whats typically target count when we shift from mut to fok? 4 or more?
#assassination
outer cairn
sharp lichen
Hello! Any string for asa pvp?
snow plinth
Considering picking rogue for my main for Dragonflight, how's assassination feel so far in prepatch?
minor gate
does anyone else have issues moving around spells on their bars
spice spire
Considering picking rogue for my main for Dragonflight, how's assassination feel...
Prepatch feels bad but that’s fine - it feels much better at 70
dense hamlet
does anyone else have issues moving around spells on their bars
wat issues?
dense hamlet
it just casts it and nothing else
think theres a setting that dosent let u randomly drag them around and u might need to hold down shift or something if thats wat ur having problem with even
minor gate
Ill give it a go later👍
outer cairn
Ill give it a go later👍
Open Options>Search Lock> Make sure Lock Actions Bars isn't checked and also look under Keybinds and see if Toggle Actionbar Lock has a button assigned to it
snow plinth
Prepatch feels bad but that’s fine - it feels much better at 70
is it just a case of not quite being able to fill out builds/grab everything we need that will be solved soon as we get more points?
dense yoke
any double on-use trinket enjoyers
slate narwhal
i thought we were able to apply bleeds prior to deathmark ending and the dupe to stay on target, was that a bug enabling that?
slate narwhal
ohhh my mistake, i'm kind of transitioning back to rogue after not playing it since basically BC lol
marble hemlock
yeah, its usually referred to as a "overhang snapshot", which was part of what made the set bonus so powerful. some people liked it. sane people didnt.
slate narwhal
thank you for clarification, i'm doing a lot of reading and testing stuff. always loved assassination
oblique jackal
Any advice on this build ? Really enjoy it
sudden hound
its prepatch. if you enjoy it thats all that matters. looks pretty identical to the suggested build
oblique jackal
Do you think Exsag is better than going with SS?
dark token
No
sudden hound
i think in theory its better? idk try it and see if you like it. its a pretty common theme in this channel to not like exsang but you do you boo
from pins
urban minnow
wanting to test m+ on beta, can someone shoot me a build?
oblique jackal
Thank for you the advice Azmol
balmy condor
Do you think Exsag is better than going with SS?
Exsang and shrouded don’t quite compete cause they’re in different areas gate wise
But exsang is far stronger typically
thin cliff
this is just a tooltip bug?
balmy condor
It doesn’t stack with the talent and therefore should not be used
sand elm
any1 trying out a kingsbane build currently thats working?
forest nacelle
define working
sand elm
having not bad performance
forest nacelle
how is it bad?
sand elm
its not?
strange python
hey, could anyone send a picture of best 2s assa rogue talents? i saw a lot of different comps and im new to rogue.. i havent the enough info to decide between them,. help me please! (PVP)
balmy condor
any1 trying out a kingsbane build currently thats working?
Wowhead Build is good
sand elm
Wowhead Build is good
oh found it ty. i was using the one on the prepatch cheat sheet
how come the kingsbane build uses MFD and not DS?
forest nacelle
i swaped it to DS, personally.
balmy condor
how come the kingsbane build uses MFD and not DS?
Cause it felt cool
rancid crypt
Q: is assass more viable for m+ now than it was before? is it better or worse would u say?
balmy condor
It’s more viable and better
rancid crypt
Hmm okey, what would you say is "more" than before? My idea of assass is that its very good in ST situations, but does not shine as bright as outlaw and/or sub in AoE, might be wrong, but how is assass in AoE atm?
balmy condor
The Assassination/sub/outlaw comparisons haven’t changed
sin still does the worst aoe of the bunch
rancid crypt
Okey then, well if we just look at assass compared to all other specs/class in S4 vs Now in Pre Patch for M+, again with more focus in the AoE department, if it is better than it was before in AoE?
royal lantern
it has a better chance to be good for m+ cus it has new tools
rancid crypt
Or maybe if it's the same, or if the class has been bumped up on the "M+ DPS Tier list"
oh!
sounds intressting
royal lantern
number wise? its really bad for aoe rn, but numbers always change, and its prepatch so they are extra shit
glass cairn
a little side question but is sin rogue back to bfa playstyle?
royal lantern
Depends on what bfa playstyle means
you know the answer
balmy condor
Gotta be a little more specific
royal lantern
glass cairn
im only familiar with the shroud one
balmy condor
8.3?
glass cairn
so i apologize for doing a semi-question
royal lantern
oh damm, i thought echoing blades 
sand elm
narrowing it down
balmy condor
Start of expac or end of expac
sand elm
does it have 5 letters
balmy condor
Uldir or ny’alotha
glass cairn
uldir
vestal wren
outlaw is currently too dominant
forest nacelle
outlaw is currently too dominant
idk, i beat an outlaw rogue as sin.
vestal wren
idk, i beat an outlaw rogue as sin.
nice 
forest nacelle
totes
cobalt hemlock
getting dominated whole shadowlands always one better than assa
mellow dagger
idk, i beat an outlaw rogue as sin.
use me as the doubt button
balmy condor
I beat an outlaw rogue too as sin
forest nacelle
yay!
balmy condor
It was my cat on a class trial character
But given current tuning
Still impressive
cobalt hemlock
I beat an outlaw rogue too as sin
i mean if you didnt who would
forest nacelle
true
balmy condor
i mean if you didnt who would
Idk, someone who plays better than me I guess
cobalt hemlock
Idk, someone who plays better than me I guess
all better players dont bother playing worse spec xD
balmy condor
all better players dont bother playing worse spec xD
Yeah kinda true, you have to be some level of deranged to play sin
forest nacelle
Yeah kinda true, you have to be some level of deranged to play sin
by that logic, i guess im crazy.
balmy condor
We all are
pure moth
deranged we are. ive enjoyed the week as sin
dusk summit
It doesn’t stack with the talent and therefore should not be used
Which talent is that? Trying to update conduits.
balmy condor
Which talent is that? Trying to update conduits.
dusk summit
oh that makes sense
What would be the go to conduits now then?
