assassination

[balmy condor]

yeh uptime is also inflated from kill time

I'm impressed you got vend to 54 seconds though

that's already real good

sim theoretical minimum time between vendettas is 51

[normal mist]

Question... What goes into account on m+ parsing? Even tho no one cares about them, what is really being "logged"?

[limber lion]

The key level and the speed of it.

It works similarly to raider.io's point system

dps etc. does not matter

[normal mist]

I see, thanks

[leaden hornet]

any good vods/stremers for this? not sure what im doing wrong. trying my best to sprad garrotes/raptures into shiv/CT

ST boss im fine its the damn trash i feel soft as toilet paper

[subtle tundra]

there's not much more to do than that

shiv on cd

vendetta on cd

spread that sbs asap

[spice spire]

A Necrolord truther

[leaden hornet]

cant be bother to necro and venth bleh

cant wait to move away from these borrowed systems

man doing ST is so satisfying tho

nothing quite like it

[uneven hamlet]

[spice spire]

Stacked vault

Sheesh

Kihra’s feels real good (and it pumps)

[gusty mirage]

vault time

@spice spire

[spice spire]

Another week

Another set of sockets

God bless

[gusty mirage]

nah I take shoulders

and catalyze

ig

idfk

[spice spire]

Oh I thought you had 304s already

Then yeah

[gusty mirage]

KEK

sockets probably more deeps

tbh

[spice spire]

I’m amazed you’re not fully socketed

[gusty mirage]

belt and if I ever get a 304/311 neck

we take shoulders

[spice spire]

We live in a society

Hoping for ring or a slight upgrade kihra’s

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Mf got me bricked up

291 neck kinda stinky tho

You have to be 300+ rn, yeah?

[gusty mirage]

302

[gusty mirage]

bro

I've dropped 0 necks

all season

I got 2 upgrades given to me by alts

lol

[spice spire]

Rn I’m deadass running a 298

Haste vers neck

[gusty mirage]

278 remnant neck from our priest's prot warrior alt

and then that 291

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

I haven't even seen the upper kara neck

ever

this week for sure

[spice spire]

Truthful

I spent 30+ workshop runs on rogue to get haste ring, warrior got it in 3

[limber lion]

good thing cos ring is still better than the set

[gusty mirage]

good thing your region got to farm it for an extra week

[limber lion]

that's not true

[gusty mirage]

it's not?

[limber lion]

:(

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

No

We got it for 2 extra weeks

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

and y'all still smell

outside of you

cuz you're cute

[limber lion]

was very funny getting the timesworn key the second week

[echo geyser]

idk i still have my key

[spice spire]

That’s winnable

These mfs can still farm

[echo geyser]

i dont see any key in lfg tho

the legion ones

[gusty mirage]

[leaden hornet]

decanter 291 with 61 leech or 304 overlocking ring..gain 112 haste...

hmm

i already have an eye and a 291 elegy with leech..lol dunno

[ebon notch]

sim it

[leaden hornet]

whast the sim site

[ebon notch]

raidbots

[leaden hornet]

thnx

[ebon notch]

do you have the haste mecha ring already?

[leaden hornet]

no

[storm onyx]

You can’t farm a 304 ring tho

[ebon notch]

you can farm the haste ring at 298

but you cant farm the decanter

just gotta pray for it

[leaden hornet]

decanter + leech

i mean that with a elegy leech pretty good

[ebon notch]

leech is w.e

added bonus

[leaden hornet]

really as rouges?

hmm k

[ebon notch]

thats what healers are for my guy

[leaden hornet]

lolz

[violet jackal]

Leech+ recuperator gives you an excuse to never the boss just tell your raid lead your saving the healers mana

[mystic swift]

Is your wrist still the best item to link your cov Leggo with? 🙂

[limber lion]

Ye

[mystic swift]

Okay ty ^^

[low quartz]

My AoE damage is TERRIBLE - any tips on how to do it better?

play neth

*venth

[spice spire]

Bleed everything, use fok above 2 targets, maintain cT as a dot

[low quartz]

so just tab spam rapture while using fan of knives and maintaining crimson tempest

[spice spire]

You also want to be garroting everything

Your build should include subterfuge

But yeah, it’s a lot of tabbing and bleeding, while maintaining ct

[low quartz]

I thought venth always played master assassin

[spice spire]

In single target and raid, yes

It’s not huge tbh.
But subterfuge makes the opening sequencing a lot easier for us

Since we have 4 bleeds rolling quick, and get some energy regen rolling

[night delta]

Also remember that even if you are in an aoe situation, sin is fundamentally a priority target specialist

When vendetta is up and the upcoming pack has a big bad you want to be rid of quick, just set up bleeds on a few target then blast focus your priority, even when the garrotes and/or ruptures start dropping

[low quartz]

So my opener with Subterfuge on single target, does it change? Or still: Mutilate - SnD - Multilate - Garotte (4cp) - Rupture - MfD - CT - Vendetta + Envenom - Vanish - Mutilate x2 - Envenom?

[spice spire]

Opener will be garrote x 4 targets Ct, fok, rupture etc. etc

One thing to think about is that if you have 3 targets or more, fok becomes the better spender

[subtle tundra]

he asked ST

[spice spire]

In large packs, even if you’re focusing a target in an 8 pack, you can fok to build.

[subtle tundra]

you silly goose

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

It still does

You want to open with an empowered garrote

[ebon notch]

@spice spire do you know where i can find the string for simming bounty stacks?

im blind

[spice spire]

So it alters a bit

[low quartz]

ok, so thats the only diff, just open with a garotte instead of a mutilate?

And then I guess, when i vanish use garotte again

[subtle tundra]

yes

[night delta]

also in M+ (which I assume you are in since you run subterfuge), hopefully you never have to setup SnD on pull

[subtle tundra]

you vanish to refresh garrote in vendetta

on st

[spice spire]

It’s here @ebon notch

[night delta]

ideally you cast SnD once in the whole instance

of course it's not always possible

[ebon notch]

thank you cutie

[spice spire]

Any time papi

Glhf

[ebon notch]

u2

[low quartz]

Do I switch to ambush instead of mutilate in subterfuge window?

