thought the same just without thistle tea

[sand elm]

i took points out of improved poisons and ttb to get blindside and master assassin + doomblade

[hidden crown]

what covenant are you?

[sand elm]

venthyr

[hidden crown]

smart

[sand elm]

only thing im not sure about is if theres something better to use instead of doomblade

[balmy condor]

Yeh blindside good but I can’t say I give my blessing on master assassin

[sand elm]

i only took it cos the 60 version of the kb build makes the opener ass

[iron valve]

improved poisons seems like something you'd want for kb

[sand elm]

u get sod all combo points during the opener with 1 cp on garrote

[balmy condor]

Quality of life talent

[sand elm]

ideally id like shroud but not enough points

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[sand elm]

at 61 i could probably move master assassin to something else

[balmy condor]

I think if you swap ma for IP, doomblade for exsang

You’re bis

[sand elm]

i should probably try it. will need to get used to using exsang anyway

[sand elm]

does 5% poison application chance really make that much of a difference?

[hollow flare]

Subcreation shows assa as F tier, I find myself doing more dmg in assa than outlaw rn, how are u guys finding it?

[sand elm]

we're certainly lower than outlaw, but i wouldnt say F tier

[balmy condor]

Not really but it’s the best you got

[sand elm]

we're not marksman hunter levels

[sand elm]

fair enough

[balmy condor]

I mean we probably are in m+

[hollow flare]

Ya was surprised to see f tier, but could also just be community perception, not a lot of ppl playing it?

[balmy condor]

But if you find yourself doing more damage with Assassination right now something is terribly wrong

[sand elm]

i think thats the case with rogue in general

[balmy condor]

The gap between outlaw and Assassination has never been bigger

[sand elm]

in terms of leather users ive seen way more feral druids, monks and demon hunters

[south sapphire]

Why think when u can zug zug

[subtle tundra]

yea but i can gap them in iq checks

[balmy condor]

Iq checks don’t give you 10k dps

[subtle tundra]

but swapping class to feral does

[oak sky]

Yeah i can see why the channels are closing now

Df channels are leaking now

[balmy condor]

Just varas dooming

[oak sky]

Always has been

[hidden crown]

okay I'll just stick with aoe assassination just because of the essences in every boss fight -w-\

[dark token]

Are you using 2 daggers as outlaw cause that's weird

[hollow flare]

Nah 2 fists

But I was thinking about it, and I think I was comparing a key where I just redone my ui and didn’t have good uptime on blade flurry or roll

[sand elm]

this build must be doing something right

getting top dps in lfr. not much of an achievement but better than i was doing before

[violet jackal]

lfr. . .

[oak sky]

Everyones got their own goals and standards bro

[sand elm]

i rerolled to this character like 2 weeks ago and dont have a guild. dont judge me

[hollow flare]

Rather do lfr than actually raid

[violet jackal]

I'm not judging you pursay just the comparison method 🤣

[sand elm]

im only 259 ilvl so not like i can even try in heroic pugs

[novel arrow]

Question: Are we missing points off both trees come dragonflight max level? Or just off 1 tree?

[sand elm]

5 points off both currently

[south sapphire]

Do we kb before dm?

[minor anchor]

Is 259 not like when people start doing heroic?

[south sapphire]

Or dm kb and go crazy on envenoms

[minor anchor]

Or am I just hella entitled to being in a guild

[south sapphire]

259 doesn't even get you into normals

[sand elm]

its possible, but pugs are pugs. unless ur 311 nobody wants u

[south sapphire]

259 barely gets you in a +2 m+ nowadays

[balmy condor]

Dm env kb

[south sapphire]

Ty

[keen locust]

I guess assassination rogues still suck... ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[keen locust]

Bummer....

Only spec I like now

[sand elm]

just hold out till 11.0 and they might buff us enough to undo the aura nerf

[wooden sentinel]

i thought it was buffed? I'm a bit lost here.