Either maiim, mangle or Poisoned Katar?
balmy condor
anything that isn't maim or wps
dusk summit
Why not maim?
balmy condor
dusk summit
I dont have that in my M+ set up
balmy condor
then go for maim
dusk summit
In terms of raid set up you kinda need Systemic Failure to get Blindside
not enough conduites
balmy condor
you do indeed
dusk summit
to fix it
dusk summit
ya, I guess I could take different path for Theotar or even go Nadjia
steel ridge
huh
balmy condor
idk man
shit isn't supposed to work
but tooltip says
and things are overlapping or not
legendaries working
or not
you got a covenant
steel ridge
everything is broken
balmy condor
its fucking stupid
sand elm
wake me up in a month
wake u up when november ends?
balmy condor
no idea why they didnt deactivate covenant soulbinds
I will die in 80 years not understanding it
vestal wren
they could have kept the covenant ability working
and deactivated legendary + soulbinds/conduits
would have been the best solution
vestal wren
i am not sure if they bind into the leveling zones somehow
so keeping them would have not rly caused a lot of problems
and having them would only have minor impact on talent trees
besically removes all the dev effort they now need to spend to fix things now working
tier set is dissabled in pre patch
sand elm
besically removes all the dev effort they now need to spend to fix things now wo...
or they just dont fix it cos it wont matter in 4 weeks
balmy condor
sets are disabled, but it did stack
vestal wren
well they still need to invest development time to fix bugs/etc
sand elm
bugs yeh, but balancing stuff isnt something they should waste time on imo
sand elm
like soulbinds stacking or not with new talents isnt really something that matters
in a few weeks we wont even be using them
as an example
vestal wren
i mean, majority of players will never touch the non op specs
you see it on rogue
subtlety is basically the least played spec in the game in pre patch, assassination is not super popular
outlaw is the only spec that sees actual decent popularity
sand elm
yeh but its not like any of it matters. nothing needs to work with the shadowlands systems right this very second cos in a few weeks nobody will be using them
vestal wren
yes ofc
sand elm
id be fine if dusk never even got fixed
vestal wren
my point
time invested into coding dust to work with DM is time that could have been used elsewhere
sand elm
yeh exactly. i agree
balmy condor
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WHY DO MY KEYBINDS RESET ON TALENT CHANGE
vestal wren
WHY DO MY KEYBINDS RESET ON TALENT CHANGE
welcome to beta testing pre patch
balmy condor
why the hell
doesn't it just
copy keybinds from the previous build
when you make a new loadout
oblique jackal
RIP
mystic osprey
Elv ui working with DF?
marble hemlock
arent you supposed to be too sick to play from an injection?
or did you get the placebo
balmy condor
arent you supposed to be too sick to play from an injection?
my arm is sore, time to handle some heavy machinery
marble hemlock
:wankge:
oak sky
my arm is sore, time to handle some heavy machinery
Did you get a covid vaxy
oak sky
balmy condor
1 more and I'll have all the infinity vaxxes
balmy condor
I'll be able to drink flint water bro
bitter aurora
for m+ are we using lashing lethal and main mangle for conduits?
i saw people using well placed steel and stuff on subcreation but isnt that one hella nerfed
balmy condor
at this point who knows
the tooltip updates
but it's not supposed to work
and it says 1%
but then the tooltip goes up to 42
bitter aurora
oh weird. thanks for the info.
quiet oar
WHY DO MY KEYBINDS RESET ON TALENT CHANGE
You can check "Use Shared Action Bars" on the Talent setting. I guess this will fix it?
balmy condor
You can check "Use Shared Action Bars" on the Talent setting. I guess this will ...
oh thank god
thank you
hallow glade
is venomous wounds bugged or something?
oak sky
Were you playing instant poison or no poison messerknecht?
hallow glade
Were you playing instant poison or no poison messerknecht?
ah i was using instant like a noob
good catch ty
oak sky
Np friend
hallow glade
i dont play sin x(
balmy condor
vestal wren
I am an Outlaw enjoyer sometimes. NEVER Sub, all the homies hate Sub.
i do like sub
timid cloud
It’s the only one I haven’t played so far.
hallow glade
wow look how fast my energy is :D
drifting light
How dare u say wow is fun?
timid cloud
FUN IN MY CHAT?
weak isle
How dare u say wow is fun?
timid cloud
spice spire
FUN IN MY CHAT?
Go night fae buddy
timid cloud
I am. I’m so full of Sepsis, YUM!
craggy nimbus
Just a quick question, Icyveins guide on the rotation for Assassination says I use Shiv on CD with 2 piece set gear but those aren't working anymore right?
weak isle
Just a quick question, Icyveins guide on the rotation for Assassination says I u...
it talks about 2 piece DF set-bonus
which you cannot get now
marble hemlock
Just a quick question, Icyveins guide on the rotation for Assassination says I u...
I must've missed that, thought i removed all mentions of the set bonus. Guess one slipped through 
will fix.
craggy nimbus
I must've missed that, thought i removed all mentions of the set bonus. Guess on...