[dark token]

No

[spice spire]

The answer is technically yes but it’s minimal so

[night delta]

and also you don't get a chance at 4CP proc

[spice spire]

Yeah but if you’re subterfuge, the chance is already pretty low.

[brazen zodiac]

varas!!!

[storm flint]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[low quartz]

Do I shiv after my Crimson Tempest here, to empower my subterfuge garottes with the 2pc bonus?

[spice spire]

I was going through the aoe but yeah

You’re going to shiv on cd

[low quartz]

Thank you for all the help @spice spire - sorry for 1000 questions

[spice spire]

No worries homie

Glad to help

[low quartz]

All the ass rogue on Raider.io top ladder seem pretty divided between venth and necro

is there a best, per se? Or is it just preference

[subtle tundra]

necro is better

in most dungeons

[low quartz]

just cause of the aoe pressure I guess?

[spice spire]

You are able to do a lot more aoe damage with spreading bonespike

[subtle tundra]

when you do aoe with venthyr you still do most dmg to a single target

while you still vendetta on necro, you do way less on main target and more on aoe

• it has comparable ST when you get high bounty stacks

[nova flax]

hey sin rogues

what u guys think

[night delta]

spicy vault nice

[spice spire]

100% remote guidance device

[nova flax]

[spice spire]

[night delta]

gas gas gas, I'm gonna step on the gas

[oak sky]

THE BIKE

[dark token]

scars

[limber lion]

This is the wrong answer

Neck or belt, belt probably tbh

[mystic swift]

Is the haste set ring better than leggo ring x jeweled signet of mel combo?

[limber lion]

No if you have a good chest

Just gotta sim it

[dark token]

ah ye actually you want the 311 gear

well if you didnt dinar scars yet that is also good

then you can dinar a 311 piece of somethign else

[humble ginkgo]

assassination fucking sucks

[bleak sky]

cringe edgelord kid canadian bald

[mystic swift]

Nooo its so fun to play

[oak sky]

xqcL

[thorn prism]

you're so right skip

[night delta]

I thought you can't dinar regular loot ?

[scarlet warren]

Cringe take

[night delta]

only weapons, trinkets and special stuff

[dark token]

orly?

lol

[scarlet warren]

You can dinar anything

From the raids

[humble ginkgo]

No u cant

[sinful cradle]

you cant

[scarlet warren]

And when I say anything I mean anything

[humble ginkgo]

Only trinkets and weapons

[scarlet warren]

Oh wait yeah trinkets and weapons

[bleak sky]

warlock player L

[night delta]

(and anduin rings for Dk / priest)

[scarlet warren]

But I mean I bought a gavel on my wl for felguard

So I thought it was everything lol

[humble ginkgo]

you can buy shit from other classes

[night delta]

and maybe the jailer neck ?

idk

[sinful cradle]

anything with a special effect

or trinkets/weapons

[night delta]

jailer neck hasn't a special effect, it's just 3 stats instead of 2

I thought I saw it in the dinar shop but now i'm not so sure

[scarlet warren]

I'm pretty sure it is

Nah actually it's not weird I thought it was

[spice spire]

Nice try defending your point, too bad I have logs of you maining warlock in sepulcher 🤨

[thorn prism]

you can't do this to me I swear I'm innocent or at least mostly not guilty

[spice spire]

Unlucky for you, I’m a hater

[gusty mirage]

don't you play outlaw now?

[spice spire]

Yeah he’s not Canadian

He’s Brazilian

[gusty mirage]

no he's one person

idiot

[bleak sky]

lmao quake can't count

[spice spire]

Ya’ll stretching this one, more than @thorn prism stretches the truth when she says she wasn’t a warlock main

🤨

[gusty mirage]

who

[thorn prism]

jeez

[spice spire]

Exactly

[oak sky]

There is no warlock main in ba sing se

[gusty mirage]

what the fuck did you just call me?

[oak sky]

Leaves on the vine.....

[spice spire]

The worst thing you can call a man

American

[thorn prism]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-air-bender-joo-dee-smile-happy-gif-17283492

[spice spire]

Mayaa denying her ORIGINS

[oak sky]

Lake laogai

[thorn prism]

my origins are outlaw rogue thank you

well really they're blood dk but

that's not cringe

[spice spire]

Agree bdks aren’t cringe

[thorn prism]

first key I ever did

[pliant fog]

considering I've never had 2, does getting the 2nd EoN make the stacks go to 8? or does it just have 2 different stacks of 4? and what makes the 2nd one so good?

[strange python]

still 4 stacks but more damage

[pliant fog]

thanks 😄

[brazen zodiac]

the second worst: sin otp

[spice spire]

@ me

[brazen zodiac]

@spice spire @brazen zodiac

we dirty :(

[spice spire]

😦

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

[main sail]

what spot is good for the unity ??

[timid cloud]

Bracers usually.

But

[dark token]

Bracers is where blunderbuss wrists go tho

Sad I didn't farm cos ring so I can put duskwalker on ring

[timid cloud]

Sir, this is a Dennys.

It’s also Sin chat. Not Breadblades.

[dark token]

I mean I think most rogues play multiple specs idk

It's nice to pick a slot where you would never need to craft another

I'm thinking unity on cloak, outlaw bracers, duskwalker ring (if u have cos) otherwise chest

That lets you play sub single target in raid too with akaari on neck

[oak sky]

lol sub in raid 💀

[dark token]

No finality but outlaw is gonna be played over sub in m+ by a mile anyway

Yeah I think sub to me dead tbh I would play either outlaw or sin

[oak sky]

theres not much reason to play sub rn unless you're a sub main

which is respect

[dark token]

Is there a reason to play sin either?