[sand elm]

it was, but nothing really of matter

[wooden sentinel]

Don't forget everybody : When dragonflight will launch, the rest will loose conduits and legendaries effect. Those combos with talents for other classes might just break down

[sand elm]

i think blizz have yet to realize how much the massive aura nerf actually affected us

unless they want us to stay where we are

[south sapphire]

[wooden sentinel]

Only copium can save my mind.

[royal lantern]

i actually did 5k more dps then a tank

[sand elm]

sounds like a bug

[wooden sentinel]

What's wrong with assa? I really thought it was going to be strong...i storngly think conduits + legendaries are making the rest OP

[south sapphire]

They surely are gonna fix our problems once tuning is done

[sand elm]

[balmy condor]

In prepatch its an unbalanced nightmare so outlaw is crazy ahead of the other two rogue specs

In dragonflight Assassination single target is basically equal to the other specs but the raid has burst cleave which we’re trash at, and m+ exists, which we’re also trash at

[wooden sentinel]

[south sapphire]

In aoe scenarios we have to sacriface too much to gain Aoe, and even when we do our aoe is subpar since it's mostly dot based

And if u buff dots for aoe you buff them for st

Something like that

[novel arrow]

Is it impossible to get Dragon Tempered and Kingsbane?

[sand elm]

yup

can get kb and ic tho

[limber lion]

Funnily enough it's impossible to get Dragon Tempered itself

lol

[novel arrow]

😄

[limber lion]

At least during pre patch for now

[novel arrow]

I hope we can get dragon and kings

I dont know if they are looking into that. That seems like +1 skill point too many

[limber lion]

That's never going to happen, don't hold your breath

[sand elm]

cant cos of how many 3 point talents we have

[spice spire]

That was by design

[south sapphire]

We wont

[novel arrow]

I understand. it would be broken

I get it

[sand elm]

would it tho

[south sapphire]

Would it tho

[balmy condor]

yes

how is that even a question

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

it would litearlly make DtB mandatory with KB

[south sapphire]

I guess yeah

[royal lantern]

cus you suddenly have double the poison application amounts

[sand elm]

u mean like how dtb is mandatory anyway

[royal lantern]

what

you litearlly cant take dtb with anything else

because otherwhise it would always be DtB+KB for st and IC for aoe lol

[sand elm]

and thatd be a problem because

[south sapphire]

I mean sounds better than what we have now

[royal lantern]

because why have a fking tree then?

[sand elm]

when u have other specs taking multiple capstone talents

[royal lantern]

if all we do is taking the same points with 0 choice cus we want 2 capstones lol

[balmy condor]

other specs capstones don't account for 40% of their damage

[royal lantern]

who cares how many capstones you can take

in the end all that matters is how much dmg a spec does

doesnt matter if it has 20 capstones or 0

if it does dmg, its good

[sand elm]

if the capstones arent fun and strong why have a linear tree at all then

[balmy condor]

what

[sand elm]

may as well go back to the old talents using that logic

[royal lantern]

thats some galaxybrain shit rn

[balmy condor]

what capstone isn't fun and strong

[novel arrow]

Confirming. We get 5/5 come dragonflight? Extra tree points?

[balmy condor]

kingsbane is a 15% capstone

are you high

[balmy condor]

yes

[wooden dawn]

does shiv effect atrophic? im having nightmares of shiv timings while wanting to use for dmg

[balmy condor]

no

[novel arrow]

@balmy condor ty ❤️

[sand elm]

im not saying they arent, but if their logic is capstones dont matter then why would they be there

[wooden dawn]

[oak sky]

Theres a difference between capstones matter and capstones warp your entire build

[balmy condor]

I mean capstones do matter, but it doesn't matter if you get 2 capstones worth 7% each or 1 capstone worth 15%

[craggy nimbus]

Finally got my first Sylvie dagger, it'll be my highest ilvl dagger when I upgrade it but does it go in OH for the procc?