No worries, I thought it meant the current set bonus since that buffs shiv with the 40% increased damage so I thought I'd ask 🙂
While we're at it, is taking up Sepsis/Bonespike as a talent suppose to remove Flagellation from the covenant?
Or has that something to do with it not being able to work outside of SL?
balmy condor
Or has that something to do with it not being able to work outside of SL?
this
balmy condor
While we're at it, is taking up Sepsis/Bonespike as a talent suppose to remove F...
not this
craggy nimbus
But Bonespike works due to it being talented in then I guess
craggy nimbus
Alrighty
marble hemlock
No worries, I thought it meant the current set bonus since that buffs shiv with ...
It did, i just missed removing that particular mention of it
balmy condor
covenant is shadowlands only
craggy nimbus
Roger roger
red tinsel
What legendary are you guys using meanwhile?
I was thinking of swapping to Essence of Bloodfang so I can put that and Celerity on the Shoulder slot together
timid cloud
Deathly, I wish Bloodfang was better…would be so cool with Zold…
red tinsel
I mean it doesn't need to be BIS
anything is better than Duskwalker
IBloodfang is not useless is it?
timid cloud
Dunno the numbers on that one, unless you mean broken one.
red tinsel
Duskwalker is the one that reduced Vendetta cooldown... I'm ssuming without Vendetta, it's useless
timid cloud
It’s close, I guess but historically it’s not been even remotely on the table. In the case of Bloodfang.
Dusk walker is supposed to work with death mark, only doesn’t because of spell ID changes, I’m assuming.
sand elm
What legendary are you guys using meanwhile?
none 
timid cloud
Gotta workshop what I just said, hold please.
sand elm
timid cloud
Even when our legendaries were bunk, we still ran Dashing Scoundrel, an energy legendary, over Bloodfang. Even though energy = damage.
Yeah, I said it right, just had to double check myself.
sand elm
english is hard
timid cloud
Doomblade was an objectively a better Bloodfang too.
timid cloud
Nah, just had to make sure I said the correct thing, not trying to misinform.
I’m one step away from being banned after the S word incident.
sand elm
spicey
timid cloud
No. Talents & legendaries do not stack currently, it would be a nightmare to tune, the same for tier.
red tinsel
I’m one step away from being banned after the S word incident.
Did you say.... S...haman?
red tinsel
No. Talents & legendaries do not stack currently, it would be a nightmare to tun...
Then I guess Bloodfang it is
sand elm
how disgusting how could u even utter that word
timid cloud
😂
balmy condor
IBloodfang is not *useless* is it?
Number wise it might as well be I’m gonna be honest
timid cloud
hidden crown
Then I guess Bloodfang it is
nah just run deathly shadows
its the best alt
assassination is holding off pretty good on energy unlike last time
at least for me
red tinsel
Ambush out of Stealth or Mutilate now? I can't remember the reason why we used Mut instead
hidden crown
it is not T^T
regal sable
i s sbs bugged?
red tinsel
Are you guys using Amp or Deadly poison while we dont have DTB?
red tinsel
i s sbs bugged?
In what way? The talent SBS doesn't go to 2 targets and it makes me sad
regal sable
im using necro SBS with shrouded
it seems to only last 2-3 sec
before the bleed just vanishes from the target
red tinsel
huh need to check that
otherwise might as well go Sepsis
How far behind is Sepsis vs SBS (Talent-wise, no cov)
balmy condor
like 4%
timid cloud
Deadly Poison btw
balmy condor
you either go sbs or you don't talent doomblade at all
timid cloud
Amp is bugged
balmy condor
still?
timid cloud
balmy condor
yikes
regal sable
so if you're not talenting SBS would you just put that point intoflying daggers or something
for aoe
balmy condor
tuesday I guess
balmy condor
so if you're not talenting SBS would you just put that point intoflying daggers ...
oh god no
timid cloud
FLYING DAGGERS
balmy condor
you would go literally anything else
regal sable
OKAYYYYYY EXSANG TIME
balmy condor
yeah that works
regal sable
im thinking either 1 point vicious venoms
timid cloud
What Flying Daggers could’ve been.
balmy condor
imp poison is decent
regal sable
but vicious is just a straight downgrade over doomblade no?
in prepatch i mean where you cant really go further
with an M+ build focus
heady merlin
At this point I just cant wait for DF to see what gets nerfed and buffed
balmy condor
in prepatch i mean where you cant really go further
balmy condor
but vicious is just a straight downgrade over doomblade no?
vicious sucks ye
vicious just kinda servers as a point dump to get to kingsbane/blindside
regal sable
welp i guess i just run shrouded over sbs until its fixed or smth
balmy condor
I didn't have any problems earlier today
regal sable
was happening to me in a 20 streets a moment ago for some reason
balmy condor
it's also hard to tell how much of it is prepatch spaghetti
and how much is like
genuine bugs
that we didn't find on beta
regal sable
im guessing something like this is really hard to miss and i dont remember it happening yesterday so ill roll with prepatch spaghetti
balmy condor
being able to have a covenant + talent into the covenant ability + other covenant abilities on top
has just fucked over
everything
red tinsel
Deadly Poison btw
Thanks
red tinsel
Amp is bugged
What's the bug?
balmy condor
What's the bug?
it's not affected by mastery
red tinsel
ohh ok, that is odd
Does Deathmark doubles poisons that apply during it, or does it also doubles existing poisons?