[oak sky]

more boss damage probably

probably

but you basically just play outlaw for everything

• we're in sin chat

[dark token]

Yeah bit annoying

I still play sin in raids on the more ST fights cause it's close enough to outlaw and I find the tier set fun

[oak sky]

i just play sin in everything because its season 4

[dark token]

I'm trying to find a guild for df so I'm playing outlaw to not look like a 1 trick

[oak sky]

i just look like a 1 trick

i dont have a good weapon for outlaw just an ok one

dont really care though

im playing s4fun

i play outlaw in my keys

good enough

[main sail]

bracers allright thanks

[timid cloud]

Yeah, same just about. I can’t bring myself to play Sin in keys right now, Just too painful….

[uncut dragon]

sin for tyrannical sub for fortified

hey, question for my rogue friends...you know those cartel dinars that give you free raid loot? I got the 2 sylvanas daggers of course...is there anything else I absolutely have to get? I heard veinripper was OP, if I played outlaw I'd grab it...might get just for timewalking if they keep the proc. Cache is a nice trinket. Couple of mog daggers...

[strange trail]

In the assassination faq, it'll say what they recommend getting for those tokens

Me personally I got edge of night, and cache so far

[late needle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[limber lion]

3 seasons of farming Court of Stars and now it's coming back as one of the main dungeons in the rotation in Dragonflight

::D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D.

😩

kill me.

[subtle tundra]

i see that as a w

means i dont have only 1 week to farm

[stray bloom]

Imagine it drops the first run you do

[vestal wren]

but court was confirmed quite a while ago

what it new is shadowmoon and halls

[subtle tundra]

Haha don't you love having a ring slot locked in place

[balmy condor]

dungeons before legion have no place in m+ their designs are too antiquated, their mechanics too ridiculous to balance, the telegraphing non-existent in a m+ world where you push until you get one tapped by a random mob with an uninterruptable spam cast

this is my take

and I will die with it

[vestal wren]

iirc it was stated that changes to dungeons are not off the table

so if the dev team thinks they are not up to date, they will surely re-work/update them

[balmy condor]

yeah like it took them 2 months to "fix" lower kara and grimrail right

lower kara is in a great spot now after the 5 rounds of nerfs!

trust me!

[slow needle]

I don't see why at least S1 can't just be new things. Can't wait for the first key that drops to be court. Gonna be so excited to be forced to run that again in this brand new expansion.

[brisk garnet]

Grimrail and ID are better than any of the Legion dungeons they've reintroduced in SL.

[balmy condor]

that's a spicy take

[slow needle]

Not sure I agree about that. Upper is mainly a knowledge thing on Curator I've found. Most groups live and die by that boss and doing it correctly.

Though I think Halls is going to end up like Lower. Hopefully it'll happen on beta and not on live. There is a lot of trash in there that I don't think will play nice with Inspiring and the bosses were one shot-y back in Legion at not terribly high key levels if I remember right.

[brisk garnet]

I stand by it. Karas, Vaults and CoS were all massively worse. Worse than Sanguine Grimrail

Hopefully they at least thoroughly test if they'll be part of the main rotation now

[subtle tundra]

Is there a single intrerruptable mob in Iron docks?

Except 2nd boss

[glass berry]

Zul'gamux

[spice spire]

Yeah legit second boss and zulgamox I think

[subtle tundra]

I thought about it, the flying add on 3rd boss which you cc

So you don't actually

[viscid spear]

Hyrja on Tyrannical
We get to hear "gib me da AYY JIZZ" repeatedly again

[night delta]

so much agree

week 1 M+ this season was nightmarish

[viscid spear]

How many nerfs did the Kara dungeons need? lol

[night delta]

unavoidable damage (that almost kills you outright) galore, completely bullshit mechanics, bugs bugs bugs

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[gusty mirage]

Too many

[night delta]

like being hit twice by the wolf's charge in Docks

[spice spire]

The add that I’ve never bone spiked in my life

[night delta]

WHILE HE WAS TURNING AWAY FROM YOU

[spice spire]

[night delta]

or unavoidable fire arrows

or unavoidable lightning breath

or canonballs that phase through pillars and cover

or...

[gusty mirage]

Just pre evasion the mechanic from a boss no one’s seen for like 8 years

[viscid spear]

or someone not dispelling Nok'gar's shield

[night delta]

Forks

they spawn

they can instantly kill you if you're unlucky

[spice spire]

Was a huge fan of that week 2

Getting blasted by forks on a fortified

[night delta]

Dinner's served

meanwhile, oh guess what

Mechagon's fine

Tazavesh's fine

[slow needle]

I still mourn the loss of workshop hammers.

[night delta]

I wonder why ?

[viscid spear]

Hope I don't spoil your appetite, dearies!

[spice spire]

Cuz taz was nerfed into the ground

[night delta]

Point taken

damn those two last trashmobs before so'leah

week 1 Fortified s3

[gusty mirage]

Mechagon got nerfed as well

At least workshop did

[viscid spear]

I forgot how annoying Sparkflux's voice was before this season

[gusty mirage]

Removing true sight from the robots was a massive nerf

[timid cloud]

Get your butt into gear!

[viscid spear]

all the puns

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

I’ll just take a LITTLE off the top

[timid cloud]

Lowkey, HOV, Shadowmoon, & Court are gonna make me wanna come bit sewer slide

[night delta]

I don't recall mechagon being anywhere near this season's Karazhan week 1 though

[spice spire]

Just wait until covenants get reintroduced and we go night fae

[timid cloud]

My garden is of the HIGHEST CALIBER!

[spice spire]

Nah it’s legit that one pack

[gusty mirage]

Because it was under tuned as fuck

[timid cloud]

Mecha is piss easy.