[royal lantern]

2capstones=more=better duh

ofc sub mains like YOU would not understand that

[sand elm]

no need to be an ass about it

[subtle tundra]

it does cause 1 capstone is 1% more than 2 capstone

[balmy condor]

highest ilvl in mainhand, if that's sylv dagger, put it in your mainhand

thems the rules

[craggy nimbus]

Aight, ty.

[subtle tundra]

how is this man so smart

[royal lantern]

orange names are robots

except zine, zine transcendent by not playing wow anymore

[dark token]

I don't see the problem with needing 2/3rds of the capstones for a single target build fyi

[balmy condor]

if we had capstones like other classes, sepsis and exsang would be capstones

[dark token]

Other classes do this

[novel arrow]

Am I wrong in saying all these cool new poisons dont synergize with deathmark? @balmy condor

Deadly poison seems to have most value there no?

[balmy condor]

amp is huge

instant doesn't have a debuff so nothing to duplicate

[subtle tundra]

delete exsang

btw whispyr whats the difference on instant dmg between instant and amp?

🧐

[novel arrow]

Does comp and deadly poison do comparable dmg?

[balmy condor]

one buffs envenom

the other doesn't

[novel arrow]

amp*

[balmy condor]

amp is slightly better in single target

[subtle tundra]

but tell me whispyr

aAA

[novel arrow]

Oh shit. So deathmark dups the debuff application as well?

[south sapphire]

Ye

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

idk what you want me to tell you

[novel arrow]

oh wow ok. this is a whole new mechanic

[subtle tundra]

whispyr whats the difference on instant dmg between instant and amp?

🤓

[balmy condor]

one buffs envenom the other doesn't

[subtle tundra]

THE DMG IS DOES

INSTANTLY

THE NUMBERS

[balmy condor]

0

all poisons do the same instant damage

[subtle tundra]

ok

so can i play dtb with amp and not have to swap to instant on aoe?

[balmy condor]

deadly poison is instant poison + dot
amp is instant poison + envenom buff
instant poison is instant damage

yeah

or you could not take amp

[subtle tundra]

and take ttk?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[subtle tundra]

no way thats better, right?

[south sapphire]

I haven't pvpd yet this season but I can't imagine what a kb dm 20 stacks of Amp poison does to a man

[subtle tundra]

cause its more st in m+

[eternal ferry]

how are we still that bad in m+ after the sent of blood buff.. i really hoped that it would make sin actually good

[balmy condor]

because moving the cap from 5 to 8 doesn't actually do much

[subtle tundra]

cause our main m+ build doesnt use ic(not talking about prepatch cause irrelevancy)

[idle token]

Is there a good addon to keep track of dot timers?

[balmy condor]

I mean it does

[eternal ferry]

Yea right if there are only 5 targets it wont change anything, but what would help, i want to main this spec so badly man

[subtle tundra]

wtf??????????????

[balmy condor]

weakauras and your choice of nameplate addon

[balmy condor]

idk why you're surprised I literally pinged you with it to avoid this conversation

[thorn crater]

nameplate addon seems like o fnecessary to track mass debuffs huh

[subtle tundra]

oh ic+kb

[thorn crater]

nono

[idle token]

I forgot about Weakauras. Thank you!

[thorn crater]

ic + 2 zoldyck

no KB no PB

[balmy condor]

the top build right now is IC + 2 zold

followed by IC + KB

and then DTB under that

[subtle tundra]

🛏️

i should go to sleep i hate this reality

[thorn crater]

exsa everywhere

[subtle tundra]

my dreams are wonderful

[thorn crater]

rip

[balmy condor]

maybe sleep will help you read the sims I tag you in gdmit

[subtle tundra]

I DID

i read the whole conversation

just................

im so dissapointed by assa rn i cant think about it

sorry

[eternal ferry]

Be dissapointed of blizzard

[royal lantern]

why is exsang still a thing

like srsly

i just dont get it

[balmy condor]

if it makes you feel better amp DTB is one of the better DTB profiles

[celest ruin]

just wait until the last patch of dragonflight

[balmy condor]

think the mastery hotfix made it into sims now

[celest ruin]

well get a raid affix which makes bosses take 5x damage from bleeds

[subtle tundra]

nice!