I'm getting conflicting feedback on that
Like I don't see Effects being doubled if they're already applied (Unless the whole dot is grouped under the Mark debuff)
balmy condor
Does Deathmark doubles poisons that apply during it, or does it also doubles exi...
the difference between these two statements is basically irrelevant
you're applying so many poisons all the time
it should in theory double poisons already on the target
but I don't think it's something to worry about
red tinsel
Sorry, I meant the bleeds too
red tinsel
Trying to figure out either if I have to use Deathmark > Garrote > Rupture, or just spam Envenom
balmy condor
you gar rupture then deathmark
red tinsel
got it
Does Thistle scale with Mastery? Because 13.6% Mastery for 6 sec doesn't seem super powerful effect
red tinsel
What do you think our Class tree will go towards? No capstones and spread middle?
red tinsel
oh that actually sounds good, ER helps Env spam during DM
I'm assuming DBT, so with Amp too Env is going to deal a lot of damage
versed mica
Sin actually likes ER?
balmy condor
yessir
versed mica
red tinsel
I also don't like, I wish there was something instead of Thistle
but oh well, Blizz made it really clear they really want Thistle to be in
versed mica
Out of the three, only SD seems iconic tbh
Oh, the cov was what made it bad, gotchya
balmy condor
well compared to the others yeah
if you're a 6% increase compared to 10% increases
you're bad
but if you're a 6% increase compared to 1.5% increases
holy poggers
versed mica
I just don't particularly like ER except for outlaw, it always felt weak, but the energy cost is nice
balmy condor
yuh
amp isn't that bad though honestly
the mastery thing makes it worse
but it's not like oh my god my damage nooooooooooooo
dense yoke
if your normal garrote is about to expire, and you overwrite it with an empowered garrote with pandemic and it becomes 23 sec or something then is that full duration empowered?
balmy condor
if your normal garrote is about to expire, and you overwrite it with an empowere...
yes
pandemic just cares about the duration
the damage itself is always calculated from the new application
so if you have it the other way around with empowered garrote -> normal garrote
the duration would also be 23 sec
but you lose the damage from whatever was left on the empower
because it overwrites with a normal garrote
dense yoke
yea makes sense
strange python
because it overwrites with a normal garrote
Hey. I am sorry, I did take a look through FAQ's etc... But wasn't really an answer to the question (unless I missed it)
Is there a recommended spec for a player that is not only semi-new to current WoW but also planning to play Rogue for the first time?
balmy condor
Hey. I am sorry, I did take a look through FAQ's etc... But wasn't really an ans...
really depends on what 'clicks' with you honestly. I personally think sub is a very straight-forward generate-spend with a short cooldown rotation, and has a mix of the speed from outlaw, but also the planning from sin. Kinda a bit of everything rogue in one package, so I would suggest that to start
but it may very well not connect with you
strange python
but it may very well not connect with you
Yeah I understand that.. I can say that so far from what I have played of WoW my playstyle has been more catered to sustained button mashing 
I like to feel as though I'm doing things rather than 3 button go
balmy condor
well if you're a button smasher, can't really recommend outlaw enough
that's basically the definition of monkey on Adderall playing whack a mole
carpal tunnel inducing spec
strange python
carpal tunnel inducing spec
Can't induce what I probably already have 
And what of Assassination, I'm not one to cater to the meta.. But all the hype right now is surrounding this spec in particular, which is why I thought to myself "Let's try Rogue" to begin with.. What's the playstyle of assassination like?
I will definitely try out both whilst levelling either way ^~^
balmy condor
really? Assassination is hyped? By fucking who 
assassination got some new buttons and some old buttons
but it's still a slower spec and a bunch of cooldowns
if you like maintaining dots it's chilling
but it's a fucking nightmare to level with and it's definitely not the button mashing you're looking for
strange python
assassination got some new buttons and some old buttons
Well I saw a video today where someone was talking about how Rogue's Assassination spec is amongst the stronger specs in Mythic+ & Raids... Granted I haven't personally seen this due to a lack of Rogue's
balmy condor
holy that's cope
stronger spec in m+
is a huge meme
it's easily the worst rogue spec in m+
strange python
Yeah tbh when he said it I was like "Did he not factor in Warrior, Mage, Lock.. Any other class in WoW"
I figured his video may hold some weight though given his mention of Shammy etc.. Which I know to be -very- strong
balmy condor
yeah can't say I approve of this person
strange python
it's easily the worst rogue spec in m+
He was talking about in Dragonflight meaning he must be playing it on beta? Not to sure really
I won't post the video here to not promote false advertisement. But I will link it to you
oblique jackal
Im really loving these new talents
ive never had this much fun playing wow in a long time
Sin is crazy fun!
sharp falcon
screencapped, on my fridge asap
balmy condor
delete all other specs --> assassin #1
I've been saying delete outlaw for years, finally you came around
balmy condor
I've been at work for 4:30 hours
oblique jackal
half way there!
balmy condor
I have a guildie coming over to hang out tomorrow
which is very cool
flew in from the east coast
breakfast and an escape room
gonna be big pogging moment
oblique jackal
Whispyr, do you know if anyone else is having issues with restoring characters?
oh shit ! you on the west coast ?
balmy condor
with restoring characters? can't say I have
I don't think I know anyone who's restored a character even
oblique jackal
oh, you don't delete characters lol
kind talon
delete all other specs --> assassin #1
yo that is not good rep when the outlaw channel is one line away
😭
fleet thorn
Having a hard time getting Duskwalker's Lego to activate
Is that a common problem on live realms? Or is there a trick to it?