[night delta]

I mean during BfA

workshop certainly wasn't

[gusty mirage]

Oh, first couple of weeks mechagon was miserable lol

[night delta]

the double pogobot pack was oof

[timid cloud]

Doing a 25 lower is more impressive than a 30 yard or work.

I said what I said.

[gusty mirage]

First week of mechagon m+, Junkyard gabbamak with explosives

Very cool

Little dudes spawned explosives

[night delta]

oh yeah I remember

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

Gunker explosives.

Loved that for us, periodt.

[night delta]

that was just an issue with the affix though, not general tuning

[gusty mirage]

I remember running it

[spice spire]

I didn’t see mechagon week one so I’ve nothing

[gusty mirage]

And going “there’s no way the adds spawn explosives that’d be dumb as fuck”

[timid cloud]

Oh boy were we wrong.

[gusty mirage]

Proceed to spend 5 minutes killing explosives

[timid cloud]

😂

[gusty mirage]

Legit zero boss damage because it was a full group effort to not wipe

[night delta]

Also, having to mind not triggering Hardmode by mistake

took a few by surprise

[timid cloud]

Just holding out for the soak trying to activate the lightning pillars.

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

& the robot.

I’m so full of explosions, YUM!

[gusty mirage]

Remember tol dogor with the strength gamers and their new Maut weapon?

Oh the maut weapon procced pog

Now everyone in the dungeon is murdering us

[timid cloud]

Was that Echoing Void?

Or was that a different one?

[night delta]

I remember Tol'Dagor & Waycrest with the corruption lazerbeam

[gusty mirage]

Dif one

Lemme find it

[timid cloud]

Wasn’t it like armor & explosion…

[viscid spear]

Obsidian SKin?

[fringe yoke]

hey guys, quaestion is it worth going NF for m sludgefist for the 1 min cheese or is venthyr always jsut better?

[viscid spear]

Explode for 700% of your Armor every 30 sec?

[night delta]

twas Twilight Devastation, no ?

the lazerbeam

that hit through ceilings

[timid cloud]

I think you get more overall from Venthyr on that fight.

[viscid spear]

idk it's on an axe that Maut drops

[timid cloud]

Oh yeah

[gusty mirage]

It was called legit Shkzizzkzksizzzzz

[viscid spear]

Sk'shuul Vaz

[gusty mirage]

See

I was right

[viscid spear]

They all had silly names

[timid cloud]

Yeah. That in TD…

[gusty mirage]

It pulled the entire prison

[timid cloud]

Love me some z axis.

Yeah, there was one more that was nuts…

[night delta]

ah, 8.3 good times

when we had legit 100% haste

[timid cloud]

It was Lug’muh buuls, I think….

[gusty mirage]

Then

Twilight dev on sisters in waycrest

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

During the MC phase

[timid cloud]

One taps.

[gusty mirage]

Accidentally gibbing your friends

[timid cloud]

Or void tendrils.

Twisted Appendage

[gusty mirage]

I loved my doom noodle

[night delta]

I like that we all remember fondly this moment in gearing

[timid cloud]

I hated dropped them when we went haste, but lowkey it felt so much better.

[spice spire]

Strange that’s what you call me 🤨

[night delta]

then say straight never again

[timid cloud]

Yeah. I did something like 1,000 visions.

[gusty mirage]

I calll you señor bitch tits actually

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

Nah don’t front while ur in sin chat

You whisper sweet nothings to me daily I s2g

[gusty mirage]

I don’t even like you bro

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-wish-mistral-gif-25071030

[spice spire]

Damn my feeling

[marble ruin]

awesome, only one of the eight dungeons in the season one rotation drops a dagger.. even less of a chance of pulling a weapon from the vault than this season.

two*

[night delta]

I don't think the loot tables are final

[celest ruin]

will cos ring still be bis in df?

[spice spire]

🔮

Gut says yes

[celest ruin]

dear lord they should just remove that effect from the ring

[nova flax]

No

😠

I like

[scenic sky]

Ok so with the Great vault i got

[Logic Loop of Recursion] 304
This has an effect if you use 3 abilites on the same target .....

I need your guys expertise on this 🙂

But simming the trinket i got is better
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ib6rJzz23scvGz4sgD6PNr

[spice spire]

Are you looking for single target or five target?

Decanter is a fine trinket

The ring is a good backup for the “behind the target” ring

[night delta]

I was hallucinating at his sim until I saw (5)

like "how the fuck could my itemization be that bad ?"

[spice spire]

I’m running a sim changing gems too.
Mastery is a strange one - but I digress

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uQGRQqU7S6dCULXtYyhFFN

Cursed

[scenic sky]

Mastery seems always to be the top stat don't ask how. On St and mt

[spice spire]

It’s half mastery half haste

Didn’t change talents if you’re running DS, no point in it.
But yeah

If you go for the haste ring from workshop; the ring in your vault skyrockets in value

If you’re a raider and rarely run keys; I wouldn’t worry

[scenic sky]

I do both, well raid twice a week. But only heroic we lack people in the guild to do mythic.
I do keys when I have time 😁

What do you meen with DS?

[spice spire]

Oh yeah, deeper stratagem

Generally you’d run marked for death there

But if for whatever reason you don’t (I raid lead and don’t have the spoons to keep up with it and everything else, personally) no point in simming it

[scenic sky]

There is also a plan b, use last token to buy the trinket {or scar) and just go for ring

[terse sandal]

Is assa dag/dag only or can they offhand anything

[spice spire]

You need two daggers to mutilate

So we’re double dag only

[terse sandal]

WELL dang....i have EON but im mostly outlaw looking to dabble into assassination for raiding

[dark token]

I am dinaring eon -> cruciform -> eon

For similar reasons

[brazen zodiac]

@spice spire qtie!

[spice spire]

[minor gate]

so im using Devlin's weakaura but im having trouble seeing when pandemic is up is there something i need to sort out?

[carmine dawn]

Are Cev's PTimers WA still good @spice spire ?