[royal lantern]

and warlock still does 16%more dmg

[thorn crater]

what's left to get fixed so sims are accurate?

[subtle tundra]

sometime in the next 4 minor buffs we get we will be strong

our rupture and garrote will do so much damage from all the 5% buffs

[balmy condor]

sims are accurate

[eternal ferry]

I doubt we will get buffed much more

[balmy condor]

there's like

maybe some things here or there

but there's no major flaws in logic for anything

[royal lantern]

there is 1

[balmy condor]

well dance and cold blood probably aren't optimized well

but they also suck

so I don't really care

[subtle tundra]

we really do be stuck playing ER the whole expac

unless shit changes

😐

[balmy condor]

yeh thistle + ER

[thorn crater]

Fuck er

Do you ignore the mini game until you land on them?

[oak sky]

Its just like you wanted, maybe we even drop seal fate

[balmy condor]

yeh

[subtle tundra]

i guess its fine for some time, but definetly will get annoying sooner rather than later

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

if you drop it then there's literally nothing else to take on the tree with the remaining points

you gonna take right side? the 1 dps nodes?

in my version of the tree where i imagined a no seal fate i thought SD would be strong

[balmy condor]

reminder that not taking seal fate in m+ is -18%

[subtle tundra]

cant hear you

👨‍🦯

[eternal ferry]

Did the 20% buff on ambush did at least something for our st? Are we at least somewhere near outlaw now?

[balmy condor]

reminder that seal fate in m+ is stronger than imp garrote and shrouded

together

[subtle tundra]

[royal lantern]

almost as if all class capstones we have just fking suck

🙂

[balmy condor]

the 20% buff on ambush made a talent we already take like 0.8% better

and we're still a couple thousand behind outlaw

[oak sky]

Come on dont kill the dream

[subtle tundra]

and outlaw barely sacrifices any ST to get full AOE from their tree

ahahhahaha

[royal lantern]

a couple thousand dps, or a couple thousand %?

[subtle tundra]

fuck outlaw

[royal lantern]

[subtle tundra]

cancer design of a class

[oak sky]

Outlaw already has ambush in their normal rotation and also some ambush talents

[eternal ferry]

come on you cant be serious.. what do we still need to become a fkn viable specc i dont want to play outlaw

[balmy condor]

about a 30% buff to aoe

[subtle tundra]

to actually do more aoe than outlaw when we go aoe build

[eternal ferry]

IC needs to be way more accessable, but they are never in any world gonna change capstones now

[sand elm]

what would ur suggestion be to make our aoe better?

[eternal ferry]

So we can pray for next addon

[hidden crown]

whats the cd on outlaws blade flurry?\

[subtle tundra]

fuck it. buff CT by 120% again.

[hidden crown]

like 20 seconds?

[sand elm]

30s

[candid geyser]

can't buff CT or it's too good in ST

[hidden crown]

and has 2 charges

[subtle tundra]

dont care

[royal lantern]

maybe

just MAYBE

[iron valve]

echoing blades

[royal lantern]

give CT increased dmg if it hits multiple targets

instead of just giving it a flat dmg buff

🙂

so that it actually is played for aoe/cleave and not in st

[subtle tundra]

actually now that you mention it. buff ct by 200%.

[vestal dune]

The flying daggers talent that is below ct could be changed to something like: For 10 seconds after leaving stealth your next crimson tempest deals 100-200% more dmg

It would be a m+ buff that doesn't affect the st

[eternal ferry]

Actually sounds not that bad, more dmg the more targets are affected

[vestal dune]

and also adds some burst aoe

[subtle tundra]

not stealth again

aaaaaaaaaa

fuck stealth based mechanics

[balmy condor]

realistically - buff the hell out of scent, maybe add a damage bonus to carnage, make flying dagger crazy

Unrealistically - rework exsang into something that helps aoe, add an effect that makes CT interact with amount of bleeds it hits (so 8 target carrnage = 16 bleeds, 5% per or something, 80% CT increase). The name of the game in my opinion is making multi-dotting viable through interactions, not because it's just the most damage. Incentivize spreading ruptures and garrotes because it buffs your damage

[royal lantern]

no cd

cus of restless blades

you just have flurry up all the time during fights if you want

like, thats how it always worked since they made it a short cd

[drifting cloud]

dont worry whispyr, next xpac for sure!