Oh pins! Perma Blind
balmy condor
Having a hard time getting Duskwalker's Lego to activate
duskwalkers will be fixed and my depression will be cured, that's how it works
kind talon
fleet thorn
Diving into some logs, when they aren't down for me, to check out whats everyone doing as Assass. Zoldyck Lego popping up often. Is there some cheese with it or just a decent build?
astral wraith
people I'm trying to apply a bleed build like this, to use in big pulls and remotely close to a dh or a bear tank xd, ideas how it can work?
I know that massive aoe is difficult for a rogue but I try to devise a way to do a lot of damage in a short time without so much pre set of skills Q_Q
balmy condor
Diving into some logs, when they aren't down for me, to check out whats everyone...
people just doing whatever honestly. Raid wise kingsbane builds look good, which nullifies zold lego, in m+ zold lego is decent and going a carnage build means zold is open
balmy condor
people I'm trying to apply a bleed build like this, to use in big pulls and remo...
so first off, not taking seal fate for m+ is omega trolling, dance isn't worth atm.
Spec tree wise, flying daggers is a shit talent, you should take EP over the poison stuff in the top middle and internal bleeding
but even with that, good luck keeping up
we just suck in prepatch
kind talon
so first off, not taking seal fate for m+ is omega trolling, dance isn't worth a...
exsang? 
balmy condor
exsang is good
kind talon
W
kind talon
????
kind talon
just go back to wrath
Bleeds don’t scale off of haste in wrath doofus
oak sky
then snapshot crit
untold juniper
So I have a legit question. I KNOW it's not the ideal covenant, and that's not the point here. Anyone knows why the serrated bone spikes no longer reset on target death? Is there a broken synergy in a talent tree somewhere?
balmy condor
So I have a legit question. I KNOW it's not the ideal covenant, and that's not ...
prepatch jank I assume
there's also just some mobs that don't reset charges
pseudo hamlet
So I have a legit question. I KNOW it's not the ideal covenant, and that's not ...
it does for me
It doesn't on Nathrezims or affixes in the raids
untold juniper
pre pre patch everything was giving me charges back. Now sometimes I run with 0, which should technically never happen, right?
celest ruin
if youre necro you MUST talent into sbs for it to work or else it bugs out
steel ridge
Lel
thorn fox
I heard Necro cov sbs is dropping off all targets when one dies. That's why it looks like it only lasts 3secs.
Talent sbs works correctly
steel ridge
let us just play the raw class, like the glorious trees enable us
went some keys with mikanikos assa yesterday, just to get a somewhat complete class xD
steel ridge
no poison bomb is kinda sadge tho
towards the end of the pulls you really miss it
like its not worth dotting up again for 10% hp mobs and just pray for PB procs
but there are none 😮
thorn fox
They haven't disabled covenants and leggos because they aren't going to at all. They only work now in shadowlands content. They'll just effectively stop working because we won't be in Shadowlands anymore when DF drops.
I think they'll keep working in Dragonflight if you go back to Shadowlands
steel ridge
the conflicts remain
they should just disable them for lvl 60 and up
and turn them back on for 60 later
verbal knot
Idk if its just a coincidence but everytime i look some rogue gameplay on twitch/youtube its always outlaw,is outlaw the better spec on beta as well? I really hope assa gets a turn this expansion.
steel ridge
outlaw is the most powerful at current tuning
especially on live
and usually everyone flocks to the most powerful spec
verbal knot
Do you think outlaw will be the way to go even after they tune the game?
steel ridge
no one knows
its very pronounced on 60, because outlaw just scales to the moon with the talents it has available at that level
and assassination suffers from a defective legendary and missing talents
verbal knot
I know prepatch is a shitstorm and we shouldn't rly be taking things here that serious but im specifically asking for the current df build.
steel ridge
non indicative for 70 tho
verbal knot
Im not able to hop in and check for myself
verbal knot
I just hope it gets some play in m+ and not being destroyed by outlaw
steel ridge
it will probably get destroyed by outlaw on m+ simply because it has to manage cooldown timing while outlaw does not
in coordinated groups, assa can probably function well
well enough to compete with outlaw? maybe. maybe not.
with a now fixed scent of blood, AoE capabilities are somewhat better
verbal knot
I can tell at least that assa will be good on single target raid fights or target prio fights
so thats good
steel ridge
well your major cooldown is pure ST, so thats where a major weakness in AoE comes from, which you have to work around talenting a second cooldown, which in turn leaves you lacking in ST department again
i am pretty sure most classes are that way
but outlaw on the other hand loses very little ST performance while picking up 2 Dungeon Talents
oak sky
nah most cds arent pure st
steel ridge
not what i said, most classes have to specifically sacrifice ST talents to get something done in Dungeons
outlaw not so much
steel ridge
of which only 1 is kinda mandatory
and the second is nice to have if you getting something else instead thats valuable
but i am looking forward to playing alot of assassination in DF
void gulch
Poison Bomb has been popping off on aoe on the beta for me, and death mark can sort of help with getting a bunch of them out faster
void gulch
It's def way more than 8% on aoe. With IC and thistletea they should be your 2nd to highest damaging source in uncapped situations
drifting cloud
andrew the gaslighter
balmy condor
I’m doing a pass of finisher rules for m+ sometime this week
So I’m curious
I like legit don’t know I didn’t do many beta keys
But maybe PB is like some crazy shit I need to factor in
oak sky
ye
gotcha
does tier amp poisons
because if it doesnt then pb is pretty low
if tier amps poisons its decent
hybrid spoke
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but is bone spike bugged atm? I chose it for my covenant on an alt rogue and it just kinda disappears after a few ticks
void gulch
Yeah i ment in uncapped i should i have been more specific. I wasn't trying to override or correct anything here 😃
jade abyss
we can play dtb ? or is kingsbane bettter atm ?
balmy condor
does tier amp poisons
2 piece should work on pb
I think….