[spice spire]

Timers yes

Unsure how to port to anything not afenar tho

[carmine dawn]

i mean he made it from afenars iirc

i just disabled afenars and put his in the same spot

[carmine dawn]

https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d/3

try these instead

[limber lion]

I mean even though the template is Afenar's, nothing else is

You can use it with any pack or as a standalone if you want

You can change the texture, text color, size and border if you want

[minor gate]

Thanks 👍

[carmine dawn]

hows ur week bud

[limber lion]

Super busy, viola competition starting in 2 days.

You?

[carmine dawn]

company laid off 11% today and i made the cut

it is what it is

[thorn prism]

not a grey parser

[carmine dawn]

goodluck tho i know youll crush it

[nocturne geode]

@balmy condor

max is looking for a rogue

to chat with

[gusty mirage]

can confirm

I used them in atrocity until they got updated

[nocturne geode]

nvm he said tomorrow if you contact him

[uncut dragon]

All the George Philipp Telemann you can handle?

[normal mist]

Last night I finally finished the first coin quest and bought my first eon, went to dps check both assa and outlaw and goddamn it outlaw is only behind 100 dps on my character :c

(st)

[limber lion]

Tyty!

[limber lion]

Big time.

[brazen zodiac]

ayeee you got this dude!!!

[subtle tundra]

my god its 2 minute kill timers

this raid

fuckin hell

[spice spire]

No scars gaming?

[subtle tundra]

scars would only be a headache lol

[violet jackal]

I think we had a 1.5minute shriekwing with 3 carries

If sludgefist doesn't die on first pillar heroic your raid team is bad and should disband

Also i figured out the cevarion vendetta on pull and pillar one

[subtle tundra]

pretty sure it doesnt die on first on mythic

[ebon notch]

died during third for us

wouldve been faster potentially

[subtle tundra]

if you do it correctly you can kill it before 2nd

(i think)

[limber lion]

The fastest kill is 2:13. Second pillar is 2:05.

So no

[subtle tundra]

pretty close

[limber lion]

I mean pretty much the entire 2nd pillar

which is kinda big

skipping that is probs not happening

[spice spire]

Both nocco rogues top 25 all stars

(Overall not just rogues)

[limber lion]

Sheesh gamers

[spice spire]

That’s what I’m saying

Fotmrogue and anonymous absolutely murdering it rn

[oak sky]

Shish

[limber lion]

that anonymous dude must be hacking

[spice spire]

Idk what that mf doing but he’s cranking

Got me bricked up rn ong

[oak sky]

I always see him beating my logs man

Pisses me off

[spice spire]

Alright that’s enough zoomer lingo

[limber lion]

You got him beat on Sludge though!

Gaming

destroying the anon

[oak sky]

Fight timing diff

Did you only get 1 sepsis?

Or was it 1 pull 1 on pillar

[limber lion]

My chain broke before 3rd pillar

[oak sky]

Oof

[limber lion]

So I sat 6s stunned during the pillar

or 5s or whatever it is

felt pretty bad

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

probs my fault for not moving with the partner

I was just stood waiting for Sludge to charge

[oak sky]

We had no demon hunter and our 3rd and 4th pillars we did early by not soaking the ranged chains

[limber lion]

and then my chain broke

with me standing still

but I should have positioned better oh well

Oh damn 4 pillars

What a giga strat actually

[oak sky]

We had no cds for the 3rd one

It wouldve just died on 3rd pillar if we did the soak

[limber lion]

This is just 3rd pillar

and I was stunned for half of it

what a sad sight

Next week for sure

[oak sky]

Team got rinsed

[limber lion]

We got an early 3rd pillar last week as well

and we saved lust for it as well

so everything just went to shit with the missed soak

[oak sky]

Ye

[limber lion]

lust and pillar without cds

yuk

[oak sky]

We were just lusting 1st pillar

[limber lion]

Yeh you def should

doing anything else is just int

but our officers disagree

[oak sky]

Even week 1 we did 1st pillar

[limber lion]

Good

I'm a big advocate for it as well

Everyone alive, everyone has cds

Why not

[ebon notch]

we tried first pillar first time

never again

thankfully

viklund was not happy

[limber lion]

Yeh

[ebon notch]

xoxo

[limber lion]

I just want to do mote barrier shriek again

:'(

I had the perfect setup for it but I scuffed my entire rotation

Korayn axe crank

[strange python]

whispyr on max's stream in an hour and a half letsgoo

[uncut dragon]

I liked the JC Bach better. So much of the rest is pretending to be a cello up an octave. Who do you okay with?

[drowsy hollow]

Yay for Whispyr being on Max's stream soon

[strange python]

good talk rn if someone's tuned

they starting assa rn

[uncut dragon]

I’m at work toss me any highlights if they’re good.

[timid cloud]

I’m not enjoying my time on M SLG Fated.

This fight feels like cheeks on Sin if you do the cheese for energy.

Sludgefist was hella fun though.

I might do forbidden tech. ||Necrolord||

[wide bolt]

whats the sin cheese?

[timid cloud]

Not Sin cheese, just cheese.

[viscid spear]

How gouda is it?

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-mouse-mice-swiss-cheese-eat-food-gif-20380925

[solid mica]

!FUU

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[west tiger]

someones really playing assa in m+ and can give me a quick look if its viable or na?

[subtle tundra]

🥺

If you're an excellent player, you can make it work

[echo geyser]

only varas viable

[subtle tundra]

It's cause I'm a troll

[echo geyser]

In workshop it should be decent right

It does more st than outlaw or?

[subtle tundra]

Its kinda the same

But outlaw still has more mobility so it's way more comfy

I can make an essay why assa isn't worth playing unfortunatwly

[violet jackal]

I get a lot of praise playing assa in keys from pugs

[normal mist]

How do you overalls look like as an assa? (Yes depends on a lot of variables but a rough number should suffice)

[stray mural]

I just don’t have the APM or brain required to play Outlaw. I did every key at 20 or higher this season as Assa

Play what you want man

[misty holly]

What do you mean by viable? At 300 ilevel you can clear low 20's no problem as Sin.