[subtle tundra]

11.0 is our time!

[candid geyser]

I think we just need 'rending strikes' - 30 sec cd, reduced by .5 seconds for each garrote tick that makes abilities cleave.

[drifting cloud]

outlaw totally not holding back rogue aoe design for 2xpacs already

[subtle tundra]

nvm they just removed the only bladeflurry talent so now outlaw has to invest 0 into aoe

[oak sky]

Oh he wants blade flurry

[balmy condor]

[candid geyser]

I'm trolling please understand

nothing is more toxic than blade flurry

[oak sky]

Kappa

[burnt latch]

DS is still there

[balmy condor]

nothing, except me

[subtle tundra]

d what?

[burnt latch]

Deez

[subtle tundra]

i actually dont know cause i have 0 interest in outlaw

[burnt latch]

Dancing Steel

[oak sky]

Outlaw has 2 bf talents

[subtle tundra]

if i have to play outlaw at any point its easy enough to learn in 30 min

[oak sky]

And they refuse to buff KS ig

[balmy condor]

we have 1.25 fok talents

[candid geyser]

You're not toxic father. You carry all our hopes and dreams upon your shoulders. It's a heavy burden. You sometimes show emotions due to the strain = \ = toxic

[balmy condor]

balanced

[oak sky]

So true bestie

[burnt latch]

but assa scales well into later tiers

[subtle tundra]

isnt one of them one you dont take?

[oak sky]

Keep Chatting

[burnt latch]

[eternal ferry]

Bro you are answering questions repeadetly on this channel where people are just to lazy to scroll or to look for pings, you are not toxic

[oak sky]

Whispyr is toxic he made me quit rogue

[balmy condor]

don't ping me bro who the fuck are you

am I doing it

is that

[subtle tundra]

assa is gonna make me start smoking

[oak sky]

I would do that

I would who someone

[royal lantern]

hi im tryan

[balmy condor]

but no serious thank you :)

[burnt latch]

Its fine if assa is bad in 10.0, by 10.2 with all the mastery and haste and IC our aoe will be amazing while outlaw in the mud cuz no scaling

[eternal ferry]

Well i was about to change my mind

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

actually true, but then the moment outlaw isnt amazing its gonna get buff by daddy blizz cause no way its favorite spec isnt meta

[sand elm]

i think having flying daggers have a damage modifier based on the amount of bleeds and/or poisons on targets it hits would be interesting. just buffing scent still leaves us with the issue of aoe multidotting's gameplay

[candid geyser]

If you want toxic Whispyr. Tune in to sin baseline sim streams

❤️

[burnt latch]

Just believe in the scaling daddy

[balmy condor]

whats the issue of aoe multidotting's gameplay

[balmy condor]

[candid geyser]

What annoys me most - is even if sin and outlaw did the same aoe damage. Literally nothing changes with outlaw minus pressing flurry. Sins entire playstyle changes. idk. i hate outlaw design

[eternal ferry]

The thing is that its every dot classes playstyle, and its still more fun to me than spamming fok

[sand elm]

well just the nature of tab target swapping rupture on everything. its slow and requires so much more resources put into it compared to the other specs

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's why it should be rewarded

[subtle tundra]

well, yea it requires more effort but its the big payoff

to do less than outlaw

but you feel good about it

[sand elm]

wouldnt even say its a big payoff

[subtle tundra]

cause you put in the effort

[sand elm]

we put in effort for sod all in return

[balmy condor]

yes that's the problem

[sand elm]

and just the nature of needing to build cp then rupture every target becomes worse as u add more targets into the encounter

especially without CT

[subtle tundra]

ok, but hear me out

if we did really good damage

it wouldnt matter

[eternal ferry]