Actually not sure
Does it say weapon poison?
balmy condor
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but is bone spike bugged atm? I chose i...
Covenant necro needs talent necro to work apparently
The talent version is fine on its own, the covenant isn’t
hybrid spoke
ah gotcha
I remember before prepatch it worked fine on my main rogue but I was like "wait where are my charge refunds" and I just watched the debuff vanish randomly lol
thanks
balmy condor
We love prepatch
neat plank
dtb is the reason why i specced assassination for the first time since burning crusade
balmy condor
neat plank
i love the idea of having 4 poisons on
balmy condor
The gameplay of dtb is a little degenerate imo
neat plank
and by burning crusade i mean 16 years ago
balmy condor
But it’s definitely a good thematic choice
neat plank
why is it degenerate
balmy condor
It’s 58 apm and tries to slam envenoms one after the other like shots at a frat party on spring break
neat plank
😄
balmy condor
You’re nearing energy cap
neat plank
so kinda like outlaw right now
balmy condor
And just mut mut env mut mut env mut mut env
Over and over and over
It’s definitely a fun playstyle for some people
neat plank
i actually like simple and fast rotations like that
oak sky
its weapon poisons whispyr
balmy condor
Sin’s got a little something for everyone
balmy condor
its weapon poisons whispyr
F poison bomb
oak sky
so yeah
balmy condor
But W dtb
oak sky
da da da da don kill me
balmy condor
Can only make me stronger
oak sky
i need you to hurry up now
oak sky
🤨
balmy condor
Why dost he knoweth the scriptures
balmy condor
Like 3 years no?
balmy condor
I feel like that song was a 3rd grade jam for me
oak sky
yeah i didnt listen to it then
balmy condor
I See
balmy condor
He goes by “ye.” Now actually
You wouldn’t get it
He made graduation though
Good one ye.
oak sky
and late registration
drifting cloud
🤨
scenic kelp
Is dusk still bugged?
stark tiger
don't know where to post this but I found something buggy in the sin APL with the improved garote who is used like it is the subterfuge talent
here a link of the quik sim with the bug : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xiRj5f6cW1eN42GVHj3eZ1
steel ridge
It's still reducing CD on Vendetta 😛
is it?
sullen hollow
so do we run twist the knife instead of amp poison?
steel ridge
who knows
sullen hollow
nah
i wanna play ass
lol top ass rogue is playing dashing on shriek
hmm
but some ppl are still behind him with dusk
hm
sullen hollow
i just recraft
royal lantern
10k to much
sullen hollow
10k is nuttin
steel ridge
but some ppl are still behind him with dusk
thats because dusk is not working rn
subtle tundra
but some ppl are still behind him with dusk
Prepatch logs 🙏
sullen hollow
i am just tryna get a look on whats done well
subtle tundra
Like nothing
sullen hollow
think im gonna play dashing tbf
steel ridge
competing with tanks
sullen hollow
ouch
sullen hollow
ya
steel ridge
life is meaningless
subtle tundra
Dashing sounds fun for more energy? Go ahead
next edge
if you think im stupid enough to actually spend gold during prepatch
I wasted 900g on a 210 necklace
sullen hollow
xd
steel ridge
we are in general rn
royal lantern
cease
steel ridge
you know you want it
sullen hollow
nah
royal lantern
you know you want it
pre "everything is on restless blades xdddddd" outlaw was cool
current outlaw just doesnt play cool imo 
button bloat for the sake of button bloat is just bad
next edge
button bloat for the sake of button bloat is just bad
I don't feel its bloated at all
You play like 7-8 buttons as much I feel
Ss, Pistol, BTE, RtB, dispatch, vanish, adrenaline, dread blades...
Not that many more right
Sin is more bloated by far I think
steel ridge
DTB got you covered
royal lantern
the majority of active talents feels like as if they just where put in for the sake of it
and not for actual good reasons
see: litearlly 3 out of 4 covenant abilitys in the spec/class tree
subtle tundra
And they also massively outperform passives
royal lantern
or thistle tea
royal lantern
how did exsang get past legion
🙂
allright, its the same people that brought SLice&dice back
and nobody liked it
next edge
see: litearlly 3 out of 4 covenant abilitys in the spec/class tree
Agree 100%
royal lantern
dont get me wrong, i think overall the trees are quiet good for rogue
but the pain points/problems are really big pain points for me
plain onyx
🥲
hard atlas
i been away, last i heard sin was cracked, hows it doing on prepatch/beta? whats strongest spec atm
sinful cradle
Outlaw
outer cairn
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
grand kiln
Guys, best talent set for Tyrannical weeks?
gusty breach
oblique jackal
Does anyone else feel energy starved while playing kingsbane build
regal sable
does anyone else feel damage starved when playing the m+ build?
balmy condor
Does anyone else feel starved when not eating food?
regal sable
no
balmy condor
Oh
balmy condor
Yes
oblique jackal
i ask a legit question and i don't get an answer :/
balmy condor
Oh
That was legit?