But a good Outlaw player will definitely be able to push higher.

If you're going for the 0.1% end of season title better go outlaw.

[violet jackal]

Afto is 287 and in contention to get the .1% title as assassination only

it just comes down to finding a group that will accept you

[brazen zodiac]

:c

[echo geyser]

thats a speed set

[violet jackal]

yea speeding his way to 3000 io

[royal lantern]

whats the weakaura command again

[brazen zodiac]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[royal lantern]

im not a smart man

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but u a cool man 😎

[royal lantern]

[ornate cloud]

So, I'm a bit torn on which covenant to choose for Assassination(M+/Casual Raiding), I keep getting told Venthyr is good but Necrolord's is more...sustained I guess I could call it that but I really love the Venthyr's aesthetic and Flagellation is really satisfying with those vendetta windows. Opinions?

[balmy condor]

Venthyr is strictly better but if you’re casually playing you can play whichever you feel like on any given day, there’s no locks anymore so if you want to play necro one day just swap over and play that

[ornate cloud]

Better to find one that fits my style and make it work from there then?

[spice spire]

Sure

[thorn fox]

Realz is answering some questions in #tww-subtlety

[sweet inlet]

Is slice and dice really as "click and forget" as some people make out?

[oak sky]

yes

[brazen zodiac]

haha

yes it is :D

[sweet inlet]

ok good

[viscid spear]

For Assassination it is.
Outlaw can roll a buff that allows you to maintain it for fairly long but that's RNG
Sub lol

[sweet inlet]

ah yeah i was only asking specifically for ass

[worn panther]

Sub has to actually use it mid-fight cuz their SnD talent sucks. Outlaw can RNG not care or randomly cast it mid-fight once. Sin you use it like, at the start and then forget it was a button

[tame mantle]

any assa streamer you guys can recommend watching?

[balmy condor]

idk if varas is streaming sin still

there's not really anyone playing the spec as of right now

it's all either beta content or outlaw on live

[tame mantle]

yeah thats fair

[timid cloud]

Playing it is just a struggle.

[tame mantle]

im very clueless on how to play it but wanna try it out a bit

[timid cloud]

You’re working like x3 as hard for less damage.

[tame mantle]

yeah i figured its not as good as outlaw

like by far

mobility feels worse as well

necro seems quite fun tho

[timid cloud]

The rotation might change depending on the Mob count & how long they live.

[tame mantle]

what are the most important dots to sustain on aoe?

[timid cloud]

Garrote & rupture

[tame mantle]

more important than CT?

cause of energy?

[timid cloud]

Does more damage too. There’s no world right now where we spam CT either.

[tame mantle]

did 1 dungeon so far

was maintaining it for the dot on aoe

we pulled like 8 mobs at a time tho so theres that

[timid cloud]

Yeah, that should be fine.

It also depends on what you’re there for, overall or ethical priority gaming.

[tame mantle]

tried not to cap on bonespikes

and snipe shades with it

[timid cloud]

Cause we’re just supposed to be taking out big boys.

[tame mantle]

how do you cd as necro

just put all 3 dots, then vendetta?

actually i should check on wowhead before asking stupid questions here

[timid cloud]

Wouldn’t say it’s stupid. You’re just asking rotation stuff.

I think even when you play NL you play Deeper Strat too.

Not that many NL gamers

Much less Sin NL

[oak sky]

Yeah

[tame mantle]

currently playing this

[timid cloud]

I gotta get back to work, otherwise I’d be more helpful.

Yeah, that’s fine.

[tame mantle]

with this

[timid cloud]

You can play Bonesmith or go for the 30 minute Kevin build.

Just make sure you dismiss Kevin if you skip.

He will pull random stuff.

[tame mantle]

just saw someone play this so i copied it

idk if its any good

will go kevin for streets tho

[timid cloud]

Poison Katar isn’t that hot tbh. Bit of a bait.

[tame mantle]

shiv one just better?

[timid cloud]

Or Lethal Poisons.

[tame mantle]

got that one

[balmy condor]

katar is better aoe, 0 single target

but the amount of "better aoe" that it is

is really low

[tame mantle]

fair fair

[timid cloud]

Yeah, it’s the overall choice.

M’uh FOK damage…

[tame mantle]

overall as sin

KEK

[timid cloud]

Yeah that’s why most play Venthyr.

You’re there to nuke & do boss dam

[tame mantle]

yeah im gonna give that a try as well

nadja for m+? or theodar as well

[tame mantle]

just figured you can fuck up more as venth so didnt play it yet <.<

[timid cloud]

Both are kinda mid in terms of usefulness. Cause like, shade isn’t realistic, & the thrill seeker buff from Nadjia isn’t up sometimes at the best times.

[tame mantle]

smth about this looks very cursed

[balmy condor]

feels like garrote should be higher

other than that, looks okay

[tame mantle]

yeah had a lot of spiteful inbetween pulls

[balmy condor]

yep that'll do it

[tame mantle]

are there any nelf shenanigans?

[balmy condor]

in general seems okay though

[tame mantle]

like meld dispatch

[balmy condor]

yeah, you have to meld into a full stealth

and then you get garrotes

but meld insta garrote doesn't work

[tame mantle]

can you do that during cb?

i assume it takes like 1 second

to drop cb

[balmy condor]

I've not played with meld in like 7 years but my understanding is you press meld and afk for like 3 seconds to drop combat

and then you can go again

[tame mantle]

wait

[balmy condor]

and it's a little questionable if that's worth it

[tame mantle]

is that actually worth it then

[balmy condor]

it's a hard maybe

[tame mantle]

it seems worth if you need the silence

for w/e reason

[winter garden]

did they take out the dr poison?