Well in aoe scenarios you should be easily able to build cp with fok

[subtle tundra]

fok fok fok rupture

[south sapphire]

i want a GIGAFOK build

[subtle tundra]

but also, ER helps with the finishers

[balmy condor]

J> Cvel struggle on my rat hero mule

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[sand elm]

in low target cleave fights its less of an issue. but take something like the kaelthas fight. u honestly think trying to rupture everything is 1. viable and 2. at all fun

when most of the adds die in seconds anyway

[subtle tundra]

youre gonna love the first tier of df

[sand elm]

ive heard its all aoe

[balmy condor]

what about the first tier of dn

[subtle tundra]

but also, dmg on those short lived adds is meaningless

they die fast regardless if you do dmg on them or not

if i do no dmg to them but manage to be top boss dmg idc

[eternal ferry]

Yea dot classes are trash at mobs that die fast

[subtle tundra]

(its not happening rn but uh i can hope)

[oak sky]

Also trash at mobs that die slow

Really just trash

[keen locust]

Was forced outta assassin in shadowlands and now I gotta complain again smh dude

[eternal ferry]

Look at logs, affli is pumpin

Only we suck

[oak sky]

Gonna take a wild guess

And say seed is a big damage source for them

[dark token]

The DF channels are so much more chill sad they are closing

[sand elm]

affi also has mechanisms to actually do half decent aoe

[distant mesa]

the google doc to the sin rogue builds for level 70, this says we are taking Exsang but the talents don't show exsang talented, what would we be moving around here?

[oak sky]

Hasnt been updated as recent

[distant mesa]

ahh just looking at starting to replicate end builds for playstyle into a rotation for muscle memory was all

what would be moved around

[south sapphire]

master assassin

[oak sky]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[south sapphire]

for exsanguini

[royal lantern]

cus slowly the "oh shit, chances are slowly getting higher that this spec will suck" phase starts when the release is not even 1month away

+some gameplay things that are still really fucked and reduce the fun by a good ammount 🙂

[oak sky]

The guides have updated builds

[distant mesa]

I've used the Method guide 🙂

[dark token]

I just want all tooltips and whitelisting issues to be resolved at this point and i would be happy with no further tuning

[royal lantern]

still is a thing

[dark token]

Cold blooded Kb w/ lethality, affected by zoldyck and dashing will carry us

[oak sky]

Haha yes kingsbane so pog

[dark token]

It's funny how 5 different passives affecting combo point generators and poisons don't work on kingsbane even tho it's a combo point generating poison

Hmmmm

[oak sky]

I dont see any reason it would work with cold blood

But like the rest probably

At bare minimum lethality

[dark token]

It would be op but cold blood is bad design and needs rework cause the design doesn't work with half of rogue abilities so like that's ok

[oak sky]

Cold blood doesnt need a rework it needs a replacement

[dark token]

I'm done with cb I won't talent it and it's dead till 10.1 when they rework

Yes that's what I mean

[oak sky]

Its damaged goods

[dark token]

The others are annoying

[oak sky]

Not fit for modern wow

[dark token]

Lethal dose? Lethality? Dashing? Zoldyck? Cmon

Actually the ideal is

We get tuning making us avg dps

Then they bugfix this 2 weeks into tier

And we become top dps

[royal lantern]

for single target

[oak sky]

I think lethality is the only incontestable one

[royal lantern]

in a tier where all fights except 2 are aoe/cleave based

[dark token]

Top single target is still a nice niche

[oak sky]

Because kingsbane might technically not be considered a poison for some of those effects intentionakly

[royal lantern]

not when "top st dps" means "you do 2%more st dps then most other specs, but they also do really good aoe"

[dark token]

Is it affected by mastery

Then it should be a poison

[oak sky]

Ehhh