Assassination is supposed to be slow
If you’re energy starved that’s the spec working as intended
oblique jackal
ah really?
okay okay
I kinda miss bfa sin
Also, are we play MD with kingsbane or deeper?
balmy condor
Deeper
oblique jackal
kk
carmine burrow
what would you say boys is assassin the shit for DF ?
next edge
what would you say boys is assassin the shit for DF ?
what
carmine burrow
thanks for translation lol 😄
viscid spear
balmy condor
I think you can but it’s got to be a custom code counting poison applications by instances of damage done by spell id during kingsbane
It’s not base UI
Sounds like a lot of work just to stare at a pretty number :P
bold drum
Sounds like a lot of work just to stare at a pretty number :P
that phrase sounds like apl and simming work
oblique jackal
agreed
balmy condor
that phrase sounds like apl and simming work
Okay well
Don’t have to come at me like that man
:/
woeful wigeon
@balmy condor maby stupid question St raids lego and m+ lego for prepatch atm see dusk still not fixed or will not any tips
woeful wigeon
<a:checkpins:667779085514178564>
pins says deadly ( vanish ? ) feels weird
weak isle
pins says deadly ( vanish ? ) feels weird
then dont ask
sand elm
pins says deadly ( vanish ? ) feels weird
maybe so but till dusk is fixed its what maple suggests
misty holly
pins says deadly ( vanish ? ) feels weird
Or just pull out your old Zoldyk from SoD and use it.
spice spire
is there a weakura for kingbane stacks?
This seems similar to Frost stacks from SoD. Sure you can track it, but in the end, if you play correctly, it’ll shake out how it shakes out. Which is initially what I think whispyr was trying to say 
mystic swift
Does deathmark replace vendetta in dusk Leggo?
mystic swift
And where in ur rotation do u use serrated bone Spike? 😊
deep nimbus
is duskwalker's still broken?
pure moth
Just run deathly, its fine and you can still do decent damage. Things never fully work in prepatch. Its fine
balmy condor
And where in ur rotation do u use serrated bone Spike? 😊
Towards the beginning of your opener for the dot and then making sure you don’t overcap charges
sturdy merlin
IC + rune is pog on anduin 
tawdry plume
Which leggo are we using for Assin during this prepatch? It doesnt seem the 1 sec vendetta one is working with deathmark
pseudo hamlet
What conduits are the best? Lethal poison > WPS? WPS is only giving 1% nature damage more lol
limber lion
What conduits are the best? Lethal poison > WPS? WPS is only giving 1% nature da...
Something that's not a talent, and yeah no WPS
So Lashing Scars + LP is fine for example.
Probs shouldn't play 3 potency builds at least in single target if you can avoid it.
next edge
IC + rune is pog on anduin <:LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOOO:770797771300274206>
Nerf rogue
mystic swift
Do we really need to get rid of Mark for death? 🥲
magic thorn
Hey Guys just started playing wow again after a long pause, is bone spiked bugged ? Everytime i cast it on a mob it gets removed after a while before the mob dies.
regal sable
yes
if you play necro covenant bonespike it is bugged
if you play the talent, it is not bugged
if you play both then it works completely
balmy condor
if you play both then it works completely
what if you play with my heart
regal sable
uwu
balmy condor
glossy jewel
has probably been asked before but i didnt find anything so here we go:
used the suggested m+ talents for a few keys and noticed it has blackjack & prey on the weak instead of tricks & improved sprint in the general tree. i get you need them for pathing but tricks & improved sprint open the same pathing options and seem like an easy improvement to me. am i missing something?
balmy condor
blackjack + prey on the weak is stronger utility imo compared to tricks and improved sprint
but feel free to shuffle them around to whatever you feel suits your needs better
glossy jewel
assass tricks is kinda weak for sure but i dont see blackjack doing anything really. sprint certainly isnt necessary but i used it to path towards cheat with blackjack missing
fair enough, thank you
balmy condor
assass tricks is kinda weak for sure but i dont see blackjack doing anything rea...
I was skeptical of blackjack at first, but it's kinda like iron wire honestly. If you break a sapped mob in m+ accidentally the 30% reduction is quite noticeable actually
felt kinda nice for the tank picking up a new mob, or if someone had aggro on it and the tank wasn't quick enough to pull it
the 1 min sprint just didn't feel that necessary
but by all means
the talent tree allows choices like that
that's the beauty! :D
glossy jewel
yeah definitely, blackjack has some niche uses but i feel like tricks & sprint outweigh blackjack & prey on the weak. can certainly see that depending on dungeon too, prey on the weak is insane in some cases. i was mostly wondering if im missing some synergy or (new) interactions
balmy condor
timid cloud
Gah, I hate giving up Zold though, y'know?
timid cloud
Yeah.
oak sky
oh ok
timid cloud
I'm just tryin' to live my life right now, since we're not in DF yet.
oak sky
i bet you can drop venom rush
just gonna guess and say if ur going maim then blindside is better than ttb
ttk is prob good in cleave too
timid cloud
Might swap that out too & go Zold.
oak sky
im tryna figure out what point i would drop
timid cloud
I just dropped maim, mangle.
oak sky
nah not for that
timid cloud
o
oak sky
dropping weapon poisons seems sort of bad though
but i would probably run this ig
maybe ttk gets dropped before weapon poisons
timid cloud
Only thing I was thinking of was keeping Shiv just because I don't know what my energy will look like.
Hitting x2 Shiv's for amp during burst seems chunki, but I might be spreading myself too thin during the windows that actually matter.
timid cloud
Ambush won't clutter the rotation in 2T?
timid cloud
oak sky
it gets a little less value tho
but idk theres only so many multi target focused points we can take
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)
timid cloud
Just setting myself up before raid(s), I still feel uncomfy in my opener.