[tame mantle]

do i play MFD as venth in keys?

[tame mantle]

shares a node with numbing in the class tree

left side 2nd or 3rd row

[winter garden]

oh :/

so every rogue has it now

[tame mantle]

yeah

[winter garden]

sad

[formal dome]

that’s so true lmao

[rotund oak]

anyone with drivers issues/cant launch battlenet?

[violet jackal]

Kevin can’t pull during stealth skips this was fixed early last patch

[timid cloud]

Oh, sorry. I don't play stinky NL

[subtle tundra]

you stinky

[timid cloud]

[woeful meteor]

Yes

[woeful cradle]

how to use cache trinket ? Its 3min cd for choosing weapon. Why is it still OP?

[oak sky]

axe is really good

[woeful cradle]

but after one time use its cd 3mins right only for cleave

[oak sky]

yeah you can use it again 3 mins later

its good in single target too

[near magnet]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[cold patio]

!scars

[prisma monolith]

Scars of Fraternal Strife usage:
Stack it up to rune 4. Activate the 5th rune close to the end of the fight, if you can line it up with the last use of your major cooldown.
Note: Runes have negative side effects that can also take you out of stealth.

[viscid spear]

Gotta get used to Scars tomorrow

[gusty mirage]

just don't go afk with 4 runes active

[viscid spear]

I'm sure Quake would make me aware of that, lol

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Which # rune is the crit?

[gusty mirage]

stack 4 like a

always

[viscid spear]

Well yeah, stack to 4 asap and then hit it near the end of the fight (preferably with CDs)
Still cursed af but what can you do

[crisp sluice]

Anyone able to give suggestions? I know theres some obvious minor min maxing things, plus im missing 2nd edge + trinkets etc. but any glaring issues?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/emGZMAJYmvhsrS3jy6GQTN

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2atTnvC518W3LNjUQdCc4B

[ebon notch]

i played it on my warrior yesterday

the slow sometimes is terrifying lmao

[viscid spear]

At least I have Shimmer so that's two charges I can have in my pocket if shit gets tight.

[tame mantle]

how come the weapon swap is a dps upgrade?

[drifting cloud]

error margin

[balmy condor]

yeh

sim just not precise enough to understand the difference

[tame mantle]

ahh okay

[crisp sluice]

thanks @balmy condor appreciate it as always!

[strange python]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Please Contribute by filling out the form on the title card with any info you have tested
This sheet is community-driven and may have some inaccuracies or be slightly out of date. You can help fix this by contributing!
Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[uncut dragon]

I did not know the defense usability thing existed. New raids were always a chance to try them all out, kind of like playing a new video game and seeing if friendly fire and fall damage exist.

[pale helm]

Can anyone help me figure out why my dungeon DPS is so terrible? I've got single target to a decent level, but Jesus my aoe is embarassing

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wfPjrp9XtCa3JFxq/#fight=last

[balmy condor]

it's honestly not very well maintained if I'm being honest.

One of those situations where a lot of people asked for it, but not a lot of people wanted to actually test it out and report it

[balmy condor]

honestly I don't think the aoe is going to get much beter but you making some weird mistakes

this is on an opener, but after getting crimson tempest up, you fok into an MFD, which doesn't make much sense to me, and then re-cast crimson tempest after having just put it up

and then there's a super long time where just nothing happens

I assume part of the issue is it's a +8 and things are dying so fast that you can't rupture and you're running out of energy because of it

but sin aoe is honestly just maintain CT, spread bleeds, cry softly

[true rapids]

hey just getting back into wow I just got unity leggo, Ideally you want unity cloak and duskwalker ring?

[balmy condor]

#assassination-faq has all the info on slots and why we do what we do in the season 4 mini guide

[true rapids]

Ah I see it now

[limber dagger]

what makes assa so bad right now for m+?

is it just numbers

[spice spire]

Numbers + play style.
And it’s not that it’s bad, it’s just more difficult to play optimally and you’re doing 20x more work to be 30% worse than outlaw

[limber dagger]

is there anything assa excells at over outlaw?

[spice spire]

Currently?

No

I take it back

Huge pack Aoe, but sub beats us both

[vestal wren]

well but subtlety also sucks at low target cleave

so you win some, you lose some

[rotund oak]

❤️

[lusty saddle]

Zoldyck Insignia for m plus yes?

[rotund oak]

or u can press the outlaw activation button

and play outlaw

:d

[lusty saddle]

i hate outlaw with a passion

[rotund oak]

i can see that role of yours

total hatred

[lusty saddle]

pure hatred

[spice spire]

No

We’re all dusk gaming now

[vestal wren]

i like all 3 specs in df

because ||they all have shadow dance||

[fallow canopy]

in the darkest timeline ||exsanguinate, shadow dance and mfd are all must have||

[vestal wren]

you forgot about

[fallow canopy]

I didn't have enough malice to think of that

[pale helm]

Thanks for the advice earlier.

[gleaming comet]

Am I right in thinking Mage Tower no longer gives the dagger transmog? Only if you did it in legion?

[dense hamlet]

ur right

u only get transmog set

[gleaming comet]

sadge, ty for confirming mate

yeah I did mage tower on outlaw and transmog, just didn't know about daggers, blizzard baited me

A "no longer available" would have been nice xd

[dark token]

Those are the sickest daggers in the game too

[nova flax]

They sheathe on the back. I just wish u could put illusions on them

[normal mist]

It's sad that on a orc type 1 they look super small

(especially sheathed on the back)

[strange python]

Type 1 kek

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/controlling-laugh-laughing-oh-god-thats-funny-funny-thats-hilarious-gif-26533352

[distant mesa]

would there be any reason to why I'd feel energy starved with literally everything up on a target? IK 23% haste is low but ;'( trying to figure this shit out

[violet jackal]

I could be wrong but I don't think you want eternal skirmish
but back to the point your energy should be good if poisons are ticking on bleeds

[distant mesa]

just felt like I was sitting at 30-50 and it never going up for a very extended period

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hcBRt7J3H1XaZoMwx1U2f5 mastery and scars now?

O.o

tahts x2 on use tho

wait that was Dslice nvm

[gusty mirage]

it'll still recommend those on patchwerk

scars & kihras is one of our best combos

in all situations

[woeful socket]

You have deadly poison applied right?

[distant mesa]

yeah

have a weak aura yelling at me if that crap isnt applied on the duration of the buff is less than 5m

thats why it's aggitating

[timid cloud]

Was it on Eye of the Jailer?

I can see you pugging right now.

If you got hit with a fractured soul, that would do it.

Oh, I misread. Low energy, not low damage. my bad.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KvWwmTy4r9aHMhfP#fight=3&type=casts&view=events&source=24

This was your opener.

https://i.gyazo.com/3f763b417d1d702e5c3ac1bf85d4c5cd.png

[balmy condor]

[viscid spear]

[dark token]

look at timeline vs this

looks better than the stacked view

[violet jackal]

which ever healer got hit by that opener is dead

[gray hazel]

does the damage from Salvaged Infused Amplifier only come from melee attacks?

or does thinks like FoK and Mutilate also trigger the damage

[balmy condor]

it's a chance from all hits I believe but since auto attacks are the majority of hits, auto's also proc it the most

[gray hazel]

ok sweet! was curious to see if it would be a good M+ damage trinket with FoX and Crimson Tempest

[balmy condor]

definitely not

it's good in single target, and that's about it

[brazen zodiac]

!

[sturdy merlin]

Is this a season 2 log ?

[timid cloud]

No, that’s right now.

[dark token]

Yes

I was just saying use that view it's helpful

[timid cloud]

[gloomy fern]

very helpful, thanks

[cobalt hemlock]

would a 304 wrist that also does on use nature dmg overtime be worth replacing my unity to different spot?

[gusty mirage]

no

[cobalt hemlock]

bummer

[dark token]

Sim it and see tbh maybe your neck is bad and you can move unity there

Or cloak

[gusty mirage]

those bracers are trash

[dark token]

You can catalyst em

[gusty mirage]

lol

you're suggesting he sim it and possibly spend tens of thousands of gold

for like

at best

60 dps

is crazy

[dark token]

I mean I guess I'm just undervaluing gold here, new Lego is 7-15k

[gusty mirage]

okay

so tens of thousands of gold

[dark token]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty mirage]

the entire reason we put unity on bracers is because it's a low stat budget slot

[dark token]

Yeah I agree but unity on neck or cloak is also useful if you offspec outlaw

So it's not like a total waste of gold

[gusty mirage]

what

if you're going to talk about offspeccing outlaw with unity

why would you run a crit haste unity

especially when suggesting someone drop thousands of gold to min max to that extent

[dark token]

Crit haste unity, haste vers outlaw Lego?

That's quite good?

Stats for outlaw I mean

[gusty mirage]

is it bis?

[dark token]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

crit haste is bis?

for every outlaw player?

[dark token]

No it depends on your stat weights but it's +- 15 DPS maybe

[gusty mirage]

oh okay

[subtle tundra]

it literally doesnt matter

[gusty mirage]

thanks for proving my point

[subtle tundra]

just put something lmao

[dark token]

Idk I think offspeccing the best spec this patch might be useful in content idk

Especially if it's a DPS gain for your sin setup to move Legos

If you are short on gold don't do it

[subtle tundra]

for like 20 dps i wouldnt and i have 2 mil gold

[gusty mirage]

moving around leggos to fit in 304 bracers is a waste of gold and time

[dark token]

You also don't know his situation, maybe he is rocking a 260 neck

And it would be a significant upgrade

That's what I did on my alt anyway

[violet jackal]

M+ is uncapped and he can fix his situation

[brazen zodiac]

varas!

[subtle tundra]

hi!

[gusty mirage]

neither do you, and that’s exactly why I answered with a generic no

[cobalt hemlock]

didnt expect you to be so enthusiastic about it its fine its not a big deal

[gusty mirage]

Is it worth? Generally, no

[brazen zodiac]

any sin m+ gameplay today? :o

[subtle tundra]

ill probably do beta m+ (probably)

[dark token]

I guess you can say generally anyone asking in discord about a bracer being an upgrade probably doesn't need to minmax 50 DPS on their lego slots

[brazen zodiac]

sounds cool ill keep an eye out!

:D

[dark token]

But I will say unity on neck is a solid recommendation for anyone multi speccing

Unless you can get 311 jailer neck

[violet jackal]

I think it still comes out to bracer

[hollow river]

Gm mr lawyer man been a while

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

notrickz!

[west karma]

guys, how is the aoe opener for assa venthyr?

[spice spire]

This is in #assassination-faq

[gusty mirage]

he said aoe opener tho

[spice spire]

Oh I done goofed

I should read

[gusty mirage]

its okay

I still love you

[subtle tundra]

garet garet garet fok swap to main target -> flag ct mfd rupture vendetta

shiv

maybe shiv earlier but uh

[spice spire]

Mine was far more worse to say the same

[subtle tundra]

honestly is small thing ig

🤓

[spice spire]

It also differs heavily based on what kind of pull is going on

The generic pull, yours works completely

[subtle tundra]

he asked aoe

i gave aoe

but it should honestly be

garet garet garet sbs ct

[west karma]

thanks guys!

[spice spire]

Realest mf I know

[nimble tartan]

garrote 1 garrote 2 garrote 3

[sour citrus]

Gents, when can we swap out our 291s legendary and unity gear? When dragon flight comes?

[balmy condor]

probably once you get to the new zones

where they're disabled

[weak plover]

How does our tier and lego work without Vendetta...?

[balmy condor]

probably won't

[timid cloud]

What’s the new one called?