My brain trying to fight muscle memory.
lavish isle
desert musk
does a garrote applied with Improved Garrote talent have a different spell ID?
proper tapir
does a garrote applied with Improved Garrote talent have a different spell ID?
I don't think so, get the addon idTip and you can confirm.
desert musk
word thank you
dense yoke
is there a more efficient way of practicing your rotation besides waiting for your cds on a training dummy lol
oblique jackal
Nope
dense yoke
L
uncut thistle
hey guys is unity for sin rogues double leggo normally used on a ring
with dusk on helm or obedience on something else
spice spire
hey guys is unity for sin rogues double leggo normally used on a ring
Unity - wrists or other low quality slot
Dusk - chest unfortunately.
Didn’t wanna do rings because of mecha rings were more of a positive and wrists because max leggo is 291, when you can get 304 gear
spice spire
Supposed to work with deathmark however it doesn’t
So we’re doing deathly or zold Rn
uncut thistle
once dragonflight is out will these leggos still be working?
spice spire
No
manic pebble
How is sin in m+ now?
fleet imp
royal lantern
How is sin in m+ now?
lets just say, there are some non-dps specs that have more aoe value 🙂
next edge
lets just say, there are some non-dps specs that have more aoe value 🙂
Guardian Druid pulling 500k dps every 3m ins
celest drift
We'r garbage in M+ and raid, don't force yourself in the pre-patch and wait for DF
sick aspen
what build is sin running at the moment for raid?
royal lantern
We'r garbage in M+ and raid, don't force yourself in the pre-patch and wait for ...
dont worry, the first tier is not 90% cleave/aoe fights
oh wait
🙂
jade abyss
vestal dune
I haven't seen anything from the raids, are there only a few st bosses? :(
steel ridge
there is 1 pure ST boss
and the penultimate boss is somewhat both, theres one group doing adds and one group blasting the boss
royal lantern
you know, 1thing i dont understand
steel ridge
and some of the other bosses are spawning adds during the fight that dont need to concern you, just keep blasting boss.
royal lantern
why is there a council fight again
is there anyone that actually likes council fights?
steel ridge
the new council fight is going to be the worst clusterfuck
royal lantern
i only hear"not again, they suck" every time there is one lol
royal lantern
the new council fight is going to be the worst clusterfuck
aka:every council fight ever
steel ridge
i gotta say i liked pantheon
naaah the 10.0 council is much more clusterfuck than pantheon
craggy nimbus
I'm glad I'm not the only one who does shit at assassination right now. I'm highly allergic to outlaw and simply can't play it well so I'm sticking with Ass but getting depressed when doing ST dummies and fights 🙃
royal lantern
its just 1 of the prepatch "losers"
craggy nimbus
I do more aoe as assassination than as Outlaw when I have better items as Outlaw, that's how deep-rooted my dislike for the specc is 😂
steel ridge
yeah prepatch is hard on sin
royal lantern
some are op, some are really undertuned, assa is the 2nd rn
craggy nimbus
Yea, im keeping my fingers crossed for improvement at 70 instead. Think I'll just leave her be until expansion release.
steel ridge
dont worry, we are going to be fine
AND as a bonus the raid dagger is higher itemlvl than the outlaw weapons
so theres that
craggy nimbus
Ah nice nice :>
royal lantern
dont worry, we are going to be fine
im ridding the "if we start out somewhat weak, chances are high that assa gets buffs while the top end gets nerfed" copium wave rn
steel ridge
wait and see
royal lantern
and still some hope that realz hears our cries for help and nukes exsang from this world
sand elm
wait and see
dark token
is there anyone that actually likes council fights?
Yes
3 target multidot on sin is peak gameplay
pseudo hamlet
We'r garbage in M+ and raid, don't force yourself in the pre-patch and wait for ...
I wouldn't say that we're garbage. I'd rather say that we're kinda better in M+ in pre-patch. Still not top, but still good enough for weeklies(~20 at max) 😄
dark token
im ridding the "if we start out somewhat weak, chances are high that assa gets b...
Only problem is heroic and mythic week same week so idk how they are gonna balance stuff
celest drift
dont worry, the first tier is not 90% cleave/aoe fights
celest drift
I wouldn't say that we're garbage. I'd rather say that we're kinda better in M+ ...
We were still fine for weekly before tbh, was doing M+ beetwen 20-25. It's just kinda depressing to see class like Monk or Boomie skyrocketting in both M+/Raid and us mopping the floor of the recount
But hey, it's pre-patch, nobody gives a damn
let's just pray for more tuning
pseudo hamlet
We were still fine for weekly before tbh, was doing M+ beetwen 20-25. It's just ...
Ah yeah, compared to most of other specs we're... mid at best.
visual hemlock
But hey, it's pre-patch, nobody gives a damn
well i guess back to outlaw we go
peak musk
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/dragonflight-pre-patch
dont get it why nobody edits this guide.
take amplifying poisen but dont play with it... i mean wtf and if someone ask "LoOk aT PiNs" 🙄
next edge
Yeah dude
how can people don't edit stuff every single 5 minutes
so other people can get infor for free
how evil is Whispyr
he makes a guide and he doesn't have everything fucking perfect
so you can come here and complain about a free guide you can access whenever you want
I'm so dissappointed at you @balmy condor 
fleet imp
You forgot that the guide isnt even min maxed for the prepatch
next edge
You forgot that the guide isnt even min maxed for the prepatch
Also is made by a sub main.
fleet imp
I dont have talent but at least I expect the guide to bring the perfects talent